THE IMPULSE GENERATOR Dr. Evgeny Podkletnov on the Impulse Gravity-Generator

By Tim Ventura & Dr. Evgeny Podkletnov, April 10th, 2006 In 2001, Dr. Evgeny Podkletnov began publishing a series of scientific papers detailing the experimental resultsofwhathecalledanimpulsegravitygenerator.Thedevicereportedlyproducedhundredsof poundsofgravitationalforceinanon-divergingbeam,capableofpunchingholesthroughconcrete andwarpingmetallikehittingitwithasledgehammer.Podkletnovfurtheraddedthatthisbeam produced no recoil on the superconducting emitter itself, and that a radiation had been produced behind the device creating a molecular juxtaposition between plastics, metals, and living tissues similar to that describedintheHutchisonEffect.Thisdocumentistheresultof3interviewsbetween2004and2006 that attempt to document and further clarify his remarkable experimental claims

AAG: Thanks again for taking the time to speak with us about your research; its truly been pioneeringinthefieldofsuperconductiveantigravity.AlotofthepapersthatIreadonline and a lot of the references date directly back to your research from the early 1990s, and more recentlyyourexperimentswithDr.GiovanniModanese.Isthereanythingthatyoucantellus about what youve been up to lately? Dr. Evgeny Podkletnov: Specialist in Type-II superconductive gravitomagnetic systems. Podkletnov: My research is based on the idea that it is possible to change or to modify thelocalgravitationalfield,andtoconsequently changethegravitationalpropertiesofobjects withinthatfieldtomakethemlighterorheavier. Thisallcanbedonebycreatingspecialconditions inwhatmightbedescribedasthepolarizationof theubiquitousvacuum,orbymodifyingthe curvatureofEinsteinsspace-time.Thereare several ways to do this we can use high-voltages, largemagneticfields,andextremelyhigh-speed rotationofvariousobjects.Wecanalsotake advantage of topological effects in superconductive materials.Altogether,thereareanumberof possibilities,includingpotentialcombinationsof some or all the parameters that Ive just described. HFGW: A High Frequency Gravitational Wave model. Mylatestexperimentisadevicecalledthegravityimpulsegenerator,whichutilizesaMarx-Generatordischargethroughasuperconductingemitterinahigh-magneticfieldtocreatea waveintime-spacewithpropertiesveryclosetogravity-waves.Thesimilaritiesareapparent enoughwerealmostpositivethatitactuallyisaformofgravity.Theseimpulsescanbe directionallyprojectedinanydirectioninspace,andtheyexerta forceonanyobjectinthepathofpropagation.Wehaventquite uncoveredadetailedmechanismtoexplainhowthisforceis generated, but we nonetheless have the technological possibility for industrialandcommercialapplicationsoftheseresults,andthisis the most important. AAG:Youdmentionedthatthiseffectgeneratedhundredsof poundsofforceinaveryshortperiodoftime,andIdwonderedif American Antigravity.ComPage 1 of 13 this effect has been able to punch holes through lightweight substances, or does it produce more of just a motion on them? Marx Generator: An example 2 megavolt model constructed by Information Unlimited. Podkletnov:Theforceoftheimpulsedependsentirelyonthestructureofthe superconductingemitterandthevoltagethatweapplytoit.Giventhematerials&voltageswe currently have available, we can obtain large impulses capable of deforming metal plates with a thickness of a couple of inches, and weve also been abletodemonstratepunchingholesinthick concretewalls.Obviouslytheseeffectsarenot limitedtojustlightweightsubstancesaconcrete wallissomethingverysolid.Theimpulsedeforms metal in the way that a hydraulic press might do it, butthepulse-durationisveryshortintime,so wevebeendiscussingasystemutilizingseveral Marx-Generatorstogiveaseriesofimpulsesthat willdefinitelyimprovetheoveralleffect.Weve experimentedwithusingtheimpulse-generatorto treatavarietyofmaterials,andwevealsomade anotherimportantfind:thebeamcanhitatarget oververylargedistanceswithaminimumof divergenceandwhatappearstobezerolossin energy,evenafterpassingthroughotherobjectsin the beam-path. By using extreme parameters we can create an even largerimpulseforces.Wediscoveredinthelast yearandahalfthatifwegoto5-millionvoltswe cangeneratehundredsofpoundsofforce.Atthat time,wewerealsotryingtomeasurethespeedof propagationfortheseimpulses.Theresultswere extremelyinteresting,andhardforevenusto believe, because to some extent it contradicts many aspectsofmodernphysics.Nonetheless,wehave experimentalproof,andweregoingtocontinue developing all of these experiments. AAG:Oh,sotheseareallgeneratedbyMarx-Generator discharges? Podkletnov:Itispossibletousehigh-voltagedischargesupto5millionvoltsand specially prepared superconductors. These impulses are very short in time, were talking about 1 millionthofasecondandshorter,andtheycanbeverypowerful,andcanbeusedforrocket propulsion in space. At the same time, they can be used for the correction of satellite orbits from the earth with minimum expense, making this a very promising technology. AAG:Intermsofputtingholesthroughconcrete,itmakessensethattheholeswould remain, but with metals, after the metal is deformed, do they snap back after the beam is gone, or do they remain deformed? Podkletnov: No, theyjustremain deformed. Itsjust like a punch very short in time, so its close to an explosive action or something like that. American Antigravity.ComPage 2 of 13 AAG:OneofthethingsthatIwaswonderingaboutiswhetheryouvebeenabletodo efficiency calculations for the force-beam. Podkletnov: Well,Dr.GiovanniModanesemadesomepreliminarymeasurementsthat gave us the force in joules, but we did not try to make predictions we wanted to simply see the resultsofhowdifferentobjectsreactedtotheactionofthisimpulse,sowedidntmakeany precise calculations. AAG: The type-II YBCO emitter measured 47mm in diameter, if I remember correctly. Does changingthesizeortheshapechangethebeamoutputmaybemakingitstrongeror refocusing it? Emitter Configuration: Schematic of two superconducting emitter apparatus designs. Podkletnov:Well,intermsofthesizeof thesuperconductingemitter,therearesome limitations.Thediameterofthesuperconductor shouldntbesmallerthan4inches,becauseofthe Schwartzchildradius.Nowtoansweryour question,intermsoftheshapeoftheemitter,the superconductorcaninfacthavedifferentshapes, andtheprojectedimpulsewillmaintainthe emitters cross-sectional shape, so is important. AAG:The4-inchminimumsizeforthe superconductor seems to limit the publics ability to performexperimentalreplications.Thelargest commercial available superconductor that Ive seen isa1superconductorsoitsoundslikethe emitters require custom fabrication? Podkletnov: Well the size is very important wedidntgetanygoodresultswithsmaller superconductors,anditsalsomoredifficultto createthecorrectflat-glowdischargewithsmaller superconductors. AAG:Haveyounoticedanychangesinthe molecularstructure,internalmaterials deformation,ormaybesimplemechanical compression in the targets that youd sent the beam through?Youdmentionedmetalsdeformingand holes through concrete Podkletnov:Wedidntseeany compression effects or any change of the molecular structurejustalargescaledeformationofthe target material from the beams force. AAG:Ishouldaskwhetherthebeamloses energyasitpenetratesmaterials.Doesitnaturally decrease or diverge with distance? American Antigravity.ComPage 3 of 13 Podkletnov:Thatsaninterestingquestionandtoourgreatsurprisethebeam practically does not lose energy when it meets the materials. It can pass through a brick wall or concrete,ormetal-platesverythickonesorplasticsalso,anditseemsthatitdoesntlose energyatall.Thisistheconsistent,long-termevidencefromalotoftestdischargeswe performed at an installation Ive been working at for about 4 years. Theseresultsseemabitstrange,butwedontbelievewerebreakinganynaturallawssimply thatthesystemwereworkinginisnotaclosedone,andthereforethesecondlawof thermodynamics is not applicable in the traditional sense. In terms of action at a distance and the dependence of distance on the beam energy we dont havemuchexperimentaldata,butwhatwedohaveisafirstmeasurementatadistanceof1.2 kilometers without any loss in energy. Our latest experiment was conducted over a distance of 5 kilometers,andthebeampenetratedthroughseveralhousesmadeofconcrete.Wedidnot measureanylossofenergy,butaftercloselyevaluatingsomeofthecalculationsthatweve made,weshouldgetsomedecreaseinbeam-energyatdistancesgreaterthan100kilometers. This is research that awaits us in the future. AAG:Youdmentioned5kilometers did you notice any change in the focus of the beam.Diditwidenorperhapsgetsmaller as it travels? Discharge Chamber: A complete layout-schematic of the chamber showing experimental components. Podkletnov:Ifthemainsolenoid whichiswoundaroundthechamberis madeinagoodway,thenwehaveavery gooddischargeanditeffectivelymaintains anon-divergentcross-sectionalpatternof the emitter it was projected from. However, atadistanceof5kilometers,thebeam begins to lose focus it gets a bit wider than itwas,indicatingminordeviationsinthe shape of the impulse as it propagates. AAG: I collected a few questions online, andonepersonwroteme,Isitpossibleto generatemoreworkalongthepathofthe beamthanenergyputintothebeam?I thinktheywereaskingaboutpotential over-unity applications. Podkletnov:Itsbeensurprisingto findthattheenergythatweputintothe dischargeismuchlessthantheenergythat theimpulseseemstogenerate,butit doesntmeanthatitsanover-unitydevice, simplythatwerecreatingasetofspecial space-timeconditionsthroughthe interactionsoftheelectromagneticpulse-discharge with the bose-einstein condensate (superconductor).Bymanipulatingthese American Antigravity.ComPage 4 of 13 parametersweallowtheinteractionofelectromagneticfieldswiththesub-atomicfield environment.Wemaycallitzero-pointenergyormaybeevenaether,butwhateveritis,when normal matter interacts with it this special energy is obtained, and we can harness this energy. Our technology may be like a key that opens the door to the energy of the subatomic realm. This is at least our fervent hope AAG:Doestheimpulse-generatorseemtodefyconventionalRelativityTheory?Im wonderingifyoumighthaveanyspecificexamplesorobservationsofthingsthatRelativity Theory simply cant explain Podkletnov:IwouldneversaythatthatourexperimentsdefyconventionalRelativity Theorybecausetheydont.Youknow,peoplealsosuggestedthataboutmyearlier experimentation with the rotating disks, but in that case the rotations around the disks own axis areabsoluterotation.Thisisabsolutemovement,notrelative,whichiswhyrelativitytheoryis notapplicabletoourrotatingdisksitsatotallydifferentthing.However,Idontthinkthe force-beam experiment defies Relativity Theory either. Marx Circuitry: An overview of anidealized circuit for the Marx-Generator. AAG: Does the inertia change in proportion to changes in mass? The reason that I wrote that downwasreallyinrelationtoFranDeAquinos research.Hebelievesthatinertial&gravitational mass arenot equal, they justappear equaltousin our frame of reference. Podkletnov:Well,basedonour understandingandourexperience,wedidnt differentiatebetweengravitationalandinertial mass,andwebelievethattheyareequal. Experimentally,thepulse-widthoftheimpulsesis tooshorttonoticeanydifference,andwenever conductedanyspecialexperimentsjustto distinguish gravitational and inertial mass. AAG: In Relativity Theory, gravitation and time areintegralcomponentsofthefabricoftimeand spaceandmodifyingoneinherentlychangesthe other.Givenyourdescriptionofthe impulse-beam asbeinggravitationalinnature,haveyounoticed any experimental time effects? Podkletnov: Its difficult to say, because in a practical sense its not truly agravity-beam its agravity-impulsewithaveryshorttime-duration, and because of this limitation -- because it has such ashortpulse-width--wedidntnoticeanytime effects and didnt even try to measure them, but its possibletheyarepresent.Theseeffectswere definitelypresentwhenwewereexperimenting withtherotatingdisksdefinitelyandwehad someexperiencewiththis,butwiththegravity impulse-generatorwesimplydidntconductany measurements. American Antigravity.ComPage 5 of 13 AAG: Now youve mentioned working on some scientific publications, and Id like to find out more about what topics you plan on publishing about in the future, and what your schedule for publication might be? Podkletnov: Well,ofcoursethereisagrowinginterestintheconceptofmanipulating gravity in a number of countries. For instance, we got a very interesting offer from China-- they have a very special project at the University of Beijing and theres also been some interest from the private sector in the United States as well. Assoonaswegetfundingwelltrytopublishonavarietyofexperimentsinamoredetailed manner,butatpresentwereextremelyinterestedinattemptingtomeasuretheinteractionof the impulse-beam with visible light, and we published some preliminary results about this in the journal of low-temperature physicsin August of 2004. The details are all in my article with co-authorDr.GiovanniModanese,andwerecontinuethisresearchnow,againwithafocuson attempting to measure the propagation speed of the impulse. Wereverycautiousaboutwhatwewrite,because we dont want to frighten the scientific community, andalsowewanttobeabsolutelysurethatthe resultsarecheckedandrecheckedseveraltensof times--butitseemsthatbasedonwhatwehave now,andwevealreadybeenworkingforayear and a half, the speed of the impulse is much higher than the speed of light. Pendulum: Podkletnovs initial force-beam experimental measurement apparatus. Withtheparametersthatweusenowusingour currentemitterdesignsandavoltageof3and5 million volts, the speed is about 63 to 64c which means that the propagation speed of the impulse is closeto64timesthespeedoflight.Ofcourse,we wouldliketomeasurealltheseparametersusing differentmeasurementsystemsanddifferent approaches.Atpresentweusetwoatomicclocks, andwethinkthatourmeasurementswereprecise enough,butwewouldwelcometheadviceofthe internationalcommunity.Itwouldhelptohave additionalinputonhowtomeasurethespeedof theimpulseinaveryspecificway.Assoonaswe get a good confirmation of these results, we will try to publish all of this information. AAG:Iwaswonderingaboutfunding:youvementionedthattherewasinterestfromthe privatesectorintheUnitedStatesandfromChinadoyouknowifthereareanyreplication efforts underway by other groups to duplicate your research? Podkletnov: IknowthattherewasalotofinterestfromBoeing,butIdontknowthe details. I also know that the Department of Defense in the United States is very interested in this technology,andthatswhytheyinvitedDr.NingLitoleadthescientificlaboratoryfundedby AMCOM, but at present I dont know of any official replication of my gravity experiments. This isbecausemyresearchisratherhardtocategorize,itscostly,andtheofficialattitudeofthe American Antigravity.ComPage 6 of 13 politicallycorrectscientificestablishmenttowardsgravity-modificationisnegative,which creates a lot of difficulties. However,Idonthideanything,andwhenpeople contact me directly or by email I usually try to give alltheadvicethatIhaveandtosharemy experiencewiththem.Theproblemistoo complicatedforonecountryorforonelabto succeed;gravityshouldbestudiedalloverthe worldusingthebestforcesandthebrainsof difference scientists. Thats the key to success. Dr. Modanese: Podkletnovs research partner, physicist, and force-beam co-author. AAG:Ithinkwevealreadyagreedthatoneof the chief obstacles to a successful replication is the 4-inchsuperconductordoyouknowifthoseare manufacturedandsoldanywhere,oristhata processthateveryonehastogothroughtobuild their own? Podkletnov: Frankly speaking, in the case of extremely effective emitters thats a part of myprofessionalknow-how,butifyoureonlytalkingaboutemittersthatallowyoutogenerate small effects, then its not a problem. I believe that American Superconductor can help to easily make emitters of this kind, and also there is a nice firm called Superconductive Components in Columbus, Ohio theyre more or less familiar with my technology, and I think that they are up to the task of building emitter components. AAG: Soessentially,byusingasmallersuperconductoryouhaveasmallereffect,butthat can be tested by using more sensitive equipment. Podkletnov:Thediameterofthediskshouldstillnotbelessthan4-inches,butIm talkingaboutthephysicalstructureoftheceramicitself.Thestructureforefficientemittersis very difficult to build, and requires a lot of experience to build correctly, so even if I provided a detaileddescription,itwouldbedifficulttoconstructwithoutmyhelp.Normalemitterswhich allow you to push a thick book away from a table are possible to construct, as they arent quite so complicated. AAG: I had a question from another person who wasaskingaboutvideo,buttheywerealsoasking about a flat-glow discharge. Dr. Ning Li: A colleague of Podkletnovs and specialist in gravitomagnetic coupling effects. Podkletnov: Well, in order to make a video fortheflat-glowdischarge,weshoulduseahigh-speed video camera that we dont presently have, so we typically have to rely on our keen sight, but its a bit difficult. Were planning to film it, but even with anormaldischargeaspark,asinavandegraaf generator, or in a flat-glow discharge, which repeats theconfigurationoftheemitter,itspossibletosee it with your own eyes -- you dont need a camera for that. American Antigravity.ComPage 7 of 13 AAG: Nowintermsofexperimentalsetup,becauseImgettingreadytobuypartsitlooks like,fromreadingthroughyourexperimentalsetup,thatessentiallyyouredischargingahigh-voltage onto a superconductor that, and the superconductor itself is inside a magnetic field. It looksinsomewaysdeceptivelysimplistic,butIunderstandthatthereisadefinitechallenge involved with it. Have you found any real tricks to testing with this? Podkletnov:Well,thistechnologyisreallynothingspecial,butIworkwithateamof experiencedpeoplewhoareexpertsinhigh-voltagedischarges,expertsinceramicmaterials& superconductors, and experts in magnetic fields, and only by combining the knowledge different fieldsandpeoplefromdifferentcountriescanwereachsomethingpositive.Thisinternational collaboration becomes inevitable, and becomes the key to success. Emitter Experimental Setup: An overview of the emitters subjected to a high-voltage discharge. AAG: Dr.BobBakerisworkingonputtingtogethera2006High-FrequencyGravity-Wave Conferenceasafollow-uptotheearlieronein2003.Hashecontactedyouaboutthis,and would you be open to attending? Podkletnov: No,hehasntsentmeanything.Youknow,IhaveajobhereandIdont wanttoriskit,especiallywithoutfirmopportunitiesforfunding.Imhopingtofindinvestors wise enough to see how much money this research can generate. Unfortunately, up to now they dontunderstandingitifIreleasethistechnology,iftheyputmoneyinitthenwewill definitelysucceedinit,andin2or3yearstheywillbericherthanBillGates,butthis understandingcomesveryslowly.Wevebeenhopingforcommercialfunding,becausethe impulse generator is basically a gravity-gun, and Im not really interested in providing a weapon ofstrategicimportancetotheUnitedStates.Ifweretalkingaboutnewpropulsionsystems, though,Imeagertosharemyknowledge.Ofcoursethegravity-beamcanalsousedfor propulsion, but the rotating superconductor can be used only for creating propulsion a vertical column to help lift a craft off the surface of the earth. AAG: The force-beam that youd mentioned coming out of the back of the impulse generator had a negative effect on living organisms, right? American Antigravity.ComPage 8 of 13 Podkletnov:Yes,itproducedastrangekindofnon-focusedradiationthatwasvery harmfultobiologicaltissue--fortunatelyforus;theimpulseswereveryshortintime.Itwas very harmful to living organisms; we also observed a melting or molecular-juxtaposition effect of biological tissues with plastic materials, and even with metals to some extent. AAG:Sothiswasaverydifferentforcethantheimpulsecomingoutofthefrontofthe generator? Deflection: Deflection of pendulum during testing as a function of discharge voltage. Podkletnov:Yes,itwasanentirely differentforce,anditwasnotfocusedlikethe gravity-beam. AAG: In The Hunt for Zero Point, Nick Cook describedanexperimentinthe1940scalledthe Nazi-Bellthatreportedlyexhibitedside-effects like the crystallization of cell-membranes in plants andthebreakdownoflivingtissueintoagreasy substanceafterrepeatedexposure.Doesthis soundsimilarinanywaytowhatyousaw emanatingfromthebackoftheimpulse-generator? Podkletnov: Well, I cant speak for what they might have seen during the 40s I hadnt evenbeenbornyet!However,itmightbethattheside-effectsaresimilartoours.Thereare several effects that are similar to this one is the Hutchison Effect, where he reported molecular distortions&materialsjuxtapositions,whichissimilartotheanecdotalclaimsofsailors melting into decks in the Philadelphia Experiment legend. AAG: Oh,soyoureactuallytalkingaboutaradicallydifferentsetofassociatedeffectsdid youwitnessanythinglikeatomictransmutationsorLow-EnergyNuclearReaction(LENR) effects occurring, or just the molecular-level anomalies? Podkletnov: Well,theradiationthatemanatesfromtherearoftheimpulse-generator mightsomehowcreateconditionssuitabletoLENReffects,butthiswasntanareaoffocusin our research, so I really dont know. Our primary focus was on studying the gravity-beam itself. AAG: In terms of the force-beam, youve said that it was hundreds of pounds of force, and I realize that it was very difficult to measure. Youve said that it was also enhanced with 5-million volt discharges. Can you tell me a bit more about this? Podkletnov: Yes,itoutputforcedependsonthevoltageandalsoontheeffectofhow sharpthetheimpulseis.Iftherise-timeoftheimpulseislonginduration,thenwehavea lower-power impulse, and if it is very sharp I mean the voltage rises very fast then the effect is very large and is able to bend metal plates. AAG: Ok, did you test on anything besides metal or concrete, to try some other substances? American Antigravity.ComPage 9 of 13 Podkletnov: Its not a drilling-machine, sorry. Were interested mainly in the use of this technologyforpropulsioninspace,andfranklyspeakingitreallyiswhatyoudcall propellantless propulsion. AAG: Lets focus on that for a second: when you noticed the impulse force on objects in the beam path, was there an equal & opposite force on the superconductor itself? Podkletnov: No, there wasnt. There was no reaction force at all. AAG: So if you put the superconductor inside of a spacecraft then, I guess that it wouldnt produce a conventional forward propulsion? Amplitude: Relative pulse-amplitude from impulse-discharge experimental testing. Podkletnov: Yes, it doesnt act according to Newtonsthirdlawthateveryforcehasanequal anoppositereaction.Butsimplythe superconductingemitter,whetheritisarotating diskorthedischarge-system,isabletocreatea gravitational wave in what you might call the aether or the space of subatomic particles.Or you call it a gravity-wave.Sothiswavepropagatesthrough space,throughalltheobjects,sometimesitcan interactwithnormalmatter,buttomysurpriseit doesnotloseitsenergyatveryhighdistancesit remains collimated as it propagates. AAG: Didyounoticeanyotherstrangeeffectsinthegeneralarea?Anythinginadditionto the impulse itself, the effect on objects, or the strange radiation coming out behind? Podkletnov: No, we didnt, but frankly speaking it is not very easy to measure all these additional effects. You know, when youre dealing with millions of volts, its better to keep a bit of safe distance. We use a faraday cage and special rubber-metal coatings to shield the radiation, because otherwise the high magnetic field strength from the discharge will erase computer hard drives and damage nearby test-equipment. AAG:Whenyouanalyzedthemetalsample thatwasbentwiththegravity-beam,diditappear tobeonlybentforwardinthedirectionofbeam propogation?Dr.BobBakerpostulatesthat gravity-wavesmaybequadripolarinnature,and Imwonderingifthesewavesmightleavea detectablesignatureinthematerialstheydeform to help validate his theory Deflection: Angle of pendulum deflection correlated with adjusted pulse amplitude. Podkletnov:Inourexperimentswewere able to observe only the forward action. AAG:Doyouthinkthattheremightbeany torsionphysicsinvolvedwiththeimpulse-generator? American Antigravity.ComPage 10 of 13 Podkletnov: Ithinkthattorsionoraxialfieldsmaybepresentinourexperiments,but its more suitable to suggest a role for torsion physics in our original rotating disk experiments - the mechanism behind the impulse-generator is a bit different. AAG:Speakingofwhich,intermsofthefailedNASAreplicationfortherotating-disk experiment, Id heard from a NASA insider that they only spun it up to about 200rpm. Does that mean that they didnt fully complete your experiment? Rotating Disk: A cutaway of the Type-II disk apparatus from the first experiment. Podkletnov:IcringeeverytimeIhearthatNASAfailedtoreplicatemyexperiment, becauseno,theydidntfail.Theymadetheirowndisks,andtheywerebigenough:about12 inchesindiameter.Theypublishedsomeinitialtestinformationindicatingthattheyhad definitely noticed some unusual effects. Then Igot involved in participating to helping them to replicatemyexperiments,andtheypracticallyhadeverythingreadywhentheyranoutof money.Soatthelaststagetheywerenotableto rotatethesuperconductorinthemagneticfield, andshortlyafterthatthedepartmentofdefense came in and grabbed all the experiments. All of this researchwastransferredtoDr.NingLisonow NASA has nothing, and we have nothing either. AAG:SoisDr.NingListillinchargeofthe project then? Podkletnov: I think so, but the point is that NASAnevercompletedtheexperiment,andthus nobodycanclaimthattheyfailedtoseeresults, because they never completed it. AAG:Haveyoueverbeenapproachedbythe Department of Defense for any kind of funding? Podkletnov: No, they would not do it. I am a citizen of Russia so they wouldnt even try. AAG: Well, the Chinese, though, have a gravity-lab:havetheyexpressedanyinterestinyour research? Podkletnov: They expressed real interest and theyve invited me to China several times, buttheyarelikekindergarteners:theywantmetocomejustandgivethemcompleted technologies.Theyhavearathergoodtheoreticalschoolbuttheyhaventachievedmuchin practice, and they seem rather limited in funding, so I am not eager to travel to China and work there at my own expense. AAG: Haveyoueverbeenabletogravity-researchlabinChina?BobBakervisitedacouple of years ago, and was impressed by their efforts. American Antigravity.ComPage 11 of 13 Podkletnov: No, but Im perfectly aware of the projects they have and their progress in development,becauseIhaveverygoodrelationshipsanddiscussionswithmycolleaguesfrom different countries, although I havent seen it with my own eyes. AAG:Oneoftheresponsesthatwehadonlinewasthequestion,withnearlyadecadeof experience, why havent we been able to see videos or photos of your experiments up until now? Podkletnov: Well first of all, when we began those experiments, in Tampere in the early 90s,itjustwasntcommonpracticetomakevideosorphotosoftheequipmentorofthe experiment.IknowthatitstypicalintheUnitedStates,buthereinEuropeitsdifferentand thesamethinggoesforRussia,especiallywiththelastexperimentintheMoscowChemical ResearchCenter,becausethewholecenterisaverysecurefacilityandsomeoftheresearch laboratoriesareclosedtothegeneralpublic.Inourcase,nothingwassecret,butitwasa dangerous environment because we use high-voltages, so its a closed lab. We have special signs onthewallsofthelaboratorywhichdonotallowustomakeanyphotos.Itsanaccepted, established policy at this scientific research center, and I didnt want to break the rules. AAG: Well, in light of the publicity that youve had recently, have you given thought to doing any photos or video in the near future? Project Delta-G: The now-defunct NASA group tasked with examing superconductive gravity-coupling. Podkletnov:Ivediscussedthispossibilitywiththeadministrationandtheythinkit mightbepossible,butatpresentwe donthaveanyphotosorvideotoshare with you. AAG:OKwell,Ilookforwardto hopefullyseeingsomeinthefutureifit turnsoutthatitspossible.Tomove along,haveyoubeenabletoobtain fundingfromgovernmentorprivate interests?Hastherebeenafairamount of interest thats come forward and tried toprovidefundingforyour experiments? Podkletnov: There has been some interest from the private sector, because by policy the government does all of the research into gravity and experimental gravity. This type of research isnotpopular,sowedontgetmuchmoneyfromthegovernment.Ofcourse,weusetheright installationsatthetechnologicalcenter.Thereissomeinterestingeneralallovertheworld like the United States and Great Britain, but we didnt get any funding from the government. We getrathersmallfundingfromtheprivatesector,butourplansarereallyamazingandweneed considerablefunding.Sothistopicofgravityisabitunusual,andweneedsomeexotic materialsweneedspecialinstallations,weneedcryogenicsystems,weneedthehelpoftop people who are qualified in their own areas, and these all cost a lot. AAG: Justtowrapthingsup,becausewerealmostoutoftime,againitsoundslikeyoure getting amazing results youre able to put holes through concrete and bend metals with this at 5 million volts these are remarkable results. Is there anything youd like to say in close? American Antigravity.ComPage 12 of 13 Gravity-Wave: The core of a gravity-wave event as predicted by Dr. Robert Bakers HFGW research. Podkletnov:Idontthinkthat theseresultsareremarkableingeneral. Thissubjectcalledexperimentalgravity researchhasaverybigpotential,andif wecomparehowcomplicatedthis problemistotheproblemof,letssay, nuclearexplosives,Ithinkthatgravity researchismuchmorecomplicated.But evenifwespeakaboutnuclearpower, therewasaperiodintheUnitedStates wheneverybodywasinterested,andthe militaryandpeoplewantedtomake someresearch,andthegovernmentwas interested.Thenpeoplecameandsaid, couldyoupleasemakeasmall explosion,andthenwewillgiveyou moneyforabigone?butits impossibletomakeasmallnuclearexplosion.Thesamethingreferstogravityitsan enormousproblem,andwecantgetmuchifwedonthaveanorganizedapproachasitwasin thenuclearprogramforexampleintheUnitedStates.Onlycombiningtheknowledgeof differentfields,andofdifferentphysicists,chemists,andmaterialsscientists&theoretical physicistsonlythroughthemworkingtogethercanwemakeabreakthroughinthisfield, because its very, very serious research. Dr.EvgenyisaresearchscientistlivinginFinland,withanimpressivebodyofexperimental researchrelatingtoEM/gravitationalcouplinginsuperconductivematerials.Hispublished abstracts about the impulse generator experiment are online at: Investigation of HV discharges through large ceramic superconducting electrodes, Superconductor Impulse Gravity Generator American Antigravity.ComPage 13 of 13