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  • 5/20/2015 NewWindTurbineGeneratesElectricityWithoutRotatingBlades|IFLScience

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    New Wind Turbine Generates Electricity WithoutRotating BladesMay18,2015|byCarolineReid

    photocredit:BladelesswindturbinebyVortex

    Thisnewwindturbinewobbleselegantlyinthewind,generatingelectricitywithoutrotatingblades.Itlookslikeasparagus,saysDavidSuriol,oneofthefounders.

    ASpanishcompanycalledVortexBladelesshasproducedawindturbinethattakesadvantageofthevorticesproducedwhenwindmovesaroundanobstacle.

    Ifyouputanyobjectinthepathofthewind,itwillcreateanundulatingvortexbehindthebarrier.Thisisaproblemthathasplaguedengineersforyears:bridgeshavefallenduetowindeddies.

    VortexBladelessengineershavedesignedtheirturbinetotakeadvantageofthisvortex.Thethin,coneshapedturbineismadeofcarbonfiberandfiberglasswiththemotoratthebottominsteadofthetop(liketraditionalturbines)toimprovesturdiness.Thedesignensuresthatthewind'svortexspinssynchronouslyalongtheentirecone.Theswirlshavetoworktogethertoachievegoodperformance,Villarrealexplains.Thereisalsoaringofmagnetsatthebaseoftheconethatgivetherotationsaboostregardlessofwindspeed.

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    TherearemanyadvantagestothenewVortexdesign:Itischeapertomanufacturethancurrentpinwheelturbines.Maintenancepricesarealsolowerbecausethereisnofrictionfrommechanicallymovingparts(e.g.,thebladesonatraditionalturbine),whichreducestheneedforoilingandboltreplacement.Itiscompletelysilentandbirdscanflyaroundthemsafely(thoughithasyettobeannouncedwhethertheturbineisnestproof.)

    Newwindtechnology,however,alwaysreceivessomeskepticism:Mostwindharvestingtechnologiesonlyworkatafractionoftheirmostefficientoutput.Windturbinesneedsmooth,laminarairflowthekindyouonlyreallyfindatabout100meters(328feet)abovetheground.Thewindthatweknowandlovetohateisturbulent,messyandgenerallynogoodforwindturbines.Vortexclaimsthattheirwindturbinecanadapttoanywindspeedwiththeassistanceofthemagnetsinitscorehowever,thedetailsonhowthisactuallyworksarefrustratinglyhardtocomeby.

    TheVortexdevicehasbeencomputationallymodeled,testedinawindtunnel,andthereareprototypesoutintheopen,butdetailsontestscarriedoutbythecompanyorindependentlabsarecurrentlyscant.Itisalsonotthefirstwindturbinetotakeadvantageofoscillatorytechnology.Researchersinthe'80sfoundthattheswirlingoscillationsweretoorandomforreliablepowergeneration,andthespeedofoscillationsputalotofstressonthestructureandcausedittobreakdownunexpectedly.

    Theideahasn'tbeenterriblysuccessfulinthepast,soitwillbeinterestingtoseehowVortexBladelesstacklesthesechallenges.WhilethisinventionmightnotrevolutionizeEarth'srenewablepowersourcesjustyet,it'sstillexcitingtoseewhatdesignersarecreating.

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    Pepijn 17hoursago"Thereisalsoaringofmagnetsatthebaseoftheconethatgivetherotationsaboostregardlessofwindspeed."thisisringingalarmbellsforme.Soundslike

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    boostregardlessofwindspeed."thisisringingalarmbellsforme.Soundslikepseudoscience.Couldyouelaborateonthis?Isthereactuallyagoodreasonforthesemagnets,forinstancereducingfrictionorsomethinglikethat?

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    TomaszSzewczyk 18hoursagoItscalledVOrtexSheddingMrOnlinedegreefakeroInigineeero

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    DavidEbert adayagoDidyouknowthatanysecondhandelectricmotorturnedbackwardsisagenerator?Youcansetupyourowngenerationsystemwithsecondhandgearusinganykineticenergysource.Trydiggingamillraceonthatstreambyyourhouse,makeapaddletoharnessthewindinthattalltreeinyouryard,putageneratoronanexercisebiketorunaTV...useyourimagination.Iknowaguywhofiguredoutanelectricbikeforhimself,thatuseslittleelectricmotorstochargethebatterywhenhe'sgoingdownhillorpedaling.Heneverhastoseparatelychargethebattery,andalwayshasextrapowerwhenhegetstired.Hestartedoutbyusingtwooldfashionedheadlightgenerators,butfoundsomesmallmotorsthatworkedbetter.Thisisfunstuff.

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    backprop 18hoursago>DavidEbertWell,notjust'any'motor.AtypicalA/Cmotorwon't,forexample.So,don'tjustgooutandspinanyoldmotorandhopeelectricitycomesout!

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    GuyC 19hoursago>DavidEbertSoundsgreat.NowIjustneedtodivertawatercoursetorunnearenoughtowhereIlive...:D

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    1337 20hoursago>DavidEbertAskhimtoshareonaDIYtutorialwebsiteplease.

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    richardstarr adayagoI'veseenthistypeofthingbefore.Itwillbeniceifitactuallyismoreefficientthistime.Efficiencymeaningpowergatheredusingthesameacreageontheground.Idon'tcareifyouuse5oftheminthespaceofonetraditionaldevice,especiallyifthemaintenancecostsreallyarethatlow.

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    GordBestwick adayagoI'llbecuriousastotheefficiencyvscostvstraditionalwindmills.Ithinkthesewillonlytakeoffiftheyoffersomekindofefficiency.

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    mohawk16 adayagoWhenachieved,commerciallyviablenuclearfusionwillsolvetheworld'senergy&pollutionproblems.

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    CedrikS.Charette adayagofindawaytocaptureLightningEnergyinabattery,thenthiswillbeuseless^_^

    theonewhowilldothiswillbethenextBillGateslol1

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    Grebysama adayago>CedrikS.CharetteActuallythere's...Justthatalightingistooshorttochargealampforhalfahour...

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    iksnilol 20hoursago>GrebysamaEh,lightninghasmuchmoreenergythanthat.

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    WHL adayago>CedrikS.CharetteKeyword:inabattery.

    lordofdarkness adayago>WHLwhywouldyouwantabatterythatpowersalampforhalfanhour?

    DesmondKenpachiKnowles adayago

    >lordofdarkness

    Areyoutellingmethatyouthinkalightningstormonlyhasonelightningstrike?Thinkmultiplestrikestofillthebatteryorseveralbatteriesperstorm.

    Stacey 20hoursago>DesmondKenpachiKnowlesYoustillhavetofindawaytocatchallthoselightningbolts.Withhowrandomandirregularlightningcanbe,eveninareaswithtallbuildingswithlightningrods,it'sjustreallyhardtocatchthem.

    EventheEmpireStateBuildingonlygetshitabout25timeseachyear.

    Theproblemisthatit'dbehugelyexpensivetohaveanareaoflightningcapturingdevices,andyouwouldhavetocoverhugeamountsofarea.

    It'djustbeanenormousinvestmentwithverylowreturn.2

    lordofdarkness 21hoursago

    >DesmondKenpachiKnowles

    Soundsveryinefficient,andwasteful.Ihopeyourbatteriesarerechargeable.Ifoneboltisequaltohalfanhour,awholestormisn'tgoingtomakeadifference.Bettertoharnessthepowerofkid'slaughtfromthatMonstermovie.

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    ErlendshamarEriksen 20hoursago

    >lordofdarkness

    Oneboltisvastlysuperiortothat,butharnessingthefullenergyofitwillbeverydifficult,that'sall.Butagain,thebatterythingisaproblem.Ifyoufindadifferentwaytostoretheenergy,however,wemaybesingingadifferenttune.Ifyoufindakineticneareternitymachineanduselightningtopowerit,itcanstorevastamountsofenergywithonlyasmallenergyloss.Wehavehadmultiplesuchmachinesmadeinthepast,somerunningforyears,buttheywerealllowenergy,whichobviouslymakesiteasiertokeepup...Ifwecouldproperlyharnessthepoweroflightning,we'dhaveahugepowersourcerighttherehowever,it'shorribly

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    difficult,andweneedbrilliantinnovationstodothat,notjustrethinksofcurrentideasandprinciples.

    wl adayagoHow'sthataturbinewhenit'sobviouslyabaseballbat?

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    PsychoJedi adayagoIfwecanhavejustonerenewablesourceofenergythatalsodoesn'tkillwildlife,thatwouldbeawesome.

    PeterCollings 20hoursago>PsychoJediDomesticcatskillseveralhundredmillionbirdsperyearintheUSalone,tensofmillionsarekilledflyingintobuildings.Comparedtothat,therelativelyminisculenumberofbirdskilledinturbinestrikesisutterlyirrelevant.

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    ErlendshamarEriksen 19hoursago>PeterCollingsTheproblemlieswiththekindsofbirdsthatdon'tdietocatsandflyingintobuildings,andareataratherlowpopulationalready.Speciallyinotherwisewildareaswheredomesticcatsandbuildingsdon'texist,windmillsareadangerousfactor,when1windmillaloneiscapableofkilling10%ofthelocalpopulation,ifyourluckisbad.

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    RachelTerry adayago>PsychoJediGeothermal..

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    PsychoJedi adayago>RachelTerryThisoneishardtosay,sofarallitdoesisincreasetheriskofearthquakes,butsayifsomeoneweretogetthebrightideaofsettingoneupinMontanatofeedoffthemassiveamountofenergyflowingfromthesupervolcanobeneathYellowstone,theycouldeitherpowertheentirecontinent,orblowuphalfthecountry.Formytake,I'dsaythejuryisout.

    Rye adayago>PsychoJediSolarPower?

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    PsychoJedi adayago>RyeSolarPowerbarbecuesbirdsintheair,sorrytosay:(

    JohannesBecker adayago>PsychoJediThatstatementishighlymisleading.RegularPVpanelsdonosuchthing.Whatyouarereferringtoareparabolicthermalbasedinstallationsintendedforlargescaleprojectsmaybeyoucouldemploysomekindof"scarecrow"method(annoyingsoundfrequencies,optical,...)tomakebirdsavoidthearea.It'snotageneralproblemofsolar,justofoneveryspecifictechnologywithinsolar.

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    DesmondKenpachiKnowles adayago>PsychoJediEveryonehassolarpanelsontheirroofs.NotGiantsolarthermalpowerplantswhichdoindeedkillbirds.

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    Dave adayago>PsychoJedihttp://www.worldcrunch.com/tec...

    PretenderNX01 adayago>PsychoJediLargepanelsaren'ttheonlywaytogetsolarpower.Therewasakid,AidanDwyer,whocreateda"tree"usingsmallpanelssetinaparticularpatterncalledtheFibonaccisequence.

    Nofryingwildlifesincethearesmallandatalldifferentanglesandnoneedtoturntheonegiantpanelyouhavesotheydon'tloseenergy.Infacttheyaremoreefficientoverall.

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    PsychoJedi adayago>PretenderNX01Coolbeans,isitthesametreethatalsoactsasawaterpurifierandwifihotspot?Ivaguelyrememberreadinganarticleaboutthatafewmonthsback.

    DarrinWoodard adayago>PsychoJediICYMITheyhavesolarpowerforhomesthatdoesn'tfrybirds.Stopwaitingforsomebodyelsetosolveyourproblems.Visityourlocalhardwarestoreandstartproducinginsteadofbeingaleech.

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    PsychoJedi adayago>DarrinWoodardThanks,Dad.

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    DarrinWoodard adayago>PsychoJediAhhthatmomentwhenyourproblemsaresolved,butyourimmatureattitudeonlyvocalizescriticism.Youarewhatwecallacurmudgeon.Dad

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    PsychoJedi adayago>DarrinWoodardCurmudgeon,huh?IdobelieveyoujustleveleduptoaGrandpa.

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    JohnGreen adayago>PsychoJediDependswhattypeofsolaryou'retalkingabout.Traditional,standalonesolarpanelsdon'tfrybirds,butthesolararraysthatdirectlighttoacentralpointtosuperheatwater,ofcourse,caneasilygenerateenoughheattokillbirds

    PsychoJedi adayago>JohnGreenIt'sanissuewe'llprobablysolveeventually,wejustneed

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    It'sanissuewe'llprobablysolveeventually,wejustneedmoreefficientsolarpanelsthatcollectalltheenergythathitsthem,insteadofreflectingmostofitbackatourfeatheryfriends.Thatorputallsolarpanelsinspaceandbeamtheenergybacktoearthviamicrowaves.

    EnioMoura adayago>PsychoJediYouknow,onlylargesolarpowerplantscankillbirds,becausetheyusefocusedmirrors,notsolarpanels.Solarpanelsaremoreofapersonalusethingandtheycan'tkillbirdsanymorethanthesunitselfcan.

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    PsychoJedi adayago>EnioMouraGotcha,butistherereallyaneedtonitpick?WereyouatallconfusedaboutwhatIwasgettingat?

    EnioMoura adayago>PsychoJediYes,youwastalkingaboutsolarpanelsandtalkingabouthowmuchtheyreflectsunlight,tothepointofkillingbirds.Teeechnicallytheydoreflectsunlight,butthat'slesssunlightthatmadeit'swaytotheminthefirstplace.

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    PsychoJedi adayago>EnioMouraIsaidSolarPowerkillsbirds,Iusedthewordsolarpanelsinanotherpostinreferencetoaneedtobetterthetechnology,I'lljustusethephraseSolarCellsfromnowon,wouldthatmakeyouhappy?

    EnioMoura adayago>PsychoJediSolarpowerwasgoodandspotonhahaBytheway,microwavebeamedpoweriskindofadeadlyweapontoo,sothere'sthat.

    PsychoJedi adayago>EnioMouraYeah,it'slikelytocomewithitsownsetofissues,we'rescrewedprettymucheverywayweturn,here'shopingsomeonefiguresoutcoldfusion.

    JustinCCorcoran 18hoursago>PsychoJediforcoldfusiontoreachnewhorizonsweneedtobeabletoformulateextremelyefficientcompositematerialsofroomtempsuperconductors.

    MrJC22173 adayago>PsychoJediTheyarecalledphotovoltaiccells,andgenerateelectricityfromlightimpact,alsotherearemagnifyingones.

    BartyLobethal adayago>PsychoJediBullshit.

    PsychoJedi adayago>BartyLobethal

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