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I'm sure glad that those that are gloating are having your comments allowed to be typed here. I believe in the rights to be able to type anything that you believe as long as it follows the TOS, so type away.

really interesting when -there is a change of heart after the official statements from both parties.

A simple "Google Search" will explain further information that hasn't been stated here.

I would suggest to keep that in mind. I am not going to speculate until there is Official word.

I hope that those who are personally affected by this can achieve a satisfactory resolution.

As for me, I am eagerly awaiting both Statements.

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What fun would it be around here if we couldn't speculate on a certain issue that is so controversial. Especially for those of us who have no skin in the game on this watch. This is almost like watching tennis or ping pong with the ball being batted back and forth and the outcome will never be truly settled, even after the outcome is revealed.

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Let's wait for the official statement before we look for a conspiracy here. I'm sure both companies lawyers are hard at work on the "official statements".

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Quote:Originally Posted by jskelton

WOW. We get answers from both sources (the only two sources that matter) and still speculation has to come up????

d you honestly expect anything different?

The only answer we received from both parties is that the movement is authentic, other than that, nothing.

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Okay, but the statement hasn't even been given yet. How about waiting for that to see what all is answered?

I'm just as interested as everyone else to see how this all unfolds, but until that statement is made...

My above statement was based upon bluloo's comment of expectation and Jim's comment of surprise. Nothing else.

The comment that only the movement has been authenticated and no comments surrounding all of the other claims since this fiasco began have been answered is factual. I don't understand your interpretation of impatience.

As a matter of fact I have my and and am very patiently waiting and as Time Bandit stated "A simple "Google Search" will explain further information that

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WOW. We get answers from both sources (the only two sources that matter) and still speculation has to come up????

What answers Jim? The only thing I heard is that the movements are real?

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Nice job there Mehdi your on your game

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My point was nobody knows what's going to be addressed. So wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth prior to the release is an effort in futility. I would like to see this

"fully" addressed as much as anybody, but why cry foul before the pitch is thrown?

Because one has been repeatedly beaned in the noggin by wild pitches?

How'd Eyal do with that customs compliance issue which you so expertly explained during the last contretemps? I don't recall him addressing that, do you? I'm sorry Brbut I don't find your optimism very persuasive.

I believe this to be a matter of the highest importance. This is a business. And, in the watch biz this is called " buying time. " .. However, Jim has offered that an

which will be sufficient 'is' forthcoming. I would suggest that instead of 'speculating' that,

out of respect for Jim's hard work in the 'biz' that you all, and I mean everyone, give he and Eyal, and, whomever is involved with this elusive third party mfg/distributor the deserved and well earned chance to explain themselves and the situation before passing judgement. We are all supposed to be watch geek forum members who trust one another. Need I say more ?

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jskelton

I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on some facts.

It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker)

, in a few days. In the interim there are some facts that must be mentioned:

All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD

Mr. Chris Becker is a legitimate and correct person in the United States and does represent D-D Directly, I do apologize if I assumed otherwise.

The issues with the movement are not an outcome of DD or their module. The Technical issue has been determined to be in the Dial level placement over the

movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over the movement) Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models

This is my final statement on this matter until I release the official statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker. That will be sent to me directly to distribute.

Feel free to distribute this information wherever you'd like.......

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Because one has been repeatedly beaned in the noggin by wild pitches?

How'd Eyal do with that customs compliance issue which you so expertly explained during the last contretemps? I don't recall him addressing that, do you? I'm sorry Brad

but I don't find your optimism very persuasive.

It's not optimism. Since none of us are clairvoyant, why not wait to praise or condemn once the facts are in hand. Until that time, it's all a bunch of blather.

If n = the number of watches you have, then n + 1 = the number of watches you need!

Was there mention to where the movements were purchased?

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Thats good to hear! I'm still curious to know where all the confusion came from or started with?

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Thanks Jim for helping us clear things up.

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hasn't been released, so the answer would be no.

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jskelton


It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker)


All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD, OK the movement is authentic, nothing as to where or from whom they were purchased, DD is sticking to their

claim of not directly from them.


along with his previous emails is proven legit


movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over the movement)

Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models, just because a washer that looks like it WILL be purchased directly from DD

doesn't imply that the movement was. Actually if Invicta had worked with DD in the development of the watch the washer/clearance issue most likely would not have happened, but the last part of this statement is speculation on my part



So what actually got answered other than the authenticity of the movement and that Mr. Becker was who he claimed he was?

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So what actually got answered other than the authenticity of the movement and tha Mr. Becker was who he claimed he was?

If that's all you can see/read in Jim's post, I can't help you with reading comprehension. As I've stated here and elsewhere, why wring your hands statement and then praise or attack it.


Flyback

If that's all you can see/read in Jim's post, I can't help you with reading comprehension. As I've stated here and elsewhere, why wring your hands

statement and then praise or attack it.

That's all that Jim's statement clears up, to interpret anything else out of it is speculation which we have been asked to refrain from.

No wringing of hands here.

One hand in the popcorn and the other on the drink.

Assuming and speculation I try to refrain from, although I do sucked in every once in a while, trying to avoid the gravitational pull on this one.


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I'm gonna do as Brad and Jim says and wait patiently for the joint statement.

Mmmmmmm joint statement.

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I'm gonna do as Brad and Jim says and wait patiently for the joint statement. Mmmmmmm joint statement.

Yeah....patiently...LOL...never let a good crisis go to waste...

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ad and Jim says and wait patiently for the joint statement. Mmmmmmm joint statement.

http://ia361301.us.archive.org/4/ite...1d2t07_vbr.mp3


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lear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker)


e guaranteed to be authentic DD



movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over the movement)

Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models



Who does Mr. Chris Becker represent if not D-D ?

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Who does Mr. Chris Becker represent if not D-D ?



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forum set aside for that purpose. Read away.

http://watchgeeks.net/forumdisplay.php?f=102


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Wowzers some folks need to get out more. Here I was thinking I could get some real information out of this thread...but no, just the same old gripes and BS.

on to something that matters more to me. Wake me up when the dust has cleared J.S. All the crap you get from arm chair quarterbacks...man, it's wonder you

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This is so completely outrageous. I have not posted in a while since the whole Swiss/Swiss Made fiasco, which was no revelation to me, but a revelation with regard to how my forum mates reacted (or in many cases, didn't react) to it. Color me fed up, so I took a break from this forum. Then I come back today and I see this sh!t dripping off

That said, I have a new Invicta in the mail right now But it's an econo-job, a Pro Diver GMT on mesh I got for $68. That's the kind of watch I will buy from this company. A cheapie. I'm sure for $68 this thing will be great. I'll put it on and jump in the pool. But my "real" money goes (as it always has) elsewhere.

I hope those of you who bought DD Speedways get satisfactory information/resolution and that you can enjoy your watches if you aren't already.

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Hopefully Mr. Becker will provide an explanation for his previous statements !

Jim, stated in this post, there will be a joint statement by Eyal & Mr. Becker, on this issue!

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I don't think he could afford him!

Humm, I dunno' abow' dat!!!; i.e., ... ...

... FYI, Eyal's Dad, Abraham, just 'blew' $5,000,000 on a 'Farmer's Market' adjacent to their HQ in Fla.! ... ... ... http://mobile.sun-sentinel.com/inf/i...827&nopaging=1

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I'll see your DITTO and raise you one.

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So a joint statement by both companies to bring everyone up to date is less important that what was said before the fact. Interesting viewpoint.


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I'll see your DITTO and raise you one.

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Oh boy can't wait. Surely this will answer all the questions...NOT They will only be covering there a**. How can this Becker come out and say what he did then basically

say...Oh Nevermind!!! like Emily Litella.

Ah yes . . . the old highly respected Swiss high end movement maker is now in concert with Invicta weaving webs of deceit! Got it!


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I know people are having fun on this thread guessing what will be said and what won't be. But to be perfectly honest, NOT EVERYONE is going to be satisfied, even if the

CEO from Dubois Dupraz himself (or herself, not sure who the CEO is) and Eyal Lalo were to come to everyone's house that bought the watch and personally apologized.

All we can ask is keep it civil. If this is going to turn into a sarcasm-fest, we can just put up some trees outside and the combatants could go mark their territory on it

None of the speculation is going to do any good and all the sarcasm is going to do is escalate this thread to a point where the thread has to be closed. If we could all play

nice together until the official announcement comes out, it would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!

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Oh boy can't wait. Surely this will answer all the questions...NOT They will only be covering there a**. How can this Becker come out and say what he did then basically


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Oh boy can't wait. Surely this will answer all the questions...NOT They will only be covering there a**. How can this Becker come out and say what


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It's not optimism. Since none of us are clairvoyant, why not wait to praise or condemn once the facts are in hand. Until that time, it's all a bunch of blather.

Alright, stoicism then. But you must acknowledge during his last at bat when so many anxious fans expected Eyal to hit a home run of full disclosure, he bunted, was

thrown out, and did not advance the runner. History is not blather my friend.

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Sentinel article is very informative on how the Lalo clan conducts business!

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So once a player bunts, that's all they ever do? Keep in mind this statement is being made "jointly" with Dubois Depraz, I doubt they'll accept anything but the fact of the


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Jim, stated in this post, there will be a joint statement by Eyal & Mr. Becker, on this issue!

Note quite true, the post just simply said that a joint statement would be issued shortly ..... it made no mention of what issues would be addressed ... which is why I posted

what I did about Mr. Becker's statements also needing to be addressed.

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Bet you a Speedway (quartz) that the modules came from directly from an existing D-D customer. Don't know what that means re: D-D warranty, but as long as Invicta covers it, we should be OK.

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forum set aside for that purpose. Read away.

http://watchgeeks.net/forumdisplay.php?f=102

At your link (thanks), the screen says, "There are no posts in this forum."

Under "Display options," it says "Showing 0 to 0 of 0"

I'm new to this forum but my non-tech Dad has 2 Speedways with problems. How do you get to the threads?

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At your link (thanks), the screen says, "There are no posts in this forum."

der "Display options," it says "Showing 0 to 0 of 0"

I'm new to this forum but my non-tech Dad has 2 Speedways with problems. How do you get to the threads?

This is what I see when I click on the link.


jackson



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This is what I see when I click on the link.

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I am very glad to hear this! I do not own one, but I believe there are a lot of geeks that just had a collective sigh of relief. I am very curious to hear the formal explanation. All of the speculation, rumors, possibilites...now the facts....

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Something isn't right first he say's D-D didn't sell to Invicta, now all of a sudden it's real. Where did he get the watch so fast and have it Inspected that quick? Something is fishy. Eyal never responded yet?????

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I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on some facts. It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official

statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker) together, in a few days. In the interim there are some facts that must be mentioned:

• All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD

• Mr. Chris Becker is a legitimate and correct person in the United States and does represent D-D Directly, I do apologize if I assumed otherwise.

• The issues with the movement are not an outcome of DD or their module. The Technical issue has been determined to be in the Dial level placement over the movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over

the movement) from D-D Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models

This is my final statement on this matter until I release the official statement from

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Originally Posted by jskelton I just got off the phone with Eyal and need to update everyone on some facts.

It is now clear that there was a misunderstanding on this whole matter. An official

statement would be forthcoming by Invicta (Eyal Lalo) and D-D (Mr. Chris Becker)

together, in a few days. In the interim there are some facts that must be

mentioned:

• All movements are guaranteed to be authentic DD

• Mr. Chris Becker is a legitimate and correct person in the United States and

does represent D-D Directly, I do apologize if I assumed otherwise.

• The issues with the movement are not an outcome of DD or their module.

The Technical issue has been determined to be in the Dial level placement

over the movement and some of the hand tolerance being used - It has been

determined that by ordering the proper part (a washer to raise the dial over

the movement) from D-D Invicta can solve the problems that has occurred on some of the models

This is my final statement on this matter until I release the official statement from

Eyal and Mr. Becker. That will be sent to me directly to distribute.


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Originally Posted by watchluv Something isn't right first he say's D-D didn't sell to Invicta, now all of a sudden it's

real. Where did he get the watch so fast and have it Inspected that quick?

Something is fishy. Eyal never responded yet?????

DD may have not sold directly to Invicta and the movement will still be legit. All Invicta would need to do is give them a batch number and confirm they are real.

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DD may have not sold directly to Invicta and the movement will still be legit.

All Invicta would need to do is give them a batch number and confirm they are real.

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Thanks for passing along the information Jim, and also, thanks for re-opening this thread. Like John, I also thought it was very unlikely that these movements were not authentic ... Eyal is just too smart and too savvy too have been duped into purchase

of such a large number of replica movements. But, I would also just like to add for the record, that is not the only issue that we are looking for explanation about. So, if Eyal and Mr. Becker issue a joint statement that

only assures customers that they have an authentic movement, and leave it at that, it will leave a lot of questions open ..... just a few for example, this is not "speculation" .... these are just a few of the unanswered questions:

Eyal said on air that he obtained the movements directly from D-D .... So, why did Mr. Becker say that the owners of D-D told him they had never sold any movements to Invicta?

Eyal said on 5-27 that he was working closely with D-D to resolve the problems .... So, why did Mr. Becker say that D-D received no communication from Eyal until 6-11,

and then it was just an email to inform them that he had resolved the issue with the hands? Now, I am sure that there are legitimate explantions for this, and I hope that in

addition to addressing the authenticity of the movements, that the statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker will also clear up all of this apparent confusion.

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Seriously! I would like to see this topic rest of a little. Important people will speak

soon. Until then maybe we can find other issues to discuss. I think every possible explaination has been typed. I hope, as a group, we can stop the speculation just for a little. Thanks Jim for keeping us updated. You have a tricky role as a representative between hundreds of thousands of watch geeks and a multi-million dollar company.

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Thanks Jim. My faith in Invicta is restored and kudos to you for putting up with us. bwag829

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So now that this is a non-issue can we please move onto more important things like discussing a new diver lupah,,,stuff that really matters (lol) __________________

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I think that will take care of the negative and rummor stuff. I am sure we will see the DDs again soon. Looking forward to getting one.


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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Hopefully Mr. Becker will provide an explanation for his previous statements !

Mr. Becker hasn't retracted his previous statements. A quick google search will turn up other correspondence from Mr. Becker.

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Originally Posted by new2watches Mr. Becker hasn't retracted his previous statements.

A quick google search will turn up other correspondence from Mr. Becker.

I would be curious to see of qwickfix received another email from Mr.Becker

retracting the authentic email he originally received? Probably not.

No one knows what will be in the joint statement between DD and Invicta, it may very well clear up all pending issues. That said, until it's released what does it really matter what was said previously.

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Originally Posted by Flyback No one knows what will be in the joint statement between DD and Invicta, it may

very well clear up all pending issues. That said, until it's released what does it really

matter what was said previously.

"What does It really matter what was said previously"? Well I cant speak for anyone

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"What does It really matter what was said previously"? Well I cant speak for anyone

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Hopefully the joint statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker will address actions that people with this watch need to take, or could take, even if they aren't having operational issues with their watch at the present time.

1. Should there be a general recall of all DD Speedways, even those seemingly ok, to modify them with the extra washer, to insure reliability in the long run? 2. Should people just wait until there is a problem under their 5 year warranty? 3. Could DD Speedway owners who are concerned of a possible problem be offered

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So a joint statement by both companies to bring everyone up to date is less

important that what was said before the fact. Interesting viewpoint.

I think you are kind of twisting his words Brad. Statements were made by the owners of D-D, and by Eyal, that are contradictory .... they can NOT BOTH be true. That matters. If the joint statment only addresses the authenticity of the movements it will

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That matters. If the joint statment only addresses the authenticity of the

movements it will not be a complete resolution.

My point was nobody knows what's going to be addressed. So wringing of hands and

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Originally Posted by Flyback My point was nobody knows what's going to be addressed. So wringing of hands and

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"fully" addressed as much as anybody, but why cry foul before the pitch is thrown?

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I would assume that all of the movts should have the washers added, no? Nasty

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flyback is right! hold your horses we are half way there! zulumack

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I can see this thread going on forever until the official statement is released. (cough) I would (cough) lock it til then (cough) :P

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Yeah, because you gotta know Jim knows a lot more and is obviously encouraged as to the outcome of this matter. When people do start crying foul, they are implicitly

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you guy's know what's going to happen with all this hoop laa. once this is work out even the geeks that don't like the combat style will be trying to get any DD they can

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LOL. That guy, Chris Becker, is totally clueless. How can he be the exclusive U. S. representative for D-D if he didn't know that his company was doing business with

Invicta? It's not like Invicta is such a small company that he has never heard of. I wonder what that phone call from Eyal was liked. "Yo, Chris. My name is Eyal. You don't know me, but I own this watch company called Invicta..." tmok2000

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Originally Posted by BabyDoc Hopefully the joint statement from Eyal and Mr. Becker will address actions that

people with this watch need to take, or could take, even if they aren't having

operational issues with their watch at the present time.

1. Should there be a general recall of all DD Speedways, even those seemingly ok,

to modify them with the extra washer, to insure reliability in the long run?

2. Should people just wait until there is a problem under their 5 year warranty?

3. Could DD Speedway owners who are concerned of a possible problem be offered

the option of having the extra washer installed under the dial to insure they won't

have a problem even after the warranty expires, or to make their watch more

saleable to potential second owners?

My comments exactly in a more detailed manner.

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Originally Posted by wave3214 So now that this is a non-issue can we please move onto more important things like

discussing a new diver lupah,,,stuff that really matters (lol)

The movement authenticity is a non-issue Steve, however the fact that the watches

are defective, or potentially so, very much remains an issue to those who have one. There's a lot of questions that need to be answered in that regard, and I'm sure those answers are forthcoming.

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Originally Posted by tmok2000 LOL. That guy, Chris Becker, is totally clueless. How can he be the exclusive U. S.

representative for D-D if he didn't know that his company was doing business with

Invicta? It's not like Invicta is such a small company that he has never heard of. I

wonder what that phone call from Eyal was liked. "Yo, Chris. My name is Eyal. You

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Yeah, because you gotta know Jim knows a lot more and is obviously encouraged as

to the outcome of this matter. When people do start crying foul, they are implicitly

suggesting Jim's full of it and I am confident that is not the case...

Nobody is "crying foul", we are discussing the background and circumstances of the situation ... and I don't see any post here that by any stretch of the imagination could be construed to imply anything negative towards Jim.

There is a very civil and respectful conversation going on here.

I just can't imagine WHY anyone would come in here and call for the thread to be locked !!?? __________________ "When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace" - Jimi Hendrix

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Statements were made by the owners of D-D, and

by Eyal, that are contradictory .... they can NOT

BOTH be true. That matters. If the joint statment

only addresses the authenticity of the movements

it will not be a complete resolution.

Exactly. IMO the initial statements say a lot more

about the situation than future fabrications. I guess some only hear/believe what best suits them. I'm not looking for trouble, but let's be realistic.

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This is good news. What a hell of a deal for those that got one at that price. JFM

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Nobody is "crying foul", we are discussing the background and circumstances of the

situation ... and I don't see any post here that by any stretch of the imagination

could be construed to imply anything negative towards Jim.

There is a very civil and respectful conversation going on here.

I just can't imagine WHY anyone would come in here and call for the thread to be

locked !!??

No, simply agreeing with Brad...the conversation is civil and respectful. Let's keep it

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I would expect the contradictory statements to forever remain a mystery.

That would be a real shame. It would then continuously be brought up.

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Originally Posted by timeman Obviously Mr. Becker didn't get the facts before he made his statement, because it

appears he was totally incorrect.

Mr. Becker stated he got his facts from three seperate conversations on the issue directly with the owners of D-D.

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Originally Posted by Flyback No one knows what will be in the joint statement between DD and Invicta, it may

very well clear up all pending issues. That said, until it's released what does it really

matter what was said previously.

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Your comments are total speculation. In Mr. Becker's email he emphatically stated that he spoke directly with the owners of

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Cant wait to see the joint message. This should be interesting. I'd love to know where the breakdown in communications came from __________________

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I'm referring to Mr. Becker's statement regarding D-D business dealings with

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Re: DD Movements

Jim thanks for the information and the patience it has taken on this matter. I am not

one of the owners of this watch but I do believe in the quality of the company from the many other models that I have brought. While I believe that you have ample

cause to ;/l'qwkjpoerij I'm of the opinion that as a rep who does an outstanding job, you will continue doing as you do best, selling with quality the upper most in mind. Again thanks for the patience of those who don't have any. Lastkey31 lastkey31

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Quote:Originally Posted by jskelton

WOW. We get answers from both sources (the only two sources that matter) and


Did you honestly expect anything different?

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Good points that I would hope we all will get answers on.

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Originally Posted by WatchYaThink Thanks for passing along the information Jim, and also, thanks for re-opening this

thread. Like John, I also thought it was very unlikely that these movements were

not authentic ... Eyal is just too smart and too savvy too have been duped into

purchase of such a large number of replica movements.

But, I would also just like to add for the record, that is not the only issue that we

are looking for explanation about. So, if Eyal and Mr. Becker issue a joint statement

that only assures customers that they have an authentic movement, and leave it at

that, it will leave a lot of questions open ..... just a few for example, this is not

"speculation" .... these are just a few of the unanswered questions:

Eyal said on air that he obtained the movements directly from D-D .... So, why did

Mr. Becker say that the owners of D-D told him they had never sold any movements

to Invicta?

Eyal said on 5-27 that he was working closely with D-D to resolve the problems ....

So, why did Mr. Becker say that D-D received no communication from Eyal until 6-

11, and then it was just an email to inform them that he had resolved the issue with

the hands?

Now, I am sure that there are legitimate explantions for this, and I hope that in

addition to addressing the authenticity of the movements, that the statement from

Eyal and Mr. Becker will also clear up all of this apparent confusion.

Now I guess we need to standby and wait for a couple of more days for the official

statement ...... you KNOW that us geeks are NOT good at that! .....

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My speculation is that Invicta got the DD modules from a partner company or friendly

third party. In assembly at Invicta or partner company somebody installed the hands without the washer and some of the guys/gals who bought the watch have had problems. Invicta will eventually take care of the problem and some will be angry at having to go through all of this. Ultimately some people will be happy and others not

so much and a significant few will just be pissed off. The watch with the DD module will go up in price and become a collectors item. The one thing that all can agree to is

that this has been a real "trip" in the world of Watch Geeks! ProfessorB

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That is exactly why there is still some speculation. The only thing that has been addressed so far is that the movements are indeed genuine Dubois-Depraz

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Originally Posted by new2watches The only answer we received from both parties is that the movement is authentic,

other than that, nothing.

Okay, but the statement hasn't even been given yet. How about waiting for that to see what all is answered?

I'm just as interested as everyone else to see how this all unfolds, but until that statement is made...

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I sure wish Eyal Lalo would hire Mehdi as Chief of Quality Control. Those watches would have never left the factory in the condition they did if Mehdi had checked them out first.

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