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The Hong Kong Institute of Surveyors ANNOUNCEMENT ALTERNATIVE ROUTES TO MEMBERSHIP The Board of Membership (BOM) of the Hong Kong Institute of Surveyors (HKIS) has proposed an additional “Alternative Route to Membership” (Alternative Route) to HKIS membership at both professional and technical levels. The objective of the Alternative Route is to admit these professional people who meet certain criteria and have gained sufficient surveying professional experience to become HKIS members. Members may refer to the BOM Discussion Paper Alternative Route to Membershipat Appendix I. Having noted that consensus in the proposed Alternative Route was reached after a full year of discussion and consultation with all Divisional and YSG Councils, the General Council at its meeting held on 28 February 2013 endorsed the proposal. The proposed additional Alternative Route requires amendment to the HKIS Bye-Laws prior to being effective. Please refer to the “Proposed Amendments to the Bye-Laws” at Appendix II. The Honorary Secretary and the Secretariat are now working on the necessary procedures for amendments to the concerned Bye-Laws with a view to submitting the Alternative Route proposal to an Extraordinary General Meeting to be held in the latter part of this year. In connection with the publicity of the new route and in order to answer members’ questions, a discussion forum was held on 22 May 2013. Over 50 members attended to offer views and raised questions. A report on the feedback/views collected and response given are summarized at Appendix III. Members will be kept informed of the progress and the EGM in due course. Sr Edward AU Honorary Secretary 3 June 2013

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The Board of Membership (BOM) of the Hong Kong Institute of Surveyors (HKIS) has

proposed an additional “Alternative Route to Membership” (Alternative Route) to HKIS

membership at both professional and technical levels. The objective of the Alternative

Route is to admit these professional people who meet certain criteria and have gained

sufficient surveying professional experience to become HKIS members. Members may

refer to the BOM Discussion Paper “Alternative Route to Membership” at Appendix I.

Having noted that consensus in the proposed Alternative Route was reached after a full

year of discussion and consultation with all Divisional and YSG Councils, the General

Council at its meeting held on 28 February 2013 endorsed the proposal.

The proposed additional Alternative Route requires amendment to the HKIS Bye-Laws prior

to being effective. Please refer to the “Proposed Amendments to the Bye-Laws” at

Appendix II. The Honorary Secretary and the Secretariat are now working on the

necessary procedures for amendments to the concerned Bye-Laws with a view to

submitting the Alternative Route proposal to an Extraordinary General Meeting to be held

in the latter part of this year.

In connection with the publicity of the new route and in order to answer members’ questions,

a discussion forum was held on 22 May 2013. Over 50 members attended to offer views

and raised questions. A report on the feedback/views collected and response given are

summarized at Appendix III.

Members will be kept informed of the progress and the EGM in due course.

Sr Edward AU

Honorary Secretary

3 June 2013

HONG KONG INSTITUTE OF SURVEYORS

BOARD OF MEMBERSHIP 2011-2012

DISCUSSION PAPER 03/2012

(Drafted 13 Oct 2012; Discussed 8 Nov 2012, amended 14 Jan 2013;

Discussed 17 January 2013, amended 23 February 2013)

ALTERNATIVE ROUTES TO MEMBERSHIP

Background

1. When the Institute was founded in 1984, there were only founding fellows and

founding members and the Institute was just a learned society. Clause 4.1(a) of

the Constitution refers, and Bye-laws 2.3.1 and 2.3.3 are also relevant.

2. On the strength of the HKIS Test of Professional Competence (TPC) inaugurated

in 1987 by the BS Division, the Institute became a fully qualifying society in 1989

and it was officially recognized by the Hong Kong Government as the

professional body of surveyors in Hong Kong. At the same time, HKIS entered

into reciprocity agreement with RICS.

3. Hitherto, the RICS (Hong Kong Branch) was operating the major overseas TPC

assessment for Hong Kong candidates. By virtue of the reciprocity agreement,

RICS (HK Branch) eventually phased out.

4. From then on, the route to HKIS membership was either:–-

(1) by reciprocity in accordance with Bye-law 2.3.4; or

(2) by professional training and assessment in accordance with Bye-law 2.3.5.

Development

5. By virtue of amalgamation, members of the former Hong Kong Institute of Land

Surveyors were absorbed into membership of HKIS.

6. By virtue of more reciprocal recognition of other professional bodies, HKIS

membership is open to members of the following surveying societies provided

that they have not less than one year post qualification engagement in local

professional practice, and that their relevant competence is considered

acceptable:–

(1) The Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS)

(2) The Australian Property Institute (API)

(3) The New Zealand Property Institute (NZPI)

(4) The Singapore Institute of Surveyors and Valuers (SISV)

(5) Building Surveyors Institute of Japan (BSIJ)

(6) Canadian Institute of Quantity Surveyors (CIQS)

(7) Chartered Institution of Civil Engineering Surveyors (ICES)

7. By virtue of the amendments to the Bye-laws in 2011, the criteria for admission to

membership were relaxed and the criteria for admission to associate membership

were established.

Rationale for Extending Alternative Routes to Membership

8. The HKIS is the only recognized professional body in Hong Kong representing

surveyors. However, in the building and real estate industry, the HKIS does not

monopolize the surveying profession as there are many other non-surveyors

who also perform surveying functions, operating at both professional and

technical levels. It would be desirable if they can be embraced into the

membership of the HKIS so that the Institute can more fully and proudly speak

for the surveying profession as a whole. Nonetheless it must be pointed out

that such “biting-in” of the “surveying cake” does not apply equally or evenly

among the different surveying disciplines.

9. Many of those non-surveyors performing surveying functions are qualified at

professional or technical levels commensurate with the corresponding

professional or technical members of the HKIS. Many of them are also truly

competent with well established expertise and experience in the surveying

industry. Their admission to HKIS membership will no doubt strengthen the

membership base of the Institute, and we may then speak with a bigger voice in

surveying affairs in, and for, Hong Kong.

10. To attract those eligible persons into HKIS membership, certain alternative

admission routes, other than by reciprocity, or by training and APC, need to be

devised to provide some incentives. In any event, the Institute must ensure

that whoever is admitted into membership, through whatever route, must be truly

qualified and competent.

Professional Membership

11. Bye-law 2.3.4 provides that “Those persons:–

(1) who are at least 21 years of age

(2) who are corporate members of such professional bodies as the General

Council may recognize from time to time as being of equal status, and

(3) who have been engaged in the profession in Hong Kong for a minimum of

one year since attaining corporate membership of the recognized

professional body as aforesaid

may be admitted as Members.”

12. This provision mainly caters for those surveying practitioners who are members

of foreign professional surveying bodies that the Institute has awarded reciprocity

status.

13. Based on the same model, it is not difficult to devise an alternative route ― the

“professional route to membership”, to cater for other surveying practitioners

who are members of those (foreign or local) professional bodies that the Institute

recognizes to be of commensurate status.

14. The different Divisions have identified that, based on their observations of

respective engagements in local surveying practices, the following professional

bodies may be considered commensurate:–

BSD GPD LSD PFMD PDD QSD

HKIA

HKIE

# # # HKIP HKIE

Allied

Professional

Bodies

# Where no specific professional bodies can be identified for the time being

(notably for GP, LS and PFMD), the option is still relevant and open.

15. On the assumption that professional members of such “commensurate” bodies

are engaging in the respective surveying practices locally, the question is how

soon they can come forward for assessment for HKIS membership. The

Divisions and YSG have the following suggestions:–

BSD GPD LSD PFMD PDD QSD YSG

5 years 10 years 7 years No

preference

5 years 5 years 10 years

16. BSD, PDD and QSD would impose a shorter period apparently because they are

much more desperate than the other disciplines for more manpower. YSG

would ask for a longer period as they are of the opinion that those non-cognate

professionals are not entitled to any fast track to HKIS membership.

17. A more objective analysis could be made by reference to the admission criteria

for professional members via the APC route set out in Bye-law 2.3.5, which

stipulates the differential lengths of practices before Final Assessment:–

Entry Qualifications Period of Practice

A cognate graduate degree 2 years

A non-cognate but relevant graduate degree 3 years

Any graduate degree followed with one year

engagement in surveying practice

3 years

AMHKIS 3 years

18. A professional member of an allied professional body will have already

possessed a non-cognate but relevant graduate degree, and his engagement in

the surveying profession would be equivalent to undergoing on-job training. The

added value is that such on-job training is conducted at professional level as

compared with the APC candidate whose training is conducted at trainee level.

If a graduate trainee can present himself for professional interview in 3 years, it is

difficult to justify why a professional, having a higher level of on-job training,

needs any longer period before final assessment.

19. Looking at the overall time frame for qualification, an APC candidate holding a

non-cognate degree takes 3 years training for final interview. An allied

professional will have taken 3 to 5 years to obtain his professional qualification

and then 3 years engagement before professional interview. There is hardly any

fast track admission. To further ensure no fast-tracking, it is agreed to raise the

application threshold from 21 years to 30 years of age.

20. It must be emphasized that the engagement period only signifies the earliest

opportunity for the applicant to present himself for professional interview. It

does not mean automatic admission. The main concern for admission is always

the satisfactory demonstration of the relevant professional competence, and is

not how long the applicant has prepared for it.

21. To ensure that any applicant of this category is genuinely pursuing the relevant

discipline, it is the consensus among all divisions that his application must satisfy

the following criteria:–

(a) subscription by 4 corporate members, with at least one fellow, from the same

division as the applicant,

(b) one of the subscribers having at least 2 years working relationship with the

applicant, and

(c) not more than 2 subscribers coming from the same firm.

22. In addition, it would be prudent to require the applicant to submit a Summary of

Engagement in Local Surveying Practice to demonstrate his competence, which

should be endorsed by the subscribing member who has the working relationship

with the applicant. This is to facilitate processing and the interview.

23. Similar to applications with reciprocal qualifications, all applicants by the

professional route will be vetted by the Divisional Membership Committee who

will arrange professional interviews by Divisional Assessors, and all findings will

be presented to the Board of Membership for final vetting.

Technical Membership

24. Bye-law 2.4.1 provides that “Those persons:–

(1) who are at least 21 years of age

(2) who are technical members of such professional bodies as the General

Council may recognize from time to time as being of equal status, and

(3) who have been engaged in the profession in Hong Kong at technical level for

a minimum of one year since attaining technical membership of the

recognized professional body as aforesaid

may be admitted as Associate Members.”

25. Associate membership is thus open to technical members of those recognized

professional bodies listed in paragraph 6 above with one year engagement in

local surveying practices at technical level, subject to assessment interviews

administered by the Board of Membership.

26. Apart from technical members of professional bodies, there are corporate

members of vocational bodies who are technically competent and who are

engaging in surveying practices at technical level. There are also technical

personnel in the public service who are equally competent.

27. Based on the model of the “professional route to professional membership”, it

may be devised an alternative route ― the “vocational route to associate

membership”, to cater for (1) members of those (foreign or local) technical

bodies that the Institute recognizes to be of commensurate status with our

technical grade, and (2) those vocational practitioners, who have been engaged

in local surveying practices at technical level.

28. The different Divisions have identified that, based on their observations of

respective engagements in local surveying technical practices, the following

vocational bodies may be considered commensurate:–

BSD GPD LSD PFMD PDD QSD

ICW

HKICM

CIOB

# HKIES HKIH

CIH

BSOME

# # Allied

Technical

Bodies

Asst Clerk of

Works,

Building

Safety Asst,

Building

Safety

Officer,

Survey

Officer

(Building),

Technical

Officer

(Arch),

Works

Supervisor

Survey

Officer

(Estate),

Valuation

Officer

Survey

Officer

(Lands),

Survey

Officer (Eng)

Housing

Officer,

Property

Officer

Survey

Officer

(Planning)

Survey

Officer

(Quantity)

Technical

Public

Appointments

# No commensurate technical body can be identified.

29. On the question as to how soon they can come forward for assessment for HKIS

membership. The Divisions and YSG have the following suggestions:–

BSD GPD LSD PFMD PDD QSD YSG

3 years No

preference

3 years No

preference

No

preference

No

preference

10 years

30. BSD and LSD would impose a 3 year period while other divisions have no

particular preference. YSG maintains a long period similar to the professional

route to professional membership.

31. As provided in Bye-laws 2.4.2, the length of practice before final assessment for

candidates with the basic academic entry qualification of a cognate sub-degree or

diploma is 2 years.

32. A corporate member of an allied vocational body will have already possessed a

relevant academic qualification at sub-degree or diploma level, and the added

value is that such person would have already spent a couple of years training

before obtaining the relevant qualification. The 3 years post qualification

engagement in surveying practices before admission assessment, as

recommended by BSD and LSD, seems sufficient.

33. The scenario is however quite different with technical appointments in the public

service. Although these technical officers possess the relevant sub-degree or

diploma, if they have not completed any training and assessment in pursuance of

any technical qualification, the “vocational route” will inevitably be, as YSG is

worried about, a fast-tracking opportunity, as these persons are basically just

eligible for associate membership via the APC route.

34. It may nonetheless provide some incentives to those at “senior technical officer”

level, e.g. Clerks of Works, Senior Survey Officers, Senior Technical Officers, etc.

These officers must have at least 5 years or more satisfactory performance

before they are promoted. It is considered that if they have not less than 5 years

engagement in technical surveying practices with at least one year at senior

technician level, they should be suitable for admission assessment via the

“vocational route” to associate membership. To further ensure no fast-tracking,

it is agreed to raise the application threshold from 21 years to 30 years of age.

35. The different periods of engagement before admission assessment for associate

membership can be summarized as follow:–

Entry Qualifications Period of

engagement

Admission routes

Technical membership of

professional bodies

1 year Reciprocity route

Cognate sub-degree or diploma 2 years APC route

Corporate membership of

vocational bodies

3 years Vocational route

Technical officers in public service 5 years with

minimum 1 year at

senior level

Vocational route

36. Similar to the professional route to membership, the “vocational route to

associate membership” should also entail similar requirements to verify relevance

and competence. Such application must satisfy the following criteria:-

(a) subscription by 4 corporate members from the same division as the

applicant,

(b) one of the subscribers having at least 2 years working relationship with the

applicant, and

(c) not more than 2 subscribers coming from the same firm.

37. It is also prudent to require the applicant to submit a Summary of Engagement in

Local Surveying Practice to demonstrate his competence, which should be

endorsed by the subscribing member who has the working relationship with the

applicant. This is to facilitate processing and the interview.

38. And similar to the other applications, all applicants by the vocational route to

associate membership will be vetted by the Divisional Membership Committee

who will arrange professional interviews by Divisional Assessors, and all findings

will be presented to the Board of Membership for final vetting.

Amendments to the Bye-laws

39. The principles of alternative routes to membership and detailed requirements for

“professional route to professional membership” and “vocational route to

associate membership” set out in this paper have been agreed. It will be

necessary to formulate relevant proposals to amend the Bye-laws for resolution

at an Extraordinary General Meeting as a matter of course.

Deliberations

40. Divisional representatives to the Board of Membership have sought the views of

their respective Divisions which have been incorporated in the paper as

appropriate. The corresponding proposal to amend the Bye-laws was also

discussed and agreed.

Proposed Amendments to the Bye-Laws

The Proposal

It is proposed to amend the Bye-laws to provide for membership by experience.

In Part II Membership,

(1) Add new Bye-Law 2.3.6:-

2.3.6 Those persons who are at least 30 years of age who are corporate

members of such professional bodies as the General Council may

recognize from time to time as being of commensurate status, and who

have been engaged in the surveying profession in Hong Kong for a

minimum of three years since attaining corporate membership of the

commensurate professional body as aforesaid may be admitted as

Members. The General Council may, at its discretion, require the

candidate to submit to a professional interview administered by the

Board of Membership.

(2) Amend Bye-Law 2.3.7 by replacing “a recognized professional body” with “a

recognized or commensurate professional body”.

(3) Delete Bye-Law 2.4.4 and add new Bye-Laws 2.4.4 and 2.4.5:-

2.4.4 Those persons who are at least 30 years of age and –

(a) who are corporate members of such technical bodies as the

General Council may recognize from time to time as being of

commensurate status, and who have been engaged in the

surveying profession in Hong Kong at technical level for a minimum

of three years since attaining corporate membership of the

commensurate technical body as aforesaid, or

(b) who are engaged in relevant technical appointments in the civil

service, or equivalent, for a minimum of five years with at least one

year at senior level,

may be admitted as Associate Members, provided that the General

Council may, at its discretion, require the candidate to submit to an

assessment interview administered by the Board of Membership.

2.4.5 In determining what constitutes a recognized professional body, a

commensurate technical body, an approved or relevant academic

qualification, a relevant technical appointment and senior level for the

purpose of this Bye-Law, the General Council’s decision shall be final.

Purpose

This proposal is to provide for additional alternative routes to HKIS membership at

both professional and technical levels, so that the Institute may strengthen its

membership base by absorbing those practitioners in the surveying industry who are

competent but otherwise not eligible for admission under the existing provisions.

The proposed routes to membership by experience are to cater for mature candidates

who have proven industrial experience in the surveying profession, and who are in

fact sharing the same career commitments and aspirations as our own members.

Comparison of Admission Routes

Admission

Routes

By Reciprocity By Training and

Assessment

By Experience and Assessment

MHKIS BL 2.3.4 BL 2.3.5 New BL 2.3.6

21 years of age 21 years of age 30 years of age

Corporate members of

recognized professional

bodies

Holders of graduate

degrees; or

AMHKIS

Corporate members of commensurate

professional bodies

1 year post qualification

surveying practice

2 to 3 years

professional training

3 years post qualification surveying

practice

Professional interview APC Professional interview

AMHKIS BL 2.4.1 BL 2.4.2 and 2.4.3 New BL 2.4.4

21 years of age 21 years of age 30 years of age

Technical members of

recognized professional

bodies

Holders of graduate

degrees, or cognate

sub-degrees

Corporate

members of

commensurate

technical bodies

Relevant technical

appointments in

the civil service or

equivalent

1 year post qualification

surveying practice

1 to 2 years technical

training

3 years post

qualification

surveying practice

5 years practice

with 1 year at

senior level

Assessment interview APC Assessment interview

Implications

The proposal will not open a flood gate to unqualified or under-qualified candidates as

the Institute enforces a very stringent admission procedure.

Censorship by the General Council

In accordance with the amended BL 2.3.7 and the new BL 2.4.5, the determination of

what constitutes a recognized or commensurate professional or technical body, an

approved or relevant academic qualification, a relevant technical appointment and

senior level, rests with the General Council.

For the purpose of the new BL 2.3.6 and 2.4.4, the following will be presented for

approval by GC.

Divisions Commensurate

Professional Body

Commensurate

Technical Body

Relevant Civil Service Appointment

BSD HKIA, HKIE,

ICW, HKICM,

CIOB

Assistant Clerk of Works, Building Safety

Assistant, Building Safety Officer, Survey Officer

(Building), Technical Officer (Architectural),

Works Supervisor

GPD Nil Nil Survey Officer (Estate), Valuation Officer

LSD Nil HKIES Survey Officer (Lands), Surveying Officer

(Engineering)

PFMD Nil HKIH, CIH, BSOME Housing Officer, Property Officer

PDD HKIP Nil Survey Officer (Planning)

QSD HKIE Survey Officer (Quantity)

Where no commensurate professional or technical bodies are identified for the

relevant divisions, the proposed new routes to membership will not affect these

divisions. It is therefore expected that BSD, PDD, and QSD may attract some

professionals who are already participants in their various practices to join force in

HKIS.

Similarly the proposal may attract some members of certain technical bodies and

those with senior technical appointments in the civil service to help build up our

technical membership base. This is essential to the HKIS as without a strong

enough pool of technical members, the Institute cannot put up any meaningful bargain

with the Government for recognition of our technical qualification AMHKIS.

Processing by the Board of Membership

Similar to applications for membership by reciprocity, all applications for membership

by experience must satisfy the same criteria.

Applications for MHKIS under new BL 2.3.6 Applications for AMHKIS under new BL 2.4.4

Subscription by 4 corporate members with at least 1

fellow, all from the same division

Subscription by 4 corporate members from the same

division

1 of the 4 subscribers having at least 2 years

working relationship with the applicant

1 of the 4 subscribers having at least 2 years working

relationship with the applicant

Not more than 2 of the 4 subscribers coming from

the same organization

Not more than 2 of the 4 subscribers coming from the

same organization

Plus Submission of a Summary of Engagement in

Surveying Practice in Hong Kong

Plus Submission of a Summary of Engagement in

Surveying Practice in Hong Kong

All applications will be vetted and professional

interviews conducted by the relevant DMC

All applications will be vetted and assessment

interviews conducted by the relevant DMC

Final processing by BOM for approval or rejection Final processing by BOM for approval or rejection

(This draft 27 December 2012, amended 14 January 2013, discussed 17 January

2013, and amended 23 February 2013)

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A discussion forum was held on 22 May 2013 by HKIS with over 50 members attending.

Members’ feedback and the response from the Board of Membership (BOM) are

summarized as follows for members’ reference:

Views / Queries / Questions Response

1. The definition of the term

“Commensurate Professional Body” is

not defined and may be subject to

challenge on which professional body is

qualified.

BL 2.3.7 provides that “In determining what

constitutes a recognized professional body,

an approved or relevant academic

qualification for the purpose of the Bye-Law,

the General Council’s decision shall be

final”.

For the sake of consistency, this Bye-Law is

to be amended to read “In determining what

constitutes a recognized or commensurate

professional body, an approved or relevant

academic qualification for the purpose of

the Bye-Law, the General Council’s

decision shall be final”.

2. The definition of the term

“Commensurate Professional Body”

shall be defined by an EGM but NOT by

the General Council.

As for paragraph 1 above, what can be

accepted as a recognized or commensurate

professional body can only be determined

by the General Council from time to time.

Appendix III

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3. Some other professional qualifications

may require completion of top up

course(s) before they can be accepted.

For example – other professional

qualifications may need to study top up

master degree course in town planning

before it can be accepted by P&D

Division.

This comment is irrelevant as it is referring

to admission to P&D APC.

4. Interview is necessary and shall be

mandatory instead of by discretion of

the GC.

And

The wording of the proposed Bye-Law

2.3.6 is not clear – “………..to submit to

a professional interview………..”!!

The provision in the Bye-Law “The General

Council may, at its discretion, require the

candidate to submit to a professional

interview administered by the Board of

Membership” is the style of legal expression

currently adopted for the Bye-Law.

It does not mean that General Council has

to decide in each and every case. In fact,

the General Council has already confirmed

its discretion that all applications for

membership shall be subject to a

professional interview and BOM has been

administering such requirement for years.

5. Technical Member – proposed Bye-Law

2.4.4 (b) requires 5 years practice with

at least one year at ‘senior level’, it

would difficult to define. In

government, senior level may need at

least over 10 years to attain. Suggest

deleting the senior level.

Senior level in the civil service can clearly

be identified. This is to ensure the

competence of the applicant who does not

have a technical qualification. To remove

the requirement will be opening a flood

gate!

6. Technical Member – is contractor’s

experience counted? Is it equivalent

to civil servants?

The proposal “Those persons who are at

least 30 years of age and who are engaged

in relevant technical appointments in the

civil service, or equivalent, for a minimum

of five years with at least one year at senior

level” is to cater for both civil and non-civil

service appointments.

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Those appointments comparable with the

relevant technical appointments in the civil

service are likely to be equivalent. Every

case has to be assessed individually and

independently. This is the duty of the BOM

and the relevant Divisional Membership

Committee (DMC).

7. Commensurate professional body – will

a relevant overseas professional body

be considered?

This cannot be generalized. When there is

a worthy case to be considered, it will be

submitted to the General Council for

approval.

8. The 3 year experience requirement is

too low – has it been consulted?

Can it be longer?

The 3 year period of engagement after

obtaining a professional qualification is

considered the minimum requirement for

HKIS professional interview.

9. The “30 years of age” requirement is

too young.

This is the consensus opinion after

consultation.

10. Application Procedure – 4 subscribers

with one having at least 2 years working

relationship with the applicant -

Suggest the working relationship shall

not be the subordinate of the applicant.

This will be incorporated into the application

form.

11. The proposal will open a flood gate to

other professionals - is there similar

reciprocity arrangement such that HKIS

members can also join other

professional bodies.

This can never be a flood of applications.

In fact, BSD, PMFD and QSD are expecting

and welcoming more members but they do

not foresee too many applications.

With the vigorous assessment process, this

can never open a flood gate for

incompetent persons.

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12. It would be unfair to HKIS Members for

other professionals to enter HKIS by

experience but not vice versa.

All men are free to excel themselves with

more than one qualification. Many HKIS

members are doing the same.

13. Open the gate - Other professionals

can easily get two professional

memberships but HKIS members can

only get one – unfair!

See paragraphs 11 and 12.

14. Surveying course will become

unattractive for students who may take

other professional routes, say

engineering, then join HKIS as a

surveyor.

This can never be justifiably the choice of

students. Some students who failed to

enter Architecture or Engineering become

Surveying students. Few can ever

become architects or engineers. If those

professional architects and engineers wish

to join become surveyors as well, HKIS is

truly standing strong.

15. Is there any review or break clause for

this route? Need to be reviewed from

time to time!

The Bye-Laws are being reviewed from

time to time to maintain efficacy towards

achieving the objectives of the Institute.

16. Can a candidate take both the APC

Route and this Alternative Route at the

same time?

Why is this necessary?

17. Proposed Bye-Law 2.3.6 –

“……engaged in the surveying

profession………minimum 3

years……” – how can the 3 years be

confirmed to be at professional level?

The 3 year experience requirement

shall be at professional level and

defined in Bye-Law 2.3.6.

The applicants are qualified professionals

and they are already professional

practitioners in the surveying industry. It is

for the relevant DMC to make sure that their

engagements are sufficiently competent for

admission into HKIS.

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18. Follow on above - HKIS’s status on

surveying profession shall be reflected

in the Bye-Law.

HKIS’s status in the surveying profession

has already been reflected in other relevant

legislation.

19. Request for a detailed questionnaire to

collect members’ views.

The necessary consultation has been

conducted and consensus reached.

Further launch of a questionnaire is

considered unnecessary.

20. HKIS needs to enhance membership

by admission of members through their

experience - what if there are suitable

candidates with deep experience but

have no professional body? Can they

be admitted?

For those eminent persons who may assist

in promoting the objects of the Institute,

Bye-Law 2.2.1 provides that they may be

elected as Honorary Fellows.

21. Concerns on admission of members

who are below standard!

Admission and maintenance of professional

standards has been the paramount task of

the Institute. This has been the

commitment of BOE, BOM and BoPD.

22. Request for a detailed paper to explain

the rationale on this proposal so as to

ease members’ worry.

Members are welcome to peruse the full

papers approved by General Council.