[Personal Process] 02 – Interview with Scott on his Growth & Development, Part 1

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Personal Process

An Interview with Scott on His Growth & Development - 1

In the previous article on Patriotism and the Prophetic I talked about sharing some of the personal processes involved in my growth anddevelopment after my fathers death.

My long-time friend and close colleague Steve Schultz, who has writtenarticles for SWM before, joined me on a trip a few days after that articleand we sat down and talked about some of those issues. What follows in thenext few articles is that interview.

Steve: First, thanks for the article on Patriotism and the Prophetic and forsharing the story about your father. Ive known you for a long time but Ilearned a few new things when I read it.

Scott: When did we meet Steve, back in 1984 or something? Weve knowneach other for a few years for sure. You and I are old friends and Im notsure if the greater emphasis should be on old or friends (laughter).

Steve: You mentioned in that article that you might share some of the thingsyou have dealt with as a result of what you experienced in life, particularlythe impact of losing your father at an early age. So lets start with that. Whatis the biggest thing you had to deal with?

Scott: It has to be the whole issue of identity. Identity is core and a lot ofthings come out of it, and if we dont know who we are everything in ourlife suffers. Fathers are supposed to be the ones who lead us into a correctidentity in terms of knowing God, knowing why we were put here on theearth and building a strong family culture that produces clear boundariesand definitions that provide identity for children. I have found that manywho grew up with a father in their home also didnt have it they werefatherless even though they didnt lose their dad.

Steve: Thats very true. So can you describe how a lack of identity impactedyou?

Scott: It was so pervasive, its hard to know where to start but I suppose ithas to be my own standing before the Lord. Its not that I didnt know that Iwas saved because I did know that, but I didnt have a strong certainty ofmy standing before the Lord. I wasnt bold in my relationship with him,always feeling like there was something lacking in my life. That manifestednot only in me personally, but also in terms of being a husband and a father.Men are supposed to know what to do, but when we dont we kind of fakeit till we make it (by the way I hate that phrase because it describes a lackof being authentic). So men dont know, but they are supposed to know, sothey dont ask. Or they dont even know what to ask. They end up goingthrough life being deficient, feeling like they dont fully measure up andbeing unable to really rise up and govern from a place of correct identity. I

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think that is a very pervasive thing in the earth today and as I said it is not

just for those who had no father. There is a plague of fatherlessness. It evenaffected me in the prophetic.

Steve: How so?

Scott: The best way to explain that is to share an experience I had manyyears ago in a particular church. I used to go to this church pretty regularlyto preach, minister and prophesy to the people I think I went there everyyear for 5 or 6 years. The pastor was a very decent guy but I noticed thatthe worship in the church was very stagnant. People didnt enter in verywell. The worship service itself was more formal and religious than Ithought it should be. And the guy who led the worshipI dont want to beunkind but he really was not placed correctly he couldnt sing worth alick and besides not being able to carry a note he had an operatic style. Soif you can imagine a guy who cant carry a tune, trying to sing worshipsongs in some kind of high operatic style, and the church kind of enduringit, thats what I experienced year after year. And for the life of me Icouldnt figure out why the pastor didnt change it. The pastor was a guywho was older than me, I was in my early 30s and he was probably late50s, old enough to be my father as a matter of fact. So you can see where Iam going with this story.

Steve: I think I can see clearly what you mean, but please continue.

Scott: On one visit I was going to minister for 2-3 days beginning Sunday

morning, and on Saturday I was praying and writing down things that I feltGod wanted to say to the church corporately. This wasnt a personal prophetic word. It was the speaking of God for the entire church and Ithink I had 4-5 points listed when God began to speak to me about theworship. I really felt strongly that I was supposed to adjust the worship andchange the order of leadership, so I prayed strongly into that and preparedto speak to them the next morning. One of my biggest concerns was howthe pastor was going to respond to what I said. I assumed that he liked theworship the way it was and he wouldnt like the word that I had to changeit. So I struggled with that in my own mind and heart as I prepared forSunday, but I determined to say what I believed God had spoken to me.


Men are supposed toknow what to do, butwhen we dont we kind offake it till we makeit (by the way I hate thatp h r a s e b e c au s e i t describes a lack of beingauthentic). So men dontknow but they are

supposed to know, sothey dont ask. Or theydont even know what toask. They end up goingt h r o u gh l i f e b e i n g deficient, feeling like theydont fully measure upand being unable toreally rise up and govern

from a place of correctidentity. I think that is avery pervasive thing inthe earth today and as Isaid it is not just for thosewho had no father. Therei s a p l a g u e o f fatherlessness.


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Steve: So identity, or a lack of it, became an issue in declaring the word of the Lord for you?

Scott: Definitely!

Steve: Dont leave us in suspense, what happened in the church when you dealt with the issue of worship?

Scott: Well I did my best in relaying what the Lord showed me. I said pretty plainly that God wanted the worshipculture in the church to change, and that the time for the existing worship leader and team was over it was timefor a new thing. I said that I saw a worship team made up of some younger people and I saw this church reallycoming into powerful and expressive worship in a way they never had before. I have to confess that standing infront of the church and looking at the pastor as well as looking at the worship leader as I talked was an interestingexperience, and I didnt know what to expect when I finished. I finished giving the prophetic word, prayed andsaid amen, then went to sit on the front row by the pastor who proceeded to give me a huge hug. The guy almostkissed me as he told me he had been waiting for that word for 5 years!

Steve: Not what you expected?

Scott: Not at all! As I said, my view was if the guy didnt like the worship than why didnt he change it, but hisstory was very revealing. He took over the church after the former pastor failed. The guy who led worship (badly)

was a holdover from the previous pastor and he had lots of influence in the church. He was one of the leaders,and the pastor didnt want to destabilize the church too much by removing him. The existing pastor had consultedwith his oversight and they had advised him to take his time and let the people really embrace his leadershipbefore making a decision about this other leader the pastor was really aware and trying to work through thissituation in his church. So when I came along and said God wanted to change the worship it was a strongvalidation from the Lord not only for the pastor but for all the people that God Himself was behind this change,and it was now time to enact the decision.

The pastor told me all this over lunch. He also said he had a young worship team that had been worshippingtogether and practicing in the back room for the last year, and that very afternoon he was going to call the badworship leader and relieve him of his responsibilities and activate the younger team that was ready. I rememberthinking dont be too rash but the guy was convinced, he was ready and he had been ready for 5 years. That newworship team was so graced by the Lord and their hearts longed to worship effectively first themselves I think

the year in the back room was very good for them in that regard. They learned how to journey towards God inworship, not just sing good songs, and when they began leading in the church they led the people towards God. Ivisited the church several more times and rejoiced with them as they became a very genuine worshipping church.

Steve: Wow, and you were debating about whether to give the word because of fear of the pastors reaction.

Scott: Basically that was it. That experience taught me so many things. First and foremost it taught me not to beafraid of men. That was an overarching lesson God was working into my life at that point and it went way beyondgiving a word to that church. It sounds so basic but the fear of man is the big lesson God was working into my lifeand He wanted me to be free from the fear of man, and that is an identity issue. I learned that when I shook myselffree from the fear of man I also had access to new levels of understanding of Gods heart and His love for the



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people, and that even if I said hard things it was always from a correctposture of love and care. The fear of man is idolatry that lifts itself up inour own mind and heart, and it effectively prohibits us from receiving awhole bunch of stuff from God. The fear of man is a heart that is set on thewrong thing. That is why the Scriptures state that the fear of man brings asnare, but whoever trusts in the Lord shall be safe (Pr 29:25 NKJV).

Steve: That alone is a powerful lesson, but you said you learned manythings. What else did you learn from the experience?

Scott: I also learned that God has designed the Kingdom to becollaborative. That He never intended that pastor to build his congregationall by himself. I came in and was able to strengthen him and help theirchurch in their building process by delivering the mind of God andaffirming divine direction it really helped stabilize and direct that churchand it confirmed the leadership of the pastor in the eyes of the people. And you cannot collaborate if you lackcorrect identity proximity without personal health and maturity results in competition, fear, intimidation,posturingall sorts of nasty stuff that is not conducive to relationship.

Way back when I first started to travel to churches, I prayed that God would send me to places where I could build

relationship with the pastor for divine purpose; it was deeply in my heart and it was something I really desired. Itwas never my desire to have a big ministry or a powerful gift I never prayed for those things. I wanted correctfriendships that God could use to leverage His purposes into the earth.Coming into correct identity was an essential implication to that process. Itwould have been schizophrenic for me to desire and pray for buildingrelationships, and then not do the hard work and personal process ofcoming to personal wholeness and correct identity.

Steve: You and I have talked about the issue of collaboration a lot over theyears, and how prophets are called to stand by leaders and help them build(Ezra 6:14). I know you have that desire in your heart isnt that why youstarted the Nehemiah Project?

Scott: There are few things I love more than coming into churches andhelping them build. I think its important to have relationship with leadersand also to have a common series of understanding between prophets andpastors that will provide a good foundation on which to help them build; itremoves unnecessary tension and diminishes misunderstanding when all ofthe stakeholders are aware of the context and commit themselves tobuilding together. That is really the heart of theNehemiah Project.

to be continued...


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