Vaccine Free Now What Transcript Lesson11

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and there's puss and always worse at night. A lot of drooling and it's a keynote ofMercury. So you'll see that the hands become shaky and all fine movements are a bittrembly and how you will distinguish between that and Gelsemium is simply because ofthe smell. Gelsemium won't have the smelliness that Baptisia will have and the MercSol will have.

DP:And we're at the end of our time together, so hopefully that gives you an idea. Iwould never wish the flu on anybody, but when it comes this is a good opportunity foryou to practise using your homeopathic remedies and figuring out what's needed. Sostart... It's quite safe for you to do at home, these acute, they have a beginning, a

middle, and an end. If the symptoms are getting worse then you that the person you'retrying to help needs to contact a homoeopath, a naturopath or their physician if it's notan epidemic or a pandemic. So are there any questions, concerns, clarifications,anything to share?

DP: I know we all have to get going, so I'm going to take everyone off mute, just sothat we can say our good-byes. Thank you everybody for being here today. Oh, we'vegot one hand up. Okay Jan, go ahead.

By Donna Powers RCSHom, CCH, RSHom (NA

VACCINE FREE:Now What?

STREPTOCOCCUS PNEUMONIAECall #11 Transcript


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Donna Powers: Welcome to the Vaccine Free: Now What? 12-week teleseminarcourse. This is class 11 where we will continue talking about the infectious illnessesthat are of most concern still in the first year of life. It used to be the second year of lifewhere there was a vaccine for it. Now it's in the first year of life where babies are beingvaccinated for the illness, streptococcus pneumoniae, and includes in today'sdiscussions bacterial pneumonia, meningitis and otitis media, which is ear infection.

DP: Streptococcus pneumoniae comes from a very large family of bacteria calledStreptococci. I want you to know this information simply because at one point oranother you have likely heard of some of this infections and this is a huge family ofbacteria. Earlier when we were talking about the diphtheria, when we talked about theDPT, the diphtheria pertussis and tetanus, we talked about how diphtheria resides inthe nose and the back of the throat, which is technically called the nasopharynx and inthe throat near the ear. These... And again, it is the same for the streptococcusbacteria. We have these in our whole mouth/ear/nose area of the body. Thestreptococcus and the staphylococcus are kind of hand in hand. They are there in thesame place.

DP:So strep and staph are kind of hand in hand and they live already inside of thebody. Now there are the streptococcus bacteria that destroy the red blood cells andother ones that don't. They all have these scientific names. My Clinical MicrobiologyMade Ridiculously Simple Edition 2has one whole chapter just on streptococcus. Andfor any of you who loves the science of this, I'm very intrigued by this whole group, thiswhole family of bacteria.

DP: So the Group A, and I'm only going over this because these are some of theillnesses that you will hear about and then will eventually get to the streptococcuspneumonia. But the Group A strep, has the little tag on it, pyogenes, and pyogenes hasto do with fire or inflammation or fever producing. And the strep A is the one thatcauses strep throat also is implicated in scarlet fever, rheumatic fever and post-streptococcal glomerulonephritis. I always had a hard time saying that word.

DP:So at some point, your child may be diagnosed with strep throat. This is one thatkeeps coming up now in homeopathic practise. Repeated strep throat infections whereantibiotics are given and in some instances where children have received several

vaccines, several antibiotics and have the beginnings of what I think of dysbiosis, willhave this recurring strep throat infections and it seems like there's almost a tippingpoint.

DP:I've got a little boy in my practise right now and I'm working very closely. We didnot want... For me I don't want to alarm parents and I can't diagnose, but he is, from

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what I can see, one strep throat infection away from PANDAS. And it's where poststrep throat infection. They develop these ticks or grimaces and it almost looks likeTourette's. And so I've seen more and more of it as a homoeopath, so there is some

kind of biology, that dysbiosis and connection with this whole strep. And we'll talkabout the vaccine that was introduced. There is a whole history with this as well.

DP:So with the strep A, you can get streptococcal pharyngitis, which is the sore throatand inflammation. You can get streptococcal skin infections. This is involved withscarlet fever. In Hahnemann's day, Belladonna was the genus epidemicus, whichsimply means it was the remedy used to treat and prevent scarlet fever in his days. SoBelladonna this could be the reason for it. If you read the symptoms of scarlet fever,they look very similar to the general and common symptoms of Belladonna.

DP:The other infection is streptococcal toxic shock syndrome. So if there is a delay,antibody mediated, it can move into this dramatic fever of glomerulonephritis whichinvolves the kidneys, and the kidneys and heart. So this is the concern. So,anecdotally, when my sister was I think about eight years old, her pediatrician wasamazing. She came over Christmas, and took one look at my sister and correctlydiagnosed that she had rheumatic fever. From that time on, she was hospitalized, andthen from the time she was eight until she was in her 30s or 40s she was on antibioticspreventatively. This was what was commonly done.

DP: I don't know how they treat rheumatic fever now, but part of the problem is withthese strep infections, they can dump their toxins into the blood and they can end up in

the kidneys or the heart. And then there is an increase of susceptibility for furtherinfections, either by strep or staph or some other opportunistic virus or bacteria that'salready within us as part of our microbiome inside of our bodies.

DP:So, the strep throat, the red swollen tonsils, pharynx, you can see the pus on thetonsils, and it usually lasts five days. Homeopathy should be able to help with this. Oneof the concerns with this whole strep family is the antibiotic resistance that ishappening with them and we'll talk about that more, as we go along.

DP:The skin infections can include even impetigo, and it's crusty and flaky, it's usuallyaround the mouth. So then there is concern with any kind of this bacterial infection

around the mouth, the nose, ears, throat, is the ability for these toxins that getsdumped by the bacteria back in the bloodstream to then cross the blood brain barrierand you get things like meningitis and bacterial meningitis, not just the viral.Homeopathy is actually very helpful in impetigo. I have seen a number of children withimpetigo and we have used things like Arum triphyllum, the Antimonium crudum,mezereum is another one. Rhus Tox possibly, and Rhus Tox is also a nice one for strep





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throat.

DP:So, the most serious skin infection complication that you can get with this strep Ais necrotising fasciitis or flesh eating disease. And this is also related to the MRSA,Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus Aureus. So you can see again where the strep andthe staph, together when the immune system is compromised that these two seem tobe one or the other, and you create these situations where the skin starts todisintegrate. Often, antibiotics therapy is what is recommended in conventionaltreatment.

DP: So, the necrotising fasciitis can be caused by the strep or by staph or theClostridium species. This is the C difficile that you hear about. And it's one of theinfections that you can pick up in hospitals. This is the same one where they are nowdeveloping poop banks in Toronto for children. And you can just see some of theconnections, and I just wish I had my biology degree so I could make all theseconnections for you. But just know, that if you persist you will be able to find this out.

DP: The other one is scarlet fever. Now an interesting sign and symptom of scarletfever is that the whole body turns red. For whatever reason, the face is spared. So, ifyour child has the fever and has this rash from the neck down, you can suspect scarletfever. I haven't heard of anybody having scarlet fever these days. And thenstreptococcal toxic shock syndrome, again it's a combination the strep or the staphaureus. And it can also release the toxin into the blood. Antibiotic treatment is what istypically turned to in conventional treatments.

DP: So, my old book said with the advent of penicillin, rheumatic fever is nowuncommon. So, we may not have rheumatic fever so much, but there are a lot of otherconditions that children are facing in a chronic illness kind of way. With the rheumaticfever, you get fever, there is heart inflammation, joint swelling, arthritis, chorea which isthis funny movements, twitches and uncontrollable. And there are nodules under theskin. Now, I mentioned this, simply because my sister has had joint pain all of her life.

And Ellen, let me just put you on... Go ahead, Ellen.

Ellen:I just wanted to say that I had scarlet fever as a child, and was extremely sick. Iwas sick for, I think about six weeks I missed school.

DP:Yeah. Yeah.

Ellen:And for the whole month, I could not get out of bed. It was horrible.

DP:Right, and how old were you? Do you remember?





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Ellen:It was in grade two. So, I would have been seven, seven-eight.

DP:Oh, interesting, and it's not likely you had any vaccines at that point, so it's justkind of... Yeah. It's part of your history, which is good to know.

Ellen:Yeah.

DP:Thanks for sharing that. Yeah.

Ellen:Sure.

DP:Okay. I'll put you on mute again. So, again, a concern with rheumatic fever is theinvolvement of the heart, and my sister was for years and years and years on

antibiotics. As I have grown in my homeopathy, I have given her homeopathicStreptococcinum. Probably one of the remedies I've given her that completely knockedher flat, but she did feel much, much better after it in terms of her joint pain and herarthritis. The other remedy to consider with Streptococcinum is Rhus Tox. You'll getvery similar symptoms with the two of them, and Rhus Tox has been a good remedy forher as well.

DP: So, if your child also has a strange, Coca-Cola coloured or tea-coloured urine,then you will want to get to the doctor right away especially if the face is puffy, and itmay mean that there has been some interaction or some... That the kidneys have beenaffected with a post-strep glomerulonephritis. I'll learn how to say that one of these

days. So that's the group A strep, and you will likely have over your life time of raisingkids, have some experience with that.

DP:The group B strep is the one where 25% of women carry these bugs vaginally andthe baby can acquire these bacteria during delivery. And the complications of thatwould be meningitis, pneumonia and sepsis, which is blood poisoning. So, I'm not surewhat to say about this because vaginal birth is quite important. I mean, there's goodreasons why there are C-sections, but vaginal birth is one of those opportunities forbabies to have their very sterile, internal microbiome seeded by what's in the mum'swhole biology and body.

DP: So how this figures in, you know, you can read recent research about theinvolvement of C-sections, and this is not to make anybody feel guilty. If you need a C-section, you need a C-section or if you're in that emergency situation and the doctorsare starting to make those decisions for you, this is what you do. But, we can approachit from the whole aspect of learning how to support our children's gut, whole gut, after.





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DP:The only thing with neonates, which are brand new babies with meningitis, just areminder, they may not have the classic stiff neck, and they may just have verynonspecific signs such as fever, vomiting, poor feeding, and irritability, and this is whyyou are told by your doctors and nurses that a fever for children under two months isnot normal. You need to get them to the hospital right away. This is the concern. Thatthere is a secondary bacterial meningitis developing. And what they will do is a lumbarpuncture with that one.

DP: So then there are a couple of other groups. There's one group of strep thatinvolves all of the mouth and the teeth, and the one that involves the heart. So, again,anytime there's abscesses in the mouth or if there's dental issues, there's guminfections, so you start to think about these too in terms of what some children areexperiencing on a chronic level when their immune systems are so compromised rightnow. So, is there a strep infection going on in the mouth as well?

DP:The other group is a group D, and these are in the bowel, and that's simply calledthe enterococci. So anytime you hear entero, then you know that this is involving thebowel, the human intestines. And this group D strep is considered normal bowel flora,and they grow in the bile, and they are commonly the agent in urinary tract infections.So, when everything is working well and healthy in the bowel, then these bugs, thesestrep D, are just there. But when you're in the hospital, these can becomeopportunistic, and when immune systems are compromised, when microbiome or thegut is out of whack in the bowel area, then these streps and staphs are able toreproduce.

DP:And when they're able to reproduce and the body's not able to keep up with theelimination through discharges and then this is when you would get diarrhoea, but ifthey're not... If the body is not able to keep up with this, then you have thisopportunistic infections and the toxins then get dumped into the bloodstream and theytravel throughout into the organs.

DP:This edition of my microbiology textbook is 1999. So my children then were wellinto their teens, but they knew then that these enterococcus were now resistant toampicillin and vancomycin and they were recommending these fluoroquinolone drugs,which now again are ending up creating a lot of neurological problems. The

ciprofloxacin, that's another one and then there was... In 1999 they speak of a newerclass of drugs, the pristinamycins. And again, as the staph and strep start to grow andproliferate, then you see these incidences of C difficile starting to show up.

DP:So the strep pneumoniae, which is what the vaccine, Prevnar, was all about. Thestrep pneumonia bacteria is a common cause of pneumonia and this is bacterial





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pneumonia and it's typically on the one lobe or the other and there's a fever with it andshaking chills. So these are the common symptoms. It's also... This bacteria is themost common cause of otitis media, middle ear infection, in children and the most

common cause of bacterial meningitis in adults. So right now there's antibioticresistance as well for some of the ear infections and to the meningitis. This was in 1999and they knew then that these bacteria were developing and evolving so that they werenow antibiotic resistant.

DP: So that's how I'm going to mention to you about the strep. So there's differentkinds and this was the idea in the early years when my boys were being vaccinatedwas that they were given their DPT and then they were given their MMR, so the DPTwith polio, then the MMR, and then we saw an increase in the Haemophilus influenzaeB. So at two years of age, the HiB vaccine in the early '80s was then introduced. Andthen what you've started to see was proliferation of strep infections, ear infections andpneumonia.

DP:And what they did to resolve that was to introduce the pneumococcal vaccine andit was marketed as Prevnar. There are 90 strains of this bacteria that are knownthereare possibly more. I don't know how they can arrive at just 90. So in the '80s, thechildren were then introduced to the Prevnar vaccine, which was also then marketed asa vaccine to prevent ear infections. So in my boys' state, after they received theHaemophilus influenzae B vaccine, with just my oldest, I don't think I got it for myyoungest, what I did see was a huge increase in the number of ear infections both boyshave. They probably had three or four a year and of course they were treated by

antibiotics.

DP:So that's some of the history. And Hillary Butler is the same age that I am; herchildren are the same age that I am. I wish I had access to the information at that point.I didn't know Hillary Butler then, but she gives a tremendous historical documentationof what has actually happened with those vaccines. So promoted as preventingmeningitis, pneumonia bacterial and bacterial ear infections.

DP:Now, the National Vaccine Information Centre actually opposes a pneumococcalvaccine mandate. You can go... They've likely updated their website since I have spentsome of my research for this. And what has happened with that original Prevnar

vaccine that had targeted seven strains of the bacteria is now off the market. This is thevaccine that my children would have had on... No, actually they didn't have the... Yeah,the one had the Prevnar. No, he didn't. He had the HiB, but then not the Prevnar. We

just lived through the ear infections.

DP:But the children, after some of their peers did get this Prevnar vaccine with the





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idea that it was going to prevent ear infections and all it did was simply create anenvironment where the other strains of the bacteria could survive. Now in 2007, in theNational Post, you will get a copy of the one article and the link to the other article. So

in 2007, which is six years ago, the headline is "Doctors Fear Ear Superbugs AilingChildren" and it's with acute infections. And I highlighted the approval in 2000 ofPrevnar, so my boys would have been six and 10, and so they did not have it.

DP:"A vaccine that protects against seven strains of the bacteria has overall slashedear infections by about 25%, but now other strains have begun to flourish with overuseof antibiotics. The new super germ, a strain called 19A, has adapted and learnt how toresist all 18 approved antibiotics for childhood ear infections. Prevnar didn't cause thisbacteria." Dr. P, we'll call him, says, "Suggesting the problem stems from the overuseof antibiotics for coughs and colds that were not necessary." While in fact what it didwas, is to simply create an environment where the other 90 minus seven, so what, 83strains of bacteria could proliferate.

DP:The 19A is now in the vaccine. And in Canada, I checked with the immunizationguide, and they have different pneumococcal vaccines for different age groups, andthey're starting them as young as two months now. So, yes, as young as two months,invasive pneumococcal disease. So the seven has been taken off the market and thenthey have several variations up to vaccine, the Pneumovax, which has 23 strains in it.

DP: They knew what was happening. That was in 2007. The impetus then was tocreate more and more vaccines. Then, in March 31, 2008, they talk about the

Pneumovax vaccine, and little known lung infections sores among children. So again,you will have a copy of this, or you will have the link to this. Thankfully, this article, youcan still find this on the Internet. But the lung infection, no one is sure what is behindthis worrisome trend or why children have been hit so hard, but drug resistance amongsome bacteria linked to the ailment called empyema may be at least partly to blame.So, what happened was, is fatal lung infections have soared among young children andclimbed significantly in all age groups in recent years, putting a burden on the healthcare system.

DP:Between 1995 and 2003, rates jumping more than 450% among children aged oneto four over that period. This is really serious, this empyema, because as much as a

pint of pus can build up putting pressure on the lungs that causes shortness of breathand pain. One distressing finding was that the numbers had doubled in patients under19, quadrupled in the one to four years age group, suggesting that children are highrisk group for empyema that needs attention.

DP: So one reason, this is actually in the article, one reason might be the





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pneumococcal vaccines children receive to prevent meningitis, pneumonia and otherillnesses, although they have saved thousands of lives, the vaccines might also haveresulted in greater incidents of one stereotype of the streptococcus pneumoniae

bacteria not covered by the shot, which in turn is the main trigger of empyema inchildren.

DP:If you have a resistant bacteria, now you're getting the natural history of untreatedpneumonia as of 100 years ago, and empyemas were not terribly uncommon then. Sothe history is there. Why no one... I'm not going to get on a rant about that. There's theinformation, there's some history and just know because I am offering this course, youhave somebody who historically has lived through this, and I feel like it was justbeginning of what has happened to many of our children, and there's some children farmore serious.

DP: In your handout, you will also be receiving some information by Dr. F. EdwardYazbak, he's a medical doctor, a pediatrician, who, and this is in his bio, devotes histime to the research of autoimmune regressive autism and vaccine injury. Any of hiswork is really, really good. It will be in your handout and you will see, again, some of thehistory of what has happened. So if you look back to the '80s when the vaccines wereintroduced sooner, but of course, I was just starting to have my children in my later20s, how the evolution of these chronic illnesses with children has evolved side-by-side with the increased number of vaccines.

DP: So the unintended consequences game is what my husband and I play. It was

after I read out an article to him and it can be anything from... In a country wherethey've put another species of animal to destroy another part of a population, and theunintended consequence was then, there was this proliferation of this particular animalthat was introduced into an environment where it didn't belong. It's just such anamazing metaphor for exactly what is happening with the health of our children, I think.

DP:So he actually quotes Hillary Butler because her research is quite impeccable. Andhe asked the question did we trade invasive Haemophilus influenzae B forpneumococcal invasive disease? Would pneumococcal invasive disease have becomesuch a problem in the '90s if HiB vaccination had not been introduced? Was there acausal relationship between the two? Or was it simply a casual and temporal

relationship, just a coincidence?

DP:So again, he talks about the planned use of Prevnar to "prevent ear infections."Now many doctors are now aware, pediatricians are aware of the overuse ofantibiotics. Although I have parents who tell me otherwise, it seems like walk-in clinicsare a bit notorious for over prescribing antibiotics, but most are careful with ear





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infections, especially if it's a viral ear infection, then an antibiotic is not going to help.

DP:So I know with my own kids, when our granddaughter has had ear infections, theyare extremely cautious. And even when they do prescribe antibiotics, usually we're ableto find a homeopathic remedy. Oddly enough, it's my son who panics first and wants toput her on antibiotics right away. So even in families where somebody knowshomeopathy, you can still have disagreements about how to treat children.

DP:So in the American Academy of Pediatrics 2004, approximately 80% of childrenwith acute otitis media get better without antibiotics. And children whose ear infectionsare not treated immediately with antibiotics are not likely to develop a serious illness.Hopefully that is changing. So this study that you will get also makes the statementthat the incidence of pneumococcal bacteremia has decreased. What has increased isE. Coli, salmonella and staph aureus. So the whole biology of the gut and even theblood has been completely disturbed and there has been an opportunity for whatotherwise are fairly benign viruses and bacteria in the system are now proliferatingbecause of this disturbance that has been introduced.

DP:So right now, the success of the HiB conjugate vaccines in preventing HiB, thenstrep pneumonia became the leading cause of bacterial meningitis in infants. You willhave all those statistics in your handout. So there is an implication of the overuse ofantibiotics turning strep pneumonia into a dreaded and serious pathogen when it'snormally just in the body. There has been an introduction of a 23-valent pneumococcalvaccine which still leaves a number of other bacteria in the strep family that won't be

covered.

DP:And there you go. There is the connection between the history of the vaccines andthe illnesses that have come up as children begin to get older. So are there anyquestions or clarifications needed at this point? Or anything that you've observed, evenwith your own children with strep infections, if they've had them, or ear infections?Okay, Cam, let me put you on mic, go ahead.

Cam: Hey, I have a couple of questions about the different types of strep and thedifferent vaccines. So Prevnar is gonna... You said it's seven different strains, right?

DP:That was the original one.

Cam:Are they all strep A?

DP:Now, let me see, when I go to the... I don't know what you have in the US, butwhen I went to the public health agency of Canada, the Canadian immunization guide,





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the pneumo 7, C7, is not in use anymore. So what they have now is a Prevnar 13. Andthey also have one that has a 10, which is called Synflorix, and that includes the Hi andthe DPT which...

Cam:Okay. The one that my son got did not have HiB or DPT in it.

DP:Okay. So he likely had the pneumo 10. So he may have had the pneumococcal 23-valent.

Cam:Well he had a separate pneumococcal one.

DP:Okay. So again, I would have to go by brand name.

Cam:Okay.

DP: And what I've got here for the pneumo 23, these are... They actually list theserotypes in the pneumococcal vaccine. They've got 4, 9V, 6B, 14, 18C and then 19Fthat was the one that proliferated after the pneumo C7, so 23F1. So they list them all.Now you'd have to look each of those up separately.

Cam:To find out what's what?

DP:Yeah.

Cam: Is there only one strain of strep that would be associated with PANDAS or isPANDAS... It can be any of them?

DP:You know, I don't know, and this is why when I open up my book, I always go, "Ireally want to know about this strep because this seems to be where the kids aredeveloping really serious illnesses." So yes, MMR, but...

Cam: So my son... He had strep, that I know of, he's had it six times. And he hasPANDAS and he has Tourette's. He no longer has an autism diagnosis, but he has. Andwhen we did his very first stool kit, you know the gut tests, it showed that the twobacteria that were there were enterococcus and strep A, not step B. Strep A was offthe charts in his gut.

DP:Interesting. So strep A is the one that has to do with the strep throat, and it is thepart that's the enterococcal one. So I'm wondering if your homoeopath has looked intothe Streptococcinum nosode.





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Cam: Nosode? No, and that's something that... I'm thinking about it and I'm alsoconsidering just doing a clear and seeing what happens, but for the Tourette'sassociated with all of this, we tried Belladonna, we tried stramonium and they didn'ttouch it.

DP:Yeah. So, again this is using homeopathy, yes, in a very specific kind of way and Ithink that as homoeopaths we are learning how to do this more and more. And again, itwould have to... You would want to work with your homoeopaths to look at thetimeline. So, did the bowel stuff come before the autism diagnosis? Was the PANDASthere before or after?

Cam: Well I can tell... This is what I think happened. I think that part of it was there allalong, but it... What I really truly think happened, is that his one constitutional that he

was on for like a year, but that's when we lost our diagnosis. It was amazing; it did somuch work. That was carcinosin. And at the same time he had a Lyme diagnosis. Ithink we've got some miasms stuff going on, but I also think that he... When thathappened, it took away what we would consider autism and this is the layer that wasunderneath.

DP:Right. And so yes this is my understanding. We're going to be studying with JohnMelnychuk in April, but this is what I would really want to work with parents with, is tosee if we could work at this layer. It's like... You're exactly right, it's like a miasmaticblock whether it's the vaccine or what it is, but these... So at two months, the pneumoC13 is given here in Canada. So I...

Cam: Well he got... This is the thing that really bothers me, is that when I'm sitting herelooking at his timeline, and he got a Prevnar in September, another one in November,and another one in January, and also had a pneumococcal in December. So in thespace of basically five months, he had four vaccines that are strep.

DP:Yeah. So...

Cam:In addition to all the other ones.

[chuckle]

DP:Yeah. So just as a suggestion to bring to your homoeopaths, ask them about justdoing a clearing of first, the pneumococcal and go back in time. So do thepneumococcal first, 'cause it was the last one where you noticed changes or if it'shistorically what happened. So this is the CEASE therapy, which I'm not trained in, soI'm only guessing on that part. But if you do the pneumococcal and then you go back





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in time and so you can actually get potentized Prevnar, but you would have to find outwhich Prevnar your child was given. So right now they use 13...

Cam:Oh, I have the manufacturer and the lot number and everything.

DP:Everything, yeah. So, you can sometimes... Some of the homeopathic pharmaciesare now potentizing the vaccines. And the reason they make a distinction, so you wantto find out if it is the homeopathic preparations of the bacteria or virus, so the nosode,or if it's the vaccine. Because with the vaccine you're getting all of the constituents ofthe vaccine itself, which is sometimes really important, if there has been a never beenwell since the vaccine as opposed to never been well since the disease.

Cam:Yeah, no, this has never been well since the vaccine.

DP:Yeah. So, you might look at that. I do have the streptococcus pneumoniae picturehere in front of me with that one reference textbook, but I don't know that I've got theentero. I've got the one that causes the scarlet fever and that's one...

Cam: Well, and what the other thing that I should mention, when my son has strepthroat, I know it way before they can even culture it and get a positive culture.

DP:Ah.

Cam:Because he turns into a completely different person overnight.

DP:So, have you got an acute homeopathic remedy for that kind of sore throat?

Cam: No, every time it's ever happened, I've ended up on antibiotics because I haven'tbeen able to... I haven't known what to do and like I said, when we've tried... We'vetried Belladonna. Weve tried stramonium, at the time. But with PANDAS, the idea thatthe body is attacking its own basal ganglia cells, that scares me.

DP:Yes, yes. Talk to your homoeopaths about using homeopathic Streptococcinum.

Cam:Okay, just the nosode?

DP:Yeah, just the nosode for... Because there's a whole picture for it. There is... It's ahomeopathic picture for it. So, just go through the... This is the one for thePneumococcinum. So, it's possible that... I don't know what's happening in his bodybecause, you know... But I can only give you the symptoms of the... So, this is the





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strep pneumoniae symptom picture. The mind is depressed, anguished conditionassociated with pain all over the cervical and dorsal regions accompanied by fears ofimpending disease, of death, of going out, wants to stay home.

DP: So, with a child, they might not want to go to school. There's a weakness ofmemory and a weary of life. Their gastrointestinal symptoms, their respiratory tract,they'll feel like there's a feather in the throat, a cough in the morning after breakfast, adry cough and cold or hot air worse entering a warm room, and then, clearing thethroat, an incessant cough unproductive, worse at night with nausea, must stoop to beable to cough. So, that would be an unusual symptom. Coughing causes a headacheand loss of urine. So there are specific symptoms with that.

Cam:Okay.

DP:I don't know if you'll be able to find that on the Internet, but your homoeopaths, ifthey've got this Frans Vermeulen book, they will have access to that and there's somecases in there...

Cam:What's the name of the book again?

DP:This one is Monera Kingdom Bacteria and Viruses by Frans Vermeulen. It's very,very good. And when you get to read the cases, the cured cases with it, it really helpsto sort of understand kind of that picture.

Cam:Okay.

DP:That goes with it.

Cam: Well, I will definitely get that because I can tell you that within the autismcommunity, I would say, at this point, we... The number of children dealing withPANDAS is at least half.

DP:Really?

Cam:Yeah.

DP:Wow! So, I'll tell you what, Cam, I am...

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not... My thing with getting the diagnosis because he doesn't titre.

DP:Right.

Cam:So, one of the ways they diagnose it right is through...

DP:A titre.

Cam: The high titres, but the fact that even when he has been diagnosed with anactive infection, you can check in two weeks later, and there's no titres.

DP:Yeah.

Cam:So, you can't use that as the only way to diagnose this.

DP:Right. Well, the other one...

Cam:But yes, something to know.

DP:Right. The other streptococcus is the pyogenes. So, Vermeulen talks about thatone as well. And this is the one... Of course, this is the strep A, and this is the one thathas one of the complications of the disease itself, if they have the disease, is thischorea. So, these Saint Vitus' Dances, involuntary moving, and...

Cam:That's what my son has.

DP: Yeah and so, again, it's that whole situation of what a disease can cause, avaccine can cause the same thing.

Cam:Right.

DP:And then it's repeated.

Cam:So what's the... Is that the strep nosode then for that one?

DP:Yes. So he's got a whole section on this, and there's no way I could go through allof it here.

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DP: But it is a textbook, I think, that would be helpful for anyone in the autismcommunity where they are dealing with this particular strep bacteria. In whatever form,and I think that's what depends on the individual soil of the whole microbiome, andthat would determine which one tends to take over. So I've had children that expressmore the rheumatism aspects of it, and more with repeated sore throats, and my sisterwas that. She had the joint pain. And I did give her just the Streptococcinum. And so...But this pyogenes for scarlet fever, it's got pieces in there as well.

Cam:Okay.

DP:David Riley is the one who has done the approving of Streptococcinum.

Cam:Okay.

DP:So, the ideological factors, we may consider the prescription of Streptococcinumin chronic disease where there is a history of acute streptococcal infection, veryprobably including severe infection in the mother during pregnancy. And I would sayeven any mother given that vaccine. Given such a history, there are two kinds of caseswhere consideration of comparatively unproved remedies seems justifiable. First, whenthere's unsatisfactory response to a well-chosen medicine. And secondly, wherestreptococcal infection immediately precedes chronic illness. So, you know, repeatedtonsillitis, artificial teeth, dental stuff.

Cam:Oh yes. He had $4,000 worth of dental work done before he's four.

DP:Yeah. So, this is all strep. I suspect that this is the miasmatic or the grafted-onmiasm from vaccines. It's the strep.

Cam:Okay.

DP:So the mind weeping, there's a lot of weeping, better in the open air, tormentingthoughts, thinks he'll become insane, hopeless of condition and cure. Auditoryhallucinations, hears cries for help. Suspicious of people talking about her, fear ofbeing attacked, dreams of being shot. Homesickness, changeable mood, hurry, haste.

And there are sensations in that, so there's a lot of good information in Vermeulen's

book. Plus, here's some cases. A case of impetigo, and that one's been cured with thisStreptomycin 1M.

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DP:Yeah. So does that help?

Cam:Yes. Thank you. It gives me some stuff to start looking at.

DP:Yeah. Yeah, it does. It does. And it's amazing to me how many parents know somuch more than the doctors right now. They just don't have time, I don't think, to keepup with this.

Cam: Well, you know, they also... Look at who they're relying on for their continuingeducation.

DP:Yes, the pharmaceutical reps that comes in.

Cam:Yeah. So...

DP:Yeah. Okay, well I'm going to continue on now...

Cam:Well, thank you.

DP:You're welcome, Cam. I'm going to continue on with the signs and symptoms ofstrep pneumonia. So one of the really helpful websites I found was just the FreeMD,FreeMD.com. Streptococcus pneumoniae symptoms. And what I liked about thisparticular website was that it would give you the... It gives you the abnormal breathingrates, so you can pay attention to this with your child. My recent newsletter is all about

how do you know when you need help, when your child is so sick that you need to goto the doctor and get medical help. This will help you discern some of that.

DP: So anytime it's, so I've said it before, breathing, blood, bones, or brain, whichwould include brain inflammation, meningitis, encephalitis, you have to go to thedoctor. So even just recently, a parent who was going to be coming to see me in thenew year for homeoprophylaxis, sent me a video of her child breathing. Well, I justheard it once and she said, "But I don't want to go to the hospital," and "You have toget to the hospital. We will deal with things after."

DP:So again, a good homeopathic remedy on the way, and then she was able to justslip it into the child during her time there. But he did need intervention, oxygen levelsneed to be tested. But with this website link, it gives you an idea of how childrenshould be breathing, so six months to one year, the upper normal is 40 breaths perminute, and if you find your baby, your six-month-old to your one-year-old, is breathing60 breaths per minute, that's not normal, and you need to be heading to the hospital.



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DP:So, it's really nice. This gives you a really practical idea when you're at home. Sothe common symptoms of the strep pneumonia are a cough, a chest congestion andcoughing up thick mucus. And the mucus may be green, brown, yellow, or tan. So,often when you get these colourful rainbow discharges, often it is suggestive of abacterial infection. So, if you haven't gone to the doctor for an assessment, you needto be very aware that this is possibly what your dealing with, and it can develop into amore serious bacterial infections, secondary infections.

DP:The coughing may have blood in it. Chest pain when taking a breath or chest painwhen coughing. So with homeopathy, we're going to some of the remedies. Bryonia isa big one, but you'll see the children sometimes crying before they cough, an indicationfor Arnica. Holding the chest or head when they're coughing is often characteristic ofBryonia, so again you see the common symptom of chest pain when coughing, look forwhat is specific. What is your child or baby doing, in terms of behaviour or physicalkinds of characteristics? So that can often lead to homeopathic remedy that will bevery helpful.

DP:Fever, sore throat, there could be nausea and vomiting, fatigue, headache, bodyaches and pains, and the rapid breathing. The other thing that's very nice about thisparticular link is that they do have some video. And so that's kind of nice to see. Thenyou move into the severe symptoms, if the fever is high, so 103 degrees, and againwe've talked about it before, there's usually a top number that your child will stop at,that it's just built in with the immune system and it won't go past that. If you have afever that increases very quickly, this is where you can get the febrile seizures, but you

want to exercise good caution and intuition with your fevers. We can use homeopathicremedies for that and not just Aconite and Belladonna or Ferrum Phos, which is amuch slower one. So you'll want to make sure you have all of your steps in place thatyou are doing all of the things you need to do before you take your action to go to thedoctor or hospital.

DP:Excessive perspiration can happen. The cough can get very severe, shortness ofbreath, wheezing, and cyanosis. So you want to see this is one way to tell if the air isgetting into your child or not, is whether the lips or nail beds turn blue. What thatmeans, is that there's a lack of oxygen in the system. So you have to be watching forthese signs and symptoms of lack of oxygen in children. I actually sent that to the

young mum this week and I said if your child has any of these, I mean when I heardhow the child sounded, it was enough to say, that's a hospital visit. But you have toknow what the signs and symptoms are of difficult respiration. It's called dyspnea. Arapid heart rate. And then if there's excessive sleepiness or confusion you really, reallyneed to get to the hospital at this point.





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DP:One of the other ways to know if there's difficulty breathing, you'll see the ribs willkind of retract. It's like a little dent in the abdomen. The nostrils will flare, it's the body'sway of trying to get more oxygen in, so you'll see the nostrils flare out. Again, thecyanosis, the nail beds or lips turn blue, any dry skin or dry mouth then you're movingtoward dehydration. And it's possible, that if you get your child to the hospital, youknow, you're aware, you've researched this, you know it all the signs and symptomsare. If the doctors rule out any secondary bacterial infection, then you can just askthem more about hydration. And again, you have to judge who you're working with interms of who you get in an emergency situation. You may have a doctor or nurse whoare very willing to work with you on that.

DP:So any wheezing, rapid pulse, rapid breathing then you know that you're really...Any wet sounds in the bronchi, they call it rales, and your doctor will be able to testthat. Unless you have a stethoscope at home and then you can hear all of thatcrackling and all of those sounds that are in the lungs, then you know you're dealingwith bacterial pneumonia possibly. So when you get there to the hospital, they want todo a blood count, and they will be doing tests to determine if it's bacterial pneumonia.Likely a chest x-ray, they'll be checking oxygen levels, blood cultures, and then it'spossible they might want to scope the airways, which can be very distressing for kidsand for parents.

DP:For any kind of procedure where a tube has been inserted through the mouth, orthrough the anus, or through the vagina, or any part of the skin, you can considerStaphysagria, and especially where it's called sphincters. Anytime when there's been

any of the openings in the body have been forced to open even further, alwaysconsider Staphysagria. Staphysagria is a big remedy as well for any kind of surgerieswhere there's an incision and a penetration through any protective area of the bodywhere it feels like a violation. So even though the parent, if you're experiencing thatwhile watching your child having these interventions, give yourself some Staphysagriaas well and any Aconite as well which will deal with any of the anticipation and theanxiety and the shock.

DP: It's possible they'll do a spit, sputum culture test, CT scan and they'll want toexclude viral infection. So this is when your child is really sick. So I don't know whattests this mum would have had done last night, but she was able to keep giving

Spongia as well so she was able to come home this morning and her child is doingquite well and sleeping. And then they'll want to rule out other kinds of illnesses aswell, possibly do a urine test. So this is what you can expect if you think that it's somekind of pneumonia, these are all of the symptoms as well for adults and the elderly. Sowho's most vulnerable with this are your very young children and your elderly. Soremember these symptoms if you have an aging parent or in a nursing home, these are





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the kinds of things that will present themselves as well.

DP:So treatment, possibly, so this is conventional, IV antibiotics and justknow, someparents that I've spoken with feel like this is a huge failure on their part. That they haveto go to the hospital. This is not failure, this is huge success that you know the signsand symptoms and what you need to do. So even the most well meaning and reallyexperienced Homoeopaths sometimes does not get the remedies right or if the remedyis right, you've moved into a really serious situation very quickly, give the remedy onthe way and just know that afterwards, you can pick up some of the pieces and startagain. And hopefully you're just that much further along the road to supporting yourchild's immune system.

DP:So it may be already antibiotics and if possible a lumbar puncture. So with lumbarpunctures, you want to think of remedies like Ledum which is used for insect bites,puncture wounds and also with Hypericum. Hypericum has a very big affinity for thenerve so anything to do with the spinal cord. So even if your child is in the hospital andthis is happening to them so it's happening to the family, bring your little kit in andwhen you have time available, you can do this. And I leave that to you and your owngood judgement whether you're telling the doctors what you're doing or not doing.

DP: So bed rest, medications, they will want to reduce fever and address theheadache. Again because you're on their ground with their rules and you're in theemergency situation, we can work afterwards. I like to believe, I don't have any studiesto support this, I would like to believe that as you are giving homeopathic support that

there will be less likelihood of complications from the treatment not just the disease butthe treatment itself.

DP:Oxygen might be required especially if there's been breathing problems. So youalso have to know going in what your child's allergies may be to antibiotics becauseagain there are so many with the pneumonia with the strep pneumonia, there are somany antibiotic resistant bacteria now. They may have to go through more than oneand again you have to weigh the benefits and risks with the cephalosporin.

DP:So in the follow up email, I will put a link, Dr. Mercola is way ahead of everybody,as he often is, with his research with the cephalosporin antibiotics and the MRSA drug-

resistant bacteria. You will likely be required inhalers, steroids, cough medications,decongestants, so you know work with the doctors and figure out which ones youwant, which ones you don't want and go with it from there. So that link is FreeMD.comand it's for streptococcus pneumonia.

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amount of reading. If you can keep up with the reading, you'll be really glad you tookher courses. So anything by Sheri Nakken, is great. So some of this information hascome from her research and the first thing she says about pneumococcal disease and

homeopathic treatment, there is no self-treatment if indeed it has progressed tomeningitis or pneumonia or bacteremia or sepsis.

DP:So again remember, this is because the bacteria have been feeding on the wholeenvironment. The house that houses, everything that basically lives together,something has happened that the strep or the staph or the C difficile is now eating ontoxins, we have a house cleaning. And if the immune system is not able to keep upwith the toxins that the strep is dumping into the bloodstream, then you have thesecondary infections and complications which can include the blood poisoning andthen pneumonia, and that's what sepsis is, is blood poisoning.

DP:So, life saving measures are needed by your conventional medical doctors but youcan use your homeopathy with it. It's not going to interfere. The ear infection,homeopathy is brilliant with ear infections. When you get the remedy right, you'll justsee a complete change in your child. So with homeopathy, it's possible that you will, bytreating it at fever, the very beginning stages, that you may never ever develop, you willnever know what you might have prevented. But if there are any signs of meningitis,you don't wait. Life saving measures first. Always.

DP: So, with the meningitis, what you're going to watch for, the fever, weakness,vomiting, and a stiff neck, and remember in infants, neonates, you will not see that. But

it will be very unusual for a neonate, a baby under two, three months to run a very highfever all on their own. With vaccines, they may have a fever response. But on their own,it's a concern, especially if there's vomiting, drowsiness, lethargy, you need to takeyour baby to the doctor right away. Any seizures. Petechial rash, these are little dots onthe surface of the skin and it's like a teeny-tiny hemorrhage. Watch for any confusion,cool, clammy skin, low or no urine input, with babies they'll just have dry diapers andthey won't be nursing very much., that would be a concern. Blue lips and fingernails,profuse sweating, moist skin, rapid weak pulse, shallow breathing, chest pain orunconsciousness. So those are emergency measures.

DP:So for ear infections, you have a great remedy in Pulsatilla and Mag Phos. It will be

in your handout. So you can read through those and Merc Sol. Merc Sol, they'll bemuch worse at night. Drooling, they might be teething. Pulsatilla, they'll be very clingy,and this is where the discharge will be yellow, yellow-green, thick or smelly. The samewith Merc Sol, so again, if your children have any of these symptoms early on, and yougive them homeopathic remedies, you can see how you might be preventingsecondary infections that could lead to bacterial meningitis, or the pneumonia.





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DP:There are some links that you will have in your handout for the ear infections aswell. So for meningitis, homeopathically... Let me just move along through my handout.You're getting quite an extensive handout. Again, I am so intrigued by this wholestreptococcus family and what's happening with it.

DP:Sorry, I'm moving through a lot of information here. Any questions or clarificationsor things you want to add at this point? Okay, I found my page where we can talkabout pneumonia and homeopathy. So, again, the young children, infants, childrenunder a year and then in the elderly. An elderly person, even a minor cough orweakness for more than a day and then confusion and deterioration, you might have tosuspect. And with my mother-in-law in the nursing home, they watch for this quiteoften.

DP:So, with homeopathy and pneumonia, Aconite. Again, we've gone over it beforeand it is particularly good in pulmonary, so heart and lung congestions. And it's one of

the remedies in the first stage of pneumonia, and it corresponds more closely to thesymptoms in that first part, that first stage. Now, especially here in Alberta where wehave cold, dry winds in the winter, so again, the skin is hot and dry. So you can start tosee why the symptoms of Aconite starts to really correspond very well with thesymptoms of pneumonia.

DP: If the spit-up, the sputum starts to get thick, then you know that Aconite is likelyno longer the remedy. So, what may happen with homeopathic remedies, it's not thatyou're preventing or stopping the illness, what you are doing is supporting the body's

whole immune system or the vital force to be able to resolve what is happening in aprobably more efficient and quicker way. So, I often caution people even if you're usinghomeopathy and you are better sooner, to still continue with rest because it's so easyto have a relapse with it.

DP:So, suddenness onset in Aconite and especially in young children or babies thatare really very active and lively, and then all of a sudden they're sick. So, a remedy likeGelsemium does not cover, it's a much lower kind of state than Aconite. So those areall the symptoms you can look for in Aconite. Ferrum Phos, if it's very slow. Thephosphorus part of Ferrum Phos has a special affinity to the lungs, to the chest andalso to blood and bleeding. So if it's been sort of a slow kind of illness and then there's

blood when they cough up, you can think of Ferrum Phos. Now, I've had some reallyinteresting cases in student clinic with Ferrum Phosphoricum and one of them was witha person who had a chronic clearing of the throat and a very chronic chest infectionthat would come every winter. So there is a very huge affinity for Ferrum Phos in thesekinds of situations.





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DP: And it's what they consider the secondary pneumonias. What has beencharacteristic in the Ferrum Phos cases that I've seen in student clinic are this inabilityto either cough something up or cough something down or take it down. It just is thiskind of stuck in clearing and not being able to take a deep breath. So I have foundFerrum Phos to be very useful in a way that I would not have known.

DP:Bryonia, probably one of the big time pneumonia remedies. And this would comeafter something like Aconite or Ferrum Phos and again, they don't want moving, thirstyfor large quantities of water all at the same time, extremely irritable if disturbed, a realgrumpiness to it. But when they cough, it feels like the chest walls would fly to piecesso they hold on. They just dread coughing and worse for any kind of motion. So anytime moving in the bed will bring on the cough. And the cough can hurt in other partsof the body. So Phosphorus most commonly follows Bryonia in pneumonia and it'scomplimentary so it's really nice to know how your remedies work with each other.

DP: Now the Schuessler Tissue Salts, one of the ones that he mentions is KaliMuriaticum. So you can keep on hand some of the 12 tissue salts. Miranda Castroprobably has the best information on tissue salts. I don't think she's written a book onthem, but she may have on mirandacastro.com, she may have an article or two on thetissue salts. Phosphorus is, "the great mogul of lobar pneumonia." So it's important toremember that somebody needing Phosphorus in pneumonia might be craving ice colddrinks and as soon as the drink hits the stomach, up it comes. They might be cravingice cream. It might seem counter-intuitive with all of this phlegm going on that youwould give a dairy product, but this is the craving of Phosphorus. It's something for

cold and often this milkshake they'll ask for or ice cream.

DP:The cough will come on from talking or laughing and there may be blood with this.But Phosphorus is a very good childhood remedy as well. So Antimonium Tart, this isanother one that has that rattling in the chest or in the larynx you can hear it. And veryspecific with children they may be craving a lot of apple juice and there's this rattlymucus-y sound in there. Possibly some croup, crouping sounds as well.

DP:So those are the ones that I'm just going to leave you with. Your handout has acouple of more, you can read through those. So any questions, any comments, anyclarification about today's material or any of the previous classes that we've had

together or anything you'd like to ask me? Go ahead, Cam.

Cam: The question I have is about essential oils with Homoeopathy. I know that theycan contradict a remedy or counteract a remedy, is there any timeframe, like if you givea remedy then don't use those for two days or three days or is it forever that they can'tbe used together?



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DP:I know I've heard parents having really great success with essential oils and I knowwhen I was a child, Vicks VapoRub was my dad's go to with the menthol andeucalyptus. I would say give the homeopathic remedy. If there's improvement, then youcan consider using an essential oil. So each child may be different. Each situationmight be different. So say you give a homeopathic remedy, there's improvement, youuse the essential oil and immediately they return to back where they were, I wouldconsider that there's been an antidoting affect.

Cam:What about with a constitutional?

DP:With a constitutional, again, you might want to just see what happens. It's really await and see. I have, with my mother-in-law, I used to give her remedies with hercoffee, and they helped.

Cam:Okay.

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DP:So, it depends on what... If it's somebody who's really sensitive, then I would bemore cautious about how soon to use an essential oil. It is so individual specific. I havea case where the parent has a tendency to overuse everything. Overuse herbals,overuse oils, and you can get proving symptoms even with chamomile tea, if there's asusceptibility to it, you can get... You know, you give tea, chamomile tea, and they starthitting. And I say that because I read a herbogram book one time and somebody using

St. John's Wort for depression, and they developed tingling and numbness in thefingers and toes.

DP:Hypericum is a homeopathic remedy, St. John's Wort is used for crushed fingersand toes. What happened was that person had taken so much of the herbal out of thematerial dose, they were proving it. So, it's possible to get too much, same drinking toomuch coffee, you can get completely wired and you get symptoms proving...

Cam: Okay. I just wondered, there's a huge wave right now. I am not doing it, althoughI have been putting Thyme oil on my son's plantar's wart and hope that that will help.But he's not on any homeopathy right now either. But there's a huge trend right now in

the autism community with people using these Young Living Essential Oils, and Ithought, the same people that are using them, the majority of them, are also seeinghomoeopaths so, I just wondered...

DP:Yeah, they need to take it t their Homoeopaths. I assessed each one of my patientindividually with that. For some, it seems to be okay. For others, it antidotes it right





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away and we're kind of back at square one. So I caution parents, just to watch. Ifthere's been an improvement, and improvement, so it might be one day, it might beone hour, it might be a week, if it's a constitutional remedy and their first experience

with homoeopathy, I tend to ask them to stay away from the aromatics just for a littlewhile. Just until we can see the action of the remedy. Once the homeopathic remedyhas affected the vital force, typically, there's nothing that can antidote it or undo it. So,some people...

Cam: So like, Jerry... I have a lot of friends who are working with Jerry Cantor and hisrule of thumb is three days. No coffee, no aromatics for three days. But that that shouldbe enough time for it to get in there and start doing it's work. But I just wondered if...

And I've always thought that the rules, like you're saying, it just depends on the person.

DP:It really does.

Cam: That maybe that remedy does an antidote, but a person, it can antidote.[laughter]

DP:Yes, and with coffee, it's an interesting thing. If somebody's a regular drinker ofcoffee, I don't ask them to go off, it's horrific. The headaches can be horrible and I'vebeen there. So Miranda Castro, again, did an interesting little bit of research on herown and she asked patients to be honest with her, because she would always tellthem, don't drink any coffee, and they did, and most of them got completely better ontheir homeopathic remedy, so she quit saying don't drink coffee. But in somebody who

is really sensitive to it, they will antidote their remedy every time and it's quite moodaltering to have a cup of coffee. And so I know that particular person, with ahomoeopath as well, her homoeopath just got a little bit frustrated with her becauseshe knew, she was a homoeopath and she knew that she was antidoting her remedybut that was her individual situation. I approach things pretty much individually.

Cam: Okay. And then while on that note, is there a link somewhere that talks aboutyour fees? Several people have asked me.

DP: No, I usually have people send an email enquiry to me and then what I do is,maybe I just need to put this on the page, I send a preliminary package of information,

it's really important to me that people who are considering seeing me as ahomoeopath, that they are... So I include two articles, "Finding the Right homoeopathfor You," so I want people to feel like this is a good fit. And also included in thatpackage are my fees, where I am, how I work, what my training is. But it gives peoplethat time to make their own assessments of whether this is somebody I can trust ormake an investment in. And so, my fees, probably are middle of the road, I would think.





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DP: I know some who charge quite a bit more than what I do and some who chargequite a bit less, but I'm comfortable with what I charge. So I spend as much time, and Idon't do a lot of remedies all at once. I tend to do single remedies. And I don'tprescribe right at the end of the consult. I spend time sorting through things and I tendto work very closely with people especially if there's layers of either vaccines or illnesshistory or things going on in the household. So again, everybody as individuals. Somepeople I never hear from again. And then three years later they call and say, "Oh yeah, Iwas fine. It's nothing to talk about, but now... " And then they have something else thatthey got going.

Cam:Okay. Alright. Well, I'll do that. I'll send an enquiry for my family then.

DP:Okay. Yeah, and then it's just the whole package of information then. Alright. And

it's the same with homeoprophylaxis. I feel better when the person contacting me hasdone some research with HP. I provide the links so that you're coming into it informedabout what it can do, what it can't do and then go from there.

Cam:Okay. Thanks.

DP:Yeah, does that help?

Cam: It does. Thank you so much for everything. Oh, and are you gonna keep theFacebook page going or is it closing after this class is over?

DP:No. What I'm hoping is, Cam, is that with each group that we just keep adding to itand...

Cam:Oh, great.

DP:Yeah, and Casey and I are going to send out an email very shortly that it will be, ifyou feel there's some people who would like to be part of this group, it's going to be avery private group, quite closed, but if you feel that there is somebody who you wouldlike to be part of that group then I'll be sort of a little... If it comes from one of theparticipant...

Cam:Little vetting process?

DP:Yeah. Well... Yeah and if it comes from one of the people who have participated inthese courses, I know I can trust you to have invited somebody along. It's sort of likemeet my new friend.





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Cam:Okay.

DP: But if you feel it's somebody who would really benefit by some of theconversations. Ideally, it's nice to have people who have participated in the programsimply because we're all on the same page with the information. But I realize that thegroup is also taking a little bit of a turn in terms of acute illnesses and sharinginformation with that. So I think that might be helpful for parents too. Okay? Take care.Have a great week.



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