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Ref: FREEDOM SEEKERS --12/22/99

You have posted a page posing questions for those thatare Christians. I personally take issue with thethings you have said.

>>Why is it that the Christians who defend and support

these killers all seem to think that they should beset free?<<

This is an inclusive statement that is far fromaccurate. I support any individual that has become afellow believer in the death, burial, and resurrectionof Messiah. Moreover, I stand firm on God's abilityto call and sanctify anyone, regardless of who theyare or activities they have participated in.

Nevertheless, I do not advocate ANY murderer, whether

regenerated or not, being released from the sentencethey were given. Especially on the basis that theyhave been regenerated by the Spirit of God. Not onlyis this unbiblical, it is illogical.

What I would submit, however, is the fact that manymurderers are released from prison systems throughoutthe US on a daily basis. The murders they committed were just as horrifying, and hurt the family and friends of the victim just as much as any! It is notJUSTICE that some are selectively set free and others

are selectively held. Media attention should not bethe defining factor of what is just and what is not.I am dreadfully sorry that those murdered by CharlesWatson, Susan Atkins, Leslie Van Houten, etc, were

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murdered. My heart goes out to the families that have been made to live all these years without their loved

ones. But exactly what makes their heartache morethan the victims of others who have been murdered? Itis this I object to. The same scale of justice thatreleases murderers onto the same streets you and Ilive should be applied to all, or else keep them allin prison.

>>Did they ever consider that if they are Born Again,that there is plenty of work to be done right thereinside the prison? I mean, my God, these people allgot the death penalty! They got out of that sentence.What is wrong with these people?"<<

Yes, I most certainly have considered this. Not onlyfor the murderers you seem to cater to, but all

criminals who God calls while in prison.

I do take issue with your comment "They got out of that sentence." These individuals are not responsiblefor the changes that took place. The state of California is responsible. I assume there were otherseffected by the same change. You seem to have

purposely composed this grammatical structure in order to imply an inmate has the ability to get out of the

sentences rendered to them. This is unreasonable,unfactual, and illogical.

>>Come on -- you freedom seekers -- answer that one.Why do you insist they be set free to "minister" truthto the youth of our day? Our church congregations send

people to work inside prison who are not inmates. Thatis good. So how come you do not offer this point of view to the Manson killers? Not one of you freedomseekers have ever said you support the continued incarceration of Susan, Leslie or Tex. Why?<<

Again, I object to the fact that many other murderers

are released from prison. Some whose crimes are justas horrid as the ones you highlight on your web site.

What is it that you have against equal justice? Whyexactly are the victims of this crime seen as specialand others not? Why is justice slanted for those themedia deems worthy?

I do offer the point of view you have submitted. Itis also my understanding that those you are pointing afinger also have that same point of view. Where you

part ways, or so it seems, is at what point a prisoner

has paid his debt. If you are sincerely of theopinion those that receive a life sentence should stayin prison for life, I agree. But heckling these

particular inmates does not server your stated


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purpose. Why not make your opinions known to ParoleBoards that are releasing inmates that have the same

sentence? Instead, you are making a dollar off the backs of these victims. Selling email has got to bethe most bizarre thing I have seen in all my yearsonline.

Let this be known to you fully that I support thecontinued incarceration of ALL murderers, and notsimply a few whom the media has deemed newsworthy. Atthe same time I support the ministries God has placed any of those He has sanctified. It makes nodifference where their geographical location is.

>>Consider this point. God placed the great ApostlePaul in prison. He was there but he broke no law. Hewas there for simply preaching the Gospel of Jesus

Christ. At one point, Paul penned some touching words.

They were written during a time of loneliness, he wascold, all had forsaken him -- save Timothy. He asked that a person bring him his coat, winter was comingon. If God used Paul in jail to give us the witness of a redeeming God in the lives of a chosen people, howmuch more is it right for Susan, Leslie and Tex tostay in prison with the blood of at least nineinnocent victim's dripping from their collective

hands?<<

For a person that professes to have been a minister at

one point you seem to know very little about Rome'slaws. Paul was guilty of proclaiming Jesus as KINGand this made him guilty of treason. Treason wasagainst the law, and carried the death penalty for anyone guilty of this offense. By very definition,this made Paul a criminal in the eyes of the laws thatgoverned the land.

Paul was also guilty, in God's eyes, of killingfollowers of Jesus Christ. He put to death those that

proclaimed Jesus as Israel's Messiah. Paul did thisunder orders of the Sanhedrin, which is the equivalent

to our United States Supreme Court, of which he was agood standing attorney (Pharisees).

Yes, Paul penned several letters while being held prisoner. However, he was not suffering fromloneliness. At all times he was literally bound to aguard as this was the custom of that day. So to implyhe was lonely and had been forsaken is far from whathistory testimony is. Paul impacted the lives of the

guards assigned to him as much as Daniel impacted theroyal house in Babylon.

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ask that our governing authorities demand thefulfillment of the sentences merited by criminals.

But not mere to the ones you highlight. If these muststay in prison until their life ends, then ALL thosewith the same sentence should be required stay thelength of their sentence. It is disgusting to me thatsimply because the media has highlighted this casethat these convicts receive special attention.Whether they are believers or unbelievers makes nodifference at all. California is not the only statein the United States. Neither are these murderers theonly incarcerated murderers. Why does the state of California offer a parole hearing at all to those whohave merited a life sentence? If you truly want to

keep murderers in prison cease being so selective.Target the governing authorities who set the mandatesthat regulate the laws that govern parole hearings.

There are too many who have the blood of victims on

their hands, and they are walking the streets of America.

>>"Come let us reason together" says the Scriptures.Hey FREEDOM SEEKERS -- now what do you have to say?<<

As a Christian I say that you are as extreme as thoseyou jeer. In fact, it is extremely unreasonable to

toss your finger in so many unwarranted directions.It ruins your credibility to say the least. I was

particularly put off by your page dedicated to ranting

about the son of Charles Watson. That child cannothelp who his parents are any more than Woody Harrelsoncan help who his is. But I seriously doubt that thewomen that flock to Woody Harrelson go home to daddysaying, "I'm dating the son of a convicted murderer,who was also a suspect in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy." In fact, when I hear anything said in regards to Woody Harrelson, throughthe media, there is not one word said in this regard.Why is that, Bill? Do you suppose that even the

godless media has REASONED that the offspring is notresponsible for the crimes of the parent? I strongly

object to you lamblasting innocent children in thename of your crusade.

Sir, until you garner some reason in the statementsyou make it seems that you are only playing the gameof the pot calling the kettle black. You do not seemto take any shame in presenting to your audience your underhanded ways of gathering information.Misrepresenting yourself (Rusty) is called lying where

I come from. And a liar ruins their own credibility.

I believe firmly that Mason and the rest were given

the sentence they earned. If they all stay in prison


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until the day they die, good. However, this should not mean that I cannot support their walk with Christ

if indeed God is sanctifying them. Neither should itmean that I cannot give moral support their families,and count them as my dear friends.

What possesses you to believe their life sentenceconfines me, and my ability to reason what is just and right? What is wrong with demanding equal measure bemerited to all convicted criminals? Why do you saynothing of the murderers that are released and walkingthe streets with me, my children, and grand children?That is not justice, anyway you cut it. Manson's

bandwagon is 30 years old, and far from being unique

in day and age. There have been convictions,incarcerations, and paroles of many murderers during30 years. Why do you not hold the same standard to

these these? What, on God's green earth, makes Manson

so darn special? Or better yet, what did his victims possess that other murdered victims failed to measureup to? What makes their lives less worthy?

SarahWatauga, Texas

...that just struck me as the ultimate, them selling your stuff. "the most unfair person to the mansonfamily" sort of makes my holiday.

either tex book, just looking for the best deal you have. i will be gone for a while so i will not be able torespond til Monday.

also i have read your review of susan's book and find her amazingly deceitful. i guess i am wondering if i

should buy it through that atwa site or look elsewhere, or just scrap the whole idea of reading that book.

again thanks for your work and have a nice holiday. talk to you next week.

em

>>> "BILL NELSON" < [email protected]> 12/21/99 08:23PM >>>Hi Eric, well...I could write Sandy and her live-in lover? St. George -- but

why. I mean think about it, they are selling MY work. That has to be thedepths of distaste in their mouths. Making money off Bill Nelson, their nemesis. I think it is funny.

So, you want my last book on Tex or are you talking about the copied form?Sure, what did you have in mind?

Thanks, Bill Nelson


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----- Original Message -----From: ERIC M

To: < [email protected]>Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 8:18 AMSubject: Re: A FEW THINGS

here is what they are selling

krenwinkle 91 parole hearingvanhouten 91 parole hearingserial killer denied atkins 93 parole hearing 60 dollarsed sanders

sharon tate victim

any discount on the watson book for doing this research?

just kiddinghave a great holiday

>>> "BILL NELSON" < [email protected]> 12/20/99 09:01PM >>>Hi, sorry, I do not know about books in book form of my first one. I haveONE copy left.

What tapes are they selling at ATWA?

The Susan Atkins book, I am just now doing a new page on it for the web site

as I answer mail. Thanks!!! Bill----- Original Message -----From: ERIC MTo: < [email protected]>Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 12:16 PMSubject: A FEW THINGS

HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY

DID YOU KNOW THAT ON A LINK FROM ATWA, IT APPEARS THEY ARE SELLING YOUR TAPES FOR 25 DOLLARS.

ON THAT SAME SITE THEY SELL SUSAN ATKINS BOOK. IS IT WORTH THE MONEY TO BUYIT?

DO YOU KNOW OF ANY PLACES THAT SELL YOUR TEX WATSON BOOK IN THE BOOK FORM?

AGAIN HAVE A NICE HOLIDAY.

EM


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It's too bad all the Manson people haven't received the electric chair many

years ago, that's what they all deserved. I think it's outrageous that they

can get married and make babies in prison. Signed, a fourty one year old

mother with three kids.

I have to wonder how you would have made a living if these murders had not occurred? These people are sick . Ihad heard of your web site but did not believe it would be so tacky and tabloid-like as it is. Using this site and thedeaths of innocent victims and the sickness of the society of these killers for profit really shows the depths to whichhuman nature will sink. - J an 12/22/99

I cannot imagine anyone in this group getting a chance to go back out in the world. They

were convicted to life terms and that is exactly what they should see. Life in Prison.

John B...12/22/99

I read you comments about the links to Susan, Leslie, Bobby and Tex.

I agree that, a person who has escaped the death penalty and is now serving

a life term, should not have direct access to the Internet. But, apparently they

do and there is probably nothing your or I can ever do about it.

If that's a true statement, then the question becomes 'Sould the public be

allowed to read it?'. And, if the answer is 'Yes!', then we're down to simply

being able to find it. I, for one, have searched dilligently for Susan and Leslie

and have been unable to find a thing. I've seen the Manson site, administered

by Sandra Good and, Tex's ministry site is not difficult but, these other two have

proven impossible -- for me, at least.

My reasons for wanting to find this are not so that I can support their release.

I simply feel that, in order to be able to form my own opinions, I need to hear what

both sides of the issue are saying.

I honesty believe you when you say you intend for your site to 'be the bookmark

of truth on the case'. And, I think you're doing a remarkable job. However, on

one hand it almost seems like you're avoiding these sites because you're

afraid someone will read something that will cause them to change their minds

about the killers.

I don't think the 'conscience of society' is compromised by reading this information. It can only be compromised by


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what we do with it.

Keep up the good work. You're doing a magnificient job!

Don

This may be an odd request....I'm doing a paper on the manson murders and i

read on this web page that susan atkins and leslie van houten has a web pageout. But what it doesn't say is what the web address is. I would like toinclude that in my paper. If you wouldn't mind i would like to know what itis. I've searched the web for it but i can't seem to find it. I can onlyfind the pages for charles manson. If you could help me out it would begratly appreciated. Send e-mail to: (deleted) Thank you. Oh, alittle end note, I', like many others hope that none of the tate-labiancakillers get paroled. People like that should stay in jail.

Since you are a Manson buff, could you tell me if you know if theland where the Spahn's movie ranch used to be is still vacant? I'm

planning a trip to Ca. in July and I wanted to visit the site. Anyinfo. you have about it would be a great help.

Sue

READING ALMOST NON-STOP 12/16/99

I just yesterday learned about your website and I've been

reading almost non-stop. Without doubt, the most outstanding

site, I've seen, on the subject of the Manson murders.

There is a great deal of information, out there, on this subject

but, there are two items about which I have seen no information

and was wondering if you might be able to help.

I have seen several references to websites belonging to one or

two family members but have seen no references to the URLs

and I have no idea how to look at them.

I haven't seen any mention of whatever might have happened to

Linda Kasabian. If she's still alive, I would assume she's living

under some sort of witness protection program. Can you offer

anything at all, on this. It occurred to me that she may be

'Desert'.

Great site! Keep up the good work!


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Don

I agree that none of Mansons "Family" should ever be released!I don't think any of them are one bit remorsefull for what they did, and theonly reason they say that they are sorry is for one simple reason. Unlike

Charles, they don't want to spend eternity in prison, and in my opinion,that is the only reason that they are "so sorry"!!!I too, would like to join you in your plea to keep them behind bars!

Respectfully yours,Janel

, 12-1-99following an answer I gave her to an e-mail published below: 12-1-99I wasn't being sarcastic I just wanted clarification on who the site was for.I understand that you have done alot in the way of exposing Watson, Manson,etc al for the cowards that they are. Believe me, I understand that therewere other victims as well (and it must hurt the families of Frykowski[sp],

Parent, Sebring, and the La Biancas when reference is made only to Sharon).

The reason why that site, and other little known sites on Sharon (I'm still

searching for the ones on the rest of the victims) have only had not even50,000 hits in 2 years is because they're not well known. The sites on

Manson are more well known than the ones for Sharon. (To me, that's pathetic!)

To clarify something, I have spent more than my fair share of time onMansonmurders.com. I have printed up a book worth of stories from the siteand put them in with my (ever expanding) folder on the case. I was justagitated yesterday when I saw your picture all over the place. Like I said,I understand you've done many things in your life (hey, I'm only 23. What

the hell do I know?) but let's not lose focus on who the site is for. (Justfor the record, I'm currently reading, "Manson Behind the Scenes." Made memad that I had to special order it from Borders Books! Yet books making a

hero of Manson are right on the shelf!)

P.S. Why was Manson transferred back to Corcoran in February 98? I thoughthe was in Pelican Bay for dealing drugs?

Sincerely,

Donna, Manson was moved back to Corcoran because he was only on a 90 dayobservation, and for dealing drugs. - Bill

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Sorry to hear that you are getting harassing e-mail. I hope that you get this one, I put my name in thetitle, so that maybe you would remember me as a non-threatening person, and check out this letter.

Apparently it worked. I was just writing to tell you that ACCESS MANSON is updated, and the update pertains to a new book that is for sale. The book is written by Michael White, (isn't he a skinhead white-supremicist?) and it is called Crucified: The Railroading of Charles Manson. Sandra and George seem tolike it, as they call any other book written on the subject "BS"!!Just thought you would like to know this, if you don't already. Hope things clear up. This must be veryhard on your wife. I imagine that she must worry terribly about your safety when things flare up like this.She must be quite a woman. I feel for her during this, when I think of what it must be like to be in her shoes. Well, have the best possible day, free from harassment, and bother.K...

12-1-99

I admire the work you have done on behalf of not only the victims of the

Manson Family, but in a larger sense what you are doing for victims of all

crimes. You have a great site, and God bless you for continuing the fight.You're a person of conviction.

But, please, keep your attacks centered on criminals. Your editiorial, the"In These Times" piece, needlessly attacks and demonizes gay people. I amgay. I do not go to bathhouses. I do not spread diseases. I do not distortor twist facts. I will respectfully remind you, sir, that there areheterosexuals who hire prostitutes and who spread AIDS as well. And who give

and get abortions.

I don't like writing a letter like this, because I've learned a lot about the

Manson case from your site; you research everything, leaving no detailuntouched. I've wanted to write before to compliment you on your crusade,which no doubt has put you into harm's way many a time.

So, please don't blindside entire groups of people with editorials like that.Reading that was like a slap in the face to me. Research facts before youcondemn. I am a committed Christian: I suggest you read "Rescuing the BibleFrom Fundamentalism," by Bishop John Spong. There's a start. You may alsotry "Openly Gay, Openly Christian," by Rev. Samuel Kader. All of us arechildren of Christ, sir. I am not some abstract demon who merrily spreads

disease and moral degeneration. I have a name, a face, a family, a job, and I probably care more about victims of violent crime than some of the nuts who

visit your site.

Good luck in your fight.

Rob

12-1-99

I am looking for a copy of ALL EYES ON SHARON TATE. Do you offer thistape or can you get it?

Karyn


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Sorry, but I do not have that one. Anybody out there want to give her a helping hand on this one? Please

e-mail me so that I may get you together.

I found your website about six months ago and havefound it informative in some instances.

One thing I find disagreeable is your coverage of thechildren of Tex Watson, especially reporting on the

whereabouts of his eldest son. I don't think thechildren of the Watson's should be scrutinized as theyhave no control over their parent's business dealings.

I'm certainly not in favor of any of the Manson family being released, nor do I condone any illegalactivities on the part of ALMS if any are beingconducted. However, I would like to hear the rest of the story about how Kristin came to write "WhiteRabbit" in the first place. It sounds to me like theWatson's were set up by him.

Anyway, that's my two cents worth.

Thanks for listening,

Steve--No, the Watson's were not set up by White Rabbitt. He has beenwriting different family members and Kristin decided she could not resistthe urge to drone for $$$$$$$, even from a man incarcerated in Huntsville

prison. Bruce Davis wrote the WR too, but broke no laws.

The children: The son at ORU is the web host designer at the command of his

father. Everything Tex tells him to do, he does. That was proven by noneother than Kristin herself. Accordingly, he is fair game since he has

learned the fraud skills well and has never known any other way to make a buck. He has seen his mother rip off this ministry scam for his entire life.If ORU intends to make him a fund raising poster boy...that is news.

I hope that covers your concerns.

12-1-99

Just a quick note to say hello from New Hampshire. I'm a long time MansonMurders "Buff", intrigued ever since reading Mr. Bugliosi's book back incollege. I've been to the Tate and LaBianca sites, and did a half-ass


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viewing of Spahn Ranch (circa 1991) from Santa Susanna Pass Rd. (I never wentthrough the gate.)

Anyway, I read your Tex Watson Book and loved it. I was wondering if you had any copies of "Manson, Behind the Scenes" left? Please let me know if you do.

I'm kind of concerned the Ms. Van Houten may be released in thefuture.........it does seem quite possible. Let's keep our fingers crossed that she doesn't.

Again, I enjoy your web site. Drop a line if you get a chance.........

Received Sunday, November 28, 1999

I have been viewing your web site and it looks to me that it is more about

money than anything else. I believe it very sad that we as a society have to

be so vindictive. From all that I can see of your writings it looks that you

encourage and antagonize members of the LaBianca to participate in your cruel

endeavor to keep the memories alive so that they may suffer for many more

years rather living with good memories of their lost loved ones. Perhaps that

is why the direct descendent do not appear at these parole hearings that youappear to be attempting to goad them into with your web page. It is more

shameful that we claim to be a Christian society and go to church on Sunday

only to reappear as hypocrites we are supposed to be a forgiving society not

a society of vengeance. I am not saying that crime should not be punished but

at what point does punishment become vengeance the (c) in CIW means

correctional. So at what point does c take effect? I feel sadness for the

LaBianca and the Tate family's and wish that there were a way to bring their

loved ones back but that is impossible. I believe that after thirty years they need

to have peace and be left alone by people like you and this web site. What weneed in this society is more love and a hell of a lot less hatred. I know

that I am setting myself up for the accusation of a MANSON lover and the name

calling that I have seen in parts of your web pages, but let me say this. I do

not hate nor do I love any of the MANSON family members even tough I hate

what they did. It is also sad that MANSON is a mentally ill individual and

should stay where he belongs because he will probably never be (c) corrected. I do not

know enough about the others to comment on the correctives for them except

for Leslie. I believe she has been corrected and I believe that the state

of California should do their jobs without due influence from you, your

friends, or your web pages. It is time this thing dies, but I am sure that

you will not let it do so for it will cut off your money supply. Mr. Nelson, I

do not dislike you, I simply do not like what you are doing. We will see if

you have the guts to publish a different opinion other than your own, and


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without the name-calling. Thanks

My Response:

I sent a copy of this to a LaBianca family member to see if they desired to address the comments. I spentquite a bit of time cleaning up the letter, spelling errors, typo problems, missing words, etc. and it actually

gave the author a more educated presentation than was expressed to me.

It is rather obvious that the writer has not spent very much time viewing this web site because I often publish letters that attack me, oppose me or disagree with me and that is a departure from the murdererswho host web pages and never print a contrary word.

This writer is confused about forgiveness. The writer claims I keep the case alive with my web site. Whatabout the web sites of Susan Atkins, Leslie Van Houten, Tex Watson, Manson and Bobby? Does thewriter think their web sites bury the case?

I just read your page on Tex. I just have to tell you how impressed I am! You've really done your homework on this one! And, that picture of hisson walking .....Scary. We as honest hard working US citizens

owe you a debt of gratitude for all of the hard work you've done uncoveringthis unbelievable tax payer rip off, and another fleecing of America. Ittruly boggles the mind that this went virtually unnoticed for so long!!!!!Thanks Bill Always...Jenny

Bill,Thank you for an informative and conscientious website. Your criticism of the updated version of Vincent Bugliosi's "Helter Skelter" prompts me toinquire of you whether you have seen "The Ultimate Evil: The Truth About theCult Murders, Son of Sam and Beyond," by Maury Terry (Barnes and Noble

Books, updated 1999 edition, orig. pub 1987). In the course of the author's22-year investigation of the so-called "Son of Sam" murders, Terry uncovered and presents here interesting new information about Charles Manson and the

Manson murders. Specifically, his argument runs very much along the samelines as your criticism of Bugliosi's book, i.e., he argues that Manson knewAbigail Folger, etc. If you haven't seen this, it may be worth your whileto check it out, and possibly to promote it on your site as a source of newManson argument/theory/evidence.Best regards,James RosenFox News ChannelWashington correspondent

Response:

I wrote the correspondent and informed him that the part in Ultimate Evil that told about Manson meetingFolger was false. It was given to Terry by a former FBI Agent and my investigator at the time knew it to

be false. Judy told Terry. It was published anyway.


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I really do not disagree with Helter Skelter, the updated version. I felt it was time to put to rest the"Ramdom murder myth" as I call it. Vince told me after the publication came out that it would have

messed up the gallies to have done changes. I was quoted in the update and I did most of the ressearch for Mr. Bugliosi for his-- where are they now information.

Dear Mr. Nelson: 11-7-99

For those of us that did not spend time with Leslie Van Houten during the good old days at

Spahn or for those that have not been living the high life at CIW for the last three decades,

these are enlightening days indeed. This week's postponement, along with the spastic episode

last July, shed enormous amounts of light on Leslie Van Houten, circa 1999. Van Houten is

about as ready for release as the NRA is for vegetarianism.

From a tactical standpoint with quick release being the goal, these postponements are a major

miscalculation. The more times Van Houten invents scenarios to avoid the LaBianca clan, the

less prepared she appears for even remote consideration for release. To wit: why did Leslie

wait so long to enlist the help of an attorney (the last postponement was almost 120 days ago,

but the attorney agreed to represent her just 45 days ago) ? Why didn't the attorney, knowing

what a public relations fiasco another delay would cause for her client, simply read Helter

Skelter and/or The Family (or Manson: Behind the Scenes) attend the hearing as scheduled

and hope for a one year denial? Why does Leslie not want to sit in the same room with

Angela (who was most impressive when interviewed by Court TV) or her brother?

Speaking of Court TV, they were absolutely atrocious. They acted as if they stumbled upon

the scene. I'm surprised that they didn't ask for a postponement because they were so

unprepared. Someday the geniuses in New York will figure out that there is tremendousinterest in all things Manson, especially the parole consideration hearings, and will actually

give the hearings the coverage they deserve.

If Leslie Van Houten is ever released (God save us), she will encounter literally thousands of

Angela’s. People will want to know, and they will ask her every time she is in public about

the murders. An image of Tippi Hedren fighting off the sparrows in the movie The Birds

comes to mind. No, prison is the best place for here. Delays are harder to come by out here.

Sincerely,

Don A.

Hello :) I got my tape today...Thanks!! I laughed when I read your reference to your friend

from good OLE Texas!! What a hoot! :) :) I'm getting ready to write Van Houten’s attorney

and ask her what ROCK she’s been under for the last 30 years!!! Keep in touch!!!.... Always,

Jenny


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Dear Bill

I hope the LaBianca relatives will indeed keep coming to the parole

hearings. The murderess Van Houten can run, but she can't hide. If they stay

strong in their resolve to keep attending, she will eventually run out of excuses and she will be forced to face them. I hope MORE of them show up at

the next parole hearing.

What's with that parole board, by the way? Why do they keep pandering to her requests? The

second delay is defensible because lawyers make those requests all the time, and they are

frequently granted, but the first delay was outrageous. *** On an unrelated note... ______________________________________________________

Why is every time we hear something about them the "Manson" people are

getting special consideration? Bruce, Bobbie, Tex and Leslie. Are all the

other prisoners granted the same exceptions they are? Or is it a matter of

having to commit a high profile crime to be "special." When she walked out of

her last hearing it should have been the end. Now her lawyer has to be

brought up to date? Come on what planet does this lawyer live on?

If Leslie can't handle the pressure of having Bill Nelson at her hearing what

is she going to do when she is confronted by any citizen who may recognizeher, we both know it will eventually happen. She can't run back to her cell,

what is she going to do? Maybe just jump them and silence them the same as

she did Rosemary. Perhaps the prison board needs to look at her recent

behavior and take into consideration what danger they are putting normal

citizens in.

Let me know your take on this.

Your Arizona Friend

JW

BILL: WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE A CHRISTIAN NATION, BUT ONE WOULD NOT

KNOW IT TO LISTEN TO YOU. REVENGE IS NOT THE WAY. OUR PRISONS ARE

CALLED CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTIONS AND THAT SHOULD BE OUR GOALS NOT

REVENGE. I BELIEVE THAT LESLIE HAS BEEN AND SHOULD BE RELEASED. I DO

NOT BELONG TO ANY FRIENDS OF LESLIE NOR ANY OTHER KIND OF

ORGANIZATION. I HAVE NO OPINION ON ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE

SO-CALLED MANSON FAMILY EXCEPT MANSON HIMSELF. I DO NOT THINK


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THAT HE WILL EVER BE REHABILITATED AND SHOULD NEVER BE RELEASED.

THANK YOU

Well, of course I am disappointed that the parole hearing was postponed. Iwas looking forward to seeing her get denied! But what my question to you,

because I am assuming that you were there yesterday, is how long has it been postponed for? Is the prison board just going to keep allowing her to dothis, to postpone when she feels like it? And what does this postponementmean? Does this forfeit her right to parole for the thirteenth time,resulting in an automatic denial, or will she just go for her thirteenth

parole hearing at a later time to be determined? Considering her actions inJuly and now yesterday, I think that she has proven beyond a shadow of a

doubt that she is not ready for society and certainly has not "come to termswith what she did thirty years ago". If she was ready and she had come to

terms, she would have had no problems facing the board, you, the cameras, or Leno LaBianca's niece yesterday. All she has proven is that she ismanipulative, deceitful and uncaring.

I hope that the board postpones her parole hearing for another three years!Please give your me your answers to my questions, to the best of your knowledge, and give me your opinion about yesterday's events.

I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,

Jeanne H...

Dear Jeanne, and world wide audience:

I did not want to write about what happened yesterday at the prison until I had time to check all the facts

--unlike the credential press-- so I will not publish my story about the delayed parole hearing for Ms. VanHouten. I will say that it was very rude on the part of the murderer Van Houten, and the new attorney

crying about not being up to speed on a case that virtually every person in the world knows somethingabout. Give me a break, did she try reading Helter Skelter? The delay was with consultation between theinmate and new attorney. I interviewed a high ranking official with the BPT this morning and I shall bereceiving a fax on Monday. I have asked specific questions, documentation and clarification from thegoverning board that is something that the media types with Court TV did not know how do do!

The lack of understanding, preparation, research on the part of the crew of Court TV was a major embarrassment yesterday. Three different people from Court TV asked me at least ten times what my website was called. Then they stated, "We could not find it." to which I replied...That is funny, 2 million other

people found it.

More after my background research on Monday.


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11-3-99

My name is Kathleen ... and I am writing to you to ask what n I can

do as a citizen to prevent Leslie Van Houten or any other member of the Manson GANG from having one minute of freedom?

I was only a young child when the murder took place. But my childhood babysitter, (deleted) and her boyfriend, now husband, were friends and classmates of Steven Parent. I realize Van Houten was not there at the Tatemurders but I do know that through the years from ......., that the Parentfamily experienced deep loss and pain from the heinous acts of thosemonsters. Steven was a fine young man, and much loved my his family and friends.

I have watched Van Houten's father on "Larry King" and I am sick at his

rationale regarding his daughter's actions. Only a very sick person indeed could excuse his own child's evil actions so I must surmise that she learned

evil in her own home, and the involvement with the Manson GANG onlyincreased her violent, evil disregard for human life.

She belonged in the gas chamber 25 plus years ago. But because that law wasoverturned, she belongs with her own kind until she faces an eternity inhell.

Thank you for for work.

Sincerely,

Kathleen

11-03-99

Earlier in the semester, in my 42 page jury instruction to the students

enrolled in Political Science 4883A, The American Jury, at Newman Universityin Wichita, Kansas, I praised your website and allowed the students to refer to it. FYI, I cut and paste my exact writing to the students:

http://www.mansonmurders.com. Bill Nelson, manager of the "Manson murders"website, is author of Tex Watson The Man The Madness The Manipulation, and Manson Behind The Scenes. His website is the most comprehensive on the

Manson matter and may be the best available.

I presume that my students have been or will soon being accessing your

website for information.

My course has been praised for a number of years by educators and legal

professionals across the country. It is the only university taught juror-preparation course in America. The New York Times named it as one of


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the most innovative in the country. The course started partially in responseto criticism of the jury system in light of the O.J. Simpson criminal trial

verdict in 1995. The students first survey jury history, political theory,law (e.g., may a juror be terminated by their employer for missing work dueto jury service?), then review critical thinking skills, memory and

psychological heuristics, and small group deliberation skills. After that,using contemporary pattern jury instructions, we do moot-jury exercises based on famous controversies. Famous controversies have been used in this course

because student's eyes tend to dull-over when the traditional law school or social science scenarios are used. However, I have been delighted to seethat students are very actively engaged in the exercises that are based onfamous controversies. The local judges have been very cooperative and we areallowed to use a real courtroom and jury deliberation room for the major exercise. The deliberations are videotaped and graded, and the students

write a paper justifying their verdict. The students wear juror badges and are treated -- as much as possible within an academic exercise -- as jurors.I refer you to my recent Court TV - YAHOO! Online interview. <A

HREF="http://www.courttv.com/talk/chat_transcripts/jury.html">Court TV: Talk</

A> If that hyperlink did not take, the interview transcript is located athttp://www.courttv.com/talk/chat_transcripts/jury.html

I regret that last March, while defending the course, that both theUniversity and I were misperceived as defending Manson. We were defendingthe course, not Manson, but the news media did not report that very well.The mistaken impression in the public mind was unnecessary and was entirelydue to media sensationalism and mischaracterization of the facts. This is a

topic with which you are familiar (I refer to your appearances while tryingto tape the Leslie Van Houten hearing this year).

Tone of my message changes, due to Bayesian updating --As I began this e-mail message, I have only a few minutes ago on this dateFOR THE FIRST TIME read on your website your news item regarding this course.I am quite shocked, and I take issue with your characterization of myconversation with Mr. Kay as a debate, and as to the substance of our conversation. I WAS NOT INVITED TO DEBATE and was taken wholly by surprise

by Mr. Kay's remarks and tone.

In the week prior to my appearance on Court TV on March 12, 1999, I spoke bytelephone with Mr. Bugliosi. He was very courteous and helpful and did not

voice any objection in any way to this course. In the several weeks preceding my appearance on Court TV, I referred inquiring reporters to Mr.

Kay and Mr. Bugliosi. I felt a kinship with them, as in this moot-juryexercise I am Manson's prosecutor. I said that on the television program.Prior to my appearing and Mr. Kay appearing on the program, the journalistson that program reported also reported that in this moot-jury exercise I amto be Manson's prosecutor. I am quoted as saying that I am going to convictManson. This is prior to Mr. Kay's appearance. With all that, and becauseit was my understanding from the Court TV producer that Mr. Kay had been

provided with the course syllabus, I was expecting a very collegialconversation with Mr. Kay.

Initially, the Court TV staff invited me to be the only guest on the program,and I told the producer that surprised me. I had been recommending Mr. Kay

to all journalists because he is still with the prosecutor's office. At no


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time prior to hearing his remarks did I have any clue that Mr. Kay was upset,and at no time did Court TV staff indicate that this was to be a debate. I

was unfamiliar with their program and was quite astonished its tone. I feltunfairly ambushed on air. I'll acknowledge that reasonable minds may differ and the Court TV staff may have thought that I was familiar with the natureof that program. But I felt ambushed. I had the flu that day and only about90 minutes earlier told the Court TV producer that I was not inclined todepart my warm home and drive twenty miles through the snowstorm to do theinterview, but she was reassuring and I consented at the last minute. Sincethen (March 12) I have only consented to two interviews, one with Court TVonline, one with The New York Times. By my count, I have turned down over 100 interview requests.

Since you did not see the program, I'm willing to understand the

misunderstanding between you and Mr. Kay regarding the misquoted comment "Iread Helter Skelter and the case was very weak." That is not what was said.I have reviewed the videotape and that was not said. What is on the tape is

my reference to a quote in Mr. Bugliosi's book HELTER SKELTER, where the

author quotes NEWSWEEK magazine as saying that the case against Manson wasso weak that it could be dismissed. That is what in his book MR. BUGLIOSIreports that NEWSWEEK magazine said. I CITED Newsweek magazine on the air.That is unequivocal. If Mr. Bugliosi is in error, then blame him. (But Idoubt that the very thorough Mr. Bugliosi is in error. It is more likelythat Mr. Kay is in error.) Early this year, BEFORE my Court TV interviewwhile preparing for this course, I contacted NEWSWEEK to try to obtain themagazine which Mr. Bugliosi quotes. They advised me to check libraries, as

they do not offer old magazines either online or in print or reprint. I havenot yet found that magazine. The claim on your website that I said "I read Helter Skelter and the case was very weak" is defamatory and false and I

demand that you retract this.

As for your headline "College Professor Not The Brightest" --that made my jawdrop like Dominick Dunne at the O.J. acquittal. It was Mr. Kay who employed tactics that first year college freshman learn not to make (emotionalappeals, ad homonym attacks, etc.). I contemporaneously pointed this out onthe program. I immediately decided to use Mr. Kay's remarks on that

broadcast clip to teach students what NOT to do, and that is scheduled in mysyllabus for later this semester.

As for my being a "baboon," I am currently president of my local chapter of MENSA, the High IQ Society, and was invited to join Mensa when I was a child.

(I am now a grandfather.) I qualify for membership in the InternationalSociety of Philosophical Inquiry (the Mensa of Mensa), and as an attorneyhave been special counsel to a chairman of Mensa.

Prior to entering the field of law I earned several degrees and certificates,including a degree with a major in Natural Sciences and Mathematics. At thistime I have an application and I am considering applying to a Ph.D program instatistics, where I contemplate a dissertation on jurimetrics (applyingmathematics to legal questions). I had an earlier career before law school,

including working as a machinist, a mall maintenance lead-man, and firefighter-medic (among other things I have pulled a pilot from a crashed aircraft, pulled a driver from a burning automobile, and received a

commendation for successfully resuscitating a drowned child).


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Also, I worked on the space program and on Air Force One. While working for

Boeing I wrote a classified memorandum regarding the fire protection of thePresident while on Air Force One. It is my understanding that my protocolsare still followed.

In the published proceedings of The Case For Mars conferences -- cosponsored by NASA, the aerospace industry, and universities -- I wrote the first published paper describing one-rescuer CPR in space, and the first published paper to describing variable gravity fire protection on spacecraft and spacestations. After I became an attorney I wrote another paper in that series,which is online. I provide a hyperlink to that paper <AHREF="http://spot.colorado.edu/~marscase/cfm/posters/beattie.html">CFM VIPaper - Robert Beattie</A> If that did not take it is located at

http://spot.colorado.edu/~marscase/cfm/posters/beattie.html . That paper discusses antitrust law and other law with regard to the space program. In1990 I received an appreciation award from the National Space Society, and at

a 1987 space conference, Apollo 11 astronaut Michael Collins shook my hand,

told me that he had read my paper on medical-surgical emergencies inspacecraft, and that he appreciated my work.

I've practiced antitrust law in the federal courts. I have practiced law instate and federal courts at the highest levels, and had one case that went tothe US Supreme Court, where certiorari was denied. I was the first attorneyto be listed in the Wichita Yellow Pages as practicing "computer law," thoughI am no longer listed under that heading.

I am a sole practitioner attorney and adjunct faculty at two universities.My legal practice is mostly quiet and routine, but sometimes gets active in

pro bono civil rights matters, and sometimes I'm active as occasional pro bono attorney for Inter-Faith Ministries of Wichita.

Because of my broad and diverse background and education I am often asked tospeak on a variety of topics at many locations in my region, and around thecountry. For example, next week I am scheduled to speak to the Kansas Peaceand Justice Center on the history and politics of Armistice Day. Last week Iwas asked if I could make a presentation on the law of international war crimes to a forthcoming Midwest conference on Social Justice. This morning Ireceived an inquiry wondering if I could lecture to an east coast university

on the Kennedy assassination, which was another exercise my students did inthis course. (The students found Oswald civilly liable for the wrongful

death of President John F. Kennedy. I "won" that case as plaintiff'sattorney.)

As for the last portion of your web segment regarding my course, Iacknowledge that I may be naive about some things, but not for the reasonstated in your website. I ask you to correct the false statements and misimpression's that are left by your website.

And I advise you that I may have to call you as a witness if I decide to sue

Mr. Kay for calling me a baboon. Truth is a complete defense to defamation, but I don't think that his statement can be supported as truthful.

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that my students will find it useful. I apologize for the length of thisletter. I began by intending to merely advise you that my students would be

looking at your website, but was shocked and offended by your publishing anerroneous report by Mr. Kay and decided that it could not go unaddressed. Isuspect that we share a bewildered feeling, Mr. Nelson. You were criticized

by journalists reporting on the Leslie Van Houten hearings, because you werereporting on the Leslie Van Houten hearings. I was criticized for using theManson case as a teaching tool to help better prepare citizens to be jurors,

by people who call for education to help better prepare citizens to be jurors. It has felt like something out of Kafka.

Feel free to share this message with interested parties. If you have Mr.Kay's e-mail address, feel free to forward it to him.

Very Truly Yours,

Robert M. Beattie Jr., Esq.

I responded immediately to the attorney and told him I would adjust my news alert

regarding the story. He was kind in his response and I appreciated his message. I will

do the adjustments after the parole hearing for Van Houten. I was going to edit his

message but after much thought, I believe he has the right to be listened to in his fullest

statement.

10/31/99

I have a lot of respect for your mission and must thank you for tryingto see that justice is done.I am a non-violent person and I dislike most true crime books, but I wasintrigued by the Manson case after reading "Helter Skelter" and then"The Family" -- perhaps because I was in my mother's womb when themurders were committed, and perhaps because these murders seem torepresent some sort of end to the counterculture.I sympathize with the victims and their families for still having toendure the aftermath of such a tragedy. But I do tend to believe Leslie

Van Houten should be released someday, and I thought I'd explain why.

First of all, I don't think the fact she escaped the death penalty

should be an issue, particularly because I believe it is an abhorrent, barbaric practice. I have always found the death penalty to behypocritical, in essence: the state decrees that the killers must also

be killed and we call this mode of revenge justice. Innocent people --at least eighty -- have been sentenced to death by the state, but weforgive these abhorrent crimes because they are committed by the state.The state should not have the right to kill.

Second of all -- and maybe you can help me clear this up -- did Leslie

Van Houten actually kill the LaBianca's, or were the stab wounds sheinflicted post-mortem? Does this matter, anyway? Perhaps not.Whatever she did, she certainly did nothing to help the LaBianca's as

they died under cruel eyes. Perhaps you can answer my question: Wasn't


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her participation less than that of the others? If she were ever moreremorseful and willing to meet with the LaBianca family, would thirty

years be enough? Do you feel she is a danger to the public?

To be honest, I felt Leslie Van Houten was ready when I saw her 1992 (or '93) parole hearing on Court TV and she I was dumbstruck by her remorse-- and by her comments that living with the murders was more difficultwith each day.But would I feel this way if she had killed my parents? I honestlydon't know, but I would certainly try and meet with the killers. And if they were genuinely remorseful I would try to learn to forgive.

But this site has changed my opinion of Leslie somewhat.Why hasn't she met with the LaBianca family? That angers me -- she

should have the decency to do that. And how flimsy to turn the tablesaround so that you, Bill Nelson, were on the defensive at "her" parolehearing! She's the one "on trial." Bad move, Leslie.

Ultimately, I do feel that thirty years is enough time for what she did, but I am disturbed by her lack of cooperation. I appreciate your attempts to shed light on the truth about Leslie.

My letter wouldn't really belong on the positive or negative side. Ihave mixed feelings.Thanks for this thorough, comprehensive site. I would also like to buya copy of your book, if there are any left for sale.

Sincerely,Hank

Since discovering your website I have done a lot of thinking about Leslie and the others.

In my mind I actually think out of the three women she is probably the most cold- blooded of them all.

I could go on for hours about why, but the fact that she knew about themurders the night before and went willingly to the La Bianca’s makes her the most unsuitable of them all for parole!

By her own admission her attraction to Manson wasn’t as "deep" or as emotionalas the others, she certainly hadn’t been there with the family as long, sohow "Brain-washed" was she?

She didn’t have the background turmoil like the others and even then "spoke her mind"

Didn’t she actually volunteer to go that night? Is it a fact or Steven Kay’s fiction that she was disappointed at not being "invited " the first night?


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After watching many parole hearings (obtained form you) my opinion of them is that they are all a big joke. But if there is any chance whatsoever

of Leslie getting a date I hope the DA’s office sends a more articulatespokesperson than Steven Kay and that the La Bianca family is represented bysomeone from their immediate family. Of course your presence will be vital as evidenced

by the last failed hearing.

Of course, unless the Board of Prison Terms panel is planning to retiresoon, I doubt any of the Manson family will get parole dates.

Best to you, Eve

Please consider the following for your letters section: from Don Abbott

These are busy days for Leslie Van Houten. It wasn't easy, but one of Rosemary LaBianca's pitilessexecutioner has, in the last thirty-five years: turned a homecoming princess tiara into a forehead swatika,traded in a bloody bayonet for prison knitting needles, and supposedly reformed a venomous anti-socialattitude into an annual plea for the keys out. But another parole consideration hearing looms, and theknitting will have to wait- it's time to get really busy.

More so than any of her other murderous brethren from the Spahn Ranch gang, Leslie can somehow dothe hardest thing an inmate ever tries to do: she can hear the clock ticking . Inside CIW, the clock standsstill. It's always August 1969. Outside, Leslie Van Houten's potential middle-aged secretarial career isslipping away. Her attorney lined up, her eating disorder temporarily disguised, her "anti-Nelsonism"

choked back, Leslie knows that a large chunk of her life is gone, and not as much remains.

But should Leslie Van Houten ever be released? The best argument is simple, and does not delve into thesubjectives of remorse, rehabilitation, or possible future Healter Skelter. Leslie (along with the entireFamily) bought into the "we don't need or like society" mantra that was at the the heart of Manson's

message. They bought it- hook, line, and sinker. And to punctuate how emphatic they felt, they killed witha savagery that would make animals in the wild shutter. So, they don't want to be in society, keep themout of society. FOREVER. Because there are no do-overs when it comes to murder.

Leslie Van Houten will go before the Board on November 4 and present a quasi-sentimental front. Shewill articulate, reason, be eager, responsive. No long diatribes (Manson), no phony evangelism (Tex), no

cat-and-mouse pathology (Susan)- just Leslie. Instead of sending the message to society that one one ever serves life in prison, the Board should keep her where she is and tell her that they understand how stronglyshe believed in what she did.

October 22,1999

Congratulations on your new site set-up. I wondered if Leslie's parolehearing is coming up? I thought it was set for Nov. 4th? Is Leslie's

lawyer giving you static? Is attending the parole hearing really open tothe public through the media? I imagine it is, considering Court TV's crew will surely bethere. It's just that you haven't really mentioned anything on your site.


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I showed all the letters I wrote and many printouts from your website tomy "mentor" of the social program I am enrolled in. I wanted to check out

with him if everything is proper and correct. I showed him your commercial pages and your biography page. I also showed him printouts of the ATWA site. My girlfriend, a college professor, was very concerned that even visiting your site makes me some kind of lunatic or something.

The thing is: I was living during that era, trying to emanate the "hippielifestyle." So the whole case is very interesting to me. I think thecase is a definite part of "Americana." Who could ever forget Manson and his group of "killer, love hippies." Thank you for printing some of mye-mail. I hope you don't think I'm a lunatic for being so interested.It's just that I used to live in Venice Beach during the very earlyseventies (on the street) and in Haight Ashbury during the very late

sixties and very early seventies (on the streets). So the whole casestrikes very close to home for me.

I'm still attending college, trying to get over a disappointing past.

Thank you very much for your work,

Eric Granskou

I've now thoroughly digested your book, "Manson Behind The Scenes",and it's a very engrossing read. As I expected, it's made me think

about the case in a new light and I've formed a few theories/questionsabout it I'd like to share with people reading your website, if I may.

1. I agree with your contention that Susan Atkins did not stab Sharon

Tate. Or at least she did not strike the first three (fatal) death blows to the heart. I was reading all the accounts of the killingsfrom various sources, and suddenly it came to me - Susan didn't have aknife by that point. So if she stabbed Sharon, she would have to havehad a knife handed to her by either Tex or Pat in order for her to doit, and nowhere is this mentioned. I believe she claimed to have

stabbed Sharon initially because she knew it would make her appear more evil and witchy in the eyes of Ronnie Howard and Virginia Graham- the open-mouthed audience to her first confession, don't forget.

Certainly I feel Ed Sanders was wrong when he wrote in "The Family","Then they all stabbed her" - an impossible act, considering that

between them the killers only had two knives by this time.

2. Susan's 1969 grand jury testimony seems awfully flawed. She missesseveral documented moments, like the first visit to the bedrooms whenshe waved at Abigail Folger; the occasion when she ran out of the

house and met Linda Kasabian on the path, and the way she arranges thefinal few minutes of testimony it seems impossible that Pat Krenwinkelcould have scouted the guest house or even chased Abigail out throughthe back bedroom door - both actions Pat has herself admitted tocarrying out! It 's as if Susan is juggling what happened in her mind


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as she's relating it, so that Sharon's murder is the final killing inthe long series of events. But she even gets that wrong, as by her

account Abigail is still alive and running on the lawn after Sharonhas been stabbed to death. I guess it's pretty unreliable as arecounted sequence of events.

3. The photos in the back of the book were very revealing. In particular the morgue photos of Abigail Folger. She appears to haveeight (or ten - it's not a very clear pic) stab wounds in a close

pattern on her back which I find very mysterious. They're very similar in placement to the stab wounds in Sharon Tate's back. Which could imply that Tex made these wounds - "The Family" says, Tex apparentlywent around in a circuit last thing and stabbed all the bodies, "chopchop chop," as Sanders puts it. But as even someone who's only read

"Helter Skelter" will know, Abigail was wounded only defensively untilshe ran outside and fell on the lawn - on her back. There she waskilled. So how did she get those stab wounds on her back? Was she

turned over at some point after death? If Tex turned her over to stab

her, why did he put her back the way she was afterwards? It doesn'tmake sense.

4. Re: the "Manson visited in the early hours with someone and moved the bodies" rumor. I believe Manson did go to the house, but I'm notso sure he would have attempted to hang Sharon and Jay on the porch.It just seems too bizarre for words.

5. The towel over Sebring's head. Looking at the photo in "Helter Skelter", it is *UTTERLY IMPOSSIBLE* for anyone to believe the towel's

placement underneath a double looped rope is the result of Susan

"tossing it behind her as she left the house". However, maybe theanswer to this mystery lies within "Helter Skelter itself. The book describes a moment where William Tennant tries to identify Sebring,

but "When the police lifted the bloody towel, the face underneath wasso badly contused, he couldn't be sure". The next paragraph describesthe police photographer's work. Could the photos have been taken*AFTER* the police lifted the towel for the first time? In which caseit's feasible that one of the police officers, fearing that the towelmight be discarded when the body was to be removed later, tucked thetowel ends under the rope himself?

6. I'm still unsure as to when Voytek Frykowski was shot. Is there any

unprinted testimony which reveals this? In "The Family" it's writteninto the text but that passage seems ridiculously implausible - howlong would it have taken Voytek to struggle to the front door? Notlong I'd guess, certainly not long enough for Tex to shoot him twiceand then break the gun butt on his head, before dealing all bar 5 of 51 stab wounds. The picture I get when imagining this is of Voytek taking ten minutes to walk very slowly to the door - a mere 7 or 8feet - while Susan and Tex try in vain to stop him. As I said,ridiculous.

In summing up I'd say there's still a lot of pieces missing from thistragic puzzle. But many thanks to Bill Nelson, for letting his readers

into as much information as he has access to. Cheers, Bill.


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Adam from England

Thanks a lot for the very interesting reports that you sent me re: Atkins. I am looking forward to purchasing future items from you soon, and I appreciate your prompt reply on my emails. I am lookingforward to the Atkins summary that will be e-mailed soon. Thanks again for all the materials you've sent

me and heres to more future business ventures. Robyn and Russ

Mr. Nelson,

James - - - - - - - here. Glad you finally got the credit card processing

online. I have an order attached. If you got an after hours fax call thisevening - that was me. I apologize. Please don't start a mailing list for sale to others....

As always, Best to you and your efforts. Attached is my order (copy of the fax I attempted to send).

James

Thank you so much for the tapes. I am so glad I ordered them. I havewatched the Watson parole hearing and the Medi-Cal search tape. I have lots

of questions. I know you're busy, but please try to answer them all. :)I loved the Watson parole tape. It was so professionally done. Your edits

were perfect. I liked the musical score. Something struck me - the vastcontrast of Doris Tate and Suzan LaBerge in the same shot together. I have to

disagree with Stephen Kay. I don't think Watson is the same person he was in1969. God has changed his life. I wouldn't mind him living next door to me.As a matter of fact, I wouldn't have a problem renting a room in his house.But, I do not think he should ever get out. He inflicted 90 percent of 159stab wounds. He brutally murdered seven innocent people. I will support

parole for Charles Watson the day Sharon Tate, her unborn baby, and the

others get parole from their graves!!!! Charles was NOT happy about your presence. He made several comments about the cameras being there.I have to know, that shot of the prison in the opening shot of the parole

hearing (with the bars) - is that Mule Creek State Prison where Charleslives now? I am just dying of curiosity as to what his living quarters look


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I'm still tired from the trip, 60 people from all over the country, but we pulled it off and a good time washad by all !!!

Talk to ya soon, Eve

September 27, 1969 Lake Berryessa, Bryan Hartnell was shot several times and his female friend Cecelia Ann Shepard was murdered. Zodiac took credit for

the shooting. The subject has never been apprehended."*********************************

Neither Hartnell or Shepard were shot, you doof.You should visit -- -- -- --.com for their update on the Berryessa murder.They did it right.

Thank you for making the subject: . That is what it was, I know they

were stabbed, not shot, so I will correct it. There is no need to call people names if you really see it as a mistake. So don't demean yourself. Ihave interviewed Mr. H. several times. Stabbed. All it means is that I amhuman. My, what a high standard you hold for other people. How are youmeasuring up to your own standards?

As far as the site you name, I have no need or desire to visit thesite conducted by a pervert stalker.

----- Original Message -----From: Hugh Grection

To: < [email protected]>Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 3:30 PM

Subject:

and materials yesterday I requested. I was going to watch

them this weekend but couldn't wait and stayed up a little too late last night

watching a portion of each of Watson and Atkins parole hearings.

In all the years I worked in the criminal justice system, I never did sit inon a parole hearing. So that was very interesting. In regards to their hearings, they seem to ramble on and on about the "reasons" for everything in

their lives. I kept waiting for either of them to fall on their faces at the

feet of Doris Tate or Patti Tate, in gut wrenching tears and heartfelt agony, asking their

forgiveness for their butchery of Ms. Tate and her friends, but it hasn't come yet. I stillhave more to watch. But I won't hold my breath.

One e-mail you received discussed the hounding each would receive if they werereleased into free society and I couldn't agree more. If I saw one of them inthe grocery store, do you think I'd pass up the opportunity to talk and


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question them? If we could only enter their minds for a brief moment and knowtheir thoughts. Guess it's a good thing only God can do that.

I see Susan Atkins has her picture back up at

http://www.freedomlink.org/dovenest.html.

Take care,

Julie

Subj:

Date: 9/26/99 7:40:13 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: AndieTo: M69MURDERS

Before her last hearing I recall that you offered some information about the enquirer having slips onecould send in, and about various people that could be written to in order to express opposition to her

release. Is any such thing going on now? Is there a way that I, and other people who do not want her released can express our opinions?I'd appreciate any info you have.Thanks!Andie

Subj: Re: Van Houten parole hearingDate: 9/27/99 1:38:15 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: M69MURDERSTo: Andie

Just send a letter to the prison, address is on my web site, or to the Governor, or to the Board of PrisonTerms.

Subj:

Date: 9/26/99 9:42:34 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: KerryTo: M69MURDERS

Hello Bill,

I surely appreciate all the hard work you put into the films (videos) you sent me that I had ordered. Theywere views of the former Tate house, clips of Patti Tate, interview with Doris Tate, police reports (wow,some of those interviews I did not know about and the hate Suzanne L. had for her family), the psychoSuzanne La Berge and of Tex Watsons' BS about being a Christian, your book, parole hearings of Tex,Sadie, and Katie. All were extremely interesting. After viewing the parole hearings, I still can understand why they are still in jail (besides my own logic and personal view that they should remain in jail because

of their crimes and hatred). They are still stupid and uncaring.

I just got back from a trip to Lompoc CA and was dearly hoping I would get the chance to visit the graves

of Sharon, baby Paul, and Doris Tate and Abigail Folger to pray for them and pay my respects that were in

nearby cities. Unfortunately, the itinerary I was given did not allow this time away.

I have always wondered about Abigail Folger's family. Just a mention that her parents were Peter and InezFolger and that they were divorced. Have they ever had an interest to attend Pat Krenwinkel's or TexWatson's parole hearings to give their say? Also, was she an only child? All I have ever found on the


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Internet was that James A. Folger was the start of the Folger Coffee empire and saw his former home,grave, and he died way before Abigail was even born in 1943. Are her parents still alive and if she had

siblings, where are they?

Keep up the great work and thanks so much again for all your hard work.

Thank you,Kerry

Subj:

Date: 9/24/99 8:47:30 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Don.To: [email protected]

Dear Mr. Nelson:

Bravo for hanging in there while the website went through its recent

technical glitches. As a frequent visitor, it's amazing how much I missed being updated on what arguably is the most interesting criminal saga in

American history. I hope you live to be 150 years old so that theunvarnished truth about Manson and his idiots always leads the way.

The year 2000 should be an interesting one in terms of new developments withthe case. Not only is Greg King's book due out, but the new Californialaw allowing interviews with all categories of inmates could shed some lighton the likes of Tex, Sadie, Katie, and, of course, Charlie. Any newsorganization that underestimates the marketability of all things Manson ismaking a bad judgment call- no matter what year it is.

A prediction: with the new law, all family members are going to be brushing up on their best "I'm rehabilitated, I really am !" spiel. Of

course, they're not, but using religion, crocodile remorse, and in LeslieVan Houten's case, a generally palatable demeanor, to try to undo the

blood-soaked initiation rituals that just happen to cost perfect strangerstheir lives. Instead of hiring attorneys for parole hearings, the murderersmight be saving their money for media consultants.

In my opinion, rehabilitated or not (how much more subjective a topic isthere), ALL of the family should leave prision horizonally. Why? Becauseif released, they have no idea how much attention their being free insociety will draw. People will endlessly hound them, ask them questions,condemn them, and insist on talking about the murders. They will not blend in. They have no place in society. Prison is the best place for them- for

all concerned. What they did was just a little TOO witchy.

Great to have you back,

Don A.

Proof Of Abuse By ALMS

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Date: 9/21/99 2:58:30 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: JoeArmy99

To: M69MURDERS

Hello Bill...I`ve always enjoyed your site.It is a wealth of information.But...To call this letter "The cake.."is really reaching.While Tex is a manipulator and a con man and I`m sure his ministry is a fraud to gainfavorable light,except for the fact that this letter was written on stationary of a non profit organizationthere really is`nt a whole lot wrong with it legally.If they were to solicit funds for their church and thenuse them for personal use that would be an abuse.This letter obviously is asking for help on a completely

personal level with no intent to deceive as to its purpose.To play devils advocate:Her request that he keepit to himself can be either that she did`nt want her husband or supporters to know she was asking peoplefor money or that she was afraid of adverse publicity that may negatively affect her church or husbands

parole ...Again I concur that they are most likely frauds but looking at this document from a purely legalground theres not that much to it Thanks again for the great site.

My Response:

Subj: Re: Proof of abuse

Date: 9/21/99 3:17:53 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: M69MURDERSTo: JoeArmy99

JoeArmy: If you are an attorney then I shall step aside. If not, then I shall take the legal position that tosolicit funds on the stationary of a 501C3 Non Profit is an abuse of the charter of the organization and itdoes violate the IRS rule of law. Sorry, there is just no excuse for this blatant abuse. - Bill

Subj:

Date: 9/21/99 12:41:51 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: KateTo: [email protected]

Dear Bill,Just found the updated site. Since when are you allowed(Kristin

Watson) to use a non-profit organization to beg for college money for your son? Let him work his way through school.....my mother supplemented her scholarship to Murray State University by working inthe school cafeteria, my father worked and attended the University of

Louisville on the GI Bill after he got out of the Navy, I worked and went to school......what's the matter, is that not good enough for thesone of a convicted murderer? Concieved during a conjugal visit, bornwith fraudulent funds from MediCal? That just burns my arse, up oneside and down the other. ESPECIALLY since I am now a California statetaxpayer. They should take her and Tex and throw them UNDER the jail!It just burns me that not only were they allowed conjugal visits, whenRoman Polanski and Sharon Tate will never share that special bond

between man and wife again, they concieved and bore four children, whenSharon and Roman didn't even get to see their only son, the births of three of the four were paid for by the taxpayers, and now she wants


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money to send the oldest to college? You can certainly quote me on allthis, too. It burns me as a taxpayer, a parent, a moral, law-abiding

citizen, and as a human being.By the way, I will be sending a letter to Mr. Bugliosi as soon as myfive-year-old gives me a chance to sit down and get into a snail-mailwriting frame of mind (at least I don't have to find stationary and astamp with e-mail!). She does tend to keep me fairly busy...don't mostfive-year-olds, though? Thought I'd let you know, and thank you onceagain.Sincerely,Kate

Subj:

Date: 9/19/99 2:27:22 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Robyn R...To: [email protected]

when can we purchase items off your page via credit card

My Response:

Now that my site is re-established after all this horrible delay, you may do so immediately. I await your welcome orders.

Subj:

Date: 9/19/99 10:53:46 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: StephanieTo: [email protected]

Hello Bill, and thank you once again for all of the work that you putinto your website and for keeping us all informed! I have had sometrouble with the site recently, and right now the only page I can get isthe update page from July. Hopefully things will get fixed soon?

The point of my letter (and I have written before): I read letters from

people that feel that the Manson killers should be shown compassion and should be allowed parole. This is especially true from the "fans" of the women involved, and Tex Watson. I've been to the ALMS website and read many letters there, about how now that Tex has found God he should

be released, because he has repented his sins, and God has "forgiven"him. Well, for all of those people out there that think this way:

I have recently had the oppourtunity to view the crime scene and morgue photos from both the Tate and LaBianca homes, and after viewing theincredibly horrible destruction of human life I can, in no way, advocate

release of any of these people!! There are no words to describe thescope of the horror that went on 30 years ago on those fateful nights.I had always read that Katie carved War in Leno LaBianca's stomach, but

I had no realization that the 3 simple letters that she carved thereCOVERED HIS WHOLE STOMACH!! This was not something that took a little


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bit of time as an afterthought, this was something that was deliberatelydone and with great force!

I'm sorry, but words are just not enough to describe the butchery thattook place at the hands of Tex, Sadie, Pat, and Leslie. Please, Mr.

Nelson, keep up your good work here to show the truth. This was not a"glamorous" crime, but one of hate and non-humanity. The Lord forgivesall that seek forgiveness, but these pictures speak a thousand words.

Stephanie

Subj:

Date: 9/19/99 12:03:28 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Kate

To: [email protected]

Dear Bill,Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Incidentally, I justfinished Helter Skelter, and I had forgotten that Charlie came fromKentucky. That'll make a Kentuckian cringe, along with the vampire cultmurders, the kid in Paducah (not far from where I grew up) who shot hisclassmates, and the fact the Squeaky spent time in Lexington.Everything in Kentucky is accessible from one end of the state to theother. The longest it takes to get from far Western to far EasternKentucky is about 6 to 8 hours. At least it takes much longer to getfrom one end of California to another, eh?

Incidentally, I forgot.....where is Charlie now? The last I heard,

he wasn't in Corcoran any more.I will certainly mail a letter to Mr. Bugliosi via you. Thank you

again.Sincerely,Kate

Subj:

Date: 9/18/99 7:11:34 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: EVE

To: M69MURDERS

I hope your site is back up......I miss it.so, tell me is there some document or anything that youve always wanted but cant get? just curious..........take care, Eve

Subj:

Date: 9/15/99 4:53:52 PM Pacific Daylight Time

From: K...To: [email protected] ([email protected])

Hello there Bill!! I still cannot get into the web site. What happened?


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where we were having breakfast. Being the age I was, I did not fully understand theimpact that these murders had (especially on the families), nor did my Mother

allow me to read about the murders in the newspapers. She was probably afraid I would have nightmares.

When I was in high school, I was loaned a copy of Helter Skelter and I read it. Wow, I could not believethat people could be so brutal to other people (especiallyones they did not know).

Well, it kind of stayed in the back of my mind until I saw you on the Court channelfollowing the Leslie Van Houten (almost!) parole hearing. You peaked my interestonce again about this tragedy. A few weeks ago, A&E ran a biography onSharon Tate and I watched that. This program told about the person behind thetragic short life.

I located a copy of "The Family" and read that. I also bought "Manson, Behind the Scenes" from this web site. Then I reread Helter Skelter. Not long ago, I

ordered your manuscript on Tex Watson. I am anxious to read that. I can't believe

for a minute that he did not know she was pregnant.

It is just unreal to think that animals like this really walk among us.

By reading your book and accessing your web site, I have gained much knowlegeand understanding into this tragic part of our history.

Thank you,

Pam McGinnis ( :

Hello Mr Bill Nelson. From Scotland once again --

I am Curt, the guy who wrote the 'Special letter from Scotland. I was really impressed when you decided to upload it, it mademe feel that my opinion counted. I noticed a fan of Marlin Manson gave my a rather bitter reply, well I was not really aiming mydistaste at the flash-in-the-pan rock star guy, more at Chuck Manson himself and his unwitting fans. If you thought my answer tothis guy was a bit offensive, I heartily apologise for it. I feel strongly about the music/news/media and it's twisting effect on

people's opinions and minds. I feel this site you run a great thing, truth is a rare commodity in this age and anyone (you Bill) whohas the guts to try and reveal the truth despite dark threats, hordes of goth geeks and weird ATWA followers has got my vote of respect. There are many unturned pages in this Manson tragedy, and new problems being caused by it, I hope you continue your work of promoting free speech versus unthinking sect mindedness. And to the Manson lovers I repeat my first letter's message,

from what I have read and seen Mr 'I am the dhia llama' Charles Manson does not care about you, neither does ATWA, they onlywant CM out of the slammer (or his rights) they have private and shady agenda, you Marlin and wannabe family member don'tcome into it. So why are you kid even bothering? YOU CAN make your life cool and worthwhile by being yourself, so stuff jesuswannabes and all that junk, manufactured religion and following others is a horrible prison to be caught in, break out of this! Our music of Rock and heavy metal does not need these ATWA-type black-clad Marlyn teenage dudes being involved, you guys areembarrassing yourselves, me and probably your boss, Charles Manson too. Marlin Manson wants your money the other Manson

just wants to be ghandi, so leave him to it!

Thank you Mr Bill Nelson,

this letter will probably generate a lot of mail to you and me, but I am a level & open-minded correspondent will give respect toany misguided Manson dude who mails me.

Subj:

Date: 8/30/99 8:46:13 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Eric G.To: [email protected]


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Dear Bill,

Hello and happy birthday. I hope you and yours are doing well.

Tex Watson, the man who arbitrarily murdered "the beautiful people", SharonTate, Abigail Folger, the LaBiancas, Vortek, and Jay in a particularly

brutal manner. This man who snuck into peaceful peoples houses and murdered them for no apparent reason other than he "felt" like it and an ex-con "told him to," has his own website, is a reverend, and has had conjugal visitswith his wife while in prison doing life for these murders (to top it alloff, ALSO HAS KIDS). He better be glad he didn't get caught in SharonTate's home state.

I was in Huntsville prison (Texas Department of Corrections) for 10 months

during 1975-76 and, believe me, after that I didn't WANT to go back...

"...I don't feel like going into a long diatribe on what it's like to pick

cotton. The eleven or twelve members of our work squad (sometimes there are

more members and sometimes less. The maximum number of members will never exceed about twenty) are followed down the rows (very long rows, sometimeswe will work the full four hours of our work-shift just on one single row.I mean that a row might be a full mile long) by a guard on a horse. Theguard is armed with a holster and pistol. There is also two or three rovingguards on horses armed with longer-range rifles. Later I learned that the

pistols fire a very low-impact, under-charged type of thirty-eight bullet.I think so as to not shoot through a prisoner into an innocent prisoner and

also there are civilian family living areas in the vicinity (for the guardsand their families). I'm not going to tell you how it feels on my soft,white back, my legs, my soft white hands, my feet (shod in "brogans," which

are like a stiff work shoe-boot), I'm not going to tell you this. There isone prisoner whom the guard picks out at the beginning of the work period to

be what they call the "striker," this is a prisoner who follows behind theslow prisoners to pick up the cotton they have missed or to hoe behind themor whatnot. Some prisoners like to do this as it is less boring and theyget to chat with the guard and whatnot. At the end of the first day, myhands are a mess of blisters and so are my feet. My whole thirty-year old

body hurts. We file back to the dorm, take showers and some watch T.V. or read or write, but as for me, I pass out on the bed..." Anyway, I could tell all the reasons that made me NEVER WANT TO RETURN to the Texas State

Prison...but I don't have the space.

(this is directly out of the newspaper from here in El Paso)

2 ACCUSED IN TRIPLE SLAYING WERE ON PAROLE

Associated Press:June 30, 1997Jacksonville, Texas

Two men accused of executing a 13 year-old girl and two others last April

were paroled last year under mandatory prison release guidelines, theJacksonville Daily Progress reported Sunday.

Thank you very much Bill. For your website, for your work, for your honesty,


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and for your patience.

Eric GranskouEl Paso, Texas, USA

P.S. (I took the clip right from the newspaper, word for word)

P.P.S. (sorry about the grammar and typos) I'm not that well educated. (butI'm trying)

Subj:


From: Eric G.To: [email protected]

Dear Bill.

Happy birthday, I hope you and yours are happy and prosperous.

Into the subject: You're going to think I'm a Manson "sympathizer" but I'm NOT. It's simply that if you don't have an insight as to the "character" of these men and women then it's my opinion that you are not receiving ALL theinformation. Because you told two million viewers of your website..."...don't be afraid..." The reason I quote all the time,"...don't

be afraid...," is not to make fun of you, or to demean you, it's to HEARTENme. Because the people are going to think I'm like Manson after they see mystories. AND Manson and his "cronies" will think I'm a "dog" (and maybe DO

something to me).

Many people probably think that "Springer" and "Danny DiCarlo" of theStraight Satan Motorcycle gang (who were some of the primary informants [FOR THE PROSECUTION] against Manson and his robber-killers) are your typical"All American" boys. When I lived in Venice Beach, California in the veryearly seventies the Straight Satans wore a Mexican poncho-type sleevelessvest as part of their "colors." This excerpt is from the stories I wrote (soI would not forget my "streetlife") in 1992.

This scene is Haight Ashbury (an apartment on the corner of Page and Fellstreets) in fall of 1969...

"...A real biker, the first I'd ever met. He was into his trip. He had analbum."This is my chopper," he proudly says.The bike is long, the front wheel is ten feet in front of the bike suspended on two thin rods. The handle bars are "ape-hangers" so when the rider rideshe's holding his arms out and up from his body. On the rear wheel is asissy bar. Two metal rods, angle iron, that stick up from the rear wheelabout three feet in the air to prevent the river's passenger from falling

backwards off the motorcycle during quick acceleration. A stripped down,fast, large Harley Davidson. There are other pictures, of fellow members,choppers, I stop at one.

"Why are all these guys standing around in a circle?"


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"They're pissing on my colors," during the initiation of the new member the jacket gets pissed on by everyone, to be put on wet, and never during

the life of the owner to be washed. Real outlaw...When I smoked weed, maybea joint a day, they would smoke weed like cigarettes. They took two or three tabs of acid at a time, they took amphetamines, shot morphine intotheir veins, took pills, drank whiskey and beer...fill your body to the hiltwith dope, all kinds of barbiturates, amphetamines, booze, all at one time.The bikers. Go to jail frequently, fight frequently..."

Because, Bill, you simply GOT TO KNOW the character of these people. Theyare not the "salt of the earth" worker Americans.

Secondly, the state of Texas does not take into consideration if you're a"biker" or if you get "high" when you commit a crime. Not at all, they put

you in the state prison at Huntsville, Texas. The judge is not going to ask you, "Oh, gee, were you a biker?!?" and say, "Well, in that case, I'll giveyou probation." Not at all brother.

Thanx (and thank you especially for the "BIOGRAPHY PAGE" because I wasworried that you might be a "con" or "extremist" because these types abound on the net).

Eric GranskouEl Paso, Texas (where me and Sharon Tate grew up [not together])USA

P.S. (sorry about the grammar, I've been living "on the street" for a longtime).

Subj:

Date: 8/25/99 8:06:24 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: (Eric Granskou)To: [email protected]

Dear Bill,

The reason for my "little excerpts" from my own experiences among thehippies of the late sixties and early seventies is that in accordance withyour policy of staying as close to the absolute "truth" as possible it isonly reasonable in order that the younger readers are not "misled" or "misinformed" as to the situation which existed during the period and that

they UNDERSTAND that when Manson was paroled in 1967 that he did not slinghis guitar across his back and stroll out to one of the many suburban,middle-class parks that abounded in El Paso, Texas (where both me and Sharon

Tate grew up).Had he been "unwise" enough to have done this, he would have been accosted within minutes of his arrival, his I.D. would have been thoroughly checked

and it would have been made quite clear that his presence was "undesired" inthe area. I know, I am from El Paso. AND I also know what it was like tolive in the Haight Ashbury section of San Francisco and on Venice Beach,California during the late sixties and early seventies. Manson did notrecruit his band of robber-thief-killers in a typical suburban middle class


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park of the era. No, when he was paroled he went to the area of the United States that was most comfortable for his particular "lifestyle." So I

assumed it would in conjunction with the "absolute" truth for the readersto catch a "glimmering" of what it was like to live on the beach of theVenice Beach, California of the early 1970s. And also because you say onyour website; to protect against misinformation and outright lies;"...don't

be afraid..." I assume this to indicate that if the information is true, itwill, through the diligent research and investigative efforts of people suchas you, surface...

VENICE BEACH, CALIFORNIA; THE SUMMER-TURNING-WINTER OF 1970"...There's a crash pad on Venice Beach front, it's like a store, all the

beach bums and hippies and I guess you'd call them "homeless," although inthat day and age we didn't use the term, could come in this kind of like

ex-store and crash, there was an old couch and nothing else. If you wanted you cold bring cardboard and make your own cubicle. These guys and girls,none of which worked, would go out in the street all day and panhandle, some

of these kids were minors, panhandling was their main breadwinner, getting

drunk was their main past time..."

In Texas there is the death penalty. They don't CARE if you "live out onthe street." They don't CARE if you beg and are dirty and take LSD. Theydon't CARE if you listen to ex-cons. They don't CARE if you have orgieswith your friends. What they CARE about is...DO NOT MURDER! Period. Theyare not going to shake your hand and say, "Gee, you must've had a reallycrumby home life." They're not going to pat you on the back and tell you,

"Golly, you sure must've been HIGH on something." They're not going to park a trailer in the prison compound, with all the rapists, murderers, burglars, and con men aware of it, and let you have sexual intercourse with

your "wife." They're not going to do none of that. What they're going todo is KILL you. Last week they executed a man for raping then beating todeath an old woman in 1983. Usually, a death-sentenced prisoner is able to"enjoy" living on a south Texas work farm from 12-14 yrs. before he isexecuted (12-14 yrs. is about the average time it takes to exhaust everyform of legal appeal). Next month (September '99) they are going to execute5 or 6 more (that's one a week and then some).

Thank you for your website, Bill Nelson, and I hope I don't sound like I'mtrying to be smart or anything.

Eric Granskou

El Paso, Texas, USA

P.S. (sorry about the grammer and typos)

This next letter was in response to my obtaining the original finger print card for Charles M. Manson theday he went to San Q. April 11, 1971. It was presented to me for a possible marketing of the document. Iimmediately consulted several well placed people with law enforcement ties and I called the CDC to

inform the director that I had this document. Tomorrow, I shall surrender the original finger print card toan investigator with the California Department of Corrections.



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From: M69MURDERSTo: Jim

Hi there Jim, please forgive me for going back to an old e-mail, but it is the only way I could retrieve your address.

Say! You are an attorney, right? Well, I have the original finger print card for Charles Manson when hewent to San Q. to Death Row. I did not steal it. I did not receive it as stolen property i.e. 496 ReceivingStolen Property -- so...

Is it legal for me to sell it, auction it, lottery, raffle, whatever, since somehow it was discarded from prisonfiles, even though it should not have been?

I told Corcoran State Prison and CIW about the massive file that was brought to me. But, they did not

know about the print card. What do you think?

I want to sell it, and give some of the proceeds to the Parent and LaBianca families. Write me?

-Bill

Subj: Re:

Date: 8/22/99 11:53:55 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: JimTo: M69MURDERS

Bill,

I believe I know the answer to your question. However, I must qualify it by stating that you are tounderstand that I am not giving you any legal opinion or advice that you should rely upon (I'm awaiting

my July Bar Exam Results and license, and thus cannot give "legal advice" yet).

Having stated that, according to the California Penal Code, I don't believe you should even have those

fingerprint cards in your possession, let alone sell them. According to the California Penal Code sections11075-11076, individual criminal record information, including identification information (under whichfingerprint cards and records should fall), compiled and maintained by law enforcement agencies, is onlyto be disseminated to agencies authorized by statute to receive that information, and according toguidelines set forth by the Attorney General's Office. Here are two hyperlinks to the California PenalCode sections CA Codes (pen:11075-11081) and WAIS Document Retrieval. The latter link deals withthe state level at the AG's office, but there are also "local level" statutes that are pretty much the same.

However, section 11080 does state that it only applies to the extent that it doesn't conflict with other statute provisions, and thus if there is a statute that would allow a private individual to have access to or

possession of the records, then possession of those records should be legal.

Obviously there are statutes that allow public access to the information, for example in the book "Helter Skelter" there are some pictures of fingerprint information that appear to have come from trial exhibits,and thus are public already. Another example, there are now statutes that allow the public to examine

records of registered sex offenders to determine if those individuals live in their neighborhoods. However,the key difference here is that you have possession of the actual record and not a photograph or other reproduction intended for public use (such as a trial exhibit) or otherwise allowed by statute (such as sex

offender registration information) That you came into the record purely by happenstance would probablynot serve to circumvent the statutes if you are not authorized to posses the actual records.

I can give you a bit of "advice" - speak to a licensed attorney in California. There may be somestatutory provision that allows a private citizen to possess those types records of which I'm not aware, in


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which case you of course would be able to sell the fingerprint card.

Good Luck with it, as that is a pretty good idea you have for the proceeds of such a sale.

Jim

Subj:

Date: 8/23/99 1:49:24 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: [email protected]: [email protected]

CONCERNED CHRISTIANS GROWTH MINISTRIES INC

50 Carcoola Street, Nollamara, WESTERN AUSTRALIA 6061

E-mail: [email protected]

Visit our Web site at: www.ccgm.org.au

Dear Bill

I was glad to discover your web site and info. on various aspects of theManson murders, particularly in light of the very superficial treatment

the murdewrs received around this 30th 'anniversary' time (especiallysuperficial here in Australia - basically one article from the USA -Associated Press article by Linda Deutsch )

Our Christian counter-cult Ministry (see our Web site) is always tryingto ensure that we have and share accurate information - your comments on

Charles 'Tex' Watson were insightful and helpful.

I have searched in vain, however, for information regarding Susan Denise

Atkins and her claimed Christian conversion in late 1974 (e.g. book:Child of Satan, Child of God). Do you have any information on her, and her present state/situation?

I personally agree with you about forgiveness, but I also believe thatconversion to Christ does not remove the obligation to pay the penaltyfor crimes committed - do the crime- do the time. That doesn't lessenGod's forgiveness, but can often be a test of genuine repentance and conversion (rather than increasing suspicion that the 'conversion' ismore a way of avoiding paying the penalty for crimes committed).

I would appreciate hearing from you, especially regarding Susan Atkins.

Regards

Adrian van LeenDirector


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Subj:

Date: 8/22/99 11:22:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time

From: DonTo: [email protected]

Dear Mr. Nelson:

It's been said before, but bears repeating, thanks, thanks, thanks, for your tireless work on the Manson case. To this day, I don't think the killersreally "get" what they did. Maybe another 50 years in prison will provideclarity.

Of all of the characters of this macabre real-life drama, Tex Watson iseasily the most intriguing to me. Susan is clearly nuts, Charlie issometimes brilliant, but it is overshadowed by his shame-induced dark side,

Katie is depressed, Bruce mean, Leslie impulsive. Tex is far from the mostintelligent of the bunch, but he is the most intuitive. Pinning him down is

like surrounding mercury.

It was my interest in Tex that led me to not only to read your 1991 book about the All-American murderer, but also to dig a little into Watson'sCollin County (Texas) Sheriff's Department file. In it is a request byMendocino County authorities to Sheriff Tom Montgomery to question Tex abouta double homicide on the night of October 13, 1968. Given that even L.A.County authorities were denied permission to talk to Tex in Collin County, Idoubt seriously that a word was said by his second cousin.

So this past Friday, I e-mailed Abounding Love Ministries, Inc., hoping for an answer. Here is the complete text of my message (to date, no response).

Your website is interesting to say the least. I suppose if I was to

spend the rest of my life in prison, this would beat reading dune buggy magazines. But as ameticulous researcher of Charles Denton Watson (especially that period of your life that relatesto killing people), Iliterally have hundreds of questions. Of course, I am not foolishenough to pretend that youwould even acknowledge me asking them, much less give an honest answer.Why should you?

The statue of limitations hasn't run on some of the things that youmight have gotten away with.But after looking at your Collin County Sheriff's Department file, I

couldn't help but wonder if you

happened to be in Mendocino County, California on or about October 13,1968. Or, let me tryit different way, was Sharon Tate the first pregnant woman you ever murdered?


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In the spirit of your website, I do hope you will respond. It isfascinating that all of the e-mail

feedback that is represented on your site is positive. Not one pointed question, not oneadvocate for your victims. Not one. Amazing.

By the way, for what it's worth, I don't think you'll ever get out. I'msure you've reached thatconclusion independently. But religion is a narcotic in certaincircumstances, and it's a lotcheaper that sex, dope, work, or gambling. Anything to keep fromlooking at yourself.Best of luck- you're going to need it.

I have this feeling that we only really know a fraction of what Tex Watsondid with his free time while in California. And it's a bad feeling.

Don A.

Subj: Re:

Date: 8/20/99 12:32:54 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Jack To: [email protected]

Hi Bill!

Thank you for responding so quickly to our e-mails. We are so excited to see thenew web page with credit card info.

Are you planning to attend this parole hearing for Leslie Van Houten? I guess shehas found an attorney. She really doesn't like you! ;-) I wonder if AccessManson will discuss this parole hearing. They rarely update their information. I

have looked through the whole page. There are a lot of pictures of Manson,Lynette, and Sandy. No pictures of St. George, though. Have you met him? I havenever written to them. You are the only person I have ever written to regardingthis case. Thank you for doing what you are doing. As you know, this case is sointricate. For as long as the judicial system entertains the idea of parole for these people, the case is not dead.Learning more about us...Hmmm....Well, I am the main one to research this subject. Some nights, we sit atthe computer together, but I have been reading Manson literature for years. Iknow that you hear that all of the time. My husband, Jack, works alot, and I stayhome, read up, and then tell him what I have learned each day. We are bestfriends, and share almost every interest. He is also very interested and

intrigued by this case. There is so much to tell, as every person is sodifferent, I am not sure of what to tell you. I don't want to bore you with long,drawn out life stories. I have been through the school of hard knocks, not unlike

yourself. I have pulled through, and am a very happy, healthy person today,thanks to Jack, and myself. I would love to chat with you sometime, aboutwhatever you would like to talk about. I am online quite often, and you could

contact me that way, through ICQ, if you use it. Or, if you would like to arrangea phone call sometime, just let me know. I am frequently home. Ask and ye shallreceive, right?I like your style. Hopefully we will meet someday.Take good care.


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K

[email protected] wrote:

> Hi Jack, yes things will still be free on the web site. No, I cannot say who> Desert Speaks is just yet, but that should NOT negate the value of an eye

> witness person and the insights we glean.>

> I already figured low pricing was necessary.>> Leslie...I know so much more right now!!! November 4 is her hearing.>> Maybe if I learn more about you and the lovely lady you share your life with,> I might give more confidential information... So -- tell me more.>

> -Bill

Subj:

Date: 8/24/99 4:55:46 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: B...

To: M69MURDERS

Hi, I am a student looking to do a project on many topics one of which include Charles Manson. Through

extensive searching on the web, I was able to find that you were an expert in this particular portion of myassignment. My question for you is whether you can supply me (or I can buy with the meager amount of funds I do have) with some actual video footage of Mr. Manson. If not, is there a web page or anyresource section where I can obtain these materials? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

B...

Subj: re:

Date: 8/25/99 12:40:35 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Na...To: M69MURDERS

hi Bill,

do u happen to know where i can find the charles manson trial on video? i really want to see the

prosecutors and defense attorneys in action. thank you for your time.

Subj: Re: manson murders trial

Date: 8/25/99 9:45:38 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: M69MURDERSTo: Na...

Sorry, there was NO video of the trial. You should know that, since it was pre TV cameras in the courtroom. Sketches were allowed.

Subj:

Date: 8/17/99 7:53:46 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Ra...To: M69MURDERS


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contact to Patti Tate. I would love to write her a letter, but I don't knowher address, and I just have this desire to comfort her somehow - to let

her know that there are still people around who still think of Sharon, and still admire her.

Can you help me?? Or can I send the letter to you, and you can forward itto Patti?Please let me know!

Thank you very much!

Once again - great book you wrote!

All my best to you and your family!

Martina, Switzerland

Please be advised my communication with the Tate family stopped after the

death of Doris Tate. I cannot speak about the health of Patti but I do hear reports of medicalproblems. As I stated in my book Manson Behind The Scenes, Patti chose to have me removed fromthe Maury Povich show in 1992 or she would not appear. That hurt, was needless and I have onlysent one letter to her in the last five years or more. The letter was to clear the air, and wish her thevery best in her remaining years. I spoke no ill of the Tate family in my book. I choose to continuethat policy. May I suggest you forward any letter you wish to reach Patti Tate to the deputyDistrict Attorney Stephen Kay.

STEPHEN KAY

HEAD DEPUTYLONG BEACH BRANCH OFFICE415 WEST OCEAN BLVD.ROOM 305LONG BEACH, CA 90802

Subj:

Date: 8/13/99 8:51:06 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: PEYT0N

To: M69MURDERS

Hi,

I was just at your site and reading the Leslie Van Houten page. I noticed you wanted her to answer several questions. I've read HELTER SKELTER, and I'd never heard any mention of several of theitems you described. Like the logs being stacked and something about the Labianca family being afraid of rosemary's daughter. Can you tell me more about that?Thank you, Peyton

Subj:Date: 8/14/99 12:01:45 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: MarieTo: M69MURDERS


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August 14, 1999

Mr. Nelson:

A few years ago a friend of mine accessed on his computer the written transcript of the last parole hearingof Charles Manson. It was fascinating reading. Could you please let me know if such a site still exists and where I might find these hearings in transcript form word for word? A reply would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

Maria

Subj:

Date: 8/13/99 8:51:45 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Kelly

To: M69MURDERS

Mr. Nelson,

I recently visited your site and I must say you do an excellent job.

I was wondering if you had the address of the prison(s) or parole board(s) for Leslie Van Houten and theothers involved in these crimes as I would like to write letters protesting their release. If you could supply

this information, I would greatly appreciate it.

Kelly

Subj:

Date: 8/12/99 8:49:10 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: JohnTo: [email protected]

Dear Bill Nelson,

I came across your site today while searching for updates on the Mansonkillers. For the second time, I am reading Vincent Bugliosi's "Helter Skelter" because I was reminded of the killings through another 30thanniversary-the lunar landing. On the anniversary day of Apollo 11'slanding, my mind was suddenly cast back to another "darker" 30thanniversary that was coming, that of the Manson murders. At the time of the Tate-LaBianca murders, I was an impressionable lonely 16 year old orphan kid living in Syosset, Long Island New York. My family life wascrumbling and I seriously thought of heading out to California. Themurders deeply shocked me and I hesitated for nearly two years. Finally,

in 1971, I hitchhiked to California. Penniless and depressed, I ended up

in the Haight Ashbury district of San Francisco, where by the grace of God, I became truly born again by God's Spirit. Little did I know that,

a few months later, I would occupy, with 8 other newly converted youngsters, one of the Manson's homes at 532 Clayton Street. This


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revelation came to light while still living there, for a constant streamof onlookers were forever looking up in our windows from the sidewalk

below. One day, I had the nerve to ask them, "What are you staring at?""Your house was the Manson Family's commune," came the reply. I soonfound out that the onlookers were right as evidenced in a book I found in the house. Looking back, I could well believe it for the house wasreal spooky. It had strange pentagrams painted on the ceiling and thestairwell was painted in green with black blotches. The house indeed always felt funny. However, I was reminded of the reason why we kidswere there: ours [house] was a half-way home for the homeless and drugaddicts, who being fed up with their lifestyles, came to us for help and comfort. Manson and his girls used this house for just the oppositereason. After learning about my home, I said to myself, "Well, Manson,the girls and the Devil had this house, but now Christians and God have

this home!" We were serving God in this home for about a year and ahalf. Since then, I have come to Canada where I am now a citizen and live. Let me now thank you for your superb info about the whereabouts of

all the Manson gang and the victim's families. I too feel that the

murderers have no rights- isn't that the reason why they areincarcerated? The state took away their rights and freedoms, or better yet, they forfeited all their freedoms when they committed murder. I amappalled at how far these murderers can go in living relatively normallives while incarcerated, such as "Tex" Watson! I am incensed to learnthat he is married and has 4 children. Shame to the American penalsystem! And kudos to you for keeping the memory of their atrocitiesalive. Born Again? If these murderers have truly become "born again"

they would accept their fate instead of manipulating the Grace of God, plus the American justice system for an early release. No matter whatthey say or do, they can never erase the fact that they committed

murder. God may indeed forgive them, but while they are in the flesh,and there are still reminders of the victims and their families around,the court has final say this side of the veil. We'll leave the other side of the veil to God. Like the holocaust, our cry should be, "Never forget!"Sincerely,JohnPS: I welcome you to visit me in our chat room sometime. Let me know byemail when you can make it and I'll be there.--

Technical Writer

Subj:


From: Drew


Dear Bill:

Great investigative work on your book- "Manson Behind the Scenes"- your dedication to the victims is socompassionate . I never paid much attention to the

"Zodiac murders" and who could have been behind them -


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now it appears that these grisly murders were Mansonrelated as well.

I do also admire your web site and your dedicationwiththe late Doris Tate to keep these animals behind barswhere they belong as all wild animals should be. Keep upthe great work.

Sincerely ,

DrewTupelo, MS

Subj:

Date: 8/12/99 1:12:38 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: (Eric G...)To: [email protected]

Dear Bill,

I thought you might be interested. I work at a homeless place in El Paso,Texas. My job consists of doing janitorial duties from 5pm to 7pm, Mondaythrough Friday. This is a part-time job while I attend college. I'm trying tosalvage something from my drunken past (I haven't drank or smoked marijuanaor used drugs since December 6, 1991). The point is, that I get to come incontact with people that are living on the street.There have been two or three people that have come into contact with Mansonor his girls during some point of their lives. About three months ago there

was a "client" of ours, a rather old, stately-looking individual (I'm 52 andI believe he is 62)that used to live with his family behind a Texaco gasstation near the entrance of Death Valley. He told me the name of thelittle town but I have since forgotten. He says that area (where he and hisdad used to live) has become a big "retirement" area now. But anyway, hewould see Charlie and the girls on a regular basis. Coming to the stationto "gas up." After I questioned him rather extensively he said that Manson'shair was a slightly reddish hue and that the girls he usually had with himwere always "real pretty." He said that they would pay for the gas with acredit card, always a Texaco credit card. I asked him if Manson looked"stoned." He said Manson never "looked stoned" but was always very cheerful

and polite. That he was always smiling and had a word of cheer. But he saidthe girls always "looked stoned." He said the girls always looked as if they had been smoking marijuana. He said that were always in an old fordstationwagon. Another "client" of the homeless establishment where I worksaid he was in Vacaville with Manson. All he commented on was that "Mansonliked to talk a lot and was "really tripped out." I get these renditions onManson from the street people that frequent the homeless place where I work.They are usually drifters. I'm sure that you have a lot to do and cannotsift through all the mail you get regarding little "sound bytes" of information about Manson and his infamous "family." I wonder if I am "out of order" when I send these little bits of information I glean. I certainly

hope not. Maybe you could create a page for little "Manson Family soundbytes" of information. Like when the 40 year-old woman told me she hadheard of the Manson Family while she was living in San Diego in 1968 and shewas only 10 years old at the time (I would have never believed that Mansonwas already that well known). Anyway, I see from the e-mail that there are


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people from all over the world that are interested in "the Manson Family."Of course the trouble is that you have to try to sort out the "true" bitsfrom the "errors." But the bits I have related in this e-mail are just likeI heard them.How can I take back the "crummy" life I led up to 1991? I can't and I'msorry. I can just try to do as well as I can from here on out. Thank God Ididn't have the misfortune to harm someone (physically)or do any realpermanent damage while I in my dysfunction.

Thank you for your website. I like it a lot.

Eric

P.S. I'm sorry for the poor grammar and typos.

Subj:Date: 8/11/99 9:17:26 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Wendy...To: M69MURDERS

Hello Mr. Nelson,

I have to admit, until recently, I was one of those who harbored rather critical feelings regardingyour selling of such items as the autopsy photos. But having just read your "Just for the record"page, my opinion of you has changed very much for the better. You made a great deal of sense inyour explanation, and after all, no one should expect you to be a charity.

Additionally, as a longtime Sharon Tate fan (just a plain old fan, not a fanatic), I commend you forconstantly reminding the public of what horrible monsters the Head Creep (I can't even stand tosay/write his name) and his minions really are, and why they should never see another free day intheir entire lives. The only change I now wish for, regarding your site, would be to have it offermore details on the lives of the victims, rather than dealing solely with their gruesome deaths andtheir killers.

Those nauseating so-called "people" (doesn't one have to possess a little something called humanityin order to really and truly be a person?) have gotten so much undeserved attention becauseSharon, Jay, Gibby, Voytek, Steven Parent, the LaBiancas, and countless others died. It was the

victims who made the supreme sacrifice, so shouldn't they get more attention? Instead, it's nowthirty years later and everyone knows the Sicko's name (again, I can't bear to mention the M-word),but most people would be hard-pressed to name his victims, with the possible exception of Ms. Tate.

I realize that I'm far too idealistic, but maybe, just maybe, it could bring about some sort of smallbut positive change in the world if VICTIMS got more press than their murderers. Even if just oneviewer or reader gained a bit more insight, or an increased appreciation for the value of life, thatwould be a change for the better. In a world as dangerous and frightening as this one has become,ANY positive influence, however small and seemingly insignificant, has got to be a good thing!Maybe it would also cut down on the copycat factor, at least a little. And how could it be wrong toremind people of the precious, unique treasures that have been lost (or rather, stolen) with each

killing? See, I told you I was idealistic!

Anyway, I know you're busy, so I won't expect any reply. I just wanted to THANK YOU for doingeverything you have, for helping the victims' families (especially Doris Tate. I'm a mom, too, and itbreaks my heart to think of what torment it must have been for her to lose a child in that fashion),


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and for being so brave as to openly defy the "family members". I wish you only the very best, whichincludes a long, safe life filled with continued success.

In Admiration,

Wendy

Subj:Date: 8/11/99 1:45:08 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: (Kelly w...)


In 1969 I was a 10 year old, growing up in Canada, and watching ontelevision as the Manson Murders unfolded. I was shocked but yetinterested in these events, and to this day hold that interest.Your website is quite complete and offers valuable informationregarding those events. I do have 2 questions that you may be able to

answer.First, what has happened to the Manson Family children? In the bookHelter Skelter, it says they were placed in the care of foster homes oradoption agencies. Surely some of these children were already of theage where they were influenced by the Manson Family adults. Is thereany evidence that shows these children actively support the family inthe present day?Secondly, Is there any family members that have moved to, or livedin Canada? Keep up the interesting work!

Subj:

Date: 8/11/99 9:45:43 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: (E.G)To: [email protected]

Bill,

Hi Bill my order came on Monday, I've watched everything already. I reallyenjoyed "Lynn's footage", it was great to see it from the insideout instead of vice versa.I also enjoyed those two Leslie hearings, Steven Kay I thought madeexcellent points in his closing remarks.

Thanks again,

Eric

Subj:

Date: 8/10/99 11:44:52 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: (Eric G...)To: [email protected]

Dear Bill,


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I thought I would be unique in the fact that during the period in 1968 whenI used to dwell in the Haight Ashbury district of San Francisco (I was 20yrs old) that I would hear rumors of something called "The family." I hadheard that there were many pretty girls and a few men and that they wouldraid the dumpsters of the area and that they lived the epitome of what wouldbe defined as a "hippie lifestyle." I was straight out of the middle-classduring this era and even though the rumors were rife I never had theoccasion to meet any of the "family." But the strange part is that

yesterday, August 9, I was doing my customary job at the OccupationalOpportunity for the Homeless Center here in Texas and I was chatting with oneof the clients, a young woman of about 40 years old and low and behold, shesays,"Oh, yes when I was living in San Diego in 1968 I had heard of the"Manson" family. The people living on the street all up and down theCalifornia coast had heard of him." She looks at me and says,"And I wasonly ten years old at the time." This is not to imply that the little girlwas living on the street (she was living with her parents) but to emphasizethat the "Manson family" was more known than many would think.

I thought this might be interesting. Your website is so entertaining to me

because I remember living during that era.

Thank you very much,

Eric (not the same as the letter just above)

Subj:Date: 8/8/99 5:00:56 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: TDTo: M69MURDERS

Mr. Nelson,

I'm just returning from a trip to the Panamint Range and wanted to report that the Goler Road gotsome major water about three weeks ago and is barely passable from the west approach. Someone

with the right kind of 4WD and some time, energy and experience could do the road from the west.We went up on Friday(8/6) and got turned back about one mile up. It was possible to go on but wedecided against spending two or three hours picking our way up just to get to the Barker. The NPSranger reported two weeks ago that the road was okay from the Warm Springs side but said thatgoing down the west approach would work better with gravity on your side. He did the road fromthe East and his analysis was absolutely correct. The local talk is that the NPS and or Inyo Countywill be working on the rehabilitation of Goler soon.... Also that the fire was most likely an arson andthe owners are considering a reconstruction project. I will let you know if I hear anythingelse new or interesting.On a different subject, what contribution did you make to the reevaluation of the prison rights of convicted murderers in the California system. I applaud any efforts to limit the rights of convicted

murderers, considering the gravity of their crime(s) I really enjoy your website.

Best regards,


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Tom

Subj:


From: JackTo: [email protected]

Have you noticed that the web page for Leslie Van Houten, made by hersupporters, has gone off-line?(http://www.wco.com/~aerick/leslie.htm)Hmmm, I wonder why.

Subj:


From: (Julie)To: [email protected]

Enjoyed your site. I was 12 years old at the time of the murders, living inColumbus, Ohio. I remember the fear that everyone felt across the USA, andColumbus, Ohio was no exception. My parent's favorite pass time in the 60'swas driving up and down High Street through the Ohio State University Campusand gawking at the hippies. I remember more than once the Ohio National Guardlined along High Street to keep peace. For all the proselytizing of love andpeace the hippies did, they sure were violent.

I stumbled across Abounding Love Ministries several months ago. I'm aChristian and firmly believe in forgiveness, but I also believe inconsequences for our actions. God can forgive someone who's heart is humblebut that doesn't mean you will get off the hook for what you've done. Godforgave Saul, a cold-blooded murderer and change him into Paul, the greatestmissionary, but Paul paid dearly the rest of his life. He endured more than Ican imagine handling. As a little girl, the preacher always told we youngpeople that sometimes the sins of our youth will remain with us until the daywe die and sometimes those sins block the road to human fulfillment inmarriage, children, carriers, homes, etc. I was rather surprised thatCharles Watson fathered children - 4 no less. So many have said he is

selfish, and I wonder if he thought about the life his children will lead,being the son of a notorious murderer. All the dumb masses out there thateither want to touch the flesh of someone who's the child of someone whomurdered someone or those who preach the doctrine that no matter how manyhundreds of years have passed since an atrocity was committed, you'reresponsible. What a legacy to give your children and their children and soforth.

In any event, I too hope they never get out on parole, not because I fear themany more and I have no doubt they would be model citizens, but because theyhave to pay the consequences for their actions. As my mother always said, the

bigger the actions, the bigger the consequences. I'd feel safer locked in aroom alone with Charles Watson or Susan Atkins than I would with one of theseMarilyn Manson followers.

Keep up the good work.


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Julie

Subj:

Date: 8/6/99 12:24:39 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: (Eric G)


Dear Bill,

I believe when the prison chaplain of CIW says, "If you don't stand forsomething you will fall for anything," is a kind of "thieves jargon"(thieves will make up little slogans to inspire themselves)or what you calla "lowlife-type" of nuance.

These prison chaplains and ministers of the Word of God are looking awfully

"flaky" to say the very least.

The prison chaplain at Huntsville, Texas actually married Karla Faye Tucker.What do these freaks do? Snarf around the prisons looking for "lonely"women? Isn't this rather injurious to the prisoner him/her self? For a "MANOF GOD" to condone and pardon the prisoners past crimes. For a "MAN OF GOD"to positively reinforce the criminal portion of the prisoner's psyche.

I would say these "prison chaplains" had better be checked a little bitcloser by the system. If these ministers and chaplains are actually gettingpaid, the system HAD BETTER find out exactly how they operate.

Thank you for your website, I enjoy it immensely,

Eric G...

Subj:

Date: 8/5/99 5:26:52 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: D...

To: M69MURDERS

Mr. Nelson,

I am taking a Criminal Law class at the (deleted) of Law here in (deleted)We have a project due in 2 weeks on a Serial Killer or Mass Murder, so of course I chose CharlesManson, since I have been infatuated with him since the first time I saw the movie "HELTERSKELTER". I have found that your WebPages has more information on Manson then any of theother pages I have looked at..... actually I am still going through your WebPages for moreinformation...... I appreciate everything you have done and are doing with keeping the publicinformed on the actions of the "Manson Family". I, like you, believe that they should stay in jail for

there life time if not longer. But we both know that sooner or later someone is going to find a holeand they are going to be released. Actually I would go to the extreme of actually saying that theyshould have all been put to death... but I believe in the death penalty. I also believe in "an eye for aneye" which really bugs my professors. But each to their own belief...... Please keep up the goodwork, and hopefully the report I write will be as accurate as your research....


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Thank you,

Missy

Subj:


From: beatrizgaTo: [email protected]

Hello, my name is Beatriz G..., I am from Mexico, and I´m very interested in knowing MansonáHistory, his background, his childhood, this is for me to understand the reason he became a majormurdered.I will appreciate if you can send me this information

Greetings

The following letter shows that I am not afraid to publish very critical opinions about me or thisweb site.

Subj:

Date: 8/3/99 1:01:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time


Mr. Nelson,

I found your website through a search engine. I was not directed to it through a CNN interview, which Ihave never seen, or any of your books, which I have never read. I have an interest in the Manson familywhich is purely intellectual, and I was hoping your page would help me learn more.

I began by reading the information about Leslie Van Houten, of who I had heard little. Halfway throughyour page, however, I began to get disgusted. I was not disgusted by the horrific crimes that werecommitted by Manson and his Family, though they are brutal and terrible, rather, I was disgusted by your swift transition from fact to opinion. After I read this page, I went back to your home page, hoping to find

more fact. I was intrigued by the "positive" and "negative" responses to the Van Houten trial, and read them both.

Your "positive responses" didn't seem to fit within the realm of the trial--they seemed to be "positive" if,and only if, they praised either yourself or your book at some point. I also read the "negative responses".Your emphasis on "unedited" tripped an alarm wire for me, and as I read, I was not surprised to read whatI will assume is a very select group of letters--letters with poor grammar, misspellings, and generalincorrect usage's of things, as well as anything that might have been construed as an opinion contrary toyours. Again, not many fit within the realm of the trial itself.

On a related note, your abrupt, often rude dismissal of any suggestion relating to your self-aggrandizing

attitude (which is apparent throughout your page and pages linked to it) demonstrates a lack of character often termed "being an egomaniac." Yes, your page is very informative, and it's apparent that you arewell-versed in all things Manson, but your boorish rebuttals to any constructive criticism send the wrong

image to anyone who might be interested in what you have to say. It has certainly affected me this way.


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catch that the first time I saw the show, but then I watched it verycarefully on tape and noticed several such mistakes. I won't bore you withthe examples unless you're interested. The most egregious error, of course,was buying into the bogus copycat defense. All of us who care about thetruth should be outraged by that. But really, they just got a lot of thebasic facts wrong. Very sloppy work.

Subj:

Date: 8/2/99 11:20:54 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Stephanie S...To: [email protected]

Hello Bill!

I've been an avid reader of your website for quite some time now, and

check it out daily. I never felt the need to write before, but afterreading today's update page I felt that I must. I am more thandisappointed that Gina has not been able to get her documentary on theair, and I agree with you totally that the media is only interested inthe blood and gore involved with the Manson case, whereas the mostimportant thing is this: the senseless loss of life, 30 years ago,still eats away at the family and friends of those lost in those fatefulnights of the Manson killing spree. Where we are more interested inknowing the facts of the case, and the far reaches of the tragedy, themedia is only interested in putting Mr. Manson, et al. up on pedestals,making sure that the infamy of those involved only grows bigger and only

attracts those who do not know the full facts of the case. I find someof the letters that you receive from youngsters most disturbing, and wecan only blame the media for making Charles Manson the "superstar" thathe is. Guru, speaker of the truth, icons of history, call them what youwant. The bottom line is: innocent people lost their lives for noreason other than the orders of a crazy man.

I'm looking forward to an update on Bobby Beausoleil. I can't findanything about him, but I've heard rumor that his wife runs a website?Do you have any information on that? Perhaps the website address?

Thanks again for keeping us informed of the truth, and allowing thefamilies of the victims a place to reach out and express their sorrow.

God Bless!

Sincerely,

Stephanie.

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Date: 8/2/99 11:18:06 AM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Don A...To: [email protected]


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Dear Mr. Nelson:

Hard not to think about Tate-LaBianca as the 30th anniversary approaches.Again, thanks for your diligent work, very enjoyable and interesting. Someof the ironies I have been thinking about with regards to the Mansonmurders: 1) Charlie, Tex and the girls saved by a ruling consideringminorities, when their scheme was to start a race war. 2) for all of theirfree love and tripping, the murderers can't go anywhere. 3) Tex Watson

finds God while doing the Devil's work. 4) the idiots that gravitatetowards any craven interest and who support Manson may very well be the bestweapon of the anti-release-ever coalition (count me in this group). As longas there is a contingency of supporters, the parole board and the Governorwill deem release too risky- new families might form. So while I wish thesupporters would wise up, I think that they may be doing all of us a favor.

By the way, Leslie Van Houten probably, in my estimation, won't hire anattorney to help her "manage" the next parole consideration hearing inNovember. As you suspected, that was a ruse. Besides, she wouldn't be "incontrol".

Many thanks,Don A.

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Date: 8/2/99 2:37:35 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: Carri D...To: M69MURDERS

Have you seen this? It was on the ATWA site:

Shortly before these latest restrictions were imposed, Manson made the following observations onhis former co-defendant Leslie Van Houten walking out of her parole hearing on July 7:

"At least she had a little bit of sense. She’s been selling us all out for years. They’ve used her as theweakest link, and they gave our retrial to her. They gave it to her, and then dumped it back on her,and didn’t even pay her what they promised her. When she dealt with those people she got what shehad coming. But that didn’t help us."

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Date: 8/1/99 3:22:30 PM Pacific Daylight TimeFrom: KathiTo: [email protected]

Mr. Nelson,

Recently, I watched Diane Sawyer's 1994 interview on T.V. and wasreminded of reading Helter Skelter back in the 70's. I hadn't reallythought much about it since then. Last Sunday, I happened to catch E'sSharon Tate Story, which sparked my interest again in reading Helter


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Skelter. I also filled out an inter-library exchange form to have my locallibrary obtain Greg King's Book for me. It would have been nice if E hadmentioned that it won't even be available until next year.

I read Helter Skelter again, this time as a 42 year old mother of 5,and a criminal clerk with the District Court. I understood theinvestigation and legal procedures this time. When I think about the shabbypolice work by the LAPD in 1969, and again in the O.J. case, I realize they

really haven't learned much have they? I also got to thinking that thiscrime is a horrible thing now days, however, we have become numb to thissort of thing. It seems to be more and more common. But for 1969, it wasuncomprehendable. One thing I have noticed in my job at the court, is thatthe majority of people just don't seem to have remorse anymore ...especially the juveniles. They aren't even sorry they got caught! They areactually ANGRY that they were caught, and everyone is out to get them. Ithink that more and more society allows people like Manson and his followersto get away with criminal acts. They blame it on the fact that theirfamilies are dysfunctional, or they had a poor childhood ... (you know theexcuses). The laws truly do favor the criminals and not the victims. I see

this every week in court just on D.U.I or theft charges alone. The Judge'shands are tied by ridiculous rights for the criminals.

I just hope that I can instill a fear of God into my children, and aknowledge that they are responsible for their actions, be they good or bad;and that they will have the integrity to stand for what is right in a dayand age when criminal behavior seems to be encouraged.

Thank you for the fight for right and the Constitution (the way ourfore-fathers meant it to be) that you are leading. I will be reading yourweb-site for updates on the Manson killers.

Your reply to my e-mail is not necessary. I realize your busyschedule.Sincerely, Kathi J.

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Date: 8/1/99 3:14:56 PM Pacific Daylight TimeTo: [email protected]

Hi Bill` My name is Terri D... IM from IL. We have talked on the phone a few times about CharlesManson, Do you recall?I just wanted you say hello I e-mailed you before but didn't get a reply so I thought Id try again.Cong. ON YOUR NEW GRAND-BABY`````` I hope all your family is doing well, Your web-site isreal good.. Well I wont keep you, just wanted to say hi... bye Terri D...

Now for the bad news LOL! I read an article in "US" Magazine this evening while I was in thecheckout line at the grocery store and they featured an article on Manson. I picked it up, thenended up buying it. When I finished reading it, I got a bit angry. I could not believe the things I wasreading. The article was completely inaccurate, and almost a "nostalgic" look back at whathappened. I sent them a strong email complaining about their total lack of responsibility in that

article.

However, as they referred to a website, I suggested your website as a balance. I feel obliged to tellyou this. I'm also obliged to apologize for saying you are out of control. Under the circumstances,


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what you are doing is entirely reasonable. I'm forwarding the text of the email I sent to "US"Magazine.

By the way. Are you out of the "Manson: Behind the Scenes" book? I can't seem to get an orderform to go through. I'd very much like to read it.


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