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Report date: 6-7 April 1944 Title: Interview with COL Robert B. Hutchins – Sicilian Campaign and
Initial Phases of the Italian Campaign: Tactical Section, Part 1. Author: United States Army Infantry School, Fort Benning, GA Abstract: This report is an interview by COL Robert B. Hutchins on the
Sicilian Campaign and the initial phases of the Italian Campaign. This is Part 1 titled: The Tactical Section.
Number of pages: 50 p. Notes: From the MCoE HQ Donovan Research Library, Fort Benning, GA. Documents collection. Call #: D769.1 .U201 1944 Part 1. Classification: Unclassified; Approved for public release
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A. X. entetl beadctwu-t n olPd•H wel!'e ao '11 •• · ~· h-. -d.t n doa. 't . 1 ea111 • • · 144 ·. ll.l¥ b• 081114 to tll dl'fl•d.o OP aa4 m• the 41'fttt.1 tt ar . · lbe · :s ••'-• •tt ov fiaT.
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A. We ~ 284 ad h• ass. plue th ~ ·· t nd the· I · • · • .el0 . •• •t · · 1 be quar,el'ie to . a:l " ·
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Q.. ft o·o4• ••• b M-'i 4ovn. b7 4J.v1et · ·f.
A. Wo, · ,. . • t~p 1D ·he r Ament .•
A. ~·• 4.14 •.
Q. How a-u.t 'h• . 161 • • t.t ••'1st · .. ton?
A. i t ,. • ..,., ••t•t&oto 1 • · 'Pt the batt•a•• 1 aue4 d~W o!,4 a.M ha4 ·to · · . -.1,.
Q. 114 J0\1 .... ••• · •• ·<> • vant.as•?
.&. I Ol' ~lwt •• baA '& ... tht!J' v•re \he leas\ 4e&1rabl me na.
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A. Y•e. t alva:re he4 r lao erne 1.n •1•4 tor tb o • I ••l•ete4 of~1c•~• fo~th•l~ eduoat1cnL tra1n1 and ab1l1t1 o fill th•se l)artlou.la. pCU1l\1ena, TD&t*• • · rt S..ptWCant.
lou fllwuld haYe a •. ,aff tel ··ts.on tvo or tbret 4 - toll' lf po fl.1 bl - w1 'tblt\ nghtent.
~. Dl4 1ou JIOtate 'h '
A. I~a, as aoh !ltt :t oo11ld •.
~ Alq 'hat Batlt 11ne of quee,ioll1ng, bOw ct1ep did JOtt 'tl"f tf) k ep radio opePat1on•· - 2 o:r 3 <leept
4.. I al.w.,. h d. two 4eep and t:r-184 to keep 'lute& de~. We wo\44 'rain a man , let h1Ul ~o b Ok to his o•trt• aJtd larlng in another m.tm.
' • 95.4 J"C\l utle Sta41o• tor e:nti-al~onn wal'll.lq't
•• Ve bat a varnlng •yatea ln <Uneton .ln wtob ther rep&rtd. al\J' ai~ a~tac1te.
Q.. Yot.t ~t that ln r elm ntal. tu~adqnerter , how dld you asa ble lt'l
A. Tb:er . wa · a oertun code lette~· ln Ot 1 . t mean• tl-\ablt o,_. air attaok ..
Q. W.1 10trr VUJ'll.ns •ffeetl•e tor alr att olt't
A. o lt va• not.. Ther ll · all7 111 .. ed ln befl Ft' JOl.l . ooUl4 get . '• . It 1 t ••• Tel" rqlatntal tt • , a14a • t s•t l' 'o
41'11.•1•• 1n 'bt.lle. rol' ro • 0 b: .aef . ' l' 41411 t t woa -•apeola11r tol' U.r at _ ~ We had no •••• •ttalk of tank•· . he tank.e were alftl'fl wlth 1 Dfatl't17 wh•n th•J m 1ft.
• Wee plane 14efttlftoatton at taugn ettec,1Tet
A-. 1t waa not ve•y etfeotlve. tt •• haN for apn · to 'tell whelh• ltiJ a Me· :1.1 plane or otherwtee. lt a plane aotual11 "' at.a • the men · · •ae.a tlr 1 oth.~PV!•e· 1hef bad ol*CleJt• ·not 'o tl:re. We had lot of tire on. m . r
· 1~··· ~. 114 tb.e a fS.Pe when lt tartta4 \o make its run?
A. 4ovn;
A. Ont w ••«• vas 'be~ra U m ·aW••·
'Al ._., _.. rou ord.u 'o 7'0U%' sotot-1 ln oa•• of •~ at,aok'
A.. fber VOU14 · op aad.. enom.S. would \?f to se1 out of tbe 'Wa1 • 4. touple of •sa•• tl\., e in 'bef l' . 81\JOfte • rw 'the. Ttl., f.lf low • u.ta• hoppi· · .· • Yr~ out t h a·• the llotott• . 1 '• • haM to see tfi ·" ·
What Uatanc dill you have b t e n v hiole•'
No cloeer than 50 1 %'d8 and normallJ '75 to 100 r•ra.e. Did you have ant1-a1i'O.ratt aeovl tr - d t ota ~a o\1t ahe -1n what ;you deemed the cx-1tlcal. areaeY.
Yea. We \.l.S ed oux- heavy - one ach1n - na ·tor ant f..... 1J'eraft prot ot1on nd on Ye17 fourth ton tt"Uck we had 10 _ a11bel'tl
. 111 add! tlon to a oW'i r detao . en . s.
R " about n 1-tank and m ch.an1z st IU'l.tJ?
~. t C4n you tell u• on dv n guard to ' oct
A. --.3.17 oved . t n1gh~, al'lJ'lrilere tro• 15 to 20 U&a lnto · 1 terri tor, , and u• · ith no a1 a4vaa • ard to · a1i1on ~- nted w1 tb pa,Nl • h bat alS.one Te u1 t a .
a-tano• on the m 4. The · battal.1o 1n ool :n was o"fer n ou't mai'Oh f'J'O the hea4 of' the lea-lq attalloa.
Q. !bet • at nightt
Q. D14 you. malnt: n oontaot f7! Gn un1 t to · noth t
A. Corm · tlq fll e and ra41 • I u. &117 tolltn\ted 'beb.lnd the le•<U.ng battalion.
Q.. ~ rou mean toot OJ" a tor pa :rol?
A. We s &_platoon of the D1v1 ion oonnal • n -e .Troop• out t en aU • 1n the 4.,-1l!leJ t nigh ·te · ed f o }) trol , leadlns and on th~ flanks.
Q. •1 414n 1 t so ou' v 1!'1 t rt
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-'• fba • s a good th1 •
• Jlfw· ·tille tir 1me ln tb • l' bl • we r olns to t oh to o, . •t• e to -.r h.
A. ov onter s that we· •J'• to ~' and g ~ out but thft.t 1an't ¥bat poed.. Yoa 414n•t he• tl • to h&\t and get out. !be -tl••• we w •• 1\n.t the . 1 •• t1ev oYer and the ., · d 1 414 t t · op. earl.J 41 tit shell• 1 _ n4 be veen the 'tftl.Gkl ... w• 41 - '' loee •
.. t OY 1" 70 t ·
A. 'fee,
Q. What 41 stanoe ov r- the column t
A. I an blt to tate, bu.t you could • tbe 11ot Uy.
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·"' . D14 you knock any out'
A. e kfto e4 out on plan td.th Sl'flall a t1re . '
Q. Do rou tet 1 1 t would be . -1.1 to oon'tinue to 1" ht
A. Yel, I th1nlt ao, it la •ehlolea.
Q. Do tne planoa make on1r one tPi'D t
• In this 1netanoe tbey 414. OrdinarUy th 1 oom b etk two or three tllll e.
Q. now any nlanee would you get
A. We had air eUperlorl t;y but th<! German oa e ln thPees nd ... ... .
q. What deviations fr · the et ndard T/ n of equl . ll'Htnt did you a4op t w1 'th1n Jflttr Ul\1 t - any t rl o el ente t
• We had to org n1z• mine detecting _ ~atoon whleh we dded to t he mine r latoon 1n the antlt-t nlt lin e w r 1st\le4 18 d _etectors tmd fo · 3 Squad• of · clefieotoP ach ani whenever the batt:tllon moved out . e atta hed squ a w1 th the batt ion. It the tt , ion ~~~ant ed ere w attach-e& two or three ua.da. They "!)e ted unci r the ant1-tank platoon leader. •.fe took th m n fro the r at ot the reg ent. We went ov(>r 15~ ove~t~tJ'en th, nich helped ou' but m n wel'e taken DoJa the rifle 0018)) •• t r th1 pl tooa.
Q. · Y 414 JOU OPfl nlae 10US!' b&$.0Qk 't$ ll t
A.. we d14n ' t ha•e afl7 to the en bJ the o
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lfbat 414 70u do abo ' ·rot tlon Gf 1o·u.r OPt
:r think the OP ho\lld hav-e a d ten e fll to on in 1 t. \{ used the bAJ14 and a platoon fro t he r fJ rve ttal!on to proteo 'be rq-1m en · OP •
Q. You found 1 t nee r4 tl-oa the
se to o anlze the deten e
A. y •
~14 you t1Uhlp' to o ani • ,-ou. operating peHonn 1 into !mprovlsed taot19al rou s to J our command noet personnel·
A. We use4 what ould on guard to suppl ent the d fense .
Q. h . Ndlo and. visu eect e" wei- they organized. into ro to• 'P\\J'POI· ot • batt
A. I ' f or Pm-r,oae of' oo bat.
q. Vat ~ OP ver atla ke4'
We o' a tank o . but ner;y man 1n toP t.•• . 4f'tenae.
1th1 oh to:. . -ed b t 1 'C otGt to th OP gi .ental OP as d loyed 1n th1 1ns tane
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Q... I>id JOU run into anr plastlo min t
A. · Yea.
Q. Youz. 4•teotore woJ'lt.ed on these?
A. No. We had to pJ!Io4. The Oeimana d1dn'' haTe manJ of them.. Moe' ot the on • w r n lnto were louno1ns Bett1 e and Teller JU.nea .
~. 114 TOU l'lln into &ftJ new· tJ'J')e m1neet 'l'he onea that 70\l oan 1'Ult two or thne tnc a o'fer and the fourth tdll set 1t otft
. . . No , ut so.e ot 'he Teller Mine• will do th t.
t\~ D14 rou autt • •anr o eual t1 • trona an•1·P r onnel aa1n a t
A. o great percentage. As oon aa you . ot casual tlea you vould eeaHb that al'ea •
• ••••• (l. . Doea 'he fear of laee 8low up tb d.Tan e t
A. I't al w lt Up quite bit. Detectors are uaual17 'behld tbe lea41n gi'Oup, eeareh1 alon the ro - ne'f'e the1 sa, 1 t eUll •lowe rou.
Q, Would 7ou JIWl into a1net1eld durl n1sht oY entst
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Yes.
What dittan e 414 7ou ake at nigbtt
Tba\ Ya•led aooordl to the ree1atan • we ran lnto; the bridges that were bl• J the bJ'l)asaes that had to b flx . • I know we •'•"14 uual17 · _ .. na dark and neYer got t the obJeot11'e 1 • 11 or 20 mllea u-.11 ao e'l e the next momlng - 1t vae an all nigh · p ·. 1 'lon. A goo4 12 ho ·•e.
What wee 'he 1 · tb ot tlme from the tim a -pr1eoner was · aptve4 ntll he waa lnteJTOgattd't
Ae tooa u be w • reported by t tall on to ue w . ha hlm on the liA1 baok 'o the •to acte tor ques,lonlng el ther Wider ba''allon guard or r · • .ntal guald. • ••••r bro bt hlm 1 the r slllental. OP. The battalion 8-2 e4 a ba,ta11on 'fehlole lt a'fa11 'bleJ l.t not, the regimental lntel'p . ter · ul4 10 tor hlro. !he battalions d14n •t ho14 bl t all.
Dl4 rou find ln •• lng questlene you woul.d get into m.atlon rou uld u • e11atel7t
A. Mot ••n often. <leJU~l'al 1ntorm tlon •• . to th eo . p 8Jl7 the pereon wae with, •nat h • doln or aom thlng like th t. le the tntQ~preter beoame ore expeM.enoe4 he go1 more ln. tormatlo •
Q. Wha' waa the .ln tePre atl&n t 4e ttn of'
A, We ha4 a l ' Llntenant aM a aerg ant tor ques•lon1 Ge an p.S.aoftere and a •1m1lar t ea tor uestl&ntng Itallan prleoneH ..
Q. !her YeP part ot th. t\1 Ylslon 1nt l'J'O(fatlon t · '
A. 'fee.
(4,. In a sl t . 1tloa · • 1 t ex1a'e4 tn ItalJ vas 1 t a •tt•r ot an bou oP "en or ·•laht hGU~• betel" prleone•• got 'holt' I notl II 1ft one Hpofl tha·t 1 took l hour 'o e; t' , t • hat umtl\lal'
A. ••n . · . nal. t '4 •a~ w1 th1n an hour no ally, depen41ftg on the Nllte 1he7 had to 10 o.k.
G. r we• ~70 ht Gk \7 the 'roop•'
A. Un.Uy tber were lJrou · h' b ek ~o 1ht battalion OP and t:rom •" 'tbe battalion nt!l 4 tb , Gr aeked. r l ent ttJ ••nd to• tn•. ·
Q.. He d14n 1t baYe any r t<Ularly e1 ed t2.-oopa for thAt pu.rpo e7
ca. . • ,,. .ft., the be1 1 oe neu th CP • 41.4 yo·u !lave ftJ n e tof! h t pla •'
• J hink 1 t as "Prl•onttl' Coll eet1ng Polrt1, bad tbera 1'0 ght ln.
" ,. ol.nt where ~e
q. HoW' uoh of a gotng GV$1* v re they p Ytm th re
A. VtPr 11''1 at the b ttallon.
Q. we..- tner ••• baA a aln'
• Y • ~ t 'belle• tber re ~; b • '.l'hey wottl.d tum ln anr• thtbg ther had to the batt ion 2 who v rne4 it over to th ln .,.,.,, ...
Q. s ina a .e 4on 1n that tart lon'
A. Y••· Oloee to 1he r P~ ental OP e h 4 a prlaonen • eto a4e, a-ou' 200 ra I tbe 0 •
Q. What 414 7fJ. Call ttl 1 t
A. atal 8took ••
Q,. ,. bJ' '•'
A. Yea, a d•taohm . t th u •
Q. Uft4el' eo11t:rol ot ~bJ 1-e ment'
A. We ba4 on. ot ou• own ottlcers '~a1ne4 at MP ohoo1 1n the 4.1 vleion. 'R vae tr•d.nt4 nd eent back to the regiment w1 th a de' 11 of 41. nat on . • e. Th 1 h c1 tran ol!'1atlon nd o-pe,atta tble •U otlng . tnt tor pl'1 oner , guarfted tb.ea, an4 ~· e1 'o take n•oaes- b ok to the 41•1 to ao we tiOUlAJl •t haYe to use o r own • e •e •re aleo t.aae4 to I'd tbe CP, •• 14• the o•e aft4 ae gutA•• to Npl te tratf1 • fht voJ'ktd bett r than haYln th MP
·kat 41YleloA.
t lte MP o ftt 4.1d 7ous- d1via1on haTe when 70" left'
A. !t wae au borl e4 Jil n. I don • t kDQV hov 'bt.s 1 t got afler-WU'dt.
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Q.. It 414 ge' l>tggerf
A. I'm slU'e lt 414. I thlnk tb 1 s n.t 11S m and an ottloer to eaoh rea1ment. Most of the 'burd ·a tor the t a wae plated on PqJ1ment. Going ln a to ~e had to opente w1 th th.ls 4.etaobment.
~. Pl4 700 haY an ottloer ~1th the gro t
A. We 414 - an offloer from the regiment - lst Lieu tenant from on• ot the J'ltle oompaniee •
. Q.. At 'he oleae ot the 1 Ulan oapalgn, ttl$ p~1•on re w tU. n 11'1 ••••• vert thq nett Were ther ban4l.e4 dlffenntlJt
th eame va1 • &00 to 1000 at a 11••· Q. ow •bout c1Ylllane, were th 1 anr trouble'
A. 'l'h.eJ gaTe ua ve17 11ttle tn l»le. 8& et . • e had to 1••• • latoon 1n a ol tr as gu ..S.a until the MP • a took over.
Q. Were thwe aJl1 aJ-re ts of o1ft.ll •'
4. Ro. We qu.ea'1 n V&J7bodJJ theJ w re r equlr to carrt lcte tlf1aat1on oartta.
Q. tlhat klntl of tountel" 1n,el1l.aenoe me auree d1d you take and how were ther ar.rlv atl
A. We a44om pl.o7 an7 oount er lntellltte •: e _ ove.d so rttpldlr, % oaa•t g1Ye a peoltt a • veYttl"1 tke regtaental 2 • g1-.en about IJ.OOO to · tn4 at1J _, he , .. '.a to, 1. t., gl'Ylng it to 1Yl11 • tor S.nfo "lon, •'•• He w G\lld tum 1n wh t he d14n' t uee. tt bt aeet.et aore he would get 1 t.
Q,. Do you ilaY anJ 14ea ftt where he ot tbla l nto ation?
A. ••. got • lo' r.om o111l1ana. •.om fro p~eonere , eo e t~to• ~he l'epaent o ob•N'YlngJ ztln 11 all7 trc ol.Ulua ttd l'leon ra.
How all ut f rour own artlll ,.,, 414 you g t 1nfo a'lon ,_ ,111 .,,
A. o' Ye'f7 auob - eo e • not g at deal.
(4. ••• tbne ne• a • e rou nov ot when ro J'equ t.ad •l'tl1lelf to uee • ~aae to get 1nfoJ'Inlat1on tor 70 '
A. 'lbt7 a llalao plane t :t dldn '' k tor lnto atlon. It ther were lbeJ vo\lld r ort ln.
Q. Wa• lt rou• pM ttS.oe •o ak l'•l•onera oorato,-t~ble ox- u.n-fol't.a'bl.e wb.eft que•tloned' ·
.A . We ga~• ,h. aome,blng to ••• ol a . ttea efos-e que•Uon. l r he late.ft'Oget1on t ·• •
Q. Row about efozt th 1 telllgen • oftl.oe.- got th•'
A. :t 4oa 1\ th.lnk they 414 that •
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Q. We are teaohlng that tb oomp ee wlU e Yery 11 le report• antl 'that 'ba,talloa• vl11 • unit r ol.'te; D--a 114a,1ng thos• other repor11, dtd you tlnd that aoul4 b• wl'ke4 'I
A. Ordlnarlly th t'• the war we d14 tt~
Q. lfow frequentlr 41d rou requlr.t thee r . ol"ts'
• Se'Yeral tlmea a dar. t ahoul.cl b trequen t.
Q. You would require an 1nulutl41 te r · ort on anr ep olsl. change ln a 1 tuatloa? l>ld you haYe a p 1'1ocllea1 report o~ awmn J!"' tor the paet two or tbr bo ret
A. I ha4 no IUBaPJ report. heJ' reported &equentlr, t he · a1 tuatloa and 1mme41 tely, aft1 ape 1 1 tt •· .
Q. What ort of repo~te ver e rou requlr~d to n4 to dlvtelon'
A. lf ba4 to send an 2 r ort at a oertela tlme .nd · • I "1>3!1 t a el"'baln tllle aoh daJ - one a dar.
Q. ~ng u al, of ource, rou Peported rtgbt awar br t•1eph net · ·
A. Ye!l ~J t•lephone, ratio or llalton offtoep. fb lldto ofn •• took otet ot lnat:ruotlont lea • o'ferl r. po ltlon an4 nportt4 'he lnfo atloa to d1YI. lon ln tbe ao 1 Ia th• an•noon he · · • . ok to the ,.. eat 4 b.w lftto - •'ton on what had bapptaed a d l •ton •.
Q.. In a4dl tlon to the two :r o.rte 1ha _ eJ'€-ln'
A. Yea,
Q. 4a ! v.ndez-st n4 tt, tOU had l, 2 d 3 ln fOUl* fo~• . ..wt
•om~ po t't
A. fbat's Pl . t.
Q. . Dl4 J'OU. haTe tel b ne tn your tonar4 C tro t 1 · CP to the torw&Jid CP '
A, Yea.,
Where 414 JOU keep Jour personnel 't
• At the ~"•~' o • 'l'ne ••• a that c in •••• n.1 ed the •ers nt ~4 hie aaat tant at the forwart a an4 Ooll t~ bJ tb Met ctlel'k durl the 4aJ tor entr)' la the joamal..,
ca. Dlt\ rou •'tem~t to keep a reoord ot lnstruo,1ons rou ua t
A. · Yee. A ol ellt toGk 4ew nept bing I . 01'8'14 lR th• JOU'ftal. .
Q.. .ow t • ln the "•~' vae 1our OPt
4. It ftl'ie4 with ttl tt 1llon b\lt n ooa•lon mlle1 ln the~. At ni ght v would o-. lt
Q, D14 rou ba'Y a tNln lYov.ao t her '
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A. Our tlel4 train blTO at anotn P laoe. How Ter, at ti •• 1t was 11'1 th.e •1 S.nltr ·ot tb r ar OP.
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Q. I ae wondering why 1t wouldn't • b n • well to haYe the eseoutl1't ottlo•r f110nt and a t v oPe ole*• d the ~J' 1 en.• w1 tb. dl11 1 •
A. tn 'b flr•t ~1 , 1 t v a 41tt1 u1 t to ttnd oo•e• for eo liPf a and ln the- • oon4 laoe, • tound hle epot 1n the headquarters to vork ore eftS. o1 ntl¥. ·
Q. Vaa rour peHonn ot:tloer ln t he r ar 0 '
A. a k with dlYl•lon.
q . Ycul' e• tl•• otf'l 1" wasn't able to keep a .rl el' tl.ctO ••• he 1
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A. tee. A lllflP a kept b 1 the 0 and be ade tH u~• t~~ to the to fd CP ..
h&ll'1 nt _ t'
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Q, Dt4 ro• haY yo-ur st• f OJ"gani e4 eo th t the aact acme nigh t et
A. Yea, but w u-• tb ~ r nolple ot one u 1 tlf'floer on du y a a t1me wl.th ·a.l1~t1 te nwabel' of. le a. " .1a wor e4 •• .,., • •••••Ml..r.
Q. 1ft ett•e'• Jou ha4 duty otrteerf
A. Tha 'e rlght.
re d1v14e4 into shifts?
Q.. What uae d14 rou make of the n adquarter c · t'
A. He wae b.utJ w1 th tb deten e ot th r ta,ab11ebl th OP an oo sn4e4 h a4q .
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Q.. be 414 J'Otl get
A. ' of the he qu J'1ere oosp YJ 1 o the regimental oftl er.
~. 7~ tbink that 'he eu plF se•geant h a an7 t1 • o l _n aa 1•• OJ
A. ol" tanoe he cou14 • ry well . · We had no ,a a .
Q., U ... DO e1 $OR41 ilOft ?
A. t don't tblrtk eo. The '
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. . A. ot "fe'll'l til • . X 414 o~ at . 9 har4 on 'hla ' ou
1nfo~tl n a eo e th t I waan't a le 'o 4et..S.n• the s h OP 1ntent1one of the en _ •
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Q. d and tr1 to . te Wba' net what th -r lnt acted os.
• rro al1oatng of 'PI'1 neJ'e Jou ooul4 ·tlon ·n 111 - not a b.
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Q. Wba' uae 414 ro make of tam\
A.. we etanaar4 fo'l ao• ent . n .
da thl • wlt G te, to..
Q. . to h no SOP tor att.
A. No we did not.
Q.. JU4- 1011 baYe m h ()f probl w1 th repla en'•'
A. we 1el.do . o' Hpla · r r ·la
Q. Do you get ot11 er th ame yt
Q, Howw,.e Ute7 •• to u· l'J for :r plaoe ent '
.1.. tnd1.U..Ur tho n .er all :r1 ht b 1: ther laoked tr 1nlnf• • we • , oaed ~o l>e t .Jtalne4 J'S.tl•en 'bt.tt thQ' weNn t
. rltl• ,. ~'' en v • ann 't ao before a . aft •• 1 '
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A, q eam 1 • · ,.,.,. It w cm\44 • tb• tor a bUe toPe tro1 · tn'lo t l t ·· 4 h • be«t · ett.er •
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Q. !a oVl•r wonts, When 'he \Ultn.lhe4 · ass. · lt, rou k_ept hla llMoatona le u4 wbeA \he t1'alne4 an ·ne d , .. 1Jtt.
.. ,1oalfts, f1)U ga'fe 'btm all the 'trl lnget
A. 'l'bat'e rtgkt.
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In thle qu•\told.JlfJ 4l.reot. 4 'OJ ,. ala intal .. a. d1d tber bJ to ge' ,:.;utloulU' !-'ltOtl Of tnlom tlo t
ftle lat Jlprttes-e baA oer,aln 41 v1 uon lut ruotlona and tbeb t , .... th.. the q eetlou t walltt« anawerd. Ther w\114 aappl•••• 'hi• ao o.-dlng 'o their owa • .,_ len . to tt•' the ln~ ~atloa deel•e4•
D-14 7ou ba•e aueoeaa ln detentn1ng en_, 1ntent1on.a'
We t'l'lel to do \bat ln the queetlon1ng aDd had e oo o ln 1t.
Mel r llalte 1 a n -aet1 • te gl'V'e E!'e to you• B-21
I 1'1111 o. W'e dl4om reoe1Ye4 Ell fl'Otl dl Tl lon 1n the tlre t fA ... , thet'l we •o,-e or lese o'Yere4 ·. l tn the ftftal o1'4er,.
'l'hhe O&ttld be olaeatd ae ~-Et• s; thla oon.t1 ube P"••• ' - the whole oy.HtJta tlo t
Yel.
. r kllow bow th ttal.loa 2 was g · ne ally emplorect' ,_., ~•r usl4 •• reeonnaiaeanoe oft1oe.et .
We 1bllle the •letake la the beclnnl ot eendlng th et~t wS. pa. .· 11 but I • opptlCl ,._," . er ot aep-.t a4 fl'O t · CJP for a lone tf.IM and re ld.e to tuftllh •• wl.th . lwfo· ·· attoa. t Jteqatred th• to atq oloee to tit• oP ad aot p w1 th pa11'0ltfl When h., o . ut wtth J)atl'Ole theJ cot •• , of ,. h vl th ... .,.u. ...
Q. Dl4 70 tlM tba' ftl •• auol• ·w ,-·e neoea•an to oonf1m t.ntoaatlo · that JOlt had gotteft 'V aome othezt patro1at
A. t 414n•t• I a nt otft.o 1'1 oa pa,rola btl M\ to ftl'ltJ what oth•• patrole had bro ght 1n •
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ifk' fa 1 '"• Vla' the bat,allon "'auun4el's re prone to uee / ./ Ill • auee he le a Juto• ofttewt
/ A. ftlty are J)I'Ofte to uee bl.•: and alao no• 11 ten te bl•
w eaU.o • !he rea t was '' wae h~ •o ~~et info .., tl• ..
Q. JJo 10. 'hlnlt lf the 'bat"tallen. !-2 wer e oap talft 1t wou14 he1p. urt He abo1114 'M • oaptata and eb&old .,.,. oloee 'o the GP. !be b•ttallon oomaandeJt get; a •o 1nYol ve4 he to~eta to aft4 'batlt t.ato-.atloa. J look to the 2 tor 1Dfo tloa rath.e• tbaa the . tta11ort eoamut.er.
" . YOU.P 00 paftJ 0011 t ~ . P1:a1 \MI'e t hey 8UO . M 1ft gl Ylq re• lntoNa,lon or were the, ln •'
A. We ba4 t ·1• get'l: tb.s and tner were sn• •• . 1 Wou14 ntbel' th., 'o o · tallon and l et th.ea turd.ah ua 14U wha' 11 ~lapp . "«• I 'hink 'that th 'talloD • .a •• abould ••• tha' thoae thlne;a set batk - .81ment.
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A. tlhta ro• . :p t.nto ao••'hl r••• lkterralt· aD4 l•t ••• "••• appi"'dlla,~lr •• 10 t_ each !ltre. t uplo,-.- ., rt.~$4••' · .._, lif••S.• • 4•• eplng fl'oa flanQ Wl tld.a lvppo#tlac 41a~•· - .
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,4.. t •• a'll7 b.e14 oae battalloa ln l"Her••.
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oaaoa o.rap-.Jaf Qd -• pla• o, · of th.e afttl•tW Qo.apapr wl th a \1 ,, • ., ef utl1l•l7 t eaoh battilloa.
Q.. Yov. ir' ., ... _..,. BG p •rhl wetpoft 1UldeJ- JOW;I' oo•trol t
A. 1 41-•1411 ' to · _ 'ba _ •, l tblllk 1her .aa hol« o ' • leq tt.e bl·t _,~ . tlff, ultr " . -. • ha.S. oa the paM of 1 - • •• •• · the7 tall . . 1'0 P . · • ·. • Utt'" ' • - el ft 1 • fbl• baa toUe4 a lot of Ptnl•, ct•• ' tht t.-au •'-' · . ~io • •t•·
Q. ,.._ 1t hlt• ••ta4all lt gete "o be a r.eslmen'll tlpt U4 •r ha'f'-e left tbe ••'
A. Z· . •• • rt _ "-• _,al pte r •
ca. J toa'' a • O'W " eo o•e:noa "hat pa.t1oular pnttl•·
A. t toa•t N.tb.••·
Q. Jn4 1•• s• t to oool'lllaah a taok at an1 time when 11he tltatlo · .., ... ,..., o-.-1 t
A.. 1 • we 4l4 wl'll the ae,. • •' ra · o, l'alr. we at•••• wit ·• _.,..,_,, • aweaet • a 4aftlsht •"'• . •
Q- Dti to• •• roo ..-e.-e '•''allo p W'1a11,t ... ' . ,
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Q. , 4 f'G'U ba4 a 't1m battalion att•u' A. 'fee • .
"· If 1•• had a ••••r'f'• ba,'lal1on you we\114 haYe u ed 70U. t'teene weapoaet
A. % wolt14 h•• put t»• all ln 'htre • eveJ'1"'hlng. 'lhe ao~e ro• have the •'te,- lt worlla out.
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Ill o»t•P .... , oa JOU llll,_lal Glt,Ht1Yt JOU W01l1.4 4.tt••r WIth eTfl'J'thlng .. art111 e-rr, oanaon~. aott,are, tukt lll4 antt•'Uk gUtt
I••. EY•JIJ'thlng. Yott bav a be,ter hlinoe.
In that onaeo'l a, ln · ecard \o hea'f'7 wtapoae, w t-eaoh · h' u ••slga:lna · hlnt PJl8 to a oompDJ, we g!Ye lloth •oblu s • ad • ~._., · n aa area ancl ther trill lo<* .t.a •ut atea Ud fir• w1 •Mn ua talae4 pola'•. Go ..••.-t.•• • -oae up 1n l'eprd to lh• vld'h tor the o:rta.H u4 •• hlae pat, o u14 you "oall aaytblq that 1 : &llf .., wQld 1!a1t tb.a' or liTe aomething •• a gul4e as to how thq us• thelr weapoa• lal t1all7 la attackt
ltd.t1allr we t!'i to ••• dl of them t · suppcnrt of the •tta ll .Ud •• tor &Q' *'P . :lflo uaea, I don't tb:lDll • 4lt putlPl.Ulr that. '!'he battalion omm· . 4er uae4 thea
· ft'tel' he •hough' be&'.
oa •he ••• aubJet t 414 \her -.ue pu' la the !)repuatlo pltor '• 'he 1-.p orft
fop the Jlortare •• aaOhill.t pl\t 11\ the h• "'1 weapont 10111}).., t . well14 ••f thtJ t ~u1a .llr tool '*"'1•11• &f eppor,Ult71 nt 1ft · 41t.lo we ba4 a · 4.1 rao!ttar rapaat •••allr •''-ohe& t~ ' e battalio~. and it d14 take p-.t la pllt\lac d wa * prepara,l.on pi'1P to the at1aok.
ftat •a au teaeld, ~ ; there '• no ee for thea to 4ap~1oa'C• tlPlRC of utillfrtJ. fheJ . oot44 rtplaoe a:rtlllet-r lll • e •u •· An4 ''' v:e ge' a nuaber of people ~oDl e•e._ •••• elalm o•r teaohlng lt enttr lT tal •·
A• B'hJ7l>o41 get• a dltte•eat 'flewp&ln-..
ct. Sa • · . eo,lon tr1 th hea"f tMapoa• • . do rena re•all •h• Qpndll•'•· dla ••• ehld 'h• . ac!Yueirag lroopt tha 'll• .b. •Yr •orMH •••all1 a tay·ed t
A. .boe4 SOO 'So 1000 F&J"de. The1 tFled te get to that poa111o .• !ha''• 'be bett poeltlon.
'· Dll ro• u•e •o•nd poweJt wl:re to •b.• Ml ex ent ot soo ,.,.., A. Ob•tna.tlaa •• exo•llen' lJl ltal{ a.nd t 4 bt 1t we
..... ha.d to so 900 ra.rcte fo'l' 0\il' phonea.
• What t wa• 1Jhl llll •f '!' • ft la t .tallllq biJ'e, tlt••.,.tl . hU 'o •aa,la11&11J •••• to~ -t lte . c ,.... •t •n• t .-pe auut t tboUl ., b& : tu '' · tl • weol .-.~. la ltalr wh•H r 11 ha't"e tho• • • ' t .wen-a •oatatat.
A.. lo, 1bat 4l4a ,,, batJpea tleJte •
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Q. Jut . tilt .. · ""' ot Jo - . :• tl•a• 'u••· 41d rou. ba.-. a ••rrat.a •Wlu · o · · ' ,. ha•• b.el'-e t ·
•• b1 ilalll ,. ..... a • n·~ lall ., ' ... aJlC1 • 'hat -.ue th• GeftUI were 100tlft6l 4o'WJl our tbftlt·•· we ,. •• btaAltqp _ bJ tae. laok ot OJ·• •. Yt "''eel the roet• t hou••• a . 4 towen • _,.b.lq •• ecnd4 tlilA.
Q. l1l htllr teft'ala ro r ••obt•• 8Ul:tl ••14 a1. ao to11 w l>·thla4 the ti'OOPI a goe4 4lataaeet
A. , tee.
Q. l)ld beJ att•pt to k tp d7 U?f'J weap Ita Up wS:th ~h• . •'•••ll•g ... a. •a P•' A. <J 1 eal17 lol.l•wta the pMil4lple t ll:IPP011.lag th• ••
J6V. •••_. • ___ It l i hell•• }')lltttq th• ln oel tlo · altd 1' ft'Ossl -'Df plat ·oaa •• ,._ at tuati 4 a4 _ •
,. In ...... • -• '·~· aok.,. 414 ro•• h ... .,._ ' "_ ' late · rat ·. e •• 1\P Oft a : ll t .ae to s-.p·el • 00 . t
4. • to ct•lQUg ••tten we an r got a tu•tt 04 ba Ul J atlel' w« 'Gok b-$•o1l•• eo bat •• had -plGlf of ttae t• 8J!&aatll• •• OYe'tt.
Q. Ai • lbt ••• of actl'iia,.a. • ,. h••• had cU••u•t.·lo • •• to
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1Jhttaer '••· G-81 a Jt1are •b: ul-1 • __ - · ••*' ~r or 1••• 1h• a . tte7 nlht• thu u w '•••· · • tha' rou '*' .,. • • tt ·· t ot • ~'tare o. • _ _ _ · ne unt• Pd o ~ 1 pl _ • . u4 o••_· ' .• the Pe .r, ao lla.l . up all Gf th · Wl'bla \' OJ~ 110. 10'4 •
J ·aa•t aJleve• that ••••lioa bu1 t am tu.~• it aer earpl 1 • • llk• a ba116., 'J wolll.4 baTt hea . · abo ' lt. J a ••~'~
tba't •ll•t dt,.tt. • probablt plorea th · approdlla••lr .. , .. ,.. . .... Q. 4a f•l' ••- rota t.aow t"r• ••• D ba,t•PJ •plopentt
A. fhat '• rlgb,.
Q. 1fow14 10• .Q roa ey:e7 • e droiS a el tuatloa whePe •})107• • · ' n1d.-4 •• a.. _ 1•'
A. It ·1 uu•t41 It rou ue 't;h:at ro• ~· pf'Operlt rou ehot44a•t rn to to· tu"·
'4~ AlJ - t . ata•tt.on o the slope. «14 roll ••ore · . •• 'he .... ·"·· 4. Up tU tht $,bt !left •• ~sanl•el o:u o.bJ• t1Tt, beo.•a••
we ha4 . Mia _ eo ,.,. -. k · •• qalaat . •· 11
UJ _ •111 ell lhe fo..._rd • . -~ · • I oft'* thld the • ••• . - • . l . be·
•· Btw 1 414 '" 11k• o. rt Jli•Jd. ••• .. · t •. 1t .. l'f.
Q.. ll J bUt ~ I etano • t • ho14S.l'lg atta.-. i•lns ad• ta a """' t
'· , .... 414. •• h-.4 • •'1611. ft ., . . . ........ .., dltflftlt pl• • •I t · la.. th.t · •11att bel& wl ~ ••• • _ p&JV •-'• • _ . la. • lll'Y•l . . _' w1 th •.b• o'thev two •
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.Ql. lt. 40 7oa · tf.tlJ* ·tile . .laft'l.e _n •o141•• ataH.t 'Qp ag&bat the .,.,_. ln4lft.4 ·. _ ·t .rt
A. If oa • · ''"' wat a '•'' · .11 G st.. · ·• 1· ·4.uct la 1••• and 'h 7 :taM h_. tlfo and -• halt r••" •Jtp•-rt•n••· • -.l44 ••1 ~•1 •••. J ''· •• JO :•• tbe IW _ . 1 ltiet-. Th• lUll wd.' l ... ueilp •• •• tlle t fottlttN vl b • r•••'• tnlrd.nc }. · lt requlHI tb.a' le~a 6f tl•• .o · '••u aa etn• • •• ! : •t 1ille optaiCJa . o • u1a l:J.e tell1 •••• wt tho 1 a goOd r•u•• ~P&lalJll. 11 o~r 1? ••••• la a t ••usa. to• ••• • 4ltt• .. •• · ttl. tll aa ••1tt t llle <~l&PI • -th•J bow how to • ft a_nd ••• .U 'be b · •blpa tll•T .- . lnto. · ·
Q. low t14 1lte 'ba _ • w . •• t
•• •. •r lht4 1t •••J;JII ··h • . ft · · ha4 a 1lttle dtfflcd.t, due· o fa91'7 aqunlt~J~t· but 'hit wae floft'-et•ed with. b••t•l'
1lftlt1 ••
lfoY ••~ 'h rltle gr-e ad•·' A.. 'fhe rlflt g"raadt ne 'feJT efteet1•• toe.
'· Wha~ pfl"•ormel • used to llalte llP 'Ul~ Po· ket tea•
A. w• lla · llG deftnlte t am etablished. t thlftk 'tht-1 were lesue4 ae to • equad.
4· Ia iteUln& H81meta1 tnleJ' , whom 41d the 1!1 tt~lo ..-..acr •s~l.J brlag'
4. Vluall.J h1• h! ....
Q.. !l14 rut plelt up tbt al'tllle'fi'1 lla1&on otf1oel' ther~'
A. rea. R1gh' th•r •
~. Along the et~bJett . •f ot'der , 1a t a4h1~s l'ltl• toapmea we em•• tll b.portaaoe ot enutll e1.' 1ta4era •• tl,. tate>ftla,loa •• tal' 4o · · a.a th•r oaa . et-.H •ta-rtl a ..,.. l'dinateA at~a • htt-w auoh tlae 414 rou gl'te so that th•7
woVl4 haY• time to le•u these ordera'
A. ! •n. . to glTe 1h._ -le ,tm.. l think tbat•e 1fef'J 1~ po:r'tut. ltl th the •••l•• eo1&!e.-, lf btl 4on•~ k· *' JG want 'h · t ·o A tb 'I tall don od do.ntt boW when to ;o. Tt$t Al&a•t Ill • work be ,a se hlgh.er heat. taart•r• ltd not st•• •• •})1• tta•. ·JeNo allr, I a1 :r• •n. to gt•• thea •or• ba •Pl• tl••·
'l· b *''•*' olll JG11 uve al\1 td ea ot hoV ••oh tlll• th• ••pdf • •aa4• ~ atter he :reoei veA M• attaa OJt•r u ll the tlae t _ I .P ottt
A. rue •vle& o·. ·etA•• blF· Moat of tb• 'Ita• there wae act ••ffltl••• ·u.a• at1owe4 hf bipu hea4(luart.u •
,. ... •••• geae .. .t nat••-' her-e o•ePl . 0 ._ ... . 4 . ., . 4 t 1e81d.: ol'tt" that the ••~alton tol11Qn4e . :tal4 o-re
&f • .a.atJ · of tt • attett • r•••t,.., ....S..•a1ial o.t•••• lt . .,., \tdoM th• atta le • · _lr 1 _, .a.. tou • . d4 haY. U~e , _ . . ' ,,, flf COUJtlt *" 6, · 7&ll . -. , t
4. I o *' •• , . · . q ·o01Jl4 4 s.• · t t.e. I hUe : . two tt ttlft• b• •· _ tbel" woril, tile 110•• t . ·. p tta•• u& 'll• 1.,., . . •• h&'ft, ae· • ·o1l -. -
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{l. • • .., ... , 1t .., ...... ,. • •t t ,h •• .a... , ... , . -.. ~'-•'• ·- · ·a•• ·• .4 aboM••' .·1• o·. ·en ·. :t tlla.' tie aalltl' oite ftt4l aYe 1bt s.-.•• J>&.t of ,,. .....
A. that •• ~uat -., ~ap:pena. fbat ls abaolll\elJ o,,.. .•• ,. '
Q. Wt ftti. tn.i ttte tu 1ow•J- Ul1 1hat bae to 4o · th• aet11t1 · .flgh,lns M4 ihtt ue th• on•• ao •ho1ll4 haft ••• .lJulk ot the tlat. . ·
A. fha' • a right.
(l. •• t. ' ••• .,. ·•ap••• in ncar~ to ., . ..... , ... la •errll'tllsei ooatrol 'When 70t1 aot\ta117 bit nba1t
A. O.r pnotl.ee Yas to keep the hea1t' .-eapoae oompaalee un4e;r 'battallon o•ntl'Dl wh•J?nel' p~Uislble .•
Q. Do taer haYe oe ael&• to be a'ble to hl$oh ftP • t
A, J Wotl14 ••1 ther 414. ~·r eou1.4 twlt·tb. 'he t·L••• t11o• e>n.e •• ·u~on to anoiheJ» if th .. at tttattott dlaUcte4 1 t.
Q. »14 Jou •••;r fildf ... of Pllltag pll'tlee 1n a11 attempt •o set S.afol"'l.atto . t
ot raidtng p~let s•oh •• t• aotaallf go oYer ••« O'*Ptlrt pr1•onera. · · dld use patql• to so cn.tt t -o • omaltt pol at. · . .
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'" W.lll4 r•u · .. ·. eat oa .,o " ••••'••••• u oo•~••'t..BI ••t.• pthoUtl sa. etl•\Uk ralaett
.A. ••.· ·. J!d lnt.o a lo' . at . •1• · • • P.rlnolp.dlt at~ng 'he a'teauee ot cpp.roa ·h, roa4a1 bridges that b4 'be•D ~l&wrt, opat ., •• ., • la h-an • of ¥ pest. tl n the <leJ!JIMt were oo'lllp,.. liis. fhe1 ha4 tt-lp ... ., M4 bo·oby tra.p• aJ.•-. ri'lt. •1 . : •· A1.to a1l1 l .lk.-!7 8 looatt.ont • .. •• bancllel that ltt ._ •• ._ lag tht mlne pla,oon ot the aftt'l•'ul! eoatpdtF wlth wtiAt w• oalle4 a Dlixte <let•otor plate~ ' we he4 18 .~. •• c!.e,ettors . ata!ga.a t• th• ·~l••' u4 41'f1414 'th1• plato~• lnto 1;b•• •4•-'• ot ••• 4• 'IOt()ra eaoh. t at·ta,tld • squ.tA 1lo tlle l>attall•• •• 1 t aoTe4 toftaPd. tt lt a .. 4e4 tn, we • 1 · • 1t thf othef bat1allene d14a't aee4 thtm at •• tt:a•.. fhts• e4..a1 •~•t4 ft:rwaM . t.il adYecelll*l"'l t&_.... tlon,. OJ' 1 t the &Gapa · , .. •• ope:ta tlftg on a wt. ·• ft-eat; Btt:M<l f-ut. Th•[ ••~ · • tner wen.' towsatd . ud lf
Z. loo·a e4 a • · llt thtJ ft\Jl4 ra.- l t ao til6 . ·the !leD 1ae a cU. tfe . fO ~t al•Q:g 'be .... Wl th . 1bl ·••· fter •••• 111pitl•-'t4 t t ·ht •ta• A•tec;tl'l •• •
· t "'' .•.a,U..rt, 'Wht we•• atta•b• '- ••· lit ••. ,.,_.. la . tilt tlt14 tlt • . . l••.•• WOld& ••••• the .-oa4. the •ta• cltt•olbg a en •1ll4 ••*"-' allaltl4tre of r ae\1.
'i· Itt roa fta4 adf •t th• oo'fel'el ~ leaan tt.r:e'
A, 1fJlta t •-" •• • • ••ttl••• ,... ea "br-'f.&het -.t blotfl lll'ldc••~ ••• ., l •• l>td'ltcl ttl ••
Q. YnlA ,.. ••r we aae a •l•'*' aea fl ' aoh tbat . ·~· •• . .., lut .._ ...... t~l ~- ~:ro•at•1 t••'YIA "' •• •• ._, _. apt to fl · mt ••·• utU"t., ooaua-.. 1loa• al\<1 ••r•~•·•
A.. lo. '- • . :t..._... 'e.l'hh roll hatte 11o toU.ow the f\48t 11 ·•·
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~. reopl• . •• •• a •-r that we ah .0.4 tea .. ••••·, to p tp the 4nwt, tea •• the ft&Jla haTe til• tOifi ,.._ ....
A. that t I a ·etb:lag JO ba•• t-o tl o t.
Cl. Dl.A reu •as-s• .ur %'l1't1' on••lac•' · 4. It. We MD • t b'f01 Yect 1 tae nta1q t the V 1 'lllri.\O.
lh• •11J ••••• we Oha•tA wert s11n 1 •••11J tol"401• .at •' tbat tt.e tber •• •tuallJ drr.
Q,. rw 4l4a'' ftDI •laet a1•1'll •h• banllt of •h• ••r•••' A. t••· lh• · ••• blew •••w 'br14 •· loa wul.A al1M7•
ft. · ~ atA•i;~·taeM. ·
t.. ,.,.~ ~qh, u . r•• au .• , •• ;.,.... · •1• . •• . c• - ~- . wS.tll• t o · ·. ur aiattt
4.. the •lu t.•t•o'laf . P••P• t : . \b• .4 a a.a th• ·ad tbe ., •• plato•.a tf tb• a ll•t .. . IOIIPU7 would ~e•ctY •• pl.•• the · laeei't.
Q., 114 ro• tTer ar,e thpeugh • al.ttt"flel4t
A. 1 · . alcb tar •• dl4. we had a lo' · t ••• ·al tie• but a . · \ll ~·•• 1 t•r an4 ••• l f we caou.ld tt.n4 .-o her ,., • so ..... . ,h ...
Q. •• ••• a p.-obl• la Will . h lt • P'•ltl ta . •••• • .. JYiir llt14 •1 ••tilt t.M•• P4 tbel'. lt • al . •:tlt1 · la . · •'• u Mlutl•n lt t t •• eea4 ue · •• ., a. · flta 1h•
f1 · ·_ • ,.,. . a • _ •• •••• 4 o• ap•oiallr ~ p pe '" p la a4 at wtN &n4 get the mln•• o t • ie \hat .. '
•• In Ill a· p•U v1 p \Jl .1 we baY• ao •• he • cla••r•. h•~4tl allr. a d 1••• p • ••• plata a, were thtt equlppt4 · o ., . •• &*PPl t
A. ••· •• b.d. • Qtolal plat · ••·
Q. Ott 7011 ' ihat 11 a •• •elu,1oat
.&. 1 t. . · , lettl . 'b 4o • htr intenttt.
Q. ·1 . • 414 •r ftA4 ••••••U'J to ••• t .o oo · tiA ·• J~tt~Mn-F . oJ1p pl•••••• 'Wl t lA the ht,avr weapoat ,,,,
•· '- l · · _u• ttl 1l1e of he •qua4e 1 the be•v - _. · " '• •• to ~h• •• ti'Oil th• .. tile eempalea •
....... ••• •• q htt "-•••• we • at o••• 15-~ oTeflil. •• · . J.a ··tflo._ ad •• ud 1a get'lJag repio ta we •••lt .. th .· oa that ltlete.
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Q. »14 1011 •• th• • bll11J!l• '1P'-paolct
A. ·1•a, tn• iblr4 Dl't!lslon b~t ta• ov r.
•· Jl4 ro• ••• 'll1 t.P.t at1•·*•' A. •• aa4t lot• o# · Wt · 'I • 414 att o44 1blJ18. we 144
,~,. •• •• ltgh1 wl'l • ·"p.•t~ l•t ::N t•m_ . to., • • _·. .... lt -~' ...... u ' . f1'l'' • u .·' ·:7 tb:• 14P.tt wt.-. •otallih'• whleh h.S.ptl a go . ''-'-"' lft •• ,IHiill. · t t ·••• paM t•ftatlfia_ Ul .. hl~ •••l•t-
•· fll* tta1l••• wold& ~ - ~01 oat or- 1ivo o , . · ••• d tb .. ~,._.., ••tW en u4 ·• _ • o _l·•• . W. -- ,.. to ltTel.., the •ttll•tloa. We._. oa• lta.lb•••'• &18._. · •"t•k fltl. tOUtil of· _. tfhlG, 111\4•1' 'Ch• .. OI't t~J1ft8
· ·_ . &.o • .., '•~tall•• ••• .aau .a • •lsh· •''-*· t'lt )att.U e.o•ater hd. 'o ade a r••: _ alttanoe au ••••t- o.f -••••••• t•1ag aU kiat• .t -••••· th• · · · t\11 o at$Ultl wt lh tw . ap.aal... • - . ••' • · u • Te~ blat& 1\111. lt rt~l.t n• a actunta1o. tb• 4-•••• ,.... on ttt• •·t.4t ot 'h* hlll ·_ p . ' 'll'P· a '•'• . 1a Hl• · •· ••Nllr •pedlftl• th• attaA •• aa4• •• tt_ ght 11.- a~ tsht •• _. •1 a1l4 •• •••••• ful.
Q. Dl4 tb., at,aok w1 'h he a til"lng wl.th tlse4 lt&Joaettt
.&. R1h tu )"oatte bUt a 1 ftl' ·. '•Jllll they re 1 1io tae Gti'laa ll••· tht attt..lllet' p t Aoe a l))~W U ift · .· •t 1• •~' to l~a: ''' htorf thev J· -_ p _ ott·; th.t . · htltwA lt aM wta't o• r&U(Jb. We "*R lft'G • . thll*t · _ 1 •• we w.at along.
'l· • • ., 70 ba4 • p· " • · •rw••Jtt • ,._ llbtt*·t pl•naettt
A. 1• u pl.llfUlet I lt . tU reiU.l · ot )&ow the . ap •• a_·._ _,. _,.t_11••• ~··*' to ___ P_· ua·. _. · •tt•r ~a• ,,_...:, 1tt ..,,, ftgb • · -lall7 .· 11a4 ,. t•h4 • l'Ptl'Yt . P*'J \etwtea ltle •• l •• IU'Ol&P •
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4. ••r •••• · · ••ntc)Jt t .o tbe Iron · • tber 414 ••• flo .... ft..U _· ' .., : • .•••
Q. tf tllJ \ ·t . .. . lt ot tbtta.&h •\tou' lha -.. •t •• .r .l .. tlli -~ )J ct.-1 .. 1 1 ·~- th• wort:• • wMob. 4o tow . ••l)l·efl"M •e'
A. t · · ·. lM t.e clft.n · th . th wo•l•· ~t wt11 , • .,.. •••81-\ltt : a tu loa; .· •
'· Jl . th* ~•-tilt tu• put tn · · .f .ulage at taok• t
•· tbu ·- 1 '-•1 b 1alcbs fl _.,el"la )nlt 'hat wa•••t • fl.ll'lt ttta , tt wa•-a•t TeJT •t.i'Obl17 he14 el' oqanta .... tl, pJ'ilJOlt>allJ' PlP•'*•"
4·.. D•· 11.-'l. · ~ .. l• JltUr and lt*lr. were the1 ••allJ' oa •out$ tileat
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<&. h •b•r ha•e a11•1• 1tt
A. tl\•1 •• to•M•· , ... ho · .e an 1oae toe ~h•Jt w1 t ••--, •••allr of •'otut ott atla.ou.
Q. Wollld ~he tt9oope_ go through the co•rt yarost
.&. 11 'hey ran in'o t'e•ls,anc.e they woul4J most ot o~ atTan •• ~·);'• us•aUJ go1ng on al te:matt e14 • of the str eta. w• 4Uat._ u•e *'1 a<ttaok of • fo~~lt114 to~. u in Oaseuo.
'· &a 'lb.!lt t,-,e oannoJl •• ro -r oJlganlzati ·a ttqulp})•4'
4. We bA4 •n·r.-p~ell · ?tte aat lOI 1a. I q 1n ra•oP ot tll• s~t•pl'op.lle4 gua.
q. Dl4 you haTe &' 1 s Gt' ~'7 1 at
A. ~7 '• lJt. \he utl..-'talllt. t-.panl••· :t llJre th• If YeWJ •••· I te•t.. l t eho.~ld be • .lf-p.fle.pttll-.. !t 1e aw t; •••• t-J'O ,.4 tal tt• etf'•ot la so geitod lt 1• rt.h lt. It hat tb• p.a•h u • .••• ..,. .
Q. < r.u. flacl I. t 9"ffeott•• agatas lutall•'lops o~ ~aaohlae s-ns ug ln p111boxeet
A. % ha'f4Jfl'i AllY 4etlll1tt 'llhwlMgtt ot that but lt ls •tf•tU• ... aln•t big tank e.
Cl• •td <the latant7f r•·oel'f anJ trfllnlq woftleg wlt:h teklf
&. Wt bJt4 •ery 11 ttle.
Q. Ho• clld 'he S.ntantl'J uee th · tantt•' A. I use4 1 t•nke to aooo pe:r the attaettng .lntant.JtJ. U
lht lafantJ7 lfel'$ pll\. e4 own the tult• ftll ' o t at\4 •o ·:t 4own the Pt•i•U••- abeaa _.t lahPtl'f. ll'he taakt ltlea would •'op ua wal1; toP S.nt.an'br:r to atoll "P• !hi .. ••• vert eueo•••M. ! tt-ied th al.a •• atttl•1i.U gd• in the dt'tensf of Sal•t'QO behind the t1Pat 4tt11ade of tbe front l.lttee, and agat.n theJ praYe.cl etfeot1 v•. On a thl~ . oeca•toa I need thea as a baee of fir• la attack st <JaaJ'41& .. tber l'tinfe.1'ee4 th., ttre• of the battali&n •nd w•re ettu•t.••··
Q.. Diet you na.-e .&ft7 eouvet.r t . att'blt'
4. ; •• d1dn '' have th t tPOublt. 1he m d14 oolleo' • lWeftlr• bllrt no' to ·the dtt·tt.mpt of our o1f11 eqtJ.lpme-at. '!'net oap . ~tel'llan -•• •nd tl'le4 1ie Qse t.h• bui we hal to a• p that. It waa too 4a.ngenue.
t. Whe •1ita1tkln• fohar4 and 1he attae ls ttraporarlly •to-_ eel,. 414 the.r dlg foJhol.e• oP ktep o• go1q f'erwar4:t
4. I• tn• io lJtprtea oa them to oonti u• fol'Warl.
1. t othe .. wol"d•, 1 t t «1etate4 ~ the e1 tQat1oa at he tlatf
•. tut•• l'lg t • .
tJ) ro'P' e.J.fPer.tenot, to what ext~t d1d the Gcn.•aa J! td.ae U4 4•tw H•eree 8l.et.ett
'I 4q t' J'-eo.iU _., le• •ntt of that-. tn •r optr•-l ll tile • ttq _. •ostlt d:tla,t • tl . •1 the ~1"11••· Wh wt 1- a 'o th• ther •~• •• o.• tonant tlop• •• ••• •• I o•o Plll•b.e~. 'l'b.IJ wtl*e on 'ht ••a•• _ · ·•at .... ., .. .......
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Dl-4 J01it t tl th y did a good job of de1ay1ng aet1on•
4n ~-•l•n1i ~,ol:J. !ht7 a" past nula,era in fighting .. l .. ,leg te~ratn.
About tb.e t.ft41vl4u1 aan la tb.e att--i •• JOU no"loe4f •• 'thtH ;aartl\lftl tqt r•••bltl. •1\ a · a squad Jt\\P or eometl'd.:Q& larser than tha:t, or was 1t all ·more ..,, 1•~• $JUi .-. i'atm1ng tour or five 1arda and ettl1'1ns theret
Xblllt~«.,lo-n was geces-allJ what happenta .. 1nd1Y1duals .- s•~.Ag thi'OU£b..
Jt_ TOll. haA to go acroee an exposed arp that you knew •• aot ocu.p1e4! voul.d JOU attempt to get en the other eidt ot the te~ra n teatUTe by infll tretion or get bun bed D.n• o • nunrt
A.. OJ'\l1nU11y tbey emplo;yed 1nt11 tt'at1en ... small - columns .. •~rt of a wedge.
Q. • the fiw ••••YG.' stages of a poa1 tit) -. ttnde~ eoYe:r ot · fttrt, did tbe7 ever actttilly get up a-na go in wl th · SJ11J . tW t
A. No, I 414n' t see any ot th t.
'l- ln OUJ' Problem lSe ... Demonstration of Attaek, \ie make a f1aal •••au t preoedtd. br tr endouc fire of all kind, wh•:re artillert 11tte and one platoom goes forward, ean 1' be 4on• that w t
A • . I 4on • \ th1nk 1' would be done.
Q. thls 11!J the last p.lace, going lnto pGs! tlon defin1 tely oceapled.
4.. J 4on•"S belieYe it would actually be done, · hat waJ.
(.\. OJlt 8l"OU.p going 1ft le better than two ga1ttg on tl:\e r1gb1; u,d two gol~g o.n tbe left?
Oel. ·Hamil t~n .. I don't th1nt 'the tnemy pos1tlon ls eTer 4et1Ute eJU••Ch to know.
Q. then Wha' ls the use of puttlne: the time on !t if 1 t tsn•t WO:tk1n& .... b•aed on getting as mamr men ae we ean 1n the fo.dOle•t
C 1. IIJallton - 'l'htJ went i · 'b7 11t,le groupl at the loltune Bl1'er. It doesn't wol'lt a.long a w1de llne tboagh.
A.
we pl ~o put •••wtb!D& l.a an4 get pel'teot cono ntn,tloa • tk• tnfantPy golng within 150 f&rda. We teaoh that her • lf it 1•n't all right we should throw 1t out. The 4e1ead•l" .U.l be !.n a stutmed oond! t1.on and 11 we oan get on h!.a .. · ettlo~a _ •••n eaoq,b 'he thlq will worie out. Of aouztee th•~• 1e a tla1ng el ment thett• .... ~lult ma1 lead m.,. 1nto 4eatll trap•
.• 4 ~t~.*J\e we sQ.ol4d teaoh 1nfll iJ"&t1G . • Aooordlq •• •••.,. tll1,.. . f0\1 t•id abou" asaaul t. 1 t _ woul4. ~ppea-r ~hat f.nAJ" b$J,._. tq : • 1\0Pe ol!" 1••• ••te4. Do JtlU thll1'k it le d1tfic.-ttl.t ill 00 -trolling •• ••••Ultt
S1i 11, 'b•oattae defeJtee p(i)s·! tloas are ee lH'•s.lila~.
Q. tt we had. reeo"'ered. and '~• were abl · to control •esaul. t, to rou fS*l vt should try ltt
A. It you Gould get e_.agh •u•i.1lleJ7• 1•s· '1.t JGU oold4 · H'f$l' •nougb. u••· Jn all mr t1!Pe1'1•no•• · tlle't qnii · lft ln 11'ld!V1dttal .gl'o~s. · ·
~. ln oa1e of ttei!aul t . by · 1nf1lt:rat~:on or small g•oitpe. lt would seem ~t wottld g1Te tbe t.¥1111 oppoP,u.nltJ ia pU' al~ _ b.is _ 11:re 1n on$. plaee and then 'Wh•n th• otlaez- f. rap a4•aat••• put .n1• the~. . tn other ~I'd••· we cum 1 tt ts.F• ln a QooJ!ttlaate a•sattl' but I, <loa•• llke l t. t thlak Qtlr "'' le bet'••· I 'belt..••• lft ooor41na\lo1'1 • putt1~ fUll to ro-e of a:1sata1t vi th protecting 11r••· · I • . for tb!e gro\tp go!ag ttp 1ato poaltlo.a d1tg 1 • t Ul ~h1nJd.ng 1!t teJ'Ila of a pJ-tib.l.• aM lt tht.s la n•'U workllble we are making a m1ete•.
4. I doa 't 1h1rut. you will get men to do tha1. Xt has to ._ a small grollp.
Q;. M•:r&e 1 t is a qu ttl on ot what we mean by a sraall g:r.ou.p.
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