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Finding Work: A Matter of Finding Work: A Matter of PerspectivePerspective

Presented by:Annick Lenoir-Achdjian

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Quebec Metropolis Centre—Immigration and Metropolis

Metropolis Brown Bag Session, June 5, 2009

Research team Researchers

Chief researcher Annick Lenoir-Achdjian (Social work, U. de Sherbrooke) Co-researchers Sébastien Arcand (Management, HEC) Denise Helly

(INRS-UCS) Michèle Vatz Laaroussi (Social wok, U. de Sherbrooke)

Research officers

Isabelle Drainville (Master’s in Social work, U.

de Sherbrooke) Amel Mahfoudh

(Master’s in Sociology, U. de Montréal)

* Project funded by the Social Sciences and Humanities Research Council of Canada (SSHRC) 2004–2006

Background

• In 2001– 97.6%97.6% of Moroccan-born and 98.5%98.5% Algerian-born

immigrants to Quebec could speak French

– 29.9%29.9% of Moroccan-born and 42.5%42.5% of Algerian-born immigrants to Quebec, aged 15 and over, had a university degree • This was the case for 21.8%21.8% of the immigrant

population as a whole and for 14%14% of Quebec’s total population.

• During the same period– 17.5%17.5% of Moroccan-born and 27.2%27.2% of Algerian-born

immigrants to Quebec were unemployed.

– Among those who had lived in Quebec for five years or less, the unemployment rates were 33.6% 33.6% for Moroccans and 35.4%35.4% for Algerians.• The provincial unemployment rate was 8.2%.8.2%.

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• Research question:– Why is it so difficult for these

immigrants to find work?

• Goals of today’s session:– Describe the project and its results (part

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– Describe the reactions to the results since 2004 (part 2)

– Describe the project’s outcomes (part 3)

Part 1 Project and Results

• Overall purpose of the study: To answer the research question based on the perceptions of– Job seekers from the Maghreb (specifically Algeria and Morocco)– Job counsellors who work with this clientele

• Specific objectives: – Identify the differences in perceptions between the two

stakeholder groups with regard to the needs of job seekers from the Maghreb

– Understand one another’s expectations about how to meet those needs

• The study does not – Assess job counselling programs– Verify the quality of the counselling provided– Establish whether the needs and expectations expressed are

justified

Respondents

• Semi-structured interviews (May 2004–January 2005) with– 2222 job seekers from the Maghreb (16 in Montréal, 5 in

Sherbrooke)– 15 15 job counsellors (8 in Montréal, 7 in Sherbrooke)– All interviews were conducted at the Quebec department of

immigration and cultural communities (MICC), a local employment centre or another job assistance organization.

• Selection criteria– Job seekers from the Maghreb who

• arrived in Canada after September 2001 as selected immigrants

• were 25–40 years of age• had sound knowledge of French • had secondary or post-secondary education• were participating in a labour market integration program

– Job counsellors working with clients from the Maghreb

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Analysis of the data

• Phase 1: codifying the transcripts of the interviews based on references to the job search and job counselling themes

• Phase 2: Analysing the codified results in order to:– Identify job seekers’ expectations with

respect to finding work– Identify the perceptions that various

respondents had of the obstacles facing job seekers

• Phase 3: Analysing the transcripts of the interviews based on the non-deterministic links identified

Snapshot of respondents

• Job seekers– 17 men and 5 women – Recent immigration: 10 had been in Quebec from the age

of 1 to 3, 12 had immigrated less than a year before– Highly skilled: 1 doctorate, 10 master’s, 5 licences and 6

technical diplomas– 15 had completed regulated training– 15 applications for credential recognition received: 5 full

recognitions, 10 lower recognitions

• Job counsellors– 8 women and 7 men– 13 native Quebecers, 2 born abroad– 6 had foreign work experience– Highly skilled: 4 master’s, 7 bachelor’s, 1 certificate, 3 high

school diplomas

Shared perceptions• Usual difficulties

– Quebec employers’ recognition of education and work experience acquired abroad– Joining a professional order or a regulated trade

• Difficulties specific to immigrants from the Maghreb– Insufficient knowledge of English – Very high level of education– Need for skills upgrading – Lack of professional networks–“I speak French just like other people in Quebec. I came to a place where I can adapt easily." (Noor, a Sherbrooker born in Algeria who had been in Quebec for 6 months)

– Link between the events of September 11, 2001, and the increasing difficulties faced by immigrants from the Maghreb when trying to find a job”For instance, in interviews, we often ask them ‘What do you think of terrorism? What do you think of Bin Laden? What do you think of September 11?’” (Germain, a job counsellor in Sherbrooke)

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Conflicting perceptions (1)

Perceptions of employment support services• Job seekers from the Maghreb think that they have a right

to a job because they were selected on the basis of their training, education and work experience.

• Job counsellors think these job seekers have the same rights as job seekers born in Quebec, and that, consequently, they can’t give them priority.

• Job seekers from the Maghreb think that more should be done to help them integrate into the labour market (easier access to internships, more job search assistance)

• Job counsellors think that finding work is primarily the job seeker’s responsibility.

"We’re left to our own devices. ‘Find yourself a job, look yourself…’ I was expecting them to offer me personal help and assistance to help me find a job. They asked me to go door to door [to find a job], but I can’t go door to door!" (Karim, a Montrealer born in Algeria who had been in Quebec for 9 months).

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Conflicting perceptions (2)

Intervention strategies• Job seekers want to get the kind of support that would take into

account the fact that they are new immigrants. • Job counsellors want to provide their clients with skills to find long-

term employment and to integrate into the labour market. They stress the importance of knowing the workings of Quebec’s labour market.

“What I try to make that person understand is that … the government is there to offer a little push toward an opportunity, but like it or not, the brunt of the work is still his. He will have to put in a lot more effort than the employer to go meet with him. It means that he will have to build autonomy, and in some cases, it isn’t about building autonomy, but discovering what autonomy is. Sometimes, I have to tell them ‘I won’t do it for you. I gave you the tools; it’s up to you to do the rest.’” (Luc, a job counsellor in Montréal)

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Conflicting perceptions (3))Factors behind the difficulties • According to the job seekers…

– They were cheated right from the time they were selected– They now face discrimination on the part of employers – Quebec society is closed to them

“People don’t know why we came here. We aren’t immigrants who fled a war or something. We’re independent immigrants. There are conditions. We have to go through a rigorous process to get in here, and then, employers don’t want us.” (Mohamed, a Montrealer from Morocco, who had been in Quebec for 3 years)

• According to the job counsellors, these immigrants must take responsibility for their decision to come to Quebec.

– That perspective ignores the local demographic, economic and social reality that these immigrants have to adapt to

“Many of them are disappointed about this. They tell us, ‘You brought us here!’ but ultimately, it was their choice. They filed the application.” (Hélène, a job counsellor in Montréal)

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Lenses that impede the job counselling process• All the job counsellors noted their relative powerlessness

to change the situation:– They have limited flexibility with respect to the

conditions under which they do their work or in relation to modifying job search structures.

– They have no authority to make employers hire their clientele.

– When employers act in a discriminatory manner, they have no means to take action because discrimination is indirect and implicit.

– In the case of direct discrimination, they find themselves in an uncomfortable position: report the situation and weaken the partnership, or let it slip by unnoticed in order to be able to continue putting forward candidates for positions to be filled.

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• The lenses through which job counsellors interpret the lenses through which job counsellors interpret the situationsituation can be seen as their way of coping with their sense of powerlessness in:– Carrying out their mandate (finding jobs for people) – Fulfilling their personal commitment to supporting job

seekers

• But, these lenses combine indirectly and involuntarily with the discrimination that immigrants from the Maghreb experience when looking for a job.– The arguments advanced by some of the job

counsellors seem to show that exclusion and discrimination reinforce each other.

– However, because of the small size of our sample, we cannot assume that these lenses are present among all job counsellors who work with this clientele.

– But, the results still indicate that systemic discrimination might exist.

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Part 2 Reaction to Results, Since 2004

Dissemination of results

• Three distinct time periods:– 2004-2005: 5 papers and 1 popular article– 2006-2008: 6 papers and 3 articles (including

2 scholarly articles)– 2009: 2 papers and 1 scholarly article (the

final report)

• Significant changes in how results have been received over time

Year Dissemination of results

Public Reactions

2004 1 paper - Social workers Indifference

2005 1 article (newspaper)3 papers

- General public- Social workers- Researchers- Government policy makers

•Preliminary results

– Presence of discrimination by employers

– Lack of professional networks for immigrants from the Maghreb

Year Dissemination of results

Public Reactions

20066 papers

- General public- Job counsellors- Researchers- Government policy makers

Aggressiveness / Rejection of the results

20071 paper

- Researchers- Government policy makers

2008 1 article (magazine)

- Researchers

•Preliminary result

– Presence of possible discrimination in the counselling process itself

Year Dissemination of results

Public Reactions

20092 articles (magazine)1 article (newspaper)2 papers

- General public- Job counsellors- Researchers- Government policy makers

“Interest”

• Final results

–Presence of different perceptions in the counselling process that hamper that process

–Presence of systemic discrimination that– impedes access to the labour market (employers, professional orders and regulated trades, educational equivalencies, etc.) – increases during the counselling process

Factors in the changes in how the results were received

• Further data analysis: From preliminary to final

• Refining of the results presented: From unsurprising to disturbing

• Target audience: From not very concerned by the results to extremely concerned and media interest

• Release time: Results released after the commission on reasonable accommodation

Part 3 Project Outcomes

Solution proposed by job counsellors

• Anti-discrimination strategy– Get employers to

• Think about their negative perceptions of Maghrebian clients

• Recognize that this client group is, like any group, made up of individuals with diverse qualifications and skills

• Re-focus on their primary concern: hiring competent workers

– In the long run• Requires a relationship of trust• Includes the key elements of all intercultural

communication: – Analyse employers’ needs and expectations, and

how they are interpreted– Respond to the needs expressed without validating

discriminatory attitudes

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Solutions proposed by research team• Better target information during the migration

process• Provide intercultural training for all job counsellors in

order to:– Combat their feelings of powerlessness– Help them counteract discriminatory attitudes and

behaviours on the part of employers– Improve communication between job seekers from the

Maghreb and job counsellors– Reduce the frustration that immigrants from the Maghreb

experience in the face of what they perceive as a failure by job counsellors to take into account their:• Work credentials• Efforts to integrate

• Concerted effort by various sectors of society (intersectoral policies)

• Presence of designated job counsellors at Emploi-Québec

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Project outcomes

• The MICC and Emploi-Québec are developing training in intercultural communication for all job counsellors who work with immigrant clients.

• The MICC is updating information that is provided during the migration process.

• Emploi-Québec is exploring the idea of designating some job counsellors to provide links between individual clients and the various agencies and services.

Conclusion

• For Quebec to reap the benefits of an ethnoculturally diverse labour force, a concerted effort is required from different sectors of society.

• If integrating immigrants is considered a collective responsibility, the business community must be involved in and committed to this process.

• A failure to act could be seen by immigrants as a desire to relegate them to being second-class citizens who should only have access to low-paying jobs.

• That would make it even more difficult for these newcomers to integrate into their host society and would hamper the development of a sense of belonging in Quebec and Canadian society.

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For more information• The final report can be downloaded free of charge from

the Web site of the Institute for Research on Public Policy, at http://www.irpp.org/fr/index.htm.

• Lenoir-Achdjian, A., I. Drainville, D. Helly, M. Vatz Laaroussi, S. Arcand and A. Mahfoudh (2008), “The professional insertion of immigrants born in the Maghreb: Challenges and impediments for intervention,” Journal of International Migration and Integration (JIMI), Vol. 8, No. 1, pp. 391-409.

• Arcand, S., D. Helly, A. Lenoir-Achdjian and M. Vatz Laaroussi (forthcoming). “Insertion socio professionnelle d’immigrants récents et réseaux sociaux: le cas de Maghrébins à Montréal et Sherbrooke,” Canadian Journal of Sociology / Revue canadienne de sociologie.

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