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Published by: Kirsten Tisdale, [email protected]
Czechpoint TRUK e-newsletter 68 – 29 October 2019
Editor’s Corner So what have I got for you this time?
Diaries out – immediately below, looking forward to various dates of interest
Club finances – a bit of an update overleaf
Snippets – things that have happened in the Tatra world and other interest bits
7093 days later - thanks to Peter Graham for sharing his story of the trials and tribulations of registering his 603 down under.
Great Aunt Tola - thank you to everyone (and I mean everyone!), and in particular Kees Smit, who made suggestions and moved this story on – I’ve combined various emails to provide an update
John McEntagart’s parts list – pics of the dismantled engine and a whole load of new parts added
Things to do and buy – a list just in from Vladimir Cettl including a US book-signing later this year
Tatra books and other merchandise for sale – various items from Peter Milbank-Jones ebay shop
Next Czechpoint – aiming for mid-December – I’ll give a few days’ notice. But (as always!) you don’t have to wait, if you want something to be in Czechpoint, just send it here anytime and it we will save it for the next one: [email protected]
Kirsten
Forthcoming Events
23 November 2019 to 19 April 2020 Cars: Accelerating The Modern World – including the T77 that won the special Tatra feature at Pebble Beach a few years ago. You can book here: https://www.vam.ac.uk/exhibitions/cars
21-24 May 2020 – TFI Rally - Austria
25-28 June 2020 – Tatra Register Deutschland Rally – in the planning stage
10-12 July 2020 – Tatra Register UK Rally in Devon – provisional dates – more details shortly
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Club finances
Ian and I caught up with Peter Milbank-Jones recently for a quick catch up on finances - although the club account is still healthy, the current capital will be gone in c3 years if we don’t do something. No-one is suggesting that we start collecting membership fees again as that’s very hard work. Or owning club stock. And one of our main expenses doesn’t exist anymore – a hard copy newsletter.
Although, over the past few years, the rallies have been pretty much self-financing as far as direct costs are concerned, the club’s remaining main expense of the year is the Public Liability Insurance Our proposal is that, we include, say, £10 per person, in future rally fees to cover that insurance, because the rally is what it’s there for primarily …and unless you’re a rally organiser, don’t even think about suggesting that we don’t have any.
The club does have some other minor outgoings including the website – read on, for how we propose to cover these. We’ve always charged non-members for valuations and for help with registering vehicles, but will be charging club members (apart from a couple of life members) for valuations going forward, and also for specific help provided like the 603 buyers guide. And while we’re on the subject of valuations: Watch out for the changing value of your Tatra and also exchange rates!
Snippets
Thanks to Peter Visser for his photos of the TRN rally in September: https://www.flickr.com/photos/davydutchy/albums/72157711149449448/page1
And thanks to Jirka Pollak for sending this through: Hans Ledwinka became an honorary citizen of Kopřivnice earlier this autumn - his Grandson Dr. Hans Ledwinka from Tyrol accepted the diploma during a short ceremony on the balcony of Ringhoffer's villa. Jirka tells me that the woman in green is President of Tatra Club, which is itself now 50 years old.
This piece is in German, but just press the translate button! https://oldtimer-veranstaltung.de/2019/09/hans-ledwinka-wurde-ehrenbuerger-seiner-tatrastadt-koprivnice/
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More snippets
David Russel’s Tatraplan out and about in the US again. David says: “The picture to the right shows what I often see when returning to the car, people checking the car out, reading the short information sheet propped in the window, or taking photos.” No need to thank David, as when I did he said: “Pleasure is mine. Showing off is fun!”
The picture to left shows the T600 dropping in on a major Citroen Rendezvous in Southern California at Cambria. David says: “The white Traction Avant was a nice counterpoint. Hard to tell from the styles but this Traction was built a few years after the Tatra, but the styling is from 1934.”
“Drove about 450 miles on the trip and drove home on the Coast Highway, beautiful Hwy 1.”
Thanks to Jirka at Tatra Register Schweiz for this – Ian thinks it’s one of the better Tatra engine transplants that he’s seen – click the link for more: http://www.tatra.ch/raritaeten/guzzi_tatra/guzzi_tatra.pdf
And thank you to Stephen Ferrada for this. Stephen says: “Sorting out old sketch work I came across a favourite "modern" Tatra of mine, engine to the front (which improves practicality) while keeping the uncompromising overall aerodynamics” and asks: “...anyone out there willing to help work it out virtually?”
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7093 days later…
AV8 TATRA
On 4th April 2000 Izzy Hertzog imported his restored Tatra 603. Izzy was a very successful business man being one of the largest car wholesalers in Australia as well as having a very substantial property portfolio, he was also a very generous philanthropic man. https://www.jewishnews.net.au/end-of-a-generous-life/1428. Even with all his contacts he could not get the car registered in Australia, we are a funny country. After he passed away his children tried to register the car unsuccessfully. The car then sat in the corner of their showroom for several years after Izzy’s death with a price tag of $140K on the windscreen, close to what it reputedly had cost. After a while the family decided to auction the car as they had no real interest, the first auction had a reserve of $100K but received no bids, the second in August 2012 was without a reserve, it got 1 solitary bid, mine at $10K. That started the next stage in getting the car registered. After many attempts, various engineers reports, inspections and all sorts of machinations we eventually got all the paperwork ready in May 2019. Do not think this was a full time exercise for 7 years. Often I said stuff-it and it sat in the garage for long periods of time where I could not summon up the courage to try again. A young Will Keogh from the UK was enticed by his partner to come to live in Perth, her home city, and set up a workshop fixing Vintage Bentleys. He took a fancy to the Dust covered Tatra in the corner of my garage and encouraged me to try again. With a small stream of parts from Vintage
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Tatra in the Czech Republic and many hours with “English” manuals we reached the point where we could present the paperwork and car for registration in May 2019. Australia has an odd set of procedures, Customs and importation are a Commonwealth process and car registration is a State matter. The State rejected the Commonwealths importation documents, in their opinion there was an error. The Commonwealth refused to even consider amending their paperwork, and not only that the person who imported the car had passed away and only he could apply to have the paperwork amended. Impasse and no possible solution, the Hertzog family were disinclined to get involved as that had “given” away their fathers car. Many phone calls to Canberra over the next few months, without success until I got real lucky, on one occasion Neil answered the phone. Neil is a “Petrol Head” and listened to my long story, there must be a way said Neil, I will email you a form. 48 hours later I had the prized piece of paperwork.
Off to the Department of Transport with reports, customs paperwork, examination reports, approved request for special registration number and money in hand. After waiting in the queue for 2 ½ hours, No, the receipt for the purchase is not valid, the Auction company is one of the larger sellers of cars in Australia and they had issued their standard receipt. The response from the counter person was “if you do not like it go somewhere else to get the car registered”. Typical, but not a
solution. Back again after discussions with my lawyer, and another 2 ½ hour wait. This time armed with a statutory declaration prepared by my lawyer to cover the purchase transaction. Again NO, but they would draw up a Statutory Declaration according to their rules. Signed and at last I got the desired registration document. Thank you so much, may I have a copy of the Statutory Declaration I have just signed please, as part of the vehicles records. No, was the answer, if you want a copy you can make a formal application via Freedom of Information legislation and we will consider your request. The date, 5 September 2019, 7,093 days, or over 19 years after the fully restored car arrived in Australia. The Tatra 603 is now registered and after time I will forget the drama and pain needed and I hope to report some successful trips in the near future.
Peter Graham PS Peter says: “I am still hoping to find out who made the comment at the UK rally that the material for the seats was now available. My seats need new fabric and I would love to know who made that comment.”
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Update on Great Aunt Tola’s Car
Readers of Czechpoint 67 will remember the wartime story of escape from Poland that included a journey that took in Portugal as well as Yugolslavia and sightseeing in Italy en route, eventually, to the UK – here it is if you didn’t have a chance to read it last time: http://www.aricia.ltd.uk/Temp/AuntTolaTatraCar.pdf The following is an amalgamation of parts of subsequent emails between Kees Smit and Barbara Grimm-Zaluska. And as you’ll see at the bottom, Barbara is interested in any further input now that the story has moved on. Kees: The photo of the T 77a (not T77) is a photo of a 1937 Ringhoffer-Tatra T77a brochure. Another photo of the same car (attachment) with the same woman (on the left-hand passenger seat) show pre-war Moravian registration (and not Polish) plates used by Ringhoffer-Tatra for their prototypes and factory-owned cars.. It really is a photo from the same series as your photo published in the T77a brochures as it also lights out the T77a in the same way as the photo mentioned by you. Barbara: The 1937 advert - my father, André Zaluski, is still certain it is his aunt, Antonina Sidorowicz, in the photo. However, one does not see the model's face and I doubt one will ever find out who it was. What is more important for me is that the photo inspired him to remember a wealth of detail about his flight from Poland. The Tatra car was a marvellously reliable car for such a long journey and Aunt Tola made a wise choice. I sent a copy of Kees Smit's photo of a Tatra T87 to my father, André Zaluski, and he immediately recognized the car as being the type Aunt Tola drove from Poland to Portugal and which she sold to a collector or museum in about 1947. Aunt Tola's car was left hand drive (LHD), which my Father confirmed, and had Czech numberplates (not Polish) as Antonina and Wladyslaw Sidorowicz were living in Ostrava, Czechoslovakia, when the war broke out. Michaela Bortlova from the Tatra Museum is now checking through the sales records of the Tatra T87 car. At a later point I will adjust some incorrect details and add some post-war family information to my account of "Aunt Tola's Tatra Car". I saw a very small photo of Aunt Tola and her Tatra car in my Aunt Ewa (Ewa Hierowska) war-time photo album, but that was in the mid 1990s. She died in 2017 and I have asked her daughter to scan it for me or take a photo of it. Let's wait and see. I will certainly send you a copy.
Now that I know the car was a Tatra T87, do you know of any Tatra T87 cars in the UK? It was bought and originally used in Czechoslovakia, so would have had Czech number plates / left hand drive when it arrived in Liverpool in 1940. The number plates may have been changed to British ones in the 1940s.
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Czechpoint Classifieds
Tatra Parts – For Sale
T613-3 Engine
USED T613/3 engine missing a few parts – since this is dismantled, John would consider selling parts from this, but would rather see it go to one buyer - currently in Dublin - contact John McEntagart: Phone 00.353.87.9870786 + email [email protected] - Open to offers!
Ian says: “John McEntagart is looking to find a home for most of a T613 engine, dismantled as illustrated. We'd particularly like to see this go to a deserving and appropriate home, because most of it came from our own very first Tatra, Kirsten and I, bought at three years old in Zlín and subsequently driven to the moon and back by John as his daily driver in Ireland.”
John says: “I used the top end and kept the bottom of your old engine. The crank has done no work, but there is surface rust where it sat outside, and will need to be ground and new bearings fitted. Missing parts have changed since I did a visual check while taking photos: !- Inlet manifold & carburettor spacer. 1- exhaust valve. !- valve cotter. 1- con-rod 1.05.27 15- cylinder head bolt washers - easy to replace. ! oil coolers, sold two, but this item should be available used,or new If you’re interested in this, ask and Czechpoint can send over plenty of pics – see over…
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More Spare Parts – for sale
T 613/3 The parts in red are brand new to the list! Open to offers! For all or any of these parts… Contact John McEntagart: Phone 00.353.87.9870786 + email [email protected]
2-headlamp light units (new) 2-ditto used. 1-gasket for engine cover lock (rubber) 1-choke cable knob. 2-6.07.16 front window frame support. 1-gearbox oil seal 36-56-12. 1-gearbox O ring 43 x 3. 1-gearbox O ring 73 x 1,5. 1-1.05.21 front engine oil seal 55 x 80 x 13. 1-5.04.27 Dual fuel tank hose( also used as filler hose) 6.02.13/14 Pair front wings - New 1.14.20 Electronic ignition unit c/w 6 volt coil & length special cable 6.31.32/33 front indicator lens (amber) 6.31.32/33 front indicator lens (clear) Pal Magneton regulator.443 116419070(stamped on it )Alternator 1.12.1 Alternator Set of spare to repair alternator:- 1.13.8 stator . 1.13.4 electric parts. 1.13.17/18 electric parts . 6.31.20 side repeat indicator lights Speed sensor from gearbox to speedo 6.14.32/33 Door pillar chrome covers 6.17.24/25 & 6.17 26/27 alloy door plates 6.17.22/22 &6.17.23/23 alloy carpet plate clamps Repaired plastic front panel.Quite presentable 14" wheel with michelin tyre. (used) 6.14.15 & 6.14.16 straight chrome pieces for rear side window 6.14.19 & 6.14.20 long bent chrome pieces for same. 6.08.? Chrome strip with seal for RHR door 1-68mm Tatra roundel.Tatra original 1-68mm Tatra roundel .Pamela Daniels reproduction
Things to do and buy
And thanks to Vladimir Cettl for various links of interest:
On December 21st, I have a book-signing for a new book "Abandoned Cold War Aircraft" in Los Angeles, and Tatra calendars will also be available for sale. >>> https://www.autobooks-aerobooks.com/
I’m currently preparing new calendars with Tatra wrecks, but I will publish them on the Internet in a few days. >>> www.vladimircettl.com
New beautiful book about Tatra 603, 380 pages, beautiful photos, beautiful print, but only in Czech language. >>> https://www.heritageandzoom.com/?fbclid=IwAR109OaMrFs73SoLrr-i_siYZPhNbSWa0qiZTETRVzvCu3--XRy0hWYXDjc
A photo book of Tatra 77 was published at the famous functionalist Villa Tugendhat. This book is also in English, but a smaller publication, 60 pages. >>> https://www.tugendhat77.cz/
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Tatra books and other merchandise – for sale
Tatra – The Legacy of Hans Ledwinka
For sale from member Peter Milbank-Jones ebay shop and written by member Ivan Margolius and John Henry. This enlarged hardback 2nd edition published in 2015 is in English and contains updated material and additional illustrations.
Reduced from its original retail price of £55, this new copy is still shrink-wrapped in plastic. Now £19.99 + P&P.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/352808231864
Slovenska Strela M 290.001
88 page softback book with Czech text looks at the streamlined Rail Motor Coach manufactured by Tatra Koprivnice in 1936 for Czech Railways - the Slovak Arrow. Mainly photographic book includes 8 colour photos, 74 b/w photos, and 8 technical diagrams. The photos show the bodywork and the chassis of the Motor Coach being constructed; promotional interior shots; in service on the Prague to Bratislava line; being moved by road to the museum; renovation and display at Koprivnice. £11.99 + P&P
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254296771096
Tatra Rugby Shirt 100% cotton Medium Black - Tatra Register UK logo – Used, Good Quality - £9.99 + P&P https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/254132616988
Tatra 2020 Calendar
Something for the Tatra trucker in your life and/or a teaser for the Tatraplan enthusiast - The calendar measures 42 x 30 cm and there are 13 colour photos featuring: 128, 141, 147, 148 UDS, 600 Tatraplan, 813 Kolos, 813 TP, 815 Special, 815-7, 815-7 Tigon, 816, Force, Phoenix, Terra. £10.99 + P&P https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/352831935259
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Disclaimer: please note that neither the Tatra Register UK, nor Kirsten Tisdale, accepts any liability for any of the items or services advertised for sale in this publication. It is your responsibility as the buyer to ascertain that the advertised product is fit for the purpose for which you require it.
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