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WASHINGTON- A pri­vate investigator Richard Bast. says former White House aide Charles Colson thinks that President Nixon is a prisoner of the CIA, the military, billionaire Howard Hughes and of his own aides.

But Colson said yester­day that his talk with Bast was exploratory and largely conjectural.

"We talked in a very off­hand fashion, largely ex­ploring theories for many of whkh I have been unable to obt~in factual support," Colson sald. "The state­ments r made to Bast, some of which appear to be accu­rately quoted, should not therefore be read into any other context."

Colson, who pleaded guil­ty June 3 to a charge of ob­structing justice in the Ells­berg case, said he had In­formed the Watergate pros­ecution of his theories, ac­cording to Bast.

"The prosecutors- have all this stuff. They haven't touched iL They've gone out of their way not to," Bast quoted Colson as say­ing.

Sources in the prosecu­tion declined comment on Colson's statements, but in­dicated that they believe that the White House, not

the CIA. t:< prtnlarily in- think that Bebe used that valved in Watergate. $100,000 for himself and for

These were among Col- the President, his family son's other allegations, as and the girls and my worst quoted by Bast: supposition is that the Pres-

• Nixon is "a president ident thinks, if he really who is weak and under at- b I o w s this thing, that tack" and "is scared as hell Hughes can hlow the whis­to alien tale the military and tie on him. Who knows if foreign policy establish- .....;Wll~~~Q!i!.~o1i.L.IJ:O~~~"~~ ments." e Mrs. Dorothy Hunt,

Bast said be asked Col- killed in a plane ct'ash in son: "Because of a coup?" Chicago in 1972 "was on

Colson replied: "Yes." the CIA payroll the da~ she e Colson said that he died," Colson said.

thought Nixon had received "[ don't say this to many some of a $100,000 pay- people because they think ment made to his friend. C. I'm nuts.J think the\' iuJI«N G. (Bebe) Rebozo, and on Dorothy Hnpt. I really do. t h a l account could be lC1rs. Hunt said that Water­blackmailed. · gate was a CIA operation,

"You want to know what but she worked for the CIA I really think?" Colson was to the day she di " quoted as saying. "I'm loyal e o ecret Service to the guy because he's a men are in the CIA, too, friend, but I think Hughes d Nixon is surrounded b paid Bebe that dough. I these guys," Colson said.

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• . 1-trs. HlJNT stated that at the present time she · believes her lrusband to be employed at the w"hite House as a con!'c:ultant, at the Robert R. Hullen Ccmpany as· a l.Titer e.nd holding an unkr.own position with the Committee to Re-Elect

. the President. Mrs. HUNT stated that in the Spring of 1.972, her husband made two trips to !·~EU!li, Floc-ida, &nd one trip to ·- '-~"'> Los Angeles, Calif-ornia, for li'hat she believed to be negotiations :~,~ concerning the change of the Republlca..'l National Convention ,_<,:

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. . .... r-Jrs. hlJNT ztated that she last saw her husband on May 31, 1972, 't;'hen she departed "With he"t· daughter for a · ·>·'?";;,;,. ·vacat:!.on tour of Europe. Hrs. h"lJNT stated that she last .··::~~:~~~ spoke to her husbond on June 21, 1972, by phone in London, ... _ England, and he advi.zed her that there -was a· "proplem" here in .. ··; :;~:-: Washington an<:] that he l·ms goi~g to go to Nev Ym:,.k, Nev York, to do tel~sion co=ercials. 1-lrs. HUNT stated that her husband clai~ed that there was considerable haressment from reporters and that he was· going to Nev York, Ne7 York, to do . :· '::/"{. the television c~ercial and th~ go on a vacation for a fev

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·::-:·iroNT was last issued Passport B-1811567 at Washington, D.C. · (WDC), on July 21, 1971, for proposc:d business travel for one

:. month to France, England and Eelgiu.'Il. ::Ln his application, ' · ·::dated July 21, 1971, he stated his intention to depart by air

· about .September, 197-1, and expected to take another trip abroad . ·within two years. This passport was valid for five years' t·-'-.:'~,.,~·travel to all co•mtries except. Cuba, North Korea and North : .. ' .. ~ietnam. · ·

•:_ . ·--..-, :.~#.::;~~~:-• .,. •---~"'~-:-:-"r-::·· ·'·-·under passport regulations, this individual may use ~-- ·-·-~::-·this 'passport for la-wful travel within the period of its

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"·.· ... ,<·agency. The Passport Offi':e does not receive informstion as ; · · to _whether or when a passport is used for foreign travel. f;-r::}7-:~.:;f~.;_~~:;. .. -.:: ... ·. J:-:"~.;~;,;;~"f-+i<-~~--;_. . .,. HUNT stated that he was born on October 9, 1918, at ._- _ .. , Hamburg, New York, and the file reflectc:d that his birth

c~rtificate has been seen by passport authorities. lie gnve his _ ' __ 'permanent' residence and mailing address as 11120 River Road,

::.: .. ·:.-Potomac, Y.c!ryland, home telephone 299-7366, business telephone - · . 293-2900. In the event of cicath or accident, he rzq-.;ested that

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: June ·22, 1939, for proposed pleasu::::-e travel for two ::-:cnths to ._;;England, Scotland, France, Iceland, For~vay, ::;,-:eden, Denr:-.ark and

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·Australia for ne1o1.spaper work and nec<'ssary countries en route •. ~-;;:;;~­This application dated February 10, 19lf3, at He·" York City was :]!{:-, supported by a letter dated FebrJary 9 1943; from DANIEL · c'?~~ LOl!Gw'ELL, E:cecutive Editor, "Life", stating that h1JiiT was a .. _:;j;;;_":_:.~ member of the staff of t~t magazine who was pr_cceeding abroad --~V{f. with the Pacific fleet w~th eventual assignment with- an Army . _,c\·-,-· unit sorne'lolhere in the Pacific. His draft boerd number 343 - .,._-.,;'";:,;ij. at Albany issued the approprLHe permit. He gave his per:::;anent<?':';': residence at that time as 192 Euclid f,v=nue, Albany, New York, _·;,.;;~;-· He stated that he had been in Iceland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden,.<'01~Y Holland, France, England and Scotland from June to September, . ··'c.,,· g;,_-1''4111

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1 Convention, are all CIA agents. Here, son in the history of the country.

D • again, he cites argument after argument COQ: So you never got your money 9 a 0 g u e to make his case. Skolnick is equal~y back?

. B · adamant about the conspiracy theory SKOLNICK: No. But the point is that involving President Kennedy's assassi- I found that other people had also nation. But most startling of all, he been swindled in the courts. Therefore A wide grin creases Sherman Skol­

nick's face when you ask him If he sleeps well, or whether his dreams are a nightmarish pastiche of shadowy in­trigues and dark conspiracies. "Sure I sleep well," he replies, but rhere's some­thing in the way he says it that suggesrs that Skolnick's nightmares begin not when he sleeps but when he awakens. For from that moment, Skolnick is a man for whom every ring of the phone, letter in the mail, or knock on the door takes on the ominous tone of a Kafka novel. It is an existence that Skolnick has not quite grown _accustomed to­like Alice in Wondenand, excepr that Skolnick's "wonderland" is far more vi­olent and bizarre than anything A lice ever witnessed. Since 1967, in a virtual

. -·-- one:..man cr.1.sade, Skolnick.hos bucked. crooked politicians, the syndicate, cor­rupt government officials, and a sus­pected agent provocateur or rwo.

Confined ro a wheelchair because of polio, ru..,ming zhe show out of his living room with the help of a small, dedicated volunteer staff, Skolnick has nonethe­less managed to gather enough evidence to knock an Illinois governor out of his seat, remove several corrnpt judges .. and predict the resignation of former Vice President Spiro Agnew months before he stepped down from office. All of which has taken its toll on Skolnick. He has been arrested, harassed, and dis­credited by his powerful political ene­mies, much along the same lines as Jim Garrison, Ma ... k Lane, and i\1artha Mitchell.

In fact, Skolnick has managed to step on so many thumbs that he has had more government agents calling on him rhan have neighbors down the block. But If Skolnick has proved to be a Jere­miah of sorts, on some occasions he is still more the master of the art of srar­tl!ng disclosures-many of which still remain to be prove.d true. For instance: He strongly asserts that the United Air Lines plane that crashed in Chicago in 1972, and which carried .lvirs. Howard [{wu aboard, was planned by govern-

broadly hints that Nixon himself may in 1963 we formed the Citizens' Com­have had a hand in the tragic affair. mittee to Clean Up the Courts. We fig­

It was with such daims in-minQ rhat ured this was a name that no illiterate, COQ recently sat down with Skolnick to crooked judge could possibly mistake discuss these and other matters. The as. to what we were into. \Ve made a talk lasted almost five hours. At one -study of all the bank cases in the Fed­point the phone rang and the orher end era! Court of Appeals covering a ten­went dead. Earlier, Skolnick's one- year period. We found that there were armed chauffeur mysteriously worded a 27 cases, and 26 of them were won by message to his boss and sudden(y hur- the banks. We then determined who ried off. It was Holmes, Chan, and a bit the judges were hearing these cases, of Bond combined. It was Sherman and they were bankers. We compiled Skolnick-muckracker, gadfly, fighter information on the state of bribery. of the never-ending battle for truth, jus- We figured out exactly how you go tice, and the American way-in the set- about bribing a judge, and things of ting he likes best. that sort, You don't bribe him in an

The interview wa~ conducted by Ste- alley, by the way. ven Feldman, Fram;ois Roberr, Nancy COQ: You've branched out from in­Sundquis[,,and Lesley Sussman. vestigating the courts to include politi­COQ: How did you 'get into this rack---· cal figures. For·· exariq)le,-you'v'e 'et? charged that the Chicago Seven were SKOLNICK: Some 15 or 16 years ago, on government payroll. my folks put some money in trust for SKOLNICK: We traced their money me, and the people who were sup- to the CIA through foundations. Be­posed to administer the trust abscond- sides, they got half a million dollars ed with the money. From there we for the street riot5 five years ago. ended up in the courts. In the begin- COQ: Who got it? ning I had a lawyer representing me, SKOLNICK: Oh, Rennie Davis and and we spent some nine years in the those people. That's why I got arrest­courts trying to get the money back. ed. During the taping of a TV show l We finally ended up in the State Su- confronted Rennie and he wouldn't preme Court, and by that point I had answer. Instead, the police showed up studied enough law so that I was able and took me away. t.o represent myself. Round about COQ: How did you develop your in-1961, I took up the study oflaw on my formation? Where did you get your own. My house-at one time had'6000 first in..'Lding that there might be some­law books. I found outgoing through thing ... ? the courts that there was really no jus- SKOLNICK: Just from putting bits tice. There was more conflict of inter- and pieces together. \Ve compile in-est. I found that there were other peo- formation on foundations, and after a ple similarly situated who had been while you get to know which founda-"done in" in the courts. I spent years in tions are connected with Central In tel-the courts, and I couldn't get any sa tis- ligence: the J.M. Kaplan Fund in New faction. The case involving my trust York, the New World Foundation of fund banged around five times to the Chicago, and others. U.S. Sup;eme Court. I also became COQ: Can you prove these cbnnec-interested in doing some public good, tions? and I worked on some public-interest SKOLNICK: Sure, some of them have cases that didn't involve me personal- come out already. The National Stu-ly. Sort of what are loosely known as dent Association, the \Vorld Group of ''class actions." As a result of that, Jurists, and others like these were

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identified in February 1967 as CIA fronts. These are the foundations that supplied the Chicago Seven with all the money. COQ: How do you know they got money? SKOLNICK: The foundations are the only entities in the country that must file public tax returns. We compile those, and we were able to show, for example, that the Parvin Foundation, headed up by Justice Douglas. was a CIA front. COQ: Do you have any views on \Va­tergate? SKOLNICK: Watergate to us does not stand for burglarin!!, it stands for mur­der. Since June -17, 1972, several hundred people have been murdered because of the break~in. One of Don~ aid Segretti's associates, for example, was murdered in an alleged accident. There have been other attempts at murder. \Vatere:ate is a continuation of a decade of Political assassinations. COQ: You're the latest in a growing list of people such as Mark Lane, Jim Garrison, and }vfartha Mitchell who are ridiculed for their conspiracy theories. How do you feel about it? SKOI,NIC~K: Well,) answer it with a joke. It's a paranoid subject. But the

· way things are' going in this country,· if you're not paranoid, you're crazy. \Ve've found that government com­plicity exists in the ·assassination field, in the political field, in the peace field. A percentage of the bombing of gov­ernment buildings has been done by provocateurs. \Veil, how are the tax­payers served when government agents born b government buildings? A notorious example was in Seattle. As a result of the unemployment there, people were getting restless. The FBI staged an incident to blame on the radicals-they bombed the post of­fice. But the FBI has got toilet~training hang~ups. They're always· bombing johns. During the Haiphong harbor mining protests, they bombed the women's john in the Pentagon. \Vhat great radical thing is bombing a john? You find that the czars did the same. COQ: Did you know that Stalin was a member of the Czar's secret police? SKOLNICK: Well, if you want to get into a broad philosophical subject, I can show you documentation that the Russian Revolution was financed in New York through the Rockefellers as an experiment in socialism. How many people know that Standard Oil

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and Ford Motor never had their facili­ties appropriated when the Bolsheviks came to pow~r? COQ: You've been on a Rockefeller thing lately. Is something going on? SKOLNICK: The reason we got into that is that it helps explain some phe­nomena in this country that otherwise are inexplicable. So one of the hip things we got into was this plane crash. COQ: The one at Midway Airport in 1972, with Mrs. Howard Hunt on it? SKOLNICK: Yes. At first we wanted to tum back on it because a lot has happened to me and my friends which would have made anybody with more sense than us give up. COQ: What do you mean? SKOLNICK: I mean we were fucked over so much. \Ve should have quit. COQ: Who fucked you over?

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--principal stockholders of United Air Lines? Rockefeller. COQ: What if Mrs. Hunt had booked a flight on American?

SKOLNICK: You want to go through the whole corporate study of United Air Lines? You're forcing me to go into a little philosophy. Two factions struggle for control of this country. The one faction you're all aware of is Nixon and his group of whatever you want to call them. Ni.xon was a Rocke­feller man. When he lost in politics in 1962, he supposedly was broke. He then moved into a $175,000 condo­minium in Rockefeller's building, the same building that Rockefeller lives in, and then went on a $200,000-a­year speaking tour. Just to keep him busy. He then became a partner in a law firm that does a lot of Rockefeller work. From 1962 to about 1966, he was in Rockefeller's pocket. Nixon got wealthy. What Rockefeller either wasn't aware of or overlooked was that Nixon, from the Second World \Var on, was very much in with the gangsters. Sundance magazine went into a whole detailed study of Nixon and the lvlafia from about 1944 on. Nixon -was in·· with -the people who -... L

-.,vere in the tire recapping rackets dur­ing the Second \Vorld \Var. Nixon at one time wanted to set up a business in Havana during the Batista regime. And there were two people who head~ ed up the Bay of Pigs, two overseers: Richard Nixon and' E. Howard Hunt. And so Nixon had quite a bit to do with the Mafia. A lot of the people re~ cruited for the Bay of Pigs were gang­ster types. They were not paid in money, they were paid in heroin, and they sold that and raised money with that. But from 1966 on, Nixon depart­ed from the super-elitists, the intellec­tuals, the liberals, as they call them, and fell back into his previous back­ground with Rebozo and Lansky.

There are two things that are in the works now which will force Nixon either to leave office or leave the coun­try. I attended a conference on politi­cal assassination research last Thanks­giving weekend. One of the things that's coming up, which is very hip, is

-'that Nixon is going to be implicated in President Kennedy's assassination. There's a link between Dallas and V..'atergate. You've got to read a book called Farewell, America. It's one of the books that's banned in the United

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States, and it tells about the CIA's in­volvement with the assassination. We've got very few copies left, but I'll give you one. \Ve obtained some cop­ies by devious means, and we use them to raise money for our organization. In other words, you donate ten dollars, I give vou one free. Bookstores cannot ~ell the book. They can't import it, it's illegal. U.S. Customs doesn't allow it. The book shows that leaders of the as­sassination attempt met the night be­fore, or tv.ro days before, and planned the-last-mi!lute things. Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover two days before Dallas met at an oil millionaire's ranch, and on the morning of the assassination Nixon took flight 82 to New York.

The other major accusation against Nixon \Vill concern a gambling place called Paradise Island. The gambling casino is known to the press, but they're waiting for a strategic moment. It's owned by the international gang­ster Meyer Lansky, by Bebe Rebozo, and by Richard Nixon.

Stuart Publishers. It's about David Rockefeller. The Rockefellers own, you might say, the mass media. They own 17 percent of CBS, they're the principal stockholders in RCA, which has as a subsidiary the NBC network, and they have a major interest in ABC. So the three networks are owned and operated by the Rockefellers. Then through their various banking interests in Chase Manhattan Bank and others, they have a good ·working interest in every major paper that you want to talk about: The Nev.' York Times, the Field papers,_etc. COQ: How would you describe Rock-

efeller? SKOLNICK: He's not an American. I

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to get at Nixon. COQ: Why? SKOLNICK: In Heritage of Stone, Jim Garrison says that Gerald Ford is one of the people the CIA likes the most. Ford sat on the \Varren Commission, as did Leon Jaworski as special coun­sel to the Commission.

COQ: Did you say that Ford was a Rockefeller man? · SKOLNICK: Well, in a way.

was never made a part of the United States. If he ever goes to his Florida \Vhite House, he's not in the United States. \Ve can't sen'e a summons on him or do anything. COQ: Presumably Meyer Lansky could help him get to the Bahamas. SKOLNICK: Yeah. COQ: Your credibility, which has never been very great. ... SKOLNICK: Credibility \vith whom? COQ: With a mass of people who fol­low you. You went before the Mi!lway plane crash hearing and couldn't real­ly baci-: up your charges. SKOLNICK: Now wait a minute. When I showed up with three suitcases filled with documents, I spread them out on a big table. Reporters had heard of this hearing and came from all over the Western world. I spread out on the table the entire government file on the crash which I told the Safety Board then in session that I had stolen. If they wanted to prosecute me that would be the time and place. We had over 1300 pages of exhibits, reports, photographs, and diagrams, which, when you analyze them step by step, show that this was not an accident. The government proposed to suppress t_his Jike the Warren Commission documents:-Excepi we headed it off by --­stealing it all. Therefore, if your judg­ment about my credibility is based upon what the media ran, then you rightfully say that I have no credibil-ity. However, the Associated Press ran a story that was accurate. They said . Skolnick today was at a special hear-

. ing of the National Transportation Safety Board and has presented a heavily documented case of sabotage. This wire service story was not run by any major paper in the United States, even though it was on the A wire. It ran in a couple of small papers near Seattle and in a few small Southern papers. The rest of them took a differ­ent position entirely. COQ: Let's try to make sense of the United Air Lines crash. What do you think happened?

COQ: What about Archibald Cox? SKOLNICK: Cox for years has been one of Rockefeller's people. Rockefel­ler surrounds NLxon now. He's got Haig in there, he's got Kissinger, \Vho used to be a director of the Rockefeller Foundation. Nixon is surrounded, he's not the President anymore. There is a book that only circulates around in a limited way called David from Lyle

COQ: So why did Nixon pick him? SKOLNICK: Nixon had nothing to do with it. He's no longer in contr~l. It is of no consequence what Nixon does. COQ: Why ·doesn't he fight? SKOLNICK: His options are dimin­ishing. He's getting down to the point where he's implicated in the Kennedy assassination. They'll shoot him and get away ·with it. His options are gone. COQ: Why doesn't he flee the coun­try? SKOLNICK: I made a study of that. Do you know where he has his Florida White House? It's not in the United States. It's in old Spanish territory that

SKOLNICK: Mrs. Hunt carried two million dollars of valuables traceable to CREEP. We have two witnesses to that. She had what amounted to a document that was probably one of the most controversial documents in recent history. It shows that two weeks after Jack Kennedy's election in 1960, the incumbent President, Eisenhower, for reasons which he thought were

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best for the Republic, signed an order for Kennedy's removal. It was author;: ized by the National Security Council and to be put immediately in the ar­chives. Mrs. Hunt was carrying that document. Now, whether her husband fabricated that document based on other historical evidence or whether it is a true document, I don't know. But four documents that she had with her on the plane by some miracle flooded away from that plane, beyond the crash zone, beyond the FBI, and got caught in a.bush. Some little old lady had it for several months. This lady is not in politics, she is not a spy. She didn't know what to do with it. It final­ly ended up with us. COQ: You have these documents? SKOLNICK: We are in possession of them. \Ve have written a book about it, and the book is going to be pub­Lished, I think, in Europe. I don't think it can be published in the United States, because the document so much

we ordered a large pizza. He wanted everything on it, and it cost $17.95. So he tells this joke. That was a good joke. COQ: You've charged that the plane had extraordinary amounts of cya­nide. But the official report denies that. SKOLNICK: That's much in dispute. By the way, the pilot had an inter­esting name, Captain Whitehouse. Of the three people in the cockpit, the pilot is the only one who had cyanide, and he had 3.9 micrograms per milli­liter. You don't breathe after 1.0, you're wiped out, while 3:9-is impossi­ble by inhalation. Only by injection or ingestion, not by inhalation, can 3.9 milliliter be gotten in your body. Therefore, this pilot was four times dead, thus indicating foul play. There is other circumstantial proof to show

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COQ: You see, Sherman, you should ·. , . ·· .• ' _ j be open with people. You're playing : d!fh''!!lie&.ttji;jt~. '* •. ,' the same government games that rhe pilot was dead before the crash. you're supposedly against. Fl.ighr regulations provide that, at SKOLNICK: No, no, you can inter- minimum, the pilot must fly the first view the witnesses. five minutes and the last five minutes. COQ: That's not the point. Could we During the last two and a half minutes see the document? we don't hear from the pilot at all. He SKOLNICK: I can show you a facsimi- is not flying. The copilot and the sec-le of it. I'll tell you something. Six ond officer are talking. man ths ago, if a reporter came to me, I But our case does not stand or fall would show him practica)ly every- on the cyanide issue. For example, thing that was in the house. I gave most of the food tables were in the up that idea after what Rolling Stone serving position. When the plane's did to me. Their reporter, Terry landing, those food tables have got to Sheridan, whom I',.··e known for more be down, and the biggest crash in the than three years, once ·wrote a story world cannot dislodge those food ta­that was objective about us. It didn't b!es. This indicates that the ground necessarily praise us but merely told controllers misdirected the plane, so the truth about our work. So then that the crew thought they were in a Terry Sheridan writes a four-page landing pattern and not about to land. story in Rolling Stone without refer- The FBI and the Safety Board did not ring to the documents. He was there tell the public that many died by being during the two days of hearings. In- crushed against the food tables. What stead he \Vrote that \Vhile he was at my do they tell you \vhen you're ap­house a week or two after the hearings preaching the airport? Fasten your

seat belts and fold up your food table right? Well, you could say that on;

. person forgot to fold up his table, but how could most of the food tables be folded out?

No doctors or nurses or ambulances that responded to the crash emergency were allowed to go to the plane. They were all kept in a garage 30 to 40 feet away. One doctor went toward the plane and a nameless, faceless person, who the doctor thought was FBI and who had the area blocked off, said that everybody \Vas dead and there was no need for doctors. An ambulance driver was not allowed to go any closer ei­ther, even though he heard people screaming on the plane. Hundreds of FBI men had taken the area over and kept everyone out, including police.

COQ: Why were there so many FBI agents? · SKOLNICK: Of the 12 Warergate people who were on the plane, one survived. She is half out of her mind by terror because of this crash. She keeps moving every month to a differ­ent address. She's got triple locks on her house. She told one of our staff people that when she gets to know us better she will tell us about the terrible thlilg.S"tha.t \\;ent olliiithe-cabillbefofe­the crash. We believe that some of Mrs. Hunt's luggage was stolen. She had some under her seat that was sto­len before the -:rash. We believe she was murdered. Why else did the FBI not allow the body bags to be exam­ined and refuse last rites to be admin­istered? COQ: Wasn't there any autopsy? SKOLNICK: No. The FBI had stripped all the bodies of all their pos­sessions, all their rings, credit cards, everything. The press was either not diligent enough to know about all this or didn't want to know, because report­ers for all the major papers simply put their bylines on press releases. COQ: What advice do you have for young people? SKOLNICK: The United States is the last place in the world for those who want to lead a life of freedom. We are the last place, there is no other place to go. There was a thing called the Amer­ican Dream, but it has probably been gone for a hundred years now. It has been taken over by the Rockefellers, the Marshall Fields, the Camegies, and the rest of them. There is no such thing as free enterprise. There is no such thing as justice. CO~