NATIONAL ARCHIVES

IRELAND

Reference Code: 2007/116/750

Creation Date(s): 29 September 1977

Extent and medium: 8 pages

Creator(s): Department of the Taoiseach

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1 • I.'lr ,...,alla,;;::-.:.a~; 1.:-elcosed t~~e ~aciseacL a-.:; 10 Dm-m:ing Street 2.t 11 .25 2.. • .:1. :·he weet::r~0 ~o _ _:-"e!!ce~ \.:....th a te·t~e-a-~e~e be"ti·~e n the Taoisea8h c......-:d "t:_e ::i?'::-lE.e I:i~.ict er. It ~;as at-cendec! also b~r 1<'!~ 1\a ...... :...y, De::;art:.::.ent of "the 'I'aoiseac::.. and Kr Cartledge, Cabi~et Office.

2. Af"ter some p~elimi:nar:l ~cnversation in v:-!lich. in T'.,.,..-.:cu-'"'r -"--..~ -::;.....-=..,.o- _..,.,.:co-c.-r s""-·o t'-'a.J... perhaps..-' e I"'"'J...."'h J:'C-.J,.. l.l~ --~ , t, ... __ __ ...._....- ...... __ ...__Lu-v~;;;.-, c;..~. .J...,j.. v _ _..;.. · u .J.. ..;:._

car-aged "their ?arl~affie~tary cusi~ess bettar, in that the Dail voulC. not be reassembling U..."l"til 12th October. I·ir Callag;Lan enquired as to how the Govern:nent were settli.ng in. ~·he Taoiseach indicated that the Govern:1ent vlere engae::ed in a serles of discussions Kith "the Confederation of Irish Industry, the Ir~sh Ccngrees of Trade Dnio~s ~~i ot.L.er org21:1.t:2.::;ions. l"lr Cal..L<::..::b.an re:warkcd -..,nat :frc .... hJ..s meetings ·::th ~he 'Jor.:. ec. era -:lon of I'!':ist. 2:ndu~try • e ·~~as ;·rrpres eci y·itn ~be q_u.a.li ty cf t:::.e ::.embers. He meJ:tio:::.ecl, i"l - a:-7.ic,~la.r, .E ... :P< .;r: ... tie?<) c_ ~

3 ~ In an oblique refe~ence to "the s2. "tJ...ng of the nev:- Fc::.~c:. PJ.an"t in \•iales, I•:r Callagha.n said that he thought thc."t he son:e-cime.;; gc·t too r:.ucn cred:;. t for the industry. He :tad not real~s~d That ~rel~~a were ~o~g t~e front '!'unnerE. ~ce I·;.;.oiseach said th:J.t. O!l h.:.s inforrr:.a.~ior., the competi~ion !!c.d., i.:.~ "t!'~e e_~a.. Lcluded an Iricn s::t e, up , akos-v to the ·:ery last.

4. I·~r Calla,cb.an tb en enr:_ uired as to h ovr Ir :·_::;h political parTies go~ on -v;i th tb.e Unions. v.'rLa t, for ir.star..ce, 1-:c.s -vl:e na ~u:::-e o:f -r;~e rela tions:.i n betvreen the unions and t1le Labour .?arty - or Fianna Fail. -The Taoiseacb. said that in IS34- the late 1-:.r Sear: Le:c.ass had been responsible for 1:~e enactment of the Condit ions of E!:lployment J_ct, vrhich vias a nioneering piece of legislation on labour rel~tions. Ee~ause of this, there had developej a great a=finity between him ar1rl ":,1:-l.E Unions. Ee had, in fact, been elec.-te:i Chairman of the International Labour Organisa-r;ion in a subsequent year . In fact, relations between the Party and the Unions had always been reasonable . ::here was sorr..e further discussion a.t this point of relations be~een the Unions and the Fine Gael and Labour Parties . The Ta.o;seach reviewed the meetin5 which had ta.ken place recen-cly in Dublin bet;.;-een himself, Government 1'1inisters and Unicn representa'tives to revie-v; the econocic situation. r''Ir cg::.::.2 :-h::-r said thc.t, in his experience , a. GovernMer.:t had -r;o ::Je o.::. e;ood -verms 1:i th -che Unions.

5. The !aoiseach said that in the 1-:K t .. ere were Tra.de ·c_.ic·n leader"', ou-r;, in Irela!ld. ~ these r::igh"t not be Qt:.i ::e a.s obvict:s. Tb.e IC:::·u lacked r::.uscle. There were r::2ny crol.:Il- s ::or disa :ppointment i·li tt. "the Tra.de Union lead.ers:b..ip. ~:.Cere -~re ::.lso gro,_;_ncis fer disa :;.1 ointDe:::-t 1·:--.:. tl: t:te la.:-ge

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1 • 2.t 10 DO>ill::'ng Stre et 2.t 1 ~ :-~5 2..I1. :::'be I:eet':'l:G c:o ... -=e~ced i;ith 8. te"Ge-a.-te~e betKe :!. -:he Taoise2.cn a.:d t~ .. e P:-lEe :·:inister. It ... ·2.S at"tenc..ec. also by l:~ I~ally, Depar"'t:..ent of "the 'Iaoiseach and ~r C2.rtledGe, Cabi~et Office.

2 . Aft er some pre:"imi.na:r';? ~cnvers2.tion in v:-nicb! in. par'Vicu2ar, t~e ?::':"7e ~:":"!li8-:; er, sa':"d tnat perhaps."t' e Iris:!:! n:ar.8.ged "tbeiT '?arl.':"ame.l. .. "ary tusi!less bet-car, in that "t __ e ~ail ~oulQ not be re2.sse~bling ~~"til 12th October. Er Callagban enquired as to how the Govern:nent were settl5..ng in. Tbe Tao i seach indicated that the GoverD.:lent vTere engaged in a serles of discussions Kith "the Confederation of I~ish Industry, the Iris~ Ccng~ess of Trade UnioLs ~~~ c't!.e:- org2""i E2::;iOl::'. i.:r Cal.LLFba!J remarkt=;d. "'"Lat ::rc .. h:!.s meetinl;s·::t~ ~.he 1J0!.:'ec.e:r<:.'::J.on of Iris!:. =ndu~t~/ ,,-"e vas Lpres ed l:-itl1 -b.e qy..ali ty ef t:::'e r::.embers . Ee meJ".."tio:::led, .; '1 ~ ""'; c'· , '0\ .... l.1,_ "'l'!,;: r" ,t1--,. "' •. ~ • """'- __ .l. ""_ _c..;. ..... ,.1.':..;..:l- X.c c- __ #l

3. In an obliqu.e reference to the siting of the _.ev: Fo::..~c:. PJ..ant in Y!ales , I':r Callaghan said tbat he thought "th2."t he so::r .. e~ime3 gc·t too r:.ucn crea:. t for the industry. He had. not re~lis~d That _re12~Q were ~e~g the front runnerE. The Teojseach said ~h~t. on his info~a~ion, the competition ha~,

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4. Kt' Calla;::han then ennuired as to hOvT Ir:.':;h political par~ies go ~ on vii th the Unions . v;rLa t, ::or llstar:cE, \'l2.S

~b.e natu~e 0= the relations~iu between the unions and t~e Labour l-arty - or Fianna F2il. -Th e Taoiseach said th2.t in 'j 934 "the late Ix Sean Len:ass h2.d been responsi.ble for 't~:e enactment of the Conditions of :&:ployment kct, vihich was a nioneering piece of legislation on labour relations. Eec:ause of this, there had developei a great a::finity between him arlrt -:h..e Unions. Ee had, in fact, been elec-tei Chairm2.n of the International Labour Organisa"tion in a subsequent year . In fact, relations between the Farty and the Unions had always been reasonable . ;;here was son:.e further discussion at this point of relations between the Unions and the Fine Gael and Labour Parties . The Taoiseach reviewed the meeting which had taken place recently in Dublin bety;"een himseli, Government V'inisters and Unien :representa'tives to reviev; the economic situation. r\lr C?,::.::.:::: .~",:r::>r said thct ~ in his experience, a C'rovern"""e:c:t had 'to :)e c:: good 'Verms i:i th the Unions.

5. The Taoiseach s aid that in the UL there were Trade U~~ion 1 eacier "" , bU"t, in Ireland, these cigh"t not be Q..ui::e as obvic~s . T~e IC~u lac£ed Duscle. T~ere were n~y Crot:..rl" S :.or disc rpointment i·li tL "'the Trade Union leaciership . ~b.er ''' ere elso gTo.;nc.s fOT dis2.p_ ointme::t v~i tr.:. t.te large

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orga~isatio~s like C13 ~d the ES3, had a gTeat cul~iplic·ty , ,. • • 'J' - • .L . ... .j..' 1 of un:"ons - 2.:na. -crlls.~!l li:seJ...l. ..Lea. vO grave lnd."t;..s .. ·.:.J...2.

relatior:.s pro le~s . .ks .. ·:::.. .... ister for !.uc:.us.:;r ~ an:: CO=-.r:ls::::-c and. ,.,i~ .. res "'Jc .. s:'bi2..ity for l,a'tcur at one l,:..r::e, he ' ::ld asi:ec ~.o..;.S U~=-o!:s -cc '-::·:;""L.e "'tl:e:'::4 o~;-r.. le'-i.cl~:::'Ci!l 0'[1 cO!"-lI!:...i! a T)::::: oi' rE:Ci.1.!iCanc;y, ind.:; ... !: .. rial ~'e l2. tic!:s e~ c. b~-;; t_ .. E:~· ·""-"a' "'10- ~ l-r.) -! . E: ..,.,cs-nrC"": "-i-;"';"·- IY\ ~ ""' :':T·O' ":'1..'-"" "-re \·.v",_ ~ ... v "~l.\;O v •• _"- .... .. ~ _~_~ ._ .... . _ L __ 1..1._ ,,_ ~ " __

cii::i'iculties becc.."C.se, a~ ... ~a: ~:.::c, -:;:-c~s T,;crc ~HC ':rb. e UniGI: CO!:f;resses - one L~. th a :::.rge ~:~~ -::is!: bas .

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c.-'... -:;!1:-s point se.id. tha "G he -v:as t;lc:..i 'tr..c -c the C.isc ·ss.:. o:r:. ..::._6. ~.sve.lopeC:. r ir:. this -..:ay, r..a·v-..u:-<:::. 2.1 ~·~ en "~ .,. ,.·h-ie c-l rf -,..-; T.a' -ir--,-.r.~.:..~ ·~ ce -r-.c 7i"1e +.1·TO Gc·V"'-.,..""~"€""'7:"'-..:;;~'""~ - _ .-. v - - ---.1:"-- v....._.__ .,... ....,_... -· ~ ..__ --- -~""

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C:-'11 c.:::-ea ;:m~~ r-~ide:r --.:!-!:",., 1:ortte:r-~ Ire :La!:· - ¥:!'..; c:~, th' i...f.J:. :l.t was imuc:r-tr.:.Yl"t L'll i -::~eli' could not oe: consid.erec.. to -r.:Ce e:r.:clu.sic:l o::: all otb.e:::- issues. ':here •·rere, fo::: e:z:a.:n]:le, fisb.::..:.g _i::i. -;;s, c.. -..·:tclc ::-cxce o::: quest.:.o_,_1s m:: .:._~:e :- rone~--!:co:..o.::.::.c Co::::.:nuni"G ... ir:.flaticr.~.; U-'1emplc·yment etc. r.•L.~ :..·ao:_c ~e c!: said ~ha-r; !"-~e \::~s in fu.-1 G.f'"l' e.u..,e!:t ac t.o, ~!.' i!!lporta ... cs o= these issues. I~1r Cs.llaghan ·'henJI.< on to r=.c:..y that if he vrere ta2..ki.r.g to tr~e l'Tencn Prime Kin ister there would~ be the s~e range of gene!'al issues for res olutlcn a s between the twc Governmen~s .

7. tl:en vrent on to enqui re as to the Prime !·:i.nis- r ~ .,... ..i.t· - -:: e future for t),. ... e Social Ccr.~rac-+-. 2e :L_dicated 't!:..a..:.. u::- inte .... est 'T .. s not pu!'ely acc.cier::..c !"' !?C.~.'">=-+~_ .. -> r._,... r f' --• '"' -· ~"' -nl=''~ ell . +h~ TW • . ..,l,; ..:< i · ~,., - _ 'V ~ ........ I - :.I- ,. ., .., - · - ""'-- ."-'... V - ..J' - • • :t:-<~'..r.: .... :_L--, r...: --=:::·on I_e_a!.. .....o fc...r as -. ... e \ ~e::-e (.~!:.. e::-nsd, ~t~ s:ectic= ~~--£ stc !:ad indicated 'that the Gover~ent intenu.ed t:o J.ncrec..s · e!!:.:tJloynent substantie.ll:~, reduce "Ga:r.a 'tlOn a:..d p:!:"oceed on 't.!::e bc..~is of a 5~ inc:!:"ea.se in ·:age3 v·hc __ t!:.e ·.Jr s8nt cor:. -vract e:i:pired. The p:!:" esen"'c pa., :p~c::age !'.-aC. coce 1..o.ncier so:::e c:!:":.. tic:.su because some of the '[:_ion. mer..bers c:..rgued 't.b.a... the~ hac. not be en f1:ll:T coBpensa ted ::or tl:e in::rease i!l. the ccst cf li Yi!:.g during its 01:rre!!cy.

8. tr~s was 1;. poi!. t he too 1-; c-..;.ld i;rish ~o n ::act , it v'ould be the 'then:.~:: &. s pee c!: ; tich he -v~o1...l6. be givinc s:tortl;;- . v::r.at had happer:ed over tbe uas~ 1e1~ ves.:r·s 1~as u. i:>.1ev2. tatle ad. :iustment "GO t!-;,.e cu.::.n~u~.:.ir_ :; a:: oil :p:!:"i ces . 3.e v.c.s glad to s ee .. that s or:..e :rembe~s of 'the '::GC l:a--=- sc:.iG. tLe s2.I!le 't!:i r..g. It was esse::::"t:ial "GO er:r!:c:.sic:-e -chat 1-."e :r::~st n or:- l ook a..head . There wa s n o wa y of :..oc::ing back. The Br itish Governmer..t~'t ended t o enfor ce thei~ recomnencied pay licits . I n an economy c f t h e size he "cs ciealinc vri '";h , i't ~>.T£.. S inevitable tba~ some t2. dc.}er-s r:::.c:-::.t get away bu\: in any case where the Government became avrare of possible settlements over the limit, they intended t o oppose them so a s to hold to a 10% earning s limit . Jl.ack ie s baa. been one ::irm to run up against this policy . It was a comparitively small firm, but the implications of a se ~~lement t here v-Tere enormous. For example , the F..arlc:..nd. and i':"c _::f shipyar d workers were only waiting to s e e vJha.t -v;ould happen to t~e I>:ackies ' s ettlement. Ha:::-lanci and \{elf:: was hes.vily subsid.ise<i. I n ::act t h e s ub s idie s v-·ere t o s·~ ch a !" EY .... er.t t!~e-,. :.a. c. got ore ers i<:r-i c!-. s h o'C..lC:. b!=>Ve p:!:"operly :r_ave gc1 ~;.; to Jc..ns..n. ~;:e ~ri~ish Gore!'r!..!:.er.1i ve::-e net gc:.._.c, -.;o be I"-~S .. ~c. in~o ~he p osition of pa ying s ubsidies to fi r ms to e_a.ble "Gher" to give tbei:r- KorkEr s 205" pa.y i n cr eases . Firrr.s 1:-ere not go::.'!:g to have it both Ka;ys. Lr Callag-h£...'1. intenc.e:6. ·c.o pl...t; -::..:.~e poi:-.tt st::ro:: . .z:..:~ to the Lc..bo-..rr hove.::ne~"G . ':::cey :W'.,'.Et.

ei~her ba~k t~e Goverr~e~t or sac~ "Gheo, or.. tr~s pQi~~.

9 . In relatlm1 "to sor::e of 'the bigger oul. tL'1.a ticnal f::.::-!!:s ?ords ~·cr e:>:a::nle t "tl:·ere could -be cons2_C.erabl3r di::f:. cu: \.:y 1:ut the E::-itish Gc~e!'::.:::.e: . .: in-ve:::::C.ed to .r::r:.in-;;c..i:: a:::.:::-:::. ~:.nc: . They ex~sc~ed ~r.,~, ner~2 s. the cost C.i==~cu2t o= ~:~ r:€~3 vrocld. oe .,:l[..t of :;:'' 1 :J-:::.C EEC~or e=_lo~e e.s - -y;~"!OSe }:-3.Y se-ctleme .. :ts cc. e u~ for reviev· ::.:1 -vhe 1 1.n-..:.r:.:1 .

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6. It.,... c.~ -.:X:.s point s2-id t: ... a1; he vias b1f:..G. "t ... ..<T the c.J..E: l.:..s.::ioL. L:"a. ~€ve:"oped:, i:::. "tbis i:ay !:2."~-..u·cll:: c ... s..::.bjec-~ cf --i tal ':'r::;:1:~-:-tal:ce 1iO "the t1-TO Govs!'~e!l1is -rela1iic!l r";~;s -;·iLl:.. :::l'!o U~~io_s. He bad. 2.1uayc- l-r;.ovi"!1 ar:.c.. ~t.o~_~~-: -:ha-:- !' ~Et·_C!lS "0 :-i:cen t1:E: ~1.0 C01.u:..t=ie:: :-:: .. e_-::ed C'.:n. a-:- a ~uch r;:'der -;;1-;::21 Irort.::e!' • .l. Ire:'a:.:u. - v:l'-i c:, t::m .. ;;:.!,. ::!.t was. impo!' v£.Y.:.1i in. :. -:st:!l:!:' coulci not be: consic.ered. to "th8 eY-ciusion 0:: al:i.. otb.e:::- issues. There Here, :for eza.~ple, :f:"s_...i.~:g _2::":" ~s. 2. - ~cl€.' :rE:.rl{;e 0:: quest.:.ons 0 ..... ':,,::.e :-..:.ro ~ ...... _ EC0~O':::':'C Co:::r.uni"t .. T • :"-.flatiorL, 11..YJ.8mplc·yn:Emt e·c. :::'1:e :::. a 0:'" ~ :-:: c:. sc.o.id ~:r!.2." Le -':.:l s in ft...:l agrt.. er..e __ t as tD. -:;:tt; :.I!lpo:r·tc:.:....c~ 0:: these issues . 1(1' Cs.llaghan l.enJl.I on to say that if ne -t·ere ta2..ki.ng to the l'Tench Prime F:in ister t~ere would~ be ~ne S~e racge of general issues for res oluL~en a s between the two GoverrunenLS .

7 . then ''lent on "to enqui re as to the :rin0 ,.... 7'~e future for "!::.e Sl"'cj.2.1 COI:"trac·.

Ee • lldic£.:ted "~.:~" -;.AI' inte:---Est ""v'<::.e not pure1J £..cc.a.er:::"C' ...... \; ~':!.:;-T'lt:?.-.:'!: ..:.. the LT y. ~ Cl, .; -1 ,.. ~.,

r{)~!. : ......... -rr on I:!'·6_2.2l So :far c:s .re \7€:-e .~_~e~ ;...Q., ~L ~:6C"t2 ~ ~aI:~fes+o 2aG indicaLed teat the Gover~ent intended "to incre&ss 8.!:::.p:"cyoe!"!t substantiall:r

, reduce Lz'.l:a-ciol1 a_a. p!'oceec. on 1i::e b&s':'s 0:: a 55"" inc!'ease i!1 -;age3 "7hc:'l -::!:.e ~oJ= s8nt cor.. i;rc.o.ct e :pireei.. The pr esen-"v pa~ .. :p2.c:::ar-e !:ac. COrL'S '..21c.er 50= C!'i. ~icisl!l" cause SOlLe of t __ e 'C::.':"o:-! J:"!er..oe!'s C:Xgtled t!la I.t "t!ley b£.d not been fl:ll:r cOEpensa -ed ::or tbe in~rease in t .. e cc~t cf liv~g during its c~r=e .. cy.

8. r,.. Calla.~~ ...,a:'d that tr...is was a poir ... t ... e too ,·;c'C.ld l;ish 1;0 eI!...:-Lasise . 1:::1 ::act , iT v:ould be the "theI!.€ Cl. speec~ .. iT~cb. he "'·01....10. be f"iviLt: ELcrtl:;- . !r.at cad happened over t:le pas-;; iel- u·ez..:::·s \~c:.s cL ::' __ e\'"i tal.. le adjustment to tbe <;.u:~~:tu.:-:'ir:~ 0:: oil p!'ices . ~e .as glad to see that SOLe ~e~bers of ~he ':""JC 1::8..':' said tLe S2.I!.:e tci ng . 2:t was essel:"tis.l "tc er:.r1:c.sic-e t ha t v;e I!.us-t nor:- l ook a h e ad . There was n o wa y of loc~ing back . The Br itl sh Government~"t ended t o enf orce t~eir recomr:'J.e!lded pay liti ts . I n an econorc.y e f t he size he ,,~[!S dealinc vri -";h r i L w£.s inevita ble t!)2.t; some tid e.} eT'S I!J.=.t::~~ get away but in any case ~here the Government became aware of possible settlements over the limit, they intended t o oppos e them so as to hold to a 10% earnings limit. fI.ackies MQ been one ::irrn to run up against this policy. It was a comparitively small firm, but the implications of a set~leme~t there "cere enormous. For example , the P...ar land and Kcl::f sbipyar d work ers were only waiting to s e e what would happen to the I(ad::i es f settlement. Harland and \.,rol:::: was h6cvily s ubsia.isec.. I n fact, t he s ubsidie s ,,'ere to S'~ cb. aT' extent t!.!e-- LaC. g?t ore ers i-:r..:. c!:. s h ode. have p~op6rl;;.- have gGl'le to Jap2.L . _:le B!'i-iE!l Go Te!'nrert \,e:::-e net "" o:'_-G "::0 be .... _! __ .. ~­into L:e position of paying s ubsidie s to fir ms to e_2S:e "them to g~ve t~ei!' v;o!'ker s 20~ pqy i n creases . FirE~ e~e not go':"~g ~o have it both ","ays. }11r Cc.;.lla,£"b..a..Yl in ter.d .... _ . 0 p~t ..I..;l:e poir_t stro::-_b::...~,. to the Labour hovemen u . ~'hey IT.' c-"'-;

ei"t:er ba~~ the Go~ernme~t or sack 1iheD, en "tr~s poi~~.

9 . L. relat~O!1 to so 'e of "the bigcer I:}ul tina "tional i'::..:-~!" ?ords i·cr eXa:::lple ;- "tl"~ere could be cons:"derao-:,r di:::ii cu:" -C," cu.t tl ... e E~i ~~sr ... Gcv€:---~e!. ~ in-v€::c.e':; -0 J1:[!i: -ua.i.:: a ~:"r~ ::'r..~. ~he. r 6X_ IS c, se. -.:!:~ ~, perl'..s._ s. i;1:lE:: l!.ost c.i::f': ccl" 0:: ::.:_ ,..: e~s 'oclc. be "'_;'<:"L o~ ?"cl:"c 8eCi;cr e=plo -ees - ";!lOSe p~y

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10. 1'L.e Taoiseach re\.-iei-H~d "iTha-v had hF!p-::ened vthe .. -:;Lcre :tad been a -.;est c _· s-'.:rength, in the early 1 ?.70s, in tht.: El.ectrici ty Supp.ly Board., wt.ic!: had been 'USed as the .... as:..s for c:. t:!"end-settli.ug claim. by a Ux:ion based on Bir!Dir:.gha:J/ Ee:.nc!:.es-ver. Tbe ... c..sis of "the ac"tior.. the1: hac been t:o establish,:.~~ ~xner~~l~ semi~~tat~ se?~o:::-, a level oi s€ttlen.:.ent t;nJ..ch ·ouJ.a. oe app_:..ed "to c-:..1cr sec "'..-ors. -~e Go~er-~ent ~ad ~ben to resist.

11. :-..... Callc:..rt.ar... sa:..d "that v·hat they i12.ci b::;en tall:ir.c ~be~ ~ppeare ~o e~phasi&c "tbat eacr should +ake .:nto ace 1....r"'t "the e:i'i'ect of ·v}:;.nt he C.id. on the other. It i;as ,_ .. ~ d . t- . . .... . . 1' b 'l . ...... 1 lr .... 'h !!lf;.t:l_._y es_ra •.l.O "'cD.a u -vney SnQ'l;_Q e ao e ""CO ..,a..._.. uC e2.C-J. r .-l,o ..... "'"'~0.,..,'=' 1 1-- - 'oy ~.;...o.,.,e '"'"' freoue.,...,-+-1- r ~s -nPce"'sa .... y .. v.:..L"-" -· "-~ ..... "- ... <--~-~ _b...L.- •..:.. , c-..... ...... J..;.. v J C:.. ·- - .....,. - •

11he :- aoiseach 1-re:cc. ed t!:..is .!:'rcposi tion. He ss.id that the::·e vic..S some-:;L..i ...... ,; i'rhich I:r Cal:...aghan might be a·ole "to do • .As ::::ar as he Fas av·dre the 3ri tish Trade Ur..ion Eove._.er.:t Yculd be sending c:. delegate to the Le.bcv_.r Party Con.:c-~e:!:ce in Irela1. d in the •. ear futu:::-e. vl01...' . .ld it be possible :fo:r· !:r Callag!!an to e::.!si.lre c;nat i-~~oever W"2.S sen"t could be :fu.lly inf'or.::..ed on \·;hat preciselv' "the nore respons.:cle e_er:.e:::-rts in -cne ::Erit:..sh -crade l.::..:l.ion~ see c:.s r..ecessar·"' in tnc :..• . :;,~.': r.:r Ca:..lz.chan pror::.seci the fullest coopcr.o::-c:..c·~ o!: tL:?..s point . .::...nso::ar as l:e cculd ir~f.luen~e the r::2. t-u er, he KO"t;.la do so .

~l:e Taciseach then sa:..d that this brought un the question of eccr:0::ic coo})eratic~ genera:...:y . Fr ca::...Lat::han v-elcc!:.ed the ic.ea. .de s2.id tha-r it ;;as desirabJ..e 1:;oexpress .. r. e idea of' cooperation as a general principle - as behreen the t-v;o Go-ver!l!!lent s . For ex2.Iriple, there v:c:.R considerable joint interest on fishing.

The Taoiseach said that he agreed that there was a consiaerable identity of interest in this area but there vtere aJ so differe .t interests. For example, we bad an aln:.ost e:::clusively inshore fishing fleet, 1·rhose i nte::!:'est 1-ras irJ. a. 5C J:..ile liL~~... 'Ir~e ~r:..tJ..sb. had larf;e inte""'e:: .. "ts in d.is-:;a!it Ka""Ger fishing. T!'ere i·:as some discussio~ c.-v "tnis poi::::t on v.There the major Irish :'ishing regior..s Yere. The T~o:..seach indicated his ~~derst~~dine of the 3ri~if~ posi"tio::. :..n r:o·\-i::.J.g fror:. a. cla~ for e limit of up to 50 r:i.les tc o~ e for a li::lit of u-r:: -ro 12 niles 1:ith cer~-:i: prefe::-s.:. ces in the 1::aters ::rc=. 12 to 50 :::::.:..:e"'. Cr_ tL.:.s E-~-ire i~·.:;ue, the Co::-!.!:lon !·:arket sigh-c v:ell ha-,re !:!ere .::.:::~a7-h-­l;i th Oti.r 1-~si tier:, in .isola-rion. than i·r::.L;h the :ri:uisl:... r·oSi t:..on' in CO!ljunc-:.: ion ·v·i "th 01.:::'5. I•:r Cc:.l:ag:tan. ""o.:a. ..:~l1at ~!i.e bce":_s o:: tteir cl&=-r: ·f:-as :a~~el:- ..... !:~~ ::~€.: .. ·,:P::"C

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Eiectricity Su]:plr Board, whic~ had been used as the ~a8':'s for co trend- settling claim by a 'Union based on Bir.::l:'r.gha::;/ Eanc!:es-ver. Tb€; ... z.sis 0:: the ac"t':;'or.. then had been ~.;o establish,~ a ~er~ble semi-St~te sector, a level or s-ttlefuent ~hic~ vou~d be &PP:~8 to ot~,-,r sec~ors. _he Gover_~~ent ~aa t en to resist.

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accour",t "the e:f::ec"t of 'v: •• at !-.. e c.id. on the other. It ,;as highly des::'rablo -that -:hey sn01.:":'d 1e able to talk to eacb. r;-r;b.e:-' i:l.fo~2.ll:- - . y r-hone, as frequentl:y as necessa:::-y . The maoiseach welcc. ed t~::.s preposition. He sa::'d -r;hat t1::e::-e V'c..s Eome~1.:':"b l,hic~~ I:r Ca~_aghan r:light be a'ole to do. As far as he ~'<':'S a"·t.tr~ the ~r~ tish Trade Union Eove .. E:n~ ,,-cuI be send..:.:n.r;; a delegat.e to the Labo,;x Party Con=E::~ €once i. Irela.d in the _ear futu::'e. lould ~t . e possib:e for !I::r Cc..2.lat;:han to e!!su.re tnat v·~c ever was sent could be :fully in1:oI7l.ed on ";hat precisel~T the more responsi'bi.e ele, e~lts in t.he Eri t:'~h ~rad.e ~ions see 8E: r:eeeE:sar-- :'n tlle ..J . :t~.? (r Callz.gLan :pror:isei the fullest eoopcn:..t:'o~ 0_. t!:::'8 POL.'1lJ . '::""'1so'::ar as he cculd influen~e the ~2.t-.:er, be Kould do so .

~~e Taciseach then sa:'d that this brought un the question of eccnC'::2ic coo-cerat io~ genera'::'l v . Vr Ca:J..at=.:han v-elcO!:ed the ~Qea. ne said tha'V it Kas desirab~e ~0~xpre8s -':le idea of cooperation as a general princi'Dle - as behleen 'the t.'I·;,"0 Gove:-:r!Eents . For example, there '\0:2.8 eonsid era ble joint interest on fishing.

The Ta iseach said that he agreed that there ~as a considerab~e identity of interest in -:his area but there Y,Tere also different interests. For example, vle bad ar. akost e::clusivel"r inshore fishing fleet, ",hose i nterest "'[as irJ. a 5C I::.~..:..e liLi. -", • T!".:.e Er:' tlsn ..... d large intere:: s in dis-':2 -: Ka-r;er fishing . T ...... ere 'I-ras some discussion ~~ 't.r:..is poi:r:t on ,,;-nere the major Irish ::ishing regions rere . The T~oiseac~ indicated his ~'1derstandinG of the BriT.ip~ posi t:ion :'n LC;'ing fro::: a c2.c.irr: for a lir;Ji ~ 0:: up to 50 r::'les to one for a ..... iDi t of ur:; TO 12 wi.les 1.-i th ce~J~8.i: ""''''''e-='€"l''C'nne M ; • .J.he ,··.-,.J.eT's -C'~o': 1? +0 r:-O . "., ee L~'t._ ~l.'l._.o. .......... _ _ __ \,..0 ,;:, ___ J,. l,.. ... _ \0, c..... \.' _ _... _ ~ v ~ _ ...... __ v. _ _

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The Taoiseach said that the Irish Governm1 . .m-r; -v.ras par'ticularly concerned about the apnearance of a oovenent towards greater integration. ~~is ha.d corr:e abo~t through the pact or understandir.g ··i tl: the Union:...sts - to nut it blurltlv. The Sneake:::-s' Ccn::::·erence v:as othe~ evidence of~ the same 1;:y-pe cf movement- not, in itself, bu't simply becuuse of i'ts timi!:g. .All this was happening at a tille ~;hen 'the:::-e was nothing to give support to tte ide~ of :9evo2.ution. E:e would s'tro:r:.gl:- urge tna t the::-e s~ould be sc~e initiative, c~ ~Le political level,

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t:"::-e th6~e!:.2.d been ~ore sustained suppo:L.'t. io~ the concept, i"';; YCl-~a Lo.ve come off. ~>. Callc_ ... ~haL :a:"d that he too ,-as convinced th2.t "another push" could "7611 have a.c:r:.e :it. Tt;.e r:'aoisea ch said that the \;:,~rble ,,:2.S -'.:;hal:; aC1::..cr. h2.d r-et been taken in the early st~£es o~ the ~n.-ti-~ecutive Le-ve ent. ";~ei1 the fOi'-er stc:.vions bLd £a~en to the :orke~s Council, it ;~s voc .... .- ~ :f ~ --.:- ~-'" ... - r"'- + . -., 1::) ,..., "".,... e c~ ~..J..t: .:........--~~'JE' C-,- "' __ E .., .e c.:.C"lon . _.e CO ... 1 a. c:.l)pr .l..o.vv .... ~v

_ot even -!.hc =~"'i :ish 1-'::0 T could run the i.JQi··cr .... -jat i.. ......... s i!. ·v:J.e l,orth l:i thout coo!..cra tlon . In the a::'ter r·,[. th of a:"'l t~is , pCier-s}~ri~r hed become a d:"rty word. ~l e :"·:..ior:is-.;s s2.id. tr);i t they '\;ou~d have DevoJ.vea. Governmer-7 for.!. tLb basis of \;11e Co!:ve!'lt:'on Report, or ~uL~_~6. 5e a_prec~a~ed, in these circ'~s~ancBs ~L!::.a\; Direct P.ule 'c..E the only snor\;-terw [.,ltcrnE:.~ive -cu~ in the lon£e~ te~~, this Lust could not re~~~l ~£ an o}.'-.;icn. \:l:2.t vas happenin ..... nm<T was that ':-!-.ere yc.:: a consider~ble debree of fr"..lstrG..t io~ bui2.d.;.r!o u; aEong t e =~:ori~y cut co~e Terticul~rly ~ c~g the z:::::':ori':"-~ g~c:.:;:"::e:s. T~e ~:J:::'P ~ad given u:p:r'ecs:" ::. , Or -..,e· ",l'f' 0':- ~c:.r~- o~ k~l'S ""';norl'+,· J:"":""o"""l'n '" .:.." .:.~.,.,.l.

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:rv.2-.;rc.'ticn. It ,-as iw.'ocrtar..-:; to r:..ai..~(;[;. ir. -.;he!:l in ezis-.;ence. !':::" Call~c1:~'1 said that he fnlly a?~ ~ecieted ':"1:::'8. ':na-.; was '·~hy he 1:2.0 2.skec. Ge:::,r~ F:.tt (;0 come ir:. to see him some days before t:te present meetir..g. He had not seen Union:"f;t represer...'ta't:"ves"

The Taoiseach said that the Irish Governru.\.mt "[as par~icularly concerned about the appearance of a ooveoent towards greater integration. ~bis had come abc~t through the pact or understandinc i-~i th the Unionists - to put it b1~tlv. The Speakers' Con: erence was oU ... er evidence of< the same ~:y·pe of' II!ove!!lent - not, in itself, bu't simply bec.:<..:.use of i 1: s t imi!:g • All this was happening at a tine ,·hen 'there ","as nothing to give support to tLe idea 0:: ~evo~ution. ~e ","ould s~ro~gl~ urge that the~e should be EO e init:"ati\e, O~ tl e politic&l level,

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c:.:.1C:. ce c.ssure ci of t h e ccr..t: i.n:::a.."lce of tl-:::.e ::::ri '"::i sh s:.1. pp o:r-'t. T' e Irish Go-v err.::- ent accepted t Le de facto :rcsi -tic:r.. o:: Yort· .ern Irelancl, at presen"t. ~~ .x Rees's tioe t h ere ~~6 leen a 6efinite cirift a'v~a:l ::frc:::1 ~he co::ce:;:; t. o:' p 01· er-sli.arir.g. I"ti v:2.s esse.::.tial t~:... - 'th e 3r _;_ -c isl'l Gov ern r-ent s ~m~.ld convinue 'to ~uppor 't t~~s concept. ~Le only ossibi~i-~--- J.cr s-ra ole Go er n:!:e!'.t i~ the rort~ i:<....r­

t::a.-:.; all e le.::.s-nts - r:a2cri t·· and r:...~nc:::-:.. t . · ""Lould. 1e re;resented .

e:... .:!.e::- bilat.~:-ally or L1 all :::::::c contc::t . :::::· •. e De!'=~/TJo .• ego.-:_ tudy n~.s a. f:OOd exan:.ple o: the d.::.rection such c ooperation cm.~J..C. t2.kc . The i··a;y ::o~~~·rard seer:!ed t o l i e in mo1.·e~e.:..t b · b et:~ Gover~e~ts to;;-ether in :fu L.. ccr.:.s"tAltatio;: 1·:-i th -i-.e "" Ol;t.: c~l -par"t-ies .;~ + 11o_· ,-cr..!.. h l·.L' t "'o ~ r 1•i "''" ·Q VL .:.. .!" - ........ '--- - - ...:.....!.- V.I. c.; - Ll ... _, ~ ·.L..;.t;;; J ',_ ....... .... ~ ...

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rc:r Callag!:211 then incii ca ted that i 't -vms r. ')K 12 no en a::C:. e:nq_1...irec. as to .:~~e ':::ao:.seac!::' s viev; s on the wr: ·.I : n ,,·~..icb. .:he mee~ir-€ Lli{'".:.i: r-ro ceeC.. 1~ k

tl:is pcint cer'tain mat"Ce:::-s "ir.. relation to l::r Eason's visit to the U. S . A. were mentioned by the J:aciseach to I>:= Ca2.laghan - in narticula:.r- the need not to activate sympathy vlith tl1e IRA by indiscreet references. The ~aoiseach underlined ~he ~or~ rl:ich }'l..a.C. gone into vr!e prociuctior~ of the recent C~ter s~atement - a~d also the sort of liaison v.-~c:l :tad been establishec v:-:.. th -che :fovr major Irish/P~erican pcliticie..ns en the subjec .. J. !(.,.. C::> "'l a.c:!:21 ,

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~hE-=f· co'.1.l - td".c c~y :;-:c...::.d vl"e:" 2...i..z:":.e:d, (n ~-: r .i.s " 21~ ce ~ss~eu of -vhe cc~~~~~~ce o~ the 3ri-:~s~ s-..'"Op0::'!;. '2" e 2::rish Gcvern="S!lt accepted -cLe de facto posi ~ior... of Yor-v-.er~ Ireland, at presen-=t: ~~ _~ Rees's ~iDe there ~~6 teen a definite urift 2.'I';ajT from ~ __ e cc!.ce::;:~u 0=' pO'l-ier -~harir.g. I't -1';2..3

esse~tial -:;!!2.T. the 3r.:..'ti.. .. h Governrcent s!1m;,ld c n-vinue -';0 c-upporl; -rrd.s concep-~. T' e only

.csibi.!i -1-:- :.cr s-rable Go e!'!1.l!.ent in ~l:e ."ort~ i'<:~ l,_.!:!' v all ele::.en~~~ - =3. -ori (;~- and !!.:"r.cr:' t: sLou_d 1C =c~rescn~ed.

'!." e ~l&C: ",each \iis'.ed 'to ctress the io'Cori..s.nce :: eco!locic co €:ra'tio!::!.':"_ rC' ::"2::io~1 l 0 -:l1e :"'order

ei ""C._e:::- bilat:ieT2.11y or in an =~C conte;:t. T1:e De:!:' y/Dc_~egnl tudy "iTaS a £;ood ex;;:. pIe 0= the direc-vion s· ch coo1erat":on co~_ ~ t;ake. The -vay ::c~\'lard seeEed to lie in rr:.OI.te::. -- __ "", b r Ort •. Gove:::-~e!l"!;s together :'n :t'ull cor.sultc: .. "-io .. Ki tr! ';';""e "'°1 ;"-;0,...1 par;-_lP_'::: .;~ +le. .. ·CI1 .;. .... ;f t"-e- r ,";c:-i-. u-""~!. .!:" ___ '--- _ v _ -1..:.._..... _. v_ ... , _ ~ j .,_a..,... ...... \. ...

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tt.is point cer'tain mat""C€:::-s "in relation to Lr Eason's visi~ to the u . S. A. were mentioned by the Taciseach to 11::;:- Callaghan - in par:ioula:r- the neeci not to activate syopathy 'v;ith the lEA by indiscreet re=e~enoes. The ~ao;seach underlined tt-e ~ork -~ch ~~d £o!le into ",he productioL of the rece!l~ C~rter s-:;atement - ~d also -rhe sort of liaison 'K!:.iC.:1 had bee!l establishec K:"""Ch -che :four m8.j or Irisb./P..zerican politicians cn tr ... e subjec".J. I\~r C2~1cu:::b.c .. !l,

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-.;he _::-:::-:: ..:.s:!:: ::__1 de~.li._g ui th -r ... e ques tio. o:: the lo .... ~ <.er::1 a c. '"'ir·-. 't:.o s o:' -t!:e 1::::-.:' s· ~eo · } e. Ee ..,-ould l:;.ke 1:2· Cal:::.c.r!-2-n to c_....EiC.e:::- r.~.o\- ~-: ~ -::.E ~ so::::e--c!:iY:t:; s.t.ou~C. be L.c:.1..4.:led in -:!:e Co::::-.u.Tliqut.. :.recogr::i s ing the :::.ee;i ti=~ ·~,.e as;.irc:::io~ o:: -:he Ir:..sh reo.~: le - or expressirlg t e Go~er~e~t's ..:.nterest in it as a legiti~~te step. Th .;s , , _., ,rl be a --~ .... ;-:l.·cul~r1 ~ V::>l, ~'o l~"' ,..,. T ; ....... _.j,:;,.,h J.o

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~·his EO!'t o::· -nc:...2.c was not one -y·t.ich the lrish Gov:::o,...::.-:e:..t 01, l e "'n ~.::..- -.,~lrl v-i .:.u ,_ . .; +-;,t ec··:::-,...;""'"'l.·.L.--r ,.., -~~ ,...~ ·~ •• -~ --'-'. _.._....._ --n ..-._v.... ,...._ _ _ ....._____. v ... • __ ... -~-~v!

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i::..5~::.. tc...b_y :f'o:::-c..e '-'oth the Gov-e:-nment c:.n::l the -L1c:::-i t~ ~rourJir..£ to TL7.rds ': :1c::--e 2- ~essi.--;re stc.nce :_n r ele..t_:_on t"\ 1 c!'~:-c!'_ -!'elc.~ C:.~ I1; -v;a::; e~'..!::ll:.- i!n.,ortc-_nt not to }r:;t t:b..e

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c_l2.c:.':)sE.-: . "t.:J.-::·e ;.<c.Ul.d. be no 2..!..tern.:..~,J..v-e .!. Or 'tne ::::1.1-.:.or:::.:ty W" - · ~ -.:.. ~r.e ~-:.1 '~'he -rr ec:-e")t .,...,.. ,")..., e"' c. ... e ·"' .J. ~- ... ,c.,._a.,...-1:r E 0 ... 0 ~ • .1. ..!...1.. • • - !·' ~ .... "~. <:J U..., _ ... • i ~· .._ n G u ~ " t -:· "' - -

-c· e:;.cme_,_o_., lh..:..c~ uo ... :ld eo a ·CJy, t:hrou_u. the appllc:::-::..c:::. o:.: ~hor .... -t :r.c -rolic:.es ~ A2.l c. e he: d. to do 1-:as to _ooY" c. t "t:...e h:.stor:r o-f -.;ne posi t:.or. [::.r..ce, say, -.;!'e 1800s. ~l:.ter e he.d beer. viole_.c.o -- .. 1J..st;er :. .... :._cs~ verc-r decade s:-.r:ce i;.he:·.. :2::.i.s -v;ras a rci2:--;; 1-:~:ici tLe ~acisecch ;· ::" she:l -:o "'~::::-es s :-a:-::ic~.:l::._:..:- in rel:::.-:::."::1 to Bri~is.!_ J: l:.c.:,r c:-1 l~o:::--..:_"-'~~n =~E-a!l.C..

! ~:::- c~.J.:::.c:..--:ha!: said he 2:;-'}"'!'ECiZ.. ted "the 'DOf'i ~:.on. Ee sz.:.:.. ~! !:.e '1'-:-.....:.. r ..!..i.t:e ir. -r;:.e plenar ... - session v."!:.ic~ 1.·as d.ue to ; .. to:.:-t sLc:::--t:.Tr to d:.scu.ss a.:::.so the E:::-i i:ist. pos:. t::..on 0:1 ..:-::.. ':: c.r:.C.

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nrese:::-."';; Y~~ ,;l:r.t -r;tere ~~as £"ree:"t f!'us-trctio:. :-.::1r'":~ -::.e :Po ... i ~::..:::.;.:...::s :.r .. Nor-v:1ern Ireland. There v:a.s not a'ny-­sin~~ar sense of frustration among the people the!'e. Th c-.;.L..;O...., _._,..,_ -,.:~ec.L. n,Q,P ,-~~ ""'0+ co-.;r - -" .... -·- 4-l- 6 ec .,....ie .~.e op.! o ..!.'-' ..... _.._ <L .-.~_... ., ~ -- ·c..- ... _ .., --r.:.:. ..:_u ........... - .!. ~-

but ~::::-oc the uoliticians. ~he neonle see less ~o:..e~ce c.nd see S o::::e SO!'t- o:: ret~rn to norr'l_E_2.i t r 2.."1d they lil:ed this. Bu1; t!1e ou-;:;- o:f _,,Tcrk poli tici::..ns a it. ~-ot The!'e wc:s !lc--:; a sc:.n~illa o= ~ove~en1; towarcs integration. The Tao::.seach could ·o e ::u11~- aEsu:::-ed. on -:his cir:-;::.

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0:: -.... !':.::. --:-.er 1,-=: rf..::ere-,-_" e sllou2.d be i~cluced. i._ the ::':'r_~l Co~tl!'l::"a"Ue to ~.1:e C""rter state:L!ent vies discw3sed. T:18 T2.C':'~ef'c.1 saie t'l:2~ :t.e a;'!.'rec':'sted -the c.ifficuJ..t c:: ~t .~.: .: c:h -1: 11 ri.Q'" -;; r . "'; =- '" - ...... e c"pstl' on 0.0 tv- a. ~ 0"")-_ ~_~ ... e 1:. __ . ~ _ .... -'. __ .... -~ ...... --_:> 1._ v. •• • ..... - ...L. - ~ J.o.c: __ a~Tir~-::'o s of' "t:te- l::-i.sn .eo.,::e. ne 'ould l:ire !:r Cc...;._c.f, •• an to cCnEic:.c:' now -:,-: -:-;-::.e:-:- ~o~e"t __ i!1t: z.:lould - e inclt:..:..ed i.n t!le 00!:::::::U!1..iqUt;; !'ecogr..i.si!'l..g the :e[":' -ti::.:.·~e aspir&~io!!S 0:: -: ... e Ir:"sh peo.,t-':e - or eX'pressing tte Go~er~2entts i.n~e!'est in it as a legitim2te step. This wculd be a ""a:::'"ticulerl ~ valuz.ble VB i.!: ,·-b.:.ch to cc;unterect -t~e :fea~s 0:: "the ~ cinori ty t.b~ t British policy W2S nOl·· =.ov":'n l;OV-2r-ds in:;e",-!'2.tlcn 1'1. a ""-"e"'~'" "'"'e2,.' l:<..V This sort 0':: po.:...i... was not one y.-' "":"ch the Iri~h GO"-ier:":e::t Cl' ~h "'n .... ..::..,..- .... -'.11 V-it=>, ,.--i+-:-, ec"~""i-:':..I..-- 1- _~~,",J_ ..;.;:-.... _" __ olJiI.. "" _ _ - ,..._v__ t .... ~_""'"---....t.. "... _'* __ -:.... 4".; lIoo': _ • .J.. ·c ~ ~- ~r€ r .... y ~ ,",1"-'- of' f'c-.,." 1 e--~~o ~ C' -' n .:.l.. .,... . 1~ _u , ..... "- ~ 0 ....... 11 -. ,--,"- ;,...; ... ~- U ..... - - .......... .;:;.._ __-. -",.....,_0 .. __ '" _ v_ .....

iLt::~~-i .ably :force ..,C)1;h tbe Go;re:-r.mer:t and. tr..e ci . .:.c!'it7 --.!'ou-)ir:'-- to","'.:" S -:. :::Jc:::'e cir-:::-e"S::V'9 s-t&nce in r e12t::'o!l ': .. 0 For-v:e.!'D. ::;:::-91.;;.;'::'. It: -v;as ec:~ll,- i.r::.por-tE:.nt nc ..... to :e;t he

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cOl2.&.'JSE.:. t!l€_ e "v,rcLld be no z..2 ter-n2.tive for "the I:linori ty 6,..J­t r ' go· to the IPJ.. ~. e preser:t roubles 1l~re net a tt;: .. c.!'a!,,-r

P:l~!1c::J.e __ o::, v-b.:_c~ i,ol:.ld go B.wny, througJ...:. the ap~lic~ -::",T_ 0": ~ho:::'--t€:::.':C o..Lic:"es~ All o. e h2d to do \\'as ~"o ~c ... y <:.t "t' e h:'story of' ~he posi. t:'c·n 5:'nce, say, "t!1e 1800s. ~he~ e had' ee r violencA ~L ~~s~€r :._ ~:mos+ e ery decade 8~~ce -,;he:.. ?!::.is ,,;-25 a. reinu d:ic·. tl.e ':'aoise _ch 'y': E~8::: ::0

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I·~r Ca} 2..2..:""l:.a.1:. said he arrreciated "the pOFi tion. Ee sz:'::' :!: ~ like iI! -the plenary session rr-.....ich 'I.-as due to ['"t>:-t

SLO~~~ to discUBS a~so t~e E:::,ivis~ pos~t~on on Z:T ~nd 0:2 e!ll::"re;ement. He thout;ht that vrhat V;5.S ha'J}'e:J.:'n.::. c:.t precer · .... "~S ",;"a+ "''''ArA "'''''S .... .,..e~+ .., ..... us.l.~ t-i 0" ~,",,""1"~ -'-l e _ .... _. v )' ~ v.&.- ~ '" 1I........... _ ,~ e. - c v J.. _ v..!.. C. ...... .. .- --.\. ~ :..:.:-

po2..i Tic2.........-::2s i.n No:::'t~ern Ireland. There v·6.S not an:y s~~la.r sense o~ ~rustration among the people there. The op_ osi tio~ to :J:"rec: Ru2..e ,·"as not co::'~:lc ::::'0:1 tr6 ~ eCp:e but ~:::,ow the pol..:.ticians. The people see less ~o:e~ce G-~d see so~e sort·o~ ret~rn to noroalit r ~~d they liked this. But tbe cut- o:f -work poli ticic...ns die. _.ot There ·".ras !'2..0.J.:; a scin~i~la. o~ movereen"t towarQs integration. T~e Taoi2e~ch could be ~ull~ assu::-ed on ~his pcin~.

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oy.yers v·t.ich -v:ere at nresent discharged t~T certaJ.n Exec-..;.ti ve boards lj ire-, for exar:ple , the Eos_?i ta2 :!:cc...: d.s.

He was fully agreeable to a move towards cooperation on cross-border pro· ects. The- \·:ould be vlilli::l..:_: to lco1

- ~ "t it, through a- group of senior officials, or in a!'ly o~b.·:.r way as necessary. It was, however, important to get "the stud~ ir:"to a broader context. The group should. neet ~o discuss economic cooperation, projects ~d studi~s. especially in reference to cross-border arec:~. T~e Prime ~·~inister s aid t!lat he noted the Ta.oisee ch' s cint in :-e:.a .. :.en -r;c !..:::- 1-l£ sc:::. . Or.. 7he Cc..rter In:. tit ~:. \e, h' .--that t!leir line was the: t thev G.id not y,-~nt to Y."&i t ;:'c::- 2.:!:"'!.

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diSCUSS economic cooperation, projects and studi~s, especiRlly in refe:::-ence to c:r-oss-border aY'ec:.<::. T1..e Prime I(inis"ter s eid that he no~eo. the Taoise8ch's e':"I1t in ~ c, r .! on ..,.c l..,... 1"~~ c::o~ 0 Lnp rr~ .,....ter Tn': +" ...,--= - , (" _~ __ G."'_ u __ ~~ ....... ~ __ O.J'-'''' _ _ OJ _ _ "",_,e, _ c

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A separate note is attached on the Plenary Session.

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J j September 1977 .

LCopy to Tanaiste, Minister for Industry and Commerce, 1 inister for Foreign Affairs and Minister for Economic Planning and Development: also to Irish Ambassador in London7

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A sep e note is attached on the Plenary Session.

.1 i September 1977 .

Lf:opy to Tanaiste, Minister for Industry and Commerce, r inister for Foreign Affairs and rtinister for Economic Planning and Development: also to Irish Ambassador in London?