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Page 1: Why I Do NOT Train Kids!lpt/pwrpnt/Kids.pdf · PowerPoint Presentation Author: Larry "Harris" Taylor Created Date: 5/29/2018 9:54:46 PM

Why I Do NOT Train Kids!

Larry “Harris” Taylor, Ph.D.

[email protected] Biochemist & Scuba Instructor

University of Michigan

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Risk

Benefit

Risk NEVER = 0

8 Benefit NEVER =

Everyone has a different evaluation

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“There is a nation out there

of small people

And

They are NOT like us!”

Child Psychiatrist

University of Michigan

Private Conversation

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Children do NOT

Think

Emote

Respond

Play As Adults

Act

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Caterpillars are NOT small butterflies

Children are NOT small adults

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Soap Box Warning!

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The concept of

Physically

Mentally

Psychologically

MATURE

Youngster

Oxymoron

Economic Predation

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“The

It Won’t Happen to me!

Syndrome”

Somers (1976), U of MI

Q. Are Divers being informed of risk?

A. No!

Morgan (1995) , WI Sea Grant

Study Commissioned by NSF

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The Lesson of History

Decisions based on “need to increase funding”

Often sacrifice

the best interests of the participants

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Denial of risks

can be

Very COSTLY

The Lesson of History

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End Soap Box Warning

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Concerns:

Legal

Medical

Risks

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Legal Issues

Civil

Criminal

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Legal Concerns: Civil

Denial of risk is

NOT a strong defense

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Denial of Risk

Declining Standards:

Gift from C-Card Vendors

To

Attorneys

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Legal Concerns: Criminal

Some jurisdictions MAY limit activity:

“It shall be unlawful for any person

17 years of age or younger

to engage in skin or scuba diving

Unless accompanied

by a person 21 years of age or older”

Ohio DNR

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Medical Matters

Psychological

Physiological

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“It has NOT been proved that …”

Insert ANYTHING here

Related to the “Kid’s In Diving” Topic

No Documented Studies

Demonstrating

Diving Is Harmful to Kids!

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Research that

would answer concerns:

Costly

Involves Decades

Medically Unethical

There NEVER will be!

‘cause

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Psychology

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Personality

SOME post-DCS sport divers

Show

“negative” personality shifts:

Paranoia

Depression

Dysfunctional behavior

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23 recreational divers:

14 (60%) Mood Disorders 1 yr post incident

Sutherland, et. al. (1987)

Mostly Anecdotal

Or

Commercial/Deep diving

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Change in personality

SUGGESTS

Change in brain structure

Q. Is this reason to NOT train kids?

A. It is in MY kids

NOT because of history, but

Consequences severe

Unknown dose-response curve

Risk to personality development UNKNOWN

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Concrete Thinking

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Concrete Thinking

Communication must be specific

Operations limited to defined parameters

There may be knowledge of fact

Without understanding

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Your Computer Has Crashed

No one can hear your scream

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“The appropriate response

to a life-threatening situation …

is not to burst into tears”

Carl Edmonds, MD (1996)

Coping

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Concrete Thinking

Characteristic of 7 –12 yr olds

Concrete thinkers cannot:

Consider hypothesis

Consider multiple possibilities in scenario

Systematically solve a problem

Use combinatorial logic

Transition Out of Concrete NOT until age 15-17

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The Ice & Snow Of Little River

Water 100 o F Warmer Than The Air

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Mother Nature

Rules!

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is the ability to function

beyond the concrete

SOMETIMES

the difference

between tragedy and

an awesome day of diving

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Crisis Requires Flexibility

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Concrete Thinking

Contraindication to:

Scuba Diving

Piloting a plane

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“Adolescents who begin puberty

earlier than peers appear

at greater risk for participating

in a variety of health-endangering activities”

Donald Orr & Gary Ingersoll (1995)

Puberty Onset & Risk

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Commenting on Australian

lowering age of training to 14 years old:

“Off loading the responsibility to parents

who have no practical knowledge

of the risks of scuba diving

was a reprehensible act”

Carl Edmonds, MD (1996)

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Physiology

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Equalization

Essential to diving

Failure:

Ruptured Ear Drum

Hearing loss

Vertigo

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Equalization

“The (Valsalva) manoeuvre

is difficult

for children to perform” S.E. Strangerup, MD. (1998)

Kid Adult

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“Only 6 % of children with

negative middle ear pressure after

flight managed a

successful Valsalva”

S.E. Strangerup, MD. (1998)

Equalization

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“a poor ability to equilibrate negative pressure

is a fundamental deficit

of Eustachian tube function”

(in children under 12 years of age)

Anita Bylander-Goth, MD, Ph.D.

Cecilia Stenstrom, MD, Ph.D. (1998)

Equalization

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Concern

Combination

Small, horizontal Eustachian tubes

Equalization difficulty

Poor Instruction

Forceful Valsalva

SUGGESTS

Increased risk for ear barotraumas

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PFO’s

Present in 10-30 % Adults

Forceful Valsalva

Bubbles can move thru opening

Into arterial circulation

APPEARS TO BE

Correlation between

PFO and cerebral DCS

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Concern

Difficulty equalizing ear pressure

PFO correlation to Cerebral DCS

Young tissue more likely injured

SUGGESTS

Increased risk to CNS damage

Younger at greater risk

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How much Risk?

Too much for ME

To assume!

Most likely will be

determined

by a jury

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Skeletal System

Changes in pO2

alter skeletal soft tissue formation

CONCERN:

The effect on

developing tissue is unknown

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Pulmonary System

Air passages narrower

in comparison to cavity space

SUGGESTS

Increased risk to barotraumas

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Children Are Easily Chilled

Easily Solved:

Shorter Individual Exposures

Thermal Protection Garments

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Chlorinated Pools

“frequent swimming in “polluted water”

(rivers and chlorinated pools)

before the age of 15 significantly

increased risk of melanoma”

Nelmans, et. Al. (1994)

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“Decompression Fatigue”

Divers on Oxygen Enriched Air “Feel Better”

Theory:

Inert gas movement in and out of cell

is the source of fatigue

CONCERN

“mechanical stress” on kid cells unknown

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Oxygen “Bad Stuff”

Highly Reactive Oxygen Species

Increase in pO2 increases right side of equation

Problems occur whenever

“Bad Stuff” overwhelms body defenses

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Concern

Highly Reactive Oxygen Species:

Powerful mutagens

Profound metabolic mediators

Effect, if any, on

development is unknown

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Recommendations

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SPUMS

recommendation:

Minimum age

for training = 16

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“It is incumbent on physicians

performing examinations

on adolescent divers

to be somewhat overcautious”

Mark Dembert, MD, MPH

Julian Keith, MD

US Navy Physicians

Am J. Diseases of Children (1987)

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Recommendations

“Rigorous standards should be applied

to pediatric applicants …

higher minimum age requirements

(should be) be considered”

Dembert & Keith

Scuba Divers and Physicians

Sports Medicine (1986)

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waiting ‘till

child can drive family’s

most expensive car to the training site

Consider

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Adolescence, like pregnancy

is a survivable,

temporary situation

&

Perhaps, in the long-term,

it’s best to abstain from diving

until the condition is past.

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Participation

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“Primitive Brain”

We are land critters

We do NOT breathe water

Primitive brain needs TIME to adapt

To water environment

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“Quantum Point”

Student exits water with Cheshire Cat grin

Grin reflects:

Comfort

Accomplishment

Mastery of environment

b-endorphins

D fos (?)

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“I get high

By

Going down”

Barefoot Man

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Quantum Point

NEVER

LESS THAN

16 hours pool time

100 minutes open water

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Adaptation

The shorter the training,

The further from “quantum point”

The less likely to adapt

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Consider

Masks, fins snorkel

are the mainstay

Child: Swimming & Skin diving

Adolescent: Skin Diving

Young Adult: Scuba

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Let The

Endorphins

Flow!

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“I have covered too many

father-child double fatalities

to buy into

decreasing the age”

(of scuba training) Jim Caruso, MD

US Navy DMO

DAN Fatality Consultant

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Choose Wisely

The Risk is NEVER zero

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Dive Long

And

Prosper!