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Burton L. Johnson, P.E., Michael Baker, Jr., Inc. Brenda Gasperich, P.E., CFM, Brown & Gay Engineering, Inc. Confessions of (Former) LID Scoffers

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Page 1: Confessions of (Former) LID Scoffersdoctorflood.rice.edu/sspeed/downloads/LID/Presentations/14_JOHNSON_GASPERICH_LID.pdfo Green Roadway –South Lamar Street, Dallas o Mixed Use Development

Burton L. Johnson, P.E., Michael Baker, Jr., Inc.Brenda Gasperich, P.E., CFM, Brown & Gay Engineering, Inc.

Confessions of (Former) LID Scoffers

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Scoff (v) – to mock at or treat with derision

• Maybe a bit overstated!• Actually – a healthy skepticism, due to:

o Clay soilso Large and intense rainfalls

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• Similar to 2010 Houston competition• Conceived to accelerate adoption, adaptation and implementation

• Hands on learning experience• 3 categories, 20 entries 

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Contest Overview• 3 Categories

o Urban Redevelopment – Central  Library, Arlingtono Green Roadway – South Lamar Street, Dallaso Mixed Use Development – Northern Crossing West

• Real Projects• Teams provided background information• Provide a LID based design• Compare to a conventional design

o Demonstrate economic and market benefits of LID 

• Must have an engineer, landscape architect, and architect

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Northern Crossing West

SITE 1

SITE 2

DETENTION/WETLAND MITIGATION

SITE 3

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Primary LID Features• Reclaim rainwater for irrigation• Bio‐swales replace storm sewers• Impervious pavers in parking areas• Establishment of native prairie vegetation

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Recycled Rainwater• Rainwater from rooftops collected into cisterns

• Used as primary irrigation source

• Non‐potable• However, water is cheap

o At least it is today!

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Bio‐Swales/Bio‐Retention•Underdrain system• Storage AND conveyance•Underdrains convey to bio‐retention

• Bio‐Retention – larger features that provide redundancy

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Pervious Pavers

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Native Prairie Vegetation

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100‐year Hydrograph• 55% reduction in peak 100‐year flowratefrom site

• 10% reduction in runoff volume

• Treatment of 1 ¾” of first flush runoff

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Cost Comparison

Sustainable DevelopmentEdward Barbier (1987)

• Traditional Development  = $7,458,595• Low Impact Concept = $6,998,400

Cost Savings of 6%

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Contest Format

• Initial Submittalo 30 Page Power Pointo 1‐2 24” x 36” posterso Reviewed by expert panel

• Finals Evento Lightning presentationo Jury Panel  ‐ influential development, civic, and government leaders

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Takeaways• There is no reason why LID cannot work in our region

• It can be competitive, but it is not necessarily “cheaper”

• Today’s Hydrologist and engineers want to model – techniques are needed to assist in direct hydrologic calculations

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• Bio‐swales and bio‐retention are tomorrow’s (or perhaps today’s) storm sewers and detention basins

• Recycling of rainwater presents a great opportunity, but as long as water costs are low it will be of less economic interest

• We are very excited about the prospects of LID – NO MORE SCOFFING!

Takeaways

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San Antonio LID Competition

• Registration due March 4• www.texaslid.org