Archive Session 124

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ukedchat Archive 15 Nov 2012Hosted by @ICTmagic

Could Google's 20% project/self-directed timework in schools and how could we support it?

20:01:48 ICTmagicMy first question is has anyone tried it or heard ofanyone trying it and how did it go? #ukedchat

20:02:33 dailydenouementHoping #ukedchat will be made clear tonight as I don'tknow what the Google 20% project is?

20:02:51 tesPrimary @ictmagic Heard of it. Do you mean for pupils and/orteachers? #ukedchat

20:03:02 nightzookeeper @dailydenouement http://t.co/ej4lV6fv #ukedchat

20:03:03 davidhunter#ukedchat funny, this played part of the pitch for a jobrecently. Think it's a wonderful idea

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20:03:40 Jivespin

#ukedchat This topic is new to me. But I feel that our

school could not afford this under current economicconstraints.

20:04:18 davidhunter#ukedchat in primary schools should allow subjectspecialists to teach their curriculum area across allKSs. Kids would be inspired

20:04:24 nightzookeeper@ICTmagic I have heard of teachers implementing'creative mornings' where children spend 30mins ontheir own projects. #ukedchat

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reallara

@dailydenouement Google employees can spend 20%

of their time on projects of their choice unrelated totheir normal tasks I think #ukedchat

20:06:15 eyebeams@ICTmagic I did, years ago, it was called running afterschool clubs ;) #ukedchat

20:06:18 dandesignthink#ukedchat I'm lucky enough to work like this it's great...Lots inspiring and collaborative projects come from it.

20:06:18 dailydenouementHow could/would/should this fit in with curriculum/examneeds? #ukedchat

20:06:22 ICTmagicSome background: Essentially Google gives 20% oftheir employees time to their own pet projects usingGoogle's resources. #ukedchat

20:06:25 davidhunter#ukedchat it's been responsible for Google earth and abunch of other great tools. What could kids produce?

20:06:43 MrG_ICTTrying 20% time but our school curriculum veryprescriptive and very difficult. #ukedchat

20:06:58 ThisIsLiamM @ICTmagic http://t.co/Ihqmhoh2 #ukedchat

20:07:05 piersyoung@dailydenouement #ukedchat http://t.co/AxXxnCQnexample of the 20% approach here (from a Googleguy)

20:07:17 ben_solly #ukedchat I allowed some support staff to do this last

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yr - was v successful, particularly with creative people.Not tried with teachers yet

20:07:18 reallaraLike the idea of using the general concept toencourage/allow staff to try out ideas & topics not

prescribed by school or govt #ukedchat

20:07:53 ICTmagic@tesPrimary I was thinking more for the pupils, but Iwas going to explore the idea for teachers as well later.#ukedchat

20:08:05 Jivespin#ukedchat Google 20% sounds great although doesthat include being on Twitter as part of a CPD project?

20:08:07 eyebeams@ICTmagic How focused would it be? How wouldpeople implement it? How would they assess it? Whatwould the outcomes be - if any? #ukedchat

20:08:41 ICTmagic @eyebeams Should teachers be allowed (and are theysomewhere) to run clubs in lesson time? #ukedchat

20:09:33 piersyoung#ukedchat The big thing for me is having yourleadership lot endorse it. That level of trust seems tobe necessary or it's just skunkworks.

20:09:41 day_tomAre we looking at this as teachers given 20% of to doown work, or kids given 20% of a lesson each week todo own related work? #ukedchat

20:09:42 dandesignthink#ukedchat I have created some random things like this,qr code driven careers advice wall for art departmenthttp://t.co/aQ98XAE1

20:10:01 MrG_ICTKen Robinson's book "the Element" discusses value ofworking on a project that you have passion for. Worth aread #ukedchat

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20:10:38 davidhunter#ukedchat I think it's old school 'project'work usingmodern methods and outcomes to measure.chn decidefocus (eg Lego or football)

20:10:59 Jivespin#ukedchat Would Google 20% have to have ameasurable outcome like Performance Management?

20:11:04 ICTmagic@day_tom The way Google do it is that it is the sameamount (or time at least) work, but different, selfdirectly work. #ukedchat

20:11:11 caroljallen@ictmagic Why not? The timetable can restrictlearning #ukedchat

20:11:16 SwayGrantham I gave chn 45mins proj time and 15mins per station

time at the end of term last year. Fantastic to see

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http://t.co/xMQZe0x3 #ukedchat

20:11:34 MrG_ICTGoogle time where children choose their topic/activityfor 20% of learning time. #ukedchat

20:11:39 ICTmagic@eyebeams All great questions. Let's explore some of

them... #ukedchat20:12:39 tmeeky

Maybe time needs an enterprise focus and outcomewould be based around profit made #ukedchat

20:12:47 ICTmagicHow focused do you think the teachers/pupils shouldbe on specific subjects/topics/objectives? #ukedchat

20:13:04 nightzookeeperMay be worth giving students a set of skills they mustuse on their projects to focus the learning #ukedchat@ICTMagic

20:13:21 ICTmagic @Jivespin What age group was that? #ukedchat

20:13:41 MrG_ICT @jivespin Google have very few restrictions. Faith instaff (children) to use time effectively. #ukedchat

20:13:43 SwayGrantham@ICTmagic objectives can limit learning if teachersrestrain themselves to them #ukedchat

20:14:28 ICTmagic@nightzookeeper Teaching towards a self-directedtask? #DevilsAdvocate :) #ukedchat

20:14:31 eyebeams@nightzookeeper @ICTmagic Google is a hothouseenvironment where people call on collaborativeexpertise to do this - schools? #ukedchat

20:14:54 tmeeky last time I looked Google didn't have ability for teacherto create pupil logins/accounts etc... is there now?#ukedchat

20:15:03 nightzookeeper@SwayGrantham interesting to read about how thechildren responded to this level of freedom #ukedchat#creativekids

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20:15:11 day_tom@ICTmagic some focus would be useful - a subject atleast and maybe a starting point for investigation /development #ukedchat

20:15:13 Jivespin@ICTmagic Secondary. All students involved too#ukedchat

20:15:35 reallara@nightzookeeper I was thinking about students initiallytoo but thought it could be a great way to encouragerisk taking #ukedchat

20:15:36 tmeeky@eyebeams Shame that description wasn't about aschool! #ukedchat

20:15:36 nightzookeeper @SwayGrantham sure those kids that 'didn't know

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what to do' would get much better with more practice#ukedchat

20:15:40 sklobalQatar placed 6th at World Robot Olympiad#SklobalThursdayThanks #edchat #isedchat

#ukedchat http://t.co/G8aaEbJj

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20:15:46 ICTmagic@eyebeams Does that mean it is not possible, lessproductive or different to implement in schools?@nightzookeeper #ukedchat

20:15:59 DrHuxTM@Jivespin My understanding is Google do not. Myunderstanding of our sector is that we certainly

would #ukedchat

20:16:04 aangeli@ICTmagic It needs to be embedded into the weeklysch curr for it to work. It's about consistent collaborativecreative thinking #ukedchat

20:16:22 e11iewe11sI don't actually know what the project is... Couldanyone summarise for me please? #ukedchat

20:16:31 piersyoung#ukedchat @SwayGrantham agreed! Perhaps youcould use flipped classroom tricks to show e.g. how toask good questions ... ?

20:16:34 ICTmagicIf you were to have Googles 20% time in schools, howshould the 20%, essentially a whole school day, bedistributed? #ukedchat

20:16:35 davidhunter@ICTmagic very focused.can still deliver thecurriculum, just on THEIR terms #ukedchat

20:16:54 Jivespin @DrHuxTM My thinking exactly #ukedchat

20:17:06 nightzookeeper@ICTmagic hmmm, possibly but I think that sometimeschildren can be really creative when they have a smallamount of structure #ukedchat

20:17:06 Sarah__wright1#ukedchat love the concept, think it would need to bescaffolded initially, but what better way to developindependent learning?!

20:17:41 ICTmagic@davidhunter Could that still be called 'self-directed'time? Give a problem to solve using their own means?#ukedchat

20:17:45 SwayGrantham@piersyoung does anyone know a good blogpost onflipped classroom techniques - been meaning toexplore more #ukedchat

20:17:47 lauracallaspam @dandesignthink this is excellent! Inspired! #ukedchat20:18:07 eyebeams @ICTmagic @nightzookeeper Would require people's

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and be sustained all year, or just an add on?#ukedchat

20:23:01 ICTmagic@DrHuxsClasses How is it structured? What is thelevel of 'freedom' given to students? #ukedchat

20:23:05 tickytecky @davidhunter The possibilities are endless. Games,easier ways of doing things. #ukedchat

20:23:43 nightzookeeper@ICTmagic I think there is no need to put an agerestriction on something like this, obviously skills usedcould differ vastly #ukedchat

20:23:43 headguruteacherPost about Project 9: IT skills students teach eachother if given the structure. More of this?http://t.co/hjEBLnDx #ukedchat

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eyebeams

@tickytecky @ICTmagic Possible then to put together

a framework for ideas - white room approach - havepeople heard of this? #ukedchat

20:23:52 SwayGrantham@ICTmagic I think so, not 'groups of 3' but 'work aloneor with a group as long as everyone is doingsomething' #ukedchat

20:24 e11iewe11s@eyebeams @swaygrantham I see. Thank you both.Interesting stuff... #ukedchat

20:24:24 ICTmagic@hayleyjess Doesn't that restrict the already focusedchildren? What about a differentiated approach?#ukedchat

20:24:43 SwayGrantham@piersyoung we do cross-year group mornings buttimetable restrictions limit most from regular slots#ukedchat

20:24:44 day_tom@piersyoung Doesn't that take away from the 20%thingCould students do it at diff times? When teachingLow ability / High ability #ukedchat

20:25:07 ICTmagic @eyebeams No. I will Google it later. :) #ukedchat

20:25:41 dandesignthink@tmeeky agreed the idea factory students learn aboutmarketing advertising when developing a new product#ukedchat

20:26:02 ICTmagic@SwayGrantham Isn't collaboration desirable inproject/self-directed work? #ukedchat

20:26:02 tickytecky@ICTmagic Would depend on approach. Start as anadd on to give kids freedom but as they gain direction itcould be integrated #ukedchat

20:26:03 DrHuxTMWhen I visited RSA Academy 18mnths ago, 1aftn/week was off timetable & involved a widerange of activities for students. #ukedchat

20:26:31 SwayGrantham @ICTmagic @hayleyjess presentations helps

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disruptive chn I found,those that did minimal wereembarrassed to show,effort was valued #ukedchat

20:26:34 nightzookeeper@ICTmagic @SwayGrantham I think so. Groupprojects are a great way to challenge the children to

become leaders and inspire others #ukedchat20:26:40 tickytecky @eyebeams @ictmagic Nope but interested #ukedchat

20:26:42 piersyoung@SwayGrantham #ukedchat OK. Would that happeneven if the whole school committed to e.g. every Fridayproject days?

20:27:45 fullonlearning#ukedchat gradually introduce 20% time with othergoogle approach of 4Ts: TIME or TEAM orTECHNIQUE or TASK give students 1or2 to begin

20:28:01 Jivespin#ukedchat Google 20% sounds great as a conduit for

student leadership and independent learning.

20:28:11 ICTmagicSelf-directed working requires self-discipline andorganisational skills. How can these be developed?#ukedchat

20:28:14 Ideas_Factory#ukedchat @ICTmagic Got a link explaining whatGoogle 20% means(sorry for not knowing)?

20:28:44 eyebeams@tickytecky @ICTmagic Bare bones elicitation - needsskillful orchestration #ukedchat

20:28:55 nightzookeeperHow do children that rely on a firm structure at school

respond to 20% time? #ukedchat @ICTMagic20:29:37 anhalf #ukedchat sounds intriguing, but got to eat :/

20:29:38 jackdiscoGreat online database favourites: #oldbaileyonline#slavevoyages #scottishwitchcraft - any otherrecommendations? #ukedchat #history

20:29:40 dandesignthink#ukedchat it's great free time to collaborate, I workedwith a history dept on these bespoke qr codeleadhistory books http://t.co/OyNcvuHv

20:29:41 tmeekyProject focus: identify a real problemResearch/design/propose a solution #ukedchat

20:30:14 SwayGrantham@piersyoung what about the sub knol that wouldusually be taught on Fridays?Learning still taking placenot covering curric #ukedchat

20:30:15 DrHuxTM@ICTmagic Seemed to work v. well.Staff haddeveloped projects that interested them and thestudents, with a good range of choice. #ukedchat

20:30:51 dandesignthink#ukedchat I also get to create fun things no one askedfor : ) http://t.co/SkrDa7y2

20:30:55 ICTmagic How do you separate 'self-directed' time from 'play

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time'? Should we? #ukedchat

20:31:02 tmeekyCurriculum/school experience (for kids) needs this 20%breathing space #ukedchat

20:31:11 nightzookeeper

@ICTmagic I think that by giving children small targets

in this area can really help! e.g: recording progress in aproject journal #ukedchat

20:31:28 SwayGrantham@ICTmagic potentially but they can learn without and ifit suits them why always force them to do group work#ukedchat

20:31:43 tmeeky@ICTmagic The best work/learning is perceived asplayful isn't it #ukedchat

20:31:58 nightzookeeper@ICTmagic evernote or skitch would be a really greatto record progress of project work and set targets for

yourself #ukedchat

20:32:20 piersyoung@nightzookeeper #ukedchat project journal good idea.Could even make it public so all can see who's workingon what? E.g. project board

20:32:32 ICTmagic@nightzookeeper That's a good idea. Journal is the'required' work and other goals can be less focused buthave an outcome. #ukedchat

20:32:37 eyebeamsHere is another approach that could be school basedhttp://t.co/fcSUwVFl #ukedchat

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ICTmagic @tmeeky I've always thought so. :) #ukedchat

20:33:04 nightzookeeper@ICTmagic Taught at a French school recently. Theyhad 2hrs for lunch, part of this was directed play.Interesting approach #ukedchat

20:33:15 davidhunter@ICTmagic true,but that's the model I feel would workin primary schools.to have true Google time all chnneed 2 be self motivated #ukedchat

20:33:17 Kezmerrelda@tmeeky @ictmagic reminds of that saying "play is thework of the child" #ukedchat

20:33:50 davidhunter @ICTmagic just like Google employees ;-) #ukedchat

20:34:15 nightzookeeper@piersyoung Nice, I guess if school had enoughmobile tech this could be a project blog so that parentscould comment #ukedchat

20:34:49 mrlockyer@dandesignthink: #ukedchat I also get to create funthings no one asked for : ) http://t.co/8ErmTUzthome >schl #ukedchat

20:41:24 callmepolly@ukedchat @ictmagic some schools in Bath have1afternoon a week explore time - clubs, self-dirlearning etc. seems to work well #ukedchat

20:41:51 MrG_ICT@jivespin Agree it is very hard to fit in. If 20% notpossible maybe try 10% or last few days of term. Ifworks increase time. #ukedchat

20:41:54 mrlockyer#ukedchat re barrier activities - http://t.co/KCgmn2o2 -cc @jasondilling used loads this week!

20:41:54 eyebeams@ICTSuccess @hayleyjess @ICTmagic I'd prefer helpnavigate and scaffold where unknown territory is thecase possibly #ukedchat

20:41:58 ICTmagic@eyebeams Will do. (Just playing devil's advocate :)That's what the host does! #ukedchat).

20:42:04 SwayGrantham@davidhunter @ictmagic everyone is good atsomething and if they can choose they'll choose theirstrength.. #ukedchat

20:42:44 LessonHacker#ukedchat I've tried this with my students and I'mgetting some really great results, its also feeding intomy planning in using their ideas

20:43:02 tmeekyscaffold sounds too rigid... dynamically facilitate mightbe more effective. Offer structure when needed... don'tforce #ukedchat

20:43:19 eyebeams@tmeeky That is where all this falls down - you can'tdo that quickly #ukedchat it's just wasting time then -20 percent time grows

20:43:20 missorourkePlease follow our eyfs leader @s10_sarah who is newto twitter! #eyfs #SLTchat #ukedchat

20:43:47 ICTmagic @SwayGrantham Indeed. Problem is that many school

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focus on helping children find particular talents &ignore others skills. #ukedchat

20:44:32 aangeli@ICTmagic @eyebeams respectfully disagree creative thinking usually occurs through accidental

exploration - not directed #ukedchat

20:44:33 davidhunter@SwayGrantham @ICTmagic Thats the key. Curricdoesn't recog that currently.giving at least 1 day toachieving that would be great #ukedchat

20:45:07 piersyoungWhen done open ended projects with Y6 before,(where they choose own topics), main skill missing isgood questioning #ukedchat

20:45:12 tmeeky@eyebeams Sure... time allowance is key. Selfdirected kids will take the learning home and bring it

back for continuation #ukedchat

20:45:23 eyebeams@SwayGrantham @davidhunter @ICTmagicSometimes they find it hard to choose in some cases -what then? #ukedchat

20:45:53 ICTmagic @aangeli I agree completely. :) #ukedchat

20:46 timrylandsEnjoying #ukedchat even tho "from the edge" onlittle/no battery on our journey between Liverpool& London Thanks all & @ICTmagic

20:46:23 lcgeography@aangeli @ictmagic @eyebeams But can you not planfor and facilitate opportunities for pupils to 'accidentally'explore?! #ukedchat

20:46:34 ICTmagic @timrylands Glad you are enjoying it. :) #ukedchat

20:47:42 eyebeams@aangeli @ICTmagic Didn't say that ;) I believe inserendipity but then you need to facilitate otherwise itcan become cul-de-sac #ukedchat

20:47:44 ICTmagicWhat tools, resources, facilities can teachers provide toallow 'self-directed' learning? #ukedchat

20:48:22 thechrissyt#ukedchat I have tried open research projects withyr3/4 with a 6 week deadline and 100% of classachieved it.

20:48:36 Jivespin@MrG_ICT We do this in a way with Work RelatedLearning Week at the end of the Summer Term#ukedchat

20:49:15 eyebeams@lcgeography @aangeli @ICTmagic No you facilitatearound the exploration providing opportunity forquestioning and discovery #ukedchat

20:49:23 davidhunter@eyebeams @SwayGrantham @ICTmagic theychoose the content, teachers choose the task. Not true

self dir but great motivator #ukedchat

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20:53:42 caroljallen@ictmagic @eyebeams ...by supporting teachers tofeel free enough to do the same, their energy for expand learning is infectious #ukedchat

20:53:58 Jivespin@ICTmagic It can be if planned effectively and a tapas

approach adopted in setting HL. #ukedchat

20:54 davidhunter@ICTmagic depends on chn creative thinking.do theyhave the questions/possibility thinking? Often not#ukedchat

20:54:03 tmeekycover tables and walls with whiteboard paper and letkids write more naturally when brain dumping as part ofcreative process #ukedchat

20:54:08 MrG_ICT@ictmagic @eyebeams Lets start with questions ratherthan objectives #ukedchat

20:54:21 eyebeams @ICTmagic Of course - you mean it isn't beingdone :) ? #ukedchat20:54:42 ICTmagic @missorourke I like the idea of a help desk. #ukedchat

20:55:16 JohnWink90My Latest: Simplifying the Complexity of Tier 1Intervention http://t.co/sFDRynMD #ukedchat#mathchat #atplc #mschat

20:55:16 aangeli@ICTmagic @eyebeams opening minds curriculumhttp://t.co/QoQFEITI #ukedchat @theRSAorg

20:55:20 judeenright#ukedchat @reallara @dailydenouement @Mr_SJS

has tried it http://t.co/Jc7g8kLz20:55:23 Jivespin

@MrG_ICT Now you are sounding like an educationinsurrectionist! #ukedchat

20:55:56 ICTmagicMy last (big) question - What could teachers do with20% self-directed time? Still working, but on petprojects. What would U do? #ukedchat

20:56:17 eyebeams@aangeli @ICTmagic @theRSAorg Have a look athttp://t.co/AeXhzWF5 #ukedchat

20:56:23 nicoladarling78Looking to build bank of evidence about why iPadswould be better in school that a cheaper androidalternative to share with govs #ukedchat

20:56:42 louisehutchIf anyone cld point me 2 any intr research/blogs e.g ofgood practice re bridging the gender gap @ KS2 wouldbe v grateful #addcym #ukedchat

20:56:57 eyebeams@ICTmagic Nope - possibly a marker board and post itnotes #ukedchat

20:57:11 Jivespin@ICTmagic Probably finish the Student Voice Toolkit Ihave been meaning to finish since October #ukedchat

20:57:29 ICTmagicCan I say I'm loving all the sharing of links.#WeekEndReading #ukedchat

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20:57:31 lcgeography@ICTmagic Personalised CPD through Twitter wouldsurely feature!! #ukedchat

20:57:33 piersyoungWould be fun to spend some of the 20% doing a petproject with mix of students and teachers. #ukedchat

20:58:02 aknill @ICTmagic @eyebeams #ukedchat look at ideas like@missionexplore and exploring activities

20:58:06 aangeli@eyebeams @lcgeography @ICTmagic only if thewhite room looks like this http://t.co/OkQGyc15#ukedchat

20:58:09 eyebeams Another resource http://t.co/qmMXIkHX #ukedchat

20:58:48 ICTmagicBefore you go, please look at https://t.co/Ar8wWJSYabout a #ukedchat this *Saturday*

20:59:31 ICTmagic@aangeli Would you get a pen in the white room?

#ukedchat20:59:51 lcgeography

@aangeli @eyebeams @ictmagic Oh I'm liking thelook of that!! #ukedchat

21:01:01 eyebeams@aangeli @lcgeography @ICTmagic You can buy rollsof cellophane to write on that adheres to walls#ukedchat

21:01:11 mrlockyer#ukedchat Research, explore, experiment, observeand play! #innercurriculum

21:01:28 ukedchatThere are two #ukedchat polls this week. See both at

http://t.co/7WAHFPy8 (scroll down for 2nd poll)

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