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Water and Forestry

Provincial and Local Government

INTEGRATED WATER RESOURCES MANAGEMENT II

PILOT PROJECT FACILITY – STRAND 3 PROJECTS

WORKSHOP NOTES – IWRM Strand 3 Projects

Projects with Extensions (X’s)

4 November 2008 (Citrusdal)

IWRM in a Nutshell

• Progress report from DWAF on work toward IWRM Goals in the Olifants Doorn and Nationally - The minutes of the PMG Meeting held on 14 October 2008 at Bellville were discussed with the group to provide background on overall project progress, and to give insight into why this workshop is being held with the projects that have entered extension of time phases.

• Re-focusing on IWRM as a Pilot Project – Expectations of DANIDA / DWAF – The concept was discussed that as a pilot project, all role players in IWRM are tasked with ensuring that all possible solutions to problems are found and that all possible methods are tested in ensuring that IWRM is understood and that water related challenges are highlighted and addressed so that communities can develop and achieve their project goals.

• The web page iwrm.co.za was displayed for the group with a tour of the different documentation available on the site.

• Skype was activated with Roger Short on video from Italy Roger on Skype:

• Start thinking about IWRM in your projects – DANIDA wants that.

• Begin dink aan IWRM in jul projekte – dis wat DANIDA wil hê.

• Nolitha & Warren (DWAF – Olifants Doorn):

• DWAF is here to support the project groups in finding ways to overcome obstacles. Like to hear problems and help find amicable solutions.

• DWAF hier vir ondersteuning. Wil graag probleme hoor en help om vriendskaplike oplossings te vind.

Overall Expectations of the group were listed:

DWAF Olifants Doorn Status of projects – Feedback from groups

Status van projekte – Terugvoer vanaf die groepe

DWAF Olifants Doorn Does the project group have a plan – till end of December 2008?– for the future?

Het die projekgroep ‘n plan – tot einde Desember 2008?– vir die toekoms?

DWAF Olifants Doorn What are the answers to the questions in the groupwork questionnaire?

Wat is die antwoorde op die vrae in die groepwerk vraelys?

Roger Short (Senior Technical Advisor to DWAF/IWRM South Africa)

Update on Vendzulu payments Nuutste inligting oor Vendzulu betalings

Roger Short Important that projects look at technologies they want to implement (solar pumps, mist harvesting etc and what amount of money is involved)

Belangrik dat projekte kyk na tegnologie wat hulle wil implementer bv sonpompe, opgaar van mis, en hoeveel dit sal kos.


Roger Short Reported that Derek Weston replaced by Tshiamo Matabane as National IWRM Project Manager at DWAF

Derek Weston vervang deur TshiamoMatabane as Nasionale Projekbestuurder vir DWAF

Roger Short Reported re the December QPMG: Carsten will come to represent DANIDA and there is a possibility that the Danish Ambassador will attend

Desember QPMG: Carsten kom vir DANIDA en daar is ‘n moontlikheid dat die Ambassadeurook daar sal wees

Len Lategan (Lutzville Opklomende Boere) LU01X

IWRM has given the assurance that they will provide assistance to acquire land and water in order to get the process going.

IWRM gee versekering dat hulle bystand sal gee om grond en water te kry ten einde die proses aan die gang te kry.

Nik Wullschleger (DWAF/IWRM Olifants Doorn)

To Understand that: IWRM is Water Affairs. Water Affairs’ work is IWRM. The role of Water Affairs has changed from Implementing to Oversight – watching and monitoring. The same goes for Dept Agriculture.

Om te verstaan dat: IWRM is Waterwese. Waterwese se werk is IWRM. Waterwese se rol het verander van Implementering tot Opsigter – dophou en monitor. Dieselfde geld vir dept.Landbou.

Willa Williams (Clanwilliam Opkomende Boere) CW01X

Make certain that our project spends their money wisely. IWRM/Water Affairs should exert more pressure on the Municipalities to help.

Verseker wees dat ons projek hulle geld goed bestee het. IWRM/Waterwese moet meer druk op die Munisipaliteite uitoefen om te help.

Lea Fransman (Taraqwa Opkomende Boere) Petersfield PE14

Looking for support from Municipality. Project goals must be achieved.

Soek ondersteuning van Munisipaliteit. Projekdoelwitte moet bereik word

Aletta Nel (Bitterfontein Community) BF01X

Find out - May we ourselves work with our money? Feedback from surveys is that it should be shared. Role of the Advice Office.

Vind uit - Mag ons self met ons geld werk? Terugvoering van opnames is dat dit gedeel moet word. Rol van die Advieskantoor.

Gert Syster (Suurrug Landbou Vereniging) SU21

Heard that money is not ready yet. What is going to happen now? What about the road ahead?

Heard that money is not ready yet. What is going to happen now? What about the road ahead?

Gerrit Kalemeyer (Witzenberg Tap and Leak Repair and Awareness) WB01X

Project is finishing. Wants to communicate success of project to the community after this meeting.

Projek maak klaar. Wil sukses van projek aan gemeenskap deurgee na die vergadering.

Andries van der Walt (Swartruggens Conservancy Climate Change and Spring Protection) SW01X

To find solutions to a specific problem; closing of borehole that overflows; problems with communication and grasp of responsibility.

Om oplossings te vind vir ‘n spesifieke probleem; toemaak van boorgat wat oorloop; probleem met kommunikasie en begrip van verantwoordelikheid.

Hendrik Janse (Cederberg Emerging Farmers Forum) CB01X

Struggling to effectively organise and host workshops. Strives to use budget effectively. Forums should sit together and plan road ahead and overcome obstacles.

Struggling to effectively organise and host workshops. Strives to use budget effectively. Forums should sit together and plan road ahead and overcome obstacles.

Len Lategan (LU01X) Forums are there to strengthen Water Affairs’ hands. Could the forums have more bite in order to negotiate better with Municipalities?

Forums is daar om Waterwese se hande ligter te maak. Kan die Forums meer bytkrag kry om beter met Munisipaliteite te onderhandel?

Nik Wullschleger (DWAF / IWRM Coordination)

Our goal is also to make sure that partnerships have been formed through this project of

Ons doelwit is ook om seker te maak dat vennootskappe opgebou is deur hierdie projek


Presentations from projects (Aanbiedings van projekte)

1) Swartruggens Climate and Groundwater (SW01X)

Andries van der Walt:

• Problem: Borehole made by Dept Roads and artesian source which is now wasting water and drying up natural springs – NO-ONE takes ownership.

• Want to seal the borehole

• Get roleplayers together (Roads, Local authorities, District Municipality, DWAF)

• Weather stations are in place to supply DWAF and others with data for future generations.

• Monitoring should start by end of the year.

• Groundwater course is planned with IWRM, equipment has been ordered through IWRM

• Protection of springs – dependent on finishing weather station installation.

• Group’s internal commitment not always strong, don’t realize how important it is for future generations.

• Probleem: Boorgat gemaak deur Dept Paaie en “artesian” bron wat nou water mors en natuurlike fonteine opdroog – NIEMAND aanvaar verantwoordelikheid nie.

• Wil die boorgat seël

• Kry rolspelers bymekaar (Paaie, Plaaslike owerhede, Distriksmunisipaliteit, DWAF)

• Weerstasies is in plek om data vir DWAF en ander beskikbaar te stel vir toekomstige geslagte.

• Monitering behoort teen die einde van die jaar te begin.

• Grondwater kursus, toerusting

• Beskerming van fonteine – afhanklik van voltooiing van weerstasie-installasie.

• Groep se interne toewyding nie altyd sterk nie, besef nie belangrikheid hiervan vir toekomstige geslagte nie.

Conclusion on SW01X: The project’s remaining budget will not be fully utilized by the end of December 2009 and an extension of time should be allowed on the contract until December 2009. The project group is encouraged to

IWRM, so that there will be better co-operation in future.

van IWRM, sodat daar beter samewerking in die toekoms sal wees.

Willa Williams Help improve management of problems with situations where some people get better help from departments than other people.

Help om probleme met situasies waar party mense beter hulp van sekere departemente kry as ander, beter te bestuur.

Nik Wullschleger One Government Body. Talk about facts and keep it on record – don’t expect one department to take on another.

Een Staatsliggaam. Praat oor feite en hou dit op rekord – moenie verwag dat een departement ‘n ander sal aanvat nie.

Davine (LU01X) Forge a partnership between commercial farmers and emerging farmers.

Skep ‘n vennootskap tussen kommersiële boere en opkomende boere.

Gus Pickard (DWAF / IWRM Coordination)

Correspondence should be between projects and Worcester Office. It is difficult to see how projects struggle with the same problems for a long time. Hope that after today there will be light at the end of the tunnel and that projects will have new hope for the future.

Korrespondensie moet tussen die projekte en die kantoor op Worcester wees. Dit is swaar om te sien hoe die projekte aanhoudend met dieselfde probleme sukkel. Hoop dat daar na vandag lig aan die einde van die tonnel sal wees en dat projekte nuwe moed sal kry vir die toekoms.


• Keep up with IWRM, attend training and remain involved. • Build on the strengths of the group to ensure that the data can be gathered from the

weather stations and also from the various water sources • Build up the Conservancy; involve the braoder community by creating opportunities

for decent work; be inclusive; share experiences & knowledge with others especially those that are vulnerable in the community.

2) Witzenberg Tap and Leak Repair and Awareness (WB01X)

Gerrit Kallemeyer:

• The aim was to teach people to fix their own leaks and taps.

• Schools got the message – kids remind their parents not to waste water.

• Obstacles: transport, rainy days, weekends and evenings the only time we can talk to people, planned to finish in June

• will only finish contract in coming week

• Die doel was om vir mense te leer hoe om hul eie lekke en krane reg te maak.

• Die skole het die boodskap gekry – kinders herinner die ouers om nie water te mors nie.

• Struikelblokke: vervoer, reëndae, naweke en aande die enigste tyd wat ons met mense kan praat, het beplan om in Junie klaar te maak

• sal projek nou eers in komende week klaarmaak

Questions and Answer Discussion WB01X

Q (?): Nik Report about project end should describe all materials used so that others can follow suit

Verslag oor projek-einde moet alle materiale beskryf sodat ander dit kan navolg

A: Gerrit Used the materials Nik has given

Gebruik van die materiale wat Nik gegee het.

A: Gerrit Measurability of project difficult, but co-operation is needed, which is not always available

Meetbaarheid van projek moeilik, maar het samewerking nodig wat nie altyd beskikbaar is nie.

Q (?): Nik Awareness is difficult, because how do you know how much a person knows? DWAF nervous about investing money in awareness campaigns – maybe a billboard campaign would be better?

Bewustheid is moeilik, want hoe weet ‘n mens wat iemand anders reeds weet? DWAF enuweeagtig om geld te bewillig vir bewustmakingsveldtog – dalk is ‘n billboard-veldtog beter?

A: Gerrit Every household has signed that the project has involved them.

Elke huishouding het geteken dat die projek hulle betrek het.

Q (?): Aletta Is there training available from DWAF to teach the community about water saving and better use of water?

Is daar opleiding beskikbaar vanaf DWAF om die gemeenskap te leer van waterbesparing en beter watergebruik?

A: Nik DWAF recognizes that every project has the responsibility to train their group and community about water resource management. Another workshop will deal with this aspect of IWRM in more detail

DWAF is bewus day elke projek het die verantwoordelikheid om hulle groep en gemeenskap op te lei oor water hulpbron bestuur. Nog ‘n werkswinkel sal meer oor hierdie aspek van IWRM meedeel.

Q (?): Salomé WUA project aims to help the kids to put something viable in place. It is worth it to support awareness programs in the community.

WUA projek beoog om die kinders te help om iets lewensvatbaar in plek te sit. Dit is die moeite werd om bewustheidsprogramme in die


Conclusion on WB01X: The project will receive invitations to continue involvement with IWRM Strand 3 Projects in Olifants Doorn, and the remaining budget will be extended to the end of December 2009 for this purpose.

3) Van Rhynsdorp Emerging Farmers (VA01X)

Not present.

Conclusion on VA01X: The project will be invited to present at a meeting with the DWAF in Bellville or Worcester. The project’s remaining budget will be extended to the end of December 2009 pending the group’s discussion on goals, funds, and timelines.

4) Lutzville Emerging Farmers (LU01X)

Len Lategan:

• Communal land – 300ha – Cellar used 8ha for excretion of poisonous and waste water. There is no life in this piece of land. Wanted to use the rest of the land. Nosie helped with the cellar; LORWUA; Agriculture; Municipality; EFs. Municipality apologized for not attending; LORWUA and Agriculture were not there; the Head of the cellar has retired, and we haven’t met the new Head yet. Had to wait long to meet.

• Kröhn went back to Ceres but while he was there, he received a letter stating that we can clear 5ha of land; went to Herschelman (Agriculture) and it was supported.

• Water from canal – Johan Matthee – R1 000 000 set aside for EFs – system needs you to do application for sluice, build dam, sluice installed & water is available. Looked at using dams along canal to store water for commonage; cellar’s dam is next door, but all dams too small.

gemeenskap te ondersteun.

A: Nik Agreed: It is better to incorporate the awareness goal in the IWRM projects, so that it is viable and will stick in the community’s minds for a long time.

Stem saam: Dit is beter om bewustheidsprogramme in die IWRM projekte in te werk, sodat dit lewensvatbaar is en nog lank deur die gemeenskap onthou sal word.

Q (?): Peter Doring Bay Water Awareness projects should proceed to teach the people about how to use water to alleviate poverty – IWRM projects are positioned to achieve this goal. Can a booklet be made available to other strand 3 projects that will assist in achieving awareness goals?

Doringbaai Waterbewustheidsprojekte moet voortgaan om mense te leer hoe om water te gebruik om armoede te verlig – IWRM projekte is geposisioneer om die doelwit te behaal. Is daar ‘n boekie wat beskikbaar is vir ander projekte oor bewusmaking?

Comment: Nik Strand 1 Municipality projects would have been funded by IWRM to do Awareness projects, but this did not get proposed by the municipalities. Also, people pay the municipalities for water, so why should they encourage people to save water if it would cause a drop in their income? The IWRM Awareness Workshop will deal with this in more detail.

Strand 1 Municipality projekte sou fondse van IWRM ontvang het vir Bewus-makingsprojekte, maar die munisipaliteite het nie so ‘n voorstel ingedien nie. Mense betaal die munisipaliteite vir hulle water – waarom sal hulle dan mense aanmoedig om water te bespaar as dit ‘n vermindering van inkomste beteken? Die IWRM Bewusmakings werkswinkel sal meer hieroor meedeel.


• Lutzville & Vredendal under Matzikamma Municipality. Need their blessing – asked to find out exactly how much water LORWUA will allow them to extract – wanted a letter.

• DWAF wanted planting plan and advice from Agriculture to be sure of the question of how much water is needed.

• Later Herschelman said the letter about cleaing the land was unlawful – may not just start clearing land, so there was a case of miscommunication.

• There are no real agreements between them and they seem to be full of ideas, but everything just delays the OBe efforts – what now?

• SPP helped arrange protest on the land.

• IWRM – Help us deal with these people to find clarity and truth.

• Meentgrond – 300ha – Kelder gebruik 8ha vir uitstort van giftige en afvalwater. Daar is niks lewendig in die stuk grond nie. Wou die res van die grond gebruik. Nosie het gehelp met die kelder; LORWUA; Landbou; Munisipaliteit; OBe. Munisipaliteit verskoning vir vergadering; LORWUA en Landbou nie daar nie; die Hoof van die kelder het afgetree en ons het nog nie die nuwe Hoof ontmoet nie. Wag vir lang tyd vir vergadering.

• Kröhn het teruggegaan Ceres toe, maar terwyl hy daar was, kry hy ‘n brief wat 5ha grond toeken vir skoonmaak; gaan na Herschelman (Landbou) en kry ondersteuning.

• Water van kanaal – Johan Matthee – R1 000 000 eenkant gesit vir OBe – stelsel benodig dat aansoek gedoen word vir sluis, bou dam, sluis geïnstalleer en water is beskikbaar. Gekyk daarna om damme langs kanaal te gebruik om water vir gemeenskapsgebruik te stoor; kelder se dam is langsaan, maar alle damme is te klein.

• Lutzville & Vredendal val onder Matzikamma Munisipaliteit. Benodig hul seën op die projek – gevra om presies uit te vind hoeveel water LORWUA hul sal toelaat om uit te trek – benodig ‘n brief.

• DWAF soek ‘n plantplan en raad van Landbou om seker te wees van die kwessie van hoeveelheid water wat benodig word.

• Herschelman het alter gese die brief was onwettig oor die skoonmaak van grond, kan nie net grond begin skoonmaak nie, so dit was ‘n geval van wankommunikasie.

• Daar is geen ware ooreenkomste tussen hulle nie en hulle is vol idees, maar alles vertraag net die OBe se pogings – wat nou vorentoe?

• SPP het gehelp om ‘n betoging oor die grond te reël.

• IWRM – Help ons om sake met hierdie mense uit te stryk, sodat ons klaarheid en waarheid kan kry.

Questions and Answer Discussion LU01X

Q (?): Gazelle Any ground soil quality tests done?

Enige grondkwaliteit toetse gedoen?

A: Len No, but we don’t want to use the 8ha of dead soil.

Nee, maar ons wil nie die 8ha se dooie grond gebruik nie.

Comment: Nolitha Meeting at Winery – reported effluence very high in CO3.

Vergadering by wynkelder – vindings dat uitvloeisels baie hoog in CO3.

Comment: Len New piece of land next to canal: Closer to canal – asking that the municipality will grant this land to us; We have started working on this land

Nuwe stuk grond langs kanaal: Nader aan kanaal – vra dat die Munisipaliteit die land vir ons sal gee; Ons het reeds op die stuk land begin werk.

Q (?): Nik Tank in IWRM budget? Explained budget is flexible

Tenk in WIRM begroting? Verduidelik begroting is buigbaar

Q (?): Len Need to put a dam on commercial farmer’s land, would we need to buy access for this?

Het nodig om ‘n dam op kommersiële boer se grond te bou, moet ek regte hiervoor koop?

A: Nik Just need a contract with the farmer. Don’t worry – this can be done – LORWUA is independent of DWAF and may be taken to task. Get everything in writing – work

Benodig net ‘n kontrak met die boer. Moenie bekommerd wees nie – dit kan gedoen word – LORWUA is onafhanklik van DWAF en kan hierdie takie hanteer. Kry alles op skrif – werk


Conclusion on LU01X: The project’s remaining budget will be extended to the end of December 2009 pending the group’s discussion on goals, funds, and timelines.

5) Clanwilliam Emerging Farmers (CW01X) Willa Williams:

• In 1993 there were 63 people in the group and now in 2008 there are very few left.

• No lease agreement with Municipality.

• Chantelle Welman is not available for a meeting.

• Willa nearly fell ill due to the stress about the problems of emerging farmers.

• Have worked all the manure into the soil, water planning is done, awaiting quotes, then we can immediately start the installation.

• Would like to proceed for a second phase.

• What are we going to do to get the Municipality to co-operate – to get them to the point where they will sign a lease agreement?

• Geen huurooreenkoms met Munisipaliteit nie.

• Chantelle Welman is nie beskikbaar vir ‘n vergadering nie.

• Willa het amper siek geword van stres oor die opkomende boere se probleme.

• Het al die mis ingeploeg in die grond, waterbeplanning is op dreef, kwotasies ingewin, dan wil ons onmiddellik begin met die installering.

• Sal graag vir ‘n tweede fase wil intree.

• Hoe gaan ons maak om die Munisipaliteit reg te kry – om vir hulle by ‘n punt te kry waar ‘n huurooreenkoms geteken kan word?

Questions and Answer Discussion CW01X

with Nosie. Copies of minutes to Informage, please.

saam met Nosie. Afskrifte van notules aan Informage, asb.

Comment: Nik When you go into these kind of problems, one should try and get the answers one by one, and as far as possible in minutes and other written correspondence.

As ‘n mens in hierdie soort probleme ingaan, moet jy antwoord op een probleem op ‘n slag probeer kry alles op skrif.

Comment: Len We’re staying positive – our homes have gardens, we learn in the gardens, we’re preparing for when we have the land. We only need an action plan. DWAF to assist LU01X to gain access to water. Look at putting in a pump. Cellar pumps from canal into their dam already. Paul Herschelman will have to clear up the issue of access to land for deforestation – get reasons in writing. Get clarity on the issue whether water must be bought or leased.

Ons bly positief – ons huise het tuine, ons leer in die tuine, ons maak reg vir as ons die grond het. Ons benodig net ‘n aksieplan. DWAF moet vir LU01X help om toegang tot water te verkry. Oorweeg die insit van ‘n pomp. Kelder pomp klaar uit kanaal tot in dam. Paul Herschelman sal moet klarigheid gee oor toegang tot grond vir ontbossing - kry redes op skrif. Uitklaar van of water gekoop of gehuur moet word.

Comment: Salomé Pressure must be exerted on the Municipality – they agree to a meeting, then they don’t pitch – Her group waited for an engineer at a meeting for a long time and he never came – exert pressure because the Municipality is slack.

Druk moet op die Munisipaliteit uitgeoefen word – hulle stem in tot ‘n vergadering, maar het dan ‘n vergadering op ‘n ander plek – moes wag vir ‘n ingenieur by ‘n vergadering – oefen druk uit, want die Munisipaliteit is laks.


Conclusion on CW01X: The project should get written confirmation that the 2,5 ha of water is available for use from the Clanwilliam Water User Association. The project’s remaining budget will be fully utilized by the end of December 2009 pending the purchase of the irrigation system – and the group can apply for a seoncd phase – A full description of the group’s goals, funds needed, and timelines will need to be put into IWRM proposal format by the end of December 2008. The project group is encouraged to

• Keep up with IWRM, attend training and get involved.

• Learn to manage themselves and their production on the land

• Build up their Community Based Organization; involve the community; be inclusive; share experiences & knowledge with others especially those that are vulnerable in the community.

Comment: Len Chantelle is not involved in the water issue.

Chantelle is nie betrokke by die waterkwessie nie.

Comment: Willa Have farm training / understanding, so all the hold-up is making one feel despondent.

Het boerdery opleiding/begrip, dus maak die oponthoud ‘n mens lam en moedeloos.

Comment: Hendrik With reference to SPP and Connie September (Water Portfolio Committee), Request that EFs and projects come with proposals on what can be done – disgusted that the same problems are still keeping things from progressing.

Met aanleiding tot SPP en Connie September (Water Portfolio Committee), Versoek dat OBe en projekte met voorstelle kom oor wat gedoen kan word – teleurgesteld dat dieselfde probleme nog steeds verhoed dat dinge vorder.

Comment: Gazelle Important to distinguish between Food security vs Agriculture; When talking to the Municipality about agri-activity, they must support it, as their mandate is to provide land for food security.

Wanneer daar met die Munisipaliteit gepraat word oor kleinboerdery, moet hulle dit ondersteun, want hulle het ‘n mandaat om grond te voorsien vir voedsel sekuriteit.

Comment: Nik Confirm 2,5ha of water is available

Bevestig 2,5ha water is beskikbaar

Comment: Nik Quotations are at R190 000 for installation of irrigation system. We’re still looking at alternatives and hope for a better price.

Kwotasies is by R190 000 vir installering van besproeiingstelsel.

Comment: Nik Express disappointment about the letter to Connie September and the Portfolio Committee on Water - Need to be careful to speak the truth and not be caught out, especially at Connie’s level – bring issues out with roleplayers and focus on getting to the truth and real issues. Understand everyone’s role and responsibility in relation to the problems.

Was teleurgesteld in brief aan Connie September. Mense moet versigtig wees om die waarheid te praat en nie uitgevang te word nie, veral by Connie se vlak – praat oor problem en fokus op die waarheid en ware kwessies. Verstaan almal se rol en verantwoordelikheid in verband met elke problem.

Comment: Nik Lease agreement must be further managed by Forums.

Huurooreenkoms moet verder deur Forums bestuur word.

Comment: Nik Irrigation system will pump directly from the canal to tanks.

Die besproeingstelsel gaan direk uit kanaal na tenks toe pomp.


Hou by by IWRM, woon opleiding by en raak betrokke.

• Leer om die groep te bestuur sowel as hoe om die produksie en grond te bestuur.

• Versterk die Gemeenskapsgebaseerde Organisasie; betrek die gemeenskap; wees inklusief; deel ervaring en kennis, spesifiek met die mense in die gemeenskap wat die mees kwesbaar is.

6) Masakhane Emerging Farmers (MA01X)

Sandla Makenke

• Started the group in 2003

• Got land from the Municipality

• Already cleared and ploughed

• Waiting for Municipality for fencing and kraal, which the municipality wants to put up themselves

• Need help with training in finances and office admin.

• Project Goals: Goats, pigs herded and sold at Van Zyl hok, and feed planted on communal ground

• Land is there, 10Ha, no contract or written agreement / letter

• Water from the river is being used to water the animals

• Need fence, shelter and water for drinking in cribs with water saving installations (Ball Valve and Tank)

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• Die groep in in 2003 gestig

• Grond van Munisipaliteit is beskikbaargestel.

• Klaar skoongemaak en geploeg.

• Wag vir Munisipaliteit vir omheining en kraal, wat die munisipaliteit self wil opsit.

• Vra vir opleiding in finansies en kantooradministrasie

• Projek Doelwitte: Varke, bokke en voer op meentgrond; Verkoop diere by Van Zyl hok

• Grond is daar, 10Ha, geen kontrak of skriftelike toestemming / brief

• Diere drink die rivier se water

• Benodig omheining, skuiling en drinkwater / water besparende installasie met balklep, krib en tenk

Questions and Answer Discussion MA01X

Conclusion on MA01X:

Comment: Salomé Order pipes for water system; why don’t you use the money for this? Maybe they cannot use the IWRM forms?

Bestel pype vir waterstelsel; hoekom gebruik julle nie die geld daarvoor nie? Miskien kan hulle nie IWRM se vorms gebruik nie?

A: Sandla Masakhane will move to new land by the river once it is fenced; water system for animal watering will be installed there

Masakhane sal na nuwe grond by die rivier skuif sodra dit omhein is; waterstelsel vir diere sal daar geinstalleer word

Comment: Gus Masakhane’s secretary does not come to IWRM M&E meetings, so people miss what needs to be done

Masakhane se sekretaris(esse) woon nie IWRM M&E vergaderings by nie, so mense weet nie wat gedoen moet word nie

Comment: Nik Responsibility of project to ensure that project person knows how to do admin & IWRM management

Verantwoordelikheid van projek om te verseker dat projekpersoon weet hoe om admin en IWRm bestuur te doen

Comment: Gazelle GARC can assist in planning for fencing and water system

GARC kan help met beplanning van omheining en waterstelsel

Comment: Nik Need to apply for water from Jan Dissels river – speak to Francois van Heerden & WUA.

Moet aansoek doen vir water uit Jan Disselsrivier – praat met Francois van Heerden & WUA.


The project should get written confirmation that the water is available for use from the Jan Dissels river. The project’s remaining budget will be extended to the end of December 2009 pending the group’s discussion on goals, funds, and timelines.

7) Cederberg Emerging Farmers Forum (CB01X)

Hendrik Janse:

• Management team lives far from each other – difficult to hold meetings.

• Workshops cancelled by organisers/orators – difficult to make the arrangements currently if orators do not stick to the topic and try to promote themselves.

• Plan to have two more workshops in the next two months.

• Members live widespread which affects attendance and transport costs.

• That workshops are organised, this aspect is fine, but presenters are a problem – they don’t understand the issues of the emerging farmers.

• IWRM/Informage should maybe intervene and help with presentations.

• Bestuur bly ver uitmekaar – moeilik om vergaderings te hou/

• Werkswinkels word deur organiseerders/sprekers gekanselleer – moeilik om reëlings te tref as sprekers nie by die onderwerp bly nie en net hulself probeer bevorder.

• Beplan nog twee werkswinkels in die volgende twee maande.

• Lede woon wydverspreid in area dit beinvloed vervoer kostes en bywoning

• Dat werkswinkels georganiseer word, is OK, maar aanbieders is ‘n probleem – hulle verstaan nie die opkomende boere se kwessies nie.

• IWRM/Informage moet dalk intree en help met aanbiedings.

Questions and Answer Discussion CB01X The groups discussed the TOPIC: Are Emerging Farmer Forums a good idea? What can they do more of, and what should be their focus to be able to better serve the emerging farmers?

Comment: LU01X Good mouthpiece for the EFs – we support them

Goeie mondstuk vir OBe – ons ondersteun hulle

Comment: SU21 They are closer – easier to talk to them for support

Hulle is nader – makliker om mee te praat vir ondersteuning.

Comment: Nik Perform well in terms of finances in IWRM, can give support to others.

Doen goed in terme van finansies vir IWRM, kan hulp leen aan ander projekgroepe.

Q (?): Gus What will Forum do to build capacity and address issues of transport? Is there a plan so it can be more effective?

Wat gaan Forum doen om kapasiteit te bou en vervoerprobleme aan te spreek? Is daar ‘n plan sodat dit meer effektief kan wees?

A: Hendrik Real problem: Transport – need access to a car. Also plan to build capacity of myself and whole management to be able to serve members & Project admin in Cederberg.

Werklike probleem: Vervoer – benodig toegang tot ‘n motor. Beplan ook om kapasiteit te bou van myself en bestuur om lede te dien & Projekadmin in Cederberg.

Q (?): Peter What thought has been given to alternative fundraising, when IWRM is finished?

Is daar al gedink aan alternatiewe fondsinsameling, wanneer IWRM klaar is?

A: Hendrik Are planning to do fundraising; are planning to do proper office & establish organisation physically; busy planning for these things.

Is van plan om fondswerwing te doen; is van plan om behoorlike kantoor te hê en organisasie fisies te vorm; is besig om te beplan vir hierdie dinge.

Q (?): Peter What will be the links between Forums? Will they link to

Hoe sal die Forums aan ander organisasies verbind word?


Conclusion on CB01X: The project’s remaining budget will be spent by the end of December 2009; but the slowing down of the procurement system is having a severe impact as cash is needed “upfront” to ensure that meetings take place. The group can apply for a second phase – A full description of the group’s goals, funds needed, and timelines will need to be put into IWRM proposal format by the end of December 2008. The proposal will need to be clearly linked into closer relationship with IWRM / DWAF / Informage and other Emerging Farmer Forums in the Olifants Doorn.

8) Taraqwa Emerging Farmers (Petersfield Farm) (PE14)

Lea Fransman:

• Big problem: Members who do not want to work, farm people (dwellers on Petersfield Farm) who do not want to be part of the project.

• Municipality does not support the project; Municipal Manager has own project about to be launched; meeting with them, but their plans ended in the project group being summonsed and having a case against them for possession of dagga and there is no concrete evidence – case is now postponed.

• Currently the group is back on farm (except for Willem Petro the Project Leader)

• September the water supply stopped, because the power cable of the pump was stolen. The Police are busy with the case

• The canal on the farm is blocked with sand and needs to be cleared, but the municipality say that this is not part of the land that is allocated to the emerging farmers so they may not access it to clear the sand away.

• The Municipality is not even working in the orchard that is their’s – which the emerging farmers feel is wasteful and irresponsible

• Groot probleem: Lede wat nie wil werk nie, plaasmense wat nie deel wil wees van projek nie.

• Munisipaliteit ondersteun nie die projek nie; Munisipalebestuurder het eie projek wat hulle wil begin; vergadering met hulle, maar hulle planne het geëindig met dagvaarding en saak teen groep vir dagga al is daar nie bewyse nie – saak word nou uitgestel.

• Tans is die groep terug op die plaas (Behalwe Willem Petro die Projekleier)

• September het water-toevoer gestop, omdat kragkabel van pomp gesteel is.

• Die sloot op die plaas is toe onder die sand en moet skoongemaak word – maar die munisipaliteit se dat dit nie deel van die opkomende boere se grond is nie, en hulle mag nie daar werk nie – munisipaliteit will dit self doen

• Die opkomendeboere voel ook die munisipaliteit bedryf nie eers die boord ordentlik nie en dit is jammer.

Questions and Answer Discussion PE14

others?

A: Hendrik This will be discussed tomorrow.

Dit sal môre bespreek word

Q (?): Nosie How did the Forums help you? Hoe het die Forum julle gehelp?

A: Lea Hulle was Munisipaliteit toe om met Chantelle te vergader

They went to the Municipality to meet with Chantelle.

Q (?): Nosie Why do the municipality not want help cleaning the canal?

Hoekom wil die munisipaliteit nie julle hulp he nie om die sloot skoon te maak nie?

A: Lea Municipality’s orchard is irrigated from the Boontjies River, and the trench is theirs, so it has to be cleaned by

Munisipaliteit se boord wat besproei word vanaf Boontjiesrivier, en die sloot is hulle s’n, so dit moet deur hulle


Conclusion on PE14: The project should clean the canal and test the borehole as discussed, they can claim costs from the IWRM project. The project’s remaining budget will be extended for additional time to the end of December 2009 pending the group’s discussion on goals, funds, and timelines.

9) Doringbaai Multi Purpose Resource Centre Community Food Gardens (DB01X) Peter Owies:

• Three project components: 1) Emerging Farmers 2) Feeding scheme at the school 3) 28 households (illness in home – liaising with home based care workers (Dept of Health)

• 1st phase – EFs from the ground

• 2nd phase – School project

• 3rd phase – 28 households

• Dept Agriculture also helping with this project to encourage people to make food gardens at their homes.

• Project has been a learning process

• Organic methods are being used

• Bought own seed in the beginning

• Later GARC/IWRM, etc came to help

• Dept Agri also helped with irrigation system; double budgeting for this component as the irrigation system was requested as part of the IWRM project as well

• Doring Bay got a lot of support from the Municipality; One’s ‘approach’ can be helpful in negotiation

• Using municipal water for free at the moment

• Still waiting for Wendy house – the idea was to do labelled and processed produce; Even with other suppliers we don’t receive all goods that have been paid for from suppliers

• Market access is a problem – organic produce can get better price – need more aggressive marketing

• Markets dominated by Up to Date and others that don’t pay more for organiclly produced vegetables

them. Only one part of the trench is attached to the land – that’s why they have to clean it. Municipality’s communication is not good – we feel that they are not even working on the orchard.

skoongemaak word. Net die sloot se bek wat vas is aan die land – dis hoekom hulle dit moet skoonmaak. Munisipaliteite se kommunikasie is nie goed nie – ons voel hulle werk nie eens aan die boord nie.

Comment: Salomé Municipality does not support the project at all

Munisipaliteit ondersteun glad nie die projek nie

A: Nik DWAF wants the project themselves to follow up with stakeholders and roleplayers; Build relationships and take notes, so that everyone may know the truth – encourage the projects to get everything in writing. Tendency in some projects to blame the Municipality but all the time the funds are available with which they could solve problems: Show that you can do something: 1. Clean the canal – claim IWRM labour 2. Test the borehole – submit a requisition and a quotation

Waterwese wil hê die projek moet self dinge opvolg, verhoudings bou en notas neem, sodat almal die waarheid kan ken – moedig die projekte aan om alles op skrif te kry. - Geneigdheid by sommige projekte om die Munisipaliteit te blameer, intussen is die fondse beskikbaar waarmee hulle probleme kan oplos: Wys dat julle iets kan doen: 1. Maak die sloot skoon – eis IWRM arbeid 2. Toets die boorgat – eis met ‘n rekwisiesie en ‘n kwotasie


• Dept Agri provided training in Financial Management, Marketing & Sustainable Management practice – which is a benefit to projects

• Support from Municipality is good for this project. Need to look at what other groups are doing that is not creating a good relationship

• EFs not in control of project claims and orders, so want to move away from MPRC, so they can manage themselves

• EFs also getting support from Up-to-Date e.g. tomato plants, 6 000, which can be delivered to factory Tiger Brands – suggest more land should be made available, so that more opportunities can be made sustainable. EFs want to go on their own

• Drie komponente: 1) Opkomende Boere 2) Voedingskema by skool 3) 28 huishoudings (siekte by huis – HB versorging)

• 1ste fase – OBe van die grond af

• 2de fase – Skoolprojek

• 3de fase – 28 huishoudings

• Dept Landbou het ook met hierdie projek gehelp om mense aan te moedig om voedseltuine by hul huise te begin.

• Projek was vir almal ‘n leerproses

• Organiese metodes is in gebruik

• Het eie saad aanvanklik gekoop

• Later het GARC/IWRM, ens kom help

• Dept Landbou het ook gehelp met besproeiingstelsel; Daar was dubbel begroot vir die stelsel onder die IWRM projek

• Doringbaai het baie ondersteuning van die Munisipaliteit gekry, Mens se ‘benadering’ kan nuttig wees in onderhandeling

• Gebruik tans munisipale water gratis

• Wag nog steeds vir Wendyhuis – die idée was om geprosesseerde produkte met etikette te verkoop; Selfs met ander verskaffers kry ons nie alle goedere wat klaar betaal is

• Marktoegang is ‘n probleem – organiese produkte kan ‘n beter prys kry – benodig meer aggressiewe bemarking

• Markte word gedomineer deur Up to Date en ander wat nie meer betaal vir organies vervaardigde groente nie

• Dept Landbou het opleiding in Finansiële Bestuur, Bemarking & Volhoubare Bestuurspraktyke verskaf, wat voordelig was vir die projekte

• Ondersteuning van die Munisipaliteit is goed vir hierdie projek. Moet kyk na wat ander projekte doen wat nie goed is vir verhoudings nie

• OBe nie in beheer van projek “claims” en bestellings nie, wil wegbeweeg van MPRC, sodat hulle hulself kan bestuur

• OBe kry ook ondersteuning van Up-to-Date, bv tamatieplantjies, 6 000, wat aan fabriek Tiger Brands gelewer kan word – stel voor meer grond moet beskikbaar wees, sodat meer geleenthede volhoubaar gemaak kan word. OBe wil op hul eie gaan

Questions and Answer Discussion DB01X

Comment: Gazelle Need to support this initiative & help IWRM to build support to EFs – well done to MPRC

Moet hierdie inisiatief ondersteun en IWRM help om OBe te ondersteun – welgedaan aan MPRC

Comment: Andries Problem of marketing organic vegetables not unique to organic farmers – all producers need to accept the challenge of marketing sustainable – selling your produce sustainably

Probleem van bemarking van organiese groente is nie uniek aan organiese boere nie – alle produsente moet die uitdaging van volhoubare bemarking aanvaar – om jou produkte volhoubaar te verkoop

Comment: 2020 Vision for Water active in the schools could be linked in with school project / feeding scheme & awareness; water harvesting; Ultimately the school benefits from surplus

2020 Visie vir Water aktief in skole kan inhak met die skoolvoedingskema & bewusmakingsveldtog; reen water opgaar; Die uitkoms sal wees dat die skool kan baat vind in enige surplus produksie


Q (?): Gisela Non-delivery of goods paid for – Dalmark example; What should be done about this sort of situation?

Nie-lewering van betaalde goedere – Dalmark voorbeeld; Wat kan aan sulke situasies gedoen word?

Comment: Salomé Electrical connection at the project still outstanding for project LB21 (LB01’s second phase – but purchased under LB01)

Elektriese verbindings by die projek LB01 is nog uitstaande

A: Nik Projects get monthly statements, they need to feedback to Informage that goods have not been received. All of us are responsible but projects need to follow up on these issues. Wendy houses are also a problem that we have learned from – need to keep very awake re suppliers & the failure to deliver; Best people who need to follow up with suppliers are the project leaders – we can support with letter from Vendzulu to put pressure on suppliers

Projekte kry maandelikse state, huhlle moet terugvoer gee aan Informage as goedere nie ontvang is nie. Ons is almal verantwoordelik, maar projekte moet sulke kwessies opvolg. Wendyhuise is ook ‘n probleem wat ons opgetel het – moet baie wakker wees oor verskaffers en onvermoë om te lewer; Die beste mense wat met die verskaffers moet opvolg is die projekleiers – ons kan hulle ondersteun met ‘n brief van Vendzulu om druk op die verskaffers toe te pas

Q (?): Gazelle Who responds to the IWRM letters that are sent to DB01X?

Wie is verantwoordelik om terugvoering te gee op die IWRM briewe by DB01X?

A: Patricia MPRC does all admin and letters for IWRM project

MPRC doen alle admin en briewe vir die IWRM projek

Comment: Nik Suggest project leaders take ownership of this project and meet monthly to do admin together with MPRC, to fill in the Balanced Scorecard, Monthly invoices and Claims & Requisitions

Stel voor dat projekleiers eienaarskap van hierdie projek neem en maandeliks vergader om admin saam met MPRC te doen, soos die invul van Gebalanseerde Telkaarte, Maandelikse state en Eise en Rekwisisies

Q (?): Len What relationship does MPRC have with Municipality?

Watter verhouding het MPRC met Munisipaliteit?

A: Peter Good co-operation with Municipality that is very involved with the MPRC.

Goeie samewerking met Munisipaliteit wat baie betrokke is by MPRC

Comment: Nik DBSA Knowledge Week presentation showed that success in community projects is directly related to TRUST. Maybe this is what MPRC has with the Municipality

DBSA Knowledge Week aanbieding toon aan dat sukses in die gemeenskapsprojekte is direk verwant aan VERTROUE. Miskien is dit wat MPRC met die Munisipaliteit het

Comment: Peter EFs started a project on their own inisiative and this impressd the funders who now support the project

OBe het ‘n projek op eie inisiatief begin en dit het die befondsers beïndruk, sodat hulle die projek nou ondersteun

Comment: Nik Worth noting how Doring Bay MPRC helped build a good relationship with the Matzikama Municipality

Die moeite werd om te kyk hoe die Doringbaai MPRC gehelp het om ‘n goeie verhouding te bou met die Matzikama Munisipaliteit

Comment: Peter Plan to end of December to purchase and install tanks, pipes at households, buy seeds for the household gardens, and support them to get small gardens going (The

Plan tot einde Desember is on tenke end pype by huise te installer, om saad te koop en seker te maak dat die huis tuine begin om te groei. (Die skool en die OBe projekte sal hulle eie


Conclusion on DB01X: The project’s remaining budget may be spent by the end of December, and a second phase may be considered with the groups involved – it will be critical that the focus is on water, and all the projects might not be funded, those that can exhibit the role of water for growth and development will be more likely to receive support. The groups can thus apply for a second phase within their own organizations (School, Emerging Farmers, Home Based Care / MPRC) – A full description of the group’s goals, funds needed, and timelines will need to be put into IWRM proposal format by the end of December 2008.

10) Bitterfontein Advice Office Big Roof Rain Water Harvesting for Food Gardens (BF01X)

Aletta

• In two days they did a survey which was needed two years ago, now want to begin.

• Want to be able to manage this project as a group independent of BADODMA.

• Got no results from Spoornet regarding big roof.

• The group of four will work together with the others to make it work.

• 13 Tanks are planned.

• In twee dae is ‘n opname gedoen wat twee jaar gelede benodig is.

• Wil graag die projek bestuur as ‘n groep onafhanklik van BADODMA.

• Kry geen resultate by Spoornet vir groot dak nie.

• Die groep van vier sal met die ander saamwerk om die projek te laat werk.

• 13 Tenks word beplan.

Questions and Answer Discussion BF01X

school and EF projects would seek funding for their own projects in future)

fondse soek in die toekoms)

Q (?): Salomé About the payment made to Municipality for the electricity that’s still not in place at Vukani in Lambertsbay – need to follow up from IWRM side

Oor die betaling aan die Munisipaliteit vir elektrisiteit wat nog steeds nie in plek by Vukani in Lambertsbaai is nie – IWRM moet opvolg

A: Nik There are rules with electrical installations, hence the need for a registered electrician; Municipality will do the job if everything is in place; Cederberg Municipality is waiting for the qualified electrician to prepare the electrical connection

Daar is reëls by elektriese installerings, vandaar die nodigheid vir ‘n geregistreerde elektrisiën; Munisipaliteit sal die werk doen as alles in plek is; Cederberg Munisipaliteit wag vir die gekwalifiseerde elektrisiën om die elektriese verbinding voor te berei

Comment: Gazelle Also IWRM is not responsible, but Salomé must help monitor installations

IWRM is nie verantwoordelik nie, maar Salomé moet die installerings help monitor

Comment: Nik Projects must give Informage the ammunition with which to deal with suppliers

Projekte moet aan Informage die ammunisie gee waarmee hulle na die verskaffers toe kan gaan

Comment: Hendrik Disabled person; asked that the project should start but BADODMA sent nothing through to start the project

Gestremde persoon; vra dat die projek moet gebeur, maar BADODMA het niks deurgestuur om die projek op dreef te kry nie

Comment: Nik The group must provide an explanation of how the households were selected

Die groep moet beskryf hoe huishoudings gekies word

Comment: Nosie IWRM contract is with BADODMA, so you will have

IWRM kontrak is met BADODMA, so julle sal met hulle moet


Conclusion on BF01X: The project should get written confirmation that the new project leadership is in place, and should submit as much documentation as possible regarding the survey that determined which houses would form part of the project. The project’s remaining budget will be extended to the end of December 2009 pending the group’s discussion on goals, funds, and timelines.

11) Suurrug Landbouvereniging (SU21) Project halted due to conflict.

Gert Syster

• Our problems are among each other. We don’t work together well. We must use the IWRM funding for the community and for a better life

• Other projects have problems with other people.

• We have a borehole with a pump, so we can use the water, but a lot of it runs away. When the tanks are not full, the pumps work and fill them, but when the pump stands, who is responsible then?

• It’s easy to say that others must fix our problems.

• Project – organic – sweet potatoes, butternuts – has been too wet to plant, so will plant in December, depending on the water. Must still lay water pipes to the spot where we want to plant.

• The ground water vanishes.

• Office equipment – the cupboard is not there – need money to go and fetch the cupboard.

• Another problem: ploughing of the earth – cannot find a tractor, so we use the mules.

• All of us did not attend the workshops, so there was conflict because everyone did not understand

• Ons probleme is onder mekaar. Ons werk nie lekker saam nie. Ons moet die IWRM geld gebruik vir die gemeenskap en ‘n beter lewe.

• Ander projekte het probleme met ander mense.

• Ons het ‘n boorgat met ‘n pomp, so ons kan water gebruik, maar baie water loop weg. As die tenks nie vol is nie, werk die pomp en maak dit vol, maar wanneer die pomp staan, wie is dan verantwoordelik?

• Dis maklik om te sê ander moet die probleme regmaak wat ons het.

to work with them saamwerk

Comment: Nik BADODMA only has to send a letter stating that you have been chosen as the project’s Day management, so that you can proceed under the existing project

BADODMA moet net ‘n brief stuur wat sê dat julle aangestel is as die projek se Dagbestuur, sodat julle kan aangaan onder die bestaande projek

A: Aletta Aletta will give new contact details and new project leader name

Aletta sal nuwe kontakdetails en nuwe groepleier se naam gee

A: Aletta BADODMA account will remain in place

BADODMA rekening bly in plek

Comment: Gisela Finances available & documents for project and contract need to be communicated to project management as well as how to use the financial systems

Finansies beskikbaar en dokumente vir projek kontrak en finansiële stelsels moet aan nuwe projekbestuur gekommunikeer word.

Comment: Gisela Balanced scorecards also need to be explained to this group

Gebalanseerde tellingkaarte moet ook aan die groep verduidelik word.


• Projek – organies – soetpatats, botterskorsie – was nog te nat om te plant, maar ons wil in Desember plant, afhangende van die water. Moet nog water aanlê tot by die grond waar ons plant.

• Die grondwater raak weg.

• Kantoortoerusting – die kas is nie daar nie – benodig geld om die kas te gaan haal.

• Ander probleem: ploeg van die grond – kan nie ‘n trekker kry nie, so ons gebruik die esels.

• Ons het nie almal die werkswinkel bygewoon nie, so daar was konflik, omdat almal nie verstaan het nie

Questions and Answer Discussion SU21

Comment: Nik Go fetch the cupboard and everything else that needs to be fetched from Clanwilliam. I understand there isn’t good co-operation - no names – but what about the future?

Gaan haal die kas saam met die ander goed wat van Clanwilliam af gehaal moet word. Ek verstaan daar is nie goeie samewerking nie – geen name – maar wat van die toekoms?

Comment: Gert Hopefully after today the two groups (workers and management) will work together better. I am responsible for my own work – I must do it

Hopelik sal die twee groepe (werkers en bestuur) na vandag beter saamwerk. Ek is verantwoordelik vir my werk – ek moet dit doen

Comment: Nik 5 people have been invited to the workshops, then they don’t pitch – it’s about the inner workings of a group. Style of management – there are those that watch and trust, other think “I have to do everything myself”

5 mense word na werkswinkel genooi, dan daag hulle nie op nie – dit gaan oor die groep se binnewerkinge. Bestuurstyl – daar is hulle wat dophou en vertrou, ander dink “Ek moet alles self doen”

Q (?): Nik We’re holding you back, because there is money missing – R5 940.00

Ons hou julle terug, omdat daar geld weg is – R5 940.00

A: Margieta 17/4/08 – money withdrawn from bank, Magrieta and Ragel received the money; Magrieta and Nik understood payments clearly

17/4/08 – geld uit bank onttrek, Magrieta en Ragel het die geld ontvang, Magrieta en Nik het die uitbetalings goed verstaan

Comment: Gert Dissatisfied, because communication was not good, R480 for labour never received

Ontevrede, want kommunikasie was nie goed nie, R480 vir arbeid wat nie ontvang is nie

Comment: Nik Magrieta looked it up – everyone understands he problem

Magrieta het dit opgesoek – almal het verstaan

Comment: Nik Not a problem to pay for labour, but it must be for installation for IWRM; Everyone in their project group must work correctly with money – sign receipts

Nie ‘n probleem om te betaal vir arbeid nie, maar moet wees vir installasie vir IWRM; Almal moet in hulle projekgroep versigtig werk met geld – teken ontvangsstrokies

Comment: Gert Solution: We must be more precise in future – keep our records clean

Oplossing: Ons moet meer presies wees in die toekoms – hou ons rekords skoon

Comment: Peter Also suggest that, when money arrives, each person gets money from one person according to agreement, but at Doring Bay we prefer not to pay labour out, as the project will benefit you by it’s product

Stel ook voor dat, wanneer geld arriveer, elke persoon geld kry van een persoon volgens ooreenkoms, maar in Doringbaai verkies ons om nie arbeid uit te betaal nie, want jy sal baat by die projek se doel en eindprodukte

Comment: Nik Everything stopped at SU21, because we have to sort this

Alles gestop by SU21, want ons moet uitvind wat hier aangaan;


Conclusion on SU21: The project should get written confirmation that the project leadership is in place, and access is allowed to all office equipment and facilities, the group should submit as much documentation as possible regarding their resolutions, and also claim their admin and office funds for the period from July 2008. This should help them start things up again, and then they need to focus on their water problems. The investigation into pump maintenance and support systems will continue as an underlying focus for this group. The project’s contract is in place until end June 2009 when a third phase may be considered for IWRM.

out; We want the project to go on, but you have to help us to work better in future

Ons wil hê die projek moet aangaan, maar julle moet vir ons help om vorentoe beter te werk

Comment: Magrieta I am being accused of bad management of funds; Don’t have access to the office; My Membership fees have been paid, but members say I haven’t paid;

Ek word beskuldig van slegte bestuur van gelde; Het nie toegang tot kantoor nie; My lidmaatskapgeld is opbetaal, maar lede sê ek het nie betaal nie

Comment: Abraham A misunderstanding; Suggest that two people sign the timesheets in future

‘n Misverstand; Stel voor dat twee mense die tydkaart onderteken in die toekoms

Comment: Gert Suggest that everyone does their own work; We must understand each other and talk directly about problems; Write off the problem of the money as a misunderstanding

Stel voor dat elkeen hulle eie werk doen; Ons moet mekaar verstaan en direk oor probleme praat; Skryf die probleem van die geld af as ‘n misverstand

Q (?): Nik Who does what? Wie doen wat?

A: Gert As chairman, he will write to Informage to explain

Gert is voorsitter en hy sal aan ons skryf

Q (?): Nik Nik asks that the project’s people have access to the project’s assets, e.g. office, fax, etc

Nik vra dat die projek se mense toegang het tot die projek se bates, nl kantoor, faksmasjien, ens

Comment: Nosie Take a lesson from this situation; Conflict is a serious barrier to progress, for us, for IWRM/DWAF/Informage, for projects internally; Look at the bigger picture; Remember how we all wanted to make this project a success at the start. Keep that spirit alive; Resolve conflict and tell us how we can help!

Leer ‘n les uit hierdie situasie; Konflik is ‘n ernstige hindernis vir vooruitgang, vir ons, vir IWRM/DWAF/ Informage, vir die projekte intern; Kyk na die groter prentjie; Herinner jouself daaraan hoe ons aan die begin almal hierdie projek wou laat slag; Behou daardie gees; Los konflik op en sê hoe ons kan help!

Comment: Peter

We almost went the same road with Labour money but now made contact with Dept Social Development that helps towards Food security – IWRM money will not be applied towards labour – there should be some way to solve issues

Ons het amper dieselfde pad geloop met Arbeid geld, maar het nou kontak gemaak met Dept Maatskaplike Ontwikkeling, wat help met Voedselveiligheid – IWRM geld kan nie aangewend word vir arbeid nie – daar moet ‘n manier wees om sulke kwessies op te los

Q (?): Gazelle SU21 problem with water and electricity may also need to be solved still

SU21 se probleem met water en elektrisiteit moet ook nog opgelos word

A: Nik Project will be supported until June – so can still keep a watch on what develops and how to assist

Projek sal ondersteun word tot Junie – kan steeds ‘n ogie hou oor wat ontwikkel en ondersteun


• Discussion on Presentations, Group Work and Required Outcomes of this Workshop

Group Work:

1. What has gone wrong with projects that have time extensions – why do they not show any progress?

Questions and Answer Discussion on What went wrong? Wat het verkeerd geloop?

2. What are the best signs that a project is going to fail, which should be considered

during the selection phase?

Questions and Answer Discussion on What are the signs of project failure? Wat is die tekens van ‘n projek wat misluk?

3. What can communities do to make sure that community development projects reach

their goals and help them to address poverty? Questions and Answer Discussion on What can communities do to ensure success? Wat kan gemeenskappe doen om sukses te verseker?

4. What can the following IWRM role players do to help ensure that these problems do

not occur in future projects? Questions and Answer Discussion on What can roleplayers do? Wat kan rolspelers doen?

Misunderstandings Misverstande

Inadequate knowledge of financial systems Gebrekkige kennis van finansiële stelsels

Conflict and lack of knowledge to handle it Konflik en te min kennis vir die hantering daarvan

Conflict in leadership positions: roles & responsibilities need to be clear

Konflik in leierskapsposisies: rolle & verantwoordelikhede moet duidelik wees

Municipality has contributed to conflict Munisipaliteit het bygedra tot konflik

Access to land Toegang tot grond

No help from local government Geen hulp van plaaslike regering nie

Opposition from commercial farmers Teenkanting vanaf kommersiële boere

Inadequate help regarding water from LORWUA

Gebrekkige hulp oor water vanaf LORWUA

Infrastructure is needed, but difficult to put in place

Infrastruktuur is nodig, maar moeilik om in plek te sit

Service providers not delivering in time, causing projects to lose momentum

Diensverskaffers lewer nie betyds nie, wat veroorsaak dat die projek momentum verloor

Vendzulu pays very slowly Vendzulu betaal stadig

Relationships within the community and with roleplayers outside community

Verhoudings binne die gemeenskap en met rolspelers buite die gemeenskap

When people can’t keep to timeframes Wanneer mense nie by tydskedules kan hou nie

When there is no water/land Wanneer daar geen water/grond is nie

Take on local government. Arrange a march Vat die plaaslike regering aan. Reël ‘n optog

Demonstrate ability to do something Demonstreer vermoë om iets te kan doen

Awareness campaign to build support for Forums and Projects

Bewustheidsveldtog om steun te verkry vir Forums en Projekte

Don’t be selfish. Divide projects among many people, achieve more success..

Moenie selfsugtig wees nie. Deel die projek tussen baie mense op en behaal meer sukses


DWAF Region Olifants Doorn DWAF Streek Olifants Doorn

Empower our people to be able to stand up for water rights

Bemagtig ons mense om op te staan vir waterregte

WATERACT; Water Rights (Training program)

WATERACT; Water Rights (Opleidingsprogram)

More dams in OD Meer damme in OD

Water awareness raising filter down to communities

Waterbewustheid verhoging fitreer af na gemeenskappe

LORWUA is making it difficult for EFs LORWUA maak dit moeilik vir OBe

DWAF must ensure policies are implemented fairly

DWAF moet seker maak dat beleide regverdig geïmplementeer word

Represent OD EFs Verteenwoordig OD OBe

DWAF National

DWAF Nasionaal

Review National Water Act to get better coverage for EFs

Hersien Nasionale Waterwet om beter blootstelling aan OBe te gee

Be more strict on polluters (wine cellars) Tree strenger op teen besoedelaars (wynkelders)

Institutionalise IWRM Methodology so that IWRM becomes a way of life

Institusionaliseer IWRM Metodiek, sodat IWRM ‘n lewenswyse word

Dept Agriculture Dept Landbou

Identify land ((Land Affairs & LAs) Identifiseer grond (Grondsake en LA’s)

Support structure for Emerging Farmers and Organic Methods

Ondersteun struktuur vir Opkomende Boere en Organiese Metodes

Local Municipality

Plaaslike Munisipaliteit

Be available Wees beskikbaar

Make funds available for establishment of Food Security projects

Maak fondse beskikbaar vir vorming van Voedselveiligheid projekte

Assign people to EF projects who have a passion and interest – to help EFs develop

Deel mense aan OB projekte toe wat ‘n passie en belangstelling het – om OBe te help ontwikkel

Commonage land – what chance of EF one day owning this land?

Meentgrond – wat is die kanse dat OB eendag die stuk grond sal besit?

Rights to Land – Lease Agreement – Ownership

Grondregte – Huurooreenkoms – Eienaarskap

Facilities must be available for EF’s projects to use free of charge

Fasiliteite moet beskikbaar wees vir Obe-projekte om gratis te gebruik

Moratorium on giving commonage to Commercial Farmers and Businesses, but to be ‘given’ to EFs.

Moratorium op gee van meentgrond aan Kommersiële boere en Besighede, en ‘gee’ dit aan OBe

Plays the role of facilitator between Departments who support EFs.

Speel die rol van fasiliteerder tussen Departemente wat OBe ondersteun

District Municipalities

Distriksmunisipaliteite

Help with funds Help met fondse

Stop supporting only those that you know Hou op om net dié te help wat julle ken

Look at all EFs equally Kyk na alle OBe gelykwaardig

Identify land for farming Identifiseer grond vir boerderye

Emerging Farmer Forums

Opkomendeboere Forums

Get more power to be able to help EFs with applications for assistance to government

Kry meer mag om OBe te help met aansoek vir hulp by regering

Support EF projects & represent them at other Forums – like with problem with roleplayers outside the project

Ondersteun OB projekte & verteenwoordig hulle by ander Forums – soos met probleem met rolspelers buite projek


Members must come to the meetings & monitor attendance to be able to support those who are active

Lede moet vergaderings bywoon & bywoning monitor om die wat aktief is, te ondersteun

Forum should be able to identify & filter down opportunities for EFs

Forum moet geleenthede identifiseer en afwentel na verdienstelike OBe

Do Needs analysis among members Doen Behoefte-analise onder lede

Link with SADC Social Forums & internationally

Skakel met SADC Maatskaplike Forums & internasionaal

Problems with theft at EF projects - Forums could help?

Probleme met diefstal by OB projekte – Forums kan help?

Should get empowered & resourced/financed Moet bemagtig word & hulpbronne hê/finansies

Members must join & help adapt constitution Lede moet aansluit en grondwet help aanpas

Informage / Project Coordination for Strand 3 IWRM Projects

Informage / Project Koordineering vir “Strand 3” IWRM Projekte

WUA together to address corruption Saam met WUA spreek korrupsie aan

Ensure PMG actions are followed through, commitment & support

Maak seker PMG aksies word deurgevoer, toewyding en ondersteuning

Ensure everyone understands documentation re projects

Maak seker almal verstaan dokumentasie re projekte

Help identify water source for Sandveld, communicate progress

Help identifiseer waterbron vir Sandveld, kommunikeer vordering

NGOs: GARC & SPP

NROs: GARC & SPP

Business plan support; constitution development & support

Steun met Besigheidsplan; ontwikkeling & ondersteuning van grondwet

Water calculations Waterberekenings

Expand support to project not yet in loop Brei steun uit na projek wat nog nie aan die gang is nie

Local Community Leaders

Plaaslike Gemeenskapsleiers

Stop conflict, get out of offices, do awareness raising & give support

Stop konflik, kom uit die kantore, skep bewustheid en ondersteun.

CDWs to support projects CDWs moet projekte ondersteun.

Advice offices & MPRCs should help establish projects where there are none

Advieskantore & MPRCs moet projekte daarstel waar daar nie is nie.

Most EF projects are the leaders in the communities – Wendy houses will help build profile in the community

Die meeste OB projekte is leiers in die gemeenskap – Wendyhuise skep aansien in die gemeenskap.

Reverend/Church leader must intervene and support

Predikant/Kerkleier moet intree en ondersteun.

Members of Council should help sort out the municipal account

Raadslede moet munisipale rekening help uitsorteer.

Take struggling EFs forward Neem sukkelende OBe vorentoe

IWRM Project Leaders

IWRM Projekleiers

Get to know local leaders and their roles Leer ken leiers en verstaan hul rolle

Monthly report to IWRM re project Maandelikse verslag aan IWRM oor projek

Newsletter for distribution to all projects Nuusbrief vir verspreiding aan alle projekte

Communication among members – share info with all members

Kommunikasie onder lede – versprei info na almal

Ask less and be more self-sufficient. Be part of the solution at projects that struggle. Network

Vra minder & wees meer selfstandig. Wees deel van die oplossing by projekte wat sukkel. Netwerk

Leaders can be trained to give support on a broader base in area

Leiers kan opgelei word om ondersteuning op ‘n breër basis in die area te gee


• Finalisation of Project Contract Documentation A letter will be sent out to each of the participating projects to set out the agreement for performance and the way forward to the end of December 2009.

• DWAF Presentation on the Way Forward The group was thanked for their open and active participation. The DWAF group felt encouraged by what the groups had brought to the table, and hoped that the encouragement had also been spread effectively to the groups themselves. Nosie encouraged everyone to keep on trying their best to make a success of their projects, no-one will be left behind, and everyon should take advantage of the support that the different IWRM roleplayers are prepared to give them. Everyone agreed that the relationships that are being built through IWRM in the Olifants Doorn, will be the stongest sustaining factor of this project.

• Workshop Closure The workshop was closed with a short note of commitment and thanks from all participants.

Members of the IWRM Project Lede van die IWRM Projek

Attend meetings Woon vergaderings by

Access info & do own proactive investigation of problems to help project achieve goals – get involved

Verwerk info en doen eie pro-aktiewe ondersoek van probleme om projek te help om doelwitte te bereik – raak betrokke

Contribute to EF Forums – give funds to Forums, so that they can do their jobs

Dra by tot OB Forums – gee fondse aan Forums, sodat hulle hul werk kan doen

Constitution of EFFs does cover contributions by members

Grondwet van OBFs vervat “contributions” deur lede

‘Boeredag’ attendance by Forums Boeredag bywoning deur Forums

Others?

Ander?

Church Leaders – need to be involved, especially in Wupperthal

Kerkleiers – moet betrokke wees, veral in Wupperthal

Commercial Farmers – give some land to the emerging farmers

Kommersiële Boere – afstaan van grond aan kleinboere

LRAD – Land Affairs – accelerate and see that it becomes a reality – be honest and show us how to go further – applications unsuccessful

LRAD – Grondsake – versnel en sien hoe word dit waar – wees eerlik en wys ons hoe om verder te gaan – aansoeke onsuksesvol

Address skills shortages to get real skills into the right positions to build up the country

Spreek tekorte in vaardighede aan en kry die regte vaardighede in die regte posisies om die land op te bou

Cape Nature – advice to EFs Cape Nature – raad aan OBe

DEADP – Information to EF’s DEADP – Inligting aan OBe

Dept Social Development – engage for Food Security

Dept Maatskaplike Ontwikkeling – help met Voedselsekuriteit


Attendance: OLIFANTS - DOORN WATER MANAGEMENT AREA : IWRM II Strand 3 Projects in Extension Phases Workshop

CITRUSDAL Date: 4 NOVEMBER 2008

ATTENDANCE REGISTER / BYWONINGS REGISTER

No.

NAAM / NAME

ORGANISASIE / ORGANISATION

POSADRES / POSTAL ADDRESS

TEL FAKS / FAX

EMAIL ADDRESS / EPOS ADRES

1 Gus Pickard 083 9782359 [email protected]

2 Diann April Clanwilliam Emerging

Farmers 35 Buitekant Street

CLANWILLIAM

3 Petronella Williams Clanwilliam Emerging

Farmers 37 Kersbos Avenue

CLANWILLIAM 084 5608516

4 Jay-Jay Williams Clanwilliam Emerging

Farmers 23 Jakaranda Street

CLANWILLIAM

5 Willem Williams Clanwilliam Emerging

Farmers Kersbos Avenue


6 Wilhelm Petro Taraqwa Emerging

Farmers 16 Oleander Avenue

CITRUSDAL 073 7013341 022 - 921 2967

7 Johanna Mouton Taraqwa Emerging

Farmers 34 Protea Close

CITRUSDAL 022 - 921 2967 022 - 921 2967

8 Lea Fransman Taraqwa Emerging

Farmers 49 Long Street

CITRUSDAL 022 - 921 2967 022 - 921 2967

9 Joseph Claase Lutzville Emerging

Farmers 116 Bluegum Street

LUTZVILLE 084 7396340 027 - 217 1407

10 Gerrit Kalemeyer Witzenberg Die Eike, P.O. Box 92

CERES 079 1846801

11 Aletta Nel Bitterfontein

Vegetables P.O. Box 167

BITTERFONTEIN 076 6156792

12 Maria Owies Lutzville Emerging

Farmers 1202 Sonneblom Street

LUTZVILLE 079 1531338

13 Len Lategan Lutzville Emerging

Farmers P.O. Box 555

LUTZVILLE 072 4185996 027 - 217 1407

14 Abraham van Rooy Lutzville Emerging

Farmers Suurrug Agriculture 027 - 492 3312


No.

NAAM / NAME

ORGANISASIE / ORGANISATION

POSADRES / POSTAL ADDRESS

TEL FAKS / FAX

EMAIL ADDRESS / EPOS ADRES

15 Magrieta Beukes Bitterfontein

Vegetables Spoorweg 40 071 3180029

16 Hendrik Klaazen Bitterfontein


BITTERFONTEIN. 8200 027 - 642 7108

17 Maria Snel Bitterfontein


BITTERFONTEIN. 8200 072 - 432 ????

18 Gert Syster Suurrug Agriculture Suurrug. WUPPERTHAL 027 - 492 3220

19 Davine Witbooi Lutzville Emerging

Farmers 1048 Suikerhoek Street

LUTZVILLE 024 - 300 3955

20 Magrieta Oktober Suurrug Agriculture Suurrug. WUPPERTHAL 027 - 492 3312 027 - 492 3312

21 Gazelle McDougall GARC MALMESBURY 022 - 482 1016

22 Andries vd Walt Swartruggens

Bewaria 021 - 886 5452

23 Mietjie Ludick Cederberg Emerging

Farmers 076 5209770 022 - 921 2967

24 Hendrik Janse Cederberg Emerging


CITRUSDAL. 7340 084 3058520 022 - 921 2967

25 Isandla Ndzima Masakhane 97 Bluegum Avenue


26 Mthuyhuz Plindebe Masakhane 97 Bluegum Avenue

CLANWILLIAM

27 M Mseza Masakhane 80 Bluegum Avenue


28 Peter Owies Doring Bay Emerging

Farmers P.O. Box 91

DORING BAY. 8151 084 8577429 [email protected]

29 Patricia Frisley Doring Bay Emerging

Farmers P.O. Box 91

DORING BAY. 8151

30 Sarah Alexander Doring Bay Emerging


DORING BAY. 8151

31 Warren Dreyer DWAF 17 Strand Street

BELLVILLE. 7530 021 - 950 7138 021 - 950 7224 [email protected]

32 Salome Horn Vukani Makhosikazi 5 St Peters Street

LAMBERTS BAY 084 2738984 027 - 432 1969

33 Nolitha Zuzani DWAF 17 Strand Street

BELLVILLE. 7530 021 - 950 7274 021 - 950 7149 [email protected]

34 Nik Wullschleger Informage WORCESTER 023 - 347 0336 023 - 347 0336 [email protected]

35 Gisela Wullschleger Informage WORCESTER 023 - 347 0336 023 - 347 0336 [email protected]


Workshop Evaluation and Feedback: Overall the workshop 25 evaluation forms that were received showed that the workshop had been positively experienced; comments included:

• Admin training (needed)

• Communication with Xhosa people, more training in marketing & management & technical side

• Computer training (needed)

• Forms in English please (needed)

• Help from DWAF & DMA

• I want to make a success of this

• Standard of workshop almost too high

• Thanks for time & support

• Very informative

.The full workshop evaluation and feedback report is available as “20081104 IWRM Workshop X’s EVALUATION and FEEDBACK Report.pdf”

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