How to use Saptamsa in readings Sex Determination There are certain simple rules that govern the sex determination of the children. For a male nativity, the first child is determined by the lord of the 5th house from Saptamsa Lagna, whereas for a female nativity, the first child is determined from the lord of the 9th house from Saptamsa Lagna. For a male nativity, subsequent children are determined from the lords of every 3rd house from the fifth, in direct order, i.e. the second child 7th house lord third child from 9th house lord and fourth child from 11th house lord and so on whereas, for a female nativity, subsequent children are determined from the lords of every 3rd house from the ninth, in reverse order. i.e. the second child from 7th house lord, third child from 5th lord and fourth child from 3rd lord and so on. A male child is predicted, if the lord of the child is, 1. placed in an odd sign or, Cancer or Pisces OR 2. exalted or conjoins exalted planets, or 3. conjunct the Sun, Jupiter, Mars or Rahu (considered male planets). A female child is predicted, if the lord of the child is, 1. placed in an even sign, Gemini or Aquarius, OR 2. debilitated or conjoins debilitated planets, or 3. conjunct the Moon, Venus, Mercury, Ketu (Considered feminine planets) or Saturn (Napumsaka also). The sign occupied by the 5th, 7th etc Lords should be treated as the Lagna of individual children. Take the lord as the Lagna of specific children and predict fortune as per dasas. Timing the birth of Children 1. Birth, of children takes place during the dasa of planets having Argala on Saptamsa Lagnesh. 2. Individual children are predicted during the antardasa of the lord of the child, its depositor or the lords of the 3rd/8th from the Lagna (as mentioned earlier). In case of a conflict between the indications of the saptamsa of expectant father and mother, the results should be predicted from the male horoscope(This rule has also been proved by genetics wherein it is an established fact that the sex chromosomes are only determined by the male) 3. Generally, a male child is born in six Rasi comprising the kendra/kona from Janma Rasi of saptamsa of father, i.e. the Janma Rasi of the son is the 1st, 4th, 5th, 7th, 9th or 10th from saptamsa Rasi of the father. 4. Generally, a female child is born in the remaining six Rasi i.e. 2nd, 3rd, 6th, 8th, 11th, or 12th from the saptamsa moon of the father. Case 1: Male born on 12 November1934, Cuttack, India 1. 5th Lord in Rasi, Mercury has gained 3 Amsa and is placed with 3 planets. The native has three children. 2. 5th Lord from Saptamsa Lagna, Mercury, is placed alone in Dhanus. The first issue is a son who works in a telecommunication company. Since Mercury is in the 12th from Lagnesh Saturn, he is settled in a foreign country. He was born during Rahu-Merc-Venus in Vrischik Rasi Kendra to Simha-Saptamsa moon. 3. 7th lord sun is exalted in Mesha. The second issue is also a son who is employed in the Govt. He was born in Rahu-Merc-Guru in Kumbha Rasi. 4. 9th Lord Venus is exalted in Pisces, and conjoin Ketu. In spite of Ketu the two other factors predominate and the 3rd issue is also a son involved in the export of prawns(Ketu). He was born during Rahu dasa Ketu antardasa in Simha Rasi. Case:2 Male born 7 May1963, 11 a.m. at 25N5, 85 E25. 1. 3 planets aspect the 5th (Rasi drishti) as the 5th Lord in debility gains 7 Navamsa. The native has 3 issues (2 Surviving) 2. Sun, 5th Lord in Saptamsa, is alone in Virgo showing the 1st issue that was lost few months after conception as the fifth lord going to the sixth house shows early death of child. 3. Venus, 7th lord is in Kumbha and 2nd pregnancy is a daughter. 4. The 9th lord Jupiter is in Sagittarius, but conjoins debilitated Rahu and Mercury. Thus the third issue as foretold, is a daughter. [All other astrologers had said boy as the Dasa was of Jupiter, but the results were different.] 5. The native wanted to try for a son again, but was advised against it since the 11th lord Saturn is alone in Capricorn and, this issue too would be a female. It maybe noted that from the case histories it will be seen that a conjunction dominations placement unless the lord is exalted or debilitated.SAPTAMSA D7The Saptamsa is a divisional chart showing the activities and results of sexual interaction. To see the fruits of this sexual interaction, ie., children, the analysis of Saptamsa is to be done. Hence this division is seen for children, grand children, their possibility, well-being, prosperity etc. It is the view of some astrologers that in female charts this division signifies the husbands well being and proeperity. It is also belived that with regard to progeny better results are obtained from female charts than from male charts.

Each sign of 30 degrees is divided into 7 equal parts of 4 degrees 17 minutes and 8.57 seconds each. In odd signs the counting starts from the sign where the planet is posited and in even signs counting starts from the 7th place from the planet.

Deities of 7 Saptamsas:KSHAARA (BITTER), KSHIRA(MILK), DADHI(CURD), GHRITHA (GHEE), IKSHU (SUGARCANE), MADHU (HONEY) AND SUDDHA JALA (PURE WATER)These are the 7 Rasas mentioned for the 7 Saptamsas in Odd rasis.In even rasis the order is reversed.

First child is to be seen from the 5th house, which is the 11th from the 7th house. This is for first wife. For second wifes first child, the 11th house from 2nd house is to be seen as 2nd house indicates second wife.Arudha pada of the 3rd and 9th houses from lagna and Sun indicate the ability to conceive. 3rd house which indicates copulation is vital in detrmining the persons ability to conceive. If Sun is placed in the 2/12 or 6/8 axis from Arudha pada of 3rd or 9th house, it indicates a physical obstruction in conceiving children.

As per Jaimini Sutras:Mercury, Saturn and/or Venus in Saptamasa lagna tend to deny children or progenic bliss. Mercury and Saturn are eunuch planets and in D7 lagna they deny fertility. If Venus is also associated there in D7 lagna or trines, then the person has had excessive sexual encounters and the chances of progeny are depleted.For female charts 9th house and for male charts 5th house should be considered for procreative success. Sun, Jupiter and Rahu in the 9th house will indicate many sons. Sun, Rahu, Jupiter and Moon are son-giving planets. If both child giving planets and child denying planets are present in D7 lagna a child will be born after some delay.If Mars and Saturn are in the 9th house of D7 i) a Dattaputra is indicatedii) it also indicates a marriage with a widow / divorcee who already has child from previous wedlock.iii) Indicate begetting a child through a kinsman as the native may lack procreative ability or otherwise.

If the 9th house in D7 chart is an odd sign there will be many children and if it is an even sign few children.For male, the first progeny is from 5th house, the subsequent children are judged from the 7th ,9th ,11th etc. This is continued till 3rd house. The next house should be 5th house but as we have already started from that house, the next house will be the 4th house and the subsequent houses will be the third from it. For females, the first progeny is from 9th house, the subsequent children will be from the lords of 7th , 5th , 3rd and 1st etc. The above method is adopted here also.Sun, Rahu, Jupiter and Mars are male planets. Venus, Moon, Ketu are female planets. Saturn and Mercury are eunuch planets.If the lord of the child (5th lord or 7th lord as mentioned above) joins a male planet or a planet in exaltation, the child will be male.If the lord of the child joins a female planet or a planet in debilitation, the child will be a female. If the sign lord of the house is a male planet, the child will be a male and if the dispositer of the house is a female planet, the child will be a female child.The gati either changes or ends when it reaches one of the nodes, unless Jupiter is strong in Saptamsa.In male charts 5th house is the controlling house for children, while in the female chart, the it is th 9th house. The 6th and 10th houses are respectively the maraca houses. Hence their lord (maraca lords) should be analysed with respect to the houses of the children and their lords. For eg. 5th lord vs 6th lord, 7th lord vs 6th lord, 9th lord vs 10th lord etc. From this one can analyse the Aristha of a particular child.

If the lord of the D7 lagna is posited in such maraka place, the person will not have inclination to get children. Similarly, if D7 lagna lord is in the house then disease may delay or hinder childbirth Moon is the significator of Mother. Its weakness in D7 indicates the inability of the mother to carry the child. See in which saptamsa Rasa the Moon is posited. By consuming that particular Rasa, and worshiping Mother (Godess), the mother can get potentiality to carry the child. Chanting of Santana Gopala mantra is the most auspicious.

The lord of the house should be considered lagna for the child. If this lord is having good relation with the lagna lord of D7, the relationship between the parent and child will be very good.

Other principles of analysis:The D7 lagna lord must be seen in relation to the position 5H, 5L in D-1.Secondly, the position of Jupiter, Lagna lord of D-1 have to be checked in D-7.The position of 9L and planet Venus are to be checked in D-7.That means, lagna lord of D-1, 5L, 7L, 9L, karaka Jupiter and Venus are to be seen in relation to Lagna of D-7. If there is any affliction one may have delayed progeny.

See the position of Jupiter, Lagna lord and 7th Lord of D-7. If there is any affliction, the progeny will only after performing certain Santhi-Karmas.

If there is any affliction to 9th lord, 9th house and Venus in D-7, in relation to lagna lord of D-7, then there will not be any progeny at all.Venus is given so much of importance because Venus is the significator of semen.

Number of children:Ist method: Count the number of planets falling in between 5th lord and karaka Jupiter. The number of strong planets falling in between 5th lord and Jupiter indicate the number of children.(Counting from 5th lord to Jupiter, including both)IInd method: In D-7, see the number of rasis the 5th lord of D-1 travelled from his house, ie., 5th house. That much number of progenies one will have. The Kshaya rasis and planets should be excluded. IIIrd method: Association of planets with Lagna lord of D-7 in D-1 and vice-versa.

These are the few methods to see the number of progeny. Now a days these are not applicable because of family planning methods adopted by the people.

Different Bhavas of D-7:

Lagna: This will indicate the longevity, physical stature, complexion, colour, mental disposition, fame, and sudden fall of progeny. The promise of progeny is also seen from D-7. The dasa/antar dasa of the D-7 lagna lord or planets in lagna can give progeny.

2nd house: Secret ambitions of progeny, their longevity, welfare, childrens well-being, their capacity to inherit the ancestral property.

3rd house: It will indicate about the prowess, strength of children. This will also tell about the childrens native (self). The death of the native is not only connected to his Karmas, but also his childs his karmas as well as his fathers karmas. That means, the 3rd house of D-7 will indicate the longevity of self. It will also tell about the persons immediate travels. Success in a place outside his fathers house can be seen from 3H of D-7.

4th house: This tells about the happiness one will enjoy from their chidren. Enjoyment, fame, recognition, attachments, responicibilities, accomplishments in materialistic pleasures achieved from children can be seen from this house. The permanency and arishta can also be seen from this house (12th house to 5th house).

5th house: This will indicate about the Poorva Punya Bala, intelligence of progeny, Godly inclinations, following of religion by the children.Sun in the 5th house of D-7 is not considered very pious. Moon, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus are considered very good. The children will be self illuminated and need not have guidance towards wisdom. Knowledge of Vedas, Sastras, Tarkam will be very good with the progeny.Saturn or Mars in the 5th house of D-7 indicate Putra dosham. The remedies for such a Saturn are Pooja to Kaalabhairava, offering white butter to Lord Anjaneya or lighting Tila Deepam. On Saturdays before Lord Shiva. Undertaking of Brahmacharys studied on his shoulders is also one of the remedies.For Mars, propitiation to Lord Subrahmanya or Pooja to the ShatKona yantra, Kumara Bhojanam & Vasra Daanam.For Sun, donate the first child. Any affliction of 5th house by debilitated planet, inimical planet, or otherwise afflicted planet is not considered very good. Errosion of intelligence factor of progeny is indicated. Particularly debilitated Mercury or inimical Moon in 5th house is not at all good for the progeny. Exalted Venus or Jupiter is extraordinarly good.

6th house: This house talks of diseases of progeny & Balarishta. Placement of Mars in 6th house is considered to be exceptionally good. It gives Pushti, the vitality to the progeny. Placement of Mercury is not good, alongwith Moon it is worse. If Lagna lord of D-7 falls in 6th house or otherwise afflicted, the progeny will not rise in life than their parents. The childs recognition will be till the death of father. Placement of Jupiter in 6th house is also considered very good. If Mars&Jupiter, Saturn & Sun, Venus are placed in 6th house, physical discomforts of emotional crisis of progeny can be indicated. The projeny will suffer from certain complexes or phobias in their life.If Moon & Mercury are afflicted in 6th house, the progeny will never have steady progress in their life. The afflicton of Soumya grahas in 6th house by Rahu/Ketu or Saturn will indicate that certain negative forces will be pullig back the progress of the children.Because 6th is the 9th from 10th house, the childrens profession and because of 3rd house of 4th house, the childs education may suffer.As a rule, the 6th house should be Riktam, Vacant, to make the 6th house afflictionless. The lords of 6th house goes into Kendra bhava or associated with malefic planets like Sun & Mars is a good placement. If 6th lord goes into Kona bhava, though it is not very bad, it will not give full potentiality to the natives progeny. It may spoil the karakatwas of the Bhava, where it is posited, but the karakatwas of its own bhava will be held prominently. It makes a person isolated in life.6th lord in 2nd House or 11th House, the person will get support from his relatives, Dayadees.6th lord in 2nd house will make a person long lived and happy.6th lord in 6th house is the second best position. 8th lord or 12th lord in 6th house is the third best position without any conjunction of any benefic planet. This will indicate that the person will not have any untoward incidents in life. 6th house and 6th lord are to be seen from Mars also. If both are well placed in good axis, the person will have good life and he will not have any Akala Mrityu to his children. If there are extraordinary yogas in 6th , 7th and 8th houses, the children will be very happy.

7th House: This will talk of Aristhas to progeny. Take 5th lord of D-1 along with 7th house of D-7 to assess the arishta.

5th lord of D-1 with 7th house of D-7 talks of Arishta to 1st progeny.7th lord of D-1 with 7th house of D-7 talks of 2nd progenys Arishta.9th lord of D-1 with 7th house of D-7 talks of 3rd progenys arishta.Another method:5th lords nakshatra lord will talk of 1st progeny.Suppose 5th lord is Mars and Mars is in Jyesta. So the nakshatra lord of Mars is Mercury. See Mercury and the 7th house of D-7 to talk about Arishta to 1st progeny.Take Mercurys nakshatra lord. Suppose Mercury is in Moons nakshatra. Moon position and the 7th house of D-7 will take about 2nd progenys arishta.

Transiting position of Rahu or Saturn or Mars alongwith Putrakaraka Jupiter on 7th house of D-7 will talk of Arishta coming to the concerned progeny.

8th house: This will indicate longevity of natives progeny. Incurable diseases, that may come to progeny will also indicated by this house. 8th house and 8th lord talk about to whom the incurable diseases will come. Secret ambitions, Govt. displeasures, punishments, etc. will be seen from 8th house.

9th house: This will talk of Keerti, Bhagyam of progeny. Here lagna lord, 5th lord or 9th lord of D-1 or D-7 with Sun, if placed in 9th house of D-7, the Bhagyodayam of child will be after the departure of parents.Long distance travels, Pitru Runam, Pitra Putra arishtam, Devata Prakopam will be seen from here. Which God or Godess should be propitiated by which progeny to get success will be indicated from this house.

10th house: Fame, status, achievements, Deerghayu of progeny (8th from 3rd ) will be seen from this house.If 10th house is well placed by 10th lord or Sun (even debilitated), it indicates Deerghayu.Placements of malefics in 10th house ( Mars & Sun) is very good. Jupiter & Venus, if they are in own sign or in exaltation in 10th house of D-7, will give fame to progeny.But presence of Moon & Venus in 10th house of D-7 will give recognition but fame will not be there.Mid cusp lord of 10th house in D-1, if having strength in D-7 chart, the progeny will be extraordinarly well placed than the native.

11th house: This will talk of amicability of the progeny, terror amongst co-born, their status, relationships, friends of progeny.If malefics are spoiled in 11th house, the progeny will suffer due to jealous of others.Rahu & Ketu will get afflicted in the following circumstances.If they are in direct motion, if they are in static motion, if associated with retrograde planets.

When Rahu is afflicrted in 11th house of D-7, one should be very careful. Pumpkin Bali is to be given to Godess Kali, to ward of evil Drishti, jealous etc. Bali is to be given once in Uttarayanam and once in Dakshinayanam of every year.Afflicted Sun in 11th house will give diseases to children. The child should wear Surya Yantra.Afflicted Moon in 11th house will spoil the girls in the family.Afflicted Mercury will spoil boys in the family.Afflicted Venus will spoil wife in the family.Afflicted Jupiter in 11th house will spoil parents in the family.Afflicted Saturn in 11th house will spoil old people in the family.

12th house: Expenditure, losses, untoward happenings, police or juditiary interference of progeny will be indicated.Sun & Mars in 12th house is Saturn and Mercury in 12th house indicate that the person will not be interested in sex.Jupiter & Venus in 12th house is good for progeny.

Normally, 5th house dasa, in India, will give marriage

Number of children

1. The number of children can be found out by counting the Navamsa gained by the 5th lord. For e.g., the 5th lord is placed in Virgo Rasi and Gemini Navamsa. Counting from Gemini (Navamsa) to Virgo Rasi [Virgo (6) - Gemini (3) = 3], we have four signs, i.e., the 5th lord has to gain three Navamsas to reach Virgo or upto three children should be anticipated (COVA- Page 190). This is however a crude method can can be used with extreme care.

Max. no. of child = Rasi sign Navamsa Sign

Pt. Rath says that, for this method to work, the 5th lord should be placed with the Jupiter (Karaka for Navamsa). However, from an illustration given in Page 200 of COVA, we see that this is not a necessary condition. Here Mars is not associated or aspected by Jupiter, but the Lagna is aspected by Jupiter from the 7th, through Rasi and Graha Drsti both. Here we might conclude that for this method to work, Jupiter should be strongly placed in the horoscope and influence the factors of progeny.

2. This can also be seen from the planets aspecting the 5th by Graha or Rasi Drsti.

RidersThe number of children is limited by the Rahu - Ketu axis, unless Jupiter is strongly placed in the D-1, to eliminate all the putra Dosas. (COVA, Page 184)

Birth of TwinsThe signs Aquarius and Scorpio have two lords each and hence if they happen to be the house of child/ pregnancy, they can indicate twins.

Most standard texts prescribe the involvement of the Signs Gemini, Virgo, Scorpio or Aquarius for the birth of the twins. They add Gemini and Virgo also to Aquarius and Scorpio, since the signs are lorded by Mercury whose nature is dual.

IllustrationIn the chart of the standard nativity, the 5th lord Moon is in Aquarius Rasi and Pisces Navamsa, which shows that there are possibilities of 11 children, however while we count from Pisces we have to stop in Taurus, because Gemini is occupied by a node. Thus the maximum no. of children is limited to 2 only shown by the signs Aries and Taurus.

Saptamsa chart can be seen for more details about children. The details of judging Saptamsa Chart is given in subsequent section.1st child: The Saptamsa Lagna is in an Odd sign and hence the counting shall be in a zodiacal manner. The 1st child is shown by the 5th lord Mars, placed in Gemini with Moon and Ketu. 2nd child: The 2nd child is shown by the 7th lord Mercury. Mercury is placed in Scopio and has exhange. Scorpio generally shows female child being an even sign. Due to the exchange of planets, it indicate male child. Its worthwhile to note that the 6th lord, the maraka is aspecting Mercury, showing that the child shall face terrible condition and can face death. However, due to Graha Dristi of Jupiter on Mercury and Rasi Drsti on the Lagna, the child is saved.

Sex of childrenRasi ChartFor matters concerning children, the placement of the fifth lord and the planets should be seen from the Jupiter, the naisargika putra karaka. If there are planets in strengths from the Jupiter, they can indicate the number and nature of the children. The placement of the fifth lord from Jupiter will indicate the extent of gains from Children etc.- Pt. Sanjay Rath (COVA, Page 169)Normally for determination of sex of the child, the chart of the father is a better indicator. (COVA, Page 188)

The SaptamsaThe timing of birth of Individual children, their nature, abilities and fortune is seen in the Saptamsa chart. This has been explained in detail by Maharishi Jaimini Upadesha Sutras. (COVA 8.6.1)

CountingThe first child is seen from the 5th house counted zodiacally or anti-zodiacally depending on whether the Lagna is ODD or EVEN . The subsequent pregnancies are seen from every third house (Manduka Gat i). Thus if an odd sign ascends in the Saptamsa, the individual pregnancies are seen in the 5th, 7th, 9th, 11th etc. If an even sign ascends in the saptamsa, the individual pregnancies are seen in the 9th, 7th, 5th, 3rd and so on. (COVA)

After the Manduka Gati reached the point of start, the sequence of jumps would repeat again, which cant be allowed. To counter this problem, the next sign arrived at is by Crawling the sign. For illustration, after the jump sequence reaches from 5th to 3rd, the next sign after 3rd would be 5th again, thus here the jump doesnt progress to the 5th, but the 4th there in, where the frog is supposed to be crawling, than jumping as there is no space for jumping, 5th house, being already considered. Thus the order of pregnancy becomes 5-7-9-11-1-3-4-6-8-10-12-2. For even sign the sequence becomes 9-7-5-3-1-11-10-8-6-4-2-12.

The nodes generally indicate the last child. For exapmple, if Rahu is in the 7th or joins the seventh lord, the native may have two children. (Jaimini Sutras)

Sex of the ChildThe sex of the child is seen from the lord of the sign ruling the house of pregnancy. If the lord is exalted or conjoin male planets (Sun, Rahu, Jup, Mars), the issue is male. If the lord is debilitated or conjoins female planets (Moon, Ketu, Venus), the issue is female. Saturn and Mercury are eunuch planets, but they have found to indicate female and male children respectively.

If the lord of the sign is neither exalted/ debilitated, not conjoins any other planets, the sex of the child is seen from the nature of the sign occupied by it. All Odd signs excepting the Aquarius and Gemini are male birth signs while all the even signs, expecting Cancer and Pisces are Female birth signs.

Riders1. Effect of Parivartana On CountingIf there is a exchange of house (Parivartana Yoga) between the Saptamsa Lagna lord and the lord of any other house, the counting will be based on whether the other sign is ODD or EVEN and not the oddity of the Saptamsa Lagna. However the counting still starts from the Saptamsa Lagna. (COVA, Page 193)

On sex of childIf a lord of the child associate with a planet, lets say Venus and there is a parivartana of this planet with another Planet, lets say Sun. The influence of the other planet, namely Sun will be more dominant over the lord of the child, in determining the sex of the child. (COVA, Page 193).

However, if there is a parivartana of the lord of child with another planet, then the sex of the child, determined by the lord of the child is simply reversed. For e.g., if the lord of the child is Venus is placed in Leo, with Moon and the lord of Leo, Sun is placed in house of Venus, Taurus, then the sex of the child indicated by Venus in conjunction with Moon, i.e., Female, shall be changed to Male.

2. Lord of child placed in house of another childIf the lord of a child is placed in the house of another child, then one of the children indicated by them shall survive. For illustration the 5th lord is placed in the 7th house, one of the children signified by the 5th and the 7th lords will survive. (Pt. Sanjay Rath).

However, in COVA, Pt. Sanjay has presented one more viewpoint while showing the use of Drekkana for co-borns, whereby when the counting reaches a sign which houses another lord of the child, the count crawls over to another sign. To illustrate the point he says However, Capricorn houses two sisters as indicated by Mercury and Jupiter and should normally have limited the number of elder co-borns. Since the number is actually higher, the next sign Aquarius will indicate the co-born. (COVA, Page 120)

Two child lords placed togetherIf two lords of the child are placed together, then one of the children shall survive. For e.g., if the lords of 5th and 9th are placed in the same sign, then one among the children shown by them shall survive. However, it is difficult to determine who among them shall survive and can only be determined from practical events. In the present case, if there is a miscarriage of the first child, the 3rd child shown by the 9th lord shall survive and vice-versa.

One planet becomes lord of two houses of childrenIf one planet happens to indicate more than one child, then the first child will be shown by the lord of the child however, the 2nd one will be shown by the house of the child and the planets placed therein. To illustrate his point Pt. Rath says in COVA- page 120, when one of the children have been indicated by Mars (House of child Scorpio), and the next house of the child happens to be Aries, Mars will not show the child, however Aries, placed with Moon will show a sister who is emotional (Moon) and Rash (Aries). Had there been no planet, then Aries would have shown male birth.

Saptamsa lagna lord in Marana Sthana from lord of childIf Venus becomes the lord of Saptamsa Lagna, the issues indicated by the planets in the 8th from Venus cannot survive unless conjoins Ketu (Ganapati), as these issues will have Venus in the Marana Sthana (Reference). The same principle can be extended to other planets. Thus in case of Different Saptamsa Lagna, the placement of the lord of the child in the following places cannot survive. Sun- 2ndMoon- 6th Mars- 7thMercury- 7thJupiter- 11thVenus - 8thSaturn- 1stRahu - 5thThus the principle states that if the Saptamsa Lagna lord is placed in a Marana karaka Sthana from the Lord of the child, then either the parent or the child survive, unless, there is a blessing