THE G W D 3 l l R Y OF TEE COUlWE maus

aam OF ~ ~ o r n m

MImH mmom P O W K I ,

*ursaagb Harch 24, 1977

BSP'EkRWCES :

mGm !J. m s c ' w *

P e p t y nimtrict Attorney of the Caunty of baa 35ngePs3,

~epmsenkiligi the C l Z f iea of the D i ~ ~ d c t A t W m q .

GARY C O W S , duly a~;aa.inted aad m m ae the

~ E g i c L a l shozthmnd repartsr of khc LOR Mgelea mwty

t%X& Jury.

~ ~ ' 1 1 : mws, mR MO. 1433 Official Pegsrttx

Wm GWlSOt: I h a w na Z ~ t b e ~ grsestiahs.

531s FOREHM: P would like ks cautiam you nok ta dfasuss

BL impart a% any t h o , a ~ t a S & af t h i s grand jury room, the

q ~ e ~ k i . ~ n 5 that haws hen asked BP yap in regard kw t h i s

matter, st your anS*rsr uhtil authorized by khis grand juicy

or %he e o u t to disclass QE h p u t such matters. Yon will!

mdersdtand ma+ a wiolati%n O f the88 immebionlp .ma your

paxt may be me baais fmr a charge apsrimat you OF mr-k sf

court ; do you mderstand that7

THE W I m S s : X u , sir,

THE Po-: Thank you very much. You are examd,

TNE WITHESS : May 1 go back t o the palice department7

THE F O I E ~ : f s &is wimess net wing ks he recalled?

MR. GKIHSt3N; mrat is mrrect-

; YOU are excused.

HR. GUFTEiON: Sammkha Gaiby.

THE S E R G E A l I T - A T - ~ G : Csbm& in and f a c t kha E Q Z ~ U *

pleama.

I) S W T F W YAM2 W L H ,

ca l l ed as a wLtPlea~ befarc %Re LOB A P I g e L e s County Grand Yury.

THE PORENhN: Misb Gaiky+ m u l d you T&.B@ YO- right

h a d # pLease.

You do aolemky m e o r that k h w ev%&nce you sha l l

give &a this mebttex rr%w pendhg befare tlie grmd jury 02 the

Counky wf LQs hg82es &all; be the truth, rht whole itrukh, and

n43&ing but ~ZUEI-L, BQ help p u eoa;r

ZWE WITMESS: Y E h .

0 : Thank yemu- Please be ssaed-

Btabe y o u full marsran m d epaiak directly Lntg me mierephone %a every~aie a m hear please.

TFZ WTTHESS: How? Samantha Jane GaiLey.

Q Sammtha Q d l e haw old a r e you9

h 13.

'D You r e ~ i d e w i t h your moEheb m i y e w sisser at a

rcsi8emce in W d l a m d H i l l s ?

Ik Yeah.

@ Would p u please anawes yes or no.

R. Yes.

B Zooking ab t h b exhibit ma. 1, Ba y m xeecqaize

khe person &pf c-d im that phQbgragh?

iR H e a h , that ' a laman PsePmski.

f8 BAd M r . F0,rn~k.k at any a e %dlSeate ta wla

that ho warf~hed tm phatlcvg~aph yoh7

i!. Yes*

4 And whaa was that7

b On a s 13kh of February.

!J What did he g a y ta y m khark indlca-d to y m he

had atr Larkerest fn p h ~ t e q r w h i ~ g yea?

a He s~~ = a V7slgw Magazine that he had dme a$

he s a i d , mWau3a you like me +a t a m ycmr

I mt8 "X'es. C

a You ~ a w s r e d "Yes"?

fh rn-hdl.

'@ Would ymi pPe&se answer yas ox no,

k Yes

I0 'CHI F ~ ~ Z I I . ~ 2 0 t h did you go ~ 5 t h m. Polumbki to

Znmw Ihira. "take p%&u.rt&s of you7

A. Yes-

Q Q B ~ you met him I n your residence on that day

before feaviw?

A Y e s .

B h d what h a'@pe~edT

h Ee earn ha, pieked auk s o w ~lothe3 a d WE jldsk

went: up La h i l l .

!%- m a t 010ehes B i d Re pLcR 8mkP

a H ~sas m;lr%.nq a pair 0% blue j ~ m s md he hxztok ;e

white ahirk am3 a gakehm.rk IBl~uare.

P id you drive somewhere w1t.h Hr. Pcilmski3

A Jbst &Out a b b c k up W, the and af bw street .

'J At: m y kime d i d M r . Polanski indicate kg you

the t ype sf phstagra@@ chat he wtbhsd .to take oE you?

JL HQ r

W Mker getting 8ue a f the f a r what d&d you go7

R.. we climbed up to t h e top of the h i l l .

Q What happened men?

dl W e weren't exactly at the top, buk be taok ~erpe

pictures halfway up. Ark& then wle j us t -- we took more,

an%%hez n;wm x e l l s .

P mat dm' you mean by *We tmoR moran7

k. t o r e g: posed for t&m.

Q %red Hr, Bohri&l Rave a c w e r a Srr his hands

a yeahm

CI. Did you pome Fer him?

A Ilefl ,

P. Did p u pose a t hi^ d l ~ ~ c t d a n ?

ik. Xe3 rn

Q mat were the d i r ~ e k i o n n he gave ym in w i n g ?

h* f i h . g a LikeF you hum, "Sit t h i a way," and, yea

know, "Put an t h i s s h i r t and &mlt smiLeSn ji.m knew.

P Did y m chmge shir ts?

A, Yes*

D Where did you chanqe?

h . On the IRblL.

c$ Was t h a t iB v i e w of M r . P o l m a k i S

A YBS.

P mat happat%rad, af%er you chaz~ged shirtsp

A Me cllmbelt up farkher on .&he &ill.

P What kapgmsd then7

b we to* sms picturee by t h i m t r e e .

Q Rpp~oxinaataly hou many pictur&s 895 yau take then3

k I think ha &waged h i s eame!xa f ib befare w e vent

UP gark%%rr b@f0~1@ vt tO that ~ X E E ,

Q $0 you khhk t h a t he shot pas% of kw m L l s P

b HE B ~ Q % t- w h d s E O ~ ~ B .

Q ~t any t i m e d i d you pea* w i L t h a ~ t a, top?

L Yes.

@ A t that t i m e . were y a wemihg a bra?

A. ww*

0 Se yau werm $a%& Erm %Am w a h t up?

JL Yes. I 0 Was that m t h&s mquest. or dab YOU vo1mteer to

do that7

L 'That was a* h i s reqaask.

0 What did Mx, Polanski say w i t h mrs~c t to p o s h $

without anything BA your tap?

L PIe sa id , "Fiere, take off yaw t q new. "

kad Z thought they were farp you h a w , the shots

rbef you got ss you banr% have amykhPrig on your mhauLders.

B so what 'did y m de'?

1A E temk off my shirk- 1 w a s ~~ tmd img close W a

thf2 8 m 0 -@ern

Q When you rakumed h a m , d i d yea ~ E I E mkher

that ha had kdcea gkatograpke sf you w i t h o u t a $ap?

3L Emm

I@ What waa ths reason that p a dl6 not tell ymr

mtharir

L

going to say % d,onmlt w m t to get any mrc pickwas taken again.

GI- Whom were you going ko t e l l that tap

A- ~y mom.

@ Did mc I?mlmak$ rekurn. mather day?

k Hcah.

B was mat Wch IOtk?

A Ye8 i

a Was &a& to have 5 c m ~ mare photographs taken of

I Yw A Y a 8 .

P. zmd kkak -3 by B. 901iunsk61

A. Yes.

'0 ~ o k i n g at exhcbit m . 10, 18 slides P;PIE~S@

appear to bt sans m f t h e slides mat &, F ~ L a m s k i took of y6u

em the 20th o f F b b k - U q ?

.k Yes. Thig i s not a11 6% them th061$hr 'This was

fu lL be f ore . P. KIW yeu seen that box before?

h yes, X % af4rrmt have afa; en A t theu*. z r warn tl

B i f f areat Box+

man you aay "this ," are you referring to a label

ldentWying Lk?

& Yeah , uh-huh. But this was full ij~fore when a:

saw them,

B Sa Al: had appro-kely 36 skitlea 6k in?

h I gue~s, yes,

0 Did you look at a l l 36 of them at one time?

L %a#.

0 When wae that%

A. That wag in khe car om 'khe way kn get my pictmes

t&en ~ q a i m .

P. L a 0 k . i ~ a t exhibit No. 1L eonkaidng tm greaP

rh@etar QR* w i k h thrtc ex pee^^^^ mertrer r i Z h 35 exWswelBfi

da khose appear to be poses t h a t you mde for Mr. ~ePar%ski

om the 20k.h sf February en ME hi11 b & h B yo= residence?

sl Yeah t a e s e are the pictwe5-

0 Ham? you aecn k b s e before today?

A, Y e s s X saw the ~ $ i d s s or them.

B Have p u ever s e a the proof sheets befare tdayir

a NO . Il Wh.en Mr. Palamski came on kRe 10th of 1977

to yauk eeaidanm, h a 5 % arsythihg, d i d he say ts gw?

A Ere Ma$ ~ P L B rush. IT#! & i h a k -- I@ What do you mean he was i n a rush7

II. a= ''Let's go. A 1 1 the l i g h t i s going to

go dawn. Burr- up. Get your c l O t k ~ S . '

Wad H was g0511g t& say to h h r " C a mp Ergend came

slang, '' but I B i b " beeawe he was rushlng me-

Q Amd as did yau learn w i t h &. ~aXanaki?

IL' Yee . D Did he ind&eate t o you whelca hc was going to go?

A He uafd to hia Friendqa hsusa.

P Did he say his Erlena" ram&?

A *

a Did he indieake you w h m s r n h k s tZLaC fr iend

f ived?

31, Hot to me.

B id you go klo some hause?

L Yes - rn you k m apprsxhakely wh'ere that Rwss was?

a P eoukl f i ~ t l kt . Zt i s on the same ~ a a d 9s

z e ~ k w8&alssn s house, 1 us% up Exether.

@ .kt m y tima dda he imlicake to you who l i v e d a*

thae rcsldence7

A g ekhk ha toEd we thc person's mame when we gsk

there. Re introduced me to him. I d6n't ~mmember aoargh.

Q em many pecple were ak that residence7

L mere was .three guys and t w o g i r l s .

Q D5d m, PoLsnskS tmke p5ctmes sf afz *at

res%&ne%3

L Yes.

B, ?dha: wEitia you~eabarlng at %he time thak t h e s e

phatographa were t e e n 95 y m at the ffirst residence?

E- k whibz- baame a d a pa* o f j ~ m d .

P Is that whit 'e blouse and paAr of jeans acmething

that y a had worn F e b n a q the TOith?

L No.

P This vaa ~ m e t h h g diff ereht?

k YbS.

0 Mhen ymu r e n t an Has& LO&, what oneken: elokh~les

did ynu,take other khan the w h i m tap snd the jeans7

L T t o m a T-shirk and a mgbg shirt m d 1 t h i a f f

a~a%.Rw whits -- ye* , arsw*er w h i t e shirt*

0 When y w L e f t on Much 10th. what were you m a i n g i

CL I was w e a r i n g my j e a a and I: dontt rernmaber what

top I on*

R We- PU warimg a bra9

Ib m.

0 you WmfElg p34C3~87

R Xes.

'9 Do you ~ ~ * ~ ~ P what c;slssr khosc wre?

k KLmI of m s k or c o p p a .

mokbng at P~ogle'rs exh&ie 4 .far kdarr t i i l r~at ian~

does m 5 a a m e m to be the pantims k h k you mere wearhg?

b ebtEIhrr ye%. . I(b! l.oek5mg &rt axbtbift NO. 5 , a dress, have yeu seen

ithis dress before?

R. T was wearin9 it 3aber m.

0 Excuse me. Exhibit 3 .

ik. T~s, that's the Cress.

0 Wms this axess also mkew from your residenee on

the 110th of March?

A +en.

a B f 6 Hz. F~gansrki select c h t h e a that yeu to0kP

L Yes.

B Wns the dregs one of the item6 t h a t he seLected

kt3 take=?

A Yea,

0 H w %amg wera you aft this residanat zak5.ng.

phertog~&phs7

L we were mEre about h,bWf, r th ink .

0 Was there a comv~aakim between p u mid

Mr. PaLanski abauc going ta amather maUence?

A men &a l ighk gat Emo 8fm hs enid, w E " m garns ta

c&LL up aaek WieAo3son aprd see $f we can go down tmo h i s hau.semu

0 DL& you s e ~ mz, PolmekP make a toi8olphma ,calL?

L Yea; *

Q ~ i t j you ,6wrhear xr. PoLanaki talkin$ %he

telephone7

IL Y e 8 *

@ ysu: you overhear8 him ap@&hC!

om the tcL~phans7

RL I was gkanding about fiw feet a w q ffm

hooking at s m pa-inkinga.

'0 Was that 5n khe a m P-7

A Peg.

B What did you hear Nr, Polendt i say?

i% I wasn't reel%gl. P i a t e m i r a g , but he maid a m d ~ h ' k g

to tho e f h c t of, "€2- 9 ~arw a m and take some: p.ietures~*

$md hmg up md we le$k

@ WpprexAmab Ly hew fax did you drLve?

L We drwe far about 9%- dnutes.

!J Was i n I&s h g e h s Eauty?

- L "P&s T khhk 1 d m 't k n ~ .

0 Do you ikmw %1.ppraxhewly wh@k area it was?

B Ma.

Q Da you, hw ?9m mame af the atreek?

k No. o h w i t mfialSmd,

0 D M y w k m w the a4dressT

L No,

rlk After: b e h g at the f i re* residenm, pau

a %&~mt!i r,egiafiap?

a Ye6

D Dia m. p a l m k i Say anything &aut the r e ~ i d e n c a

men he d~~ up?

L Say m y t h b i g *Out

Q Yes.

k just that khis is ~imm Polanski's -- 1 man,

this is Jack wleholscra' s hause.

h a be pzescaea me buttom nmd sme8ne gwe , "'bs

t h i s RWU?"

h d he went, Y e Rnd the gate opeme$.

P When ycru a a f i someone sa$B, "Ze k h i e R m a m , " dkd

y m see m y passons axsmd a t khat the?

R No, it was through the ~ R ~ ~ X C O R I .

Q When t h e gate ~ B W ~ C & up what happelted7

k He drove in m d are drew $sm t h i r tha Rouee.

9 Did you see any permmg w % t h i n .khe yard when you

were BsAvfng to the haucc?

L ?fa&, a woman wit tk b1& ha& and she had tare dogs

@ no you know w h tbat woman is?

K No.

5! B i d you sea t h a t mmas at a Laear time2

31 She mnf: $a the h m a ~ w i t h us for abaak

YS d n u t e a , but not thwk,

Q When Kr. ~olansk i . p~erkcd the car, yon got w=k nf

the c a ?

db re!%*

HE paat on the lenses and stuff.

9. Befare doing t h a t , d3.d you harp~ a eomversati~n

w i t h Hx. BolmnskL and e&fs woman that ywl m e t there?

A. NO. hey were taUdng. I w a s jlust s i t t i n g there

1oakfkiq ~~~. P where diB, this ~mnveri6aPion take p l ~ m e ~ ?

A rn the Z%dag ram r9ght by the patio doers.

Q. m a t was elm cmv@raakLon at that t h i b

A* may were ta&Ln$ .%boaak the EBB^ t h e he had

etayea at Jack w i c h ~ l s s n % house, md that she W&S fi~ing UP

a sown for tho next ti- he IS- t o stay f a a rhiZe.

@ A* m y k i m did Hr, Pcalanski offer you smekhieng

t o ,*h?k?

A Yam. T t h h k I #aid % WBB khlamky. h d he went

%h t h e kitcbere chin ~elriqerakar, 5t was f u l l of juice

md w i n e and soda end all this s t u f f . &id he got wt +- he

get 4 k t t l o ckmpiamc. And ha sa id# 'ShauId E open it?*

a d I Wnkr *I dam't earenn you k ~ w .

h d @O he w k d the woman if if wae all r$ght ma3

she bid it as*$.

Q so did he m a $Be bottle of &-awe3

a Y e s .

a @a y ~ u kmw what k i d sf &ampam i k was3

BL It wag 1941 amkhiag .

D h a ~ m e d &f-r he apexled the boktEe sf

e k m p a q n ~ ?

A Be Pnpea *ee y l ~ s c a , one for earn 0~

0 Did b* p a l m s k i 8rhk has glas6 of

R. Yes.

P E X C U ~ ~ I h i s &mpagne?

k Yea.

Q B5d me 1- WBB was also p ~ e s e n t dri& m y

champagne7

A She drank about half of her glaera.

Q Did s u drink any chmpagnm7

A Yes.

0 W m mu& d i d p u drink?

A I danqt t m . I h d been. f h i s h h g my glass and

I w a s asdng it to p s e %n the gEeZmrea w i t h . So I hare ma

i d e a haw much I &mk.

Q Ba &fter yau had %he drink sf champagne, p wfint .

and to& pickwes?

R. Y E S *

a Whereahants dZd pm go to, + t e e gpLct'laaes?

sl TO the mmer of the pat-$^ by the pmal.

9 !?a8 k h b in s ide O Y ~ B M ~ ~

?L ~ i a t s i d e .

0 Whet =re p wwar ing at the % h e that you ixcsLved

at the Rfchelam reaidonce7

A' The same blmse S wore: for the pickweb.

'J Is what wu w ~ l r e wafhg when yau wen% Mt

te the part is to k&ea the p L & ~ e & ?

R. Ye#.

fa you ha$ ROB, ehmgea at that t h e 7

A Ha e

@ Did Mx. ~ t 3 l E m s k i take pf ctaxaa?

W. Yes +

*B A* t h a t time did ymu have s glass An your ham47

k Ham

B ~ 1 1 , .ty- of pose@ he r , o y ~ s t 05 your

P I my9

L Be didn't rw#s% my. T was j u s t s f d i n g there,

0 D i i l p u see the &a* thak wa= there when p a

fPrst arr iwd?

R Yes a

Q Was she a a t watching Mz, PaLMski take the

p i et ures?

k No, 8he Add left. She l e f t just as he ~ t a t t ~ d

taking p s i c t w ~ s .

e m p ~ 1 , ~ Z L W e ~ r ~ she went?

h TO work..

I0 E m 66 y9U ~ M w that?

L a She s a i d that ~Sme had to wrk, you h a w , and l e f t .

@ TQ PUT knmledge, we~c thwe persona

ak the H&eholsm reeidence af ter ehe Beft?

A NO, . D After tskf ng pickurea h the p a t h m a , what

happened?

4+ Bae wen$ Inside iewd he s tartad playing $is

c m a a sgakn. L kAi& ha changed lerrsea car s e m ~ t h h g .

then t o o k nmre pP&u.tes ~ i g h t h ~ h 3 e the g s t i ~ d ~ a .

10 Was that rsealng a m e ~ u t d i t t ha t yon hW OR

when you arrivd, the blue ~ E B A ~ and tha blauacT

k HO .

i3 Pardon m?

ge ma.

P Rud ~ P P changed? %

~l N O x didti' t have a ~ h f rt on x was akanding

behind a $amp,

0 D i d y m take pw m6rk off or did m. P O B ~ ~ A ~ ?

w Hop X did.

!3 Weas t h a t at his requast or did you valwrwrr to

dcs that7

h That was n& hf s request,

@ n i a ym pose - a ~ e s ,

Q -- at t h a t t b m 7

TC Xcs +

!3 Did hc alseek yma fb any poses at t h a t t s w ? ?k Ires.

' a m f8hia.f: did he ~ B A abs if anything?

R. We was saying t h i n g s l i k e , nRold Che c h q q n e

glass t h i a way. t h i s way."

Q M t s r taking !zha&e phetmgraph~, what happened1

k Be went to s h w snc this jamtzzf ghat Jaek

WieAaf e a ~ has,

Q Where is *he j a ~ u z z i laeated?

R Orsks5& the %iat)lrarsm &mr.

B LoakEng at exhihit 12, d ~ s thbs appear to k M e

j&.euzzi that Mr. P ~ A m a k i showed you at -&a a5chola~m

residence ?

R Yea.

0 *at happenad af-xl he showed you khe jaeuxzi?

A. 8e said. "1 wamt to take erne p%cIt:ues of p u

Ln this."

9 fm &at?

L the jacuzz i . He wanted tO take s a p$ckur~z

s f m3 in l l t .

IQ D$& you h a w graanr top off at that t h e 7

k, 0 , 3 had put it back m*

0 ad yau ehmged ~ l a t h s ?

A Y e s . I had :hanged Anto blue dresb.

@ A t what paink B i d you &range ink0 the blue Zhess?

A Right after he was dane taking my pietmres by

t h e lamp.

Q memz aid yau .change h t ~ tke ~ I W dre8a7

A I think in l iving E m .

'D WRwe was WT. P ~ P ~ E I ~ I *an y ~ u &assgeB, i n t o the

bXm daxss7

a I %I mnok s u e . Z th ink he w a l k & h me ather rsaa

to d6 a m t h i n g .

fi So you went auk to t h e jacuzzi in your drese?

RL YGIa - IBb P5a y w haw any p h t u r ~ s taken of you a t that

khm?7

A, RAqht befaze we wens out ts eae tlac Sacuzzi hm ha4

taken a E'er pbeturea i n ma kdtxhan,

a Was %hat dth the dregs on?

L Yes.

0 S u when you wenk mt *,o the jawz8.i yeu bad en

the B l w dlss~s;?

A. Yes - a m a t h a p p ~ ~ d stat; there after he i d i e a k e & he

wished -ko k&m pietuzeS of YBu k-he ~ B W Z Z ~ ?

&. went ins ide and called my mother.

IB m n yn~u aay "we csLkd ," 'Bid yeu call! a r dgd

M r . Polamski ea3.17

& ~e cola me t a a d I talked and them he talked a d

then 1 talked again.

D What $dd you b e l l ymr m t h ~ r ?

k She WE, " M e ylou a11 right?"

T w m t n ''Wt~-hu.h~~

And ehe ~ a y ~ ~ I'ne yoas w a n t are to m e pick you up?

Am$. X writ, " ~ 0 . ' "

h a he said that we'd Be home kim3 of hat#@

IsaCm.IEE? i e had &heady go%keh bark arat,

D 'When yon assd '"he se id," $id he t e l l yau o r did

ycm hear R i m te l l youz meCher em me phmeT

R, Re tola my ~ I I M R ~ .

@ D i d he t e l l your m t h e r arty ather &himpar?

R N o t t h a t 3 was listening to.

0 Ute. tabkhg to y w u mthar an teleph~ne,

what happened?

A We w n $ auk md I at i r r a s jacuzzi,

a 50 pan went outsftie -- k No. w a l t . We vent i n t o the baChroa before and I

he took k h k s l i t t le ytallm -bag. X don't khow w h a t k t was.

It w a s earn k5nd of eghtafmr. h a be Aed -- be rsaaked AY%

&efclx= me. ma g walked An, he had khe container. h d he

baa a p i l l Bsakn imka three perks.

.and h~ aaid, "Ts khia a quaa%de7*

ma I oren*, "ma. k

wsrd he bays, %A, do you kh5rk 1 Pr-16111 be a l e to

&$,w if I gdka %t3 '

.And Z w m t , "P don't know," you k n w .

ac 3 4 y S r "Wellp shmld % ~ E & C it?'

T went. *I don't kapm. m

He ~ O B S P mWelI, f guess X ill^'' ma he tleok it.

A d he says, 90 you %?ant pal%?' a d X wmt* nPTor

And he nays -- ohs at that Lam E -rat. YXay, da

because -- JI daz t know.

B my B S ~ YOU t e e sea

R. a: a m ' I: kmr. X *ink T must hawe been pretty

am& or else2 I m u l h ' t have*

@ . Befare ycw took khe .par+ of the tztkmlert, beid p u

Raa me* chasrpagne than you have testiftd to7

3~ I %old yam 1 d;tchqt ikm hm-8 mch beauae Z was

WLnkiag s m of h i s , too. m jmt Repe -- X jnst keg&

d r h k f n g I t for picture6 and, ytm h o w .

@ ma poses t h a t yam made wrc w i t b the champagne

glass fn your hand?

IB Yes,

0 m d was there chmpag~e in the glass when your

picture wes taken?

Ai. zss . @ While the pieurces weme being takenr were ybil~

dri l lkhg c h m p a ~ ~ P

A. Y e s .

~ ~ B k f n g a t exh!ibi% No. 7 , doea *art, appear ta be

me f e r n that Mr. ~ o l a m s k i prdutied a p i l l frm?

k. NO.

ip Would you please 8escrdk.e khak again.

A. rt waa ahaped like a rectangll~e. 1t wars &out:

one inch by maybe two bchea. ZZ was yellow and i k was clear,

A& it h o k e d LLke it was made especially for k e e p h g magthim

5nr but X di&i ipt "knsr~ w Y I B ~ .

0 What. tU.8 yma BEE m. P s h a a k i da w k t h t h a t

cenkaimr9

A X , B b a ' t kmw. Re hnd At sn the emnter when I

e m in, &id 1 t h h k I t u n e d aromd ssmekhlng gr waned

away or sornatkhp and I didn' t really netice whak Re &ia w i t h

it a f t e r t h ~ k .

0 Could you see whether it emkained other t & h t s S

A It wae empky.

18 h n p a saw 5t was -ty, ~ a a that hiefore w

after he s h m d you the W l e t T

A X I wera empty. A l l i k had in it w a s the qlumldet

and he paurei3 i k m e so it aadni t have a n ~ t h i n g lslrrsl Jn it.

a m a n he asked you if i t was a qyaalnclm you

mewe~ed "Yea*?

W. Yes.

0 #ad you seen quaaludea b ~ ~ f ~ j r e then?

a yes,

m *at crce?a.mlmib

A 1 h- ; p i ~ t ~ @ ~ of t h a and they'~e %he

shirts, and once X fou~d mQI-

B HW oEd w ~ h e you then?

a I was, T kh%nk, 11 or 10. 1% not auc,

P: mat d i d you da with them?

?L I broke 3h aria E took part 0% it.

Q making at o x h i b i t No. 6 marked for ide~tbfAcationa

Ls that sidlar ko khc tablet *at Mr. Palmski p~duced?

A Y e s

B mat di& that say on i t?

F- That one or the 6ne M r . Polanski had?

0 Badan3

L That: one or the one Hzr BoPanski hat32

Q The nag: Mr. ~ ~ k i -- b It aaid W O E ~ ~ 714.

a P ~ ~ O A T

k R~rer 7x4.

Q Yau k n e w k h a t to ha a quaalude?

.k xos.

P Wag that mom s o l i d qunalude t & l e t or &at?

IL T t was abeady broken. 9tk larrked l i k e it m s a

whole an&. T h i c k msee p$eces paf ko m a k e the whole one.

il D i d Mr. Palamski take part o f erne?

B Yes.

Q What B i d he do with i t 7

k Eta swallowed it w i t h hi% ~ h m p a p .

B Bid you see dhak he d i d wAkh the othersP

A Ha.

€? bid you take a qaaalude?

a 1 t e a k part bsf it.

@ Warnre did yau get: this park7

L Re gave it to me,

'3 mere ,did he take this quazhlude f a n ?

$s rhe ye l lw cmkaher.

a Haw mum sf the tabzet d%b he g l w you?

A Et was a i s t k l e Pess than half.

a EOW bfd yals take t h a t t&LeeT

a % kook l k w i t h a ~walllm of shampagas,

€$ Mhat happened after yolr tack t h e tablet?

k I vent ink0 the Jeikch~n, and 1 d m ' t h w why, but

I khmght. if L ate -- I esalbzed 1 was drinktng an& then IE:

task that. Apld I %hen esaLLy got upset ak myself so 9 sitart,ca

aaeing.

'B Where did p a E A d EhatS

Is Et was i n the kitehen on ra disk . Be was c&anghi~g

film g r s m t h l n g h mother z0nml

Q Xnaking at exbibSt 9 4 , pltr~tograph~; do those

appear t o be the poses t h a t y m made be%ore Mr. PaLmskS. ma

his cars when you ha8 oh the $1- dress?

A Ye&# these are the ones.

B Aftex eat ing in the kitchen, what 82d yoan do?

L Ha calZed my name m d 1 went a t and got in the

j a ~ u z z i -

10 %'ha p a r gat h the jamax.&* Mhat were you wear ing

k I w a s going to m a r my m d e m e a ~ , but he said for

E - take! *em of E-

0 you came oat a i a s hmse 5nto the area BE

t h e pool , what were y m masing?

8. I had an my mdemrear.

0 rnen you ~ a y y~lllg ~ ~ ~ r w ~ ~ , are YOU referrin9 to

p a t % e c masked axkLb5t 5 P

A YES.

0 ~ , e u a e m, taxhikdt Mb. 4. k e these panties khak

~ Q U p:ev.ious~y iaakifiaa?

JL Has-

a- What k h $La p u t&@ off yo= d z m e s l

L I: to& ik off 5-n %he batkpmra right befare I m n k

out to gct i n t h ~ jaemzzi-

@ eRzy df d you take sff yasur dresa7

k Because f Qi&nht w m t t a get i n the ~ ~ C Y Z Z ~ .in it.

I: just f i g w ~ d X will take it aff ta gat in.

Q m a YOU t e e aef yew pa ti^^?

W. No.

D Bid you g e t inko the f a ~ z z i w b c h y ~ u r pm.ytti~a

on7

CS, m.

P *#@a you kobk thm off at s m e a t-7

A. reah.

B When d id you take mern off?

A + had gene WU~A~B. T wag ready to get Sq end

he Said5 fT&e 0Ef Y 0 W ~ z W B ~ E .

Sa 1 did and then I get in.

P mat happaned w h e n ysll ga t fn khm jacurz%P

.k - Be Eocrk s m r ~ p5ekwma.

0 ~t that .&$me d i d you have a glass .in your hrad4

Bk yes.

&F Waa mezm chmpagm i n the glass7

k YES.

Q 8fa ywa aPiPSe some of the champagne w h i l e you were

f e the jacuzzk?

3e I d&npk ePrfnk so,

!2 ao you know appr=hate lg h w many gf~tures

Mr. Polanski t w k when y m weire h the j a m z z i ?

W wstt m z y m a y .

B DM Ac indicate to p 4 n hm+ you shou%& pa$* hem

he WBLB k a k h g them pieturea?

iF* HO.

Q WhaZ did you aQ1 when you ware in khe j a e u z z i 7

R Z wzu ju6t skmding .them $omking at him. 8e mky

took a few pictures. A@ aaid kh~re w m m % menugh l i gh t .

@ At aom ti= did he stop taking ph~teqrapho of

you in the $amzal?

A Yss.

D Wiat Bid he! $0 after thaw

A He s a i d that he was p i m q to get dk.

Q mat dia you pee b h do?

B Be vent in t h e Bakhrom and he c m e at: and 'got

in.

0 Whim he cw ~ u k was Re wea5ng any$kLag%

A We.

9 Beflerre be weat in was he wma.r&bg a~ythin-37

A Tee.

a Wh4k W 8 8 RC ~8mbngib

A H i a normel clothed.

Q you ~cmember what: h w a s w n l ~ h g ?

W. W p a i t of tam pmks ma stme Rind, of sweater.

P What aft2 b k . PoPmbtki do wheh. he g a t Antfa the

gaeuixzf?

R Be qot i n m d ha weat d m t o the deepest pare;

af it.

Q Whaf Bid pm dgil

a 31s goea, me t h m here,"

mid 5 saga, *go. Hop "d got to get out ."

b d he gaas, hHe8 dmm her@-"

h a then I ssld & e a t X had s a t h a m d mat. I

conl&~'k -- 1 had to wk out because of llhe w a r m air and the

eoPd a% or mmet.hEwg Bike k h k .

And he g a d , 'Just caae BOWD b e a uscQna. b

So I bbalEy writ dwn. n h n -- there

was a l o t of the jacuzzi j e tg , Fib ~ Q B S , "Dee@nlf A$

baett~r dmm %Lez-ePm

Arid hc wan like helding me up becauaa i t is

a h s t over my bed. X went, "Yeah, h z 5 better get out. I

so E qot out, 1 i3 mein yau my th8-t he was. holding your Am was he

laeLdkng you3

k EB. had his h d s on my e % 8 % ~ l i k e r6qht around

here mi3 he waa --

j u s t wt: out.

Q DL4 y m !have asthma?

R W o .

B E a v ~ you ever had asthma7

A. Horn

Q Why B i d you t e l l h b yaa had wa-a?

k Because X wanted to #get mu*.

P Dira ym qet out c r i the jacuzzi?

A. y,12 8 . Q Ma.t. ,did y m do whea y m got out of the jam,zzS7

1

A E got out sib, T. put rn a towel..

Q '%.ar,e did gnu get the kgurglEP

A. It was laying ou.tsidre. i D what dig you do when y e u q e t t h towel.?

h Mhat?

@ Whaf d2.A you when you g ~ t t h e . t-17

k 1 gab the tawel. x j u s t picked it up and plat St

an. Be went in the large pool then+

'D Ia kbre a pool is ad8f~ t i~ra ta kha j&czurz3 as

% h w n i n m x h i b i ~ W0. 121

II, Ye8 *

Q ma* happened then7

L Ee goes -- a: walked aver and he gom, "Get &=I

bere " Wid I "Ha, it's ekay. It% to@ celd. '"

mi3 Re says. "Ns, it's warm."

wnd P put my foot 2x1 ,- '-4 H wznk, I * W O ~ f dm'* ~p-k t~ 9 i n d m

M d he gees;, "Mar get in*''

So Z a w e 5n ane end and jvsg mm me whol~ w a y

dawn through amdl j u s t gat gut t h e ethr e d .

Q what B i d you do &en?

k E went imta the b ~ k h r a m and 8 t ~ ~ d k y h g of f -

0 id ye4y see m. Pos%anaki then?

k he c e IR~Q t h e bathroom.

'@ What happenes at that t h 9

L He eake& me &f l was A I L zight, if my a s W a was

baarn

'B dia yeu say?

A I said that. r wamted t o po hame hemuse I needed

to tdte my mediehe.

Q WPsak did Hx. ~olmdclci may7

k. Re said, 'xe&+ 1 ~ 1 z t&iz y m home soom,'

0 What did y a w do7

A 1 told h h -- I saiB mat I ranlzed b mt -- r wans.ed to ga b m ~ .

I eafd, T have to go horn nw."

Q Whet did Mr. ~ o l z m a k i aayS

RL He told m e t& $6 in khe a t h r rera an8 li'e b m ,

a When be eaM win kha o k h r roomsM wzm theam an

a d j e h h g rglm ta b&thxlom?

A Ha. it vaa at the end sf the h a l l . Be weat

outsid% the bakhroaaq- x t waa $$.ght a L9w beet away.

0 What kdnd emf saeim i a that?

A Emm n M sure. Thereha me lilghts an 14 A t l And it

lcmkad %$ke a, m a s t e r bedreem. 3t had a Bed md a sou& and a

w.

Q mat did you do when k said, wXRC's g m %R the

because E w a s afraid. So E just weat md H: sat d m on khe

c o ~ e h ,

a What m x e you afraid, of?

a ~5.m.

@ And so p u went in the ~ t h e r r m m and sat d a m

m n the FW&?

3~ yes.

Cb What w e r e you warifig at mat k b c P

L Ky ~rzrs$erwear a towel,

D Ak as- time bad you gut on your pauths?

h . ~ e s , 9: aia fleat ri+t away men r gat i ~ l t o me

bathrom.

'B Whak happened when you sat d m om the c ~ & Y

k He =a+ d m hesZ4e me! snd k a k d me $f I r a a okay.

B What d i d yau say, %£ imytkiac~?

k. X saed, *No. rn

P m t aid say?

But X; was kind of afraid of him hscause there was

me else there-

@ Mts r he f ia8a-3 y~ra did be say mything?

L NO,.

a DM ycm say ztnythfnga

k No, beside5 I was just geingd 'RWo. CORk9 an#

Letus p h m m m m

Q WlaF was aaid aft@r you hdfcated that you v m t d

to go horns when you were s i t t i n g on the: coach?

A Re said, n I . " P E take you home smppl. rn

D ~ A e n whae happened?

IL h d then, he went 8- mil he started p e r i ~ ~ m i n g

ddlinemm.

0 Whak dgea khae m & m J

k ge m a n s he w w t d m m m e ar h , ~ pka-B R5s

mukh en nry v q i a a .

a Where WE yaw when he did that?

R. Was ~$t:aplg mar the couch.

Q A t my kimg d i d he eey anythhg Before he put

h i e mouth en paw vagfna?

Fh Ma.

B Whak 8i.d he do when h~ placed his mutb on your

tiagina?

W. HE m s jusit 1 i ckh9 ma I dm* h a w . a

was reBBy # cry. Z was kind a i -- I wab whg, "Era. Came

a. Stop it." B u t a naar afraid.

B h d what a i d he say, if anythSng?

L Eta wasn't mayirsg anything that I cam remmbe~-

Q A t t h i s l , kdnne -what was yaur @take af s ~ b k i e t y ,

i d you k w ?

, k what' s that m e a n ?

P Eave you ever been under the ih f lue~ee of quaaludes

and alcohbl before March ths lO%h?

9 Y e af t h i s year.

W Yea.

!J When was khat;?

W. w e t both a t a~ s m e e-.

Q P W Q ~ ; B

A H Q t .bath at the E m timi.

a ht the mame t h e before March 10th were p u irsnaer

the Lnflumce of qaaJu* a d alcohol?

A Ho.

9 D i d yeti feel +ha% you were under the f mf h e n c e on

this day, M m h 10kh7

iL Yes.

P that" when yau were & i t t a n @ an the tau*?

iA Y e s .

B why dm you b e l i e e thak you were undez kha

ihfluener? at that % h 4

SL 1 can baxe9-y r

ID Zs there any 0th- reusmi?

& wo. I wab k h d ef dizzyl you knm, l ike

w i r e and m f $lawry ~ o m e t h e s - 'Z vam having trmhla w i t h my

caord5slzitim like warlkititlg and tuff.

@ am long d5d Mr. PnLmsk% ham h i s muth rn ym

vEigiw?

Ib A f e w minutes.

P. what happened afkex thatT

L ~e s t a t a d 4s hawe intercourse w i t h me.

Q WWik do g w mean by fntercouree?

R Re placed pgnlga in my vagina.

18 latrak d&d ym say, .if mything, b@fam tm did t h a t 3

k I was mstly Spat OB and a f f saying, We, &ap.*

8u-t, II: wasnl.t: f h ~ h t i n g really because? I, you b o w .

there was no ame, else +.here am8 I had no place to go.

P What did k s i f mythihg?

BL, Ee didn t M B ~ T me T sa%d, "No. " 1 t h i n k ; Re was -- he was ssyhg s ~ ~ ~ r but X

va;snMt ZLekenihg to h h and r c m * t remember.

9 Ak thio t b a grow pmti148 ~ g f f

a. yes +

BL H a were you pmt%es taken eEf?

R. Be h d taken them arff . g Whem waa t.hi%fc2

L Mkez he kgssed me he got ahold aL them a d hm

pulzsd them nfg.

9 at any t h e did he aak y m when y o u p r h d va87

h Yes;.

a rn- wag tha t?

A mile be WaS hEi?Fhg %trtt2rcOU~so wi* me.

D wid he s s k you abaprt bdng on the p%Ll?

L Yes.

P When d i d he say that;?

n i%t %he a m t h e .

PL What d i d he +ay?

A. asked, he 'goes1 'Wre ym an m e pill?"

And Z ~ t , %Jo. '' And be gues, "When did you laat hawe yaw perS0d7~

And I said, wI don't kmme & w e o r f 'oa

n&. s u e . 7

@ And what did he @say?

8; Ee gaesp Vtxmiv an. Y80u k m m . t a r&momher,"

h a P -13 h h z a a k E t .

18 D i d he may anything af ter thak7

k Xas. Re geess EHould you w a n t me to $0 h

khmugh your back?"

And X Wht, *wan I'

P Did be say b.~~fiR%nq else?

A No.

Q Bow Pang a i d he have his p%nis in your vagina7

W X can" r m w e r how l a g but not EL w a y long

t i m e .

# Eat3 you h d sexual in$ssrecsurae w i t h mpne befgre

March Loth?

L IliBs.

Q Fapproximtely RW m a y h e s ?

b lWit2.e.

Q 8m d i d y6u know th&k he had his pen.5,~ I n yaw

rmgina?

BL Z soulb t911. I could faeP it.

Q W h a t happened after he says, 'De p u wamt me

to -- " was a t ,go kh~lbough the back?

k,

0 What happened then?

W f think he said aomehing like right a f t e r s said

X: was not on &he p i l l , sfghe befare ha saiddC, "oh, 2 wonit

Inaide a$ you k h , "

And 3 j u a t wenk -- ah13 he goes -- and then he

put me -- wait* Thgn he lifted, up my leg# farther and he

went h u m m q amus.

Q When yw, cay hc w e n t in y a m a u a , you

man by that7

Ib Ks gut U s panfa isi my bukt,

Q DL4 h@ say anything at t h a t t b e ?

IL 1Ms.

@ D i d reer5sk at M a t %%me7

Ik A l i t t l e b i t , but not really because -- (pawe.1

D Beeazrae mat2

Ik B e e m u m a k wbs afraid aE h h *

0 Ak m y t h e d5,d ~ O U b e m e aware that khem was

mother perram sr pereans in the rcsidemce?

8. Y e fighk after that a m a n Bnacked cm the

door md she gaes, "&, arc yau h k h a ? "

Arid he -nt1 8 X: jusk getk wt of k.he jacuzzi

a d X ' m gettfng d ~ e s ~ e d l , ~

P ~k that t im what was hapeming?

A had walkail up t c r the &er %red kIAa of qened

i t up a crack and talkma to her. And I got up m d put an

ary und~maar m d atmted walking tnwart3a the d o a ~ .

D Miat happened then?

A, He @at m back d m again.

W h a t happ,mod then?

A, 'then he s t a r t e d to have intercourse with me again

and them he j u a t seqfpea.

0 Do you haw what a ePmax is?

A Yea,

D Do p u how whether he had a climax?

FE Yes.

P And hw do YOU hew that?

BB%mUse f 420418 kindl of fee1 st and it was dm

rngr mdsxwmar. It raE &n my U ~ ~ L W C ~ L X . X t wma en my Bukt

and s t u f f .

0 When flu may thatC 301.1 bmLLwe khae $18 ~.1haxetA

%n your anus7

A XEEa m

B Whak daea clgmax me-?

L That h i s ~ w n e m m2.

Q Da ~u k m m what $emen %a?

a Yea.

0. D i d you see some semen or f e e l some semen?

A X fel t it.

Q. Whete did you f e e l it?

1C 1 felt it on the back of my behind and i n my

undernear when 1 put them on.

0. When you were i n t h e room and you heard the knock

on the door, did you aay anything a t t h a t t i m e ?

k No. I jus t got up and got my underwear on.

0 Why didn ' t you say something a t that time?

A I was still pre t t y much afraid of him. I didn ' t - even though there was someone else there. I didn't know what

to say.

I had gotten up. I thought t h a t I could just

leave then and go home a d say something, you kncrw, because

he was the only way I had t o get home.

P A t what point did you put on your pantie8 after

he had.placsd his penis i n your anus?

IL That I put them back on?

0. Xes . .. R As soon as he got up t o answer the door.

Q Then at t h a t time what else did you 603

A I j u s t got up and s t a r t ed walking towards the

door.

Q Is that when he took you again?

A tlh-huh.

Q And what happened to the panties a t t h a t the?

A Took t h e m back off .

f& Did you pu t them back on after he had sexual

htercawse w i k h yma fag the ;semmd tail

L Y,%S.

0 When he let YOU upl that dia you do?

A 1 w i k U ~ d i n t o the b&tks~am =dl P put oa rn2 dress,

,co&ed my hair and H w a l k e d -- I sat of was veh&ing a t and

he s a i d , "Rml wait for m e , " but T B P k s t . r went out. 1

gat my clothes and there was =- mat m a n was sittllng there

on t h e phone. And 6 saia hello t o her and X j u s t W ~ F ou*

ma ast i n the em.

&. Leaking a t e x h i b i t No. 2. a b l a & - a n d - u ~ ~

photograph af s f m m a l 9 , ham you seen the peram depicted

An exh ih i t 2 befor t toelay?

3L, Thae w a s the m a n t h a t was them.

Q ma* bL@ the wornem that was QI-A the phone when you

walked o u t to Leave'P

L Yea.

4 mat d9,d say 4xs her?

L She j u s t -- I was -- there'm a d i ~ i d e s kind 09

i m the Living room* R~IcI he haaa m e make a noise mcl ehe

goes, 'Re 1h, "

And f stuck my head ar~umd there and x saLdp

*8&."

&d she maid, " a b ~ p u the girl W & n is t & i ~ g

pictures bf?*

d , aaLd, m T ~ ~ r " a d 1 Bust walked W t to the

ear.

P men p u ~ @ d : p u w ~ e e m&%ng haisesr what t p *

of ~ a i s c s were you 6 a a h 5 q g p gLE any?

k. Jiast pLckhg t%p my clothes amdl gutking. em my

shoes m d khhags.

Q When you walked thrcmgh !%el xoem, did you walk

out 05&?

a. I walked -- X di&'+ ham t m giw outaide t@ get

into &ak 5-. X didn't mksPdc unt i l 1 went to gee l e r

ae: car.

P ma W, ~ ~ a a p t ~ k ~ wrfi YOU *n ~m w-* get i x

t h e car7

1L WO.

Q id you get in t h c ear when .I&. P o l a s k % was rime

a m d ?

k f was a%ating iza the ear and Z was q3.ng. And

ak about give mi4Iufms Later he came out and be goes, "Well,

r ' la be m'k &R El ~ 0 ~ 1 0 0% ~.!IU-B I I VBRf 20 talk k6

mm. ' a d X -t., 'Oh, O k q c n

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