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What’s Going On in the Euro Zone? NYU International Business Association Lunch Talk, October 10, 2012 David Backus, New York University [email protected]

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What’s Going On in the Euro Zone?

NYU International Business Association

Lunch Talk, October 10, 2012

David Backus, New York University

[email protected]

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Economics at NYU

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• These slides (soon!): link near the bottom of http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~dbackus/index_research.htm

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The Euro Zone

• What is the EZ?

• What’s going on there?

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Classic crisis triggers

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Crisis triggers

• The classic crisis triggers

– Sovereign debt (“debt crisis”)

– Financial system weakness (“financial crisis”)

– Fixed exchange rates (“exchange rate crisis”)

• What about Europe?

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Europe

• Our challenge: find a coherent story for a huge mess

• My take

– Sovereign debt problems in Greece, Portugal, Spain, Italy…

– Banking problems in Ireland, Spain, …

– “Enabled” by Euro Zone

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The European Union

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Europe and the Euro Zone

• European Union emerged from wreckage of WW II

– Closer economic ties to connect countries, maintain peace

• Short history

– Paris Treaty (1951): coal and steel community

– Treaty of Rome (1957): more extensive free trade zone

– Continued integration and expansion to the present

• The Euro Zone

– Maastricht Treaty (1993) established ground rules, ECB

– Euro launched Jan 1 1999 with 11 countries, now has 17

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The Euro Zone is different

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Common? US EU

Currency Yes Yes

Deposit insurance Yes No

Bank regulation Yes No

Fiscal policy Yes No

Political authority Yes No

Language Yes No

Olympic team Yes No

Army Yes No

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Overview

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Government debt (% of GDP)

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Source: EIU, CountryData.

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Long-term government interest rates

12Source: ECB, statistical data warehouse.

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Long-term government interest rates

13Source: ECB, statistical data warehouse.

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GDP growth

14Source: ECB, statistical data warehouse.

-8

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-4

-2

0

2

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6

8

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012

France Germany Greece Italy Spain

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Case studies

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Greece

• What’s happening in Greece?

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Greece: government debt (% of GDP)

17Source: EIU, CountryData

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2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012

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Greece: government surpluses (% of GDP)

18Source: EIU, CountryData

-20

-15

-10

-5

0

5

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012

Total Primary

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Greece

• What’s happening in Greece?

– Large government debt, suspect financial statements

– Continuing deficits (high spending, poor tax collection)

– Sharp rise in rates makes debt unsupportable

• Questions

– Why were they able to sell debt at such low rates?

– Why continued deficits in 2009-2012?

– Are endless negotiations worse than “cold turkey”?

– Would devaluation have helped?

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Spain

• What’s happening in Spain?

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Spain: government debt (% of GDP)

21Source: EIU, CountryData

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Spain: government surpluses (% of GDP)

22Source: EIU, CountryData

-12

-10

-8

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-4

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2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012

Total Primary

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Spain

• What’s happening in Spain?

– Modest debt and deficits prior to crisis

– Global downturn hit revenue hard, led to large deficits

– Larger housing boom and bust than most

– Problems with regional governments and “cajas” feeding back on sovereign debt

• Questions

– Can government recapitalize financial system without bankrupting itself?

– Will regional tensions make agreement impossible?

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Italy

• What’s happening in Italy?

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Italy: government debt (% of GDP)

25Source: EIU, CountryData

90

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100

105

110

115

120

125

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012

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Italy: government surpluses (% of GDP)

26Source: EIU, CountryData

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-4

-2

0

2

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6

8

2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012

Total Primary

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Italy

• What’s happening in Italy?

– Large debt prior to crisis, but deficits modest and primary balance is in surplus

– Problem is growth: B/Y stuck high because Y is stalled

– Rigid labor markets, other economic frictions, hurting growth

– Widely regarded as best case among troubled countries

• Questions

– What will it take to restart economic growth?

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The Euro Zone as “enabler”

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Problem #1

• Lack of fiscal discipline

• Fiscal criteria in Maastricht Treat abandoned early on

• Not credible anyway?

• Would a US-like system have worked better?

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Problem #2

• Leaks in the payments system

• “IMF without conditionality”

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Target2 balances

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Problem #3

• National bank regulation and deposit insurance

• A recipe for cross-border bank runs

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Problem #4

• Regulators gave all member debt zero risk weight

• Greek debt less risky than British debt!

• Obvious play: buy Greek debt, use as collateral for ECB loan

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Problem #5

• No exit strategy

• Gives weak countries excessive leverage

• Why give Greece a gun?

• Is Ecuador a better model?

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Problem #6

• Cumbersome political process for fiscal coordination

• Remember: political authority not centralized

• Why do we care what Finland thinks?

• The OMT/EFSF/EMS Rube Goldberg machine is on its way

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Rube Goldberg machine

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Problem #7

• Europeans associate themselves with countries, not Europe

• The United States: plural or singular?

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Where now?

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Problems – and progress

• Problems

– Common currency hard to do right

– Governance slow and cumbersome, esp fiscal actions

– Clear cost in terms of performance (Mexico v. Greece)

• Still: remarkable progress along many fronts

– Fiscal discipline catching on in most places

– OMT/EFSF/EMS shows coordination isn’t impossible

– Common bank regulation under discussion

– Odds of success? What would success look like?

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Open questions

• Will mismatch between common currency and national political authority emerge in other ways?

• Do members want integration or sovereignty?

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Lessons for others

• Common currency has great symbolic value

• But hard to do right

• Also a huge distraction from bigger issues

• Like productivity

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Extra slides

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Mexico: budget balance (% of GDP)

43Source: EIU, CountryData

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Mexico: GDP growth (%)

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Greece: budget balance (% of GDP)

45Source: EIU, CountryData

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2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012

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Greece: GDP growth (%)

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