Addiction and ADHD

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Mike: I’m the first guest

Miah: You’re not the first , I thought I fooled you but I guess you realize you’re not the first

Mark: Mike you were my first, Mike Jurgenson.

Miah: I’ll take sloppy seconds of time

Mark: It’s a kid’s program

Miah: Oooh, Alright hi! Mike

Mike: Hi!

Mark: Welcome to the T.S.O and the distracted podcast. We’re gonna have a great topic today. I think our listeners will be excited about it and very relevant ahhm to those with ADHD and so preinterdictions of Mike

T.S.O and distracted podcast

Miah: It’s a serious topic

Mark: It’s a serious topic

Miah: If you’re gonna watch on this program it’s a stretch

Mark: That’s tough for us, so

Miah: Were gonna dig deep

Mark: Act like adult and take on addiction and ADHD, Mike Jurgenson is the owner of the STEPS recovery and they’ve got several facilities around helping people with addiction Mike: Several meaning two

Mark: More than one Mike.

Helping cure addiction

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Mike: Okay,

Miah: Like I have several ears and some eyes

Mike: They listen to this huh?

Miah: Yeah you’d be shocked

Mark: We are

Miah: Oh my gosh

Mark: Okay so you’ve got ahm two and soon to be three recovery centers. The STEPS recovery and you got into this for for ahh…

Mike: Personal Reasons

Recovery centers

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Mark: And that is that a prerequisite for recovery centers that you had been an addict to be in recovery…

Mike: No I don’t think so

Mark: Is that common

Mike: Very common

Mark: Yeah

Mike: Quiet common

Miah: I’m gonna set to I’m set as well

Mark: I just wondered, if when you do you’re stay paper work and application to open a recovery center, if you have to you know ahm the application check the box if I was once an addict…

Recovery from addiction

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Mark: It’s not like ADHD where those with ADHD might have unique perspective and be helpful. Probably it’s like that, though I mean you’re symphatetic, emphatetic in a way someone who hasn’t struggled.

Mike: Everybody who has gone through treatment at one time has the desire says I’m gonna open one of these. Either they look at these could be lucrative or they wanna save the world, yeah.

Mark: Yeah right, okay so let’s… well… get into the topic in just a minute. Let’s open the show with our usual… we’ll try to be really fast for those who don’t like hearing the rules every show and we know there’s some of them out there… so the few rules of the show.

Miah: We know there’s some of them out there who sends us messages they said they don’t like hearing the rules so for…

Mark: They do say they like the rules

Miah: They just don’t like hearing it everytime

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Mark: Let’s drag it out…

Mike: Same rules

Miah: Rule no. 1

Mark: Rule no. 1 we reserve the right to be wrong, Rule No.2 we reserve the right to change our minds and free speech is practiced here. We reserve the right to offend anyone and ohh you’re wearing a shirt that would offend half of American men it’s golf

Miah: Actually offend a 100% of men depending on where you react, which is the very point of the shirt

Mark: Yes you are not shy about it.

Miah: The shirt doesn’t make a statement about golfing or being gay it’s just a statement about everyone just like nut

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Miah: We’re losing Mike

Mark: We’ve lost Mike already, happens to be ADHD and has dealt with, struggled with, succeeded with that you’re whole life.

Mike: Yes I have

Mark: And for you

Mike: Didn’t call that one when I was little my dad was always saying he says I’ll send you out to a phedicology see that there’s no water in the horse trackers go get the hose put water into the horse drop and then you the trackers put away and you sit there for hours doing nothing and you come back forgot what he’s saying and after you’re doin and ahm

Mark: Now did he call it ADHD?

Struggled yet succeeded

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Mike: No they didn’t call it that thing

Mark: Just stupid little

Mike: What are you stupid?

Mark: And and there is the curse as soon as the kid believes yeah that things some stupid

Mike: No dad never, I never, dad never made me believe I was stupid

Mark: Don’t worry about that he’s never gonna hear this show anyway Mike

Mike: Well who was this signing was Bellen Bullet says my mom was great my dad was wonderful I'm just a shit so I mean so that’s kind of my problem

Mark: I’ve meet you’re your parents and you’re right they’re great people,

Treat the kids well

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Mike: Easy entertainment and so properly channeled that I’ve been able to properly channel… I mean everyone’s know all my life

Mark: No several successful companies and completely unrelated areas and you.

Mike: Again to but thank you

Mark: Yeah, you tried to bring in great guest and do your best as a host and pump him up and Mike won’t let you

Mike: I’ll keep him honest

Mark: Somebody’s got it

Mike: He’s gonna edit that part out anyways

Being successful in unrealated areas

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Mark: No, No we don’t edit anything but the things they don’t like

Miah: Only edit after a slight we really got

Mike: Made a disclaimer I didn’t notice, we’re visiting downstairs and Mark was my neighbor his whole family was… he say I was his first and only employer which I didn’t know that so

Mark: Yeah

Mike: I am honored

Mark: Yeah, I work for Mike

Mike: Your whole family, your whole family worked for Mike

Working for Mike

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Mark: Mowing your lawn and then that’s right my whole family end up working for you, it’s because you we’re the rich guy in the neighborhood

Mike: Yeah I got the hot wife and you guys always end up “come over and look at it”

Mark: But she might come out and bring you sandwiches and that was worth mowing the lawn.

Miah: So getting back to ahh where were we again

Mark: ADHD, ADHD and Addiction, statistically and there’s so many studies anymore. You almost just pick your favorites and what we tried to do our best at is to pick 5 or 6 good reputable studies and average them because just oh my gosh, who did the study and was their agenda and there is your outcome but in addiction and ADHD, all the studies agree which is very rare despite who did it but they all agree that those with ADHD are far more likely to abuse drugs or suffer from some sort of addiction and as we took the several numbers of studies, it’s 3 times not twice as likely to use drugs which would be bad enough, we’re three times more likely to struggle with addiction.

Good reputable adhd studies

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Mike: And here’s the thing that I have learned these that most people, when they think of a drug addict they think of some loser. When these guys are scarily, is that the word, intelligent, we have way above average IQ’S and intelligence which is sadly…

Mark: That makes it easier to get drugs,

Mark: We’re creative.

Mike: We’re creative. We can… I mean those who are listening that have drug addict children, you’ve been manipulated and we hear all the time he has so many talents. If he could just stops using drugs and that’s true they do.

Mark: Well and you hear that with ADHD in general, you say oh yeah I’m struggling with my kid because of this, on this, on this on the list to the typical subjects and it’s always followed by what at are you so good at or she’s so talented and she’s so intelligent.

Potencial in drug addicts

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Miah: It’s almost like the never ending story of unfulfilled potential. Right? The potential they have is amazing. Flashes of brilliance but then they’re covered by whatever addiction or whatever challenge

Mark: You know if you believe there’s an ultimate evil in the world, I think you would try to take these hyper-intelligence, hyperactive mind, the ADHD kids and convince them they are broken so that they end up self-medicating causing problems instead of doing good

Mike: Well, well there’s the point. The irony of all this is that the medicine the ADHD right on is meth basically and so you’ve given these people three times more likely to be a drug addict.

Mark: Right

Mike: That doesn’t go well either like I speak on my own personal experiences it always doesn’t work.

Miah: And I’ve always found that the argument

The medicine of adhd

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Miah: Well it’s just, those that are trying to sell the meds, those that have their kids on the meds and again on this show we always say “hey look sometimes kids need some sort of medication as a crouch to temporarily help him” we’re not against it, we’re painfully and strongly against medication as the first step which tends to be society’s or permanent fixture in their life. And you know you always… I spoke at a conference just last weekend for the state of Utah for the welfare, I’ll think of it here at a second, child welfare services and they deal with ADHD a lot. And someone came up to me after and says, you know you talk about the meds and I have a kid that’s on the meds and we understand that but the problems is… and Mike you said from your experience, you run a recovery center. The truth of the matter is you can walk in to just about any recovery center and talk about addiction and drugs and ADHD and getaway drug that ADHD medication can be and anyone that’s actually living in the world taking these people in and helping them recover will tell you yep it’s the getaway drug.

Proper medication

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Mike: I don’t know that. I have seen this getaway drug and I don’t know that people start… well I just speak about my own experience, so I have that he’s had using problems he’s was medicating for not just a proper topic to go on, white people use drugs and start medicating but he has ADHD and he was giving him… you know pill form and of course he liked them and we found a stick of sticker on his arm it’s a meds that come in stickers they’re not abusable, they can’t really abuse them. Mom puts them on, sticks them on, and on schools days she’d put a patch on and go after school and when he wasn’t in school he didn’t like to take them because he didn’t really like what they did to him, like he said the sticker didn’t work and I’m just my evil ahh what’s the term I can’t think of it I’m so back of everybody.

Mark: Right

Mike: He didn’t like the patches coz it didn’t stop them like the pills did, they don’t work you know, yeah,

Mark: Supposed to get by

Wrong way of treating adhd

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Mike: Going to a doctor and they try to give you, you know lortabs and he says you know we’re coding, you know he says last night I really like it seemed to work well percus something, percu, percudania that’s it.

Mark: Yeah, I couldn’t think about it, what it was despite the fact that’s been on my mind for forty-eight hours straight.

Mike: And I have a daughter that P.A that’s kinda, I heard funny people commences percu then some muscular action likes sooo something soma yeah that’s it soma

Mark: So for you, It’s, it’s belongs that are using medication think they take away there is try to give it in a format that can’t be abused

Mike: If you have to, If you have to, im really gonna get into trouble

Mark: I think I see you squirming in your seat, which makes a great folk around

Abusing the medication drug

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Mike; I don’t think, it’s hot in here you got a fan or something. So, so I have kids on both side of this and you know they’re entertaining I mean this, they’re fun.

Mark: For not good for anything else, at least for good for a laugh

Mike: I’ve learned to live this, she’s learned to live with it and I have to do that. I have to plot against myself or I make a list that’s why I’m sitting here working on my list and I think of something which I always do instead stop what I’m doing to start on that I just write it on the bottom of the list.

Mark: You know it’s a great tip to do, I found the same thing if I don’t write it down my mind won’t let go of it and it becomes a distraction that’s in a way and I said before I say again every great business I’ve had and every great little product of invention was a distraction. It was something I should have been doing. It was something that popped in my head when I should have been focused on something else and so I learned to embrace on my distractions. And in this case, you get a distraction that pops in it may have been helpful and if you write it down, it let’s your mind know I can let go of it coz he’ll get back to it. If you don’t write it down that distraction that creeped into your mind and occupies all your time and you’re no longer listening to the board meeting or doing what else it was you’re supposed to be doing

Getting distracted

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Miah: Right, I’ve got a question for you, so you mention that I can relate on a personal level but that drugging and and drugs it helps occupy your mind, helps fill that kind of hunger on the part of your brain that to be busy but when you came out of recovery in the sober living how did you satisfy that part of adhd

Mike: Recovering is sober living

Mark: You’re always on recovery, is that what you’re saying

Miah: How did you satisfy that part, how did you learn to satisfy that part of your ADHD?

Mike: I’ve accepted it as a gift not a curse. This is why you guys, this is the drama you two have been be, that ADHD has one of my great qualities now it’s no longer my curse, it’s cool that I have thoughts call through I’m sitting here looking around the room these shiny things you got, your jewelry and your picture of your beautiful family and I’m sitting here thinking all these things trying to pay attention to what you guys are saying so I can actually participate and I looked at that now as a gift not as a curse or something that I have to medicate so I can be normal.

Being positive in life

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Mark: You know, that’s a great, great point and very well said and for our listeners by the way not set up if you haven’t listen to our podcast until two minutes of our podcast before you sit down you join us as a guest and you think you’d be listening to everyone and you know Mike would correct me it that wasn’t true.

Mike: That is true. I’ll keep your minds folks

Miah: So if Mike listens to two minutes of podcast that means you’ve listened to several podcasts

Mike: What? No Mark, he told me how to download one was very funny when he told me how to download one and I did this over this morning I download this one you’re was so proud of it when and I just kind of lost the interest and was happy for him.

Mark: That one we cut out

Mike: Moving on.

Listening to the podcast

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Mark: You know I’d be interested to find out how many of our listeners are ADHD and how many are the parents or spouse or the loved ones with ADHD and I have to say it’s probably… if you went of who actually writes us letters and sends us message it’s about 50 what you can’t help wonder if the show is entertaining for the ADHD here and I think the ADHD listener tip, listen to the show driving down the road because if you don’t have something else going on find something else going on let this occupy your brain when your brain is being occupied

Mike: You have anything else better to do?

Mark: Yes.

Mike: That made perfect sense, that made perfect sense yeah I listen to books on tape because I’m driving and..

Mark: And you’re not gonna sit down and read one

Helping the adhdier

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Mark: Yeah, yeah, I had a call into our hotline by the way which is 855-ADDGIFT. If you wanna call in we will record the message you’re given permission for it in the air but if you wanna call into the show for a question we’ll tackle who had a call in a a listener just commented hey by the way I can’t wait to read addicts and millionaires but you need to know I’ll never read Addicts and Millionaires the day it set out on audio book I listen to it three times so that is coming out soon hopefully in about thirty days.

Miah: Hey Mike Do, wouldn’t your guys maybe stream in our programs others using out there does ADHD come into that part of the conversation people given the treatment and acknowledgement of ADHD isn’t that a newer thing isn’t that out there yet?

Mike: Oh No, oh most they know, the kids show, we’re not, we’re not enlighting anything they don’t already know, they realize they had it..

Miah: And what is their perception of ADHD and themselves having it, is it that they are broken that they have a disorder, is it that they have brain damage or is it they say I’m brilliant I have ADHD and I think differently than other people.

Addicts and millionaires

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Mike: All of the above, some of them all, I think, I don’t involve myself a lot with the clinical side,I’m not probably the best person to answer that question.

Mark: You know I, All of the above is what you’re going to see when you read on the book the interviews Fifty Addicts and Fifty Millionaires from the book Addicts and Millionaires. And when we finished writing the book, we put or posted kinda posted some kind of edition into the cover it says sometimes it’s Addicts or Millionaires, sometimes both. We have a strong propensity to abuse substances or self medicate somehow, we’re addictive personalities and we’re also have this brains that go so fast and we come up a lot of things that we tend to be successful in business or trading and you’re gonna get both sides of that specially when it comes wether to as gift or curse, it seemed to me one thing that was instant on the book at all millionaires we interview but we didn’t interview ADHD millionaires we just out fifty millionaires they have to be self made millionaires because what’s the point of interviewing a guy that inherited his money we’re not gonna learn what he learned to get there but self created success and of all those ADHD 100% of self made millionaires with ADHD said it was a gift and that had been a curse, a curse to grow up with but now they say ADHD Gift or curse, Gift is the first thing out of the mouth and then it was but it has challenges but usually when you pressed on those challenges what were the challenges?

Adhd millionaires

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Mark: The challenge was the perception of others towards them early on and added on to that perception of themselves is being broken and having to overcome that and it wasn’t totally overcame the I’m broken because doctors said so or mom said so, or school teacher said so, or society said so they had to overcome that and that’s where they had to start finding success they started to go, one of the interviewers who build that technology company and I won’t bring it up because I haven’t ask his permission to talk about it in the air but he made over a hundred million dollars over his tech company build a new idea haven’t done before and I asked him about the ADHD impact and he says look the ADHD, accepting the ADHD as my gift and living in the nile was a requisite to my success was a pre-requisite, what you mean living in the nile? He said I have to deny my ADHD and I found when he said this, I did the same thing. He had to say I, he didn’t told me I was ADHD he was medicated for ADHD and to accept that was to accept somehow I was broken or inadequate, or incapable or less than and if that’s true how can you be truly successful. So he says, he live in the nile, I lived in the nile my entire life I finally just told people im not ADHD, we’ll yes you are, no I’m not they were wrong the test was wrong, the doctor was wrong and my parents we’re wrong and when employee’s would say dude you’re so ADHD stay focused, I’d look at them and say no I’m not and don’t you ever say it again. And it’s after he find out of that success and he could lean on his success as evidence to the fact he wasn’t broken then he could accept his ADHD.

Overcome the challenges

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Mark: So it was, so it was and, and when he said I can latch I did the same thing, I would tell I’m not ADHD forget what, I was diagnosed as everyone kept reminding because all of our listeners kept reminded on the regular basis somebody says that there’s the joke and they mean it to be funny and we laugh because if we can’t laugh ourselves we just cry but the reality is inside it breaks you down and makes you feel less than and I did the same thing, I tell people I’m not ADHD and inside you’d cry a little and that defiant little child said ohh if I am it doesn’t matter and it wasn’t that when I found success that I can look back and be honest and say yeah I’m totally have adhd. Crazy adhd mind in five places at once and it has been my gift and it’s we shouldn’t have to, I guess there’s out of that hole long rant Mike and Miah it’s sad that kids have to lies about what kind of brain they have just to say they’re worth can stay alive, stay alive to reach out and dream.

Miah: In one set the concept of inspite of my ADHD another is because of my ADHD, right?

Mark: Right, yeah that’s the great point there’s the Ph.D says that ADHD wholely occurs and to think different is the disturbance of the world, right, now say there are tons of successful people with ADHD and they are successful inspite of their ADHD. But if you interview these people with ADHD that have been really successful they’ll disagree with that they’ll say no I am successful in whole or at least in part because of my ADHD not inspite of having it.

Overcome the challenges

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Mike: Okay, here’s my comment. I think ADHD gives a negative connotation an overactive brain could go either way it’s either a good thing or could be a bad thing or a brain of genius. Remember Einstein he was always your retarded you’re less through that and bail him and because he had..

Mark: He was so different

Mike: He was different he had such overactive brain, he was perceived as crazy this might not be the appropriate form to talk about that is it.

Mark: No, this is perfectly appropriate.

Mike: How many of your listeners I know I’m popular in this room it’s every mushrooms or you know he has but does the same things it’s just they say great man of wisdom learned on this things using LSD because it’s,

Mark: Mind altering

Overactive brain

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Mike: Oh it’s nuts, I think it’s nuts. And that’s the less gonna say it’s kind of same thing as when this people brings they’re out there you know it’s help people perceive what we are and if we buy into it, when you’re successful you develop an attitude, I’m talking ‘bout you Mark, I don’t really care what people think about me anymore, but when you’re struggling and not struggling you care deeply about people

Mark: And Have to be in denial about certain truths about myself just to emotionally live

Mike: When these millionaires that you interviewed, you know now that they are successful, they’re, most of them really is not concerned about what people think about them as what they were when weren’t successful

Mark: Oh, there’s a lot of truth and I think ultimately the hope is that everybody learns to find their own success and in the mean time if you can’t accept what we are trying to say that ADHD is both a gift and a curse and let’s manage the curse and magnify the gifts if you can’t accept that then be in denial about your ADHD. I’m not a therapist, counselor and cannot legally give advice or held responsible

Finding success

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Miah: Please do not do the things that we tell you to do

Mike: And the opinions expressed here do not represent

Miah: Wait did I say stop recovery, I actually meant something entirely different

Mark: Oh, isn’t that sad that we actually live in a day that are fearful to express an opinion just because of lack of structured education, the fact that we could read all the same books and read all the same studies and arguably read them with more intent and passion then somebody try to pass a college course but because we didn’t actually do it in college we are so afraid to even voice our opinions that’s just wrong.

Mike: It’s not our day and age coz back into the biblical claims, I don’t think that’s anything for our generation Mark: You know what that’s a good point the hearsays you’re refering of.

Mike: People have always feed of people we’re different

Expressing opinions

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Mark: No on one of our episodes we have that podcast about a chicken that was getting picked to death that was one of Miah’s chicken.

Miah: That exactly… you and I at each other we’re thinking the exact same thing in my sneak and might have them stabbed

Mark: Give us short version of that just for a question

Mike: Yeah we have a chicken. A little white chicken that a black spot on it the other chicken stated picking that spot till it became red. And then they all piled on and picked and picked and picked that chicken because it was different than other chicken there

Miah: And it’s where we get the term hand picking, it’s common for chicken to find that one chicken that has that one different thing and you gotta be real careful if there is some chickens to cover up those spots look differently a little red wound or something .

Different from others

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Mark: And ADHD quite often sadly today since it’s not wildly accepted as a gift that can be

Mike: I think it’s starting to be.

Mark: It is more and more and it used to be that all therapist and Doctors and counselor said ADHD is a curse and needs to be cured or is not curable

Mike: Manage

Mark: Manage, and now you see doctors Ph.D.’s those with permission to have opinions on both sides of that argument, You’ll find them on both sides and that’s I think that’s awesome

Mike: One last thing and then look at your watch so it must be time to go to the addict out there ritalin is not a good soultion for your ADHD you can’t for an addict I’ll be speaking about me coz I’m not supposed to talk about them. It’s anything that you know it’s mind altering effect eventhough speed or or myth was never my drug of choice it became my drug of choice when it became okay for me to use it because the doctor gave it to me I end up with the same disastrous result.

Negative impression of adhd

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Mark: Yeah the outcome at the end is the same disastrous outcome.

Mike: So if you’re an addict or you have an addict that you know it’s little is not gonna help you it’s just gonna it’s just going to fire up all the things in your brain that you know knowledge the victim does or the substance

Mark: And once you’re an addict you will convince yourself that it does help you so that you can keep taking it, I mean it’s like pain pills

Mike: When I first took it my history without a drinking problem came out with a drug problem when they hey I got sober I never had a pill problem hurt my back about the game got a pain pills and muscle reactors and I thought I found the holy yeah

Mark: The holy grayle and then you have back pains the real back pains so that you have no guilt

Becoming dependent on pills

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Mike: Yeah my brain keep telling people says you know what did you do your back pain so I stop telling my brain that things I stop rewarding my brain by telling me the things hurt things not hurting it’s a fact that drug addicts has more aching pains surprise me to tell you it hurts gonna get guilt for doing so it was the same thing the first time I took ritalin I remember taking it thinking hey this is wonderful I’m gonna keep taking this I don’t wanna abuse this because this is so wonderful I don’t wanna have to stop taking it four days later I’m starting the damn thing and I had been to bed for three days

Jeremiah: In my generation you know Gen-x frost it’s atherol

Mike: So that’s ritalin same thing

Jeremiah: Yeah same thing atherol has same and my friend is prescribed atherol in highschool and this is back in mid 90’s, He actually had to go San francisco to special doctor to get his 90 day refill because they didn’t prescribe it readily when atherol first came out and boy we just stole pills from him and that was

Mark: That was only because you’re adhd and you needed your medication and your parents won’t give you

Taking Ritalin

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Jeremiah: I remember, Mike I remember thinking to myself this is how I should feel, I feel I’m alive for the first time I’m really alive

Mark: This is what everybody else feels like? No no only when of course you feel good. Alright I think that’s a great spot to kind of stop that discussion and I think and I hope our listeners learned a lot from that I thought that was a great insights Mike I wanna thank you for being on the show

Mark: We gonna go onto our uneducated segment

Jeremiah: Which today is people are lazy and increasingly so as the generation past

Mark: Oh man how do you uneducate that because it seems so true but it’s not

Jeremiah: Back in my day we know how to work we had to walk to school in five inches of snow uphill in both ways

The uneducated segment

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Mark: You know we really we talked about I think it seems like maybe not one of this podcast but you and I have talked a lot about how difficult it is to find employees that know how to work. And you almost work with the willing anymore and so you hear a lot of people latching on to the fact that it’s hard to find people to work you work with the willing and kids this days are entitled and on and on and on. And so it seems like the comment people are lazy and increasingly so in this generation that’s seem so true but Miah it’s really not I don’t believe for a second people are lazy, people have forgotten how to dream and if there isn’t a reward if there isn’t something at the end of the tunnel if there isn’t a reason to work why would you and to say lazy. Lazy to me is like okay something could be done but they don’t do it anyway. Something could be done that can be better somebody’s life but they wont that’s not the case if there’s something can be done to be better someone’s life if they believe that it wil better their life if they believe that there’s a reward worth the effort they will do it.

Jeremiah: And we talked about this earlier it’s something that it’s a methapor that I always use and that is people like water take the path of this resistance and that’s neither good nor bad it just is the path of this resistance is what let Henry Ford to build an assembly line.

People are lazy and increasingly so

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Mark: Because it was the quickest way to get a whole bunch of vehicles to market in a short amount of time he wasn’t lazy he actually found the better way you know it can almost be an uneducated segment except the path of least resistance it’s just simply a true principle people that think that’s a bad thing in all cases are the ones that need to get re-educated

Jeremiah: Well it’s tight to laziness right? People I think the perception of the generation of growing laziness is only because the paths of least resistance are so easy in modern western society, Meaning society is so easy there you can get checks in the mail or from the government or whatever

Mark: Right, and this is gonna offend people but you know I spent some time in Africa we’ve done humanitary stuff over in africa and in some of the countries that you out over there the reality is the wealthiest among them don’t live as well as people on welfare in America, On welfare in America you still have electricity you might even have a roof in your head you have running water in your house and the toilet I mean comparing to Africa not wanting to be little the blight of those that feel like that they don’t have enough but in the grand scheme the things on a global scale you cant have it rough here.

Finding the better way

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Mark: And so here’s what it comes down to two things one people take the path of least resistance if you create a path that has no resistance they probably gonna end up on it and it’s not because they’re lazy in fact it’s quite opposite its just that their doing what we do in business you could say the path of lease resistance is evil I was like no no no, If I can choose between let say working with one manufacturer supplier that’s always a pain in the butt always late difficult to deal with and more meetings than production or I can work with a manufacturer that gets things done on time and it’s pleasant and easy to work with I’m gonna take the path of lease resistance because I want to be successful the only time that this might not be true is in fitness and exercise path of lease resistance leads to small arms and big belly’s so take that understanding that people are like water they generally take the path of lease resistance that’s not always a bad thing and then put into the fact that has stop dreaming I don’t believe for a second somebody that sits around and collects a welfare check is lazy I do believe that for whatever reason they have forgotten how to dream or the path has become so easy that there’s no reason to work it’s already there I could use kids in my own family to be lease offensive if I help my kids a lot and I let them put them to work and I help teach them to work but there are times that I gave them stuff just flat for free and I am doing them a disservice

Path of lease resistance

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Jeremiah: Right and I wanna take you back to the society you know people are quote to quote lazy and whether that’s kids lazy in school people you know they are the same people came from out of the country that do jobs in America just wont do or whatever the phrase is people on welfare are just lazy in collecting the checks again I don’t think that’s the case I think it’s the case of individuals not seeing vision of who they could be

Mark: They’re not lazy they forgotten how to dream

Jeremiah: They forgotten who they are and that they unlimited potencial as individuals and that’s the onlyn way people get motivated

Mark: There has to be a reward and if the reward comes without effort then there’s no motivation so I don’t know

Jeremiah: And lazy is a subjective term

Forgotten how to dream

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Jeremiah: So I have one quick story this happen just last week I was at a conference in Dallas Texas for a group called leading age by the way fantastic group non profit care providers in the long term care space free plug whatever leading age they deal with helping skilled nursing providers another providers come up with a basically come together and innovate and you know many is stronger than one in providing ways to care for elders in the nursing home industry so I went out to dinner industry dinner and one of the nursing home providers brought two of the residents with them the gentlemen I was sitting next to paratrooper world war two battle of the bulge spent weeks in the frozen ground in a fox hole in the snow as friends around him were bleeding and dying and you know what I ask him we have a long conversation about five times I just said you know Mr. Collin it’s just an honor to meet you and sit next to you and he would just smile it was amazing I said that probably five or six time during that night but at one point in our conversation we talked about how hard world war two was and life growing up I said do you believe that this generation now would even remotely do what you guys did? And without hesitations turning his head absolutely and then he also said and there were no other options you know have an option to parachute into Belgium and go to war and he said absolutely they would stand up for me that took me back because I was under impression that this generation is lazy

Story of greatness

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Mark: This generation just hasn’t had the opportunity to really stand up for something great we stand up for the silliest things I mean you see people get passionate and screaming in the streets and painting their naked bodies for some message or awareness of some kind or another and I’m like really? That’s your flight to the world is that you and I’m not picking on a group I’m just saying by the way of extreme example you got naked and painted your body to raise awareness for that life is so good for you that that’s the cause you have to stand up for wow take a trip to some third world countries would you for a little bit and see what really and stand up and do something for something important

Jeremiah: And you go all the way to the extremes of to the point where in our society we have cows that are vandalising billboards all of America’s can eat more chicken I mean that is

Mark: The billboards, those cows don’t move much they generally stand still I’m not sure Miah if they are real Jeremiah: I’m not trying to offend their cause and cows if you hear me eating more chicken is great and chickens cows are good too

Stand up for something

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Mark: Yes I like to enjoy eating both cows and chickens

Jeremiah: Somehow that’s associate of the laziness but that’s uneducated segment this generation is not lazy their just

Mark: They have forgotten how to dream and or whatever principality they belong to whether it’s the family believe in value system or their city or their country believe in value system is such and they adopted the principality that and living in a society where it’s so easy that’s there’s no reason to get up and work and that’s not a problem with the people it’s the policies and laws and rules that make it so easy to do nothing I believe that all Americans would stand up for greatness if they believe there is a reward and I believe they would all stand up for something and work for something if it wasn’t just give it to him even if they didn’t

Jeremiah: That’s right and so how that boils in down to all of us. Give other generation a chance and teach them if they haven’t been taught work if they haven’t taught to dream then teach them be a mentor

This generation is not lazy

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Mark: If you wanna be active about something get active if you wanna an activist on something become an activist on helping people get back to work become an activist on helping teach people that there is actually is reward for and a value in an honest days work for an honest days pay and that is achievable because I’m I fear so many people that are percieve as lazy aren’t lazy they just haven’t believed that it was possible so lets make it possible, that is the end of our uneducated segment people aren’t really lazy they have not been given ean opportunity to dream and we need more dreamers out there and if adhd is anything it’s a bunch of dreamers

Jeremiah: I was gonna say what about the doers

Mark: The dreamers and the doers

Jeremiah: Somehow will find it the rainbow connection

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Getting active

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