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else that, "We knew Lee Harvey Oswald was capable of assassinat ng the President of the United States, we didn't dream he would do it."

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Reviill or to any other individual at any time that I or anyone else in ti.e Fit! knew that Lee Harvey Oswald was capable of assassinating the Presi eat ,.f the United States or possessed any potential for violence.

Prior to the assassination of the President of the United States, I had n., 'nformation indicating violence on the part of Lee Harvey Oswald. I. ish the record to so read.

Mr. STERN. The newspaper story also mentioned another officer of th Della. police force, V. J. "Jackie" Brian.

Mr. Hoary. I know him as Jackie Brian. Mr. STERN. Do you know this officer? Mr. Hosrr. I know him to see him. I don't know him too welL Mr. STERN. Do you recall whether or not he was present when you h d your

conversation with Lieutenant Revill? Mr. Hosry. I don't recall him being present. I was addressing my marks

to Lieutenant Revill. Mr. STERN. Have you heard that there was a rumor to the effect of this

story at any time before this newspaper article appeared? Mr. Hosrr. About 2 weeks prior I heard a rumor, but I didn't know exactly

what the story was all about. I did hear a rumor. Mr. STERN. What was the tone and tenor of the rumor? Mr. BOOTY. That I had made some statement concerning Oswald's asses inating

the President. I wasn't clear. I was never given the exact wording. It In-volved my conversation with Lieutenant Revill.

Mr. STERN. Have you talked to Lieutenant Revill since this ne story appeared?

Mr. HOSTT. No, sir; not since the news story appeared. Mr. SrEaN. To Chief Curry? Mr. Hoary. No, air. Mr. SresN. To any supervising official of the Dallas police force? Mr. Hoerr. No, sir. Mr. SrEas. To any newspaper reporter for any Dallas newspaper other-

wise? Mr. Hosrr. They had contacted me for comment. and I have had no minent

other than the first person who called me, I denied the story. Since ti .-n 1 hate had no ccnnnent on instructions from headquarters.

Mr. STERN. Have you reviewed your affidavit in preparation for ;vie r testi-mony here today?

Mr. Hoerr. Yes, sir. Mr. STEwv. Is there anything you would like to add to it other a what

you have already said? Mr. Hoerr. No, sir. I think it speaks for itself. Mr. STERN. Any change you would like to make in it? Mr. Hoar:. No, sir. The ICHAntaLear. Off the record.

' (Discussion off the record.) The CrtstaltAx. Will you put this on the record, please? Mr. Rankin, is there anything in the record of the Commission show ng that

Lieutenant Revill made a report to his superior officers concerning th s state- ment that Is alleged to have been made by Agent Hosts in this newspaper art ivie?

Mr. BANIUN. The only thing that we have is this affidavit which ou wilt note is Commission Exhibit 709.

The ,Cn.arausrs. Yes. Mr. ILimrsis. And it bears the date November 22,1963. at the top. and sworn

to as of the 7th day of April 1964. That is what Chief Curry testill be re-ceived from Lieutenant Revill.

The CRAI1MAN. Has Lieutenant Revill been a witness before the Co mission or has he made a statement, a deposition of any kind?

Mr. RANKIN. He has not been a witness before the Commission., Mr. Rzzittat. He was talked to in Dallas.

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I also want to state at this time that I made no statement to Lie

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Prior to the assassination of the President of the United States, I had n.• nformation indicating violence on the part of Lee Harvey Oswald. I ish the ecord to so read.

Mr. STERN. The newspaper story also mentioned another officer of the Dallas police force, V. J. "Jackie" Brian.

Mr. Hoary. I know him as Jackie Brian. Mr. STERN. Do you know this officer? Mr. Hoary. I know him to see him. I don't know him too well. Mr. STERN. Do you recall whether or not he was present when you h d your

conversation with Lieutenant Revill? Mr. Hoary. I don't recall him being present. I was addressing my •emark.

to Lieutenant Revill. Mr. STERN. Have you heard that there was a rumor to the effect of th,4

story at any time before this newspaper article appeared? Mr. Hoary. About 2 weeks prior I heard a rumor, but I didn't know exact:y

what the story was all about. I did hear a rumor. Mr. STERN. What was the tone and tenor of the rumor? Mr. HOSTY. That I had made some statement concerning Oswald's asses 'Dating

the President. I wasn't clear. I was never given the exact wording. It in-volved my conversation with Lieutenant RevilL

Mr. STERN. Have you talked to Lieutenant Revill since this ne story appeared?

Mr. Hoary. No, sir ; not since the news story appeared. Mr. SrEax. To Chief Curry? Mr. Hoerr. No, sir. Mr. STERN. To any supervising official of the Dallas police force? Mr. Hoary. No, sir. Mr. STERN. To any newspaper reporter for any Dallas newspaper o other-

wise? Mr. Hoary. They had contacted me for comment, and I have had no inmet.t

other than the first person who called me, I denied the story. Sine then I have had no comment on instructions from headquarters.

Mr. STERN. Have you reviewed your affidavit in preparation for yut r te-t:- mony here today?

Mr. Hoary. Yes, sir. Mr. STERN. Is there anything you would like to add to it other th a what

yon have already said? Mr. Hoary. No, sir. I think it speaks for itself. Mr. STERN. Any change you would like to make in it? Mr. Hoary. No, sir. The CHAIRMAN. Off the record.

- (Discussion off the record.) The CHAIRMAN. Will you put this on the record, please? Mr. Rankin, is there anything in the record of the Commission show i.: that

Lieutenant Revill made a report to his superior officers concerning th . state- ment that is alleged to have been made by Agent Hosty in this newspaper article'

Mr. RANKIN. The only thing that we have is this affidavit which , uu will note is Commission Exhibit 709.

The CHAIRMAN. Yes. Mr. RANKIN. And it bears the date November 22,1963, at the top, and s sworn

to as of the 7th day of April 1964. That is what Chief Curry testi!" • be re- ceived from Lieutenant Revill. ,

The CHAIRMAN. Has Lieutenant Revill been a witness before the Co mbodua or has he made a statement, a deposition of any kind?

Mr. R.smitng. He has not been a witness before the Commission. Mr. Rionicn. He was talked to in Dallas.

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information indicating violence on the part of Lee Harvey Oswald. I ish the record to so read.

Mr. STERN. The newspaper story also mentioned another officer of the Dallu4 police force, V.J. "Jackie" Brian.

Mr. Hosrr. I know him as Jackie Brian. Mr. STERN. Do you know this officer? Mr. Hosrr. I know hini to see him. I don't know him too well. Mr. STERN. Do you recall whether or not he was present when you h. d your

conversation with Lieutenant Revill? Mr. Hosrr. I don't recall him being present. I was addressing my mark,

to Lieutenant Revill. Mr. STERN. Have you heard that there was a rumor to the effect of this

story at any time before this newspaper article appeared? Mr. Hoerr. About 2 weeks prior I heard a rumor, but I didn't know al,

what the story was all about. I did hear a rumor. Mr. STERN. What was the tone and tenor of the rumor? Mr. Hosrr. That I had made some statement concerning Oswald's asses hating

the President. I wasn't clear. I was never given the exact wording. It in-volved my conversation with Lieutenant Revill.

Mr. STERN. Have you talked to Lieutenant Revill since this new story appeared?

Mr. Hosrr. No, sir; not since the news story appeared. Mr. STERN. To Chief Curry? Mr. Hoerr. No, sir. Mr. STERN. To any supervising official of the Dallas police force? Mr. Hoerr. No, sir. Mr. STERN. To any newspaper reporter for any Dallas newspaper o other-

wise? Mr. Hoary. They had contacted me for comment, and I have had no mment

other than the first person who called me, I denied the story. Since then I have had no comment on instructions from headquarters.

Mr. STERN. Have you reviewed your affidavit in preparation -for your testi- mony here today?

Mr. Hoary. Yes, sir. Mr. STERN. Is there anything you would like to add to it other the • what

you have already said? Mr. Hoerr. No, sir. I think it speaks for itself. Mr. STERN. Any change you would like to make in it? Mr. Hoary. No, sir. The Cast:alum Off the record.

' (Discussion off the record.) The CHAIRMAN. Will you put this on the record, please? Mr. Rankin, is there anything in the record of the Commission shoal lc that

Lieutenant Revill made a report to his superior officers concerninc thi state- ment that is alleged to have been made by Agent Booty in this newspaper rti.-1.-?

Mr. RANKIN. The only thing that we have is this affidavit which y u will note is Commission Exhibit 709.

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to as of the 7th day of April 1964. That is what Chief Curry testiti • he re-ceived from Lieutenant Revill.

The CHAIRMAN. Has Lieutenant Revill been a witness before the Com ission or has he made a statement, a deposition of any kind?

Mr. RANKIN. He has not been a witness before the Commission. Mr. RzmicH. He was talked to in Dallas.

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4.t r. Mr. STERN.y ■ al were aware when you read that report that he had

Mr. Host Y. Lied; or was inconsistent.

Mr. Si Fes. Ile had said in New Orleans that he had been marn in Fort

rric.1 a girl named Prosa, that he had originally told the Ne Orleans

police that he had been born in Cuba.

Mr. 110STr. Yes. Mr. STERN. Vi ii were aware of all these inconsistencies?

Mr. Ilosry. Mr. STERN. What did these suggest to you in view of what you kn w about

Oswald? Mr. Ilosry. I knew that he was not telling the truth in his intervie in New

Orlean,.. because I had previously checked the background of his wife and him-

self. and I knew that sne was born in Russia and her name was n t Prossa.

They were not married in Fort Worth. so I knew he was not telling the truth.

Mr. STERN. You kneiv that on November 1.

Mr. HOSTY. Right. Mr. STERN. And at what time did you know of Oswald's trip to M xico City

and his apparent appearance there at the Rusiian Embassy?

Mr. HOSTY. The 25th of October.

Mr. STERN. Had you received any—

Mr. McCLoy., Let's get these years right.

Mr. HOSTY. The 25th of October 1903.

Mr. STERN. Had you received any information about any other con acts with

Russian officials by Lee Harvey Oswald?

Mr. HOSTY. Not at that time.

Mr. STERN. What other information did you have at anytime about that?

Mr. Hosrr. On November 22, after the assassination of President -ennedy. I

was advised that our Washington field office of the FBI had determin that he,

Lee Oswald, bad been in contact with the Soviet Embassy in Washi Pgton, D.C.

I learned that after the assassination.

Mr. STERN. After the assassination?

Mr. HOSTY. Right. sir.

Mr. STERN. Putting that aside for the moment, what was your evaluation of

Lee Harvey Oswald based on the work that you had done and the ports that

you had made. the information you gathered early in November?

Mr. HOSTY. Well, there were many questions to be resolved. I w • s quite In-

terested in determining the nature of his contact with the Soviet .rubassy in

Mexico City. I had not resolved that on the 'Z.Zd of November. W - were still

waiting to resolve that. Prior to that. I mean that would be the onl thing—

Air. STERN. What had you planned to do after November 5 about t is case?

digs Ilosry. Well, as I had previously stated, I have between 25 a•d 40 cases

assigned to me nt any one time. I had other matters to take care of. I had now

established that Lee Oswald was not employed in a sensitive industry. I can

now afford to wait until New Orleans forwarded the necessary pat rs to me to

show are I now bad all the information. It was then my plan o interview

Marina Oswald in detail concerning both herself and her husband's •ackgrouud.

Mr. STERN. Had you planned any steps beyond that point?

Mr. Ilotcry. No. I would have to wait until I had talked to M rina to see

what I could determine. and from there I could make my plans.

Mr. STERN. Did you take any action on this ease between Nov mber 5 and

November '.22? Mr. HOST T. No. sir. Mr. Sr ERN. I think we eau then turn to the events of November and have

you tell us what transpired that day. beginning with the morning.

Mr. Ilosty. All right. The lirst order of business from 5:15 to t o'clock the

aL:, tit in dense held the regular biweekly conference. No v we held a

ona,rvi., .. in our .mice every other Friday morning. It so happened that this

was the Friday morning which we would hold this conference, u which time

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