The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England The county of Gloucestershire is in the middle and towards the west of England.

The Harvey’s, Saunders, Webbs and Brinkworths are some of our related families coming from Gloucestershire.

In the early 1800s the parish of Horsley in Gloucestershire was famous for its woollen mills and the broadcloth they produced.

Visiting St Martin’s church, in the Cotswold village of Horsley some years ago we were able to glean much information about the Harvey’s and related families. We visited in the end of October half term when the beech trees were turning to glorious autumn colours. The tree lined roads descending into the village of Horsley were absolutely beautiful. Later that day visiting Nailsworth we found a much bigger town.

In the Churchyard at Horsley are grave stones to the Harvey family some more readable than others, and some not related to our family.

Inside the church are memorial plaques to three Webb families and a brass plaque for the entrance to Daniel Saunders’ tomb.

Above is the gravestone to Thomas and Maria Harvey (nee Webb), and son James. Thomas and Maria were Mary Ann Saunders / Horner maternal grandparents.

Harriot Harvey was baptised in Horsley on 28th August 1825. She was the eighth of nine children of Thomas Harvey born in April 1786 and died in 1866 and Maria Webb, who was born in September 1788 and died in 1840. They were married in September 1807. Maria Webb’s parents were John Webb b. 1761, and Sarah Manning b.1769, both of Horsley.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England Maria’s siblings were Mercy, baptised 7.2.1790, Harriot, 12.6.1796, Peter, 25.12.1798. Jesse, b.1801 and Sarah b.1804, were both baptised on the 12 4.1805.

Of Maria’s nine children, James b.1808, Samuel b.1810 and Elizabeth b.1814 were all baptised on the same day, the 11th April 1814. James born in 1808 died in 1828, and Peter born in 30th June1816 died in 1821.

Ann was baptised 23rd April 1820.

Peter (2) baptised 25th Dec 1822 and James (2) baptised January 30th 1831.

Along with Samuel, Elizabeth and Harriet they were all emigrants to South Australia.

I can’t find any details for Jane baptised on June 26th 1816 other than her baptism record.

Thomas Harvey, their father was the son of a single woman called Elizabeth Harvey. Later I think she married Thomas Cox and they had ten children, William, Edward, James, John, Samuel, Thomas junior?, Richard, Ann and Elizabeth.

Thomas Cox was the son of Edward Cox and Ann Matthews.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England Samuel Saunders the husband of Harriot Harvey also came from the town of Horsley where he was born on 25th April 1824. He was the eldest of four children of James Saunders and Susannah Brinkworth. In the 1841 census for the parish of Horsley in the Borough of Stroud, along with parents James Saunders an agricultural labourer and Susan (Susannah) Brinkworth, Samuel is listed age 16, with his siblings, Daniel 14, James 11 and Elizabeth 8. The transcripts give their address as Sharwell, Horsley. (Shadwell?) Samuel Saunders and Harriet Harvey were married in 1845. Both are listed as of ‘full age’ on their Marriage certificate. Harriet and her father Thomas Harvey are both listed as cloth weavers and Samuel and James Saunders as Labourers. Harriot shown as Harriet The first child to Harriet and Samuel a daughter Mary Ann was born on the 28th January 1848. I have her original birth certificate. She married Nathan Isaac Horner. In the early 1830s, and 1840s South Australia needed to attract people to a young colony. They did not have convicted criminals being sent from England as did the other states. South Australia was the only state of Australia with no penal settlement. A scheme of free or assisted passage often with grants of land was set up in Gloucestershire to encourage people to emigrate. The Director of one of the early South Australian Companies was one Henry Kingscote, a Gloucestershire man himself. Harriet’s eldest sister Elizabeth Harvey, baptised in Horsley on the 11th April 1814 married Thomas Brinkworth, a labourer, in May 1834. With their four children George, Joseph, Mary and John, all born in Horsley, they were emigrants to South Australia in 1839 as assisted passengers on the barque Somersetshire. Unfortunately John who was born in 1839 died at sea. Four more children were born to Thomas and Elizabeth in South Australia. Confusingly Daniel, 1844 and Harriet, 1846 were born at Nailsworth, a village north of Adelaide, now part of the City of Adelaide, in South Australia. In 1842 Thomas Brinkworth bought a block of land at Walkerville and built a house on it. William James, 1848 and Thomas, 1851 were then born at Walkerville, S. Australia.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England Of Harriet’s other siblings all born in Horsley: Peter Harvey (2) single aged 18yrs, a clothworker, sailed on the William Mitchell to South Australia in 1840. In 1845 he married Sarah Hancock at Walkerville in S. Aust. James Harvey (2) aged 22yrs a farm labourer sailed in 1849 aboard the Marion. He married Margaret O’Callaghan three years later in 1852 in South Australia also. Ann Harvey aged 30 yrs was sponsored by her brothers in 1850 and after a shipboard romance on the Trafalgar married Richard Green soon after disembarking. Samuel Harvey b. 1810 married twice, to Alice Etheridge, then Ann Hill before being successful with his application to migrate to South Australia. 1854?? The fact that all the Harvey children went to Australia accounts for the inscription

on the gravestone of Thomas and Maria.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England So two years after the birth of their daughter Mary Ann, Samuel and Harriet Saunders née Harvey also sailed as assisted passengers aboard the sailing ship Stag from Plymouth, Devon in 1850. The Stag was built at Deptford in the County of Durham in 1841 and was 678 & 9/10 tons burthen.

A document I found at the National Archives in London gives the following information about the ship: It had two poop decks, three masts, was square rigged with a standing bowsprit, had a square stern and was carvel built, with quarter galleries and with a BUST of a STAG at the head.

The South Australian Register in Adelaide for the 12th June 1850 shows they arrived as passengers on Tuesday the 11th June. They had been on board the ship since 22nd February 1850, some four months.

Samuel is listed as a Cornish Miner but this was probably so he could secure a passage, for South Australia needed miners and quarrymen. Horsley in Gloucestershire is quite a way from Cornwall.

About four years after arriving in South Australia on the Stag, Samuel went into partnership with a Charles Anderson in a quarrying operation. Saunders Quarry was beyond Mitcham in the Adelaide Hills. The partnership didn’t last however.

About this time though, Samuel had built for his family a five roomed Bluestone home which he called Rockness Hill.

Looking on Maps UK for Horsley and Nailsworth in Gloucestershire, I found to my surprise that the old road running between Horsley and Nailsworth by the side of the now B4058 was called Rockness Hill, and Rockness Hill itself is on the left of this road.

It seems Samuel Saunders became owner of the Hawkstone Arms in 1857 and in 1858 the Torrens Arms. In 1857 John Simmons, a mason built and became licensee of the Blythewood Inn at Torrens Park. This was the third licensed public house in Mitcham and was situated at the top of Muggs Hill Road. John Simmons then worked for Samuel Saunders in his Quarry. Samuel became licensee of the Blythewood Inn in 1864- 65. By 1873 John Simmons had married Mary Ann Horner. She was Nathan Isaac’s eldest sister, and his wife Mary Ann’s (nee Saunders) sister in law. It was John Simmons’ second marriage, his first wife Mary having died a year earlier.

In 1866 Samuel Saunders is recorded as having with Nathan Isaac Horner, his son in law built ‘Horner’s Bridge’ at Coromandel Valley. In 1867 he was the contractor with Nathan Isaac Horner to build Hallet’s Bridge also. It seems that from 1871–1873, Samuel was back at the Torrens Arms possibly because Harriet was very ill.

Harriet died in October 1873 at Lower Mitcham in South Australia, She is buried at North Road Cemetery.

Samuel Saunders soon remarried. In July 1874, Ellen Baker one of twelve children of Job Baker and Eliza Halliday became his second wife at the home of her father Job Baker. Job Baker was from Upleadon in Gloucestershire.

Samuel died in March 1895. He is buried at Mitcham Cemetery. Ellen his 2nd wife out lived him to die in January1920.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England Samuel Saunders and Harriet Harvey had had four more children after arriving in South Australia.

Besides Mary Ann b. 1848 in Gloucestershire were:

Harriot b. 1855, Henry James b. 1858, Elizabeth b. 1863, Samuel born April 30th 1867. All were born at West Mitcham.

Harriot Harvey baptised 1825 or Harriet Harvey??

Although on her baptism brief in Horsley she is recorded as Harriot, Harriet herself is spelt Harriet on her own wedding certificate and on her daughter Mary Ann’s birth certificate. (I have the three certificates.)

Both Harriet, mother and daughter are listed spelt with an ‘o’ on her daughter Harriot’s birth record in the ‘Digger discs’.

The birth records of her other three children, Henry James, Elizabeth and Samuel in Digger Discs all give her as Harriet. I have Samuel’s certificate and it is clearly Harriet

However on her death entry in Digger discs her name is spelt Harriett and the Royal Adelaide Hospital records for her final illness put an ‘e’ on that!

The death notice in the paper of 6th November 1873 names her as Harriet Saunders.

Harriet’s tombstone pictured below gives her name clearly as Harriet Saunders.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England The 1841 census below for the parish of Horsley, district of Stroud, Gloucester, which includes Harriet, gives her father as Thomas Harvey age 55 a weaver. Ann age 20 a weaver, Harriet age 16 a weaver and James aged 11 a cloth worker. We must remember that Maria, née Webb, their mother had died in 1840. Both Elizabeth Harvey, now Brinkworth, and Peter Harvey had already emigrated to South Australia. Samuel Harvey had married Alice Eldridge, and was later to marry Ann Hill before he too emigrated. There is no mention of Jane however.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England Samuel Saunders the youngest son of Harriet and Samuel Saunders was born on 31st March 1867 in Mitcham, South Australia. He went to live in Victoria and married twice. Firstly to Catherine Everitt in 1881 who had one daughter, Elsie. (Vic. newspaper gives accounts of divorce.) Oddly a man named King a step-brother of Catherine is cited in the proceedings. (Two King brothers married two Holly sisters.) Samuel remarried Dorothea Anderson in 1913, and lived in Big Pats Creek, Warburton Victoria. They are listed on the Australian Electoral Roll for 1919, 1924 and 1931 when they are joined by Henry James Saunders, Samuel’s brother, in 1931, 1936, 1937, and 1943, still in Big Pats, Creek Warburton In 1937 they are all there listed with the first daughter of Samuel and Dorothea. By 1943 another daughter also joins the Electoral Roll. In 1949 still in Big Pats Creek their only son Samuel Brinscombe Saunders born in 1918 is listed as a labourer along with his wife Elsa Winifred (Baron). Dorothea Samuel’s wife is listed but two other daughters do not appear.

Samuel Saunders died in 1950.

Samuel Brinscombe and Elsa continue to be listed in 1963, 1968, and in 1972 their first daughter arrives, and by 1977 a son is also listed. In 1980 their children are missing from the Electoral Roll.

Samuel Brinscombe died in 1983.

Two other daughters of Samuel and Dorothea do not appear on the Electoral Roll.

Henry James Saunders the eldest son was born 17th February 1858 never married. He went to Victoria also and is on the Australian Electoral Roll in Big Pats Creek, Warburton listed as a mason with Samuel’s family for the years 1931, 1936, 1937 and 1943. By this time he would have been 86years old. A death appears for a Henry James, at Wesburn? Victoria 19.11.1944. (261/vol.11)

Of Harriot Saunders, born 1.1.1855, Samuel and Harriet’s second daughter nothing is really known. However there is a death entry for a Harriet Sanders, (not Saunders) 23.4.1855, age fifteen weeks on Digger discs. This fifteen week date ties in with the first date shown above. There are no details of kin or place at all.

Oddly Harriet born 1.1.1855 does not appear as an entry in Mary Ann Horner’s (née Saunders) bible which I have. Only her four siblings are recorded. As we know MaryAnn Saunders the first child of Samuel and Harriet married Nathan Isaac Horner in 1866. (see Horner document)

Her younger sister, Elizabeth Saunders born in West Mitcham on 7th February 1863 married Edward Holly born in September 1884 at Mitcham. They married at the home of the bride’s parents (Rockness Hill) Mitcham. The notice in the paper of 20th September 1884 refers to her as Elizabeth (Lizzie) Saunders.

Their marriage certificate spells Edward’s surname Holly and is signed by him as Holly and his brother William the witness has signed Holly as his name, however father Charles is written in by the recorder as Holley.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England Elizabeth and Edward had five children:

Harriet Eva B. Holly, b.1886, married James Parslow McMillan in 1905, and lived on Ostrich Farm at Hackham, they had twelve children:

Constance Mary 1905, Doreen Berniece 1906, Eva Jean 1907, Elizabeth Blanche 1908, Ronald James 1910, Edward Lloyd 1912, William Keith 1914, Sydney Eric 1916-1918 Walter 1918-1918, Olive Marjorie1919, Gwenda Nellie 1921, Colin Stanley 1925.

I can remember catching the bus on many occasions with my Grandmother to visit her cousins, Auntie Eva and Uncle Jim, and some of their children and their children too.

Ethel Burnies Holly. (Elizabeth Bernice) b.1887, married Herbert James Gillingham Candy in 1915. Known children are Richard b. 1916, Laurel b. 1920 and James b.1927

Lloyd Holly. b.1890, married Gladys Rita Isabella Sparrow in 1914. Known children are William Edward Holly and Rosina Holly.

Charles Sydney Holly. b.1893, married Florence Eva Elizabeth Myrtle Myers in 1921. Three girls Beth, Cayley and Eva Bernice?, and one boy?

Edgar Thomas Holly. B.1895 married Reata Valerie Eldia Wapper in 1921. One girl, Nellie May

Elizabeth’s husband Edward Holly was born at Hackham in August 1861, he was the second son of Charles Holly b.1829, d.1899, and Elizabeth Collins b.1834, d.1911, who were married in Morphett Vale in August 1855 and lived on the ‘Olive Farm’ in Hackham.

Edward was actually the fifth of their twelve children, seven of them being girls.

Elizabeth Collins was the daughter of Edward Collins of Huntingdon, near Cambridge. They sailed to South Australia on the Caucasian in 1855.

Elizabeth Saunders and Edward Holly head a very large and extensive family.

Holly History. Charles Holly himself was the son of William Holly born in 1803, an agricultural labourer from Netherhampton (Wiltshire), and Fanny Sims, I think. The marriage of William to Fanny Sims appears for 7th November 1828 at Netherhampton, Wiltshire. Charles was born on 25th December 1829 in Netherhampton to William and Fanny. A second child Harriet born 24 June 1832 is also recorded to Fanny and William. However Fanny Sims/ Holly died 18th February 1838. William Holly then married Ketura Pearce on the 14th May 1838 at Heytesbury Wiltshire. She was born 28th August 1812 at Fugglestone St. Peter, Wiltshire. John Holly and James Pearce are listed as their fathers. In April 1840 William Holly applied for a free passage to the province of South Australia.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England He sailed to South Australia on the Appoline on the 14th June 1840 arriving on the 12th October 1840 with his wife, a son 10 years, and a daughter 7 years. Unfortunately no names appear on the ship’s passenger list for the wife and children.

The son I am sure is Charles Holly and the daughter probably Harriet Holly.

A marriage appears in Digger discs for a Harriet Holly, who in 1848 married at 17 a John Rayner, 27years, at Holy Trinity Church Adelaide. Seven children are listed, George 1857, Margaret 1859, Charles 1862, James 1864, Joseph, 1866, Fanny 1868, and Edward 1870. James and Joseph both died young in 1867.

A stepbrother to Charles is William Holly b.14th April 1841 at Hackham, S. Australia. He is from the second marriage of William Holly to Ketura Pearce.

I have found no death record for Ketura as yet. However, one of the children, a daughter of this son William b.1841, and Margaret (Lloyd), does take the name Edith Ketura. In 1841 the Golden Pheasant inn at Noarlunga was built and William sen. is associated with it until about 1853-4 when one Alfred Bock takes it over. From then on it is licensed and leased every few years for £80 pound a year.

The Golden Pheasant was a popular inn for whalers, who plied their trade along the coast.

In 1845 William purchased 78 acres of land in the name of William and Charles Holly, known as Olive farm. In 1846 a similar purchase was made in the name of William Holly and William Holly. In the Shipping News for the 27th February 1856. ‘Holly; Victoria Regia for London. Dep. 26.2.1856. ‘ William Holly had returned to England.

July 1858. A newspaper report: ‘Mr. Charles Holly is waiting and should hear soon from his father in England re the road through Hackham.’ and October 1858, ‘Mr. Charles Holly still refuses to come to an agreement for purchase of the land for the road to run through his and his father’s property.

A William Holly appears in the 1881 census for UK married to an Elizabeth Holly who was born in Goodhampton and is of the much younger age of 49. A third marriage for William?

William died in Southampton Hampshire on the 28th December 1834, an obituary notice appears for him on 28th February 1885 in the family notices of the South Australian papers:

. In June 1886 the probate on his will is £2664. In September 1886 an advertisment asking for claimants against his will appears in the South Australian papers too. The information given verifies his death in England.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England Holly or Holley?

The IGI lists the early records of William born 1803 as Holly. The copy I have of the wedding certificate for Edward in his marriage to Elizabeth Saunders, gives the surname as Holly, and brother William Holly is a witness and is signed by him as Holly. However his father is listed as Charles Holley by the recorder. The marriage entry for Edward and Elizabeth Saunders in Digger records gives both Edward and his father as Holley. The birth entry and death entry in Digger gives the spelling Holly for Edward and all the other children are listed as Holly too in Digger Discs. Their marriage entry, and silver wedding entries in the newspaper of the day give Holly for Elizabeth and Edward. All the records I looked at online at Genealogy SA give Holly as the surname for Charles and Edward and others. Interestingly the wedding announcement in the newspaper for Edward and Elizabeth Holly also asks for it to be copied to Victoria for all the family there. (Her brothers Samuel and Henry James?)

Other Holly references. On 26th March 1851 an Ellen Holly aged 21 sailed on the Marion from Plymouth. The Marion ran into difficulties off the coast of South Australia and was shipwrecked. The newspaper report of 2nd Aug 1851 makes interesting reading. See separate article.

Ellen married Daniel Jones at O’Halloran Hill. Her father is William on her marriage record. However I don’t think she is the daughter of the William Holly born 1803. Possibly this Ellen comes from Cranbourne, Dorset.

John Holly of Morphett Vale leased a section 3369 East of Bremer in 1857 from Edward Castle. I think that John is possibly William senior’s brother. John was born 27 Nov 1808 son of John and Martha Netherhampton.

William also born in Netherhampton has John as a father.

1851 census gives John born in Netherhampton, Wiltshire age 41 a Tea Dealer/Master with wife Mary 36, a seamstress and John A Stevens, nephew age 9 a scholar at home.

27th Nov 1854 Ship Abermarle from Portsmouth, ‘Mr and Mrs J Holly and Mr.W Holly.’

Was this brother John and his wife?

In 1852, and ‘53 a Charles Holly was importing goods.

In 1868, St Philip’s and St James’ church, Noarlunga Charles Holly was a Churchwarden and William Holly was a Sidesman.

Interestingly, James Harvey, Harriet’s brother and Ellen Holly both sailed on the Marion, but two years separated their voyages before the ship was wrecked.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England Getting back to the memorials, within the church of St Martin’s Horsley. On the wall inside there is a brass plate for the entrance to Daniel Saunders vault. Is this Daniel, our Samuel Saunders’ younger brother?

The second tomb, in the grounds of the church, is for another Harvey Family. It is a big vault and was overgrown with ivy. However when parting the ivy we were able to read the inscription on the stone slab on the top of the tomb. (The inscription is transcribed on the next page)

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England From ancestry sources, John Harvey was born in Tichmorend in 1799? He married Elizabeth Roberts born in Stonehouse in 1813. This family is seemingly unrelated to our family. This John’s parents were John Harvey and Sarah Ball. John was one of six children. The others are Hannah, Elizabeth, Sarah, John, Mary and Harriet. Besides the daughter Sarah mentioned born in 1853 on the tombstone they had a daughter Elizabeth Isabel Harvey. She was an earlier child born in 1850. Elizabeth Isabella married Thomas Benjamin Maysey Mills in 1871. They had twelve children , with many descendants.

WEBB FAMILIES. Within the church at Horsley we also found three very early 1700s plaques to Webb Family members. Richard Webb and Mary his wife. Also Mary their daughter.

Mary, the daughter of Nathaniel Webb.

Mr Edward Webb. I have not really looked for links as yet. Could they possibly be siblings of Maria’s Grandfather who was William Webb married to Mary Edge, or Great grandfather John Webb married to Margaret Hitchings? Much work to do here.

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England

The Harveys of Horsley, Gloucestershire. England

Memorial to Mr Edward Webb

Updated, April 2013