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#1 (313) 21 ianvari, 2015 weli gamodis oTxSabaTs WWW.SAERTOGAZETI.GE fasi 1 lari

deniza sumbaZe:saqarTvelo da

qarTuli eklesia

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saqarTvelos

iseTive

mniSvnelobis

reforma

sWirdeba,

rogorc ioane

petriwma

Caatara gelaTis akademiaSi

daviT maRraZe:

`...saWirod CavTvale, mSvelelad vuxmo qarTvel xalxs~

es arasamTavroboebi

mxolod erT sandro

bregaZes ki ara yvela

im adamians

ebrZvian, romlebic

erovnulad

azrovneben

da maT mzakvrul

zraxvebs amxelen

Tu Sesabamisi

uwyebebi dainteresde-

bian, aucileblad

viTanamSromleb

gamoZiebasTan da im

oficrebis vinaobas

davasaxeleb, romlebic

xels uwyoben qarTveli

jariskacebis wasvlas ukrainis omSi

vin uvrcelebs

saqarTvelos mTavrobas

Wors, rom is kvlav

saakaSviliseul

`lazika-portis~

proeqts miubrunda

da anakliidan

sul male mosaxleobis

gasaxleba daiwyeba?

saakaSvilma warmatebiT Seasrula

rusebis morigi davaleba da foTis

porti `rosnefts~ mihyida...

sandro bregaZe:

levan koWloSvili:

Salva xaWapuriZe:

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redaqtoris gverdi

2015 weli daiwyo da daiwyo

Zalian cudad.

ra Tqma unda, safrangeTSi da-

trialebul did tragedias vgu-

lisxmob, romlis masStabebi, cxa-

dia, erTi konkretuli qveynis fa-

rglebs scildeba da mTel msof-

lios, maT Soris, am msoflios

Semadgenel nawils, saqarTvelo-

sac exeba.

`nacionalebma~ da maT kont-

rols daqvemdebarebulma `nacio-

nalebma~ sainformacio saSuale-

bebma miwamsve gaavles paralele-

bi am tragediasa da saqarTvelo-

Si 17 maiss momxdar ambavs Soris

da erTi sasuliero piris xelSi

SemTxveviT aRmoCenili mrisxane

ìaraRi~ `taburetka~ lamis av-

tomatad warmoaCines, rac imas

niSnavs, rom `nacmoZraoba~ yvela-

fers gaakeTebs, yvelaferze wava,

rom saqarTveloSi igive tragedia

datrialdes, rac safrangeTSi

moxda.

__ saqarTvelos mterisaakaSviliao, _ Tqva premi-

er-ministrma irakli RaribaSvil-

ma da absoluturi simarTle

Tqva, oRond am simarTles aqvs

sxva gagrZelebac, romelic jer

ar Tqmula.

Tu saakaSvili saqarTve-los mteria, saqarTvelosmtrebi arian `nacmoZrao-bis~ is wevrebic, romlebicusityvod asrulebdnen sa-qarTvelos mtris, saakaS-vilis, brZanebebs.

es elementaruli logikaa,

Tumca am elementarul logikas

xSirad ar iTvaliswinebs saqarT-

velos amJamindeli xelisufleba

da `nacionalebs~ ise farTod

uRebs karebs sxvadasxva struq-

turebSi, TiTqos mxolod saakaS-

vili iyo mteri, eseni ki qveynis

moyvrebi da guldaTuTquli Wiri-

suflebi arian.

did Secdomas uSvebT Tqven,

Zvirfaso xelisuflebav, Zalian

did Secdomas, romelic sabedis-

werod SeiZleba SemogitrialdeT

Tqvenc da mTel qveyanasac.

àr gaTeTrdebis yorani, rac

unda xexo qviSiTa~-o, xom gagi-

goniaT?

es nacionaluri yornebi,rac unda xexoT saerTaSo-riso Tanamegobrobis miernakurTxi qviSiT, Zalianacrom moindomon da Zalia-nac rom undodeT, mainc ar,ufro sworad, ver gaTeTr-debian, radgan isini yvelaZarRviT da yvela ujre-diT samudamod arian mier-Tebulni im danaSaulebrivsistemas, romelzec `nac-moZraobaa~ agebuli.

ise, rogorc ar arse-bobs yofili kagebeSniki,aseve ar arsebobs yofili`nacionali~.

es erTi sistemaa, erTi proeq-

tia...

koalicia `qarTul ocnebaSi~

mexuTe kolonad Separuli `nac-

moZraobis~ wevrebi saWiro dros

da saWiro momentSi aucileblad

Seecdebian situaciis Signidan

afeTqebas.

Tu moarul xmebs davujerebT,

isini axlad ewevian ZirgamomTx-

rel saqmianobas da es gansakuT-

rebiT sagrZnobia regionebSi.

erTi SexedviT paradoqsia, ra-

sac axla vityvi, magram rogorc

amboben, koalicia `qarTul ocne-

baSi~ maincdamainc didad ar uy-

varT is adamianebi, romlebic

wlebis ganmavlobaSi sakuTari si-

cocxlis riskis fasad Seupovrad

ebrZodnen `nacmoZraobis~ krimina-

lur-faSistur reJims, samagie-

rod, `nacionaluri~ staJis mqone

pirebs gza xsnili aqvT.

saparlamento umravlesobis

erTma warmomadgenelma aseTi ram

ganacxada: _ `qarTuli ocnebis~

im mxardamWers, romelmac mxo-

lod droSis friali icis, ra

Tqma unda, profesionali `nacio-

nali~ mirCevniao.

girCevnia da gerCivnos, pativ-

cemulo, magram is profesionali

`nacionali~ erT mSvenier dRes

profesionalurad rom Cagartyams

zurgSi danas, amaze Tu gifiqria?

msoflioSi Seqmnili ua-Rresad kritikuli da kri-zisuli mdgomareoba gva-fiqrebinebs, rom 2015 weli,es iqneba umZimesi gamocdisweli qarTuli saxelmwi-fosTvis da, aqedan gamom-dinare, saqarTvelos amJa-mindeli xelisuflebisT-visac.

am situaciaSi, albaT, yvelaze

mTavari is aris, rom SenarCundes

mWirdo kavSiri xalxsa da xeli-

suflebas Soris, amisTvis ki

upirvelesi winapirobaa, arsebob-

des erTianoba, erTi xedva TviTon

xelisuflebis SigniT.

maSin, rodesac qveynis prezi-

denti, giorgi margvelaSvili,

faqtobrivad, gaemijna im politi-

kur gunds, romelmac is xeli-

suflebaSi moiyvana, maSin, rode-

sac arsebobs saSiSroeba, qveynis

prezidenti enjeoebis da opozi-

ciurad ganwyobili Zalebis pre-

zidentad iqces, Znelia ilaparako

erTianobaze da ar ifiqro im Se-

degebze, romlebic am procesebis

ganviTarebasa da gaRrmavebas SeiZ-

leba mohyves.

iseTi STabeWdileba iqm-neba, TiTqos batoni pre-zidenti didi RalatisT-vis emzadeba da masTan er-Tad RalatisTvis emzade-ba koalicia `qarTuli oc-nebis~ zogierTi subieqt-ic.

RmerTma qnas, rom me raRac me-

landebodes da meCvenebodes, mag-

ram Tu es moxda, aman SeiZleba

qveyana didi saSiSroebis winaSe

daayenos.

erTaderTi gza am saSiSroebis

Tavidan asacileblad da mis aR-

sakveTad im politikuri organi-

zaciis gaZliereba da monoliTur

Zalad qcevaa, romelsac `qarTu-

li ocneba _ demokratiuli sa-

qarTvelo~ hqvia da romelic Ta-

vis droze qarTvel xalxTan er-

Tad biZina ivaniSvilma daafuZna.

ufro metsac vityvi _Cven unda davbrundeT iq,saidanac es yvelaferi da-iwyo, anu davbrundeT 2011wlis oqtomberSi da iqi-dan wamovideT aqeT, awmyo-

sa da momavlisken, oRondwamovideT im politikuriparazitebis gareSe, rom-lebic sxvis reitignze, sx-vis politikur dividen-debze gasuqdnen, galaRd-nen, axla ki Ralatisken ga-urbiT Tvali.

vfiqrob, yovelmxriv sa-ukeTeso, yovelmxriv opti-maluri gadawyvetilebaiqneba, Tu am politikuriorganizaciis (`qarTuliocneba _ demokratiulisaqarTvelo~) Tavkacad kv-lav biZina ivaniSvili mog-vevlineba.

SeiZleba zedmetad romanti-

kul ocnebas hgavs is, rac axla

vTqvi, Tumca, rogorc ityvian,

ocnebas kaci ar mouklavs...

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v.x.

vaxtangxarCilava

3#1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w. saerTo gazeTi

arc ise didi xnis win,

frangulma Jurnalma ,,Sarli

ebdom“ Tavis gverdze ganaTav-

sa religiuri datvirTvis

ramdenime karikatura (amas Ta-

vad eZaxdnen karikaturas, To-

rem lanZRva iyo), am ,,karika-

turebs“ SurisZebac male moh-

yva - mokles karikaturebis

avtori, sruliad Cveulebrivi

daqiravebuli mxatvari, rome-

lic xatavda imas, rac Jurna-

lis redaqcias moswonda da

ar xatavda imas, rac Jurna-

lis redaqcias ar moswonda.

es iyo sruliad Cveulebrivi

presis muSaki, romelic Tavis

azrs ki ar avrcelebda, ubra-

lod, xatavda, gamavrcelebe-

li da damkveTi am karikatu-

rebisa iyo swored Jurnali.

cxadia, safrangeTSi datr-

ialebul tragedias didi

xmauri mohyva da im xmaurma

Cvenamdec moaRwia. iqamde rom

gldanis sul bolo mikrora-

ionis sardafSi mcxovrebma

sarababovmac ki amayad ganacxa-

da, televizorSi ,,me Sarli

var“. rogorc Cans, erTob no-

yieri niadagi daxvda saqarTve-

loSi im incidents, romelic

safrangeTSi moxda. saintere-

soa, is faqtic, rom romis

papma Tavis samwysos mouwoda

wesrigisken da Zalian uaryo-

fiTad Seafasa nebismieri re-

ligiis mimarT gakeTebuli ne-

bismieri Seuracxmyofeli gan-

cxadeba.

da mainc, vin moamzada nia-

dagi saqarTveloSi am sa-

kiTxisTvis? ra Tqma unda,

arasamTavrobo seqtorma.

miSas mmarTvelobis peri-

odSi iyo araerTi mcdeloba,

rogorc saqarTvelos eklesi-

is, aseve patriarqis galanZR-

visa, saubari ar aris imaze,

rom patriarqi aris nomer

pirveli avtoriteti saqarT-

veloSi, da viRacas surda es

avtoriteti moeryia. cxadia,

es ase ar aris. imitom, rom

patriarqi Tavisi avtorite-

tiT sulac ar apirebs kenWis

yras romelime Tanamdebobis

dasakaveblad da arc Riad da-

uWeria vinmesTvis mxari, piri-

qiT, radgan eklesia gamijnu-

lia saxelmwifosagan patri-

arqi yvelanairad cdilobs

naklebad Caerios saero saqme-

ebSi da ZiriTadad zneobisa

da ojaxis problemebze amax-

vilebs yuradRebas. maS ra sa-

Wiroa arasamTavroboebis

mxridan eklesiisadmi aseTi

damokidebuleba?

udavoa, rom `kmarasi~ ar

iyos es arasamTavroboebic ra-

Rac politikur mizans isaxa-

ven. ratom undaT am miznis

miRweva maincdamainc eklesiis

diskreditaciis gziT? da sa-

erTod ra undaT am arasamtav-

roboebs da vin arian maTi

warmomadgenelebi?

yvelam viciT rogor iqmne-

ba arasamTavrobo organizacia,

saWiroa moZebno donori, ro-

melic fuls gadagixdis raime

Jurnalis, filmis da a.S. ga-

mocemaSi, am donors unda Ses-

Tavazo magaliTad Ramurebis

uflebebis dacva miuxedavad

imisa, rom Ramurebze aravin

nadirobs da aravin arafers

erCis, saqarTveloSi mainc um-

Zimes mdgomareobaSi arian. am

SeTavazebis miRebis Semdeg

donori ixdis fuls, romli-

Tac arasamTavrobo organiza-

cia Seiswavlis Ramurebis

mdgomareobas, daadanaSaulebs

mTavrobas da mTel qarT-

vel ers imaSi, rom Cven

ar gviyvars Ramurebi

da ar vzrunavT maTze.

Tu dafinanseba didi

iqna, maSin mTeli

eri Ramurebis damc-

velebad unda gada-

viqceT. Tu, mainc-

damainc, didi

ar iqna

oTxi- xuTi aseTi gamocemiT

gadavrCebiT. yovelSemTxvevaSi

ori ram rCeba udavo da ukri-

tiko. pirveli, rom ar vargi-

varT qarTvelebi (ar vicavT

Ramurebs da a.S) da meore,

rom ganviTareba ar gviweria

enjeo seqtoris kargad ganvi-

Tarebis gareSe. Tumca am en-

jeoseqtors nacionalebi ma-

Sinve daerivnen, rogorc ki

miSa movida. mxolod Tavisi

arasamTavrobo seqtori sWir-

debodaT. eSinodaT, rom ro-

gorc TviTon gamoiyenes naci-

onaluri moZraobisTvis saba-

zo organizaciad kmara, aseve

sxva partiasac SeeZlo kadre-

bis gasazrdelad sxva tipis

axalgazxrduli organizaciis

Seqmna . rogorc ki naciona-

lurma moZraobam Cailuris

wyali dalia bokeriam da mis-

Tanebma Zveli xeloba gaixse-

nes da daiwyes axali arasam-

Tavroboebis Seqmna. Tavisuf-

lebis instituti am saqmisT-

vis ukve aRar gamodgeboda.

amitom saWiro iyo arasamTav-

robo organizaciisTvis iseTi

kadrebis gadasrola, rogori-

caa magaliTad policiis kapi-

tani gigauri, romelsac sand-

ro bregaZis TqmiT, vano mera-

biSvilma misca policiis ka-

pitnis wodeba da misTanebi. am

fonze erTob sainteresod ga-

moiyureba vaWaraZe, romelic

mudmivad laparakobs ara ima-

ze, rom viRaca aris dasacavi,

aramed am neokomkavSirlisT-

vis xelaxla gaxda religia

xalxis gonebis bangi da yve-

lanairad cdilobs saxeli ga-

utexos saqarTvelos eklesi-

as, miuxedavad imisa, rom uam-

ravi seqta funqcionirebs sa-

qarTveloSi.

am xalxs erTgavri monopo-

li aqvs aRebuli nebismier en-

jeo aqtivobaze,

maTTan SeuTanx-

meblad verc

g a m o s vl a s

g a a k e T e b

da verc

gamocemas,

faqtobri-

vad es gax-

da Crdilo-

vani kabine-

ti, xeli-

s u f -

lebis alternativa da mkacri

cenzori Zalian bevri Temisa,

jer erTi arasamTavrobo seq-

tori krintsac ver Zravs maT

gareSe, xolo meore, Zalian

bevri Cinovniki Tavs ikavebs

sakuTari azris gamioTqmisgan

imisi SiSiT emand aqcia ar mo-

miwyon da mere televizorSi

ar gamomaWenono. televiziebis

umetesoba mogexsenebaT, vis

xelSia, ase rom, situacia Za-

lian rTulia.

,,,,ssaaeerrTToo ggaazzeeTTii““ ddiiaassppoo-

rriiss ssaakkiiTTxxeebbSSii mmiinniissttrriiss mmoo-

aaddggiilleess,, sandro brega-Zes eessaauubbrraa (mogexsenebaT, ram-

denime arasamTavrobo organizacia

premiers misi postidan gadayene-

bisken mouwodebs).

__ vviinn aarriiaann eess aarraassaammTTaavv-

rroobbooeebbii ddaa rraa mmiizzaannii aaqqvvTT??

_ iciT, aq ramdenime Sem-

TxvevasTan gvaqvs saqme, rome-

lic kompleqsurad aris. er-

Tis mxriv, xSir SemTxvevaSi

es aris fulis Sovnis wyaro.

anu e.w. grantebi, romlebsac

iReben xolme imisTvis, rom

vTqvaT, raime sazizRroba an

saSineleba daweron eklesia-

ze, an Caataron iseTi aqcia,

romelic aranair normebSi ar

jdeba da Semdgom sakmaod se-

riozul grantebs anu prog-

ramebs weren, seriozul gran-

tebs iReben zogierTi organi-

zaciisagan, romelic saqarTve-

los farglebs gareT aris.

erTis mxriv, es aris fulis

Sovnis Sansi da meores mxriv,

Tavis damkvidrebis mcdeloba.

cxovrebaSi xelmocaruli ad-

amianebi cdiloben xolme Tavi

daimkvidron sazogadoebaSi

Tavisi e.w. originaluri gamo-

naTqvamebiT da originaluri

qcevebiT da amisTvis isini

yvela saqmes akeTeben, yvelana-

ir sibinZureze da sibilweze

midian, raTa sazogadoebaSi

raRacnairad Tavi daimkvid-

ron. mesame, es aris pirdapir

SemiZlia giTxraT, arsebobda

wina saukunis dasawyisSi

bolSevikebis mier Seqmnili

uRmerToTa kavSiri aTeiste-

bis kavSiri, romelic ebrZvo-

da yvelanair rwmenas, Semd-

gomSi Tu gaxsovT angrevdnen

eklesiebs, xocavdnen sasuli-

ero pirebs da a.S. mokled,

aseT saSinelebebs akeTebdnen.

ai, es sami raRac kompleqsSia

amaTTan da SegviZlia erTad

ganvixiloT. da meoTxe, rac

mTavari aris, es aris naciona-

luri moZraobis davaleba,

imitom, rom nacionaluri moZ-

raobis liderebi SeiZleba Ta-

mamad miviCnioT am uRmerToTa

kavSirebis sulier Svilebad,

romlebic arian sergo orjo-

nikiZes, filipe maxaraZis da,

ai, am odiozuri figurebis

sulieri Svilebi da isini aZ-

leven TavianTi politikuri

miznebisTvis davalebebs da

esenic am davalebebs asrule-

ben. imitom, rom ratomRac na-

cionaluri moZraoba darwmu-

nebulia imaSi, rom qarTulma

marTlmadideblurma eklesiam

Seitana didi wvlili maT xe-

lisuflebidan CamocilebaSi

da isini fiqroben, rom sanam

iqneba marTlmadidebluri ek-

lesiis roli da avtoriteti

Zlieri, manamde isini xeli-

suflebaSi ver dabrundebian.

__ ssaannddrroo,, uukkvvee mmeessaammeedd iiTT-

xxoovveenn TTqqvveennii ppoossttiiddaann ggaaddaayyee-

nneebbaass......

_ me ras merCian, es nakle-

bad saintereso aris, nebismi-

er adamains erCian, romelic

erovnulad azrovnebs, rome-

lic patriotia Tavisi qveynis

da romlisTvisac ilia WavWa-

vaZis dasaxuli principebi: ma-

muli, ena da sarwmunoeba

aris Zvirfasi da sanukvari.

aq ar aris erT sandro brega-

Zeze laparaki, isini yvela

sandro bregaZes da yvela ko-

leqtiur sandro bregaZes er-

Cian da yvela im adamians er-

Cian, romelic maT mzakvrul

zraxvebs fardas axdis. meo-

res mxriv, maT erTgvar te-

rorSi hyavT saqarTvelos mo-

saxleoba da politika. erTg-

var ufrosebad arian qceulni

da imis ganmsazRvreleblad

Tu vin rogor unda moiqces.

da nebismieri adamiani, rome-

lic maTsaviT ar iqceva an

maT qeds ar uxris maTTvis

aris miuRebeli da amaze te-

xaven erT wivil-kivils da

arian erT ambavSi. da sakmaod

bevri politikosi daSinebu-

lia hyavT SeiZleba ase iTq-

vas, diax, maT eSiniaT maTi. me

mxedrionis ar SemSinebia 18

wlis asakSi damiWires da ma-

wamebdnen da Cems principze

uaris Tqmas maiZulebdnen da

axla amaTi namdvilad ar Se-

meSindeba da arc erT norma-

lur adamians ar SeeSindeba

maTi da arc unda SeeSindes.

yvelam unda icodes, yvela

unda pativs scemdes Tavis

rwmenas, me did pativs vcem

yvela sxva religiur mimdina-

reobas da me maTac, iseve da-

vicav Tuki maT winaaRmdeg iq-

neba aRviraxsnili kampania,

rogorc vicav Cems rwmenas da

Cems religias.

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es arasamTavroboebi mxolod erT sandro

bregaZes ki ara yvela im adamians

ebrZvian, romlebic erovnulad azrovneben

da maT mzakvrul zraxvebs amxelen

sandro bregaZe:

vin marTavs arasamTavroboebs

da ra davaleba aqvT maT?

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`̀pirvel rigSi, saamZimaars

vucxaadeb ukraainaaSi daaRupu-

li qaarTveli jaariskaacis

aaleqsaandre grigolaaSvilis

ojaaxs. yvelaa qaarTveli meomaa-

ri, romelic monaawileobaas

iRebdaa saaqaarTvelos terito-

riuli mTliaanobisTvis waar-

moebul saaomaar viTaarebaaSi,

paativis migebis Rirsiaa, maag-

raam maainc mindaa Sevexo erT

mtkivneul Temaas, romelic

aaris qaarTvelebis omi ukraai-

naaSi. CemTvis mniSvnelobaa aar

aaqvs qaarTvelebi iq romeli

mxaaris saasaargeblod ibrZvi-

aan~, - gaanucxaadaa `̀saaerTo gaa-

zeTs~ moZraaobaa `̀iveriele-

bis~ xelmZRvaanelmaa levankoWloSvilma.

respondentis gaancxaadebiT,

qaarTveli yofili jaariskaace-

bis saaqaarTvelodaan ukraainaaSi

gaadinebaa, kaargaad gaaaazrebuli,

daagegmili provokaaciaaaa, rome-

lic, saaboloo jaamSi, erT-

erTi qaarTuli politikuri

paartiis interesebs emsaaxure-

baa.

levan koWloSvili:`xsenebul partiaSi ra Tqma

unda, `nacionalur moZrao-

bas~ vgulisxmob. mogexsene-

baT, ukrainaSi aqtiurad mim-

dinareobs `nacmoZraobis~

warmomadgenelTa maRal po-

litikur Tanamdebobebze da-

niSvna. veravin damajerebs,

rom mravalmilionian ukrai-

naSi ver moiZebna kvalifici-

uri kadrebi, romlebic dai-

niSnebodnen Sesabamis Tanam-

debobebze da keTilsindisie-

rad Seasrulebdnen dakisre-

bul movaleobas. vfiqrob, aq

sxva interesebia Cadebuli,

kerZod, amerikuli klanis in-

teresebSi Sedis ukrainaSi

qarTvelebis lobireba da is

garemoeba, rom saqarTvelos

damaqcevari mixeil saakaSvi-

li kurirebs iq sakadro po-

litikas. amerikul klanSi

vgulisxmob dik Ceins, jorj

buSi-umcross, saakaSvilis

`mamobil~ makkeins, anu im

adamianebs, romlebic saomar

poltikas qadageben. gaixse-

neT, buSi-umcrosis preziden-

tobis periodi, 11 seqtembris

da sxva teraqtebi, garda ami-

sa, ramden qveyanaSi Seiqna sa-

omari viTareba, sadac sru-

lad iyo CarTuli amerikuli

samxedro Zalebi. Cemi azriT,

rac dRes ukrainaSi xdeba,

aris garkveuli periodis

Semdeg axali talRis agore-

ba da gagrZelebaa, Tumca

sjobs qarTveli jariskace-

bis Temas davubrundeT.

qarTul SeiaraRebul Za-

lebSi darCenilia garkveuli

kontigenti (oficerTa Semad-

genloba), romelic naciona-

lebis mTavrobas mistiris,

Tumca arc maT unda davukar-

goT is Rvawli, rac Tavdac-

vis sferoSi miuZRviT, magram

maTi dRevandeli qmedeba, Cemi

azriT, aucileblad unda

aRikveTos. es adamianebi im

gamocdil, profesional qar-

Tvel samxedroebs, gansakuT-

rebiT umcros oficerTa Se-

madgenlobidan, romlebic ib-

rZodnen 2008 wlis agvistos

omSi, gamovlili aqvT koso-

vos, erayis, avRaneTis samSvi-

dobo misiebi, iseT pirobebs

uqmnian, rom maT qarTuli Se-

iaraRebuli Zalebi datovon.

maT xSirad ucvlian bazas,

umizezod ucxadeben sayvedu-

rebs da a.S. mokled, yvela

xerxiT aiZuleben samsaxuri-

dan wasvlas. zewolis rea-

luri mizezi saguldagulo-

daa SeniRbuli, zemoxsenebul

jariskacebs abraleben, rom

saakaSvilis reJimis dros

isini daaxloebuli iyvnen

mmarTvel elitasTan da maTi

jaridan gaSvebas im motiviT

àpraveben~, rom Semogzavni-

lebi da Sesabamisad arasan-

doni arian. sinamdvileSi

TviTon arian nacionalebis

interesebis gamtareblebi. am

oficrebis vinaobis sajaro

dafiqsirebisgan Tavs Sevika-

veb, magram Tu Sesabamisi

uwyebebi dainteresdebian,

aucileblad viTanamSromleb

gamoZiebasTan, radgan es Cemi

qveynis interesebs waadgeba~.

- nacionalebis

interesebis gata-

rebaSi ras gulis-

xmobT?

- samsaxuridan

iZulebiT wasul

jariskacebTan Sem-

deg midian konkre-

tuli pirebi, rom-

lebic ewevian maT

ase vTqvaT, gadabi-

rebas, ukrainaSi

saomrad Tu wax-

valT, usafrTxo

adgilze iqnebiT, CaTvaleT,

rom eraySi an kosovoSi msa-

xurobT, anazRaurebac kargi

geqnebaTo. am jariskacebisgan

ayalibeben aTkacian jgufebs,

romelic jer stambulSi ga-

dayavT, iq aris Sekrebis ad-

gili, stambulidan ki ukrai-

naSi miyavT. saxelfaso

anazRaureba TveSi

3000-dan 7000 aSS

dolaramdea, gasamrje-

los odenoba damokide-

bulia jariskacis pro-

fesionalizmze da da-

debuli xelSekrule-

bis pirobebze. dameTan-

xmebiT, sakmaod mimzid-

veli SeTavazebaa, miT

umetes umuSevrad dar-

Cenili mebrZolisTvis,

Tanac im fonze, roca

qarTul jarSi `kont-

raqtnikis~ Tviuri

anazRaureba, maqsimum,

1000-1200 laria. rac

ufro met profesio-

nal mebrZols gadaibi-

reben da gaagzavnian

ukrainaSi, bunebrivia,

miT ufro met qulas

iweren nacionalebi ma-

vanTa winaSe, ra Sedegi SeiZ-

leba moyves maT amgvar qmede-

bas, ar aRelvebT, radgan sa-

qarTvelos saxelmwifo inte-

resebi maTTvis arasdros

arafers niSnavda. amis dama-

dasturebeli erTi faqtic

minda moviyvano. maSin, rode-

sac ukrainaSi daRupuli qar-

Tveli jariskacis saqarTve-

loSi gadmosvenebaze iyo sa-

ubari, `rusTavi-2~-is gadace-

ma àrCevanSi~ erT-erTi qar-

Tuli batalionis yofilma

meTaurma mamuka mamulaS-vilma, romelic e.w. qar-

Tul legions xelmZRvane-

lobs ukrainaSi, gaakeTa gan-

cxadeba, rom Turme aleq-sandre grigolaSvilsundoda muxaTgverdis ZmaTa

sasaflaoze dakrZaluliyo.

erTi SexedviT, sruliad

uwyinari gancxadebaa, im ja-

riskacis survilis Sesrule-

bazea saubari, romelic 2008

wlis omSi ibrZoda da wle-

bis ganmavlobaSi emsaxurebo-

da qarTul SeiaraRebul Za-

lebs, romelic ubralod uk-

rainaSi daiRupa. aq mniSvne-

lovani isaa, ra Sedegi moyve-

ba mamulaSvilis piriT

gacxadebul survilis Ses-

rulebas. Cven Tu ukrainaSi

daRupul jariskacs ZmaTa sa-

saflaoze davkrZalavdiT, ga-

modis igi saqarTvelos saxe-

liT ibrZoda ukrainaSi, anu

xsenebuli `qarTuli legio-

nis~ formirebaSi qarTuli

saxelmwifoc aqtiuradaa

CarTuli da politikur do-

neze, oRond araoficialurad

exmareba ukrainas.

axla rac Seexeba Tavad

ukrainaSi mimdinare procese-

bs. raoden gasakviric ar un-

da iyos, mixeil saakaSvili

iq erT-erTi seriozuli fi-

guraa, magram aranakleb mniS-

vnelovani figuraa zurabadeiSvili, romelic, rog-

orc wesi, arsad Cans. vgu-

lisxmob ukrainis xelisuf-

lebasa da nacionalebs Soris

urTierTobas, saqarTveloSi

parlamentari givi Targa-maZe kurirebda, magram ade-

iSvilis klanma is CaaCoCa da

axla am funqcias giorgivaSaZe da daviT sayva-reliZe asruleben. esenic

parlamentarebi arian, ase

rom, gamodis xsenebuli pro-

cesebi saqarTvelos sakanonm-

deblo organodan imarTeba.

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bi Tavis droze maidanzec ga-

modiodnen ase vTqvaT, ukrai-

nis damoukideblobis mxarda-

saWerad. nacionali deputa-

tebi saqarTvelos parlamen-

tSic mividnen ukrainis dro-

SebiT da Cvens mTavrobas

okupantebis mxardaWeraSi

adanaSaulebdnen, anu es aris

`kargad~ gawerili, didi

xnis win dawyebuli provoka-

cia, igive ukrainaSi dawyebu-

li saomari viTarebac. yvela-

ze cudi isaa, rom am yvela-

ferSi SeiZleba saqarTveloc

gaiWylitos, saakaSvilisa da

misi gundis qmedebebiT gaRi-

zianebulma ruseTma ar aris

gamoricxuli saqarTvelos

mimarT saomari viTareba gana-

axlos, rac isev nacionale-

bis wisqvilze daasxams

wyals da ratom. rogorc

giTxariT, saakaSvilis ameri-

keli lobistebi is

gundia, romelic aq-

tiurad eweva omis

propagandas, isini

CarTuli arian iara-

Ris biznesSi, rac ma-

Ti Semosavlis Ziri-

Tadi wyaroa, aqedan

gamomdinare, saomari

viTarebebi maTTvis

momgebiania. faqtobri-

vad, maT ukanac viRa-

cebi dganan. amerikaSi

arian rokfelerebis,

morganebis da a.S.

ojaxebi, romelTa

xelSicaa saaviacio

kompaniebi, gazi, nav-

Tobi. igive dik Ceini,

jorj buSi, obama da

nebismieri politiku-

ri figura, faqtobri-

vad am ojaxebis mari-

onetebi arian, radgan maTzea

damokidebuli vin gaxdeba

aSS-is prezidenti, anu poli-

tikas isini gansazRvraven.

vfiqrob, mkiTxvelisTvis

interesmoklebuli ar iqneba

imis garkveva, Tu ratom

airia eraySi situacia, saidan

wamovida es e.w. musulmanuri

saxelmwifo (xalifati) da

ras ukavSirdeba es yvelafe-

ri. daaxloebiT 6-8 Tvis win,

ruseTma erayTan miaRwia Se-

Tanxmebas, rom `lukoili~

Sesuliyo erayis teritoria-

ze da oci wlis ganmavloba-

Si navTobis mopoveba ewarmo-

ebina. did saidumloebas ar

warmoadgens, rom erayis yo-

fili lideri sadam huse-ini amerikuli proeqti iyo

da am qveynis gegmas axorcie-

Tu Sesabamisi uwyebebi dainteresdebian,

aucileblad viTanamSromleb gamoZiebasTan

da im oficrebis vinaobas davasaxeleb,

romlebic xels uwyoben qarTveli

jariskacebis wasvlas ukrainis omSi

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lebda iranis winaaRmdeg.

mogvianebiT, roca aSS-ma e.w.

ekonomikuri mkvlelebi Seag-

zavna eraySi sadam huseinis

`dasaverbovkeblad~, razec

man uari ganacxada, huseini

ase vTqvaT, gaaneitrales da

misi CamoxrCobis scenac gvaC-

venes. amis Semdeg eraySi e.w.

demokratiuli mTavroba mo-

vida, romelsac egona, rom

marTla demokratiis gziT

movida da yvelafris gakeTe-

bis ufleba da saSualeba

hqonda, magram saakaSvilis

Tqmisa ar iyos, nuras ukac-

ravad. pirvelad swored

eraySi moxda areuloba, mu-

sulmanuri saxelmwifoc iq

Seiqmna da mere siriis teri-

toriaze gadavida. xalifatis

Temam zustad imitom wamoi-

wia, rom rusul investiciebs

problema Seqmnoda eraySi,

magram ruseTma sapasuxod

sakmaod Wkvianuri nabiji ga-

dadga, es investiciebs sxva

mimarTuleba misca. kerZod,

putinma kolosaluri Tanxebi

Cado groznos sareabilita-

ciod da es qalaqi brwyinva-

led aris gakeTebuli, riTac

putinma musulmanuri sazoga-

doeba moimadliera. garda

amisa, realurad amerikis mi-

er Seqmnil xalifats uerT-

debian ruseTSi mcxovrebi

ase vTqvaT, meamboxe musulma-

nebi, romlebic gavlenas ax-

denen xalifatis xelisuf-

lebis maRal eSelonebze, ga-

dadian siriaSi, sadac garda-

mavali procesia da ruseTs

ra interesic eqneba, is ga-

tardeba. xalifati realu-

rad aris bombi, romelsac

ruseTi Tavis Sexedulebisa-

mebr gamoiyenebs, anu es bom-

bi man amerikas xelidan gamo-

acala. Tan es yvelaferi im

fonze xdeba, rodesac ruseT-

ma yirimel TaTrebs, anu mu-

sulmanebs, interesebi dauk-

mayofila, daarwmuna, rom

iqauri musulmanuri sazoga-

doebis problemebis mogvare-

ba da yvela rgolSi urTier-

Tobebis dalageba yvelaze

kargad ruseTs SeuZlia. ase-

ve im fonze, rodesac ruseT-

sa da TurqeTs Soris ekono-

mikuri urTierTobis maCvene-

beli sakmaod gazrdilia, ra-

sac mainc da mainc xmamaRla

ar acxadeben.

natos jaris kontingen-

tis 80%-s realurad Turqe-

Tis jari Seadgens, TurqeTs

erTmilioniani regularuli

armia hyavs. rogor ggoniaT,

TurqeTis interesebSi Seva,

Tu natom ar miiRo Sesabami-

si gadawyvetilebebi, balti-

ispireTisa da sxva patara

qveynebis, an Tundac ukrainis

interesebis dakmayofileba,

Tavisi jariskacebiT maT Tav-

dacvaze zrunva Tuki ruseTi

daupirispirdeba? vfiqrob

TurqeTi aseT riskze aravi-

Tar SemTxvevaSi ar wava, mi-

Tumetes, roca misi ekonomi-

ka mibmulia ruseTze. ras

niSnavda safrangeTSi bolo

dros momxdari teraqtebi,

rac Zalze did provokaciad

mimaCnia.

- vis mier mowyobil pro-

vokaciad da ratom?

- albaT, isev im adamiane-

bis mxridan, romlebic omis

propagandas ewevian. es yve-

laferi bmaSia saqarTvelos-

Tanac, ukrainasTanac da ru-

seTTanac, magram CvenTan pir-

dapir bmaSia. daakvirdiT, ro-

gor gviqcies pankiseli axal-

gazrda xalifatis erT-erT

liderad. baTiraSvilirealurad iq amxela gavlene-

biT ar sargeblobs. ubralod

`nacmoZraobis~ interesebSi

Sedis, rom moxdes am adamia-

nis rolis gabuqeba, misi gav-

lenian figurad warmoCena,

romelic realurad marTavs

iqaurobas. es saqarTvelos

saerTaSoriso imijis Sesa-

laxad keTdeba, radgan baTi-

raSvili saqarTvelos moqa-

laqea.

modiT, safrangeTSi momx-

dar teraqtebis Temas davub-

rundeT. Cveni premier-minist-

ri aucileblad unda wasu-

liyo safrangeTSi teroriz-

mis dasagmobad, magram ar min-

da is didi msvleloba, lo-

zungiT `me Sarli var~ mu-

sulmanur samyarosTan dapi-

rispirebis sawyisi iyos, ara

marto saqarTvelos,

aramed mTeli msof-

liosi, radgan es me-

same msoflio omze

migviTiTebs. es mu-

sulmanebisTvis saRv-

To omi iqneba, rac

ukontrolo proce-

sebs warmoSobs, es

Zalze cudia CvenT-

visac, radgan faq-

tobrivad musulma-

nuri qveynebiT varT

garSemortymuli. bu-

nebrivad Cndeba

kiTxva, vis intere-

sebSi Sedis religiuri

dawyeba, maSin, rodesac Cine-

Ti jerjerobiT asea gaCere-

buli da elodeba albaT imas,

rom moxdes religiuri dapi-

rispireba. is ukve mega sa-

xelmwifoa, aqvs ganviTarebu-

li ekonomika da Zlieri Sei-

araReba, erTaderTi problema

misTvis miwaa. vfiqrob, Cine-

Ti swored msoflioSi viTa-

rebis arevas elodeba, rom

gadavides Setevaze da miisa-

kuTros teritoriebi. ubedu-

reba imaSia, rom rodesac

ukontrolo situacia iwyeba

ukrainaSi, daZabulobaa siri-

aSi, safrangeTSi xdeba aseTi

faqti, rasac mTeli musulma-

nuri samyaro ahyva. tero-

rizms ar vamarTleb, magram

arc me veTanxmebi im Jurna-

lis qmdebas, muhamedis gaSar-

Jebas. marTlmadidebeli qris-

tiani var, magram sxvis sar-

wmunoebas did pativs vcem, am

Jurnalma Cveni religiac ga-

aSarJa, rac qristianebisTvi-

sac Zalze Seuracxmyofelia,

am gamocemis saqciels Cemi

azriT, gamarTleba ar aqvs.

realurad es procesebi SeiZ-

leba Zalian did qaosSi ga-

daizardos. musulmanuri

saRvTo omis procesebi yve-

laze gvian amerikas miadgeba,

magram manamde naxevari msof-

lio aireva. aqedan gamomdina-

re, didZali iaraRi iqneba ga-

moyenebuli, riTac konkretu-

li adamianebi, anu iaraRis

biznesSi CarTuli personebi

kolosalur mogebas miiReben.

- amgvari areulobiT al-

baT saakaSvilic naxavs did

materialur sargebels. av

enebs Tu davujerebT, is da

misi generali biZa Temur

alasaniac seriozulad arian

CarTuli iaraRis ukanono

biznesSi.

- ra Tqma unda, saakaSvi-

li ukrainaSi arsebuli viTa-

rebiT materialur sargebel-

sac iRebs da politikur di-

videndebsac, aCvenebs, rom

isev aqvs gavlena saqarTve-

loSi, SeuZlia jariskacebis

mobilizeba da ukrainaSi Sey-

vana, damabruneT saqarTvelo-

Si da ukrainas gamovucxadeb

solidarobas, samxedro mxar-

daWeras, rac Zalian sarfiani

SeTavazeba iyos. jerjerobiT

saakaSvili im etapze hyavT

SeCerebuli, rom igi zurabadeiSvilTan erTad ukra-inaSi politikur elitas

alagebs, raTa yvelanairi

berketi hqondes rac darCa

faqtobrivad ukrainisgan,

imis sakontroleblad. darw-

munebuli var, igi sakuTari

politikuri karieris gamo

nebismier qveyanas, maT Soris

ruseTsac langriT miarTmevs

yvelafers, oRond isev moi-

povos saqarTveloze gavlena.

amitomac mimaCnia miuReblad

qarTveli jariskacebis ukra-

inis omSi CarTuloba.

gaazreba Wirdeba, Tu vin

mogviwodebs ukrainaSi mebr-

Zoli qarTveli jariskacebis

mxardaWerisken. im jariska-

cebs minda mivmarTo, rome-

lic ukrainaSi wasvlas fiq-

roben, Cemo kargebo, es aris

didi provokacia, adamianebi,

romlebic dRes vizirebas gi-

keTeben TurqeTsa da ukraina-

Si, amiT sakuTar bizness ake-

Teben Tqveni janmrTelobisa

da sicocxlis xarjze, rac

yvelaze mTavaria, es is xal-

xia, romlebmac 2008 wlis

omSi rusebs pirispir Sega-

tovaT da gaiqca, daRupuli

jariskacebic ki ar gadmoas-

venes. ukrainaSi Tqveni wasv-

la antisaxelmwifoebrivi

qmedeba gamodis, erT dros

Tu Tqven sakuTari sicocx-

lis fasad saqarTvelos in-

teresebs icavdiT, dRes SeiZ-

leba is adamianebi gaxdeT,

romlebmac saqarTvelos in-

teresebi gauazreblad gayida.

- nacionalebis ukrainaSi

maRal Tanamdebobebze daniSv-

nam sxva safrTxeebic SeiZle-

ba Seuqmnas saqarTvelos?

- mogexsenebaT, ukrainis

bazarzec gadis Cveni Rvino

da sxva produqcia, antiko-

rufciuli samsaxuri, rom-

lis xelmZRvaneladac zurab

adeiSvils moiazreben, rea-

lurad aris is iaraRi, rom-

liTac nebismier firmas Se-

uZliaT problemebi Seuqmnan.

magaliTad Rvinis qarxnebs

moviyvan, rodesac saqarTve-

lodan konteinerebiT gaig-

zavneba Rvino, adgilze fi-

nansuri problemebis Seqmnis

gamo, ar gadmoericxoT qarx-

nebs Tanxebi, an gaufuWon

produqcia. saomari mdgoma-

reobis momizezebiT am Tanxe-

bis amoReba Turme ukve Wirs,

anu realurad es ukve da-

sawyisia. garda amisa, gasage-

bi mizezebis gamo ukrainam

dakarga ruseTis, misTvis yve-

laze didi gasaRebis bazari,

veRar gaaqvs is produqtebi

(zeTi, rZis produqtebi, fr-

inveli), romelic didi rao-

denobiT iwarmoeba ukrainaSi.

es produqcia axla qarTul

bazarze imkvidrebs adgils.

ukraineli biznesmenebi da me-

warmeebi faqtobrivad gamou-

val mdgomareobaSi aRmoCnd-

nen, amitom ase vTqvaT, Cawo-

lili produqcia mravlad

gamouSves saqarTveloSi, Ta-

nac mizerul fasad. rogorc

ki es produqcia amoiyideba

dabal fasebSi, aucileblad

moxdeba fasebis zrda. xsene-

buli antikorufciuli samsa-

xuris meSveobiT saqarTvelo-

Si importirebuli yvela

produqti fasnamatiT Semova.

dabalfasianma ukrainulma

produqtma adgilobrivi war-

moebis produqcia TiTqmis

gandevna Cveni bazridan, Cvens

mewarmeebs ukve SeeqmnaT

problemebi. mere fasebi mate-

bas rom daiwyebs, gamova ra-tiani, jafariZe, maWava-riani an romelime sxva na-

ci da ityvis saqarTvelos

ekonomika safrTxeSiao, ra-

sac mTavrobas daabralebs,

arada sinamdvileSi xelovnu-

radaa Seqmnili es situacia.

didi imedi maqvs, rom Cveni

samTavrobo ekonomikuri gun-

di muSaobs am sakiTxze da

raime berkets SeimuSaveben.

rac Seexeba ukrainis bazars,

eqsportTan dakavSirebiT ma-

inc da mainc did problemas

ver Segviqmnian, radgan ruse-

Tis bazari ukve gaxsnili

gvaqvs, mimdinare wlidan uf-

ro meti produqciis eqspor-

ti moxdeba ruseTSi.

manana suxiSvili599 51 28 24

6 saerTo gazeTi #1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w.

aaddvvookkaattii Salva xaWapu-riZe ,,,,ssaaeerrTToo ggaazzeeTTTTaann““ qqvveeyyaa-

nnaaSSii mmiimmddiinnaarree ppoolliittiikkuurr pprroo-

cceesseebbss aaffaasseebbss ddaa sskkaannddaalluurr

ggaannccxxaaddeebbeebbss aakkeeTTeebbss..

_ daviwyeb imiT, rom Zali-

an mniSvnelovania, vin iqneba is

dimitri gelovani, romelic

uzenaesi sasamarTlos Tavjdo-

maris posts daikavebs, radgan

2015 wlis politikaSi da sa-

erTodac, 2012 wlis pirveli

oqtombris arCevnebis Semdeg, es

yvelaze mniSvnelovani daniSvna

da arCeva iqneba.

_ vin aris is dimitri ge-

lovani, vinc unda Caibaros es

posti, batono Salva?

_ ra Tqma unda, me myavs Cem-

Tvis warmodgenili is kandida-

ti, vinc SeiZleba iyos es ada-

miani, magram am etapze misi gva-

ris dasaxelebisgan Tavs Sevika-

veb. ra Tqma unda, me aseve vici

im adamainebis gvarebi, romle-

bic ar SeiZleba iyvnen uzenaesi

sasamarTlos Tavjdomaris pos-

tze da am gvarebis dasaxele-

bisganac Tavs Sevikaveb. es aris

erTgvari testi xelisuflebis-

Tvis Tu rogor SeZlebs konse-

susis miRwevas, radgan Tu ar

moxda konsesusis miRweva pre-

zidents, parlamentsa da mTav-

robas Soris, maSin es posti

did xans iqneba Tavisufali da

Tu didxans iqneba Tavisufali,

CaTvaleT, rom uzenaesi sasa-

marTlos Tavjdomaris movale-

obas kublaSvilis erT-erTi

moadgile Seasrulebs, rac imas

niSnavs, rom sasamarTlo isev

nacmoZraobis, anu partiuli

niSnis qveS darCeba, rac katas-

trofaa da risi daSvebac ar

SeiZleba.

saTadarigo skamze bevri kan-

didati zis, erTi Tu Caixsneba,

meore kandidatic iqaa da a.S.

amas xelisuflebam seriozuli

yuradReba unda miaqcios, maT

hyavT Sesabamisi uwyebebi, vinc

unda swavlobdes am sakiTxebs.

_ ara marto am sakiTxs,

ager, iakobaSvilis (ufro swo-

red, niJaraZis, romelsac keze-

raSvilma ukanonod CamoarTva

qoneba) kuTvnili terminali

foTis portSi rusulma nav-

Tobkompania ,,rosneftma“ iyida,

es sakiTxi ar unda Seeswavla

xelisuflebas, strategiul

obieqtzea saubari?!

_ 16-Si me-5 priCalTan da-

kavSirebiT iyo sasamarTlo,

aseve isev foTis portidan ga-

momdinare iyo ori dava: pativi-

sa da Rirsebis ayrisa, sadac me

da Cemi dacvis qveS myof niJa-

raZes kezeraSvili gviCivis. mi-

lioni unda, rom gadavuxado,

kezeraSvils pativi da Rirseba

Sevulaxe Turme. mosamarTles,

vinc es gadawyvetileba gamoi-

tana vuTxari, Tqveni droc mo-

va-meTqi da man calke miCivla

eTikis komisiaSi. me naciona-

lebma pirdapir SemomiTvales,

rom Tu ar CamovSordebodi am

saqmes yvelafers gaakeTebdnen

imisTvis, rom xeli SemSloda

saadvokato saqmianobaSi da ama-

ze seriozulad muSaoben. am

dReebSi vapireb mivmarTo pro-

kuraturas gancxadebiT, rom

Cems saadvokato saqmianobas xe-

li eSleba garkveuli jgufis

mxridan da moviTxovo, rom Ca-

tardes gamoZieba. aq kezeraSvi-

lisa da saakaSvilis garda Car-

Tulni arian mosamarTleebi da

mTeli jgufi iuristebisa. ar

minda gvarebi winaswar davasaxe-

lo, sakmaod seriozul surp-

rizs vumzadeb. kategoriulad

moviTxov am adamainebis mimarT

aRiZras sisxlis samarTlis

saqme. movuwodeb, advokatTa

asociaciis Tavjdomares, baton

zaza xatiaSvils xma amoiRos

am ukanono qmedebebze.

pirvelad vakeTeb

oficialur gancxa-

debas da mivmarTav

p ro kur atur a s ,

rom daiwyos sisx-

lis samarTlebir-

vi devna. iciT, me,

rom vyvirodi fo-

Tis ports ,,ros-

nefti“ yidu-

lobs- meTqi

kaciS-

vili xmas ar iRebda da rom

iyida, mere Seiqmna raRac aJio-

taJi.

vimeoreb, prokuratura 2

welia iZiebs da gamoZiebuli

aqvs ukve es saqme. daskvnaSi

udevs, rom ukanonod waarTva

kezeraSvilma niJaraZes es qone-

ba. niJaraZes 2010 wels poli-

cielebi saxlSi miadgnen, Sida

patimrobaSi hyavdaT, Semdeg da-

yavdaT safinanso policiaSi ke-

zeraSvilis brZanebiT, 10 adami-

ani daupatimres, moTxoves 10

milioni, miatanines, Semdeg ga-

daaformebines me-5 da me-2

`priCali~, da amaze mimdinare-

obs davebi sasamarTloSi. dava-

deT yadaRa kezeraSvilis qone-

bas, ris Semdegac kezeraSvi-

lisgan iyo muqara. niJaraZes

manqanac ki aufeTqes da amazec

dawyebulia gamoZiebebi, magram

jerjerobiT, araferia gamoZie-

buli. anu damTavrebuli ar

aris da konkretuli Sedegi

xelSi ar gvikavia. amasobaSi wa-

vida kezeraSvili da miyida

iakobaSvils es qoneba, iakobaS-

vilma miyida rosnefts da visia

rosnefti? arkvios axla im ko-

misiam. prokuraturam dakiTxa 4

kaci da damTavrda amiT saqme.

yadaRa davadeT samoqalaqo we-

siT da sanam rosnefti iyidda

am qonebas da gaJRerdeboda es,

2 wlis win dadebuli yadaRa

yidvamde 3 dRiT adre saqalaqo

sasamarTlom moxsna, anu marT-

vad procesebTan gvaqvs saqme

xom? raRa, maincdamainc, axla,

`rosneftis~ yidvamde sami

dRiT adre moxda yadaRis mox-

sna? da dRes unamusod gamodis

nacmoZraoba da acxadebs, dava-

yenebT xelisuflebis pasuxim-

geblobis sakiTxso, amaT namusi

aqvT saerTod ?! e.i. ra donis

muSaoba aqvT, Tavad gayides da

aqeT xelisuflebis pa-

suxismgeblobis sa-

kiTxs ayeneben.

_ pirdapir

gkiTxavT, rasTan

gvaqvs saqme qar-

Tul mxaresa da

rosneftis xelm-

ZRvanelobas So-

ris arsebul fa-

rul garigebasTan?

xelisuflebis

gverdis avliT moxdeboda es,

maSin mTlad uaresi?!

_ xelisuflebis gverdis

avliT moxdeboda, radgan kerZo

sakuTrebaa da saxelmwifo ama-

Si ver Caereoda, magram iq aris

erTi mniSvnelovani sakiTxi fo-

Tis ports miniWebuli aqvs

qveynisTvis strategiuli obi-

eqtis statusi, anu iq ganxor-

cielebuli nebismieri yidva-ga-

yidvaze saxelmwifos unda eWi-

ros ori Tvali Tu ara, cali

Tvali mainc. da es radgan ar

moxda, miT umetes, roca berke-

ti Sen gaqvs, saqme ager gaqvs

da obieqtur da droul gamoZi-

ebas Tu Caatareb gamoZiebis Se-

degi imdenad naTelia, rom ub-

ralod sxva Sedegs ver dadeb

garda imisa, rom daubruneb am

qonebas mepatrones. am mepatro-

nesac, rom mosdomeboda Semdeg

foTis portis gayidva, radgan

strategiuli obieqtia, iqac ki

Sen unda Careuliyavi da gekon-

trolebina es situacia. Zalian

martivia es, axla gamyidveli

kezeraSvili iqneboda, xaWapu-

riZe Tu niJaraZe, radgan stra-

tegiuli obieqtia, ase unda mo-

iqce, quTaisSi arsebul benzin-

gasamarT sadgurs xom ar vyi-

diT, ara ? da vin gaxdeba am

benzingasamarTi sadguris mepat-

rone naklebad gvaRelvebs?! aq

saubaria, Sens karibWeze, saida-

nac Semogdis produqti, navTo-

bi, yvelaferi praqtikulad,

amiT vcocxlobT da es umniSv-

nelovanesia, xom?! baTumis por-

ti kidev sxvebis, yazaxebis

xelSia (isini gayidvas apireben

da ver yidian). warmoidgineT,

ruseTs, rom daWirdes xval di-

liT gadagviketavs amas. yazaxe-

Ti evraziul kavSirSia, foTis

porti rosneftis xelSia da

gadagviketavs am or ports da

darCeba saxelmwifo mSier -

mwyurvale. ra abreSumis gzaze

gvaqvs saerTod laparaki. abre-

Sumis gza ki ara, saWmel- sas-

meli da manqana veRar gaivlis

quCaSi da katastrofasTan Se-

iZleba gvqondes saqme.

_ ratom moxda es? imitom,

rom damnaSave kezeraSvils xe-

li aravin axlo? ras hqvia

iakobaSvils miyida naZarcvi, mi-

tacebuli qoneba, andac, iako-

baSvilma ar icoda, rom naqur-

dali iyo?

_ iakobaSvili akeTebs ofi-

cialur gancxadebas, rom, ro-

desac gavicani kezeraSvili mi-

nistri ar iyo, arc sajaro mo-

xele iyo, damisaxeles, rogorc

patiosani kaci da avdeqi da vi-

yide es yvelaferio. kezeraSvi-

li iZaxis, araferi wamirTmevia

niJaraZesTvis, saerTod araviTa-

ri kavSiri ar maqvso, iakobaS-

vili ki iZaxis, kezeraSvilsi-

gan viyideo da amas arkvevs sa-

samarTlo amdeni xania kezeraS-

vili iyo marTla wamrTmevi, Tu

kezeraSvils ar waurTmevia da

niJaraZem ramdenime aseul mili-

onad Rirebuli qoneba aTas la-

rad miyida Turme kezeraSvils.

Tqven ra ggoniaT, rom rosnef-

tma foTis portis yidvis sa-

kiTxi guSin gadawyvita? iako-

baSvilma `rosneftTan~ molapa-

rakeba foTis portTan dakavSi-

rebiT erTi wlis win daiwyo.

CvenTvis gaxda es cnobili da

oficialuri werili mivwereT

`rosnefts~. vuTxariT, am qone-

bebze mimdinareobs dava da Tu

Tqven SeiZenT, icodeT, rom ara-

keTilsindisieri SemZeni iqne-

biT-meTqi.

_ acxadebT, gamoZieba das-

rulebuliao... axla gamosavali

ra aris?

_ diax, anu miiyvanon bo-

lomde, saqme, romelic proku-

raturaSi devs, damTavrdes, sa-

samarTlom miiRos kanonieri ga-

dawyvetilebebi da damTvarda,

daibrunebs niJaraZe qonebas. vi-

meoreb, am procesebze pulsze

xeli gvekava, Cven vicodiT es

da rosneftis warmomadgenlebs

erTi wlis ganmavlobaSi weri-

lebs vwerdiT. sxvaTa Soris, iq

kalaZis gvari ar amotivtivebu-

la da es CvenTvis simarTle

giTxraT, ucxo da gamaognebeli

iyo, pasuxebi ar gavqvs. iq ka-

laZe da qarTuli mxare ar fi-

gurirebda da axla Tu raime

farulad iyo ar vici. albaT es

komisia amis gasarkvevad Seiqm-

na, Torem komisiam ra daskvnac

ar unda dados, es daskvna vera-

nairad veRar imoqmedebs im yid-

va- gayidvis xelSekrulebaze.

aq gamoZiebam da sasamarTlom

unda imoqmedos. komisiam SeiZ-

leba gamoavlinos Tu vinme iyo

qarTuli mxaredan Careuli da

mere mimarTos prokuraturas

gamoiZieTo, an SeiZleba Tqvas,

ukanonod moxda es gayidvao da

rad unda amas kaco komisia,

ager aris, mivcem dokumentebs.

rad unda amas komisiis Seqmna,

qoneba warTmeuli, rom aris 2

wuTSi davumtkiceb. xelisuf-

lebis braleuloba ra ris? sa-

samarTlo xelisuflebam pirda-

piri roli iTamaSa saqmis gaWi-

naurebaSi da Tavis ukanono ga-

dawyvetilebebiT miyida stra-

tegiuli obieqti amJamad sao-

mar mdgomareobaSi myof saxel-

mwifos, putinis jibis kompani-

as, rosnefti saxelmwifo kom-

paniaa oficialurad. Semovidnen

wiTlebi, atyda davidaraba, ro-

mel partias ekuTvnis eZgeraZe


rusebis morigi davaleba da

foTis porti `rosnefts~ mihyida...

Salva xaWapuriZe:

8 gv.

saakaSvils aqvs kidev erTi davaleba

Sesasrulebeli - gamoiwvios destabilizacia,

sisxlisRvra, qveyana gaexves qaosSi

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7#1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w. saerTo gazeTi

_„RaRadisi udabnosa Sina!“ _

aravin uwyis vis wamocda pirve-

lad es RrmaSinaarsiani fraza,

magram saqarTveloSi, Savi zRvis

sanapiroze „Rrmawyliani portis“

garSemo Seqmnil situacias rom

zedmiwevniT ergeba - wyalgauva-

lia!

imdeni vwere am Temaze, rom ar

megona Tu kidev raime damrCa ga-

sarkvevi da uTqmeli, magram, ro-

gorc vxedav, kidev bevri ram yo-

fila „gasasajaroebeli“, rogorc

„evro-amerikuli“ demokratiis

motrfialeebi ityvian xolme!

bolo sami wlis manZilze, me-

samed gamoCnda komkavSirul-komu-

nistur aRzevebas vermoswrebuli,

giorgi TargamaZesTan erTad qar-

Tveli amomrCevlisgan politikur

sanagveSi adgilmiCenili gia Wan-

turia da yovel jerze maSin ga-

aqtiurda, roca arsebuli xeli-

suflebis sisute igrZno!

sakiTxavia, nuTu, b-n gia Wan-

turias araferi smenia „anakliaSi

Rrmawyliani portis mSenebloba-

ze“?!.

_Tu gia Wanturias araferi

smenia, saqarTvelos mTavrobam ma-

inc xom unda icodes amis Sesa-

xeb?

mkiTxvels Sevaxseneb, _ saqar-

Tvelos mTavrobam, gasul wels

gamoacxada konkursi, _ „Savi

zRvis sanapiroze, anakliaSi,

Rrmawyliani portis mSenebloba“-

sTan dakavSirebiT da msurvelebs

15 oqtombramde daudgina sabuTe-

bis Setanis vada konkursSi mona-

wileobisaTvis!

_gacxadda rom Tormetma kom-

paniam gamoTqva survili anakli-

aSi mega-portis, mSeneblobaSi mo-

nawileobis misaRebad. wina saa-

xalwlo dReebSi gamocxadda, rom

pirveli SerCevis Semdeg, monawi-

leTa raodenoba Svidamde davida

da maT Soris darCa „ANAKLIAPORT & INDUSTRIAL ECOPARK CONSORTIUM“-i, romel-

mac saerTaSoriso standartebiT,

sabanko da saproeqto dokumenta-

ciebiT dasabuTebuli winadadeba

warmoadgina, romelic mSeneblo-

bas sam etapad da misi dasrule-

bis vadas 5-6 wliT Semofarglav-

da. aseve, sakonkurso winadadeba-

Si gamoTqva werilobiTi survi-

li, rom hidro energetikuli da

soflis meurneobis proeqtebis

ganviTarebasa da mSeneblobaSi mi-

iRebda monawileobas.

zemoTxsenebuli „konsorciu-

mis“-is sakonkurso winadadebis

praqtikuli gagrZeleba aRmoCnda

Sps „mtkvaris“ mier SemoTavaze-

buli, 2013 wels, saqarTvelos

mTavrobis mier mowonebuli, _

„mdinare mtkvarze, 330 megavati

simZlavris, kaskaduri elsadgu-

rebis mSeneblobis proeqtis da-

finanseba da gasuli wlis pirvel

dekembers xelmowerili memoran-

dumi, romelic 620 milioni ame-

rikuli dolaris investicias iT-

valiswinebs“.

_SesaZloa amis Sesaxeb arafe-

ri icodes batonma Wanturiam da

amitom „abolebs“, misi azriT,

„didi fulis“ unaxav (imasac am-

boben fulze gawuwkebul) qarT-

vel Cinovnikebs da kacma rom

Tqvas sworia Wanturias gaTvle-

bi, magram qarTveli Cinovnikebi

ratom duman?

_maT xom kargad uwyian ze-

moTmoyolili saqmis Sesaxeb?

_ratom ar axsena saqarTve-

los ekonomikis ministrma gia

Wanturias naTqvamis komentirebi-

sas, rom, _ anaklia portis mSe-

neblobis dafinansebis sakiTxi ga-

dawyvetilia, Cven mxolod ukeTe-

si variantis arCevanis problema

gvaqvs da sxva proeqtebi saxelm-

wifo doneze ar ganixilebao?!.

_mkiTxvels vTxov cudad ar

gamigos, me kalami ar gamqcevia,

roca vacxadeb, _ „anaklia por-

tis mSeneblobis dafinansebis sa-

kiTxi gadawyvetilia“!

es swored rom asea, saqarTve-

los mTavroba arCevanis winaSe

dgas, sxva SemTxvevaSi „ANA-KLIA PORT & INDUSTRIALECO PARK CONSORTIUM“-is

mier SemoTavazebul winadadebas

alternativa ar eyoleboda da es

sakiTxi maisamde ar gadaideboda!

amitom vTqvi statiis da-

sawyisSi, _ rogorc vxedav, kidev

bevri ram yofila „gasasajaroebe-

li“!

dRes, 17 ianvars, dilauTenia

damirekes anakliidan. CemTvis uc-

nobi mamakaci, guldawyvetili miy-

veboda anakliis gasaxlebis pro-

eqtis Sesaxeb, romelic am dReeb-

Si gavrcelda samegrelos region-

Si. sanam vkiTxavdi, _ bodiSs gix-

diT, iqneba miTxraT vis velapara-

kebi -meTqi! vrceli monologis

mosmenam momiwia, romelic ase

damTavrda:

„_engurs gaRma Savi zRvispi-

reTi xom SevardnaZe damaqcevarma

gaaukacriela qarTvelTagan!.. en-

gursgamoRma nawils dRevandeli

mTavroba rom miadga da anakliis

aborigeni mosaxleobis gasaxlebas

apirebs, sxvas ras unda niSnavdes,

Tu ara, saakaSvilis „lazika por-

tis“ proeqtisadmi mibrunebas?!.“

sagonebelSi Camagdo aRelve-

bul ucnobTan saubarma. didxans

arc es gagrZelda, Cemi gverdiTa

mezobeli anakliidan, Saqro cxa-

daia Semomexmiana da Soba-axali

wlis milocvis Semdeg, TiTqmis

igive momiyva, _ „pirvelad, 2012

wlis pirveli oqtombris arCevne-

bis damTavrebidan ramdenime kvira-

Si gamoCndnen anakliaSi, Tbilisi-

dan Camosuli miwis amzomvelebi

da gamogvicxades, „lazika por-

tis“ proeqti grZeldeba da Tqve-

ni miwebi saxelmwifos sWirdebao.

saakaSvilis dros, ubodiSod

warTmevas miCveuli mosaxleoba,

saxlmwifos Txovnas rogor See-

winaaRmdegeboda. bevrs umweo da

gamouvali mdgomareobis gamo,

isedac hqonda gadawyvetili

saxl-karis gayidva, magram, maSin,

maleve gacxadda nacebis morigi

avantiura. ori wlis Semdeg, ga-

suli wlis miwuruls igive gan-

meorda, oRond jer aravin Camo-

sula Tbilisidan miwebis asazo-

mad, iqneb Sen icode, an batoni

Teimuraz qarCavasgan SevityoT ra

xdebao!..“

mkiTxvels unda Sevaxseno, _

2012 wlis miwurulis nacebis mi-

er gavrcelebul avantiuras, anak-

liaSi „lazika portis“ mSeneb-

lobis ganaxlebis Sesaxeb, sagaze-

To werili mivuZRveni saTauriT

„saakaSvilis aCrdili anaklias ar

tovebs!“ da pirvelad gavasajaro-

ve, xalxSi moaruli xmebi, anak-

liaSi aSS-s samxedro sazRvao ba-

zis mSeneblobis Sesaxeb. rasac

miSa saakaSvilis mZafri reaqcia

mohyva imave saRamos „rusTvi 2“-

ze.

ori wlis Semdeg, igive meor-

deba anakliaSi, erTi, TiTqos da

umniSvnelo gansxvavebiT:

vrceldeba xmebi, rom, _ „sa-

qarTvelos mTavrobam winadadeba

misca „anaklia portis“ mSeneblo-

bis konkursSi monawile 12 kompa-

niidan SerCeul Svid saukeTesos,

portis mSenebloba 7 etapad da-

iyos da 37 wlis ganmavlobaSi

aSendes Rrmawyliani porti, rom-

lis saboloo tvirTbrunva (37

wlis Semdeg?!.) 100 milion to-

nas miaRwevs“. imasac amboben, rom,

_ „winadadebas naxazic axlavs,

romelic zustad emTxveva „lazi-

ka portis“ ganTavsebis adgils!“

_gasaocaria pirdapir, ras ar

gaigonebs adamiani!

Tumca, sanam detalebSi ganvi-

xilavdeT am sakiTxs, mkiTxveli

rom davamSvidoT da sakmaod

vrceli statiis bolomde ar va-

nerviuloT ra xdeba sinamdvile-

Si, mokled vupasuxeb:

_Zalian martivi ramxdeba dRes anakliaSi,mTavrobis opoziciaSimyofi, destabilizaciisZalebi avrceleben xmebs,rom, _ „saqarTvelos mTav-roba „lazika portis“

proeqts miubrunda, ro-melsac alternativa argaaCnia da anakliis, „ku-rortis“ mxaris mosaxle-oba unda gaasaxlon!..“

bunebrivia, aseTi molodinis

SemTxvevaSi, miwis fasi katast-

rofulad iwevs, gasasaxlebeli

mosaxleobis virtualur warmod-

genaSi, rasac Tanxmoba da usasru-

lo molodini mohyveba maTi mxri-

dan, gayidon saxl-kari, mama-papi-

seuli miwa-wyali!..

rogorc zemoT vaxsene, por-

tis mSeneblobis konkursSi ga-

marjvebuli ukeTes SemTxvevaSi

maisSi gacxaddeba, gamarjvebuls

mosamzadeblad dro miecema da

amasobaSi es procesi iqamde gai-

weleba, vidre axali saarCevno

kompania daiwyebodes da piks miaR-

wevdes!

swored am momentSi gacxadde-

ba milionebis momlodine mosax-

leobisaTvis, rom, _ maTi miwebi

aravis sWirdeba da am morigi

blefis agoreba da umweo mosax-

leobis, kidev erTxel gasulele-

ba, qveynis mmarTvel mTavrobas

dabraldeba!

_samwuxaroa, rom yvelaferi

es marto Woriknebis da qveynisT-

vis avismosurneTa brali ar gax-

lavT, samTavrobo struqturebsac

miuZRviT wvlili am saqmeSi.

mkiTxveli rom ar davabnio,

unda Sevaxseno, rom weliwadi

gaxdeba TebervalSi, rac „saerTo

gazeTi“ am Temaze werilebs aq-

veynebs. yvela, arsebuli da SesaZ-

lo proeqti ganvixileT, am xnis

manZilze, maRalkvalificiur spe-

cialistebTan dialogSi. saTiTa-

od da dawvrilebiT iqna ganxilu-

li portis asaSenebeli adgilebi

da sabolood es kvleva-Zieba dam-

Tavrda imiTi, rom saqarTvelos

mTavrobis mier sagangebod daqira-

vebuli, „zRvis napiris kvlevis“

iaponeli specialistebis daskvna

zustad daemTxva „anaklia por-

tis“ proeqtze momuSave qarTveli

specialistebis mier SemuSavebul

da msoflioSi cnobili „Ernst &Young“-is eqspertTa mier gakeTe-bul daskvnebs da cnobilia „era-

gia-qarCavas saproeqto mosazre-

bis“ saxeliT.

iapinelebis mier Sesrulebu-

li samuSao 5 milioni aSS dola-

ri daujda saxelmwifos. iapone-

lebis da qarTvel specialistTa

daskvnebis Tanxvedra imiTic aris

gansakuTrebuli, rom portis asa-

Senebeli adgili saerTod ar exe-

ba dasaxlebul punqtebs da igi

zRvis napiris maqsimalurad mcire

nawils ikavebs.

am saproeqto mosazrebasTan

SedarebiT e.w. „lazika porti“

anakliis, istoriuli kolxeTis

teritoriaze erT-erTi uZvelesi

dasaxlebis ayras moiTxovs da in-

vestorsac uZvirebs proeqtis Ri-

rebulebas.

zemoT, anakliis garSemo mim-

dinare procesebze xangrZlivi

dakvirvebis Sedegad gamovTqvi Ce-

mi mosazreba. magram, saqarTvelo-

Si, bolo dros ganviTarebuli

movlenebi eWvebs miCens, _ iqneba

marTla mTavrobis mosazrebaa e.w.

„lazika portis“ e.w. proeqtisken

mibruneba?

pirdapir unda ganvacxado, mo-

saxleobaSi gavrcelebuli xmebi

„lazika portisken“ mibrunebis

Sesaxeb da misi eskizis arseboba,

romelic zustad emTxveva saakaS-

viliseuli portis ganTavsebis

adgils, mTlad mogonili ar mgo-

nia. amitom, rogorc, wlebis gan-

mavlobaSi am Temaze momuSave

Jurnalisti da anaklieli, mova-

led miviCnev Tavs araferi dama-

luli da Sefaruli ar unda dar-

Ces, radgan dRes daSvebuli Sec-

doma arasodes gamoswordeba!

„enguris SesarTavTan, wyalR-

rma, marcxena napirs „boRazs“ eZa-

xian, rac navsadgurs niSnavs Tur-

qulad. bunebrivia, igi, Turqebis

mier 1703 wels cixe-simagris

aSenebis droidan daerqva am ad-

gils. magram es sulac ar niSnavs

imas, rom Turqebs mivaweroT nav-

sadguris daarseba. dainteresebu-

li piri, anakliis da misi mimde-

bare soflebis (ergeta, orulu,

darCeli) arqeologiuri gaTxre-

bis masalebs Tu moiZiebs, samiaTas

wels gvarianad gacdeba iq aRmo-

Cenili namosaxlarebis istoria,

rac Savi zRvis auzis am nawilSi

berZnebis gamoCenamde maRali do-

nis civilizaciis arsebobas adas-

turebs. arafers vambob „argonav-

tebze“, gadmocemiT, „cecxlismf-

rqveveli rkinis xarebi“ rom dax-

vdaT, legendaruli mefe „aieti“-

s mindvrebs rom xnavdnen!

mogvianebiT, verc axali, berZ-

nuli civilizacia da Savi zRvis-

pireTis qalaq-saxelmwifoebi _

fazisi, dioskuria, pitiunti, pan-

tikapei auvlida gverds anaklias...

es sakiTxic droebiT amiTi davam-

TavroT!“

es Sedareba imisTvis moviyvane,

rom, Tu marTla eRirsa anaklia-

Si ports aSeneba, didi albaToba

arsebobs imisa, rom, _ uZvelesi

kolxeTis teritoriaze 4000

heqtarze meti farTobis gadaTx-

risas iseTi arqeologiuri masa-

lebi aRmoCndes, msoflios is-

toria Seazanzaros da megaporti

vin uvrcelebs saqarTvelos mTavrobas Wors,

rom is kvlav saakaSviliseul `lazika-

portis~ proeqts miubrunda da anakliidan

sul male mosaxleobis gasaxleba daiwyeba?

8 gv.

8 saerTo gazeTi #1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w.

barnabao, maxsendeba, es cnobili simRe-

ra, imitom, rom daiRala xalxi, diliT

gaiRviZebda komunistebi iyvnen, saRamos

menSevikebi, mere miuZRvnes aseTi simRe-

ra. axla komisiam unda gaarkvios Semo-

vidnen wiTlebi da vinc es gaasxvisa ro-

mel partias ekuTvnis es eZgveraZe bar-

naba. iumoriT vambob axla amas, vimeoreb,

2 wuTi mWirdeba, mogitanT dokumentebs

da gamoiZieT. da gamoZiebulia, rac yve-

laze sainteresoa, rad unda amas amdeni

ambavi, ra komisia, ris komisia, nu gadam-

rieT. saqme gamoZiebulia. mere ratom

xdeba ase? daboloeba TqvenTvis momind-

via.

_ ra moyveba foTis portis rosnef-

tis xelSi gadasvlas? SemTxveviT anak-

liis proeqtis dablokvac xom ara, xe-

davT Tu ara am safrTxes?

_ modiT, pirdapir vTqvaT, anakliis

portis aSenebiT dainteresebulni arian

amerikelebi. da ratom arian amiT dain-

teresebulni? anaklis landSafti iZle-

va imis SesaZleblobebs, rom Tu aSende-

ba kargi Tanamedrove porti, Seyvanili

iqnes samxedro wyalqveSa navebi. garada

amisa, anakliis porti imdenad seriozu-

li proeqtia (is proeqti me, rac maqvs

nanaxi), rom SeiZleba samtrediidan da-

iwyos. warmoidgineT, samtrediidan -

zugdidamde ramden kilometrze aris sa-

ubari, anu aman SeiZleba moicvas, faq-

tobrivad, naxevari dasavleT saqarTve-

lo. ai, amxela proeqtzea saubari. faq-

tobrivad, axali dasaxleba, qalaqi

Cndeba da axla lazikas daarqmev, Tu Sa-

laxos, es medlis meore mxarea. foTis

porti Tu `rosneftma~ SeiZina, ra Tqma

unda, yvelanairad xels SeuSlis imas,

rom amerikelebis proeqti ganxorciel-

des anakliaSi. ruseTi Seecdeba es ar

dauSvas. ZaRlis Tavi swored amaSia da-

marxuli. rosneftisTvis foTis porti

didi biznesi ar aris, rosnefts uzar-

mazari biznesi aqvs msoflioSi, erT -

erTi uzarmazari kompaniaa, foTis por-

ti misTvis aris semiCka, saerTod gaaCe-

rebs. es misTvis seriozuli wageba ar

iqneba, erTaderTi somxeTis mimarTule-

biT amuSavebs, somxeTi misi mokavSirea,

danarCens gagiCerebs. ityvis, ra vqna ba-

tono, fasebi ar mawyobs. foTis portis

gaCereba, anaklia xom mokvda da mokvda,

ai, es aris. arada, anaklias ori mniSv-

neloba aqvs, rogorc samxedro, ise eko-

nomikuri. anakliis SemTxvevaSi saqarT-

velo xdeba uzarmazari mniSvnelobis ms-

oflio rukaze. gaaCerebs foTis ports

da gagaCera mTlianad. aq SimSiliT

amowydeba xalxi. ruseTma foTis porti

SeiZina imisTvis, rom politikuri ber-

ketebi gaaCndes da Caigdo kidec xelSi

es berketebi. SimSiliT amowyvitavs qve-

yanas, mere dagaWers xels da getyvis,

Semodi evraziul kavSirSio. pirdapir

getyviT, rac araerTxel miTqvams, saa-

kaSvili aris ruseTis interesebis gam-

tarebeli saqarTveloSi. faqtia, Sevar-

dnaZem, rac ar unda lanZRo yvelaferi

gaakeTa imisiTvis, rom dakarguli afxa-

zeTisa da samaCablos teritoria samar-

Tlebrivad ver Caesva putins jibeSi. sa-

akaSvilma ki yvelaferi gaakeTa amisTvis.

saakaSvilma es gaakeTa, magram saakaS-

vils kidev aqvs davaleba Sesasrulebe-

li. meore davaleba iyo foTis portis

rusebis xelSi Cagdeba. kezeraSvilma mi-

yida iakobaSvils, iakobaSvilma `ros-

nefts~, vis xelSia? rusebis! saakaSvil-

ma es davalebac Seasula da saakaS-vils aqvs kidev erTi davalebaSesasrulebeli - gamoiwviosdestabilizacia, sisxlisRvra,qveyana gaexves qaosSi, ris Semde-

gac gamovardeba qarTveli xalxi da bo-

lo-bolo iyvirebs, aRar gvinda am evro-

pisken da amerikisken, 25 welia mivdi-

varT da varT am sisxlisRvraSi, janda-

bas viyoT isev ruseTTan, ubeduri cxov-

reba gveqneba, demokratia ar iqneba, mag-

ram ojaxSi saWmels mainc SevitanTo. ai,

es davaleba aqvs saakaSvils kidev Sesas-

rulebeli, ris Semdegac saakaSvils ru-

seTis xelisufleba moiSorebs, fiziku-

rad moiSorebs, mis likvidacias moax-

dens, imitom, rom is aris agenti, ro-

melmac amowura Tavis roli da funqcia.

mas bevri informacia aqvs, saWiroc aRar

aris. swored es funqcia hqonda saakaS-

vilis xelisuflebaSi moyvanas. Caabara

teritoriebi, foTis portic, axla es

darCa.

saakaSvils konkretuli davaleba

aqvs, rom aq sisxli daiRvaros, qveyana

gaexvios qaosSi. seriozuli muSaoba mi-

dis axla, seriozuli sqema devs uzena-

esi sasamarTlos Tavmjdomaris maTTvis

sasurveli pirovnebis gayvanazec. imde-

nad rTuli sqema devs, rom Tu xeli-

sufleba Wkvianad ar moiqca ise Seucu-

reben nac agents verc gaigeben. imdenad

daxvewili meTodebiT muSaoben, saTada-

rigo skamic sakmaod didi aqvT. erTs da-

iwuneben, meore arasamTavrobo gaakeTebs,

mesame da a.S. da am viTom arasamTavro-

boTa da demokratiuli niRbiT amzadeben

veragul gegmas. Tu sa-

samarTlo maT xelSi

aRmoCnda CaTvaleT,

rom xelisuflebis

erTi Sto maTTan aris.

pirdapir getyviT,

`nacionalebi~ 300kaciT apireben ga-zafxulze am yve-lafris dawyebas.daiwyeben aqciebs, maTi

mizania gamovardes xe-

lisufleba da daarbi-

os isini. wava molo-

tovis koqteilebis

gasrola policiis mi-

marTulebiT, ar aris

gamoricxuli Tavisiani moklan, andac

cnobili Jurnalisti moklan, aRSfoTe-

buli evropa mouwodebs CaatareT arCev-

nebio da aq ukve mivadeqiT im scenars,

rac saakaSvils kargad aqvs aprobirebu-

li, 2003 wlis vardebis revolucia,

anu miiReben arCevnebSi monawileobas,

miiReben 20 %-s, iyvireben, rom arCevne-

bi gayalbda, gadadeqi, gadadeqi da ama-

sobaSi sWirdebaT uzenaesi sasamarTlos

Tavmjdomare, romelic xels mouwers,

rom Catardes xelaxali arCevnebi, sai-

danac daviwye iq mivediT. ai, es sqemaa.

qeTi xomeriki 592 53 53 03

„anaklia“ daCrdilos, misi RirsebiTa da

mniSvnelobiT!

es monakveTi, mcire, lirikul gadaxve-

vad CavTvaloT da erTad vizrunoT, rom

igi tragediaSi ar gadaizardos!

miuxedavad araerTgzis gamoqveynebisa,

saWirod CavTvale kidev erTxel Sevaxse-

no mkiTxvels, jer kidev komunistebis

droidan arsebobs anakliaSi Rrmawyliani

portis aSenebis idea.

erTeTi maTgani Rvawlmosil qarTvel

mkvlevarsa da mecniers, awgansvenebul ar-

Cil kiknaZes ekuTvnis.

samwuxarod, kiknaiseuli „axali,

Rrmawyliani, navsadguris ganTavsebis kon-

cefcia“ uaryofil iqna mraval mizezTa

gamo, maT Soris mxolod ors gamovyofT:

1. am koncefciis ganxorcieleba, por-

tis ganTavsebis (enguris SesarTavTan) ad-

gilis gamo minimum or uZveles dasaxle-

bas, _ anaklias da ganmuxurs Seiwiravda.

2. dRevandeli sa-

qarTvelos sazRvre-

bis pirobebSi ki igi

saerTod ver ganxor-

cieldeba, radgan,

portis naxevari, oku-

pirebuli afxazeTis

teritoriaze aRmoCn-

deba.

_Tumca, Sevardna-

Zis xelisufleba, yo-

veli moaxloebuli

arCevnebis win, am

„koncefcias“ didi

warmatebiT iyenebda,

samegrelos mosaxle-

obis „dasaboleblad“ romelsac, rogorc

zemoT vaxsene, _ araferi hqonda saerTo

realobasTan!

e.w. „lazika portze“ saubriT mkiTx-

vels dros ar davakargvineb, radganac amis

Sesaxeb ramdenjerme daiwera, rom igi usa-

xuri gubura ufro iyo, vidre raime eko-

nomikur gaTvlebze dafuZnebuli saerTa-

Soriso masStabis proeqti, romelic ise-

ve, rogorc zemoTnaxsenebi proeqti, anak-

liis mosaxleobis ayras iTxovda! ufro

metic, 2012 wlis arCevnebSi garantirebu-

li gamarjvebis momlodine miSa-Seuracxa-

di, rogorc amboben, amerikelebs samxed-

ro-sazRvao bazis mSeneblobas sTavazobda

anakliaSi!

_Tavidan aq davapire wertilis dasma,

magram maleve mivxvdi, kidev bevri iyo saT-

qmeli. radganac dRemde SemuSavebul kon-

cefciebs sakmaod kargad vicnob, gadavwy-

vite mkiTxvelisTvis cxadi gavxado is, Tu

ratom da riTi aris gansxvavebuli „ANA-KLIA PORT & INDUSTRIAL ECO PARKCONSORTIUM“-is „anakliaSi Rrmawyli-

ani portis mSeneblobis koncefcia“, aqam-

de arsebuli koncefciebisgan (igulisxme-

ba „kiknaZis“ da „lazika porti“. verafers

vityvi, konkursis sxva monawileTa kon-

cefciebze, radgan me maT ar vicnob!).

sagazeTo statiaSi, maTi detalurad

CamoTvla SeuZlebelia, radgan b-ni spar-

tak eragia, daCqarebuli tempiT, masze sa-

ubrisas or saaTze met xans undeba, msme-

neli auditoria saqmis arsSi rom gaacno-

bieros. me Sevecdebi, Jurnalistis done-

ze, mokled Camovayalibo zemoTxsenebuli

konsorciumis mier SemoTavazebuli kon-

cefciis umniSvnelovanesi momentebi:

1. maSin, rodesac saqarTvelos Savi

zRvispireTis TiTqmis naxevari okupirebu-

lia da misi dabrunebis imedi Soreul

perspeqtivaSic ar Cans, didad mniSvnelo-

vania, _ ra manZils daikavebs igi zRvis sa-

napiro zolSi?

_aRniSnuli proeqti, zRvis sanapiro

zolis, mxolod 800 metrs ikavebs!

2. ramdenad Seaviwroebs igi adgilob-

riv, aborigen mosaxleobas (romelic, pre-

istoriuli kolxeTis pirdapir STamo-

mavls warmoadgens, mcire dasaxlebad rom

SemorCenia enguris orive napirs, aseve

mravali wes-CveulebiTa da enobrivi gans-

xvavebulobiT) da mouwevT Tu ara maT ga-

dasaxleba?

_miuxedavad, imisa, rom, aqamde arse-

bul koncefciebTan SedarebiT, igi, warmo-

udgenlad didia, _ saerTod ar exeba da-

saxlebul teritoriebs!

3. xom ar daazianebs igi kolxeTis

erovnul parks?

_koncefciaSi detaluradaa Seswavli-

li, „anaklia porti“-s mimdebare unikalu-

ri erovnuli parki da mosalodneli samu-

Saoebi misi dRemde moRweuli saxis Sesa-

narCuneblad. dawyebulia konsultaciebi

germaniis ekologiis saministros kompe-

tentur warmomadgenlebTan!

4. rogorc cnobilia, anakliaSi mSene-

bare „satvirTo satransporto kvanZi“

2750 heqtar teritorias daikavebs, amas

emateba specialuri ekonomikuri zona

1250 heqtari jamSi daaxloebiT 4000ha.

es, is preistoriuli teritoriaa, romlis

meaTedic ar aris dReisaTvis arqeologi-

urad Seswavlili?

_SemuSavebulia mosazreba mZlavri, mo-

biluri, arqeologiuri samsaxuris Sesaqm-

nelad, romelic maqsimalurad gamoiyenebs

SesaZleblobas, erTdroulad Seiswavlos

da gamoikvlios uzarmazari teritoria,

romelsac am mxrivac ar eqneba analogi!

5. ramden satransporto saSualebas

aerTianebs aRniSnuli koncefcia „anaklia

porti“-s garSemo?

_aRniSnuli koncefcia gaaerTianebs

msoflioSi cnobil, yvela xuT satrans-

porto saSualebas, _sazRvao, sahaero,

sarkinigzo, samanqano, milsadenebs!

aseve gaTvaliswinebulia anaklia por-

tTan gemTsaremonto da samSenebli qarx-

nis mSenebloba da sazRvao akademiis daar-

seba!

koncefcia iTvaliswinebs energetikul,

sasoflo-sameurneo proeqtebSi aqtiur

monawileobas. sakurorto da turistuli

infrastruqturebis ganvirarebas „anaklia

portis proeqti“-s zemoTxsenebul, _ ev-

raziis trasaze ganlagebuli qveynebis

CarTviT.

es gaxlavT, mxolod, Jurnalistis

TvaliT danaxuli, mcire amonaridi, im

mravali umniSvnelovanesi SesaZleblobebi-

sa, romelsac „ANAKLIA PORT & INDU-STRIAL ECO PARK CONSORTIUM“-is

mier gakeTebuli ganacxadi sTavazobs.

danarCeni ki mkiTxvelisTvis mimindvia

gaarkvios, Tu ra aucileblobiT aris gan-

pirobebuli adgilobrivi, aborigeni mosax-

leobis gasaxleba da ra qvena miznebs em-

saxureba igi?

igive SekiTxviT saqarTvelos mTavro-

basac mivmarTav!

daviT qobalia5 93 510 171


rusebis morigi davaleba da

foTis porti `rosnefts~ mihyida...6 gv.

7 gv.

vin uvrcelebs saqarTvelos mTavrobas Wors,

rom is kvlav saakaSviliseul `lazika-

portis~ proeqts mibrunda da anakliidan

sul male mosaxleobis gasaxleba daiwyeba?

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Zvirfaso megobrebo, SemogvierTdiT gazeT `patriotis~ megobarTa klubSi.

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`saerTo gazeTis~ redaqcias

poeti daTo maRraZe daukav-

Sirda. man CvenTan saubari ase

daiwyo:

_ tradicia davarRvie da in-

terviusTvis Tavad dagikavSir-

diT. adre, am kuTxiT, arasdros

miaqtiuria, Tqvens SemoTavazebas

ki yovelTvis siamovnebiT vTanxm-

debodi. axlac, bunebrivad, Tqven

gamaxsendiT da yovelTvis max-

sovxarT. saqme isaa, rom bolo

dros beWduri presisTvis mice-

mul Cems interviuebSi azrebs

mimaxinjeben, Semoklebuli vari-

anti im suliskveTebas ar gamoxa-

tavs, riTac gamsWvaluli var.

amitom, gTxoveT, Cemi nafiqris,

naazrevis srulad gamoxatvis sa-

Sualeba mogecaT, radgan vici,

rom `saerTo gazeTi~ srulad da

daumaxinjeblad asaxavs Cems na-

azrevs. minda, mkiTxvelis winaSe,

Cemi fiqriT, gancdiT warvsdge

da vici, Tqveni gazeTis furcle-

bidan saTqmeli srulfasovnad

iqneba gadmocemuli. aqve, gety-

viT, rom arCevnebSi gamarjvebis

Semdeg, reJimis winaaRmdeg mebr-

Zolebma, media-sivrce xelisuf-

lebisagan gavaTavisufleT. amaSi

sazogadoebac da xelisuflebac

erTsulovani iyo. magram Cven xom

ar SegviZlia media-sivrce mepat-

ronis kerZo interesebisagan ga-

vaTavisufloT? media saxelisuf-

lebo wnexis qveS aRaraa, es um-

Tavresia. bolo aTwleulebSi sa-

qarTveloSi pirvelad xdeba, rom

xelisuflebas sakuTari televi-

zia ar aqvs, rac sazogadoebisa

da xelisuflebis damsaxurebad

mimaCnia.

_ media saxelisuflebo wne-

xisgan gaTavisuflda, Tumca `na-

cionalebis~ wnexisgan vera.

_ televiziebSi Tu krimi-

nals aqvs adgili, es gamoZiebis

saqmea. xelisufleba dRes maT

saqmianobaSi aRar ereva, rac

swori gzaa. `qarTuli ocnebis~

mmarTvelobis Sedegad saxeli-

suflebo reJimisgan didi gaTavi-

sufleba moxda. kerZod, wnexis-

gan gaTavisuflda media, biznesi,

sasamarTlo, policia, cixeebi _

jalaTebisgan, umaRlesi saswav-

leblebi _ xelisuflebisagan da-

finansebuli studenturi TviTm-

marTvelobebisgan, romelnic

studentur moZraobas marTavdnen

da sauniversiteto cxovrebas

kontrols uwevdnen. saqarTvelo

ormagi _ gare da Sida okupaci-

is fonze cxovrobda. gare okupa-

cias, ruseTi, dRemde axorcie-

lebs, Sida _ `nacmoZraobis~

okupaciisgan ki saqarTvelo nam-

dvilad gaTavisuflda. xSirad

gvesmis, davibrunoT afxazeTi,

samxreT-oseTi. upirvelesad, Cve-

ni saxe unda davibrunoT. didi

gaTavisuflebis gzaze mniSvnelo-

vani miRwevaa is, rom moqalaqe

xelisuflebis wnexisgan Tavisu-

falia. 9 wliani reJimis kursi

ruseTTan omis fonze mimdinare

singapurizacia iyo. amis sapir-

woned, biZina ivaniSvilma moaxer-

xa evrointegracia, ruseTTan

omis gareSe. am gzaze seriozuli

nabiji iyo evroasocirebis xel-

Sekruleba, rac Crdiloel mezo-

belTan saomari moqmedebebis ga-

reSe ganxorcielda, es umniSvne-

lovanesia. anu, gvqonda singapu-

rizacia ruseTTan omis fonze da

axla gvaqvs evrointegracia, ru-

seTTan omis gareSe. aqve, sxva po-

zitivebsac minda Sevexo

_ mniSvnelovani miRwevaa

sadazRvevo sistema, dRes

adamians avad gaxdomis

aRar eSinia. misasalmebe-

lia c hepatitis winaaRm-

deg mimarTuli aqcia. ba-

toni sergeenko sul or-

jer myavs nanaxi, magram

vfiqrob, rom igi saxelm-

wifo jildoze unda wa-

redginaT. saxelmwifom

unda dainaxos damarcxe-

bac da gamarjvebac. mxo-

lod Secdomebze miTiTeba

rodia saxeilmwifos mrwamsi da

Tviseba, man gamarjvebebic unda

dainaxos. aseve, mniSvnelovani

pozitivia is, rom prokuratura-

Si usamarTlod CamorTmeuli qo-

nebebis dasabruneblad departa-

menti Seiqmna, romelic intensiu-

rad muSaobs.

_ baTono daviT, bolosdabo-

los, gaCnda Tu ara am qveyanaSi

Tavisufali moqalaqe, Tu kvlav

povincializmis WaobSi varT?

Tqven aRniSneT, rom Tavisufali

moqalaqe gaCnda, ras gulisx-

mobT?

_ saqarTveloSi yvelaze me-

tad goimobis eSiniaT. gansakuT-

rebuli simZafriT, goimobis

zustad im nawils eSini, visac es

realurad emuqreba. igi cdilobs

fasadis Seqmnas, TiTqos mas es

ar emuqreba. problema isaa, rom

es provinciidan gaRwevis provin-

ciuli mcdelobebia, ramac masiu-

ri xasiaTi miiRo. getyviT ras

vgulisxmob. magaliTad, ramdenime

Tvis win gaimarTa aqcia, ris ga-

moc adamianebi Tavze yinulebian

wyals isxamdnen da fulsac

ricxavdnen. damrCa STabeWdileba,

rom procentulad yvelaze meti

wyali Tavze qarTvelebma dais-

xes. eWvi maqvs, rom yvelaze nak-

lebi Tanxac aqedan gadairicxa.

ai, amas vgulisxmob. masiuri wu-

waobis fonze Tanxa mciredad ga-

moiyureboda. axla, teroriz-mis winaaRmdeg mimdinare-obs aqcia _ me var Sarli.saqarTveloSic arian ada-mianebi, vinc gulwrfeladTvlis rom Sarlia. saer-

Tod, yvela normaluri adamiani

teroris winaaRmdegia. oRond, im

nawilis, romelsac saqarTvelo-

Si mimdinare terori arasdros

awuxebda, gulwrfelobaSi eWvi

mepareba. terorizmi zogadad un-

da gawuxebdes aramarto ucxoeT-

Si, aramed sakuTar samSobloSic.

vidre ityodi _ me var Sar-li, unda geTqva me var san-dro, me var buta da a.S. ro-ca me var sandro (girgvli-ani) ar giTqvams, am fonze,me var Sarlis Zaxili mat-rabazoba mgonia da ara tero-

rizmis winaaRmdeg brZola. ai,

swored esaa provinciidan gaRwe-

vis provinciuli mcdeloba, risi

magaliTebic mravladaa.

_ Tqven axseneT, rim evroaso-

cirebis xelSekruleba wingadad-

gmuli nabijia...

_ evrointegraciis procesi,

albaT, im Rirebulebebis aRiare-

baa, rasac ZiriTadad, ganviTare-

buli evropis qveynebi eyrdnoba.

mokled rom vTqva, es aTenisa da

ierusalimis harmoniaa. mniSvne-

lovania is, rom evropisTvis

Senc saintereso unda iyo, man

unda CaTvalos, rom Seni Semate-

biT misi Tvalsawieric farTov-

deba. magram politikosebis ganz-

raxva naklebad exeba-xolme su-

lier urTierTobas, sazrdos da

a.S. rogorc moqalaqeebma am xel-

SekrulebiT bevri valdebuleba

aviReT. civiluri saxe unda Se-

vinarCunoT.

evropas, ra Tqma unda, Zalian

seriozuli problemebi aqvs da

sulac araa aucilebeli es, xe-

lovnurad, Senc Tavs moixvio. ev-

ropa cdilobs im seriozuli

problemebisgan gaTavisuflebas,

romelic mas sazogadoebis ganvi-

Tarebis axal safexurze asasv-

lelad gzas uRobavs. politiko-

sebi naciis saxes ar warmoadge-

10 gv.

daviT maRraZe: saqarTvelos

iseTive mniSvnelobis reforma

sWirdeba, rogorc ioane petriwma

Caatara gelaTis akademiaSi`radgan batoni biZina am

partiis damfuZnebelia,

vfiqrob, man am didi

ganaxlebisTvis unda

moicalos. mas amis resursi

aqvs, vgulisxmob ara

finansurs, aramed mis

gamWriaxobasa da sulier

resurss. xalxi did

ganaxlebas elodeba...~

10 #1, 21 ianvari, 2014 w.

nen. xom dauSvebelia saqarTve-

loze akaki minaSviliT an Cveni

parlamentiT vimsjeloT. xomufro metia saqarTvelo,vidre Cveni parlamenti. anTundac, Tanamedrove qar-Tvel poetebze, bevrad me-ti xom aris Cveni samSob-lo. amdenad, yoveldRiuri po-

litikiT dainteresebul adamia-

nebs sulierebisTvis naklebad

scaliaT. es Zalian rTuli labi-

rinTia, raSic naciis saxe ar

Cans. gvaxsovs, saakaSvilisTvis

demokratiis Suquris darqmevis

ususuri mcdeloba, raTa dasav-

leTisa da aSS-s politikur

wreebs Tvali daexuWaT yvela im

fundamenturi adamianuri ufle-

bebis gaTelvaze, rac saqarTve-

loSi xdeboda. Cemi azriT, maTi

interesi iyo ruseT-saqarTvelos

Soris samxedro dapirispireba

Semdgariyo. eWvi maqvs, es ganz-

raxva aSS-s garkveul politi-

kur wreebSi axlac aris.

_ anu maT surT provokato-

ris rolSi gvamyofon?

_ minda xmamaRla vTqva: Cemi

qveynis, samSoblos funqcia

msxverplSewirva araa. ar minda,

rom amis garda sxva funqcia ar

gvqondes. aranairi survili ar

maqvs saqarTvelos dRevandeli

generacia im porcess SevewiroT,

rom samyaros, ruseTis winaaRm-

deg, axali sanqciebis saSualeba

mieces. ase, im keTil nayofs, ro-

melsac axali ekonomikuri sanq-

ciebiT moimkian, Cven veRar vige-

mebT imitom, rom am qveyanaze

aRar viqnebiT. amitom bevrad

mniSvnelovani mgonia Cemi qveynis

kulturuli, sulieri da poli-

tikuri funqcia, vidre is rom

msxverplad SevewiroT. saerTod,

Tavganwirva yvela adamians SeuZ-

lia, oRond aravis aqvs ufleba

mTeli qveyana gawiros.

xazgasmiT vambob, mexuTe ko-

lona geografiuli termini araa.

rasac beria-orjonikiZe axorcie-

lebdnen, dRes SeiZleba igive

adeiSvil-saakaSvilma gaakeTos.

sulac araa aucilebeli am saf-

rTxes mxolod ruseTidan elo-

do. termini mexuTe kolona espa-

neTSi gaCnda, rodesac franko

oTxi koloniT madrids utevda,

xolo mexuTe imas daerqva, rome-

lic im oTxi kolonis sasargeb-

lod, situacias Signidan urevda.

esaa dRevandeli suraTi. ufro

metic, arsebobs proeqti da ar-

sebobs xelisuflebaSi logiku-

rad mosuli xalxi. arsebobssxva qveynis proeqti daarsebobs Tavis Secdome-biT, gamarjvebebiT sazo-gadoebis wiaRidan amosu-li xelisufleba. magali-Tad, kaxTa mefe aleqsand-re meore saqarTvelos mo-narqi iyo Tavis Secdome-biT da gamarjvebebiT,hyavda sami vaJi _ daviTi,giorgi da konstantine.daviTi da giorgi Cvens wi-aRSi aRzrdili qarTvelimonarqebi iyvnen. konstan-tine ki Sah-abas I proeqtiiyo, romelic sparseTSibavSvobaSi waiyvanes, iqe-dan konstantine mirzaddabrunda, mokla mama, Zma,maTi mokveTili TavebiSah-abas I gaugzavna da gar-dacvlili Zmis meuRlesqeTevans xeli sTxova. esaa

proeqtis azrovneba, cnobiereba,

romelic mefobs im qveyanaSi, sa-

dac mefobs, magram realurad sa-

kuTari qveynis interess ar

axorcielebs da ise iqceva, ro-

gorc konstantine mirza moiqca.

amitom momxre var ara pro-eqtis, aramed logikuradganviTarebuli sazogado-ebrivi cxovrebidan aRmo-cenebuli adamianebis, ro-mlebic politikaSi midi-an. CvenTan iyo proeqti, rome-

lic konfliqtSi Sevida qarTu-

li sazogadoebis cnobierebasTan,

damokidebulebasTan, azrovnebas-

Tan, tradiciasTan. rogorc aRv-

niSne, saqarTveloSi yvelaze me-

tad goimobis eSiniaT, swored

amiT isargebles proeqtis ganm-

xorcieleblebma, mesveurebma da

xelmZRvanelebmac da yoveli awe-

uli Wiqa, romelic sadRegrZe-

los TanxlebiT Seismeboda uki-

dures marginalizmad CaTvales.

gaCnda periferiuli simptomebi _

magaliTad, tradiciuli sarwmu-

noeba yvelaze ufro moZvelebu-

li ram unda yofiliyo. amis da-

nergva saqarTveloSi gauWirdaT.

qarTveli kaci mixvda, rom raRac

Zvirfass arTmeven, undaT iseT

rameze aTqmevinon uari, rac eZ-

virfaseba, romelic misi saukune-

ebis siRrmidan modis da STamo-

mavlobas samomavlod unda gada-

eces. Cemi azriT, saqarTvelos,

dRes, iseTive mniSvnelobis re-

forma sWirdeba, rogorc ioane

petriwma Caatara gelaTis akade-

miaSi, an peterburgidan dabrune-

bulma ivane javaxiSvilma, ro-

melmac universiteti daafuZna.

axali epoqis Sesaferisi enaa mo-

saZebni. qarTuli yovelTvis unda

gadarCes da igi axla, am epoqis

enazec unda alaparakdes. aqve,

erTsac aRvniSnav, winamorbed xe-

lisuflebas aSS-dan upirobo

mxardaWera hqonda, is garyvnile-

ba da aRviraxsniloba gansazRvra,

riTac nacebis mmarTvelobos

wlebi xasiaTdeboda da ramac

adamianebis uflebebisa da sity-

vis Tavisuflebis sruli gaTel-

va gamoiwvia. dRes upirobo mxar-

daWera aRaraa, rac kargia. upi-

robo mxardaWera xelisuflebas

ryvnis. axla, aSS-sTan jansaRi

urTierTobaa. vadastureb aSS-s

mimarT Cems pativiscemas da mxib-

lavs Tavisuflebis qartiaSi Ca-

werili Tomas jefersonis sity-

vebi: adamians bednierebisken

swrafvis ufleba aqvs. oRond,

aravin ifiqros, rom es mxolod

aSS-s moqalaqes exeba. dRes Cven

saqarTvelos interesebidan ga-

momdinare viwyebT fiqrs. ra

ewyineba putins is gavakeToT da

ra gauxardeba makkeins ise moviq-

ceT, es unda dasruldes. puti-

niT da makkeiniT nuki viwyebT,

SviliSvilisTvis ra aris sasar-

geblo iqidan daviwyoT msjelo-

ba.

_ CvenTan ganxorcielebuli

reformebiT ra Sedegebi gvaqvs?

_ amiT sikeTe ver miviReT

imitom, rom sruli abda-ubdaa.

ganaTlebis reformaze momuSave

xalxs warmodgenac ar aqvT ras

akeTeben, isini ganaTlebis re-

formis Camtareblebad ki ara

mowmeebad ver dajdebian, elemen-

tarulad, ambavs ver gaitanen. Zi-

riTadad, reformatorebad, aseTi

xalxi gvevlineboda.

maTTan Sexvedrebze vambobdi,

gogebaSvilis `deda ena~ is sagan-

Zuria, romelic Taobidan Taobas

unda gadaeces-meTqi. pasuxad mi-

viRe _ `deda enaSi~ cvlilebebi

unda SevitanoT, radgan iq iseTi

Sromis iaraRebia moxseniebuli,

romelic axla aRar ixmarebao. am

logikiT, espaneTSi migel de

servantesis `don kixotic~ unda

aikrZalos, radgan dRes, SubebiT

aRaravin ibrZvis. samwuxarod,

aseTi azrovnebis kategoriis

xalxTan gviwevs polemika da ra-

tomRac ganaTlebis sistema swo-

red maT abaria. kulturis, ga-

naTlebis saministroebi, meria is

institutebia, saidanac xelisuf-

lebas sazogadoebasTan cocxali

Sexeba aqvs. es Zalian faqizi sam-

yaroa. meCveneba, rom am sifaqi-

zes, sazogadoebasTan Sexebis

mniSvnelobas dRevandeli xeli-

sufleba ver grZnobs. am proble-

mis Sedegia saydrisis Tema. civi-

lur samyaroSi, evropaSi aris

Zeglis gadatanis precedentebi

maSin, roca sasicocxlo mniSvne-

lobis proeqtebi xorcieldeba.

oRond am dros nebismieri civi-

luri qveyana sazogadoebasTan

kontaqtSia, srul energias debs,

raTa igi simarTleSi daarwmunos.

rac saqarTveloSi moxda, es

sxvagan, am formiT, arsad xdeba.

saydrisi miTia Tu realoba, aman,

mniSvneloba dakarga, imdenad bev-

ri Secdoma dauSva xelisufle-

bam. saydrisi miTic rom yofili-

yo, dRes realoba gaxda. qarTve-

li moqalaqis cnobierebaSi xe-

lisuflebam Zegli aafeTqa. xe-lisuflebis mTavari Sec-doma sazogadoebasTan ko-munikaciis arqonaa. undamoicalo da sazogadoebasyvelaferi auxsna, xeli-suflebam am harmonias un-da miaRwios. am konkretul

SemTxvevaSi, xelisuflebisa da

sazogadoebis erTsulovneba gaq-

ra. aqve minda erTi ram aRvniSno,

saydrisTan dakavSirebiT sapat-

riarqos gancxadeba gakeTda, rom

damnaSaveebi unda daisajon. amas

ar ganvixilav, es moulodneli

ar iyo, ubralod, am gancxadebas

9 wliani mmarTvelobis manZilze

araerTxel velodi da ar gakeT-

da. ar Seval imis gansjaSi, Tu

ratom ar gakeTda aqamde msgavsi

gancxadeba. 7 noembers xalxis

rbevas rom Tavi davaneboT, aseve,

wamebebs, mkvlelobebs, 26 maiss

roca ori gvami _ Cemi klaseli

nika kvintraZe da asaTiani saxu-

ravze Semodes, maSinac velodi,

rom es gancxadeba gakeTdeboda.

roca kaenma mokla abeli, RvTis

xma gaisma, kaen sad aris Seni Zma.

am xmas velodi da ver gavigone.

amis gansjaSi ar Seval, magram

CemTvis rogorc qristianisTvis

cocxali adamiani ufro metia,

vidre nebismieri istoriuli Zeg-

li.

_ Tqven TqviT, rom `qarTul-

ma ocnebam~ mizidulobis muxti

dakarga. ras gulisxmobT?

_ vTqvi, rom `qarTulma

ocnebam~ mizidulobismuxti dakarga, oRondisic davamate, rac im in-terviuSi aRar moxvda _ganaxlebas isev am poli-tikuri velidan veli. ra

Tqma unda, is muxti daikarga. ax-

la sxva gamowvevebia. maSin Cveni

mTavari amocana reJimze gamarj-

veba iyo, raTa gagveTavisuflebi-

na sivrce, rac ivaniSvilma sazo-

gadoebasTan erTad moaxerxa. mag-

ram axla es mocemuloba aRaraa.

axla, ufro mSvidad SeiZleba

ukeTesze fiqri. `qarTul ocne-

bas~ aSkarad sWirdeba didi ga-

naxleba. igi arCevnebSi ganaxle-

buli saxiT unda wavides. anu,

maT rigebSi iseTi xalxi unda

gamoCndes, vinc samarTlianobis

aRdgenisTvis ibrZolebs. dRes

`qarTul ocnebaSi~ niWierebis,

siaxlis gancdis problemaa. axla

sxva gamowveva da sxva mocemu-

lobaa. radgan batoni biZi-na am partiis damfuZnebe-lia, vfiqrob, man am didiganaxlebisTvis unda moi-calos. mas amis resursiaqvs, vgulisxmob ara fi-nansurs, aramed mis gamW-riaxobasa da sulier re-surss. xalxi did ganaxle-bas elodeba, oRond arapolitikuri sivrcidan.

_ xalxi ivaniSvilis poli-

tikaSi dabrunebasac elodeba?

_ Tu misi politikaSi dabru-

nebis aucilebloba mTeli simZaf-

riT dadga, mjera, amas, pirvel

rigSi, Tavad batoni biZina igrZ-

nobs da im gadawyvetilebas mii-

Rebs, rac qveynisTvis ukeTesi iq-

neba. ra formiT dabrundeba ar

vici, es SeiZleba ar iyos aRmas-

rulebeli saxelisuflebo pos-

ti, magram vimedovneb, igi opti-

malur gadawyvetilebas miiRebs.

masSi ganaxlebis survils vxedav.

ra Tqma unda, adamiani siaxles

yovelTvis elodeba. politika

iseTi ramea metis moTxovnileba,

axali gamowveva maleve dgeba.

lado asaTians davesesxebi: `xom

lamazia es saqarTvelo magram me

ufro lamazi minda~. ufroSi

ganviTarebis muxti devs. Tu yve-

lafriT arsebuliT kmayofili

iqnebi, ganviTarebis muxti Sewy-

deba. Tumca evroasocirebis xel-

Sekruleba erT ramesac gvaval-

debulebs _ Cveni moTxovnebi ar-

sebuli mocemulobidan gamomdi-

nare davayenoT. vazs ga-zafxulze aravin hkrefs,es Semodgomaze unda mox-des. minda xelisuflebasvurCio, arasodes Sewyvi-tos komunikacia sazoga-doebasTan, es umniSvnelo-vanesia. ar SeiZleba konkretu-

li problemis afeTqebiT gadawy-

veta. meti kontaqtia saWiro. am

kuTxiT vakuumia. iciT, ratom

maSfoTebs es vakuumi? _ merab

mamardaSvili ambobda: rodesac

xelisuflebasa da sazogadoebas

Soris vakuumi Cndeba, am vakuums

naZiralebi ikaveben. es unda ga-

viTvaliswinoT.

_ dasawyisSi proeqtze isaub-

reT. ra situaciaa amJamad, pro-

eqtis klanWebidan gamovZveriT,

Tu xelisufleba isev `patronis~

mZevalia?

_ Cveni qveyana evropa-aziis

gzagasayarzea. Tu erTi mxriv,

dampyroblebisTvis yovelTvis

mimzidveli iyo, meore mxriv, su-

lieri TvalsazrisiT gamdidrda,

aq orma aRmosavleTis da dasav-

leTis kulturam moiyara Tavi,

kulturaTa dialogi Sedga.

`vefxistyaosani~ amis utyuari

gvirgvini, qarTuli saxelmwifos

samudamo sayrdenia. dRes damou-

kideblobis niSan-wyali gaCnda.

iseTi epoqaa, srulad damouki-

debloba albaT, gaWirdeba. miTu-

metes, rom arc samxedro Zliere-

biT vquxvarT, arc ekonomikurad.

rac nacionalebi ruseTTan omSi

Caebnen, gaxsovT, riTac damTavr-

da ritorika _ aqeT goras wix-

lsa vkrav, iqiT goras Zvras vu-

zam. bolos, rusTavelze `gviSve-

le sarkos~ bRaviliT daasrules

omi. baqraZem ganacxada _ iqneb

sakuTari dana-CangliT daicvaT

Tavi, me ukve TavSesafarSi var,

Cemi dardi nu geqnebaT, rac mTa-

vara gadavrCi, jarianad gamogas-

wariT, axla Tavad daicaviT Ta-

vi dana-CangliTo.

saqarTveloSi didi xania

arsebobs virtualuri patrio-

tizmi da fasaduri politikuri

kultura, erTi SexedviT viTom

Tavganwiruli, romelic bolos

zemoT naxsenebi baqraZis gancxa-

debiT, sarkos bRaviliTa da mi-

wa-wylis dakargviT mTavrdeba.

gana SeiZleba agoraze tabudade-

buli Temebi arsebobdes? _ amaze

ar isaubro, Torem Sav dRes da-

gayrio. veravisac ver daayrian

Sav dRes, ase mxolod miwas da-

iyrian gulze, meti araferi ar

iqneba. SeiZleba saero azrovneba

SezRuduli sivrce iyos? es siv-

rce unda gaixsnas. Tu ar Rirs

Sexvedra, SiSiT ki ar unda Tqva

uari, aramed awon-dawono. saku-

Tar gadawyvetilebaSi Tavisufa-

li unda iyo da ara SeSinebuli.

esaa sazogadoebis mTavari nakli,

fsevdo-patriotebis mier Seqmni-

li politikuri koniunqturis

veli dRemde ver daamsxvria.

_ bolos gviTxariT, Semoqme-

debaSi ra xdeba?

_ ianvris bolos londonSi

inglisur enaze Cemi wigni `nafe-

xurebi wyalze~ gamova. igi mar-

tis bolos `voTer sTounSi~

saprezentacio nusxasSia Casmu-

li.

Tamar SveliZe555 23 28 24

9 gv.

daviT maRraZe: saqarTvelos

iseTive mniSvnelobis reforma

sWirdeba, rogorc ioane petriwma

Caatara gelaTis akademiaSi

saydrisi

11#1, 21 ianvari, 2014 w.

kkaaccoobbrriioobbiiss

`̀TTaavvzzaarrddaammcceemmii

ssaaiidduummlloo~~

((ggaaggrrZZeelleebbaa))

mTeli Tavisi dedabudiT

waasxa babilonis mefem, nabu-

qodonosorma iudas mefe babi-

lonSi da mis adgilze, mefe-

dve datova mefis biZa - cidki-

ahu. meored dalaSqra nabuqo-

donosorma ierusalimi. cidkia-

hu, romelic gadaudga babilo-

nis mefes , gaiqca, daiWires

gaqceuli cidkiahu qaldeveleb-

ma,mihgvares mefes, Tvalwin da-

ukles Svilebi, daTxares Tva-

lebi, spilenZis borkilebi da-

ades da miiyvanes babilons...

bibliis mefeTa wignebidan

moxmobili fragmentebiT mkiT-

xvelisaTvis gvinda TvalsaCino

iyos babilonis tyveobis umZi-

mesi xasiaTi ebraelTaTvis.

babilonis mefis nabuqodo-

nosoris mefobis me-19 -e wels,

misi qondaqarTuxucesi, nebu-

zardani, babilonis mefis mor-

Cili, moadga ierusalims: ga-

dawva uflis saxli da mefis

saxli, ierusalimis yvela sax-

li, yvela didi saxli cecxls

misca...daangria kedlebi ierusa-

limis irgvliv...qalaqSi darCe-

nili mosaxleoba da isini, vinc

babilonis mefes Cabardnen,

Wrel xalxTan erTad ahyara...

nawili qveynis xalxisa mevena-

xeebad da mxvnel-mTesvelebad

datova...“ (4mef.25,9-

12).

daniel winaswar-

metyvelis wignSi aRwe-

rilia babilonSi Camoy-

vanil iudevel tyveTa

gamoyenebis istoria sa-

mefo karis e. w. inte-

leqtualuri msaxurebi-

saTvis, rac zemoTxsene-

buli „miTiT“ qalde-

velTa mier qaldeuri

sibrZnis ebraelTaTvis gadace-

mis rituali yofila, ganxor-

cielebuli fanatikosi qalde-

veli mogvebis varskvlavTmety-

veluri winaswarmetyvelebis

Sedegad, romliTac kacobrio-

bis momavali Tume ganpirobebu-

lad ekuTvnis ebrael xalxs.

ufro meti: mTeli babilonis

tyveoba Semdgara qaldeveli

mogvebis winaswarmetyvelebis

Sedegad, imisaTvis, rom gonieri

ebraelebi wamoeyvanaT babilon-

Si qaldeur sibrZneSi gasawrT-

vnelad: mTeli am deteqtivis

Sesaqmnelad gamoyenebulia da-

niel winaswarmetyvelis wignSi

asaxuli informacia, romliTac

mefe nabuqodonosorma, romel-

mac ierusalimidan wamoRebuli

Zvirfasi WurWleuli Tavisi

RmerTis saganZurSi Seitana da

tradiciisamebr nadavli Tavis

RmerTs miarTva, saWurisTa mTa-

vars davaleba misca:“miegvara

misTvis israelianTagan, samefo

modgmidan da didebulTagan

unaklo, Sesaxedavad mSvenieri,

yvela sibrZneSi daxelovnebu-

li, niWieri da swavlis unari-

ani ymawvilebi, romelTac SeeZ-

lebodaT mefis karze samsaxu-

ris gaweva da qaldevelTa mwig-

nobrobisa da enis Seswav-

la.“(dan.1,3-4).

babilonis mefeT, sxva qvey-

nebis araerTi mefe da didebu-

li hyavdaT TavianT samefo kar-

ze tyveebad, rogorc amas mefe-

Ta meoTxe wigni gvauwyebs bib-

liisa, da gvauwyebs imasac, rom

samefo didsulovnebis eTika,

mefobisa da didebulebis pati-

vis niSnad, maT, e. i. babilone-

lebs ganawyobda mefeTa da di-

debulTadmi Sesaferisi da

Rirseuli samsaxuri daewesebi-

naT, amasTan saWiro da sasar-

geblo sakuTari samefo kari-

saTvis. rac Sexeba qaldevelTa

wignebis gamoyenebas ebraelTa

mier es ukve dasrulebulia ba-

bilonis tyveobis dros. ebrae-

lebs ukve Tavisi oqros xana

gavlili aqvT. qaldevelTa sib-

rZnis miTviseba iwyeba ukve ab-

raamidan da miTvisebuli gadae-

cemaT Taobebs. da ara mxolod

qaldevelTagan. specialistebis

mier dadgenilia mose winaswar-

metyvelis aTi mcnebis gadmo-

sesxeba egviptelTa wminda wig-

nidan, romelsac `mkvdarTa wig-

ni“ hqvia. (jonaTan bleki: „ms-

oflios saidumlo istoria“).

Cvens mier zemoT xmobil

qarTul xalxur gamonaTqvam-

Si:“uria wyals mihqonda da Cemi

gzac iqiT ario“ - saocari siR-

rmiT aris daWerili ebraeli

xalxis uCveulo da, SeiZleba

iTqvas, genialuri unari, nebis-

mieri ubedureba Seatrialos

Tavis sasargeblod. ase moxda

meore msoflio omiTac. omi,

romelic udidesi tragedia iyo

ebraeli xalxisTvis, omi, rom-

liTac ebraeli xalxis msof-

lio devnam kulminacias miaRwia,

damTavrda ebraeli xalxis ga-

marjvebiT, radgan am omiT ebra-

elma xalxma Secvala msoflio,

Secvala msoflios damokidebu-

leba ebraelTa mimarT.

ebraelTa mdevneli da mZul-

vare msofliodan miviReT ebra-

elTa qomagi da ebraelTa wame-

bul bedze gadafarebuli, yov-

lgvar antisemitizmze aRSfo-

Tebuli msoflio. es, cxadia,

ar exeba saqarTvelos, sadac

arasodes yofila ebraelTa

devna da sadac yovelTvis hqon-

daT siyvaruli ebraelebs, da

saerTod azradac ar mosvlia

qarTvelobas, raime tkivilis

miyeneba maTTvis. gviyvardnen

isini da gviyvaran. magram dad-

ga Jami, rodesac kacobriobam

daiwyo TviTgamorkveva saidum-

loebiT moculi am ori subieq-

tis urTierTmimarTebisa: ka-

cobriobisa da ebraeli eris.

rogor moxda, rom es bibliuri

xalxi, erTdroulad, iyo dev-

nilic, mTel msoflioSi kars

miRma gagdebuli, da amavdrou-

lad kacobriobis maswavlebeli

da cxovrebis saxelmZRvanelod

mimcemi wminda wignisa, bibliis.

TviT qristianobis gamarjvebi-

Tac xom ebraeli xalxis bibli-

uri istoria iqca saxelmZRva-

nelod kacobriuli azrovnebi-

sa? TviT qristes movlinebac

ki SesZles ebraelebma rom Ta-

vianT sasargeblod gamoeyenebi-

naT. didi ilia WavWavaZe da di-

di akaki wereTeli , es ori di-

di mgosani da ori didi moZR-

vari qarTveli erisa, ebraeli

xalxis mimarT ori sruliad

sxvadaxva poziciiT warudgebi-

an mSobel xalxs. saocaria da-

mokidebuleba akaki wereTlisa

ebraelTadmi. ramdenadac CemT-

vis cnobilia, arasodes gamxda-

ra es damokidebuleba raime

ganxilvisa da Semecnebis sagani.

SesaniSnavi saqme ganaxorciela

cnobilma istorikosma da mwe-

ralma, b-nma zurab ratianma,

rodesac calke patara wignad

gamosca qarTuli esseistikis

ori brwyinvale nimuSi: ilia

WavWavaZis „daviT aRmaSenebeli“

da akaki wereTlis „Tamar me-

fe~. Tamar mefisadmi miZRvnil

werilSi, sadac TavisTavad de-

dakacis, dedis, qalis fenomen-

ze uxdeba akakis saubari, akaki

wereTeli ebrael xalxs uwo-

debs yvela xalxis moZule ers,

da bibliur pozicias qalisad-

mi, patriarqalursa da mZvinva-

res, qalis damakninebels da ka-

cobriuli codvis saTaved dam-

wesebels, uwodebs „mawanwala

azrs“. akaki wereTlis am damo-

kidebulebas ebrauli bibliuri

cnobierebisadmi da mis gansjas

bibliuri xedvisas deduri

sawyisisadmi, Cven ukve SevexeT

Cvens naSromSi: „Tamar mefis

wm. samebis meoTxe wevrad ga-

mocxadebis gagebisaTvis“(ix.

krebuli: „bizantinologia

2010) da akakis am azrs miveciT

udidesi Sefaseba. akaki wereT-

lis am Tvalsazriss Teologi-

uri azris istoriaSi udaod

udidesi da msoflio masStabis

mniSvneloba aqvs. rac Seexeba,

ilia WavWavaZis gansjas da da-

mokidebulebas ebraeli xalxis

fenomenisadmi, rasac Cven ukve

SevexeT zemoT, winamdebare

Sromis Sesabamis problemebTan

kavSirSi, iliaseuli Tvalsaz-

risi sruliad gansxvavebulia

da ilia WavWavaZeSi, misi leq-

siT: „poetiT“, imdenad igrZno-

ba simpatia mose winaswarmety-

velis, rogorc eris winamZRo-

lis idealuri warmomadgenlis

mimarT, imdenad aigivebs kidec

ilia TavisTavs, rogorc winam-

ZRols qarTveli erisas moses-

Tan, rom misTvis, qarTuli

erovnuli moZraobis fuZemdeb-

lisa da winamZRolisaTvis, bib-

liisadmi, anu pirvel rigSi mo-

ses wignebisadmi kritikuli da-

mokidebulebis adgili TiTqos

aRar rCeba: „me ca mniSnavs da

eri mzrdis, miwieri zeciersa,

RmerTTan misTvis vlaparakob,

rom warvuZRve wina ersa“-o. am-

gvari bibliuri suliskveTbiT

gadmoscems ilia WavWavaZe Ta-

vis misias. swored am diad qar-

Tul grZnobaSi, ilia WavWavaZi-

seul qarTul cnobierebaSi iba-

deba pirvelad fundamentaluri

mniSvnelobis kiTxva: ratom

idevnebian es sawyali da wame-

buli ebraelebi mTel msofli-

oSi?! ra daaSaves iseTi, rom

dedamiwis yvela kontinentisT-

vis arian miuRebelni?! da da-

sasrul, miuxedavad Tavisi

Rrmad adamianuri da sruliad

moyvruli Tanadgomisa, rome-

lic gamoxatulia mis werilSi

“ebraelTa Sesaxeb“, brZeni pat-

roni Tavisi erisa gamafrTxi-

lebel daskvnasTan midis, iseT

sayovelTaod mniSvnelovan das-

kvnasTan, romelsac arcerTi

gonieri eri mxedvelobidan ar

gauSvebda. qarTvel ers araso-

des miuqcevia raime sagangebo

yuradReba ilia WavWavaZis arc

am werilisaTvis da arc am das-

kvnisaTvis, garda imisa, rom we-

rili ilias gamomcemel filo-

log mecnierTa mier mis naS-

romTa tomeulebSi iqna Setani-

li da misi, am werilis arsebo-

ba qarTuli cnobierebis isto-

riisaTvis uzrunvelyofil iqna.

ebraeli eris fenomeni namd-

vilad ar aris saTanadod Ses-

wavlili, iseve, rogorc saTana-

dod ar aris Seswavlili ebra-

eli eris bibliuri istoria.

ilia WavWavaZis msjeloba ebra-

eli eris Sesaxeb, ebraeli eris

mizanswrafvaze msoflio bato-

nobisaken, erTgvari ilustra-

ciaa am eris, rogorc fenomena-

wakiTxul iqna moxsenebad bizantinologTa saer-

TaSoriso konferenciaze, baTumSi, rusTavelis sa-

xelobis saxelmwifo universitetSi, 2013 wlis 26

seqtembers, sakonferencio moxsenebisTvis gankuT-

vnili Sesabamisi, mokle versiiT.

saqarTvelo da qarTuli eklesia

apokalifsis karibWesTaninformaciuli omi saqarTvelos istoriuli samefo taxtis xelSi

Casagdebad anu qarTvel bagrationTa samefo titulis „daviTianis“

gagebisaTvis dRevandeli msoflios axali wesrigis WrilSi

12 gv.

deniza sumbaZe (filosofiis mecnierebaTa doqtori, profesori):

eklesiis pirispir martod darCenilma, saWirodCavTvale, mSvelelad vuxmo qarTvel xalxs

gagrZeleba. dasawyisi

ix. `saerTo gazeTi~ #42-445

12 #1, 21 ianvari, 2014 w.

luri movlenis Seuswavlelo-

bisa msoflios xalxebisagan.

ilia WavWavaZis werili dawe-

rilia me-19-e saukunis dasas-

ruls, faqtiurad im dros, ro-

desac amerikis SeerTebul Sta-

tebSi saZirkvlebs iyris msof-

lios sionisturi moZraoba,

rodesac iwyeba aRmavloba ebra-

eli eris bibliuri mizanswraf-

visa msoflioze gabatonebisaT-

vis. ilia WavWavaZes es infor-

macia jer ara aqvs. da igi sao-

cari winaswarmetyvelebiT Caav-

lebs im umniSvnelovanes azrs

ebraelTa Sesaxeb, romelic ,

rogorc Cans, Tergdaleul pe-

terburgelTan unda SemoRweu-

liyo evropidan. Tumca isic un-

da iTqvas, rom aravis iseT siR-

rmeebSi ar gauSifravs ebrauli

fenomeni, rogorc es rusulma

Teologiurma da analitikurma

gonebam SesZlo. ilia WavWava-

Zes, rogorc qarTvel kacs, am

mimarTulebiT mZafri interesi

arc hqonia. qarTul cnobiereba-

Si mTeli qristianuli istori-

is manZilze es qarTul-ebrau-

li fenomenaluri urTierTmi-

marTebis problema informaciu-

lad iyo damarxuli. akaki we-

reTlis azrovnebaSi, mis erov-

nul xedvaSi, SesaZloa, es sru-

liad stiqiurad da bunebrivad

iCens Tavs, rogorc alternati-

uli, Rrmad qarTuli, sruliad

genialurad TavisTavadi, anti-

bibliuri, rogorc antiebrau-

li pozicia. ilia WavWavaZe ,

romelsac SeeZlo profesiona-

lis doneze ekonomikisa da fi-

nansebis erovnul saxelmwifo-

ebriv mniSvnelobaSic SeeRwia

eris sicocxleze fiqriT, aR-

moaCens, rom ebraeli xalxi

mTel msoflioSi idevneba ara

Tavisi religiuri fanatizmis

an genetikuri fanatizmis gamo,

aramed im usamarTlo ekonomi-

kuri politikis gamo, romelic

mas gzad da saSualebad gaux-

dia msoflio kapitalis xelSi

Casagdebad, gavlenis mosaxdenad

qveyanaTa da mefeTa bedze, da

msoflio batonobis gansaxor-

cieleblad am usamarTlo eko-

nomikuri politikis gziT. ai,

es usamarTlo ekonomikuri po-

litika miaCnia ilia WavWavaZes

damafiqreblad mTeli kacobri-

obisaTvis, rogorc me-19-e sau-

kunis msoflio moqalaqesac da

qarTveli eris ugvirgvino me-

fesac. Cven dRes vcxovrobT

ilia WavWavaZis winaswarmetyve-

lebaaxdenil msoflioSi, Seu-

mecnebelni ilia WavWavaZis wi-

naswarmetyvelebisac da im

msoflio realobisac, romel-

Sic vcxovrobT. da saocari ram

xdeba: dRevandeli safrangeTis

erTerTi cnobili politikosi,

safrangeTis erovnuli fron-

tis lideri , q-ni marin le pe-

ni pirdapir acxadebs Riad da

mTeli msoflios gasagonad:

„dRevandeli msoflios vaWro-

bisa da ekonomikis saerTaSori-

so kanonebi usamarTloa!“ aseTi

sizustiT axdena ilia WavWava-

Zis winaswarmetyveluri gafr-

Txilebisa marTlac saocrebaa!

axla davubrundeT b-n vaxa-

nias im „deteqtivs“, romelic

gazeT „qaldea“-Si gamoqveynda

gverdigverd Cemi Sromisa:“qal-

develebi bibliisa da qaldeve-

lebi bizantiisa“, da romelSic

qarTuli sazogadoebisTvis

pirvelad, amoweulia cnobili

germaneli filosofosis Se-

lingis, didi Teosofosis, q-n

elena blavackaias da saqarTve-

los patriarqis, misi uwminde-

sobisa da unetaresobis, kirion

meoris (1918), eriskacobaSi gi-

orgi saZagliSvilis Tvalsaz-

risebi qaldevelTa fenomenis

Sesaxeb. jer momyavs citata Ce-

mi Sromidan: „qaldevelebi bib-

liisa da qaldevelebi bizanti-

isa“. Sevaxseneb mkiTxvels rom

Sroma warmoadgens Cems moxse-

nebas bizantinologTa saerTa-

Soriso kongresze da wa-

kiTxul iqna parizSi, sorbonis

universitetSi gamarTul sxdo-

maze, 2001 wlis 20 agvistos:

„filosofosi Selingi acxa-

debda, rom ebrauli monoTeizmi

transformacia unda iyos wina-

re civilizaciis ezoTeruli,

arapatriarqaluri monoTeizmi-

sa. es varaudebi, cxadia, saWi-

roebdnen dasturad moxmobas

nivTieri werilobiTi Zeglebi-

sas, romelnic drois msaxvra-

li xeliTac da adamianTa xel-

SewyobiTac ganadgurdnen da

aRar arseboben...“

„mTeli qaldeuri sakralu-

ri literatura uvicTa Tval-

Tagan daikarga iseve ukvalod,

rogorc CaZiruli atlantida“-

brZanebs msoflios Teosofiuri

moZraobis fuZemdebeli, didi

qalbatoni, elene blavackaia

Tavis wignSi:“saidumlo doqt-

rina“, da Tavis mxriv, ufro

detalurad ganmartavs am Ca-

Zirvis traRedias: qaldeuri

civilizacia marTlac CaZiruli

iyoo msoflio sazogadoebrio-

bisaTvis Cveni wlTaRricxvis

me-19-e saukunemde. me-19-e sau-

kuneSi „qaldeuri genezisis“

lursmuli dafebis aRmoCeniT

ki dasruldao gza-kvalis are-

va 1500 wlis ganmavlobaSi mTe-

li civilizebuli erebisaTvis,

romelTaTvisac bibliuri, anu

ebraelTmieri nasesxobani qal-

develebisagan, miCneuli iyo

uSualo da RvTaebriv gamocxa-

debad Tavad ebraelebisa“.

saqarTvelos kaTalikos

patriarqi, kirion meore, saZag-

liSvili, profesiiT istoriko-

si-arqeologi, 1918 wels mok-

lul iqna. mis pirad arqivSi

dRemde gamouqveynebeli da mi-

ukvleveli darCa misi uwminde-

sobis werili: Çíà÷åíèå ðàñê-

îïîê â Õàëäåå äëÿ íà÷àëüíîéèñòîðèè Êàðòâåë (Ãðóêçèí)...sruliad damoukideblad elene

blavackaiasagan, pirdapir agr-

Zelebs am weriliT elene bla-

vackaias sityvebs orTodoqsa-

luri qristianobis es qarTve-

li warmomadgeneli, sruliad

saqarTvelos kaTolikos-patri-

arqi, kirion meore: „Ïðèäàâçíà÷åíèå áîæåñòâåííîãî îòêðî-âåíèÿ èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ñâîåéíàöèîíàëüíîé êóëüòóðå, åâðåè,êàê íàðîä áîãîèçáðàííûé,íàâÿçàëè âñåìó ìèðó è ñâîþíàöèîíàëüíóþ èñòîðèþ, êîòî-ðàÿ ó íèõ ñëèëàñü ñ èñòîðèåéðåëèãèè.

Ðàñêîïêè äîêàçàëè ÷òî âÌåñîïîòàìèè çà VII - VIII

òûñÿ÷ ëåò äî Ðîæäåíèÿ Õðè-ñòîâà æèëè Êàëüäû, êîòîðûåïåðâûå â ìèðå âûðàáîòàëèñâîþ âûñîêóþ íàöèîíàëüíóþêóëüòóðó, ñäåëàâøóþñÿ èñòî÷íè-êîì è îáðàçöîì äëÿ êóëüòóðïîñëåäóþùèõ íàðîäîâ.

Äî ñèõ ïîð ñóùåñòâîâàëîïðåâðàòíîå ïîíÿòèå î åâðå-éñêîé êóëüòóðå. Áîëåå 2000 ëåòåâðåè äåðæàëè â ðåëèãèîçíî-èñòîðè÷åñêîì ïîðàáîùåíèè ïî-÷òè âåñü ìèð, ñóìåâ íàâÿçàòü÷åëîâå÷åñòâó íåãëàñíî ïðèñâî-åííûå èìè îò äðóãèõ... íàðî-äîâ è ñêëî÷åííûå íà ñâîé ëàäðåëèãèîçíûå âåðîâàíòèÿ.“

„minda... ganvacxado, rom

qaldeuri sakraluri litera-

tura ar CaZirula, rogorc at-

lantida da gadarCenilia yve-

laze didi da yvelaze sakra-

luri Txzuleba qaldeveli

xalxisa. es gaxlavT qaldeuri

ena. es gaxlavT gadarCenili

STamomavloba qaldeveli xal-

xisa, romelic erT milionamdea

darCenili da mimofantuli

mTel dRevandel msoflio-

Si.....isini iseve warmoadgenen im

uZveles civilizacias Sume-

rul-qaldeuri qveynisas, ro-

gorc Cven, qarTvelebi, cocxa-

li xati da mkvidri cocxali

gangrZobani varT qaldeurze

ufro Zveli kolxur-mosxuri

civilizaciisa, argonavtebis

droindeli mefe aietisa da

kolxi medeas modgmis“(deniza

sumbaZe: „qaldevelebi bibliisa

da qaldevelebi bizantiisa“,

2001 weli, parizi).

amgvarad, Cven SevecadeT, gv-

eCvenebina evropuli, anu Selin-

giseuli, fundamentalur - Te-

osofiuri, anu elena blavacka-

iseuli da qarTul-eklesiuri,

anu kaTalikos-patriarq kirion

meoriseuli poziciebi qaldeu-

ri fenomenisa da ebrauli fe-

nomenis principuli urTierTmi-

marTebis. Tanamedrove termino-

logiiT saqme gvaqvs erTi xal-

xis inteleqtualuluri sakuT-

rebis miTvisebasTan meore xal-

xis mier araeTikuri gzebiT da

damalva miTvisebis faqtisa sa-

informacio omebis gziT da ara

babilonis tyveobis mowyoba eb-

raelTadmi upiratesobis dasaT-

mobad. saqarTvelos eklesias

aranairi yuradReba da intere-

si ar gamouCenia kirion kaTa-

likosis am umniSvnelovanesi

werilis mimarT.

rodesac evropelma arqeo-

logebma nivTierad gaxsnes sai-

dumlo ebraelTa mier mTeli

bibliuri Teologiis wamoRebi-

sa da miTvisebisa qaldevelTa-

gan, rogorc Cans, saWiro gaxda

axali „miTebis“ Seqmna am dana-

Saulis gadasafarad da gasaba-

Tileblad. am „miTebma’ sruli-

ad Cvenda moulodnelad polit

- patimar vaxanias cixeSi amoy-

ves Tavi, Tanac Cveneul Sroma-

Si warmoCenili qaldeuri Rir-

sebis Casaqrobad da sagangebo

gazeTis: „qaldeis“ furclebze

gamosamzeureblad. SegaxsenebT

mTel im logikur siuJets, ro-

melic b-nma vaxaniam mogvawoda

cixidan qaldeur-ebrauli Teo-

logiuri urTierTmimarTebis

gansamarteblad:

qaldevelebi varskvlavT-

metyvelebi iyvnen da varskvlav-

Tmetyveluri winaswarmetyvele-

biT icodnen, rom kacobriobis

momavali ganpirobebulia da

rom am ganpirobebulobis mixed-

viT kacobriobis momavali

ekuTvnis ebrael xalxs. amitom

fanatikosma qaldevelma mogveb-

ma mefe nabuqodonosoris zeo-

baSi moawyves „babilonis tyve-

oba“, wamoiyvanes ebraelTa qvey-

nidan rCeuli ebraelebi, gans-

wavles qaldeur enaze da ga-

dasces maT qaldeuri sibrZnec

da enac, raTa SemdgomSi, ro-

gorc kacobriobis momavlis

mflobelebs, SeenaxaT es sibr-

Zne, rogorc sityva da moZRvre-

ba RvTisa, gankuTvnili mTeli

kacobriobisaTvis ebraelTa

gziT.

am deteqtivis avtors miaC-

nia, rom dRevandeli qarTveli

xalxi gamoTayvanebuli da gau-

naTlebeli xalxia da misi, am

xalxis daqiraveba fuliT da

mis tvinSi damqiravneblisagan

nebismieri informaciis CaTesva

iseTive martivi SesaZleblobaa,

rogorc daqiraveba viRac ubiri

surogati dedisa amerikeli ge-

ebisaTvis, da yovelive amis ga-

mocxadeba evroamerikuli zehu-

manisturi eTikis gamovlenad.

am deteqtivis avtors miaCnia,

rom saqarTvelos xelisufleba

saqarTvelos eklesias vaxanias

Wkuaze waiyvans da razec ginda

imaze moawerinebs xels. am de-

teqtivis avtors miaCnia, rom

is, rasac qalbatoni deniza

sumbaZe wers, Tavad saqarTve-

los eklesiis mier iqneba gau-

fasurebuli, radgan vaxanias

deteqtivis ukan saqarTvelos

xelisufleba dgas da damkveTi

am deteqtivisa saqarTvelos xe-

lisufleba gaxlavT, xolo q-n

deniza sumbaZis ukan dgas mxo-

lod TiTo-orola mecnieri,

romlebsac roca unda maSin ga-

aCumebs saxelmwifo eklesiisave

mxardaWeriT! sapirispirod b-n

vaxanias aRmoCenebisa, viTom

qaldevelma mogvebma ebraelTa

msoflio batonoba iwinaswar-

metyveles da amitom mTeli

qaldeuri sibrZne da nawerni

maT gadasces da maT dauTmes.

viTom babilonis mier mTeli eb-

raeli eris tyved wasxma amis-

Tvis moawyves, q-n deniza sumba-

Zis azriT babilonis tyveoba

iyo revanSi qaldeuri didi

upiratesobis grZnobisa ebra-

elTa mimarT. b-ni vaxania ara-

fers ambobs solomonis taZar-

ze, romelic mTlianad gaZarc-

ves babilonelebma, TavianTi we-

sisamebr mTeli nadavli saku-

Tar taZrebSi sakuTar RmerTebs

miarTves da rac mTavaria, ebra-

elebTan TavianTi religiuri

dapirispirebis niSnad, babilo-

nelebma maT, daviTisa da solo-

monis udidesi RvawliT nagebi,

ebraelTa RmerTis saRvTismsa-

xuro istoriuli taZari daun-

gries. babilonelma, anu qalde-

velma mogvebma ebraelTa momava-

li ki ar iwinaswarmetyveles,

aramed qristes movlineba iwi-

naswarmetyveles, rac namdvi-

lad ar niSnavda ebraelTa upi-

robo momavals. qristes ver-

miwvdomiT maT dakarges isic,

rac hqondaT da rac miecaT

RvTisagan: SesaZlebloba, Sansi

11 gv. saqarTvelo da qarTuli eklesia

apokalifsis karibWesTan

13#1, 21 ianvari, 2014 w.

qristes aRiarebisa sakuTari

sjulis dasasrulad da dag-

virgvinebad, rogorc amas pavle

mociquli ganmartavs. qalde-

velTa sibrZnis memkvidreni da

WeSmariti mflobelni rom yo-

filiyvnen ebraelebi, maSin

jvarze ki ar gaakravdnen qris-

tes, aramed TviTon iqnebodnen

„mesiis maxvilni“.

b-ni vaxanias dteqtivebi

Zalzed TvalSi sacemad Cveni

Tvalsazrisebis winaaRmdeg

aris mimarTuli. diax! Cven nam-

dvilad vfiqrobT, rom qarTu-

li cnobiereba qaldeuris memk-

vidre cnobierebaa. swored qar-

Tuli cnobierebiT da swored

q-n deniza sumbaZis gamokvlevb-

Si gaiSifra is, rom qristiano-

ba zogad- qaldeuri movlenaa.

rom qristes movlinebac da

qristianuli moZRvrebis daba-

debac, es iyo qaldeuri cnobi-

erebis vulkanuri amoxeTqva

iudeaSi, da qaldeuri cnobie-

rebis sakacobrio gamarjveba. q-

n deniza sumbaZis Teologiur

kvlevaSi gaiSifra isic, rom

qristesSobis maxaroblebica da

qristesjvarcmis Wirisuflebic

qaldeveli mogvebi arian:pir-

velni „aRmosavleTidan“ Casul-

ni ierusalimis beTlems, xolo

meoreni, Casulni ierusalims-

mcxeTidan...(ix. gazeTi: „ive-

ria“,2003 wlis dekemberi, niu

iorki, Jurnali: „literatura

da xelovneba“, redaqtori vaJa

oTaraSvili, 2005 w.#2, deni-

za sumbaZe: „ giorgi mTawminde-

lis winaswarmetyveleba qarT-

veli eris Sesaxeb“, 2012 we-

li,Tsu areopagituli samecnie-

ro centri).

b-n vaxanias patimrobis mi-

zezi CvenTvis cnobili ar aris.

misi msjelobidan ki gviCndeba

azri, rom mas patimrobasTan

erTad qaldeologoba hqonda

xelisuflebisagan misjili.

gTxovT, kargad CavukvirdeT

, ra mizani SeiZleba hqondes

patimrobaSi myofi mecnieris

mier Tavisi qveynis Rirsebis

sawinaaRmdego istoriuli de-

teqtivebis Seqmnas. ganmeorebiT

vixmob zemoT ukve moxmo-

bil amonarids b-ni va-

xanias wignidan,

romliTac avto-

ri uceremoni-

od gvauwyebda

, rom qalde-

velebma upi-

ratesoba da-

uTmes ebrae-

lebs, imitom

rom maTive wi-

naswarmetyvelu-

ri codniT kacob-

riobis momavali upi-

robod unda mihkuTvneboda

ebrael xalxs:

b-ni vaxania ase gvmoZRvravs:,

„Teologis da istorikosis,

arqimandrit petre soliarskis

cnobiT, qaldevelTa kasturi

oligarqia moicavda babilonis

(Sumeris) da egviptis quru-

mebs.. kastis cocxali memkvid-

re, erTaderTi memkvidre qarT-

veli xalxia. RvTis am Tavzar-

damcemi saidumlosTvis qalde-

velTa modgma daemona ebrae-

lebs, gaxda iakobis tyve(gTnda,

ufalo, qveyanai Seni, moaqcie

tyvei iakobisi“, fsal.

84,2).“(gaz.:“qaldea“,#4, 2011

weli, redaqtori akademia

„qaldeis“ prezidenti, poeti

vaJa egriseli).

b-n vaxanias mTeli es pozi-

ciebi, rogorc zemoTac aRvniS-

ne, q-n inwkirvelis poziciebis

mimdevroba da maTi gangrZobaa.

ase rom am poziciebis danergva-

ze qarTul cnobierebaSi sakma-

od adre daiwyo zrunva saqar-

TveloSi garkveuli Zalebis mi-

er, iqidan moyolebuli, roca

cira inwkirvelma qarTuli

erovnuli moZraobis Suacecxl-

Si, saqarTvelos droSis isto-

riul saxelwodebaSi: „gorgas-

lian- daviTianSi“ , daviT ebra-

elTa mefis amokiTxva moindoma

qarTvelTa mefis - daviT aRma-

Seneblis sanacvlod.

mkiTxvelis yuradReba minda

am ganmeorebiT moxmobil frag-

mentSi, avtoris kidev erT

msjelobaze mivapyro da Se-

kiTxva ise davsva. citatis da-

sawyisSi xom gviTxra b-nma va-

xaniam , rom babiloneli quru-

mebis winaswarmetyvelebiT mo-

ewyoo „babilonis tyveoba“, ba-

bilonelebma Tavis saidumlo

nawerTa gadasacemad daatyveve-

so ebraelebi. citatis dasas-

ruls, iakobs, anu ebraelebs

dautyvevebiaT qaldevelebi. uf-

ro zustad: „qaldevelTa kas-

tis cocxali memkvidre, erTa-

derTi memkvidre qarTveli xal-

xia. RvTis am Tavzardamcemi sa-

idumlosTvis qaldevelTa mod-

gma daemona ebraelebs, gaxda

iakobis tyve!“- wers b-ni vaxa-

nia. vaxanias am warmoudgenel

uazro msjelobas Tan erTvis

citata fsalmunidan, rogorc

dadastureba misive gamogonili

uazro da cru naTqvamisa, rom

qaldevelTa modgma daemona eb-

raelebs da gaxda iakobis tyve:

„gTnda, ufalo, qveyanai Se-

ni, moaqcie tyvei iakobisi.“ am

dalocvil vaxanias arc qarTu-

li scodnia da arc azris gage-

bis unari hqonia. fsalmunSi,

rogorc cnobilia, yvela saga-

lobeli uflisadmi daviTs ar

ekuTvnis, magram yvela daviTi-

seuli suliskveTebisaa, reli-

giuradac da erovnuladac. es

striqoni sruliad aSka-

rad babilonis

tyveobis dasas-

ruls exeba da

amdenad daviT

w i n a s w a r -

metyvelisac

ver iqneba,

magram mTa-

vari es ar

aris. mTava-

ria, rom uf-

lisadmi vedre-

baSi madlierebaa

gamoxatuli imis ga-

mo , rom ufalma moaqcia,

anu ukan daabruna misi xalxi,

iakobis xalxi, iakobis tyveebi.

ufliseul qveyanaSi igulisxme-

ba „israeli“, saidanac babilo-

nelebma waiyvanes tyved israe-

lianebi, anu iakobis STamomav-

lebi. uyvarda ufals Tavisi

qveyana, Tavisi xalxi. „iakobis

tyveebi“ es ebraeli xalxia, da-

matyveveblebi iakobis xalxisa,

anu iakobis tyveebisa, babilo-

nelebi, igiv qaldevelebi arian

da ara iakobi - qaldevelebisa.

„gTnda, ufalo! queyanai Seni...“

- mimarTavs sagaloblis avtori

ufals: „ gesaTnoeboda ra, giy-

varda ra , Seni qveyana...“ ro-

gorc cnobilia, bibliaSi, ara-

erTgzis mimarTavs ufali ebra-

el xalxs , rogorc Tavis sa-

kuTar xalxs, Tavis amorCeul

xalxs, da aqedan gamomdinare,

qveyanac misi sakuTari xalxisa,

misi qveyanaa. aq „ qveyana“, faq-

tiurad „ xalxsac“ niSnavs,

ramdenadac „qveyanaSi“ yovelT-

vis igulisxmeba miwa-wyali Ta-

visi xalxiT.

fsalmuni ase iwyeba: „gesaT-

noeboda ra Seni qveyana ,ufalo,

daabrune(kidec ukan) tyveobaSi

myofi modgma iakobisa“... (Sem-

deg ase grZeldeba es fsalmu-

ni: „apatie danaSauli Sens

xalxs, dafare yvela misi cod-

va...“ da a. S.)

b-n vaxanias gagebiT am stri-

qonSi naTqvamia,rom

„qaldevelTa kastis

cocxali memkvidre, erTader-

Ti memkvidre qarTveli xalxia.

RvTis am Tavzardamcemi sai-

dumlosTvis qaldevelTa mod-

gma daemona ebraelebs, gaxda

iakobis tyve“. jer erTi ra-

tom aris da visTvis aris Tav-

zardamcemi saidumlo is, rom

qaldevelTa erTaderTi

cocxali memkvidre qarTveli

xalxia, avtoris msjelobaSi

gaurkvevelia, da meorec, ra-

tom unda damoneboda amisaTvis

qaldevelTa modgma ebraelebs,

da ratom unda gamxdariyo

iakobis tyve? aranairi logika

am msjelobaSi ar arsebobs.

erTaderTi, rac am gaugebro-

bis koriantelSi ikiTxeba, es

aris avtoris daintereseba ,

amoikiTxos qaldeurisa da eb-

raulis istoriul urTierT-

mimarTebaSi ebraulis upira-

tesoba, qaldevelTa mxridan

aRiareba ebraelTa upirateso-

bisa, daTmoba ebraelTaTvis Ta-

vianTi monapovari sibrZnisa, na-

werebisa, enisa, sakacobrio mi-

siisa da faqtiurad yvelafri-

sa...

yovlad gasaocari Tanac is

aris, rom yvelafer amas, rasac

b-ni vaxania igonebs, anu „TiTx-

nis“, asaRebs rogorc interpre-

tacias bibliuri pasaJebisas,

romlebSic, rogorc davinaxeT,

Zalian rbilad rom vTqvaT, ara-

feri msgavsi ar weria. pirda-

pir rom SevafasoT, saSineli

avantiurizmia Cadenili, magram

ara mxolod umecrebiT da une-

burad, aSkarad gamiznuli ten-

denciiT, da cxadia, ismis kiTx-

va: ra Zala adgas am ubedur va-

xanias da risTvis igdebs xaTa-

balaSi Tavs? an TviTon an misi

damkveTi?

am deteqtivis avtors, an am

deteqtivis damkveTs miaCnia,

rom dRevandeli qarTveli xal-

xi gamoTayvanebuli da gaunaT-

lebeli xalxia da misi, am xal-

xis daqiraveba fuliT da mis

tvinSi am damqiraveblisagan ne-

bismieri informaciis CaTesva

iseTive martivi SesaZleblobaa,

rogorc daqiraveba viRac ubiri

surogati dedisa, saqarTvelo-

Si, amerikeli geebisaTvis, da

yovelive amis gamocxadeba ev-

roamerikuli zehumanisturi

eTikis gamovlenad. am deteqti-

vis avtors miaCnia, rom saqar-

Tvelos xelisufleba saqarTve-

los eklesias vaxanias Wkuaze

waiyvans da razec ginda imaze

moawerinebs xels. am deteqti-

vis avtors miaCnia, rom is, ra-

sac qalbatoni deniza sumbaZe

wers, Tavad saqarTvelos ekle-

siis mier iqneba gaufasurebu-

li, radgan patimar vaxanias de-

teqtivis ukan didi albaTobiT

saqarTvelos xelisufleba

dgas, xolo q-n deniza sumbaZis

ukan dgas mxolod istoriuli

simarTle qaldevelTa diadi

sibrZnisa, romelic dRes aravis

sWirdeba da mxolod TiTo-

orola mecniers, romlebic, q-n

sumbaZis gverdiT dganan, roca

moisurvebs, maSin gaaCumebs sa-

xelmwifo, qarTveli xalxis

yvelaze didi avtoritetis, sa-

qarTvelos eklesiisave mxarda-

WeriT! sapirispirod b-n vaxani-

as aRmoCenebisa, viTom qaldeve-

lebma TavianTi upiratesoba eb-

raelebs dauTmes, viTom qalde-

velma mogvebma ebraelTa msof-

lio batonoba iwinaswarmetyve-

les da amitom mTeli qaldeu-

ri sibrZne da nawerni maT ga-

dasces da maT dauTmes, viTom

babilonis mier mTeli ebraeli

eris tyved wasxma amisTvis mo-

awyves, da a. S. q-n deniza sum-

baZes Tavis kvlevaSi sruliad

sapirispiro Tvalsazrisebi aqvs

warmodgenili. es Tvalsazrise-

bi dRevandeli qarTveli eris

winapari xalxis, qaldevelebis

Rirsebisa da damsaxurebis wa-

mowevisa, dRevandeli qarTveli

eris fenomenaluri raobis Rir-

sebisa da damsaxurebis wamowe-

vasac niSnavs. da sruliad une-

burad, yovelgvari politikuri

mizandasaxulobis gareSe, SeiZ-

leba Tavisuflad iTqvas, RvTis

gangebiT, q-ni deniza sumbaZe

mSobliuri xalxis istoriul

warsulSi CaRrmavebiT, rogorc

WeSmaritebis maZiebeli Semmec-

nebeli, veraviTar SemTxvevaSi

ver auvlis gverds qarTvelTa

winapari qaldeveli xalxisa da

ebraeli xalxis istoriuli

urTierTmimarTebis Sefasebas,

im urTierTmimarTebis istori-

as, romelsac , faqtiurad

mTlianad moicavs kacobriobis

istoriis iseTi kompetenturi

wminda wigni, rogoric bibliaa.

biblia faqtiurad es aris qar-

TvelTa da ebraelTa urTierT-

mimarTebis qristeswinare isto-

ria, romelic gasaidumloebu-

lia mTeli kacobriobisaTvis

swored qaldevelTa da qarT-

velTa istoriuli igiveobrio-

bis miCqmalviT. da am miCqmalu-

li mimarTebis Cveneuli Semec-

neba - Sefaseba da yovelive amis

wamoweva Cveni erovnuli cnobi-

erebis WrilSi, qaldevelTa

upiratesobisa da ebraeli eris

danaSaulebrivi istoriis mxi-

leba qaldevelTa mimarT, gvix-

deba im dros, roca ebraeli

xalxi msoflio asparezze ga-

modis, rogorc pretendenti

msoflios axali imperiis Seqm-

nisa da msoflios marTvis. ro-

ca ruseTis udidesi imperiis

daSla xorcieldeba ebraul-ma-

sonuri „perestroikis“ gziT,

xolo „evropis kavSiri“ iqmne-

ba evropis qveynebis ebraul-ma-

sonuri gaerTianebiT. ufro me-

ti: roca ebrael xalxs, mopo-

vebuli aqvs iseTi didi zesa-

xelmwifos mfarveloba,

rogoric amerikis SeerTe-

buli Statebia, mopovebuli

aqvs msoflio xalxebis Ta-

nadgoma, rogorc usamarT-

lod devnilsa da wamebul

ers, da nebismieri adamianu-

ri, gnebavT mecnieruli

kritikuli damokidebule-

bac ki SeiZleba Sefasdes

rogorc antisemitizmi, mo-

povebuli aqvs msoflios

finansuri kapitali da gav-

lena TiTqmis planetarul

saxelmwifoebriv kontigen-

tze, da rac mTavaria, Cveni,

qarTveli xalxis damouki-

debeli saxelmwifo manqana

xelSi aqvs Cagdebuli: rad-

ganac manqanis saWesTan e. w.

„Tavisuflebis instituti“,

anu didi sionisti „jorj

sorosi“ zis, qarTveli

xalxisave arCeuli...

da miuxedavad yovelive

zemoTqmulisa, informaciu-

li gasxivosneba qarTveli xal-

xis cnobierebisa, da realuri

aRqma dRevandeli realobisa,

rogorc istoriuli Sedegi eb-

rael masonTagan sinamdvilis

damalvisa da qarTveli xalxis

momwyvdevisa saxelmwifo damo-

ukideblobis ideiT motyuebis

gziT ebraul-masonur alyaSi,

ganaTeba qarTuli gonisa am um-

Zimesi WeSmaritebis codniT, mi-

si erovnuli Rirsebis Seu-

racxmyofeli ideologiis ga-

ucnobierebeli miRebiT, Cemi

rwmeniT, iqneba TviTgamorkveva

Cveni gansacdelis raobis, al-

baT Tavzardamcemic, magram ar-

naxuli Zalis momniWebelic,

Cveni erovnuli Rirsebis dasa-

cavad da warmosaCenad, qarTve-

li eris erovnuli meobis, misi

keTilSobiluri TviTmyofado-

bis gasabrwyineblad, ebraul-ma-

sonuri msoflios axali wesri-

gis sibnelidan kacobriobis

gzis gasanaTeblad da gamosayva-

nad.

„vai me! xizani var meSeqi-

sa!“, godebs daviT winaswar-

metyvelis saxeliT ebraeli av-

tori 120-e fsalmunisa. bible-

istikaSi aRiarebulia, rom es

fsalmuni babilonis tyveobis

dros aris Seqmnili da „meSeq-

ni“ babilonelebi arian. fsal-

munis am striqoniT babilone-

lebi anu qaldevelebi moixseni-

ebian mesxebadac, rameTu meSeq-

ni,bibliuri warmoTqmiT, arian

14 gv.

14 #1, 21 ianvari, 2014 w.

igive „mesxni“, sisxlxorceuli

winaprebi qarTveli xalxisa,

Tanamedrove da dResac cocxa-

li mesxuri tomebisa.

babilonis tyveoba iyo re-

vanSi qaldeuri didi upirate-

sobis grZnobisa ebraelTa mi-

marT. babilonelma, anu qalde-

velma mogvebma ebraelTa momava-

li ki ar iwinaswarmetyveles,

aramed qristes movlineba iwi-

naswarmetyveles, da pirvelebic

Cavidnen ierusalimSi varskvla-

vis gziT qristesSobis saxareb-

lad da mesiis Tayvanissacemad

beTlems. rac namdvilad ar niS-

navda ebraelTa upirobo moma-

vals. qristes vermiwvdomiT

maT, ebraelebma dakarges isic,

rac hqondaT da rac miecaT

RvTisagan: SesaZlebloba, Sansi

qristes aRiarebisa sakuTari

sjulis dasasrulad da dag-

virgvinebad, rogorc amas pavle

mociquli ganmartavs. qalde-

velTa sibrZnis memkvidreni da

WeSmariti mflobelni rom yo-

filiyvnen ebraelebi, maSin

jvarze ki ar gaakravdnen qris-

tes, aramed TviTon iqnebodnen

„mesiis maxvilni“.“mesiis max-

vilni“ RvTiuri wilxvedriT

istoriulad aRmoCndnen qarT-

velni, qaldevelTa sisxlxor-

ceuli memkvidreni, romelTac

sakuTari qristianuli istori-

is oriaTaswleulis manZilze

Rirseulad aRasrules TavianTi

misia „mesiis maxvilisa“ da

Rirseulad daimkvidres wode-

ba“Tavisi ufaliviT jvarcmuli

eris“. es wodeba mxolod qarT-

veli eris kuTvnilebaa.

diax! Cven namdvilad migvaC-

nia, rom qristianoba zogad-

qaldeuri movlenaa. rom qris-

tes movlinebac da qristianu-

li moZRvrebis dabadebac, es

iyo qaldeuri cnobierebis

vulkanuri amoxeTqva iudeaSi,

da qaldeuri cnobierebis saka-

cobrio gamarjveba. q-n deniza

sumbaZis Teologiur kvlevaSi

gaiSifra isic, rom qristesSo-

bis maxaroblebica da qristes-

jvarcmis Wirisuflebic qalde-

veli mogvebi arian:pirvelni

„aRmosavleTidan“ Casulni ie-

rusalimis beTlems, xolo meo-

reni, Casulni ierusalims-

mcxeTidan... es ki namdvilad

Tavzardamcemi saidumloa ka-

cobriobisa, romelic TviT ar-

qimandritma petre soliarski-

mac ar icis(ix. gazeTi: „ive-

ria“,2003 wlis dekemberi, niu

iorki, Jurnali: „literatura

da xelovneba“, redaqtori vaJa

oTaraSvili, 2005 w.#2, deni-

za sumbaZe: „ giorgi mTawminde-

lis winaswarmetyveleba qarT-

veli eris Sesaxeb“, 2012 weli,

Tsu areopagituli samecniero

centri).

eekklleessiiuurrii

`̀xxeelliisskkvvrraa~~ ddaa

eerroovvnnuull-mmeeccnniieerruullii

TTvvaallssaazzrriisseebbiiss

ggaaZZeevveebbaa

dRevandeli gadasaxedidan,

CemTvis ukve sruliad axal in-

terpretacias da mniSvnelobas

iZens Cemi ganTavisuflebis aqti

saqarTvelos sapatriarqos pat-

rolog-referentis Tanamdebobi-

dan swored 1990 wels. swored

dRevandeli gadasaxedidan xdeba

naTeli, rom am droisaTvis uk-

ve dokumenturad aris saxeze

pro-sionisturi tendenciebis

danergvis mcdeloba sakuTriv

qarTul samecniero kvlevebSi.

1990 wels, camowmendilze Cemi

gaTavisufleba sapatriarqos

patrolog-referentis Tanamde-

bobidan es ukve Cemi meore ga-

Tavisuflebaa eklesiuri msaxu-

rebidan , didxans auxsnelad

darCenili CemTvis. amjerad, Ce-

mi am meore gaTavisuflebis

konkretuli safuZveli xdeba

Jurnal „xelovnebaSi“ gamoqvey-

neba radio - gadacemebad gaxma-

urebuli Cemi samecniero naSro-

misa: “midmogonebani... dedaTa

monasterze, anu rusTavelisa

da anton kaTalikosis msoflm-

xedvelobrivi urTierTmimarTe-

ba“. saqarTvelos patriarqis ,

misi uwmidesobis, ilia meoris

mier iwereba brZaneba Cemi gaTa-

visuflebisa, Cemi yovelgvari

saqmis kursSi Seyvanis gareSe

da misi uwmidesobis kurTxeviT

saqarTvelos sapatriarqos sa-

xeliT igzavneba werili Jur-

nal „xelovnebis“ redaqtorTan,

b-n nodar gurabaniZesTan sa-

uwyeblad imisa, rom Jurnal

„xelovnebaSi“ gamoqveynebuli

naSromis - „midmogonebani... de-

daTa monasterze, anu rusTave-

lisa da anton kaTalikosis

msoflmxedvelobrivi urTierT-

mimarTebisaTvis“ - avtoris Se-

xedulebebs sapatriarqo ar

iziarebs. amavdroulad b-n gu-

rabaniZes eZleva davaleba, rom

es uwyeba gamoqveyndes Jurnal

„xelovnebaSi“ sapatriarqos

gancxadebis saxiT. rodesac mTe-

li es informacia Cemamde moi-

tanes axloblebma, CemTvis es

imdenad daujerebeli iyo, rom

TviT sapatriarqos imdroinde-

li mdivani, daviT ciskariSvi-

li, visi xeliTac sapatriarqos

saxeliT gancxadeba iqna mitani-

li b-n nodar gurabaniZesTan,

ver majerebda, rom es yvelafe-

ri marTali iyo da misi uwmin-

desobis locva-kurTxeviT

sruldeboda. saqarTvelos pat-

riarqis TanaSemwe, q-ni S. TeT-

ruaSvili, romelic organiza-

torobda Cems gaTavisuflebas

sapatriarqos patrologis Ta-

namdebobidan, uceb daufaravad

micxadebs, rom igi aRSfoTebu-

lia Cemi naSromiT. saqmis gasar-

kvevad misulma patriarqisagan

isic Sevityve, rom Turme mTe-

li qalaqi yofila ajanyebuli

Cemi naSromis mimarT, anu Cemi

radio - gadacemebiT, romelic

Jurnal „xelovnebaSi“ , Jurna-

lis redaqtoris miwveviT, ga-

moqveynebis procesSi iyo, da,

rac mTavaria, yvelaferi Turme

iqidan dawyebula, rom piradad

patriarqis mdivani- qalbatoni,

misi aRmatebuli wminda Teolo-

giur - dogmaturi azrovneba

mosula aRSfoTebaSi. rogorc

piradad ganmicxada, me Cemi naS-

romiT Seuracxofa mimiyenebia

eklesiisaTvis da piradad misT-

vis. miWirs, pativcemulo mkiTx-

velo, es wlebiT daTmenili

ubedureba gagimxiloT. miWirs

gagiziaroT, raoden gaognebuli

TviTmxilveli gaxldiT CemTvis

warmoudgneli realobisa: q-n

TeTruaSvilis azri Cems naS-

romze misi uwmindesobisaTvis

saeklesio kanonis mniSvnelobi-

sa iyo... Cemi Tavzardacemuli

aRSfoTebis dafarva ki imdenad

SeuZlebeli iyo Cemgan misi uw-

mindesobis winaSe,, rom misi uw-

mindesoba iZulebuli aRmoCnda

Cemi ganTavisufleba sapatriar-

qos patrologis Tanamdebobidan

mcire xniT Seeyovnebina da re-

daqciaSi gagzavnili gancxade-

bac SeeCerebina, magram es dayov-

neba didad ar gaWianurebula.

erT mSvenier dRes, erTmaneTis

gverdigverd mdgomare Tavad

patriarqisa da misi TanaSemwis,

q-n TeTruaSvilis mier erTob-

livad meuwya, yovelgvari axsna-

ganmartebis gareSe, rom saxel-

Sekrulebo samuSaoze viyavi ga-

dayvanili, anu ganTavisuflebu-

li viyavi saqarTvelos patri-

arqis patrolog-referentis

Tanamdebobidan...

-„Tqven arafers ar akeTebT

Tqveni Rirsebis dasacavad... fi-

losofiurad cxovrobT. erTxe-

lac ar dagirekiaT CemTvis“ -

meubneba 1974 wlis papanaqeba

zafxulis erT mSvenier dRes,

cnobili mwerali da mkvlevari,

b-ni akaki gawerelia, sruliad

moulodnelad Sexvedrili

zRvis piras, liZavaSi, gamsa-

xurdiebis agarakis win. batoni

akaki marto ar iyo. viRac axl-

da. ver gavige, ras meubneboda:

“-mapatieT, b-no akaki, magram

ver gavige, ratom unda damere-

ka-meTqi TqvenTvis“.

-„rogor, Tqven ar iciT,

rom Tqveni Sromis recenzireba

cekadan me damevala? Tqveni gan-

Tavisuflebis sakiTxi dgas fi-

losofiis institutidan. diax.

me ukve gadaveci Cemi recenzia.

Cems biografiaSi amas rogor

Cavwerdi, rom deniza sumbaZe

Cemi recenziiT moexsnaT filo-

sofiis institutidan. „aseT

kadrebs gafrTxileba undaT“.-

meTqi. minda icodeT, ase Tavde-

ba Cemi recenzia.“

saqme im drois sazogadoeba-

Si gaxmaurebul Cem Sromas exe-

boda:“ dionise areopageli da

dante aligieri“, romelic sa-

qarTvelos mecnierebaTa akade-

miis Jurnal “macneSi“ gamoqvey-

nda. xelisuflebis SeSfoTeba

Cemi, rogorc Sromis avtoris

religiuri azrovnebiT iyo ga-

mowveuli da dRes SemiZlia

gulwrfelad vTqva, rom xeli-

suflebas namdvilad hqonda

amis safuZveli, magram arsebob-

dnen adamianebi, romlebic gi-

cavdnen da gifrTxildebodnen...

qarTuli sazogadoebriobi-

saTvis cnobilia, rom 1979-80

wlebSi locva-kurTxeva momeca

misi uwmindesobis, saqarTvelos

patriarqisagan, rom rogorc

saqarTvelos mecnierebaTa aka-

demiis filosofiis institu-

tis mecniers mcxeTis sasulie-

ro seminariaSi wamekiTxa leq-

ciebis kursi Temaze: qristia-

nuli Teologiis berZnul fi-

losofiuri safuZvlebi, risT-

visac filosofiis institutis

xelmZRvanelobam institutis

datoveba moiTxova Cemgan, ro-

gorc Cans, xelisuflebis dava-

lebiT, radgan im drois xeli-

suflebis pirveli piris, Se-

vardnaZis TanaSemwis, b-n lado

alfeniZisagan keTilismyofeli

rCeviT, Tu am nabijisaTvis mo-

naniebis ganacxads ar davwerdi

SevardnaZis saxelze, amoqmed-

deboda Cems winaaRmdeg saxelm-

wifo manqana da Cemi pirovnebis-

gan aRaraferi ar darCeboda...

Cemi bedisweriT, Tu RvTis gan-

gebiT, me unda menaxa yvelaze

saSineli saxe am manqanis... ek-

lesiiT SeniRbuli manqanis. va-

Riareb, rom Cems gamokvlevas, „

midmogonebani dedaTa monaster-

ze, anu rusTavelisa da anton

kaTalikosis msoflmxedvelob-

rivi urTierTmimarTebisaTvis“,

romelzedac zemoT mogaxseneT,

samecniero Sromis pretenzia

aqvs da sruliad calke dgas

amJamindeli eklesiuri dogma-

tebisagan, magram es „calke

yofna“ niSnavs dogmatebSi CaR-

rmavebas da eklesiis udidesi

mamebis mier mopovebuli Teo-

logiuri principebis amokiTx-

vas axali rakursebiT. Cemi mi-

zani , rusTavelisa da anton

kaTalikosis msoflmxedvelob-

rivi urTierTmimarTebis kvle-

vaSi, arc iyo, gamesamarTlebina

an rusTaveli, an anton kaTali-

kosi. Cemi mizani iyo amexsna

qarTul istoriografiaSi ukve

cnobili am dapirispirebis mi-

zezi da safuZveli da gameana-

lizebina Sesabamisoba TviTeu-

li mxarisa erovnul principeb-

Tan. am TvalsazrisiT dResac

mimaCnia rom rusTaveli ufro

erovnulic aris da ufro ax-

losac dgas qristesTan, vinem

eklesiuri dogmatebi, romleb-

Sic Zalze didia gavlena iuda-

izmisa. Rrmad darwmunebuli

var, mesame aTaswleuliT msof-

lio qristianoba warimarTeba

rusTveluri qristianobis

gziT. saWirod da sainteresod

mimaCnia aRvniSno, rom wlebis

Semdeg, saqarTvelos eklesia

mowameTeli moZRvris, mama gi-

orgi basilaZis qadagebebiT

iwyebs rusTavelis „vefxistya-

osnis“ eklesiuri suliskveTe-

biT warmoCenas, ris gamoc ga-

urkvevlobaSi Cavardnili cno-

bili Jurnalisti, eTer kasre-

liSvili, am da kidev sxva, Za-

lian Cemeuli problemebis irg-

vliv intervius iRebs Cemgan da

ganmartebas iTxovs Cemgan: ro-

gor xdeba, rom is sakiTxebi,

romlebzedac me wlebis win

mecnierebis enaze vsaubrobdi,

da miuRebelic gaxldiT Cemi

TvalTaxedvebis gamo, amjerad

Sig eklesiaSi, amasTan esoden

gaxmaurebuli moZRvris, mowame-

Teli mama giorgi basilaZis sa-

jaro qadagebaTa Temebi xdebian,

imave mimarTulebiTa da imave

suliskveTebiT gaazrebulni?!

(ix. danarTi:eTer kasreliSvi-

lis interviu...) magram esec ar

aris mTavari Cems winaaRmdeg

organizebul TavdasxmaSi. Cems

gamokvlevaSi wamoyenebul yve-

la problemaze gverdis avliT

Cemi mTavari bralmdeblis, sa-

patriarqos Teologiuri met-

ris, q-n TeTruaSvilis mier sa-

gangaSod reklamirebuli aRmoC-

nda Cemeuli qadageba deda uf-

lisa, rogorc suliwmindis pi-

rovnuli Sinaarsis. dRevandeli

gadasaxedidan, Cems TvalSi, es

faqti usaTuod imsaxurebs sa-

gangebo yuradRebas, radgan Ce-

meuli gageba dedauflisa, ro-

gorc suliwmindis dedurobisa,

amasTan yvela Cems naSromSi,

qristianobas radikalurad mi-

jnavs Zveli aRTqmisagan da iu-

deuri Teologiisagan:

„qristianulma Teologiam

- vwer zemoT miTiTebul Cems

naSromSi:“midmogonebani... deda-

Ta monasterze, anu rusTaveli-

sa da anton kaTalikosis msof-

lmxedvelobrivi urTierTmimar-

TebisaTvis“ - adamianurma Se-

mecnebam im civilizaciisam, ro-

melSic Cven vimyofebiT, zeca-

Sive CaaxSo da dafara deduro-

ba suliwminduri sawyisisa, da-

fara pirovnuloba dedurobisa

misi zepirovnuli arsis gamo,

riTac mamaRmerTi, viTarca Se-

moqmedi qveynierebisa, datova

zecaSi marto, armesaWiroe

qveynierebis SeqmnaSi deduri

sawyisis Tanxlebisa da Tanamo-

nawileobisa. (maSin rodesac)

qveyanaze ar arsebobs dedoba

umamobod da mamoba udedobod,

magram iudeuri RvTismetyvele-

biT, arsebobs. iudeuri RvTis-

metyvelebiT ideali dedur-ma-

muri qveynierebis Semoqmedisa

aris marto mama. qveynierebas

Tavisi gamCeni deda ara hyavs.

da am ganmartoebuli yofiT ma-

muri sawyisisa, viTarca mamaR-

merTis, qristianobam, suliwmi-

dis dedurobis axsnis gareSe,

niSnavs, rom zecaSive dauSva

ideali dedakacisa da mamakacis

gancalkevebis. zecaSive ganxeT-

qa uReli maTi ganuyofeli er-

Tad yofnisa da siyvarulis Se-

moqmedebiT Zalad gancdis. sam-

yaros Seqmnisa da qveynierebis

marTvis uRelSi Seaba ganmar-

toebuli, „mowyenili adami“,

sakuTar meore naxevars CamoW-

rili da daWirvebuli, da ver

mixvda, rom amiT gansacdelSi

Caagdo qveynierebaca da adamic,

romelic RmerTma qveynierebi-

saTvis evasTan ganuyrelad Seq-

mna. ase dakarga qristianobam

ukve Tavisi msoflmxedvelobis

dasawyisSive, Tavis zeciur id-

ealSive, adamisa da evas siyva-

ruli....“ (gv.29)

(gagrZeleba Semdeg nomerSi)

13 gv.

SekveTili masala. narkvevSi

gamoTqmul mosazrebebze da faqtebis

sisworeze pasuxismgebelia avtori

saqarTvelo da qarTuli eklesia

apokalifsis karibWesTan

15#1, 21 ianvari, 2014 w.

viqtor saneevis pirveli

oficialuri Sejibreba, rom-

liTac daiwyo misi profesiu-

li sportuli kariera, gza

olimpiuri kvarcxlbekisaken,

1962 wlis soxumis student-

Ta turniri iyo. mas Semdeg

uamrav sarbielze gamovida,

vidre sabWoTa kavSiris spor-

tis ostati gaxdeboda. gza-

dagza pirad rekordebs amya-

rebda, magram...

erTxans sportisTvis Ta-

vis danebebac undoda, radgan

mZime travmam formis aRdgenis

saSualeba ar misca. ise daebe-

da, rom yvela sapasuxismgeb-

lo Sejibris win, gansakuTre-

biT ki olimpiadebze, mas yo-

velTvis Tavs axsenebda trav-

mebi:

òlimpiuri TamaSebis

dawyebamde srulad janmrTe-

li da startisTvis fiziku-

rad srulfasovani arasdros

vyofilvar. miuxedavad yve-

lafrisa, ubednieresi kaci

var _ sayvarel saxeobaSi yve-

la ocneba avixdine!~

oc welze meti

profesiul

sportSi

sportul asparezo-

bebs orwliani iZulebi-

Ti Sesvenebis Semdeg,

1967 wels daubrunda.

`mec da Cemi mwvrTne-

lic usaSvelod vRe-

lavdiT, Tu rogor da-

vubrundebodi saxtom

seqtors. yoveli trav-

ma, miT ufro iseTi mZi-

me, rogoric me mqonda

(koW-wwvivis saxsris,

terfis madeformirebe-

li arTrozi), fsiqo-

logiuri travmac ar-

is...~

pirveli Sejibreba

warmatebiT daasrula

da im wels imden tur-

nirSi miiRo monawileo-

ba da iseTi SedegebiT daasru-

la, rom saerTaSoriso kla-

sis sportis ostati gaxda da

sabWoTa kavSiris nakrebSic

aiyvanes.

viqtor saneevisTvis yvela-

ze mniSvnelovani aRmoCnda

swored 1967 weli _ mexikos

1968 wlis winasaolimpiado

samzadisis periodi, romelmac

sportuli xasiaTic Camouya-

liba da mexikos olimpiadis-

ken gzac gaukvala. kidev sam

olimpiadaSi miiRebs monawi-

leobas, zedized samjer gax-

deba sami olimpiadis Cempioni,

yvela asparezobas daZabuli

paeqrobis Semdeg moigebs, mag-

ram SekiTxvaze, romelia maT

Soris misTvis yvelaze didi

warmateba, ambobs:

`mexikos olimpiur Tama-

SebSi gamarjveba. karieris

ganmavlobaSi samxtomelTa bi-

likze yvelaze didi, uSeRava-

To da mZafri brZola swored

iq gadavitane. 17 metri da 39

santimetri gadavlaxe da Cem-

pionobasTan erTad msoflio

rekordsmenis tituli movi-

pove. maxsovs, saxtom bilik-

ze, haerSi SevamCnie, rom re-

kordis aRmniSvnel alams gav-

cdi. qviSaSi amosvrili vfiq-

robdi, nuTu gavimarjve-mmeTqi.

es iyo namdvili sportuli

feierverki, marto is rad

Rirs, rom im paeqrobis dros

5-jjer damyarda msoflio re-

kordi! oqros rekordiT movi-

ge!~

sporti yovelTvis did si-

xarulsa da siamovnebas ani-

Webda. mxolod gamarjvebisT-

vis ibrZoda, Tumca yoveli

axali gamarjveba winaze Zne-

lad modioda. materialur ke-

TildReobaze arasdros uoc-

nebia, yovelTvis sportuli

Sedegebi iyo misTvis mTavari.

gamarjvebebis Semdeg kvarcx-

lbekidan Camodioda da moma-

val asparezobaze fiqrs

iwyebda.

`miunxenis olimpiadis win

gunebaSi axali msoflio re-

kordis damyarebaze vfiqrob-

di, magram gazafxulze pir-

velsave saerTaSoriso Sejib-

rebaze kvlav miRalata fexma.

win uamravi turniri iyo, mo-

gebaze vinRa fiqrobda. travma

_ ai, ra mqonda safiqrali...

olimpiadis sagzuri mqonda,

mis dawyebamde ki Tveze odnav

meti rCeboda...~

ruseTSi nakrebis Sekreba-

ze myofma moulodneli ga-

dawyvetileba miiRo: `Sin un-

da gavemgzavro, dedasTan,

zRvasTan, mTebTan...~ da so-

xumSi dabrunda, mwvrTnels ki

SeuTvala, Tu yvelaferi kar-

gad iqneba, winasaolimpiado

Sekrebaze ori dRiT adre Ca-

moval, Tu arada, nuRar dame-

lodebiTo.

àxlac ver getyviT zus-

tad, ram miSvela yvelaze uf-

ro: dedis saswaulmoqmedma

malamom, srulad dasvenebam

Tu moSuSebulma travmam, mag-

ram oriode kviraSi, romelic

me soxumSi gavatare, vigrZeni,

rom wesrigSi viyavi. fexi

cot-ccota, ra Tqma unda,

mtkioda, magram msgavs tki-

vils SeCveuli viyavi. moskov-

Si rom davbrundi, mwvrTnel-

ma mkiTxa, rogor xaro, vupa-

suxe, mSobliuri soxumis mi-

wis madlma ganmkurna-mmeTqi~.

1972 wels miunxenSic Se-

upovrad ibrZola, marTalia,

rekordi ver daamyara, Tumca

samxtomis istoriaSi mesame

Sedegi _ 17 m da 35 sm aCve-

na da olimpiadis oqros meda-

li moipova. am gamarjvebisT-

vis viqtor saneevs leninis

ordeni gadaeca.

`kremlSi ordenis gadmo-

cemisas piroba davde, rom yve-

lafers gavakeTebdi monrea-

lis olimpiadaSi warmatebis

misaRwevad~.

* * *

msoflio rekordi mSobli-

ur soxumSi, misive saxelobis

Tasis gaTamaSebaze 1972 wlis

17 oqtombers daamyara _

17,44 m. Jurnalistebis gamo-

nagons uwodebs im dros gav-

rcelebul informacias, TiT-

qos es iyo misi saqorwilo

saCuqari axalSerTuli meuR-

lisTvis _ Tbilisis samedi-

cino institutis studentis,

afxazi tatiana xvarwkiasTvis,

romelTanac am rekordis dam-

yarebamde ori dRiT adre

iqorwina da maTi daojaxeba

didi qorwiliTac aRiniSna.

`rogor SeiZleba aseTi

ram _ vinmes uTxra, ai, axla

gadavxtebi da msoflio re-

kords davamyarebo. es SeuZ-

lebelia~.

* * *

1976 wels monrealSi me-

samed gaxda olimpiuri Cempi-

oni, magram SedegiT (17,29 m)

mainc ukmayofilo iyo _ ad-

rindeli maCvenebeli ver gaa-

umjobesa. miuxedavad amisa,

igi mesame mZleosani gaxda

sportis istoriaSi, romel-

mac zedized sam olimpiadaSi

moipova olimpiuri Cempionis

tituli.

olimpiuri TamaSebis Sem-

deg saukeTeso sportul for-

maSi iyo da axal msoflio re-

kordze fiqrobda, roca fexze

operacia dasWirda. ramdenime

TveSi varjiSs daubrunda da

TbilisSi gamarTul sabWoTa

kavSiris Cempionatze meeqvsed

gaxda qveynis Cempioni.

`dRes ufro metad vRelav-

di, radgan ar mindoda Tavi

Semercxvina Cemi qalaqis gul-

SematkivarTa winaSe, romle-

bic ase mtkivneulad ganicdi-

an Tavisianis warumateblobas.

Zalian moxaruli var, rom

isini ar gavawbile~, _ ga-

nacxada viqtor saneevma am as-

parezobis Semdeg.

amave wels gardaecvala

deda. roca misi gardacvale-

bis ambavi Seatyobines, mTeli

Rame TeTrad gaaTena:

saqarTvelos diasporis saministros

da `saerTo gazeTis~ erToblivi proeqti

k�ci, romelic oTxi

cxovrebiT cxovrobs

90-iiani wlebis dasawyisSi, roca qveyanaSi situacia ukiduresad daZabuli iyo, dauZaxes,

kerZo kolejSi fizkulturis maswavleblobisTvis `mefuri~ xelfasi _ 900 dolari SesTa-

vazes. mas sxva arCevani ar hqonia da 15 wlis vaJTan da meuRlesTan erTad saqarTvelodan

wavida.

ase aRmoCnda avstraliaSi viqtor saneevi _ mexikos, miunxenis, monrealis olimpiadebis

Cempioni da moskovis olimpiadis vercxlis priziori, orjer evropis, rvajer sabWoTa kav-

Siris Cempioni da samgzis msoflio rekordsmeni samxtomSi. mas Semdeg, ukve oc welze me-

tia, sidneiSi cxovrobs da Tavis mdidar sportul gamocdilebas avstraliel mozardebs

uziarebs, cdilobs, maT Soris moZebnos iseTebi, romlebsac ganebivrebuli cxovreba xels ar

SeuSliT, sportSi TavianTi SesaZleblobebis realizacia dainaxon. jerjerobiT, aseTs mxo-

lod erTaderTs miagno, romelsac kargi sportuli Sedegebi hqonda, magram xasiaTis simt-

kice ar eyo, samxtoms Tavi daaneba da ioli cxovreba arCia: àr undaT da mokali Tu gin-

da! iq midian, sadac ufro meti fuli iSoveba~, _ ambobs imedgacruebuli viqtor saneevi.

àxla meoTxe cxovrebiT vcxovrob. jer iyo cxovreba did sportamde, Semdeg oc welze

meti profesiul sportSi viyavi, moskovis olimpiadis mere egreT wodebuli sabWouri cxov-

reba mqonda, axla ki avstraliuri~.

qarTvelebi sazRvargareT

16 gv.

16 #1, 21 ianvari, 2014 w.

`dedaze vfiqrobdi. gavix-

sene, rogor gamacila mexi-

koSi 1968 wels. ver eguebo-

da Cems Soreul mgzavrobebs.

iSviaTad midioda soxumidan

da ra gasakviria, rom meqsi-

ka cxra mTas iqiT eCvenebo-

da...

vixsenebdi, rogor zrunav-

da, rom Sin yvelaferi wes-

rigSi yofiliyo. instituti-

dan Tu stadionidan dabrune-

buls, yvelanairad miwyobda

xels, rom kargad damesvena...

miwesrigebda sportul for-

mas _ deda yoveldRe recxav-

da da miuToebda, miuxedavad

imisa, rom xSirad arc iyo sa-

Wiro... mas surda, stadionze

misi Svili ara marto yvela-

ze Zlieri, aramed yvelaze

movlili, yvelaze sufTa da

yvelaze lamazi yofiliyo! ra

energias xarjavda gemrieli

wvenebis, naxarSebis, kompote-

bis, murabebis momzadebaSi! ax-

lac Tvalwin midgas, rogor

itanjeboda CemTan erTad, ro-

ca travmas viSuSebdi. maxsen-

deba misi balaxebi, nayenebi,

sveli safenebi, kompresebi...

saaTze daxedva ar mWirdebo-

da: dedas arasdros aviwyde-

boda CemTvis saxvevis gamocv-

la, wamlis daleva, masaJis

gakeTebis Sexseneba... erT

mSvenier dRes deda wavida.

samudamod. yvelaze metad de-

da maklia~.

mdgomareobidan Tavis daR-

weva isev SromiT scada, isev

biliks daubrunda. win xom

kidev erTi olimpiada iyo, am-

jerad _ moskovSi.

sabWoTa nakrebis xelmZRva-

neloba moskovis olimpiadaze

viqtor saneevis gamosvlas

sportul sarbielze ar geg-

mavda.

àravis sjeroda Cemi. sab-

WoTa sportis mesveurebi fiq-

robdnen, rom asakis gamo San-

si ar mqonda. ise, maRalCinos-

nebs arc gaemtyunebaT _ 35

wlisas meoTxe olimpiur oq-

roze rom gqondes pretenzia,

Tanac, faqtobrivad, xeibar

kacs, amis warmodgenac ki Zne-

lia, miT umetes, samxtomSi~.

gadawyvites, rom saneevis

monawileoba olimpiur Tama-

SebSi olimpiuri CiraRdnis

stadionze SetaniT amoiwure-

boda, magram mogvianebiT

mwvrTnelTa sabWom ndoba ga-

moucxada. rogorc batoni

viqtori ixsenebs, 1980 wlis

olimpiadaSi monawileoba di-

dad ganapiroba imanac, rom sa-

qarTvelos warmoadgenda da

respublikis yvela donis

xelmZRvaneli dainteresebuli

iyo TamaSebSi misi monawile-

obiT.

`TamaSebis gaxsnis dRes

stadionze olimpiuri CiraR-

dani unda Semometana da meo-

re olimpiuri CempionisTvis,

kalaTburTel sergei belo-

visTvis gadameca. ver warmo-

idgenT, ra Zalasa da sulier

mRelvarebas iTxovs es nebis-

mierisgan. es didi pativicaa

da didi pasuxismgeblobac. Ce-

mi yoveli nabiji da gulisce-

ma maxsovs. gaazreba imisa, rom

am wmindaTawminda cecxliT

morbixar asi aTasi mayureb-

lis, msoflios saukeTeso

sportsmenTa Tvalwin, Sen Se-

mogcqeris yvela kontinentze

mcxovrebi miliardi sportis

moyvaruli, ganucdel da

sityviT aRuwerel grZnobas

badebs _ rom aseTi mniSvne-

lovani movlenis monawile

xar. rodesac sergeis CiraR-

dani gadaveci, iseTive gancda

dameufla, rogoric ukanaskne-

li naxtomis Semdeg mexikoSi.

serioJac ukiduresad daZabu-

li iyo. CiraRdanTan erTad

Cemi TiTebic CabRuja da xeli

veRar gaSala. es Seferxeba

aravis SeumCnevia... kidev kar-

gi, Cemi gamosvla eqvsi dRis

Semdeg iyo da aseTi mRelva-

rebis Semdeg Zalebis aRdgenas

movaxerxebdi~.

is, rac moskovis olimpia-

daze viqtor saneevis aspare-

zobisas moxda, sportul

JurnalistTa erTma nawilma

Seafasa, rogorc `kremlis

SeTqmuleba~ samxtomelis wi-

naaRmdeg.

viqtor saneevs SeeZlo

oTxgzis olimpiuri Cempioni

gamxdariyo, magram amis Sansi

waarTves. saneevis gamosvlis

dros iseTi pirqari iyo, rom

morbenalTa Sejibri gadades,

viqtors ki mainc mouwia nax-

tomebis Sesruleba. stadion-

ze Sekrebil mayurebels arc

is gamohparviaT, rom esto-

nels, romelic saneevze adre

gamovida saasparezod, msajeb-

ma ramdenime santimetri miuma-

tes. sabWoTa da msoflio

sportis legendas mxolod

meore adgili àrgunes~, es-

toneli sportsmeni ki Cempio-

nad `daniSnes~.

ìak uudmiaes brali ar

aris, rom viRac uRirsma mo-

xeleebma misi naxtomis gazom-

visas ramdenime santimetri

aCuqes. moskovis olimpiadis

Cempioni samxtomSi me unda

vyofiliyavi. did sportSi

mxolod niWis amara ver iqne-

bi. ar unda gezarebodes var-

jiSi, ar unda gqondes wagebis

kompleqsi. yvelaze damRupve-

li ki Seni wagebis sxvisTvis

gadabralebaa~.

`bolo cdaze qari rom

ara, saneevi gaimarjvebda.

17,24 saSineli pirqaris pi-

robebSi aCvena. wynar amin-

dSi misi Sedegi 17,40-

17,50 iqneboda da igi dam-

saxurebulad gaimarjveb-

da~, _ es sityvebi mis me-

toqes da olimpiadis `Za-

lad Cempion~ uudmiaes

ekuTvnis. sxvaTa Soris,

dajildoebisas man saneev-

sa da brinjaos priziors

sTxova, kvarcxlbekis

umaRles safexurze masTan

erTad damdgariyvnen.

es iyo viqtor saneevis

olimpiuri vercxli, ro-

melsac sworedac rom oq-

ros fasi edo.

olimpiuri TamaSebis

saukunovan iubilesTan da-

kavSirebiT, amerikaSi ga-

moica wigni òlimpiuri

istoriis asi udidesi mo-

menti~. am aseulSi Setani-

lia oTx olimpiadaze sa-

neevis gamosvlis epizode-

bic.

sabWouri cxovreba

moskovis olimpiadis

Semdeg da...

avstraliaSi

icoda, rom moskovis

olimpiadis Semdeg aqtiur

sports Tavs daanebebda. sru-

liad moulodneli aRmoCnda,

roca TamaSebis Semdeg sabWo-

Ta kavSiris sportkomitetma

viqtor saneevs depeSiT Se-

atyobina, rom `sportuli Se-

degebis gauaresebisTvis~ nak-

rebis Semadgenlobidan gamoiy-

vanes da 350-maneTiani stipen-

diac mouxsnes.

didi sportidan ar gauci-

lebiaT: `gacilebaSi bedi nam-

dvilad ar maqvs _ didi

sportidan arc saqarTveloSi

gavucilebivar vinmes da arc

moskovSi...~, _ ityvis qarT-

vel JurnalistTan interviu-

Si ukve avstraliaSi damkvid-

rebuli batoni viqtori...

sidneiSi, prestiJul ko-

lejSi samuSaod wavida, sa-

dac sportSi mecadineobisT-

vis idealuri pirobebi SesTa-

vazes. guli swydeba, rom iq

msoflios da olimpiuri Cem-

pionebi ar izrdebian... 5 wlis

ganmavlobaSi, vidre kontraq-

ti amoewureboda, ojaxTan

erTad kargad cxovrobda _

bina misces, manqanac, Svilic

dasaqmda... situacia maleve

airia, umuSevroba gaugrZel-

da. erTxans ise gauWirda, rom

Tavis mokvlazec ki fiqrobda.

ìqamde mivedi, rom gazeT-

Si gancxadeba gamovaqveyne: me,

esa da es pirovneba, Cemi

olimpiuri TamaSebis oqros

medlebs vyidi-mmeTqi. magram

ubedureba iciT ra iyo? yve-

las muqTad undoda! yvelaze

maRali fasi, romelic Semom-

Tavazes, 5 aTasi dolari iyo.

avstraliaSi es Tanxa maqsimum

ori Tve geyos. kidev kargi

ojaxis wevrebma da aqaurma

nacnobebma medlebis gayidva

gadamafiqrebines...~

gaurkvevloba sam welze

met xans gagrZelda.

`90-iiani wlebis miwuruls

picasac davatarebdi. vTqvaT,

viRac lawiraks an moxucs na-

sadilevs an Zilis win pica

rom moundeboda, darekavda

CvenTan ofisSi, SeukveTavda

da me, sami olimpiadis Cempi-

oni viqtor saneevi mivdiodi

da Sin mivarTmevdi picas... iyo

aseTi droc. Tumca muSaoba

arasdros miTakilia. vmuSaob-

di, xom ar viparavdi?~

ambobs, yvelanairad awyo-

bil qveyanaSi vcxovrob, mag-

ram elementaruli pirobebi

rom mqondes, saqarTveloSi

daufiqreblad davbrundebo-

dio.

SekiTxvaze, nanobs Tu ara

rames, pasuxobs:

`daufiqreblad gavivlidi

imave gzas. amboben, saneevi

sportSi `gaumaZRari~ iyoo.

es simarTlea.: ar vocnebobdi

manqanebze, arc binaze da arc

sxva rameze _ Cemi cxovrebis

mizani mxolod sportuli Se-

degi iyo _ metrebi da santi-

metrebi~.

uyuradRebobis gamo xSi-

rad daswyvetia guli. roca

pirveli olimpiuri oqro mo-

ipova, soxumSi dabrunebuls

bina ar misces _ saSualeba ar

gvaqvso. wyena gulSi ar Car-

Cenia:

`dauviwyaria soxumi,

qalaqi, sadac gavizar-

de. yovelTvis memaxsov-

reba, axloblebis, me-

gobrebis Tanadgoma, Ce-

mi mwvrTneli akof ker-

seliani. ver warmoid-

genT, rogor mtkiva gu-

li. gaxliCes saqarTve-

lo da axla misi gamT-

lianeba Zalian rTulia.

Zalian ganvicdi am

mdgomareobas...~

asakTan erTad imed-

gacrueba gauCnda. mono-

tonuri cxovrebis gamo

pesimizmi moeZala. am-

bobs: nostalgiuri kaci

var _ Sin vzivar,

vkiTxulob da vfiqrob,

Zalian xSirad mogone-

bebSi viZirebi da amdeni

fiqrisa xandaxan meSi-

niao.

`sportuli karieris man-

Zilze TiTqmis yvela publika-

ciaSi miwodebdnen „kengurus

afxazeTidan” an „kengurus sa-

qarTvelodan”. kengurus sam-

Soblo avstraliaa da albaT

simboluria, rom cxovrebis

miwuruls swored avstrali-

aSi vatareb~.

sidneiSi, Tavisi saxlis

win limonis, mandarinisa da

greiffrutis xeebi dargo. am-

bobs, ukve iseTsave mosavals

iZleva, rogorc Cemi olimpia-

debio.

apirebs Tu ara saqarTve-

loSi dabrunebas?

`davtovo saxli, samsaxuri

da davbrunde gaurkveveli

perspeqtivis imediT, gonivru-

li ar aris. ra mniSvneloba

aqvs, sad movkvdebi. dRes sa-

qarTveloSi _ gind TbilisSi,

gind soxumSi vis vWirdebi?

garda amisa, me xom didi xnis

sicocxle ar damrCenia. ram-

denime welic da waviReb ma-

rils. ise, dasaflaveba Cems

mSobliur miwaze mirCevnia,

ra Tqma unda...~

* * *

2005 wels, saqarTveloSi

olimpiuri festivalis farg-

lebSi, udidesi olimpiuri

Cempionis, XX saukunis sauke-

Teso sportsmenad aRiarebuli

viqtor saneevis 60 wlis

iubile aRiniSna. maSin batoni

viqtori meuRlesTan erTad

ewvia Tbiliss. 2015-ic saiu-

bileoa _ qarTuli da msof-

lio sportis legendas 70

weli usruldeba. imedi viqo-

nioT, rom viqtor saneevi ki-

dev erTxel estumreba sam-

Soblos da aq, saqarTveloSi

saTanado pativs miageben

ucxoeTSi gadaxvewil Cvens

saxelovan Tanamemaules.

elza nabaxteveli

15 gv. k�ci, romelic oTxi cxovrebiT cxovrobs

17saerTo gazeTi#1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w.

interviu `samarTlis

saxlis~ direqtorTan, ba-

ton beJan beJuaSvil-Tan.

_ batono beJan, mogviye-

viT `samarTlis saxlze~. ra

mizniT, ratom, visi inicia-

tiviT Seiqmna es kompania?

_ pirvel rigSi, mogilo-

cavT Soba-axal wels. mosa-

loci ar gamogelioT arc

Tqven da arc Tqveni gazeTis

mkiTxvelebs.

rac Seexeba `samarTlis

saxls~, igi jer mxolod

erTi wlisaa. Cveni saqmiano-

bis ZiriTadi Tema mosaxle-

obisTvis kvalificiuri

iuridiuli momsaxurebis ga-

weva gaxlavT.

damfuZnebeli aris cnobi-

li qarTveli biznesmeni, yve-

lasTvis sayvareli kaci, ba-

toni Tamaz elizbaraS-vili. man Tavis Tavze iwv-nia is usamarTloba, rac

`vardebis revoluciis~ Sem-

deg damkvidrda saqarTvelo-

Si. is yofili xelisufle-

bisgan represirebulia. misi

ojaxis wevrebi sruliad

ukanonod da usafuZvlod

iyvnen dapatimrebulni.

amas me geubnebiT. iuris-

ti, romelic myari dokumen-

taciis gareSe ar lapara-

kobs. 2012 wlis dekembris

TveSi misi da misi ojaxis

wevrebis mimarT sasamarT-

los mier gamotanili iqna

gamamarTlebeli ganaCeni. mas

politikuri aqtivobis Se-

sazRudad adeiSvilis pro-

kuraturam saqarTvelos

marTlmsajulebis istoria-

Si giraos uprecedento ra-

odenoba Seufarda. giraos

saxiT 6 mln. lari gadaaxse-

vines. misi cxovrebiseuli

gamocdilebidan gamomdinare,

batonma Tamazma CaTvala sa-

Wirod, rom mosaxleobisT-

vis es axali produqti, mom-

saxurebis aseTi forma See-

Tavazebina. am organizacias

Cven `samarTlis saxli~ vu-

wodeT. anu is, rom batonma

Tamazma aRidgina Tavisi uf-

lebebi da gamarTlda, es ar

CaTvala sakmarisad da mas,

rogorc qvelmoqmeds, survi-

li gauCnda, sazogadoebas am

saxiT dadgomoda mxarSi.

Cveni TanamSromlebi ma-

terialuri TvalsazrisiT,

uzrunvelyofilni arian sa-

dazRvevo pirobebiT da a.S.

kompaniis sloganic sayu-

radReboa _ Sedegze orien-

tirebuli kompania. Cvennairi

tipis kompania, Cemi azriT,

dRes saqarTveloSi ar aris,

imitom rom, pirvel rigSi,

CvenTan dasaqmebulni arian

iseTi adamianebi, romlebsac

samecniero xarisxebi aqvT.

specialistebi muSaoben da-

rgebis mixedviT. samoqalaqo

samarTalSi profesori la-li lazaraSvili gvyavs,

romelic uzenaesi sasamarT-

los samoqalaqo palatis

mosamarTle gaxldaT, dame-

TanxmebiT, sakmaod didi ga-

mocdilebaa. sisxlis samar-

Tlis saqmeebSi gvexmareba

batoni gia mefariSvili,sruli profesori, yofili

generaluri prokurori. ba-

toni baCana jiSkariani,romelsac miunhenSi aqvs xa-

risxi daculi. mas moqmedi

advokatobis praqtikac aqvs

gavlili jer kidev germani-

idan moyolebuli. anu Cven

varT jgufi, romlebic Cveni

biografiiT movdivarT am sa-

marTlebriv sivrceSi.

_ mainc, ra ti-

pis ssaqmeebze xarT

orientirebuli?

_ Cven iseTi ti-

pis saqmeebze varT,

ZiriTadad, orien-

tirebulni, sadac

sakuTrebiTi ufle-

bebi aris darRveu-

li. Cveni priorite-

tebi gaxlavT samar-

Tlianobis aRdgenis

saqmeSi wvlilis

Setana. es ar aris

advili saqme.

axali xelisufleba rom

movida, Tqva: ukanonod Ca-

morTmeul qonebas patronebs

davubrunebTo. aseT dros

xelisuflebis mxridan ke-

Tilganwyobas unda hqondes

adgili, Torem marto lapa-

rakiT araferi gamova.

kanoni kargia TavisTavad,

magram mas pativi unda vceT.

kanonebi gvaZlevs moqmedebis

saSualebas, oRond am kano-

nebis aRsrulebis survili

unda gagvaCndes.

roca moqalaqes CamorT-

meuli aqvs qoneba da is ga-

dayidulia mesame pirze, sxva

samarTlebriv midgomebzea

saubari da SeiZleba saxelm-

wifos mier kompensaciis ga-

wevaze daisvas sakiTxi da a.

S. magram konkretul SemTx-

vevaSi, roca keTilganwyoba-

ze vlaparakobT, me vambob

martivad: qoneba CamoerTvaT

ukanonod, magram viTom kano-

nierebis farglebSi, rome-

lic adamianebis dasjis erT-

erTi saSualeba iyo, magali-

Tad, aCuqebdnen binas, manqa-

nas, saxls da a.S. aseTi qo-

nebis didi nawili dRemde

saxelmwifos balanszea kon-

kretul SemTxvevaSi, maga-

liTad, ekonomikis saminist-

ros balansze.

kanoniTac gangimartavT.

Cuqebisas dokumentze xels

awers mCuqebelic da isinic,

vinc iCuqa. dRes ki mCuqebe-

li ambobs: Cemo batono sa-

xelmwifo, me es qoneba neba-

yoflobiT ar gadmomicia. Za-

ladobiT wamarTves, gTxovT,

damibrunoT. gavauqmoT is

xelSekruleba, rac Zala-

dobrivi gziT Cemsa da Sens

Soris daido da damibruneT

Cemi qoneba. magram saxelmwi-

fo kvlav ar ubrunebs anu

araferi Secvlila. ukan ab-

runeben ki ara, metic, Tavga-

modebiT icaven warTmeul

qonebas. adeiSvili rom genp-

rokurori yofiliyo, ukeTe-

sad ver daicavda am ukano-

nobas.

dRes modian adamianebi

ekonomikis saministrodan da

saocrebebs gviyvebian.

_ konkretulad?

_ konkretulad amarTle-

ben im qmedebebs, rac Caidina

wina xelisuflebam. maSin vk-

iTxulob, Tu imaT Caidines

da marTali iyvnen, axali xe-

lisufleba ratom movida da

ratom zis qveynis saTaveSi?

imitom, rom wina afuWebda,

spobda, ukanonobas Cadioda,

xom?! amis gamo avirCieT axa-

li xelisufleba. es xeli-

sufleba Tu adgeba da da-

iwyebs imis dacvas, rac gaa-

fuWa Zvelma, maSin ra azri

hqonda mis mosvlas?!

_ ra xdeba, batono beJan,

Tqveni azriT?

_ saqme raSia, iciT? am

Temebs sasamarTlo saerTod

ar sWirdeba. kidev erTxel

vambob, or subieqts Soris

gaformebuli Cuqebis xel-

Sekrulebis moSlis safuZv-

lebsac cnobs kanonmdebloba

da roca erTi mxare ambobs,

rom iZulebis wesiT aCuqebi-

nes, saxelmwifos keTil ne-

bazea yvelaferi damokidebu-

li.

_ Tqvens kompanias `sa-

marTlis saxli~ ewodeba.

swored samarTlianobis aR-

dgena iyo xelisuflebis

pirveli dapireba mosaxleo-

bisadmi. es rom ganxorciel-

des, sxvaTa Soris, `samarT-

lis saxlmac~ unda ibrZo-

los amisTvis. weRan rom

TqviT, rom Tqveni gundi po-

litikaSi ar ereva, ras gu-

lisxmobdiT. Tqveni saqmiano-

ba politikis nawilad ar

migaCniaT?

_ diax, magram arsebobs

samarTlianobis aRdgenis po-

litikuri da iuridiuli as-

peqtebi. Cven politikosebi

ar varT da ar ganvsazRvravT

politikis mixedviT. kanonis

gziT vapirebT xeli Sevuw-

yoT samarTlianobis aRdgenas.

garkveuli drois Semdeg

vapirebT konferencia Cavata-

roT, romelSic monawileo-

bas miiReben ara mxolod

qarTveli uflebadamcvelebi

da arasamTavrobo organiza-

ciebis warmomadgenlebi, ara-

med ucxoeli specialiste-

bic, samoqalaqo seqtoris

warmomadgenlebi da maT ga-

vacnobT Cveneul xedvas. vi-

saubrebT problemebze da am

problemebis gadaWris gzeb-

ze. es pirdapir kavSirSia

qveyanaSi arsebul proble-

mebTan da premier-ministris

mier anonsirebul TemebTan.

Cven, rogorc sazogadoebis

nawils, migvaCnia, rom mona-

wileoba unda miviRoT am

procesebSi.

swored am procesebis Se-

madgeneli nawilia prokura-

turis reformirebis sa-

kiTxi, romelic aseve premi-

eris mier iyo daanonsebuli.

Cven gvaqvs Cveni mosazrebebi.

batoni arCil kbilaSvili

rogorc ambobda, ise ar

iwyeba da ar mTavrdeba es

qveyana. yvela Cveni TanamSro-

meli prokuraturis sistema

gamovlilia da ician, ra

xdeba am sistemaSi. rogori

saxelmwifo gvinda gvqondes,

imazea damokidebuli, rogo-

ri prokurorebi da rogori

mosamarTleebi gveyolebian.

iranda kalandaZe593 56 11 18

rogori saxelmwifo gvinda

gvqondes, imazea damokidebuli,

rogori prokurorebi da rogori

mosamarTleebi gveyolebian

beJan beJuaSvili:

Tamaz elizbaraSvili

18 saerTo gazeTi #1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w.

gasul kviras miSas tele-

viziad wodebuli `rusTavi-

2~-is proeqti `niWieris~ fi-

nali Sedga filarmoniaSi.

`yvelaze energiuli wamyvani~

nanuka JorJoliani, `yv-

elaze momxiblveli~ ia fa-rulava da `yvelaze inte-

leqtualuri kaci~, `rusTa-

vi-2~-is generaluri direq-

tori (ase gamoacxada Sous

wamyvanma nika grigoliam)

nika gvaramia da `Wola~

_ reJisori levan wulaZeisxdnen JiuriSi.

`niWieris~ bevri monawi-

le, albaT, Tavidan verc ki

mixvda, proeqtis avtorebma

TavianTi Sou _ speqtaklis-

Tvis rom gamoiyenes da ara

imisTvis, niWi rom daefasebi-

naT da daenaxebinaT yvelasT-

vis.

Tavidanve farsi dadges,

amalia jiblaZe rom gamoiyva-

nes, rogorc TviTnabadi ta-

lanti, gaWirvebuli qali,

romelic Semdeg musikaluri

ganaTlebis mqone momRerali

aRmoCnda, momRerlis karie-

ragavlili, romelic sakuTa-

ri manqaniT dadioda koncer-

tebze.

RmerTma yvelas xeli mo-

umarTos, qalbatoni amaliac

da bevri sxvac proeqtSi nam-

dvilad niWierebi iyvnen, mag-

ram xan batoni nikolozi

(kninobiT _ alersobiTi

formiT, nika (gvaramia) da

qalbatoni nana (kninobiT-

alersobiTi for-

miT, nanuka (Jor-

Joliani) xSir-

xSirad rom imeo-

rebdnen, `rusTa-

vi-2~-ma Seqmna

axali talante-

bio, `rusTavi-2~-

o da nacmexotbee-

bo, Tqveni damsa-

xureba araa am

marTlac beddamw-

var saqarTveloSi

bevri niWieri rom

ibadeba.

T a v i s T a v a d

cxadia, Sous

sWirdeba akroba-

tuli nomrebic,

cirkic, cekvac,

saocrebebic, mag-

ram ra sazomiT,

ra kriteriumiT

unda Seajibro erTmaneTs

niWierebaSi adamiani, rome-

lic, magaliTad, skamebs ise

daawyobs, filarmoniis We-

ramde rom ava da momRerali

an mocekvave, amaze Tu ufi-

qriaT proeqtis avtorebs?

ki, batono, niWieria isic,

vinc burTs Zirs dauSveblad

uamravjer akenwlavs, niWie-

ria, vinc avtomanqanas mkerd-

ze gadaitarebs, niWieria

isic, vinc uCveulo akroba-

tul nomrebs asrulebs, ra

Tqma unda, niWieria is adami-

anic, romelsac unikaluri

musikaluri SesaZleblobebi

aqvs da araCveulebrivad as-

rulebs saopero ariebs, ni-

Wierebi arian dabadebidanve

yru-munji adamianebi, romel-

bsac araferi esmiT, magram

saocari ostatobiT asrule-

ben sacekvao nomrebs, magram

es erTmaneTisgan imdenad

gansxvavebuli sferoebia,

rom, am adamianebis gapaeqreba

yvelaze niWieris gamosavle-

nad elementaruli idiotiz-

mia da meti araferi.

amgvar konkursebSi niWie-

rebis gamosavlenad sxvadasx-

va nominaciebis dawesebaa sa-

Wiro _ niWieri ZalosnobaSi,

niWieri akrobatikaSi, niWie-

ri momRerali, mocekvave da

a.S.

amalia jiblaZes sairmis

sagzuri rom misces, darbaz-

Si viRacam Tqva: etyoba, am

qals kuW-nawlavi awuxebs, es

icodnen da imitom misces sa-

irmis sagzurio. niWis ase

gamasxaraveba marTla ar Sei-

Zleba.

cxadia, yvelafers sabo-

lood xmebi wyvets, mosax-

leobis satelefono mesije-

bi, magram ramdeni mesijic ar

unda Sesuliyo da visac ar

unda gaemarjva, pawawina

jildoebi yvelas unda rge-

boda, rogorc am proeqtis

monawileebs Tundac momaval

monawileTa motivaciisTvis.

magram `rusTavi-2~-is xe-

lmZRvaneloba da nacionale-

bi adamianebs saqarTveloSi

uyureben, rogorc bnel, er-

Tferovan masas, romelsac

Tu ginda Seaqe, Tu ginda

afurTxe, roca dauZaxeb, ma-

Sin mova da trampa-cumpas im-

Rerebs imisTvis, rom `rus-

Tavi-2~ metad gapiardes, te-

levizia metad dafinansdes,

wamyvanebma popularoba da

zebunebrivoba SeinarCunon,

galaRdnen da gaifuyon...

darbazSi rigi idga fina-

lis dros. xalxi fotoebis

gadaRebas sTxovda nanuka

JorJolians.

istoriul fotoebs, al-

baT, STamomavlobas Seunaxa-

ven _ Cven foto nanuka Jor-

JolianTan erTad gvaqvs ga-

daRebulio.

aferum! daviZraT erTad,

iqneb, nanukam CvenTan foto

gadaiRos...

gasul kviras kinomcodne

gogi gvaxariam statia ga-

moaqveyna saTauriT: `niWieri

etlSi~. kmayofilia gvaxaria,

rom niWieri swored etlSi

cekvavda da ambobs: `... kargad

vici, ras grZnobs adamiani,

romelmac siarulis unari da-

karga~...

gasagebia batoni gogis

gancdebi, da, miuxedavad imi-

sa, mis mkveTr liberalur Se-

xedulebebs ar veTanxmebi, yo-

velTvis vaRiarebdi, rom go-

gi gvaxaria niWieri kacia. ami-

tomac gamikvirda misi Sefase-

ba, radgan Temos da qeTis im

dRes iq niWi ar gamoumJRavne-

biaT da gogi gvaxarias niWis

Sefaseba, ar unda eSlebodes,

mgoni. Temom da qeTim daamt-

kices is, rom adamianis SesaZ-

leblobebs sazRvari ar aqvs.

es Zalian didi ramea.

me Tavs vxri Temos da qe-

Tis winaSe. maT mimarT didi

pativiscemiTac ganvewyve, mag-

ram proeqtis monawile namd-

vili niWierebi `rusTavi-2~-ma

pirSi Calagamovlebuli da

gawbilebuli rom datova, es

kidev erTi dasturi iyo imi-

sa, rom nacmoZraobis mier da-

finansebuli televizia ver

itans niWs, dascinis da abu-

Cad igdebs mas...


proeqti `niWieri~ didi uniWoba

da uxamsoba iyo, romelic uniWod

dagegmili finaliT damTavrda

19saerTo gazeTi#1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w.

mofaSisto elements uw-

odeben evroparlamentis

wevr, safrangeTis `naciona-

luri frontis~ damaarse-

belsa da prezidents Jana-ma-

ri le pens, romelic xuT-

jer monawileobda safrange-

Tis prezidentis arCevnebSi

da Jak Siraks rom ar daemar-

cxebina meore turSi, savara-

udod, sxva safrangeTi iqne-

boda dRes, rac Tavis mxriv,

erTgvarad Secvlida evropa-

sac.

bunebrivia, sainteresoa,

ratom aris qalbatoni le

peni `mofaSisto~, ras ambobs

aseTs da risken mouwodebs

frangebs? _ yvela SemTxveva-

Si, misi popularoba safran-

geTSi (ara mxolod) mzardia

da ra vifiqroT, safrangeTi

`mofaSistoa~?

mari le peni: _ `roca

iqmneboda evrokavSiri, Cven

gveubnebodnen, rom evropuli

Seneba, es iyo msoflio Sene-

ba. Cven davrwmundiT, rom es

Seneba ki ara omia! omia eko-

nomikur frontze, omi soci-

aluri dempingis saxiT (dem-

pingi _ saqonlis gayidva Si-

da bazris fasebTan Sedare-

biT bevrad iafad, zogjer

TviTRirebulebaze nakleba-

dac); wesebis omi, suraTebis

omi, teleekranebis omi, sa-

dac erTni warmodgenilebi

arian rogorc usaqmurebi, me-

oreni _ totalitarizmis

momxreebad, mesameni _ qurde-

bad...

evropelebs uCveneben

xalxs, romlebic Tavisuf-

lebisken, evrokavSirisken

iltvian. saqme imaSia, rom es

xdeba swored im dros, ro-

desac evropis bevr qveyanas

surs gavides evrokavSiri-

dan...

saWiroa faqtis konsta-

tireba _ arsebul momentSi

safrangeTi mihyveba NATO-sxazs. Tu me amirCevensafrangeTis preziden-tad, me gaviyvan safran-geTs NATO-dan, radgan

safrangeTma dakarga sakuTa-

ri xma, absoluturad vasru-

lebT im brZanebebs, romel-

sac iZlevian vaSingtonidan

an berlinidan.

adamianis uflebaTa saxe-

liT evrokavSiridan gvaiZu-

leben ufro da ufro meti

SeSlili brZanebebis Sesru-

lebas, rac Sesabamisad, uf-

ro da ufro scildeba Cvens

tradiciul Rirebulebebs _

evrokavSiri aiZulebs xalxs

miiRon is kanonebi, risi mi-

Rebac maT ar surT.

icodeT! evrokavSiri mog-

TxovT erTsqesianTa qorwine-

bis dakanonebas da aseTi

wyvilebisTvis bavSvebis miS-

vilebas _ dRes aseT mdgoma-

reobaSi safrangeTi Cavarda,

guSin _ espaneTi, xval ki ev-

rokavSiris sxva wevri qvey-

nebi gaxdebian iZulebulebi.

Cven gvaiZuleben Cvens ganaT-

lebis sistemaSi SevitanoT

e.w `genderuli Teoria~ _

icis vinmem ras niSnavs es?

Tqven ar xarT arc qali, arc

_ kaci, sqess airCevT Semd-

gomSi, amitom biWunebs ekrZa-

lebaT maTTvis aqamde Sesafe-

risi saTamaSoebiT TamaSi da

gogonebs gogonebis Sesafe-

risi saTamaSoebiT. axla ge-

cinebaT, magram rodesac es

Tqven dagatydebaT Tavs, ti-

rili mogindebaT...

me Tu safrangeTisprezidenti gavxdebi, megaviyvan safrangeTs ev-rokavSiridan!

evropuli Rirebulebebi?

fuli, angareba, xeiris ga-

morCena, sixarbe, gaumaZRro-

ba, msxvili kapitalis dacvis

interesi, aSS-is politikis

morCileba _ ai, es aris

dRes e.w evropuli Rirebu-

lebebi!

es yvelaferi winaaRmde-

gobaSi modis imasTan, rasac

Cven vuwodebT ojaxs, pirov-

nul Rirsebas, eris tradi-

ciuli fesvebis pativiscemas,

patiosan TanamSromlobas,

kulturul identobas...

aTaswlovani

religiis Semc-

vlelad reli-

giur mimdinare-

obas adgenen,

romelic 30

wlis win gaCn-

da. am uazro

mizans mxars

uWers `svecko-

ba~, romelic

s a f r a n g e T S i

portirebulia.

me darwmunebu-

li var, rom

frangebi amas

ar miiReben, radgan, miuxeda-

vad imisa, rom arian rogorc

morwmuneebi, ise _ aramowmu-

neebi, yvela maTgani gaizarda

qristianuli kulturiT,

romliTac is safuZvlebia Ca-

debuli, riTic dRemde Sen-

deba Cveni sazogadoe-

ba...

evrokavSirma daang-

ria Tavisi yvela pi-

roba! demokratiul

qveyanaSi xalxi Tvi-

Ton wyvets Tavis

beds, Cven ki suvereni-

tetis saxeliT TiT-

qos cixeSi Cagvamwyv-

dies. xalxs Tavisuf-

lebis dabruneba un-

da...

evrokavSiri Cafiq-

rebuli iyo rogorc

damoukidebeli qveyne-

bis Tanamegobroba, magram

dReisaTvis is iqca absolu-

turad totalita-

rul sistemad. di-

ax, safrangeTis ga-

mosvla evrokavSi-

ridan iqneba skanda-

li, magram ra vu-

yoT? SexedeT, ev-

rokavSiridan gasv-

lis zRvarzea didi

britaneTic...

droa, rom adami-

anebma, romlebsac

sacdel bocvrebad

iyeneben, uari ga-

nacxadon eqsperi-

mentis Catarebaze

da sufTa furcli-

dan daiwyos evro-

pasTan TanamSrom-

loba da ganviTareba. me

vTvli, rom ukraina Cveni me-

gobaria da me megobrebs koS-

marSi ar viwvev! me SevTavaze

Cems qveyanas, Caataros gamW-

virvale referendumi am sa-

Sineli kavSiridan gamosvla-

ze. qveynebi, romlebic gawev-

rianebulebi arian evrokav-

SirSi, axla ukan dgamen na-

bijs, radgan evrokavSiri

aris micvalebulebis gza...~

am sityvebis gamo aris

qalbatoni le peni `mofaSis-

to~? Tu imitom, rom vladi-

mer putinTan, anu ruseTTan

urTierTobis awyoba SeuZ-

lia? sxvaTaSoris, 2011

wels frangma amomrCevelma

sakuTari xmebis mniSvnelova-

ni raodenobiT misTvis mice-

misTvis kvlav daafiqsira,

rom mari le penis Tanamoaz-

rea, anu `mofaSistoa~...

mari le pens rusi Jurna-

listisTvis micemul inter-

viuSi erTmniSvnelovnad aqvs

naTqvami, rom evropuli de-

mokratia dapatimrebulia. am

gancxadebaze axlaxans daka-

vebuli frangi komikosi die-

done mbala mbala gaaxsendeba

adamians. ra daaSava diedonem

da socialur qsel Facebo-

ok-Si gamoaqveyna statusi

`me Sarli kalubali~ var

(`Sarli~ _ gasagebia, kalu-

bali _ erT-erTi mokluli

teroristis gvaria). bolo-

bolo ra muxliT wauyenes

brali, ucnobia, Tumca rom

daakaves, faqtia.

iqneb sulac imitom aris

`cudi biWi~ diedone, rom ma-

ri le penis partiis aqtiu-

ri mxardamWeria? _ arada,

`mofaSisto~ le peni swored

rom safrangeTSi imigraciis

winaaRmdegia.

iqneb romis papic `mofa-

Sistoa~, radgan `Sarli eb-

doze~ ganxorcielebuli

Tavdasxmis Sesaxeb ganacxada,

rom àravis SeuZlia icinos

rwmenaze. is vinc amas gaake-

Tebs, unda elodos sapasuxo

dartymas... ar SeiZleba pro-

vocireba; ar SeiZleba sxvisi

rwmenis damcireba; ar SeiZ-

leba rwmenis dacinva. arse-

bobs zRvari. sityvis Tavi-

sufleba sasikeTod unda ar-

sebobdes...~

parizSi msofliodan ori

milioni adamiani uTanagrZob-

da daRupulTa ojaxebs da

gmobda terorizms, evropeli

politikuri liderebi ki win

miuZRodnen TanagrZnobis

procesias da daqiravebulma

masmediam nabrZanebi iarliyi

daartya _ sityvis Tavisuf-

lebis dasacavad, ai, ramdeni

xalxi gamovidao...

parizisa da Tbilisis mas-

Stabebi rom SevadaroT _

ramdenjer meti xalxi gamo-

sula TbilisSi saakaSvilis

sisxliani reJimis winaaRm-

deg? 2012 wlis 29 seqtem-

bers oTxmilioniani qveynidan

ramdenjer meti xalxi gamo-

vida, magram igive evropelma

liderebma, romlebic TavianT

qveynebSi terorizms gmoben,

saqarTveloSi mkvlelebTan

kohabitacia gvaiZules...

`me Sarli kalubali va-

ro~ amisTvis komikosi daaka-

ves, saqarTveloSi ki `me ba-

Co var~, `me vano var~ da a.S

anu `me mkvleli var, jala-

Ti var, mkvlelobis SemkveTi

var~ da a.S Facebook-Si da-wera ki ara, maT mier aqcie-

bis mowyoba ar SeiZleba das-

jadi iyos, radgan asea nabr-

Zanebi evrokavSiridan da va-

Singtonidan, am SemTxvevaSi,

safrangeTisgan gansxvavebiT,

amgvardaa dawerili saqarT-

velosTvis sityvisa da azris

gamoxatvis Tavisufleba...

me var qarTveli, maSadame

utvino? Tu maSasadame yru,

brma, munji da bolos da bo-

los monobisTvis dabadebu-

li?

me var qarTveli, maSasadame var utvino?

mari le peni: Tu me amirCeven

safrangeTis prezidentad,

me gaviyvan safrangeTs

NATO-dan da evrokavSiridan

20 saerTo gazeTi #1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w.

saqarTvelosTvis mniSvne-

lovani, erTi SexedviT, arc

araferi momxdara, putini an-

karaSi Cavida, erdoRans Sexv-

da da Jurnalistebs ganucxa-

da, erdoRani kerketi biWiao,

rom vuTxari, iqneb jer ar

aris saWiro imis gaxmaureba,

ra gadawyvetileba miviReT,

mipasuxa, araferi gvaqvs dasa-

malio; regionSi ruseTisa da

TurqeTis bevri interesi em-

Txveva erTmaneTso; ufro me-

tic, TurqeTis aqtiurobis

gareSe, zogierTi sakiTxis ga-

dawyveta ubralod, SeuZlebe-

liao; rac Seexeba CrdiloeT

kvipross, moskovi ecdeba

dambalanseblis pozicia dai-

kavos, radgan ruseTs `keTili

urTierToba~ aqvs TurqeTTan,

magram aseTive damokidebule-

ba aqvs CrdiloeT kviprosis

mimarTac, SeiZleba iTqvas,

berZnebTan `gansakuTrebulic~

ki, romelic gaZlierebulia

religiuri da kulturuli

kavSirebiTo; raRa bevri ga-

vagrZeloT, putinma pirdapir

ganacxada, TurqeTma sxvis po-

litikur ambiciebs sakuTari

qveynis interesebi arCia da

amiT daamtkica, rom am

kuTxiT esec CemsaviT kerke-

tiao...

rogorc vxedavT, saqarTve-

los momavlisTvis arcTu um-

niSvnelo ram momxdara sul

cota xnis win, magram amis Se-

saxeb sasaubrod aravis dauT-

mia vinmesTvis eTeri, piriqiT,

erTi kvira imas arkvevdnen,

`proqarTuli~ proqarTulia

Tu `prorusuli~ da `JiJi-

laSvili da kampanias~ arxis

xelmZRvanelobam rom proqar-

Tuli gadacemebis momzadeba

moTxova, samarTliani iyo Tu

ara...

odnav, ramdenime TviT ukan

gadavinacvloT _ TurqeTma

sami saukunis winandeli xel-

Sekruleba amoswia da arao-

ficialur formatSi yirimis

naxevarkunZulze pretenzia

wamoayena. briyvi aravinaa,

TurqeTma kargad icis, rom im

droSi, risi ganWvretac ada-

mians SeuZlia, misi pretenzia

yirimze, auxdenelia, magram

mTavaria, rom es moTxovna da-

do. (dauZlurebulo saqarT-

velov! saukune jer ar gasu-

la, teritoriebiTa da masze

mosaxle 300 000 aTasi kom-

liT TurqeTis gadaylapulo...

aRarafers vambob imaze, rom

yirimis naxevarkunZuli su-

lac kolxebis iyo _ aieti

dadasturebulad kolxeTis

mefea! persi _ aietis Zma,

tavrielebis mefea yirimSi!)

ra SeiZleboda yofiliyo

da iyos momavalSi TurqeTis

mier yirimze pretenziis

gacxadebis safuZvel-mizez-sa-

bab-gamorCena? mTlad gamoben-

terebuli unda iyos adamiani

amas rom ver mixvdes _ eqvs

welSi, zustad eqvs welSi,

2021 wlis 13 oqtombris Sem-

deg vadagasulia yarsis, Tur-

qeTisTvis e.w òkupanturi~

xelSekruleba, rac imas niS-

navs, rom aTa Turqis mier

leninisTvis 100 wliT daT-

mobili aWara avtomaturad

aRmoCndeba TurqeTis xelSi!

diax, batonebo, 2021 wels

aWaras `kanonierad~ waiRebs

dReisaTvis megobrad aRiare-

buli TurqeTi da xmasac ar

amoiRebs `megobari~ aSS da

`megobari~ evrokavSiri; xel-

sac ar gaanZrevs `megobari~

NATO raSi ekiTxeba (mis Sig-

niTve arsebuli e.w `kvipro-

sis sakiTxi~ ar ainteresebs)

da miTumetes, `mteri~ ruse-

Ti. dRes saqarTveloSi aravin

saubrobs im uaxloes gansac-

delze, rac saqarTvelos

aucileblad daudgeba, TiT-

qos viRacam akrZala amis Se-

saxeb saubari, arada, realoba

aseTia _ yirimi, uxeSad rom

vTqvaT, referendumiT miierTa

ruseTma, TurqeTs ki esec ar

sWirdeba da aha, Seakvdi Tur-

qeTis milionian SeiaraRebul

armias sruliad saqarTvelov,

Sedegi?

Sedegi is iqneba, rom

otomanTa dinastiis vezirTu-

xucesebad vera, magram Tur-

qeTis xelisuflebis maRal

wreebSi kvlav moxvdebian ge-

netikuri qarTvelebi. diax,

ase moxdeba... ra uSavso, al-

baT _ 17 otomani (qarTveli)

vezirTuxucesi da asobiT

qarTveli faSa idga osmale-

Tis imperiis samsaxurSi... vin

gavixsenoT, jer mxolod jev-

ri da dindine xanumis saxe-

lebi?

1808 wels rodesac selim

III amboxebulebma mokles,

qarTvelma, jevri xanumma uf-

liswuli, mahmud II jer gada-

mala, mere ki, rodesac miag-

nes, sxeuliT gadaefara da

ueWveli sikvdilisgan ixsna,

Semdeg ki maSvelic Semoesw-

ro da mxolod msubuqad daW-

rili sasaxles gaarides. jev-

ri xanumma mTeli samefo di-

nastia gadaarCina da mas Sem-

deg, rac mahmud II sulTani

gaxda, jevri xanumi mTavar

xazinadarad daniSna, misi

gardacvalebis Semdeg ki

brZaneba gasca, rom misi ga-

damrCeneli dedamisis safla-

vis gverdze daekrZalaT, xo-

lo mis saxelze skola da

Sadrevani aeSenebinaT...

yirimis omSi `qarTveli

osmalebi~ frontis wina xaz-

ze ibrZodnen ruseTis winaaR-

mdeg. dindin xanumi (Tavdgi-

riZe), romelsac ukve dakar-

guli hyavda vaJi da geri,

cxenze amxedrebuli ibrZoda

xmliT. rodesac rusebis Se-

teva gaZlierebula da osma-

leTis mxares ukan daxeva da-

uwyia, dindin xaTuni mTeli

ZaliT dastakebia rusebs. amis

Semxedvare ukan daxeulebic

mobrunebulan da is brZola

moiges. am ambavs stambolamde

CauRwevia da sulTanma pira-

dad daajildova gmiri `qarT-

veli osmalo~ qali mamaco-

bisTvis, mogvianebiT ki mis

orive vaJs, osman beisa da

ali beis osmaleTis imperiis

faSas wodebebi mieniWaT...

vezirTuxucesi mehmeT sa-

iT faSa (1755 wels dainiSna

premier-ministrad), Seixi

mirza mustafa efendi, Tavadi

sabahaddini, mecnieri ali ha-

idar efendi... istorikos mu-

rad kasabis (dediT Turqi, ma-

miT _ qarTveli) wignSi òs-

malo qarTvelebi~ im 1200

qarTvelis cxovreba aqvs aR-

werili, romlebic sxvadasxva

rangis Tanamdebobze msaxu-

robdnen otomanTa imperiaSi

saukuneebis manZilze dRemde.

wignSi moxseniebul istori-

ul pirTagan zogi sulTani

iyo, zogi – mmarTveli an

sulTnis deda da memkvidreebs

uCendnen.

17 vezirTuxucesi, 9 me-

WurWleTuxucesi, 6 sazRvao

kapitani, 13 saxelmwifo mi-

nistri, 173 veziri, samxedro

mmarTveli, gubernatori, 13

samefo karis wevri, 344 re-

ligiuri moRvawe, 34 mxatva-

ri da mwerali, 488 saxelmwi-

fo da sasaxlis oficialuri

piri, 23 faSas deda, deda-de-

dofali, `princesa~ da coli

_ ar aris mcire CamonaTva-

li...

SeiZleba, kasabi mTlad

usafuZvlodac ar ambobdes am

sityvebs, radgan swored

Turqi feTluhan giuleni, te-

rorizmsa da religiur eqst-

remizmSi braldebuli idga

(dgas) saqarTveloSi arsebu-

li 14 saswavleblis ukan: de-

mirelis saxelobis sabavSvo

baRi; Tbilisis skola-liceu-

mi `sxivi~; baTumis r. Sahinis

saxelobis dawyebiTi skola-

liceumi; quTaisis niko niko-

laZis saxelobis dawyebiTi

skola; rusTavis rusTavelis

saxelobis saxelovnebo

dawyebiTi skola; baTumis

universitetis mosamzadebeli

kursebi da enaTa centri; de-

mirelis saxelobis kerZo ko-

leji; nikoloz wereTlis

saxelobis saerTaSoriso sko-

la; marneulis universitetis

mosamzadebeli kursebi da ena-

Ta centri da a.S maT Soris,

prestiJuli `Savi zRvis uni-

versitetis~ ukan da Tavmom-

wone qarTveli dedebi iq aba-

reben Svilebs sworadac rom

sakuTari nebiT, mamebi _ erTi

qarTveli prokuroris msgav-

sad dumilis uflebas inarCu-

neben...

axla, is gvixaria, Turqe-

Tis ganaTlebis sistemaSi

qarTuli ena saswavlo sagnad

Seitanes da ar mxolod gene-

tikurad qarTveli, TviT

Turqebi swavloben qarTulso

_ vinmem Tu axsna raSi das-

Wirda mravalmilionian Tur-

qeTs maincdamainc axla lamis

sammilioniani eris enis sas-

wavlo programaSi Setana?

da saerTod, vin (adamianTa

romelma jgufma) gamogvicxa-

da TurqeTi istoriul megob-

rad da ra Sorsmimavali miz-

nebi hqonda (hqondaT), dafiq-

rebula vinme?

qarTveli qali, dindin xa-

numi otomanebs miuZRoda ru-

suli jaris winaaRmdeg yiri-

mis omSi da brZolaSi daamar-

cxa kidec, magram saqarTve-

losTvis, ra? _ Tumca, Sina-

ganad mainc vxarobT, ai, ra

meomari qalebi gvyavda qarT-

velebso...

axla sazrunavi is aris,

istoriuli mtrebis, ruseTi-

sa da TurqeTis xvevna-kocna-

Si samudamod ar gaiWlitos

utvino Tu moRalate `kace-

bis~ xelSi gamovlili saqar-

Tvelo, romlisTvisac aqamde

mainc, gaugebarad `Canda~ vin

metad mteri iyo, vin _ nakle-

bad... Tumca, saqarTvelos arc

arasdros hyolia megobari...

diax, saqarTvelosTvis

2021 weli axlovdeba, kidev

erTxel da amjerad, SeiZleba

sxva droze metadac, Tavi

aqvs gadasarCeni, ruseTs ki

mitacebuli yirimi aqvs misa-

diax, batonebo, 2021 wels aWaras,

yarsis xelSekrulebis Tanaxmad,

`kanonierad~ waiRebs TurqeTimainc ra moxda aseTi mniSvnelovani 2014 wlis miwuruls,

rac ruseTs ukavSirdeba da CvenTvis faseulia?

23 gv.

21saerTo gazeTi#1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w.

sazogadoebrivma organiza-

ciam èvraziis instituti~

amaswinaT specialuri gancxa-

deba gaavrcela:

`23 dekembers Tbilisis

sastumro „vere palasSi“ ga-

imarTa evraziis institutis

mier Catarebuli gamokiTxvis

Sedegebis prezentacia, rome-

lic natosa da SeerTebuli

Statebisadmi saqarTvelos

mosaxleobis damokidebulebas

asaxavs. prezentacias eswre-

bodnen gamokiTxvis organiza-

torebi, mowveuli specialis-

tebi, sazogadoebis wevrebi

da Jurnalistebi. yvela maT-

gans daurigda gamokiTxvis

Sedegebi, damoukidebeli eqs-

pertis SefasebiTurT, dabeW-

dili da akinZuli saxiT.

tele da radioarxebis -

„sazogadoebrivi mauwyeblis“,

„imedis“ da „rusTavi 2“-is

korespondentebma RonisZieba

videofirze asaxes, Caiweres

interviuebi. garda televizi-

ebisa, prezentacias eswrebod-

nen ramdenime sainformacio

saagentos warmomadgenlebic.

wesiT da rigiT, prezenta-

ciaze damswre masmediisagan

romelime erTs mainc unda ga-

eSuqebina gamokiTxvis Sedege-

bi an exsenebina mainc, rom Ca-

tarda aseTi sociologiuri

kvleva. magram, rogorc es

xSirad xdeba xolme, SeerTe-

buli Statebidan marTulma

qarTulma cenzuram dabloka

informaciis gavrceleba.

ra unda iyos qarTuli

masmediis aseTi koleqtiuri

dumilis mizezi? is xom ara,

rom gamokiTxvis Sedegebi ma-

Ti damfinanseblebis da mbrZa-

neblebis - amerikeli da ev-

ropeli CinovnikebisaTvis, Se-

iZleba, miuRebeli aRmoCndes?

miuxedavad yvelafrisa, qv-

eyana mainc ar aris CaliT da-

xuruli. calkeuli obieqtu-

ri internet-saagentosa da

gazeTebis, aseve socialuri

qselebis saSualebiT da uSu-

alod mosaxleobasTan kon-

taqtiT, Cven mainc mivitanT

informacias mTel saqarTve-

lomde.~

`saerTo gazeTi~ gTavazo-

bT aRniSnuli sociologiuri

kvlevis ZiriTad Sedegebs da

specialistebis komentarebs.

gulbaaT rcxilaZe,politikis mecnierebaTa kan-

didati, evraziis institutis

xelmZRvaneli:

gamokiTxvis Sedegebidan

gamomdinare ZiriTadi daskv-

na mdgomareobs imaSi, rom wi-

na xelisuflebis mier Seqmni-

li miTi, TiTqos nato aris

qarTveli eris “istoriuli

arCevani”, absoluturad usa-

fuZvloa. rogorc gamokiTx-

vis Sedegebma aCvena, Crdilo-

atlantikuri aliansis mimarT

sazogadoebaSi araerTgvaro-

vani damokidebuleba arse-

bobs, Tanac, negatiuri Sefa-

sebebi ufro Warbobs. zustad

igive iTqmis amerikis SeerTe-

bul Statebzec. Sesabamisad,

ar SeiZleba, xelisuflebam

ugulebelyos sazogadoebis

amgvari ganwyoba, romelic

saR azrs efuZneba. mosaxleo-

ba ufro pragmatulad uyu-

rebs viTarebas, gamokiTxul-

Ta 44% ambobs, rom amerika

sulac ar aris Cveni megoba-

ri da mSveleli, aseve ar

aris mteri, aramed saxelmwi-

fo, romelic sakuTar inte-

resebs axorcielebs (amerikas

megobrad da mokavSired mxo-

lod 29% miiCnevs, xolo ga-

moucxadebel mtrad da mowi-

naaRmdeged - 17%) - Sesabami-

sad, xalxs esmis, rom saqar-

Tvelo arafers unda elodos

amerikisagan.

am elementarul WeSmari-

tebaze Tvals xuWavs axlan-

deli xelisufleba, saakaSvi-

lis da SevardnaZis reJimebis

msgavsad. gansakuTrebul ga-

Rizianebas xalxSi iwvevs na-

tos samxedro operaciebSi,

cxra mTas iqiT, qarTveli ja-

riskacebis monawileoba (amis

winaaRmdegia gamokiTxulTa

62%), amitomac ganwyobebi

ufro antidasavlurisken Se-

icvala.

saboloo jamSi, vnaxeT,

rom am dReebSi rom Semdgari-

yo plebisciti, natoSi Sesv-

lis sakiTxi Cavardeboda -

xalxis mxolod 32 procenti

gamoTqvams mzadyofnas, ple-

biscitze xma misces saqarTve-

los integracias natoSi. am

cifrs administraciuli re-

sursi, statistikuri xarve-

zi, meryevi amomrCeveli rom

davumatoT, yvelaferi es er-

Tad aRebuli, yvelaze opti-

misturi gaTvliT, 48 pro-

cents verafriT ver gadaa-

Warbebs. amitom, vimeoreb: na-

to ar aris qarTveli xalxis

arCevani.

aucileblad ganvmartav:

vici, rom Cveni gamokiTxvis

Sedegebs (1700 respondentze

meti mTeli saqarTvelos mas-

StabiT, mxolod eTnikurad

qarTul mosaxleobaSi) dasav-

leTidan marTuli politika-

nebi da e. w. “arasamTavrobo-

ebi” ar daeTanxmebian da ate-

xen viS-viSs, rom Cven “pro-

rusuli” organizacia varT,

rom Cvens dasaxelebaSivea

asaxuli “evraziuli” momen-

ti. keTili da patiosani, mag-

ram me yvela saR Wkuaze myof

oponents mivmarTav: jer er-

Ti, Cveni gamokiTxvis meTodi-

ka absoluturad Ria da gam-

Wvirvalea, xelze gvaaqvs Sev-

sebuli aanketebi daa maaT aaraa-

vis vumaalaavT (gansxvavebiT

amerikuli organizaciebis -

airai-endiais principisagan,

damalon meTodika da miT uf-

ro, gamoyenebuli anketebi);

meore daa mTaavaari: mzaad vaarT,

xelmeored CaavaataaroT gaamo-

kiTxvaa - oponenti orgaanizaa-

ciebis waarmomaadgenlebTaan er-

Taad, paaritetul saawyisebze.

dae yvela Tavad darwmundes,

Cvens mier Catarebuli gamo-

kiTxvis Sedegebis realobaSi.

vgoneb, rom visac simarTle

ainteresebs, am winadadebas

unda daTanxmdes.

ioseb arCvaZe, profe-

sori, damoukidebeli eqsper-

ti:

didi interesiT gavecani

evraziis institutis mier Ca-

tarebuli gamokiTxvis „sa-

qarTvelos mosaxleobis da-

mokidebuleba natosa da aSS-

sadmi“ Sedegebs. sul ramdeni-

me kviris win (2014 wlis no-

embris Sua ricxvebSi) Cata-

rebuli gamokiTxva ar mie-

kuTvneba rigiT socialur Tu

koniunqturul kvlevebs, ro-

melTa Sedegebis prezentaci-

as did drosa da sivrces uT-

moben Tanamedrove mediasaSua-

lebebi. es gamokiTxva rezo-

nansulia upirveles yovlisa,

Tavisi TematikiT, radganac

igi exeba aqtualur, Cveni

qveynisaTvis faqtobrivad

bedganmsazRvrel problemas.

sanam uSualod miRebul

Sedegebs Sevexebodi, minda

aRvniSno gamokiTxvis sakmaod

maRal, akademiur doneze Ca-

tareba, rac gulisxmobs Ser-

Cevis velis sworad SerCevas

da maRal reprezentatulo-

bas. – 1718 respondenti sav-

sebiT sakmarisia damajerebe-

li, sarwmuno informaciis mi-

saRebad. SedarebisaTvis vity-

vi, rom es cifri 52 procen-

tia saqarTvelosa da mis

calkeul regionebis Siname-

urneobebis mixedviT Semosav-

lebisa da xarjebis kvlevi-

saTvis SerCeuli responden-

tebis raodenobisa (sul 3350

Sinameurneoba), romlebsac

jeradad met kiTxvarsa da

formularze uwevT pasuxebis

gacema. ase rom, gamokvlevis

Sedegebs sakmaod maRali le-

gitimacia aqvT. amis gaTva-

liswinebiT, gaamokvlevis Se-

degebi SeiZlebaa 2008 wlis

saaprezidento aarCevnebis paaraa-

leluraad Caataarebuli ple-

biscitis Sedegebis moraalur

saapirwonedaac ki gaamodges (ma-

Sin, mogexsenebaT, Sedegebis

dajamebisas „ratomRac“ oTx-

jer moxda natos mxardamWeri

mosaxleobis wilis cvlile-

ba... zrdis mimarTulebiT).

gamokvlevis respondentTa

SerCevaSi genderuli Tana-

fardoba TiTqmis „balistiku-

ri sizustiTaa“ ganxorcie-

lebuli (kvlevaSi - mamakace-

bi/qalebi: 48.5/51.5%, saqarT-

velos mosaxleobaSi, Sesaba-

misad - 47.7/52.3%). aseve, sa-

kmaod maRalia asakobrivi

niSniT respondentTa ganawi-

lebis Tanxvedra saqarTvelos

mosaxleobis Sesabamis asakob-

riv ganawilebasTan.

gamokiTxvam aCvena saaqaarT-

velos mosaaxleobis caalsaaxaa

uaaryofiTi daamokidebulebaa

naatosaa daa aaSS-iis saamxedro

operaaciaaTaa zonebSi saaqaarTve-

los SeiaaraaRebuli Zaalebis

monaawileobaaze - aRniSnuls

mxars uWers gamokiTxulTa

mxolod 16 procenti, maSin

rodesac uaryofiTadaa gan-

wyobili TiTqmis 4-jer meti

- 62 procenti. amasTan, rac

ufro maRali asakobrivi

jgufis warmomadgenlebTan

gvaqvs saqme, miT ufro nega-

tiuria damokidebuleba (sa-

pensio asakis mosaxleobaSi -

mxolod 8.3%). mxardamWere-

bis kontingenti, procentu-

lad, yvelaze maRalia 25 wl-

amde respondentebSi - aq ma-

Ti wili 24.5 procenti,

Tumca am asakobriv jgufSi

aRniSnuli garemoebisadmi ne-

gatiuri damokidebulebis

mqoneTa raodenoba mxardamWe-

rTa raodenobas TiTqmis or-

jer aRemateba (49.4%).

yoveli 10 gamokiTxuli-

dan 3 respondenti (29%)

aSS-s saqarTvelos megobrad

miiCnevs. Tumca maTi 4/5-ic ki

(81.2%) Tvlis, rom isini

arasaTanadod exmarebian sa-

qarTvelos. amasTan, yoveli

meeqvse gaamokiTxuli (17%)

aaSS-ss miiCnevs mtraad. mxo-

lod 25 wlamde axalgazr-

debSia es maCvenebeli dabal

doneze (11.2%), danarCeni asa-

kobrivi jgufebis mixedviT

igi meryeobs 14.6%-dan

20.1%-mde, rac seriozuli

dafiqrebisaTvis unda ga-

nawyobdes xelisuflebas.

gamokiTxvam aCvena, rom

plebiscitis SemTxvevaaSi

ideaa saaqaarTvelos naatoSi

saaqaarTvelos gaawevriaanebis

Sesaaxeb daamaarcxdebodaa - maas

mxaars daauWerdaa mosaaxleo-

bis 1/33-zze naaklebi, maaSin ro-

caa winaaaaRmdeg xmaas miscemdaa

2/5. unda vivaraudoT, rom

is 16%-iani kontingenti,

romelic ar wavidoda ple-

biscitze, isinic didwilad

natoSi saqarTvelos gawev-

rianebis mowinaaRmdegeebi

arian. aseTTa rigebs me maRa-

li albaTobiT mivakuTvneb-

di im 12 procentis did na-

wilsac, romelmac Tavi Sei-

kava pasuxis gacemisagan.

mosaxleobas, miuxedavad

propagandistuli kliSeebisa

da permanentuli „tvinis ga-

morecxvisa“, sakmaod maRal

doneze aqvs erovnuli TviT-

Senaxvisa da gadarCenis ins-

tinqti (ase rom ar yofili-

yo, qarTveli eri verc gauZ-

lebda saukuneTa qartexi-

lebs). swored am instinqtis

safuZvelzea gakeTebuli das-

kvna, rom naatoSi gaawevriaane-

baaze kursis gaagrZelebaa daaZaa-

baavs ruseTTaan urTierTobebs.

ruseTTan urTierTobebis ga-

uaresebas am SemTxvevaSi va-

raudobs 8-jer meti respon-

denti imaTTan SedarebiT,

romlebic SesaZleblad miiC-

neven am urTierTobebis gaum-

jobesebas (Sesabamisad, 64%

da 8%).

nato da aSS: ra informacia

dabloka qarTulma masmediam?

22 saerTo gazeTi #1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w.

zogi 37-maneTian bileTs

mistiris, ruseTSi rom Cadi-

oda taniasTan da galiasTan

da isinic rom gulSi krusu-

niT ixutebdnen. qarTveli

vaJkaci ki mxolod mogrZo

TmiT da mercxlis kudiviT

gaSlili yuryuma ulvaSiT ki

ar midioda ruseTSi, iRlia-

Si amoCrili Sampanuri an ko-

niakic mihqonda da marTlac

saocreba ambavia dRes, magram

arc 37 maneTi enaneboda. xar-

javda fuls, gadioda gzas,

raTa stumreboda qalbatons.

maSin verc TviTon da

verc veravin warmoidgenda,

rom male ise Seicvleboda

yvelaferi, qalebi daiwyebd-

nen e.w. nadirobas mamakacebze,

qalebi Caidebdnen ubeSi Sam-

panuris boTls da mamakacTa

mosaxiblad 37 maneTze metis

daxarjvasac ar moeridebod-

nen.

mokled, raRa bevri gavag-

rZelo da erT ambavs movyve-

bi, romelic wlevandeli axa-

li wlis wina dReebSi erT

Cems nacnobs SeemTxva.

`29 dekemberi iyo. dili-

dan biWebi ubanSi videqiT,

vmaslaaTobdiT, yvela umuSe-

vari varT, sigaretis fulic

ar gvaqvs. axali weli ax-

lovdeboda da arc imis ime-

di gvqonda, momaval wels sa-

muSaos rom viSovidiT da

ojaxs da mcirewlovan Svi-

lebs patara saCuqriT rom

mainc gavaxarebdiT. ase iyo,

roca moulodnelad quCis

kuTxeSi Savi jipi gamoCnda.

Cveni mezobeli parlamentari

ki icvlis jipebs fexsacme-

lebiviT, magram mis manqanas

vcnobdiT. es is ar iyo. ami-

tom biWebma yurebi da Tvale-

bi vcqviteT da gakvirvebac

ki ver movaxerxeT kargad,

rom Savi jipi Cvens fexebTan

gaCerda.

_ gamarjobaT, _ odnav ga-

moyo Tavi manqanidan maRal

modaze Cacmulma, movlilma

da aSkarad cxovrebiT kmayo-

filma, ase, 55-60 wlis

qalbatonma.

_ getyobaT, Zaan gatexil-

Si xarT. rame problema xom

araa. am ubanSi maqvs bavSvoba

gatarebuli. axlobelTan vi-

yavi. rameSi xom ar dagexma-

roT. Tu gindaT, qalaqSi ga-

giyvanTo.

samni viyaviT. me win dav-

jeqi, biWebi ukan moTavsdnen.

gzaSi erTmaneTi gavica-

niT. nacnobebic aRmogvaCnda

da advilad gavSinaurdiT.

gmirTa moedans rom mivuax-

lovdiT, qalbatonma Tqva,

modi, barem saRamo dgeba: 4

saaTia, Cems gogoebs gavuvli

da vakeSi restoran `senat-

Si~ davsxdeT. ufro axlos

gavicnoT erTmaneTio.

uars vin giJi ityoda as-

eT rameze? biWebi lamis aW-

ixvindnen ukana savarZelze.

kacma rom Tqvas, dilas yavac

ki ar mqonda daleuli. xom

giTxariT, 29 dekemberi iyo,

manana, Cemi coli, dilidan

mebuzRuneboda: am axal wels

ojaxis mSieri datoveba ro-

gor SeiZleba, gogia uiSvili

gjobda, imas qaTami da xaWa-

puri hqonda, Cvens macivarSi

ki araferi devs tomatmimxma-

ri qilis gardao.

gzaSi qalbatonma megob-

rebs daureka da sanam `senat-

Si~ mividodiT, daaxloebiT

misi asakis `gogoebi~ Tavian-

Ti manqanebiT ukve idgnen

restornis win.

megobrebma zRapruli

sufra gaaSlevines. daiwyo

qeifi. SekveTili simRerebi,

cekvebi, Tavbrudamxvevi gar-

Toba. isedac danervozebule-

bi viyaviT biWebi da aseTi

tuzi rom dagveca, ra xdebo-

da Cvens Tavs, TviTonac ver

vxvdebodiT. am aurzaurSi

erTmaneTis gaognebul Tva-

lebs Tu wavawydebodiT, To-

rem, marTali unda vTqva, am

moulodnelobis gamo lapa-

rakis Tavic ki ar gvqonda.

erTi-orjer mananam damireka.

davamSvide, male moval-meTqi,

magram mere, albaT, aTjer ma-

inc vnaxe misi darekili,

Tumca im xmaurSi, valsebsa

da tangos Soris Sesvenebis

periodSi telefonsac veRar

vpasuxobdi, qalbatonebis

kiskisi iklebda iqaurobas.

Ramis ori saaTi iqneboda

dawyebuli, `gogoebma~ ikiT-

xes _ saxlebisken ar wavide-

To? ki, batono, rogorc

ityviT-Tqo, vuTxariT. ubni-

dan rom wamogviyvana, res-

tornis Tanxa im qalbatonma

gadaixada. gareT gamovediT.

jibeebi carieli gvqonda,

Tumca taqsiT wavalT-Tqo,

mainc vTqviT da dasamSvido-

beblad gavuwodeT xeli qal-

batonebs. ar vicodiT, mad-

loba ra formiT unda gveTq-

va.

_ axla CemTan wavideT, _

Tqva uceb Cvenma maspinZelma.

kacma aseT dros uari ro-

gor unda Tqva?

luRluRi daviwyeT me da

biWebma. SezarxoSebulic vi-

yaviT...

zustad arc maxsovs, ro-

gor aRmovCndi pirvelad gac-

nobili qalbatonis manqanaSi

da biWebi erTi erT qalba-

tonTan, meore _ meoresTan.

ar vici, masvami rom viya-

vi, imitom, Tu marTla ase

iyo, im qalbatonis saxli

namdvil muzeums hgavda. yava

rom davlieT da misi Semo-

Tavazebuli sigarac gavabo-

leT, aqafebul jakuzSi Cams-

va da sakuTari xeliT damba-

na. mere ucnauri SuqiT gana-

Tebul saZinebelSi SevediT.

iseTi zRapruli Rame

cxovrebaSi marTla arasdros

mqonia. es iyo saswauli...

diliT adre mananas zarma

gamaRviZa. kioda sawyali. mTe-

li Rame ar miZinia, sad xar,

dedaSens 200 aqvs wneva,

cocxali Tu xar, droze sax-

lSi modio.

sawols gadavxede. qalba-

tons Rrmad eZina gverdiT

sawolze.

lamis iyo, metira. zeg

axali weli dgeboda. am fan-

tastikuri Ramis Semdeg

axal wels puriT da dedaCe-

mis gakeTebuli olivies sa-

laTiT unda SevxvedrodiT.

gamaxsenda, saSinlad ver vi-

tandi am salaTs...

frTxilad daviwye Cacma.

karebisken rom gaveSure,

qalbatonis xma momesma:

_ sarkesTan fuli devs,

aiRe. rac aris, yvela aiRe,

Senia, gekuTvnis!!.

sastik uarze davdeqi, mag-

ram ise mkacrad miTxra, uars

azri aRar hqonda...

zustad 500 dolari aR-

moCnda. fuli gadavanawile.

300 dolari meore jibeSi

Cavide da gareT gamovedi.

saxlSi mivedi. manana co-

ta rom dawynarda, 200 do-

lari gavuwode:

_ midi, bazarSi rame iyi-

de. xval bevri xalxi iqneba

da damiwyeb wuwuns, adeqi,

dRes wadi, _ vuTxari me.

fuli rom dainaxa, axla

amaze atexa erTi ambavi _ mo-

ipare, iTamaSe, ojaxi daRu-

pe?

_ Zmakacs gaumarTla, ra-

Rac saqme gamouvida, gagviyo

biWebs. wadi, nu kivi, Tavi

mtkiva-meTqi, _ davamSvide.

Tavi marTla mtkioda. sa-

Sinlad daRlili viyavi. wa-

movweqi da mkvdariviT CameZi-

na. rom gamovfxizldi, Zma-

kacs davureke: xom cocxle-

bi xarT, xom kargad xarT-

Tqo.

_ ki, kio, _ uxalisod da

areulad mipasuxes.

_ ara uSavs, _ gavifiqre

gulSi. meZavebic ase iwyebd-

nen-meTqi da kedlisken Sevb-

rundi. ar vicodi, ra iqnebo-

da xval~...

...es istoriaa reaaluriaa

daa maarTlaa gaadaaxdaa Taavs Cems

naacnobs.

hodaa, maarTlaa raa iqnebaa

xvaal?!


mamakacebze

monadireni

qarTul mwvanils `rosselxoznadzoris~ mcenareTa karantinis centrSi SeamowmebensursaTis erovnuli saagentosa da ruseTis fitosanitariuli zedamxedvelobis samsaxuris

xelmZRvanelebma saqarTvelodan ruseTSi mwvanilis eqsportTan dakavSirebul wesebis dadge-

nis dokuments moaweres xeli.

soflis meurneobis saministros cnobiT, berlinis saerTaSoriso gamofenis — „mwvane kvi-

reuli 2015“ — farglebSi, saqarTvelos sursaTis erovnuli saagentos xelmZRvanelma, za-

za doliZem da „rosselxoznadzoris“ xelmZRvanelma, sergei denkvertam xeli moaweres do-

kuments, romlis Tanaxmad, saqarTvelos teritoriaze laboratoriuli eqspertizis saxelm-

wifo sistemis Camoyalibebamde mxareebi mwvanilis fitosanitariuli serTificirebis winmsw-

reb procedurebs erToblivad Caatareben.

amave informaciiT, produqcias ruseTis teritoriaze Sesvlisas yvela saWiro laborato-

riuli analizi da eqspertiza „rosselxoznadzoris“ daqvemdebarebaSi arsebul mcenareTa ka-

rantinis centrSi Cautardeba.

23saerTo gazeTi#1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w.

xedi; saqarTvelos Tav-yuri baliSze

aqvs midebuli da Zil-buranSi xan

NATO-ze abodebs, xan _ evroojaxsada raRac dasavlur Rirebulebze, ru-

seTi ki moqmedebs.

ra gamodneba NATO-s wevri Turqe-Tisa da NATO-s mteri ruseTis me-gobrobidan sabolood, vnaxavT, magram

mocemul momentSi rom maTi interese-

bi erTmaneTs emTxveva regionSi, Ta-

vadve ganacxades.

gadavxedoT viTarebas _ `NATO-smamebis~ gancxadebebiT Cans, rom ukra-

inisa da saqarTvelos `Svilad ayvana~

karga xniT gadaifiqres (sakiTxavia,

rodesme fiqrad mainc Tu gauvliaT?)

am dros ruseTma yirimi mii-

erTa. sityvierad _ ukraina

ebrZvis ruseTs, realurad _

ukrainaSi iseTive samoqala-

qo omia, rogoric 90-ian

wlebSi TbilisSi iyo, im

gansxvavebiT, rom ukrainis

prezidenti Sanss ar uSvebs

ruseTis umaRles pirebs da-

elaparakos; saqarTvelo _

Tavs ifasebs, eSinia, `nacban-

dam~ `ruseTumeoba~ da ala-

sanias `sastavma~ èvroat-

lantikuri kursidan gadax-

veva~ ar daabralos.

2021 wlis noembrisTvis,

rogorc `saxelSekrulebo

kanoniereba~ gviTiTebs, ba-

Tumi TurqeTis iqneba da...

saqarTvelos orma mezo-

belma, `gakerketebulma bi-

Webma~ gazsadeniT daiwyes

Seamxanageba _ imdeni ìxtu-

nava~ evropam, gazis pirdapiri miwode-

bis gza daekarga Tvalsa da xels Sua.

viRacam Tqva, gaikeTon is mili erT

adgilzeo _ maT ki ara, saqarTvelos

uxdeba ase `saamayo~ milsadeni erT

adgilas gasakeTebeli, radgan saqarT-

velos urCeba àbsaidSi~. da saerTod,

mTlianad saqarTvelo rCeba absaidSi

rogorc geostrategiulad, ise yo-

velmxriv... milsadeni ki ara, isic ki

sakiTxavia, erT dilas sad gaviRviZebT

da ra gverqmeva, radgan ki aravin amog-

vJuJavs, ubralod, axali realoba iq-

neba da im realobaSi mogviwevs saku-

Tari Tavebis Zebna. gavixdenoT puti-

nis yofili mrCevlis andrei ilario-

novis gancxadeba.

`Tu kremlis agresiis SeCereba uk-

rainaSi ver moxerxda, putinma, SesaZ-

loa, ieriSi sxva qveynebzec miitanos,

maT Soris moldovaze, saqarTvelosa

da baltiis qveynebze.

...axla midis avareT-kaxeTis gzat-

kecilis rekonstruqcia, romelic

momdevno wels, SesaZloa, aRmosavleT

saqarTveloSi samxedro teqnikis mi-

wodebis arxad iqces _ ruseTis genS-

tabs somxeTsa da mTian yarabaRSi sax-

meleTo derefani esaWiroeba _ am Sem-

TxvevaSi azerbaijanidan saqarTvelos

gavliT TurqeTSi mimavali milsadene-

bi gadaiWreba. vin gauwevs mas winaaR-

mdegobas~.

arcTu umniSvneloa germaniis kanc-

leris, angela merkelis mokled naT-

qvami frazac _ evropaSi usafrTxoe-

bis uzrunvelyofa ruseTTan erTad

gvsurs da ara mis winaaRmdeg!...

P.S. vvaannggaamm ccnnoobbiill qqaarrTTvveell ffssiiqqoo-

aannaalliittiikkooss ggiiaa ssuullaaqqvveelliiZZeess ggaassuullii

ssaauukkuunniiss 9900-iiaann wwlleebbSSii uuTTxxrraa:: `̀qqaarr-

TTvveelleebbii iimmaavvee mmiiwwaazzee ggaaaaggrrZZeelleebbTT

ccxxoovvrreebbaass,, rroommeellzzeecc aaxxllaa ccxxoovvrroobb-

TToo~~ ddaa eess ssiittyyvveebbii ggaauuggeebbaarrii iiyyoo mmaa-

SSiinn;;

vvaannggaamm iiwwiinnaasswwaarrmmeettyyvveellaa ddaa TTqqvvaa,,

rroomm kkoonnkkrreettuullii wwiinnaasswwaarrmmeettyyvveelleebbaa

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eess ggaaffrrTTxxiilleebbaa mmnniiSSvvnneelloovvaannii iiqqnneebboo-

ddaa ssaammoommaavvlloodd:: `̀ssuull uuffrroo xxSSiirraadd

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aaqqvvTT,, mmaaggrraamm vveerraaffeerrss xxeeddaavveenn;; yyuurreebbii

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ddaattoovveebbeenn TTaavviiaannTT SSvviilleebbss...... yyvveellaa ssaa-

kkuuTTaarrii TTaavviiss ggaaddaarrCCeennaazzee iizzrruunneebbss......

iiss,, rraacc ggaaeerrTTiiaannddaa __ nnaawwiilleebbaadd ddaaiiSS-

lleebbaa __ eess rruusseeTTiiss ggvveerrddiiTT mmooxxddeebbaa..

yyvveellaaffeerrii iizzrrddeebbaa rrooggoorrcc yyiinnuullii,,

mmxxoolloodd eerrTTii rrCCeebbaa xxeellSSeeuuxxeebbeellii __

vvllaaddiimmeerriiss ddiiddeebbaa,, rruusseeTTiiss ddiiddeebbaa!!

ZZaalliiaann ddiiddii mmssxxvveerrppllii iiqqnneebbaa...... rruu-

sseeTTss vveerraavviinn SSeeaaCCeerreebbss...... TTaavviiss ggzzaazzee

iiss yyvveellaaffeerrss ggaaddaaTTeellaavvss ddaa aarraa TTuu

TTvviiTTmmyyooffaaddoobbaass SSeeiinnaarrCCuunneebbss,, mmssooff-

lliioo mmbbrrZZaanneebbeelliicc ggaaxxddeebbaa..~~

ssaaggaarreejjooss rraaiioonniiss ssooffeell ggiioorr-

ggiiwwmmiinnddiiss RRvvTTiissmmSSoobblliiss ssaaxxeelloobbiiss

ttaaZZrriiss wwiinnaammZZRRvvaarrii mmaammaa ggiioorrggii ((ppaavv-

lloovvii)),, rroommlliiss ggaammooccxxaaddeebbeebbiissaa ddaa wwii-

nnaasswwaarrmmeettyyvveelloobbeebbiiss SSeessaaxxeebb aarraa eerr-

TTxxeell iiTTqqvvaa:: `̀rruusseeTT-TTuurrqqeeTTiiss oommii ddaa-

iiwwyyeebbaa ddaa TTuurrqqeeTTii ggaaqqrreebbaa.. ssaaqqaarrTTvvee-

lloo ggaammTTlliiaannddeebbaa,, ddaaiibbrruunneebbss TTaavviiss

ZZiirrZZvveell mmiiwweebbss,, rraa TTqqmmaa uunnddaa,, ttaaoo-

kkllaarrjjeeTTssaacc.. vviissTTaann iiqqnneebbaa oommii?? rruu-

sseebbss qqaarrTTvveelleebbss ddaa bbeerrZZnneebbss oommii eeqqnnee-

bbaaTT iimmaassTTaann,, vviissTTaannaacc ssaauukkuunneeeebbiiss mmaann-

ZZiillzzee hhqqoonnddaaTT......~~

ddiiddii aallbbaaTToobbiiTT rraa `̀ppeerrssppeeqqttiivvaa~~

aaqqvvss ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss,, mmookklleedd vvTTqqvviiTT,, mmaagg-

rraamm wwyyaallwwaaRReebbuullii rroomm xxaavvssss eebbRRaauuWWee-

bbaa ddaa iimmeeddii bboollooss qqrreebbaa,, eessiicc xxoomm

ffaaqqttiiaa,, aammiittoomm eeggeebb ttvviinnii,, xxeellii ddaa eennaa

eerrTTddrroouullaadd ggaavvaannZZrriiooTT yyvveellaamm eerr-

TTaadd??

giorgi CxeiZe

20 gv.

diax, batonebo, 2021 wels aWaras,

yarsis xelSekrulebis Tanaxmad,

`kanonierad~ waiRebs TurqeTi

mmiimmddiinnaarree ppoolliittiikkuurr pprroocceesseebbTTaann

ddaakkaavvSSiirreebbiiTT vveessaauubbrreebbiiTT bbaattoonn Te-mur mirianaSvils..

__ bbaattoonnoo TTeemmuurr,, ppaarriizzSSii mmoommxxddaarr

tteerraaqqttTTaann ddaakkaavvSSiirreebbiiTT,, mmTTeell mmssooff-

lliiooSSii mmooxxddaa ccaallmmxxrriivvii SSeeffaasseebbeebbii,,

kkeerrZZoodd,, ddaaiiggmmoo tteerraaqqtteebbii,, TTuummccaa mmii-

zzeezzeebbzzee aarraavviinn ssaauubbrroobbss.. ffaaqqttoobbrrii-

vvaadd,, ddaassaavvlleeTTss ggaauuWWiirrddaa ssiimmaarrTTlliiss

TTqqmmaa,, rraamm ggaammooiiwwvviiaa yyoovveelliivvee,, TTqqvveenn

rrooggoorr SSeeaaffaasseebbddiiTT aamm mmoovvlleennaass??

_ adamianebi dasaRupad gasa-

metebeli, cxadia, ar arian, mag-

ram mizezi unda iTqvas. mTava-

ri aris is, rom `̀ddaassaavvlleeTTiiss

`̀ddeemmookkrraattiiaa~~ sinamdvileSi

aarriiss pprrooffaannaacciiaa. is,

rom kaci iyos de-

mokratiisa da sity-

vis Tavisuflebis

momxre da unda agi-

nos meore kacs anu

mahmadians, es uaz-

robaa. aq me erTi

anekdoti maxsendeba,

erT kacs ekiTxebian,

is, meore, ratom aris gabrazebuli

Senzeo da pasuxobs, dedas vagineb da

swyinso. ase moxda aqac. arsebobs

wminda Rirebulebebi, romelsac ar

unda Seexo. am SemTxvevaSi Seexnen

mahmadianTa rreelliiggiiaass,, mmaaTTTTvviiss uummTTaavv-

rreessss __ SSeeddeeggiicc mmiiiiRReess!! rreelliiggiiiiss ggii-

nneebbaa ddeemmookkrraattiiaa ddaa ssiittyyvviiss TTaavviissuuff-

lleebbaa aarr ggaaxxllaavvTT!! magram ra gaewyoba,

es aris ddaassaavvlleeTTiiss ttoottaalluurrii ppoollii-

ttiikkaa.. rodesac ers religias waarTmev,

is aris ukve pirutyvi, romelsac sa-

dac ginda, iqiT gadadeni, _ ai aqeTaa

yvelaferi mimarTuli.

vfiqrob, es dausrulebeli proce-

sia, dasavleTi Tavisas ar daiSlis da

mahmadianuri samyaro ki amas arasodes

ar Seegueba, amitom, sul ufro da

ufro daiZabeba maT Soris urTierTo-

ba.

axlaxan movismine dasavleTis mo-

qalaqis pozicia, roca man Tqva, rom

Tu ase gagrZeldeba procesebi, is mah-

madianebi, romlebic zomier pozicias

ikaveben, isinic gadavlen islamiste-

bis mxareso, _ es seriozuli ganacxa-

dia da realuri.

__ mmiiggaaCCnniiaaTT,, rroomm eess JJuurrnnaallii `̀SSaarr-

llii eebbddoo~~ ssaattiirruullii xxaassiiaaTTiissaaaa??

__ cxadia, ara, is aranair satira-

sa da iumors ar ganekuTvneba. is aris

epataJi, yvelafris kadrebiT surT,

rom gaiCinon mkiTxveli. vinaidan da-

savleTis ofiaiclur politikas emsa-

xurebian, hyavT damfinanseblebic,

cxadia. sinamdvileSi es aris sityvis

Tavisuflebis profanacia.

__ JJuurrnnaalliiss rreeddaaqqcciiiiss ggaarrddaa,, iiqq

mmooxxddaa eebbrraauull mmaaRRaazziiaazzee TTaavvddaaaassxxmmaacc..

rraamm ggaammooiiwwvviiaa eess yyvveellaaffeerrii??

_ mahmadianebs Zalian garTulebu-

li aqvT urTierToba ebraelebTan,

Tumca, TviTon dasavleTi saSinlad

epyroboda ebraelebs wina saukuneeb-

Si, uamravi ebraeli daxoces da gaa-

nadgures, es xom faqtia. dRes ki ma-

Ti politika mTeli aradasavleli

xalxis pirutyvad gadaqcevis

mcdelobaa da meti araferi.

Tumca, xSirad Tavis dage-

bul xafangSi Tavad var-

debian, amitomac aris,

rom radikali islamiste-

bis ricxvi ase izrdeba.

__ ssxxvvaaTTaa SSoorriiss,, iiqq

iieessoossaa ddaa ddeeddaa

RRvvTTiissmmSSoobblliiss kkaarrii-

kkaattuurreebbiicc iiyyoo......

__ sakmaod bevri

iyo, magram kaToli-

kur protestan-

tulma samyarom ama-

ze Tvali daxuWa,

imitom, rom dRes

iq religiac politizirebulia. sa-

bednierod, marTlmadideblurma samya-

rom Tavisi pozicia daiWira da reli-

giis Seuracxyofaze Tavisi gancxade-

ba gaakeTa. aqve aRvniSnavdi, rom da-

savleTi aqtiurad nergavs da propa-

gandas eweva homoseqsualizmisa mTel

evropaSi, CvenSic Seecadnen, Tumca

amaod. roca religias waSli da ho-

moseqsualizms danergav, iq eri wamx-

daria. dasavleTSi gabatonebulia az-

ri, rom isini imdenad kargebi arian,

rom mahmadianebs SurT maTi keTil-

dReobis da imitom atareben tero-

ristul aqtebs. sinamdvileSi mizezi

is aris, rom rraammddeenniimmee ssaauukkuunneeaa,, ddaa-

ssaavvlleeTTmmaa ssiissxxllii ggaauuSSrroo mmaahhmmaaddiiaanneebbss,,

ddRReess kkii uukkvvee mmaaTT zznneeoobbrriivv ssaayyrrddeenneebbss

SSeeeexxnneenn.. yvelafers akeTeben mahmadia-

nobis demonizaciisTvis, amitom sru-

liad darwmunebuli var, rom tero-

rizmi arasodes ar damTavrdeba, is

sul iqneba, sanam iarsebebs dasavle-

Tis samyaro.

__ ddRReess,,

rrooddeessaacc ssaaqqaarr-

TTvveelloo eevvrroo-

kkaavvSSiirrSSii ggaaeerr-

TTiiaanneebbaazzee ooccnnee-

bboobbss,, mmaassaacc xxoomm

aarr eemmuuqqrreebbaa

ssaaffrrTTxxee??

__ ra Tqma

unda, emuqreba,

pirvel rigSi,

Cvens religi-

as, ddiidd ssaaffrr-

TTxxeeSSii vvaaggddeebbTT

aammiiTT,, uummeetteessoo-

bbaa SSeeiiZZlleebbaa

ggaaxxddeess kkaaTToo-

lliikkee ddaa pprrootteessttaannttii aann sseeqqttaannttii __

eess sseerriioozzuullii ssaaffrrTTxxeeaa!! dasavleTis

fetiSizacia unda Sewydes qarTuli

sainformacio saSualebebis mxridan.

PP..SS.. momxdari faqtis Semdeg ori

komentari iyo saintereso. iissllaammiissttee-

bbiiss lliiddeerriiss,, iieemmeenniiss oorrggaanniizzaacciiiiss mmee-

TTaauurriiss nnaassiirr aall aannrriiss aazzrriiTT __ `̀ssaaff-

rraannggeeTTii `̀ssaattaanniiss ppaarrttiiaass~~ eekkuuTTvvnniiss,,

xxoolloo rroommiiss ppaappii ffrraanncciisskkii mmiiiiCCnneevvss,,

rroomm vviinncc rrwwmmeennaass ddaasscciinniiss,, ssaappaassuuxxoo

ddaarrttyymmaass uunnddaa eellooddooss..

eTer kasreliSvili559999 111100 220000

vidre dasavleTi

iarsebebs, terorizmi

ar moispoba msoflioSi

saerTo gazeTi #1 (313), 21.I, 2015 w.

C M Y K

`saerTo gazeTis~ mkiTx-

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-Tqvens kiTxvas amomwu-

ravad upasuxebs samoqalaqo

kodeqsis 22- e muxli.

muxli 22. piris ga-

mocxadeba gardacvlilad

1. piri SeiZleba sasamar-

Tlos wesiT gamocxaddes

gardacvlilad, Tu mis

sacxovrebel adgilas xuTi

wlis ganmavlobaSi ar moi-

poveba cnobebi am piris ad-

gilsamyoflis Sesaxeb, ag-

reTve, Tu igi ugzo-ukvlod

daikarga iseT garemoebaSi,

romelic mas sikvdils

uqadda, anda savaraudoa mi-

si daRupva raime ubeduri

SemTxvevis gamo da aseTi

cnobebi eqvsi Tvis ganmav-

lobaSi ar moipoveba.

2. samxedro mosamsaxure

an sxva piri, romelic ug-

zo-ukvlod daikarga saomar

moqmedebasTan dakavSirebiT,

SeiZleba sasamarTlo wesiT

gamocxaddes gardacvlilad

ara uadres ori wlis gasv-

lisa saomari moqmedebis

damTavrebis dRidan.

3. piris gardacvalebis

dRed miiCneva misi gardacv-

lilad gamocxadebis Sesa-

xeb sasamarTlos gadawyve-

tilebis kanonier ZalaSi

Sesvlis dRe.

4. am muxlis pirveli da

me-2 nawilebiT gaTvaliswi-

nebul SemTxvevebSi sasamar-

Tlos SeuZlia piris sikv-

dilis dRed aRiaros misi

savaraudo daRupvis dRe.

damatebiT gagacnobT ga-

rdacvlilad gamocxadebu-

li piris dabrunebiT gamow-

veul samarTlebriv Sede-

gebs.

muxli 23. gardacvli-

lad gamocxadebulis dab-

runebis Sedegebi

1. gardacvlilad ga-

mocxadebuli piris dabru-

nebis an misi adgilsamyof-

lis aRmoCenis SemTxvevaSi

sasamarTlo auqmebs Sesaba-

mis gadawyvetilebas.

2. dabrunebis drois mi-

uxedavad, pirs ufleba aqvs

moiTxovos is SenarCunebu-

li qoneba, romelic misi

gardacvlilad gamocxadebis

Semdeg usasyidlod gadaeca

sxva pirs.

3. is piri, romelmac

gardacvlilad gamocxadebu-

lis qoneba sasyidliT Sei-

Zina, valdebulia daubru-

nos mas es qoneba, Tu damt-

kicdeba, rom qonebis SeZeni-

sas man icoda, rom gardac-

vlilad gamocxadebuli pi-

ri cocxali iyo.

4. Tu gardacvlilad ga-

mocxadebuli piris qoneba

gadaeca saxelmwifos da man

moaxdina misi realizacia,

maSin gardacvlilad gamo-

cxadebis Sesaxeb gadawyve-

tilebis gauqmebis Semdeg

pirs ubrundeba qonebis re-

alizaciiT miRebuli Tanxa.

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Ton nebayoflobiT ar gazr-

dis, Tqven SegiZliaT, mo-

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sasamarTlo wesiT. samoqa-

laqo kanonmdebloba aseTs

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sasamarTloSi misi xelfa-

sis amsaxveli cnoba.

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samarTlis kodeqsis 79-e

muxlis me-3 nawilis „d“

qvepunqtis Sesabamisad, nasa-

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