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Q: How can we become as big and as fast as this (Art of Living)?Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: I wonder about that too. I think you should have brainstorming sessions, sit with them those teachersand people of thatcountry wecan try those other things too and then wait for the time. Yes, there are two things: One isthat ourefforts, our skills matters. Second is theright time. A combination of both will definitely work

Q: Guruji, please speak about dharma and sanga.Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: Dharma and sanga. Our innermost nature is what dharma is. Yes, our innermost nature is dharma andsangha is our association, ourenvironment.

So events and attitude are influenced by only two things.The first is by your own true nature and another by yourenvironment, the people whom you are with, you know. In a groupif someone says, Come lets go and have a drink, we will say, Ok, lets all go. We will go. In a group if someone startstalking negatively, slowly another person will join a little later, then the third and the fourth. Soon youll find thateverybodystarts talking negatively this is the influence of the group A child is influenced upto 25 percent by theenvironment, by thefriends in theenvironment and the school they grow up in. Another25 percent is from the parents genes and tendencies.

The next25 percent is their own originality, their karmas, their samskaras, the impression that they come into this worldwith. Theremaining 25 percent is through their own self-effort and their understanding. So parents have got only one-forthinfluence on theirchildren. Only one forth. Similarly, our sangha which means our association has an influence on us.Usually what wecall sangha is a group of people who are on the spiritual path. People on the spiritual path can help youwith thatmuch-needed energy, biodiversity energy for you to move on that path. That is why when you sit and meditate ina group, it is better than when you are alone. How many of you feel that way? In a group you feel like doing yoga,pranayam, even service activity. When you are alone, you get tired. You don't feel like doing it. But few of you join together

and you do a lot of work.

If you have to wash the dishes alone, you will feel so bored. But if 7, 8 or 9 of us are washing the dishes, time just flies likethat. You dont feel tired. I have told you dont feel exhausted isn't it? How many of you have this experience? At home ifsomeone is asked to wash thatmany dishes, you would crib. And here you do it with the smile, you do it happily joyfully. Sosangha can or the group sangha can help you move up in life. It puts you in touch with the dharma; and sangha onlyhappen with theenlightened. Thats why Lord Buddha said Buddham, sangham and dharmam. Three things - theenlightened one, thecompany of people and your true nature - all these things important and they all are one and the

same.

Q. Guruji is there any wrong time formeditation? Is it ok to meditate any time?Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: You can meditate any time when your tummy is not full. When you haveeaten, you are full. When yousit formeditation at that time, that is not good. Either you will not havemeditation, you'll fall asleep or youll haveindigestion. There will some difficulty in metabolism

Q: Why is there is a rift between migrants and local people?Sri Sri Ravi Shankar: Rift between themigrants and people living there... one of thereasons is that themigrants are not

mixing with the local people. They remain in their own community and campus. They dont adopt thecountry they are in.


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Capping years of intense debate, astronomers resolved today to demote Pluto in a wholesale redefinition of

planethood that is being billed as a victory of scientific reasoning over historic and cultural influences. But already the

decision is being hotly debated.

Officially, Pluto is no longer a planet.

"Pluto is dead," said Caltech researcher Mike Brown, who spoke with reporters via a teleconference while monitoring

the vote. The decision also means a Pluto-sized object that Brown discovered will not be called a planet.

"Pluto is not a planet," Brown said. "There are finally, officially, eight planets in the solar system."

The vote involved just 424 astronomers who remained for the last day of a meeting of the International Astronomical

Union (IAU) in Prague.

"I'm embarassed for astornomy," said Alan Stern, leader of NASA's New Horizon's mission to Pluto and a scientist at

the Southwest Research Institute. "Less than 5 percent of the world's astronomers voted."

"This definition stinks, for technical reasons," Stern told SPACE.com. He expects the astronomy community to

overturn the decision. Other astronomers criticized the definition as ambiguous.

The resolution

The decision establishes three main categories of objects in our solar system.

y Planets: The eight worlds from Mercury to Neptune.y Dwarf Planets: Pluto and any other round object that "has not cleared the neighborhood around its orbit,

and is not a satellite."

y Small SolarSystem Bodies: All other objects orbiting the Sun.

Pluto and its moon Charon, which would both have been planets under the initial definition proposed Aug. 16, now

get demoted because they are part of a sea of other objects that occupy the same region of space. Earth and the

other eight large planets have, on the other hand, cleared broad swaths of space of any other large objects.

"Pluto is a dwarf planet by the ... definition and is recognized as the prototype of a new category of trans-Neptunian

objects," states the approved resolution.

Dwarf planets are notplanets under the definition, however.

"There will be hundreds of dwarf planets," Brown predicted. He has

already found dozens that fit the category.

Contentious logic

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Pluto's Demotion is Well

Deserved and Long Overdue


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The vote came after eight days of contentious debate that involved four separate proposals at the group's meeting in

Prague.

The initial proposal, hammered out by a group of seven astronomers, historians and authors, attempted to preserve

Pluto as a planet but was widely criticized for diluting the meaning of the word. It would also have made planets out of

the asteroid Ceres and Pluto's moon Charon. But not now.

"Ceres is a dwarf planet. it's the only dwarf planet in the asteroid belt," Brown said. "Charon is a satellite."

The category of "dwarf planet" is expected to include dozens of round objects already discovered beyond Neptune.

Ultimately, hundreds will probably be found, astronomers say.

The word "planet" originally described wanderers of the sky that moved against the relatively fixed background of

star. Pluto, discovered in 1930, was at first thought to be larger than it is. It has an eccentric orbit that crosses the

path of Neptune and also takes it well above and below the main plane of the solar system.

Recent discoveries of other round, icy object in Pluto's realm have led most astronomers to agree that the diminutive

world should never have been termed a planet.

'A farce'

Stern, in charge of the robotic probe on its way to Pluto, said the language of the resolution is flawed. It requires that

a planet "has cleared the neighborhood around its orbit." But Earth, Mars, Jupiter and Neptune all have asteroids as

neighbors.

"It's patently clear that Earth's zone is not cleared," Stern told SPACE.com. "Jupiter has 50,000 trojan asteroids,"

which orbit in lockstep with the planet.

Stern called it "absurd" that only 424 astronomers were allowed to vote, out of some 10,000 professional astronomers

around the globe.

"It won't stand," he said. "It's a farce."

Stern said astronomers are already circulating a petition that would try to overturn the IAU decision.

Owen Gingerich, historian and astronomer emeritus at Harvard who led the committee that proposed the initial

definition, called the new definition "confusing and unfortunate" and said he was "not at all pleased" with the languageabout clearing the neighborhood.

Gingerich also did not like the term "dwarf" planet.

"I thought that it made a curious linguistic contradiction," Gingerich said in a telephone interview from Boston (where

he could not vote). "A dwarf planet is not a planet. I thought that was very awkward."


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Gingerich added: "In the future one would hope the IAU could do electronic balloting."

Years of debate

Astronomers have argued since the late 1990s, however, on whether to demote Pluto. Public support for Pluto has

weighed heavily on the debate. Today's vote comes after a two-year effort by the IAU to develop a definition. An

initial committee of astronomers failed for a year to do so, leading to the formation of the second

committee whose proposed definition was then redefined for today's vote.

Astronomers at the IAU meeting debated the proposals right up to the moment of the vote.

Caltech's Mike Brown loses out in one sense. The Pluto-sized object his team found, called 2003 UB313, will now be

termed a dwarf planet.

"As of today I have no longer discovered a planet," he said. But Brown called the result scientifically a good decision.

"The public is not going to be excited by the fact that Pluto has been kicked out," Brown said. "But it's the right thing

to do."

Textbooks will of course have to be rewritten.

"For astronomers this doesn't matter one bit. We'll go out and do exactly what we did," Brown said. "For teaching this

is a very interesting moment. I think you can describe science much better now" by explaining why Pluto was once

thought to be a planet and why it isn't now. "I'm actually very excited."

The Debate at the IAU Meeting

y BLOG: The Right Decision

y 3rd Proposal 'Shot Down in Flames'

y Details Emerge on Plan to Demote Plutoy Pluto May Get Demoted After All

y One Astronomer Says 'It's All About the Atmosphere'

y Earth's Moon Could Become a Planet

y Public Laughs and Shrugs at 12-Planet Proposal

y Astronomers Sharply Divided on New Planet Definition

y Adding Planets Means New Textbooks, Toysy Nine Planets Become 12 with Controversial New Definition

y Image Gallery: The 12 "Planets"

Defining Moments: The Saga's History

y Pluto's Fate to be Decided by 'Scientific and Simple' Planet Definition

y JUNE: Definition of 'Planet' Expected in September

y 2005: Definition Debate: Planets May Soon Get Adjectives

y 2003: Controversial Proposal Would Boost Solar System's Planet Tally to 12

y 2000: What is a Planet? Debate Forces New Definition


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JIDDU KRISHNAMURTI

OUR BROTHER OF LIGHT

Jiddy Krishnamurtiwas an Avatarduring the last centurywho embodied in mission toteach and spreadmessages of Light tomankind.

In spite of his multiple health problems and the criticism he received, he is thetwinsoulof the MasterJesus inhabiting the spiritual plane 5.9.

While he was embodied, he didnt want to have followers or tobe considered a guru asmany other pseudo-teachers are considered nowadays, in that way he showed hishumbleness to the world.As a Masterof Light he came to serve mankind,but people didnot understand him.


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MESSAGEFROMJIDDU KRISHNAMURTI

SESSION 11/JUL/98

Medium: Jorge R.Olguin.

Interlocutor: Horacio Velmont.

Entities that came todialogue: Jiddu Krishnamurti andJohnakan Ur-El

Interlocutor: Whowill come to talk now?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: Iwould have tomake a summary tocall human beings odditiesbecause the human being lives being reactivated.My name isJiddu Krishnamurti.

Interlocutor: The Well-known Jiddu Krishnamurti?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: Correct. I have given an infinityofconferences, trying tounveil themysteries of the mind, the mysteries ofwhy the human being's big ambitions exist, about

why the human being sometimes tends towards perfection andcloser to achieve it, hegoes back.

There is a very important explanation.First: Every incarnated person is exposed, in a100%, to the reactive mind. Second: The environment unfailingly restimulates thereactive mind of the person. Third: The incarnated human being, in all the cases,acknowledges receipt of the attacks of other reactive minds, restimulatingin turn hisreactive mind.

Interlocutor: What you sayis veryclear,Master.

Jiddu Krishnamurti: It is verydifficult that an embodied person could stay at the edge ofdifferent situations.Even the most lucidminds, even the 99% analytical minds, theycan

goback in front of environmental onslaughts.

Unfortunately, there are very few people that can staydepersonalizedin front of them.

On the other hand, the few incarnated people that stay unharmed, and with greatdifficulty,before these environmental attacks of nature,whatever they are, theybelong tothe planes 4 and 5 of spiritual vibration.

There are things that should not be made.First,in my particularcase Im not incarnated;I amin the plane 5 of spiritual vibration and at the moment I amin mission in the plane 2.

Interlocutor: If Im not wrong,you nevermentioned in yourbooks the existence of thereactive mind and engrams.Is this true?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: It is correct.

Interlocutor: But was it because youdidn't know that orbecause it was not yourmissiontomake them known?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: It was not mymission in that moment tomake them known, sincethis mission was guided to the conferences that I have given throughout my life as a


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physical person.

Interlocutor: There is some criticism that I have read somewhere,Master,I sayit with allrespect, in your conferences and in yourbooks youwent toomuch in psychology orsomething like that.

Jiddu Krishnamurti: That was a bad interpretation.What Iwas looking for, and Im stilllooking for, is the understandingof the spirit by the same spirit. The behavior, that partof ambition, that part of ego that all human being possesses, trying tointegrate it into thewhole of Love, the whole of sharing andvery few times that can be achieved.

Anywayit is veryimportant toclarify this andIwant to sayit before giving place tootherentities.First: all embodied person in mission should have to have his or her Thetan inthe planes 4 and 5.For example: Im at this moment in mission in the plane 2.Most of theincarnated beings ignore that the spirits can be in mission, not only when they areincarnated,but alsoin lower planes,mingling.

Interlocutor: Are you somehowdivided, Imean, part ofyour spirit is in the plane 5 and

the other percentage in the plane 2?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: It is verydifficult to explain.Every human being, as you know, has10% of his spirit inside of that shell which is the physical body.

Lets remember that each higher plane the vibration is subtler.Forus, a vibration 2 or avibration 3 are almost sodense as the physical plane 1.

Interlocutor: Iunderstand the idea.

Jiddu Krishnamurti: To be understood. The word "flesh" belongs exclusively to thephysical plane, so the "embodied" wordwould not make sense speakingin terms of thespirit and the spiritual planes. But it is like Im not embodiedbut "represented" in the

plane 2 in a camouflaged form, and there is 10% ofmy spirit in the plane 2, as ifit werean incarnation.

Interlocutor: The concept is clear.Couldyou express symbolically that yourSpirit of theplane 5,did "embody" expressingit between quotation marks-in mission in the plane 2since in fact onlyone embodies in the physical plane?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: Yes,with that explanation that wouldbe correct. The spirits of theplane 2 believe that I amin the plane 2.

Interlocutor: Thats veryclear.NowIwanted to ask youifit was certain, as it was saidinsome esotericcircles that youwouldbe the newMessiah.

Jiddu Krishnamurti: It is very audacious,very risky,on mybehalf to admit something likethat.I know that there were people ofmy environment that considered that mymessageswere advanced to that time, as previously those messages ofJesus ofNazareth were.

I humblybelieve that I have transmittedmany things,maybe some things not soconcreteandotheryes.My physical part left a lot tobe desired.Duringmore than 30 years ofmyincarnated life I have suffered from tremendous headaches. I have studied myunconscious somehow,discovering that Ididn't bring traumas or problems, since I had


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come in mission, and the few setbacks that Icould have gone through in mychildhood,theywere small things without importance.

Therefore, the headaches were physical, real, for a problem evidentlyofbrain circulationand nothing else.Duringmanyyears theywere gone and then during several years theyreturned.

Until the last dayofmiincarnation Iwas not been able todefeat those pains.I sometimeswoke up at small hours screaming.

Interlocutor: Doyou have some theory about the origin of those pains?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: Idont have a theory at this time. Iwould have to investigate moreabout this topic.Ididnt disembody a long time ago either. Perhaps entities of error thatwere attackingme psychically preventingme to think have possibly intervened. I say itbecause as a matter of chance I was looking for a truth, I was trying to change aparadigmof Psychology, Iwas trying togive a new lawof Psychology, and Icould notgive it while Iwas incarnated.

IfI hadbeen able tomake a change,Iwould have changed all the laws of Psychology,itwould have been somethingmore similar to the Transpersonal psychology that otherauthors have developed.

In the moment in which that little Light was really tocome,I had so enormous pains thatsometimes I even kneeleddown oppressedby the suffering.

Interlocutor: Master,Isnt possible that those entities of errorwere attackingyou exactlyin some specific engram?It is also possible that that badcirculation which you referredtowas probable causedby an engramofyourchildhood?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: Once I disembodied, I have traveled through the memory of the

universal files - the Akashic records-, all the childhoodofmy last incarnation and therewas not a fact of that nature.

Evidently there was no such thing that nowyoucall engram. There wasnt. I attribute itrather to psychic attacks that preventedme to develop that new spiritual instance tochange the current Psychoanalysis.

On the other hand,Imust notice that there were manyEntities that were in mission in theplane 2 who asked to embody lateron, and there was a kindof a transmutation, 10%went to the plane 2, and90% to the plane 5.

Then,it is not that 10% went to plane 1 and90% to the plane 5.As Iwas in semimissionin the plane 2,80% was left in the plane 5, 10% in the plane 2 and 10% in the plane 1.Do

youunderstandwhat Imean?

Interlocutor: Perfectly.

Jiddu Krishnamurti: When that spirit goes tomission in the plane 1,it is sodestabilized,for that part that stays in the plane 2 that the spirit begins to make mistakes aftermistakes in the plane 1, and the spirit decreases in Light intensity and it lowers to the


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plane 4 and then to the plane 3.

Interlocutor: Iunderstand.

Jiddu Krishnamurti: That is to say,it is verydifficult, even for the most elevatedSpirit ofLight, to stayin double mission,in the planes 1 and 2. Therefore,Idon't recommendit.

I amgivingwhat youwouldcall a "class" on Earth,because many spirits of Light canmake a mistake in their election.

The fact that they have wisdom it doesn't mean that they are not fallible.We sometimeshave the habit of thinking that all that we have aroundus is unalterable,it is certain,butit is not like that.

ToConclude Iwant to speak about the incarnated part of Radael [1] and also about hisdisincarnated part.

It is verydifficult, sometimes, to achieve a clearmind.It is verydifficult to achieve a total

clarification of ideas, because it has been verified that even incarnatedpeople whose Thetans are in the 5th plane of spiritual vibration, they endup reactivatingtheirminds to such point that theycreate conflicts in their environment.

That is unavoidable while the person has an environment. Im not doing any kind ofapology andI love that each person can have his or her family. But it is verydifficult tomake a mission embodiedwith an environment.

Interlocutor: Doyoumean a negative environment?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: I refer to an environment of any nature.In myincarnated part I triedto be isolated from the greater amount possible of environment and that is knownuniversally.

Iwill give the example of the MasterJesus who said to his followers: Doyouwant toknow the KingdomofHeaven? Leave everythingbehind!Dont look back!"

In that moment it seemed to be a very cruel sentence, since it was separating hisfollowers from their families. However, this has not been in this way in a higherpercentage, since Peter had his family, although he was practicallyvery little time withthem.Most of the time he was with the MasterJesus.

Interlocutor: But isnt there any karma to learn alsowith the family?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: Anyway, the mission is more important than any particular karma.This was clarifiedverywell by BuddhismMahayana,where they explain that Bodhisattva

- that is to say- he whovoluntarily stops his evolution when he reaches an echelon belowBuddha,it can be equallyormore meritorious than the same Buddha, since he sacrificeshis own sanctity to serve his neighbor.

When they are about to reach the Path of Light, they leave that Path to serve. That ismore altruistic,it is more venerable than sanctityitself.

Interlocutor: Thats clear.


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Jiddu Krishnamurti: Then, sometimes its valid to leave a familywithout the necessaryhelp so that theycan elevate their negative karma,when that estrangement is performedto pursue a mission that rises thousands of people and not only to few people.

This is verydifficult tounderstand for small or narrow-minded people.

Keep in mind that the same brotherJohnakan,in John Zebedee's incarnation,didn't havea family, he was always in Service.

Didyou know that he was practically the creatorof hyperventilation?

Interlocutor: Hyperventilation?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: In that time it was very common for certain Greeks and somenomads of the desert to harvest certain hallucinogenic plants and in bigmeetings theyoffered them, somuch in smoke columns or herbal infusions with hot water, tocreate analtered state ofconsciousnesswhere the person could see fartheron.

Interlocutor: Interesting!

Jiddu Krishnamurti: John Zebedee has proven enough of that,but being alreadyolder, atthe age of 60 years old,which was enough for that time.He began towork during a nighthe had a very high fever and he began to have visions and then,once he was cured, alsowith different herbs, he has experienced that state altering his breathing operation,accelerating it andoxygenating his mind somuch that he endedup losing his ordinarysense ofvision.

Interlocutor: Wasnt it dangerous?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: It was dangerous because he was not assisted.He did that in a cave,in Patmos,where he had the apocalypticvision that was not understooduntil this day.

I even demystifywhat many people say that the Apocalypsewas written bydisciples ofJohn Zebedee,because it was not like that.

Interlocutor: Does it have some connection with LSD that is to say, Lysergic aciddiethylamide?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: LSD alters in the same way that those herbs 2000 years ago,with thedifference that the acidis a chemical product andit can produce irreversible sequels forthe human mind.

Then,it is not something advisable tobe usedon a dailybasis.It can be used a couple oftimes as an experiment,but nothing else.


Jiddu Krishnamurti: It is the same thing that the person that smokes a pot ofmarijuana.Itis okay, he can reach an altered state ofconsciousness,but if that person is accustomedto that smoke, he can end up losing neurons and the sense of the incarnatedintelligence.

Interlocutor: In mycase Idont have clear-sightedness,DidIborn with some blockade in


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this sense for some special reason oris there some engram that is impedingit?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: Nobody is born with any blocked gift. It simply happens thatsometimes, in certain incarnation, it didn't end up developing, and if it didn't end updeveloping it, is for some especial reason. It is always either to leave it to anothertherapist that makes it ordue toone puts all his forces on a different aspect.

I mean, there is no twisted explanation. The explanation is very simple. If in certainincarnation Icannot develop such gift,it is tobe developedin anotherincarnation.

Interlocutor: Iunderstood the point perfectly.

Jiddu Krishnamurti: Finally, Iwant to clarify something very important.We sometimesdecide to embody in certain environment to learn certain karmic lessons we have tolearn, or because in that environment there are too many conflicts and then it is afavorable environment to learn and evolve.

But many times, even being in the 4th or 5th spiritual planes, "the eye extends

throughout more than the arms." This is a verymetaphoric sentence because in ourplane there are no arms or eyes,but Iwant that all ofyouunderstand the meaning.

Imean that sometimes decisions get out of hand.Maybe we embody in an environmentwhere we think that we can learn, and the truth is that we learn because a wise manlearns even with the conflicts, but many times that conflict which was seen from theplane 5 in a way,maybe benign,once incarnatedit is worse than we imagined.

Interlocutor: Couldit be something like what has happened tome with the incarnation ofNero,where It wasnt even foreseen that Iwere the emperor?

Jiddu Krishnamurti: Correct, it has happened to youwith the incarnation ofNero andeven with other laterincarnations.And not only happened in previous incarnations,but

alsoits happening toyouin this incarnation. But you are solvingit in spite of the manysetbacks you have had.And not onlyyou,but alsomyvessel.

Interlocutor: Idont have anydoubt.

Jiddu Krishnamurti: Iwill leave youbecause anotherbrotherwill communicate with you.I sendmy Light to all ofyou.

Interlocutor: See you later,Master, and thank you.Whowill communicate now?

Johnakan Ur-El: IAmJohnakan Ur-El. Iwant to ratify the concepts ofmybrotherJiddu,with whomI have a great resonance, an almost soimportant resonance as the one I havewith the MasterJesus.Jidduis like a brother tome andwe have exchangedin our plane

manyconcepts.

Many times,beingin the plane 5,I have guided the MasterJiddu that was in the plane 2,andmany times being I embodied in the plane 1; I have received spiritual assistancefrom himbeingin the plane 5.Our Thetans sometimes interact to assist each other.

But Imust confirm, regrettably that sometimes, even choosing fromour spiritual planewhere to embody, how to embody and in what family to embody,we sometimes see it


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much simpler from "above", and once we are embodied that simplicity becomes aproblem and the same incarnation can destabilize us.

It wouldbe very selfish on mybehalf to transmit a message ofdetachment,but Iwouldbe also hypocritical on my behalf if I ignore that most of the people that have beensuccessful in an earthlymissions, they have made it without an affective connection,without a mate andchildren.

Im not fomenting any kind of detachment, I repeat, but notice that as much mybrotherJiddu as the Mother Teresa, andotherEntities in the antiquity, they have beendetached from affections,of family affections,ofmate affections,ofdirect environmentalaffections. Most of the people were disengaged from those direct affections becausethey had a biggercommitment.


Johnakan Ur-El: And its necessary that this be transcribed correctly: Sometimesone sacrifices intimate affective ties togo afteruniversal affective ties. Its of nouse to

have affective ties with a familyof five individuals,ifIclose myselfwith them andIdon'tgive a message to ten thousandormore people.

This is veryimportant tounderstandit correctlybecause I am not fomenting any kindofselfishness,I am not fomenting any kindofdetachment,I am simplymaking noticeable afact.Ifdidn't make it noticed, knowingit,It wouldbe hypocrisyon mybehalf.

I reiterate again, then, so that there is nomisunderstanding that we are not fomentinganydetachment,we are not making any apology tomatrimonial separation of any personof the earthlyuniverse.

We are simply saying that in many cases the affective ties, instead of being tendedtoward the universalism are tended toward selfishness.

Interlocutor: Ibelieve that the MasterJesus wanted tomean something similarwhen hesaid: If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father, mother, wife, children,brothers, and sisters, as well as his own life, he can't be mydisciple [2]

Johnakan Ur-El: Sure,but the wordwas not "hate." I listened tomyMasterbecause Iwaswith him when he spoke that sentence... He meant to he whodoesn'tuntie from those affective ties. This was the spoken expression. This doesn't mean tostop lovingmother, fatheror to stop loving the brothers. It means to love them,but insuch way that that personal love does not hinderor prevents the impersonal Love toeverybody. That is the Love that trulymatters.

In several circumstances - and that was previouslymentionedby the MasterJesus andIhave alsomade it noticeable in several occasions -, the Masterwas like -the wordwouldnot be "resentful",because that would speak of reactive mind,but he was like upset withhis earthlymotherMarybecause she, in a petty selfishness,didn't want that her sonhave that mission and repetitively told him: "Son, you will end up hung, burnt orcrucified."

-Mother-Jesus responded to her-it is necessary that I fulfill mymission.


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And in a certain moment,when the Masterwas giving a speech and I encouraged him,his mother and his brothers came to him looking for him and he told them: Mymotherandmybrothers are those who hear the wordofGod anddoit." [3]

This is translated literally.What happens is that theydont knowwhat was mentionedbefore.He needed tobe detached from his family ties in order tobe able to transmit theWordwithout any kindofinterference.

Interlocutor: Wouldit be the exact word "detachment?"

Johnakan Ur-El: Ofcourse! That worddetachment was lateron usedby another soul inresonance with us, with the Master Jesus and me that is the brotherJiddu. ThebrotherJiddu Krishnamurtiwhovibrates in resonance with us.

I simplywanted to say this.I leave youwith myblessings.

Interlocutor: I thank you for your explanations. As you already know, yourwords arerecorded andIwill transcribe them andIwill diffuse themopportunely.See you later.

[1] Radael is the 90% or thetan ofH.velmont.Whois the reincarnation ofNero theRoman Emperor

[2] Luke 14.26

[3] Luke 8.21


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