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RE: S t a t e m e n t s o f James A l l e n , H e n r y G r i f f i n a n d C h a r l e s A s h l e yRegarding t h e M u r d e r By C o n t r a c t o f C a r l G i b s o n .

On August 9 , 1 9 8 4 , I was p r e s e n t a t A r e a One V i o l e n t Cr imesHeadquar ters a t a p p r o x i m a t e l y 2 : 3 0 P. M . i n r e l a t i o n t o t h e s h o o t i n gdeath o f C a r l G i b s o n . U p o n a r r i v i n g a t A r e a One I was b r o u g h t i n t oan i n t e r v i e w room b y D e t . C a t h y Reardon and D e t . M i c h a e l Pochordo.As I e n t e r e d t h i s room I o b s e r v e d James A l l e n . A l l e n was s i t t i n gon a c h a i r a n d was h a n d c u f f e d t o a w a l l I a s k e d D e t . Pochordo t o u n c u f fhim. T h i s was d o n e . I t h e n i n t r o d u c e d m y s e l f t o James A l l e n b y nameand e x p l a i n e d t h a t I was a n a s s i S t a n t s t a t e ' s a t t o r n e y . I e x p l a i n e dt h a t a s a n a s s i s t a n t s t a t e ' s a t t o r n e y my j o b was t o w o r k w i t h t h e p o l i c eto d e t e r m i n e w h a t , i f a n y, c h a r g e s s h o u l d b e p l a c e d a g a i n s t h i m . Ie x p l a i n e d a l s o t h a t , a l t h o u g h I was a n a t t o r n e y , I was n o t h i s a t t o r n e y .The d e f e n d a n t s t a t e d C o me t h a t h e unders tood t h i s . I t h e n a d v i s e d M r .A l l e n o f h i s c o n s t i t u t i o n a l r i g h t s p e r M i r a n d a . T h i s was done f r o m memory.

S p e c i f i c a l l y , I t o l d t h i s d e f e n d a n t t h a t h e h a d a r i g h t t o r e m a i n s i l e n t .I e x p l a i n e d t h a t t h i s meant h e d i d n o t h a v e t o t a l k t o me i f h e d i d n o twish t o . H e s t a t e d t h a t h e u n d e r s t o o d .

I t o l d t h e d e f e n d a n t t h a t h e c o u l d g i v e u P h i s r i g h t t o r e m a i n s i l e n ti f h e w a n t e d t o , b u t warned h i m t h a t a n y t h i n g h e s a i d t o me o r a n y p o l i c eo f f i c e r c o u l d a n d wou ld b e u s e d a g a i n s t h i m i n c o u r t . T h e d e f e n d a n t s t a t e dt h a t h e u n d e r s t o o d t h i s .

I t h e n t o l d t h e d e f e n d a n t t h a t h e h a d a r i g h t t o . h a v e a n a t t o r n e ypresent w i t h h i m w h i l e I s p o k e w i t h h i m and t h a t h e h a d a r i g h t t oconsul t w i t h h i s own a t t o r n e y b e f o r e h e spoke t o me. H e s t a t e d t h a the u n d e r s t o o d t h i s a s w e l l . I a g a i n reminded M r . A l l e n t h a t a l t h o u g hI was a n a t t o r n e y , I was n o t h i s a t t o r n e y b u t i n s t e a d was a member o fthe Cook County S t a t e ' s A t t o r n e y ' s O f f i c e t h a t w o u l d b e p r o s e c u t i n ghim i f h e d e c i d e d t o g o t o t r i a l . H e s t a t e d t h a t h e unders tood t h i s .

I a d v i s e d M r . A l l e n t h a t i f h e c o u l d n o t a f f o r d a n a t t o r n e y t orepresen t h i m t h a t h e w o u l d b e g i v e n a c o u r t - a p p o i n t e d a t t o r n e y o r ap u b l i c d e f e n d e r t o r e p r e s e n t h i m . I e x p l a i n e d t h a t h e c o u l d c o n s u l tw i t h h i s c o u r t - a p p o i n t e d a t t o r n e y o r p u b l i c d e f e n d e r b e f o r e s p e a k i n gw i t h me. H e s t a t e d t h a t h e unders tood t h i s . I w e n t o n t o t e l l t h edefendant t h a t i f h e w i s h e d h e c o u l d speak t o me w i t h o u t f i r s tc o n s u l t i n g w i t h h i s a t t o r n e y o r w i t h o u t h a v i n g h i s a t t o r n e y p r e s e n t .He s t a t e d h e u n d e r s t o o d . I t o l d M r . A l l e n t h a t i f h e d e c i d e d t o s p e a kto me o u t s i d e t h e p r e s e n c e o f h i s own a t t o r n e y o r w i t h o u t c o n s u l t i n gwi th h i s own a t t o r n e y f i r s t h e c o u l d , a t a n y t i r e d u r i n g o u r c o n v e r s a t i o n ,t e l l me h e n o l o n g e r wanted t o speak w i t h me a n d we wou ld l e a v e t h e r o o m ,

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without any f u r t h e r questioning. H e s ta ted he understood t h i s as w e l l .I then asked Mr. A l l e n i f he understood everything I had s a i d t o him.He s a i d t h a t he d i d , and added t h a t he was w e l l aware o f what h i sconst i tut ional r i g h t s were. I asked Mr. A l l e n i f he wanted t o g i v e upchose r i g n t s and D e a w i c r . . me. r e s c , I n c e d t n a c d x . 1i n i t i a l l y requested t h a t Dec RParr!on and Det . Pochardc l eave t h e rocnAt t h i s t i m e those two detect ives l e f t t h e roam: 3emaining were t h edefendant and myself .

During t h e next approximately f o r t y - f i v e minutes Mr. A l l e n engaged mein a conversation regarding h i s p a r t i c i p a t i o n i n t h e cont rac t k i l l i n g o fCarl Gibson. N o one e l s e was present . W e were both seated. W e sharedcigarettes I had brought w i t h me i n t o the room. L i q u i d refreshment was o f f e r e dand denied. T h e conversation took t h e form o f a n a r r a t i v e f o r t h e most p a r t ,with me asking questions when I thought i t was appropr ia te . T h e defendantspoke l u c i d l y and c l e a r l y, and d i d no t appear t o be under t h e in f luence o fany contro l led substance- o r i n t o x i c a n t .

In summary, b u t n o t verbat im, James A l l e n t o l d me t h a t on June 2 1 , 1 9 8 4 ,in t h e e a r l y morning hours, h e was d r i v i n g Henry G r i f f i n ' s c a r northboundon the Chicago Skyway. C a r l Gibson was i n the f r o n passengers s e a t . H e n r yG r i f f i n was i n t h e r e a r passengers s e a t . H e s ra ted t h a t a s he was approachingthe 73rd S t . e x i t ramp he heard t h r e e o r f o u r shots r i n g o f f i n t h e c a r andnoticed C a r l Gibson f a l l over toward t h e f r o n t passenger sea t door immeadiatelythereaf ter. A l l e n s a i d he p u l l e d onto t h e 73rd S t . e x i t ramp and stopped i nthe middle o f t h e ramp. H e then e x i t e d t h e c a r , a s d i d Henry G r i f f i n , who washolding a gun. H e n r y G r i f f i n po in ted t h e gun a t him and t o l d him t o ge tback i n t o the c a r o r he would blow A l l e n ' s head o f f . A l l e n s ta ted t h a t hethen ran down t h e 73rd S t . e x i t ramp and d i d n o t s top running u n t i l he reachedhis home. M r . A l l e n t o l d me t h a t he thought o f going t o t h e Thr id D i s t r i c tPolice S t a t i o n t o t e l l t h e p o l i c e what had happened but d i d n o t .

When I asked t h e defendant how he came t o be d r i v i n g t h e c a r which wasthe scene o f a murder he t o l d me t h e fo l lowing:

On Sunday, June 1 7 , 1984 , h e was approached ny Henry G r i f f i n who o f f e r e dto s p l i t f i v e thousand d o l l a r s w i t h him i f A l l e n would l u r e a man ou t o fa bui ld ing and i n t o a c a r so G r i f f i n cou ld k i l l .him. A l l e n refused.

On Wednesday, June 2 0 , 1 9 8 4 , i n t h e l a t e afternoon o r e a r l y eveninghours, A l l e n was i n Henry G r i f f i n ' s apartment on t h e 5900 block o f SouthMichigan i n Chicago when Charles Ashley a r r i v e d . A l l e n s a i d he had knownAshley e v e r s ince he ( A l l e n ) had been a boy. D u r i n g the ensuing conversat ionAshley t o l d G r i f f i n t h a t he wanted G r i f f i n t o k i l l two men: A s h l e y ' swho had r e c e n t l y t r i e d t o have Ashley run over w i t h a. car; and a "sn i tch" .Ashley t o l d G r i f f i n t h a t one o f these men had t o be k i l l e d " r i g h t Away'and t h a t t h e h i t c o u l d n ' t w a i t u n t i l tomorrow. A s h l e y then gave G r i f f i nfour f i f t y d o l l a r b i l l s so G r i f f i n cou ld buy a gun t o use i n t h e k i l l i n g .

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A l l e n a n d G r i f f i n t h e n w e n t t o a s e c o n d f l o o r a p a r t m e n t o n 4 7 t h S t e e tnea r I n d i a n a w h e r e t h e y m e t " K a r e e m " , whom M i e n a l s o k n o w a s D a r r y l M o o r e .W h i l e a t t h e a p a r t m e n t A l l e n s a w M o o r e d i s p l a y a . 3 8 c a l i b r e r e v o l v e r t oh i m s o l f : n d n - c ! d t h a t a l f n 1 2 . l i d n o t at:.2 t n c g u nc h a n v h a n 1 6 , n e n o t i c e d , , s n t . a n d G r i f f i n L L t h e a p a r t m e n t , t h a t G r i f f i n ' ss h i r t w a s h a n g i n g o u t o v e r his p a n c s , w h e r e a s i t h a d b e e n t u c k e d i n when t h e y ia r r i v e d a t t h e a p a r t m e n t .

A l l e n s t a t e d t h a t h e a n d G r i f f i n t h e n r e t u r n e d t o G r i f f i n ' s a p a r t m e n t .They s t a y e d t h e r e a s h o r t t i m e a n d t h e n d r o v e a s h o r t d i s t a n c e t o p i c k - u ptwo women a n d a man named " J u n i o r . " A i l o f t h e m t h e n d r o v e t o a c a n d ys t o r e l o c a t e d a t 9 3 r d a n d S t o n e y I s l a n d . A t t h a t l o c a t i o n e v e r y o n e l e f t t h eca r e x c e p t f o r A l l e n . A s h o r t t i m e l a t e r G r i f f i n r e t u r n e d t o t h e c a r w i t ha n o t h e r man who was i n t r o d u c e d t o A l l e n b y G r i f f i n a s C a r l G i b s o n . G r i f f i nt o l d A l l e n t o d r i v e t h e c a r a n d G r i f f i n g o t i n t o t h e r e a r p a s s e n g e r ' s s e a t . .1"A

JGibson e n t e r e d t h e c a r , g e t t i n g i n t o t h e f r o n t p a s s e n g e r ' s s e a t . G r i f f i n . rt o l d A l l e n t o d r i v e t o 9 0 t h a n d S a g i n a w i n o r d e r t o p i c k - u p f i v e o u n d s o f • Pq u i n i n e f o r A s h l e y f r o m a man named A l l e n s t a t e d h e k n e wman who owned a d r u g s t o r e i n h i s n e i g l o r h o o d , w h o was a l s o k n o a sG r i f f i n t o l d A l l e n t o t a k e t h e S k y w a y b a c k t o A s h l e y " s h o u s e a f t e r t h e y g o tthe q u i n i n e .

A l l e n t o l d me t h a t h e s u s p e c t e d s o m e t h i n g w a s w r o n g when C a r l G i b s o ne n t e r e d t h e c a r b e c a u s e i t w a s u n u s u a l f o r G r i f f i n t o t e l l A l l e n t o d r i v eG r i f f i n ' s o w n c a r a n d g e t i n t o t h e b a c k s e a t u n l e s s G r i f f i n w e r e g o i n g t oe i t h e r s h o o t - u p o r g o t o s l e e p . A l l e n s t a t e d t h a t when G r i f f i n d i d n e i t h e ro f t h e s e t h i n g s u p o n g e t t i n g i n t o t h e b a c k s e a t h e k n e w s o m e t h i n g w a s u p ,b u t h e w a s n ' t s u r e w h a t i t w a s .

A l l e n t o l d me t h a t a l t h o u g h G r i f f i n h a d t o l d h i m t o g o t o 9 0 t h a n dSaginaw t o p i c k - u p t h e q u i n i n e f r o m h e d i d n ' t . I n s t e a d , h e s a i d , h edrove s t r a i g h t t o t h e C h i c a g o Skywa r i n g o n a s o u t h b o u n d e n t r a n c e r a m pand t u r n i n g a r o u n d t o g o n o r t h b o u n d a t t h e t o l l , p l a z a : H e s t a t e d t h a t i twas w h i l e h e w a s d r i v i n g n o r t h b o u n d o n t h e Skyway t h a t G r i f f i n s h o t G i b s o n .

A f t e r t h i s i n i t i a l c o n v e r s a t i o n b e t w e e n M r . A l l e n a n d m y s e l f I a s k e dhim i f h e w o u l d r e p e a t i t i n f r o n t o f P e t . R e a r d o n a n d D e t . P o c h o r d o . H eagreed a n d I a s k e d t h e d e t e c t i v e s t o e n t e r t h e r o o m . J a m e s A l l e n t h e n g a v es u b s t a n t i a l l y t h e same s t a t e m e n t t o t h e d e t e c t i v e s a n d m y s e l f a s h e h a d g i v e nme a l o n e , w i t h t h e e x c e p t i o n t h a t b o t h d e t e c t i v e s a s k e d A l l e n q u e s t i o n sd u r i n g t h i s c o n v e r s a t i o n r e g a r d i n g w h a t h a d o c c u r r e d a f t e r t h e s h o o t i n g o fG ibson .

I n summary b u t n o t v e r b a t i m , A l l e n r e l a t e d t o u s t h e f o l l o w i n g w i t h• r e g a r d t o t h o s e e v e n t s :

...„cri A b o u t n o o n o n J u n e 2 1 , 1 9 8 4 , t h e d a y o f t h e m u r d e r , James A l l e n r e c e i v e dphone c a l l f r o m H e n r y G r i f f i n . G r i f f i n t o l d A l l e n n o t t o s a y a n y t h i n g a b o u t

the m u r d e r a n d a s k e d t o m e e t w i t h A l l e n l a t e r t h a t d a y .

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I n t h e a f t e r n o o n o n June 2 1 , 1 9 8 4 , A l l e n m e t G r i f f i n b y t h e C a r t e rSchool. G r i f f i n a s k e d h i m why h e h e d p a n i c k e d . A l l e n s a i d h e h a d r u n awaybecause h e d i d n ' t know t h a t G r i f f i n w a s g o i n g t o k i l l G i b s o n . A l l e n t o l dG r i f f i n t h a t when G r i f f i n t h r e a t e n e d t o b l o w A l l e n ' s h e a d o f f , A l l e n h a dberomP s r n r P d l n d h a d r u n h o r l e . t o l d me t h a t . a t t h i s t i r m , 1 , c o l dG r i f f i n t h a t h e ( A l l e n ) h a d l ia,50 a r a p e o n wh ich h e h a d d e s c r i b e de v e r y t h i n g t h a t h a d h a p p e n e d . ; l i e n t o l d G r i f f i n t h a t i f a n y t h i n g happened t oh i m ( A l l e n ) , t h e p o l i c e wou ld g e t t h e t a p e f r o m some t h i r d p a r t y .

According t o A l l e n , a f e w d a y s l a t e r G r i f f i n c a m e t o h i s house a n d t o l dhim t h a t A s h l e y wanted t o s e e h i m . T h e y drove t o a n a l l e y i n b a c k o f A s h l e y ' shouse where A s h l e y g o t i n t h e d r i v e r s s e a t a n d G r i f f i n g o t i n t h e r e a r .Ashely t o l d A l l e n h e wanted t h e t a p e . A s h l e y t o l d A l l e n t o f e e l u n d e r t h eseat f o r a t i r e i r o n a n d p u l l i t o u t . A l l e n r e a c h e d u n d e r t h e s e a t a n d p u l l e dout a gun b y t h e b a r r e l . A s h l e y t o l d A l l e n t o p u t i t i n h i s h a n d l i k e h ewas g o i n g t o s h o o t i t . A l l e n d i d s o . A s h l e y t o l d A l l e n t h a t now A l l e n ' sf i n g e r p r i n t s w e r e a l l o v e r t h e p u n . H e t o l d A l l e n t o d r o p t h e g u n i n z i plock b a g . A l l e n d i d s o . A s h l e y made a mot ion a n d a man approached t h e c a r

' t r 1 whom A l l e n r e c o g n i z e d a s a d e t e c t i v e f r o m A r e a 2 b u t h i s n a m e h e d i d n o t• r l k n o w . A s h l e y g a v e t h e g u n t o t h e d e t e c t i v e . T h e d e t e c t i v e t o o k A l l e n ' s i d e n t i -

f i c a t i o n a n d t o l d A l l e n t h a t i f t h e g u n was u s e d i n a c r i m e , a n a r r e s twarant w o u l d b e i s s u e d f o r h i m . S h o r t l y t h e r e a f t e r , A l l e n saw a u n i f o r m e dp o l i c e o f f i c e r a p p r o a c h t h e c a r a n d A s h l e y e x i t e d t h e c a r . A l l e n s t a t e d h e

* r e c o g n i z e d t h e o f f i c e r a s b e i n g f r o m t h e t h i r d o r second d i s t r i c t . L a t e rtha t e v e n i n g , A s h l e y a g a i n t o l d A l l e n h e wanted t h e t a p e . A l l e n r e f u s e d a n dAshley t o l d h i m t o l e a v e .

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According t o A l l e n h e n e x t s a w A s h l e y and G r i f f i n a c o u p l e o f daysa f t e r A l l y 4 t h when A s h l e y 7 t o l d h i m t h a t h e ( A l l e n ) w o u l d b e k i l lcrossed h i n i . j u s t l i k e A s h l e y h a d h i r e d a t o k i l la f t e r a d t r i e d t o r o b h i m and j u s t 1 e he ' .h d k i l l e d a- - . .

t r i e d t o h e l p C o o p e r.

A l l e n s t a t e d l a t e r i n J u l y , G r i f f i n c o n t a c t e d A l l e n t o a s k a g a i n f o r t h etape o r a c o p y o f t h e t a p e . A l l e n s t a t e d t h e n e x t t i m e h e h e a r d f r o m e i t h e ro f them was when G r i f f i n c a l l e d h i m on August 1 , 1 9 8 4 t o t e l l h i m t o watchthe news f o r t h e n e x t f e w d a y s . A l l e n s t a t e d t w o d a y s l a t e r , o n August 3 ,1984, G r i f f i n c a l l e d t o t e l l h i m t h a t Ash leys c o n n e c t f o r q u i n i n e ,Nick , h a d b e e n k i l l e d a n d t h a t t h e g u n t h a t was u s e d t o d o t h e m u r d e r wasthe gun t h a t h a d A l l e n ' s f i n g e r p r i n t s a l l o v e r i t .

This second c o n v e r s a t i o n between A l l e n , t h e i n v e s t i g a t o r s a n d m y s e l fl a s t e d u n t i l a p p r o x i m a t e l y 5 : 0 0 P. M . I t was u n i n t e r r u p t e d e x c e p t f o rthe d e t e c t i v e s a n d m y s e l f h a v i n g t o l e a v e . t h e room a t a p p r o x i m a t e l y4 :00 P. M . i n o r d e r . to r e v i e w t h e a r r e s t w a r r a n t f o r t h e a r r e s t o fCharles A s h l e y f o r t h e c o n t r a c t k i l l i n g o f C a r l G i b s o n . A g a i n , d u r i n g t h i sconversa t ion , M r . A l l e n had c i g a r e t t e s t o smoke a n d l i q u i d r e f r e s h m e n tFood and u s e o f t h e r e s t r o o m f a c i l i t i e s were o f f e r e d b u t r e f u s e d . C o n c e r nhe expressed f o r t h e w e l l - b e i n g o f h i s g i r l f r i e n d was a t t e n d e d t o . N o f o r c eor m e n t a l o r p h y s i c a l c o e r c i o n was p l a c e d upon h i m . N o p r o m i s e s , e x p r e s s o ri m p l i e d , w e r e g i v e n t o h i m b y m y s e l f o r anyone i n my p r e s e n c e o t h e r t h a nmy p r o m i s e t o l i s t e n t o w h a t h e h a d t o s a y . A t t h e e n d o f t h i s secondconversat ion I a s k e d M r . A l l e n i f h e would r e d u c e w h a t h e h a d t o s a y t o me

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to a w r i t t e n c o u r t r e p o r t e d s t a t e m e n t . M r . A l l e n s t a t e d t h a t h e m i g h tbu t a s k e d me i f h e c o u l d c o n s u l t w i t h a n a t t o r n e y p r i o r t o m a k i n g t h a td e c i s i o n . A t t h a t t i m e a l l c o n v e r s a t i o n w i t h M r . A l l e n c e a s e d w i t h t h ee - c e p L i o n t h a t a t a p p r o x i m a t e l y 6 : 4 2 P. M . M r . A l l e n s i g n e d a w r i t t e n w a i v e ro f r i g h t s f o r m e d t h a t I h i d tvn . . .d

At a p p r o x i m a t e l y 5 : 1 5 P. M . I was p r e s e n t i n a n o t h e r i n t e r v i e w room w i t hHenry G r i f f i n . A l s o p r e s e n t w i t h me w e r e D e t . C a t h y Reardon a n d D e t . M i c h a e lPochordo. U p o n e n t e r i n g t h e room, I i n t r o d u c e d m y s e l f t o G r i f f i n e x p l a i n i n gt h a t I was a n a s s i s t a n t s t a t e ' s a t t o r n e y w o r k i n g w i t h t h e p o l i c e a n d t h a tI was n o t h i s a t t o r n e y . M r . G r i f f i n s a i d h e unders tood t h i s . H e wasseated a n d h a n d c u f f e d . H i s h a n d c u f f s w e r e removed a t t h i s t i m e p e r myrequest . I t h e n a d v i s e d M r . G r i f f i n o f h i s c o n s t i t u t i o n a l r i g h t s p e r M i r a n d a .I e x p l a i n e d e a c h o f t h e s e r i g h t s a s I s t a t e d t h e m , i n t h e same manner a s Ihad w i t h r e s p e c t t o James A l l e n e a r l i e r t h a t d a y . M r . G r i f f i n t o l d me h eunderstood e a c h r i g h t a s I g a v e i t a n d e x p l a i n e d i t t o h i m . A f t e r g i v i n ghim a l l o f h i s r i g h t s I once a g a i n a s k e d h i m i f h e u n d e r s t o o d h i s r i g h t s .He s t a t e d t h a t h e d i d . W h e n I a s k e d h i m i f h e wanted t o s p e a k t o me knowingwhat h i s r i g h t s w e r e , M r . G r i f f i n s a i d h e w o u l d . H e t h e n a s k e d me i f I h a d

.been s p e a k i n g w i t h " H e a d " . I a s k e d ' h i m i f h e meant James A l l e n . H e s a i d y e s .I i n f o r m e d G r i f f i n t h a t I h a d b e e n s p e a k i n g t o James A l l e n a b o u t w h a t h a dhappened t o C a r l G i b s o n . M r . G r i f f i n w a s t h e n a s k e d i f h e wanted t o t e l lme w h a t h a d o c c u r r e d o n June 2 1 , 1 9 8 4 . H e a g r e e d , a n d w e n t o n t o g i v e me a n dthe d e t e c t i v e s who w e r e p r e s e n t a n o r a l s t a t e m e n t t h a t i s s u b s t a n t i a l l yand m a t e r i a l l y t h e same i n c o n t e n t a s t h e c o n t e n t o f H e n r y G r i f f i n ' scourt r e p o r t e r ' s s t a t e m e n t , w h i c h was r e c o r d e d l a t e r t h a t e v e n i n g a t 1 1 : 5 8 P. M .The o r a l c o n v e r s a t i o n ended a t a p p r o x i m a t l e y 6 : 3 0 P. M . A t a p p r o x i m a t l e y6:45 P. M . M r . G r i f f i n w a s showed- a w a i v e r o f r i g h t s f o r m t h a t I h a d t y p e dmysel f moments b e f o r e . H e r e a d t h e same a n d s i g n e d t h e same i n my p r e s e n c e .

Fo l lowing my i n i t i a l i n t e r v i e w w i t h H e n r y G r i f f i n I t o l d h i m t h a t Iwanted t o c a l l a a o u r t r e p o r t e r who wou ld r e c o r d h i s s t a t e m e n t v e r b a t i m .Mr. G r i f f i n a t t h a t t i m e a g r e e d t o g i v i n g a c o u r t r e p o r t e r ' s s t a t e m e n t .

At a p p r o x i m a t l e y 1 0 : 4 0 P.M.Court R e p o r t e r J . A . S z y b i s t a r r i v e d a tArea One V i o l e n t C r i m e s H e a d q u a r t e r s . A t a p p r o x i m a t l e y 1 1 : 5 8 P. M . , w h i l e i nthe p resence o f S z y b i s t a n d D e t . P o c h o r d o , I b e g a n t h e c o u r t r e p o r t e r s s t a t e m e n to f Henry G r i f f i n . T h i s i n t e r v i e w l a s t e d u n t i l 1 2 : 1 7 A . M . o n August 1 0 , 1 9 8 4 .

When t h e i n t e r v i e w ended, t h e c o u r t r e p o r t e r l e f t t h e room t o t r a n s c r i b eh i s n o t e s . A t a p p r o x i m a t l e y 1 : 3 0 A . M . , h e r e t u r n e d w i t h t h e t y p e d t r a n s c r i p t i o no f t h e i n t e r v i e w a n d h a n d e d i t t o me. I n t h e p r e s e n c e o f D e t . P o c h o r d o , I t h e nread t h e w h o l e s t a t e m e n t o u t l o u d t o G r i f f i n . W h e n I f i n i s h e d , I a s k e dMr. G r i f f i n t o i n i t i a l e a c h page a n d t o s i g n t h e l a s t p a g e . A t t h i s t i m eMr. G r i f f i n a s k e d me i f h e c o u l d s p e a k t o a n a t t o r n e y b e f o r e h e s i g n e d i t .I t h e n s topped s p e a k i n g t o M r . G r i f f i n . I s i g n e d t h e document , a s d i dDet. P o c h o r d o , a n d r e f l e c t e d M r . G r i f f i n ' s f e e l i n g s i n a n o t a t i o n o n t h edocument i t s e l f . I t i m e d a n d d a t e d t h e n o t a t i o n .

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The w r i t t e n statement o f Henry .Gr i f f in i s V i r t u a l l y i d e n t i c a l t othe account he rendered dur ing our e a r l i e r o r a l conversat ion. I n bothconversations he spoke l u c i d l y and c l e a r l y, He had no t roub le understandingmi qthisLiouis 2nd wa3 A c o e . l r ' d t , i ngood hea l th and was l a e r t . He was n e i t h e r mental ly nor phys iea l iv coerLed.o promises e i t h e r express o r impl ied were g iven o r asked f o r , j e d i d notappear nor d i d he a c t a s i f he were under t h e in f luence o f in tox icants .He never complained o f any pa in o r mistreatment. H e was g iven c i g a r e t t e s ,food and d r i n k H e was al lowed use o f restroom f a c i l i t i e s .

At approx iamate ly 7 : 4 0 P.M. o n August 9 , 1984 , I was present a tthe approximate l o c a t i o n o f 5400 S . Lake Park i n Chicago when t h e a r r e s twarrant f o r t h e murder o f Car l Gibson was executed upon t h e person o fCharles Ashley. M r . Ashley was observed t o be d r i v i n g southbound o nLake Park when h i s c a r was pu l led over by members o f t h e lNarcotics U n i tof t h e Organized Crime D iv is ion o f the Chicago Po l ice Department. I waspresent a t t h a t t i m e r i d i n g i n the c a r being used b y t h e aforementionedpolice o f f i c e r s .

Upon having h i s c a r stopped, M r. Ashley was escorted from h i s c a r t othe-Chiago P o l i c e v e h i c l e and. asked t o ge t i n s i d e . M r . Ashley entered t h erear s e a t . A t t h i s t ime I was behind t h e wheel o f t h e c a r . U p o n g e t t i n g i nthe c a r , M r. Ash ley greeted me by name and asked me why he was being a r res ted .Pr ior t o answering him I t o l d Mr. Ashley t h a t I had t o advise him o f h i sconst i tut ional r i g h t s . I d i d so. M r . Ashley s ta ted he understood h i s r i g h t Fand would t a l k t o me b u t reasserted t h a t he d i d not know why.he was beingarrested. I t o l d him he was being arrested f o r murder. H e asked me whathe had k i l l e d . I t o l d him i t wasn' t what he had k i l l e d but who, and advisedhim t h a t he was be ing charged w i th t h e contract murder o f Car l Gibson.Mr. Ashley s ta ted "Car l? Why would I k i l l Car l? H e was l i k e a son t o me."Mr. Ashley went on t o exp la in t h a t a f t e r he had found out t h a t Gibson hadbeen k i l l e d , h e had, o n h i s own, t r i e d t o f i n d o u t who had done i t . H e t o l dme t h a t h e be l ieved t h a t Sherman Overstreet had t o l d him (Ashley) t h a tSherman had seen Gibson enter ing a b lack van o r t r u c k o n t h e n igh t Gibsonwas k i l l e d when t h a t van o r t r u c k had been parked i n an a l l e y betweenCottage Grove and Maryland and between 63rd S t . and 64th S t . I askedMr. Ashley i f he knew anything e lse about t h e murder o f Car l Gibson. H esaid he d i d n ' t . H e then asked me i f I could c a l l h i s a t t o r n e y, Sam Adam,for him . W h e n we reached Area One a t approximately 8 : 0 0 P. M . , I askedMr. Ashley t o have a sea t i n an i n t e r v i e w room. He d i d . T h e door t o theroom was not c losed nor was he handcuffed. I then c a l l e d the o f f i c e o f SamAdam. M r . Adam was n o t i n h i s o f f i c e b u t I d i d l e a v e a message w i t h Georgiaregarding Mr. A s h l e y ' s s ta tus . I t o l d Mr. Ashley t h a t Mr. Adam was notavai lable . I was then asked t o c a l l Mr. L a r r y Levin on h i s b e h a l f . Idid t h i s , reaching Mr. L e v i n a t h i s home a t approximatley 8 :20 P.M. M r .Levin ins t ructed me t o have no f u r t h e r conversations w i t h h i s c l i e n t r e t a r d i n gthe charged of fense and asked me t o so i n s t r u c t t h e p o l i c e . I d i d as herequested and i n f r omed M r. A s h l e y o f h i s a t to rney 's advice as w e l l .

Mr. Lev in a r r i v e d l a t e r t h a t n i g h t a t approximatley 9 . 3 0 P.M. I informedhim o f the f a c t s forming the basis f o r h i s c l i e n t ' s a r r e s t . M r . L e v i nwas then given an opportunity t o speak w i t h h i s c l i e n t . A f t e r w a r d , M r.Ashley was transported t o the SLcond D i s t r i c t lockup f o r processing on t h echarpe o f murder.

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MEMO RE: STATEMENTS OF A L L E N , C U F F I N and A S H L E Y REGARDING THE MURDER 1BY CONTRACT OF CARL GIBSON, S A I D MURDER TAKING PLACE ON JUNE 2 1 , 1 9 3 4 ,SAID STATEMENTS GIVFN ON AUnUST 9 a n d AUCUST 1 0 , 1 9 8 4 .

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