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Stocks & Commodities V. 5:4 (148-150): Using Maximum Adverse Excursions for stops by John Sweeney Using Maximum Adverse Excursions for stops by John Sweeney So often the key to success is the reverse of what we initially perceive. Young basketball players are fascinated with the shot, never suspecting the game is won with fast feet. Traders focus on winning signals when they should worry about when to admit they were wrong. Here it is: It's more important to know when your trade is bad than it is to know how to get into it. Said theoretically, "minimize your maximum loss" to win in the long run. In Stocks & Commodities October 1985 issue, I described how to determine stop placement quantitatively Subsequently, a reader asked for a concrete example, so here I want to show how to use the information on T-bonds. Again, the lesson is: minimize the size of your largest loss. T-bond futures are a great trading vehicle. In the December 1986 contract from Oct. 1, 1985 to the present, there's an excellent period for examination because the market experienced "dead slow," "strong rally," and "indecision." First the basics: You need to study past contracts to determine their Maximum Adverse Excursion under the trading rules you use. I use a simple trend-following system with all rate contracts and currencies. The system used here was validated in March 1985 when market conditions were much different than today. Still, I think that the stop-setting rules make it viable today even if refinements weren't possible-which they are. For this analysis, I ordered four contracts of historical information for Christmas T-bonds covering 1982 to 1985 from Commodity Systems, Inc. Then I ran the data through a simulation of my trading rules and measured the size of the moves against by positions. The results are in Figure 1. As in the Dmark and T-bill charts in the earlier article, we see two different curves, although the results are not as clear-cut. T-bonds has two winning trades with adverse excursions up to 45 trading points. Bond traders will have no trouble imagining how this came about! Occasionally bonds have sudden bursts of extreme range with equally large reactions within short time periods--too short for the trend-following systems to react and signal an exit. Thus you get a large adverse move but a system staying in its original stance. These two points aside, it's clear that winning trades in bonds hardly ever had more than 18 points adverse excursion. As a first cut for this test, I set my stops at 19 points away from the entry point. This single action avoids 31 historical trades with losses from $1,000 to $2,000 per contract. I'm trying to minimize the size of my maximum loss. Now, how did this work out in practice? Figures 2, 3 and 4 are charts of December 1986 T-bonds from December 1985 to September 1, 1986. The trades are just as if the 1985 system were being followed strictly. Following the system's rules I was out at A and long again at B. The stop for B was set 19 points Article Text 1 Copyright (c) Technical Analysis Inc.

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  • Stocks & Commodities V. 5:4 (148-150): Using Maximum Adverse Excursions for stops by John Sweeney

    Using Maximum Adverse Excursions for stops by John Sweeney

    So often the key to success is the reverse of what we initially perceive. Young basketball players are fascinated with the shot, never suspecting the game is won with fast feet. Traders focus on winning signals when they should worry about when to admit they were wrong.

    Here it is: It's more important to know when your trade is bad than it is to know how to get into it. Said theoretically, "minimize your maximum loss" to win in the long run.

    In Stocks & Commodities October 1985 issue, I described how to determine stop placement quantitatively Subsequently, a reader asked for a concrete example, so here I want to show how to use the information on T-bonds.

    Again, the lesson is: minimize the size of your largest loss.T-bond futures are a great trading vehicle. In the December 1986 contract from Oct. 1, 1985 to the present, there's an excellent period for examination because the market experienced "dead slow," "strong rally," and "indecision."

    First the basics: You need to study past contracts to determine their Maximum Adverse Excursion under the trading rules you use. I use a simple trend-following system with all rate contracts and currencies. The system used here was validated in March 1985 when market conditions were much different than today. Still, I think that the stop-setting rules make it viable today even if refinements weren't possible-which they are.

    For this analysis, I ordered four contracts of historical information for Christmas T-bonds covering 1982 to 1985 from Commodity Systems, Inc. Then I ran the data through a simulation of my trading rules and measured the size of the moves against by positions. The results are in Figure 1.

    As in the Dmark and T-bill charts in the earlier article, we see two different curves, although the results are not as clear-cut. T-bonds has two winning trades with adverse excursions up to 45 trading points. Bond traders will have no trouble imagining how this came about! Occasionally bonds have sudden bursts of extreme range with equally large reactions within short time periods--too short for the trend-following systems to react and signal an exit. Thus you get a large adverse move but a system staying in its original stance.

    These two points aside, it's clear that winning trades in bonds hardly ever had more than 18 points adverse excursion. As a first cut for this test, I set my stops at 19 points away from the entry point. This single action avoids 31 historical trades with losses from $1,000 to $2,000 per contract. I'm trying to minimize the size of my maximum loss.

    Now, how did this work out in practice? Figures 2, 3 and 4 are charts of December 1986 T-bonds from December 1985 to September 1, 1986. The trades are just as if the 1985 system were being followed strictly. Following the system's rules I was out at A and long again at B. The stop for B was set 19 points

    Article Text 1Copyright (c) Technical Analysis Inc.

  • Stocks & Commodities V. 5:4 (148-150): Using Maximum Adverse Excursions for stops by John Sweeney

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    below the close for the day and was never approached. This trade was very profitable because it happened to catch a large move.

    Looking at Figure 3, I was still long until point C when the system signaled an exit.

    At D, a buy was signaled and the stop was set 19 points below only to be used two days later (E) as the market continued a five-wave decline. Note two things here: the loss was small and very quick. This fit the testing. Duration of wins averaged 20 days in testing. Losses averaged only two days. Conclusion? The market, as "seen" by this system, was behaving normally.

    At F, I was short only to be stopped out three days later on a strong up day. Again, a quick, small loss. The same thing happened at G. Everything appeared normal for this system.

    Nothing happened until point J which seemed a very tardy long--and was. Again, a small, quick loss.

    Point L looks like another ideal entry, although only time will tell how much profit is in the trade. The stop was never approached here, so now it's a matter of waiting until the system reverses itself which it would with any close below 100.

    In summary, here is a system validated for 1981-1985 trading in the far more volatile 1986 environment. It had only two winners and four losers. Winners were large and losses small, for a profit. Clearly, the system of entry and exit was crummy! Nevertheless, the loss control made it a winner in a volatile trading environment. Again, the lesson is: minimize the size of your largest loss.

    Figures 4Copyright (c) Technical Analysis Inc.