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"Creativity, it turns out, is oftenpractice in disguise..."
08:00:12 @ukedchat
It's 8pm & #ukedchat with @ICTEvangelist:"Creativity, it turns out, is often practice in disguise"Unlock creativity with rote learning.
08:01:27 @ICTEvangelistTonight's #ukedchat examines how we can be more
creative08:01:52 @RachelOrr
#UKedchat @ukedchat Creativity means generatingoutcomes that are original and of value.
08:02:27 @RachelOrr
@ukedchat #UKedchat Creativity = imagination,discipline, persistence, inquisitiveness andcollaboration.
08:02:52 @csf0961@ICTEvangelist #ukedchat what is the creativityabout is it teaching creatively or teaching for creativity
08:02:57 @AcademicsUK
Do you ever use Youtube for your lessons? If so, what
are some channels you would recommend for other#teachers? #ukedchat
08:03:12 @ICTEvangelist
In his book Practice Perfect, Doug Lemov talks aboutCreativity. He says:https://www.evernote.com/shard/s38/sh/099aaf01-24bb-4473-b87d-9dfd4b90e99a/f37105fc95cdc1480b99afe1f11c61e6 #ukedchat
08:03:17 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat C ombine R earrange Eliminate A dapt T ry E xtend
08:03:22 @rlj1981
@csf0961: @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat what is thecreativity about is it teaching creatively or teaching forcreativity> we should do both
08:03:27 @ICTEvangelist
In tonight's #ukedchat I'd like us to discuss how wecan be more creative taking on board his commentsabout perfecting base skills
08:03:32 @TeacherTweaks
#ukedchat Creativity doesn't just happen. You need tohave clear structures, engaging stimuli and - most ofall - time to explore!
08:04:07 @ICTEvangelist
#ukedchat being creative through perfecting skillsthrough drilling and rote learning. Is there space forthis in our classrooms?
08:04:22 @aknill
#UKedchat in a class using #solo ongoing practice ofusing stations may encourage risk taking andcreativity at extended abstract stage.
08:04:42 @csf0961#ukedchat teaching for creativityhttp://oro.open.ac.uk/425/2/ Jeffery and Craft 2004
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08:04:47 @ICTEvangelist
@csf0961 in his book, Lemov advocates rote learningso that the brain can be freed up to be creative#ukedchat
08:05:29 @JohnsonAndrew10
#ukedchat Creativity might need a framework and
repetition so learners crawl, walk, and run, but shouldstop there to allow learners to fly
08:05:42 @ICTEvangelist @csf0961 creativity with a Big C or little c? #ukedchat
08:06:17 @ukedchat
Tonight's full #UKedchat question can be seen athttp://ukedchat.com/forum-2/ukedchat-topics/creativity-it-turns-out-is-often-practice-in-disguise/#p43 (It's a long one!)
08:06:29 @RachelOrr
@ukedchat #UKedchat What promotes creativity is aquestioning classroom, where teachers ask unusual
and challenging questions.
08:07:42 @ICTmagic
@RachelOrr I'm interested by 'value' aspect ofcreativity. Not sure that's always true. Value can be inthe eye of the beholder. #ukedchat
08:07:47 @RachelOrr
@ukedchat #UKedchat education systems give equalweight to measuring all things they value, not thosethings that are easily measurable.
08:08:29 @RachelOrr
@ICTmagic Value can be driven by the individualneeds of each school and is therefore for thebeholder. #ukedchat @ukedchat
08:08:42 @ICTEvangelist
@TeacherTweaks: #ukedchat You need to haveclear structures, engaging stimuli and - most of all -time to explore! And time to practice?
08:08:47 @ICTEvangelist
@SurrealAnarchy: #ukedchat Difficult because quoteis out of context but is he separating creativity &creative thinking? Good q.
08:09:29 @RachelOrr @JohnsonAndrew10 Two way street. #ukedchat
08:09:42 @aknill
#UKedchat having many opportunities to develop anidea and be spontaneous or creative in extending itmay be supported by core skill set
08:09:47 @ukedchat
Sign up to the #UKedchat bulletin to stay up to datewith topics, posts & view the best links shared on thehashtag! http://ukedchat.us7.list-manage1.com/subscribe?u=e97344da33f46a7dbb6f16fe4&id=ec47899e39
08:10:29 @rlj1981
@ICTmagic @RachelOrr but value better outcomesfor learners, esp for mine in terms of exam results andtransferable skills? #ukedchat
08:10:42 @ICTEvangelist @SurrealAnarchy #UKedchat he talks about
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perfecting skills so that brain is freed up to be creativeunder duress.
08:11:42 @manuela69
Root Word Bingo!http://www.teacherspayteachers.com/Product/Root-
Words-Bingo-Plus-Root-Word-TESTS-427687 #ccss#edchat #edchatie #ukedchat
08:11:47 @TeacherTweaks
#ukedchat Nightmare moment when NQT. "Ok guys,let's get creative!" A sea of blank faces... Creativitytakes practice, I've learnt.
08:12:29 @lisibo
@RachelOrr @ukedchat and where pupilsinteresting challenging questions and perspectives areencouraged and addressed. #UKedchat
08:12:42 @ICTEvangelist
RT @csf0961: @ICTEvangelist I think in teaching that
mini c is more appropriate - creativity of the novice#ukedchat
08:12:47 @RachelOrr
@rlj1981 @ICTmagic Agreed. Transferable skillsneed to be used and applied across all areas oflearning. #UKedchat
08:13:29 @RachelOrr
@ukedchat #UKedchat Creative thinking is also aboutjudgement our ability to judge the value of ideas andoutputs.
08:13:42 @ICTEvangelist
@csf0961 what about creativity of teachers?Practicing answering questions for eg can buildautomaticity allowing better learning #ukedchat
08:13:47 @aknill
@TeacherTweaks #UKedchat springing creativityneeds a back up set of skills for teachers and pupilsand a willingness to take risks.
08:14:29 @ICTmagic
@rlj1981 @RachelOrr Was thinking in the widercontext. If I make something I squirrel away mymasterpiece. I've not been creative? #ukedchat
08:14:42 @ICTEvangelist@SurrealAnarchy great point Martin - can youelaborate? #ukedchat
08:14:47 @rlj1981
@TeacherTweaks you don't present it as *creative*just this is something we are trying to help ourlearning. #UKedchat
08:15:29 @lisibo@RachelOrr: @lisibo @ukedchat #UKedchatEmbracing the diversity! Agreed!!
08:15:42 @ukedchat
Have teachers lost their nerve to be creative as theaccountability agenda demands a pedagogical shift toensure OfSTED "success"? #ukedchat
08:15:47 @MiddleLeaders Huge rise in 'Social CPD' as teachers flock to twitter
and other social media to share experience, expertise
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and resources. #UKedchat
08:16:29 @RachelOrr
@ukedchat #UKedchat Develop methods & principlesof assessment that recognise & value the aims &outcomes of creative & cultural education.
08:16:42 @TeacherTweaks @JohnsonAndrew10 #ukedchat Yes, that too. I nowshow classes my attempts, good & bad!
08:16:47 @rlj1981
@SurrealAnarchy agreed! Time constraints, and noninfinite resources can produce the most creative work,approaches, thinking.... #ukedchat
08:17:29 @csf0961
@ICTEvangelist #ukedchat although practice cansupport developing creativity I am challenged by rotelearning being creative
08:17:42 @RachelOrr
@ukedchat #UKedchat There should be a clear focus
on the needs of learners and effective learningstrategies and approaches.
08:17:47 @ICTEvangelist
@csf0961 its rote learning to allow for drilling of keyskills so that creativity can flourish on top of thosecore skills #ukedchat
08:18:29 @janeyb222@ukedchat I still think that there is scope for creativeways to meet the demands of OFSTED. #ukedchat
08:18:42 @SurrealAnarchy@ICTEvangelist #UKedchat This is, what I call in#trivium21c, the 'grammar' of the domain...
08:18:47 @rlj1981 @ICTmagic @RachelOrr I read Beghetto/Kaufman2007 on this today. They would call that a 'little-C'.Happy to send you the article?#ukedchat
08:19:18 @JosephBaldwin
@ukedchat Is there correlation between time and theconfidence to experiment + unleash creativity? 'Take arisk, have a go' #ukedchat
08:19:29 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat Emphasise imagination andpursue a purpose.
08:20:42 @ICTmagic
@RachelOrr I disagree that the act of creativity is onlylabelled as such when it has recognition. Surely it isabout intent. #ukedchat
08:20:47 @TeacherTweaks
@rlj1981 Important lesson I've learnt. Climateimportant. Now try to build in opps to do somethingdifferent, see how they respond #ukedchat
08:21:18 @ukedchat
#UKedchat is always on the look out for hosts for thecommunity's Thurs night sessions. If you're interested,please get in touch.
08:21:29 @ICTEvangelist@Gwenelope @csf0961 yes, and PE teachers do tobuild in muscle memory in skill etc etc #ukedchat
08:21:33 @rlj1981 @SurrealAnarchy @ICTEvangelist can you explain
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what you mean- dialectic? I only understand this interms of Hegel/Marx. Sorry! #ukedchat
08:21:47 @ICTmagic@rlj1981 @RachelOrr Yes. I would love to read it. :)#ukedchat
08:22:18 @rlj1981 @JamesTheo @ukedchat owww unsure it is one *or*the other? #ukedchat
08:22:29 @JosephBaldwin
@JamesTheo @ukedchat aren't the hand in hand?Shouldn't creativity be innate in any learningenvironment? #UKedchat
08:22:42 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat There should be lessemphasis on what is being taught and more on how.
08:22:47 @MsFindlater
@TeacherTweaks time is key. Time to focus outdistractions of everyday life. An opportunity to loose
oneself in the learning. #UKedchat
08:23:42 @danielharvey9
@JamesTheo @ukedchat #ukedchat depends on theview form ofsted about what creativity is. For many the2 go hand in hand and so a non debate
08:23:47 @JamesTheo#ukedchat Creativity is a means not an end. Itshouldn't be the focus of teaching.
08:25:18 @tstarkey1212#ukedchat is looking interesting tonight - give it a lookif you haven't already.
08:25:47 @ukedchatWhen you have finished #UKedchat-ting... next
week's topic poll is ready at http://ukedchat.com/poll/
08:26:18 @Gwenelope
@ukedchat I'm sure I have, depends a) how well YOUunderstand their criteria and b) worries of HOWobserver applies it. #ukedchat
08:26:29 @csf0961
#ukedchat perhaps one of the issues around creativityis that it is a subjective concept that is difficult tomeasure and thus assess
08:26:42 @rlj1981
@TeacherTweaks agreed! Not just about classroompractice, also choice in homework- building inopportunities for learners to shine #ukedchat
08:26:47 @ICTEvangelist
@SurrealAnarchy: Or, through sub consciouspractice challenging the orthodoxy by doing diff eachtime: think Dick Fosbury 'flop' #ukedchat
08:27:18 @JamesTheo
@rlj1981 @ukedchat Well, as creativity is a meansand learning is an end, it is important to focus on theend and not the means. #ukedchat
08:27:29 @RachelOrr#UKedchat @ukedchat Never lose sight of theimportance of knowledge and skills.
08:27:42 @ICTEvangelist
Do you think learners can develop core skills by being
creative? #ukedchat
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08:27:47 @RachelOrr
#UKedchat Pupils can engage creatively/ purposefullywith the challenges they encounter if they have a solidbase of knowledge and skills.
08:28:18 @MsFindlater@janeyb222 @ukedchat completely agree.
#UKedchat08:28:29 @JamesTheo
@MiddleLeaders @ukedchat What? Really?#ukedchat
08:28:42 @rlj1981@csf0961 working with people, always hard toquantify! #ukedchat
08:28:47 @MsFindlater@rlj1981 @ICTmagic @RachelOrr yes please#UKedchat
08:29:18 @TeacherTweaks
@rlj1981 Yes we've just moved to hw projects at KS3lasting 3/4 weeks so students can really get stuck in &
produce something fab! #ukedchat
08:29:29 @SurrealAnarchy
@rlj1981 @ICTEvangelist No need to apologise, it's in#trivium21c have a look at the reviews & amazonpreview: will explain a bit #ukedchat
08:29:42 @aknill
@danielharvey9 @csf0961 #ukedchat surely we donot have to assess everything that happens - creativitymay reinforce learning on agendas.
08:29:47 @JosephBaldwin
@ICTEvangelist I think they can learn any skill whilstbring creative. Depends what your measure of'creative' is... #UKedchat
08:30:18 @RachelOrr
@JohnsonAndrew10 @ukedchat #UKedchat Value &include a wide range of attitudes, dispositions & skills,as well as achievement in subjects.
08:30:29 @ukedchat
@JohnsonAndrew10 @janeyb222 Please try to usethe #ukedchat tag, and avoid the ukedchat @account. Thank you.
08:30:42 @MsFindlater @RachelOrr @ukedchat #UKedchat love this
08:30:47 @Gwenelope
@janeyb222 @ukedchat And if you come out with a 3or 4 grading,how confident are you to do so whencompetence called into question?#ukedchat
08:31:18 @MiddleLeadersGreat to see so many teachers actively engaged in'Social CPD' as #ukedchat is in full flow this evening.
08:31:29 @RachelOrr
@ICTmagic #UKedchat Focus on attitudes and skillsfound in the aims of the curriculum and essentials forlearning and life.
08:31:42 @ICTEvangelist
How does the practicing of key skills affect SENlearners? Can fostering skills to achieve creativityactually not be inclusive? #ukedchat
08:31:47 @csf0961 @danielharvey9 #UKedchat I passionately believe in
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creativity and its impact but feel that it looses outbecause it is so nebulous
08:32:13 @MsFindlater@agwilliams9 @JamesTheo @JamesTheo hmmm.Not sure about that. #UKedchat
08:32:19 @rlj1981@JosephBaldwin my students focus on evaluativeskills. Its easier to build these with more creative T&Lthan with worksheets &PP. #ukedchat
08:32:38 @ICTEvangelist@MrOCallaghanEdu @TeacherTweaks use the#ukedchat hash tag bud ;)
08:32:45 @davidhunter
I like to think of a balance between creativity andconsumption.I like my chn, for instance, to createmore than they consume #ukedchat
08:32:57 @ICTEvangelist@csf0961 @danielharvey9 what do you mean by that
Clare? #ukedchat
08:33:13 @aknill
@Gwenelope @janeyb222 #ukedchat If creativity ispart of your practice I would hope that you would havefeedback from managers before ofsted
08:33:19 @JamesTheo@MsFindlater @agwilliams9 Yep, me neither.#ukedchat
08:33:38 @danielharvey9
@csf0961 #ukedchat I try to do things as best I can,as often as I can to keep things fresh and engaging.For me it's not an overt goal
08:33:45 @TheMathsMagpie Does giving students a 'Recipe for Success' 'Successcriteria' stifle their creativity? #ukedchat
08:33:57 @RachelOrr
#UKedchat questioning/challenging; makingconnections/seeing relationships; envisaging whatmight be; exploring ideas/keeping options open
08:34:13 @MsFindlater
@ICTEvangelist absolutely. Have done this manytimes in the classroom. Did it for OFSTED under newframework & was outstanding. #UKedchat
08:34:19 @SurrealAnarchyAnother way of seeing: Do you want kids to beuncreative? #UKedchat
08:34:38 @MsFindlater @SurrealAnarchy some yes. #UKedchat
08:34:45 @ICTEvangelist@MsFindlater Awesome! Can you give examples /elaborate Sarah for others? #ukedchat
08:34:57 @Gwenelope
@ICTEvangelist I think SEN teaching makes youMORE creative in how you teach your subject. Had tore-learn with 100% SEN class. #ukedchat
08:35:03 @ICTmagic
I'm interested to know where creativity thinking fits intoschooling. Is it valued? Can it be fostered, but allowedto run free? #ukedchat
08:35:19 @davidhunter Basic skills do not have to be particularly creative.
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Letter layout or column adding is what it is. How youthen use them can be. #ukedchat
08:35:20 @magicalmaths
Get your class to whack the penguin in the name ofAverages - #pgce #ukedchat #edchat
http://tinyurl.com/lsecv33
08:35:31 @MsFindlater
@ICTEvangelist not saying this approach is essentialfor every lesson. But can be wonderful and should bedipped into if you can! #UKedchat
08:35:45 @crazyscience34
@TeacherTweaks difficult when managers makeevery teacher so uniform -this only pushes staff in opdirection #UKedchat
08:35:52 @MsFindlater @Gwenelope @ICTEvangelist so agree. #UKedchat
08:36:03 @tstarkey1212The problem I have with 'creative' is that it's often
used as a synonym for 'indirect'. #ukedchat
08:36:19 @MsFindlater
@ICTEvangelist @tstarkey1212 I think skills can betaught through a creative process as well as rote andboth have benefits. #UKedchat
08:36:20 @aknill@Gwenelope @janeyb222 #ukedchat yes can see owteacher creativity important.
08:36:31 @RachelOrr
@ukedchat #UKedchat imagining what the future andabove all the ability to cope with choice, uncertaintyand the unknown
08:36:45 @Gwenelope @tstarkey1212 Yes, it can do. It's a woolly term.#ukedchat
08:36:52 @rlj1981
@JosephBaldwin outputs would be filledin sheet¬es. Not same as being part of bigger thinking tosolve problems & link to exam #UKedchat
08:37:03 @ICTEvangelist
@TeacherTweaks @crazyscience34 scaffolding asconstructs but freedom to explore. Same 4 students &staff #ukedchat
08:37:19 @crazyscience34@TeacherTweaks love project based learning ! Kidsget so much out of it #UKedchat
08:37:20 @danielharvey9
@csf0961 @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat impact onstudents' learning and understanding can howeverand this is what's important #always
08:37:31 @TeacherTweaks
@JohnsonAndrew10 @crazyscience34 #ukedchatSome are put off creative approaches because theythink it's fluffy. Show rigour in what you do.
08:37:45 @MsFindlater
@SurrealAnarchy sorry, miss read that! I thought yousaid do some kids want to be uncreative. To that Imean some yes! #UKedchat
08:38:19 @ICTmagic @rlj1981 Super. Glad to hear it. But I meant the
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creativity of the students. (Sometimes 140 is notenough) #ukedchat
08:38:20 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat Effective teaching extendspupils intellectually, creatively and physically.
08:38:31 @aknill#ukedchat before I dash - from reading Oops by@HYWEL_ROBERTS the last few days I engageactively in creative lures within my classroom.
08:38:45 @SurrealAnarchy
@ICTmagic The constraints, the limits, the finishingor: the notes, the deadline, the performance make theact! #UKedchat
08:38:52 @davidhunterAnyone had any success with' Google time'?#ukedchat
08:39:03 @danielharvey9
@csf0961 @aknill #ukedchat surely the means to
achieve great outcomes should be also be valued,captured and shared
08:39:19 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat Give credit for imaginativelessons and learning that is vivid, real and relevant.
08:39:20 @JosephBaldwin
@rlj1981 I meant would there be QR codes on thesheet that would lead to videos, web links, revisiondebate q's. Make it creative #UKedchat
08:39:31 @tstarkey1212
@MsFindlater @ICTEvangelist I'd also suggest youcan teach by rote creatively. It's a hard one to pindown. #ukedchat
08:39:45 @ukedchat
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08:39:50 @MsFindlater @tstarkey1212 @ICTEvangelist agreed. #ukedchat
08:39:52 @Primary_Ed
Teachers don't necessarily need to be creative, theyjust need to provide opportunities for children to becreative. #ukedchat #edchat
08:40:32 @davidhunter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY&feature=youtube_gdata_player ifyou haven't seen this Ken Robinson video oncreativity, you should #ukedchat
08:40:42 @ICTmagic
@SurrealAnarchy I see. Are those limits errr... limitedto schools? Perhaps more acute in schools, but awider issue? #ukedchat
08:40:45 @rlj1981 @JosephBaldwin nice or use AR! #ukedchat
08:41:21 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat thinking and behavingcreatively bring vitality to learning
08:41:24 @ICTmagic @rlj1981 Interesting that they have to learn it. Are
humans inherently creativity? When does that change
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in early life? #ukedchat
08:41:27 @truan_steve
Scary thought that creativity not imp as it can't bemeasured If we do that then we are continually puttingglass ceilings on YP #UKedchat
08:41:37 @LessonToolbox
T&L Tip from @miss_hlb MT Use magnetic letters totest students' spelling of key wordspic.twitter.com/HnUT9MXMKP #Literacy #edchat#ukedchat
08:41:47 @davidhunter@ICTmagic @rlj1981 when you go to school#ukedchat
08:41:57 @Stephen_Logan
An essential #enterprise skill is creativity. Being ableto think of solutions and see different outcomes.@ukedchat #UKedchat
08:42:08 @ICTEvangelist From the same book, "Drilling creates a foundation onwhich individual initiative and imagination can flourish"#ukedchat
08:42:15 @csf0961@ICTmagic @rlj1981 #ukedchat perhaps we shouldbe asking why does that change
08:42:18 @rlj1981
@ICTmagic life can do a lot to beat creativity out ofkids. It's a pleasure to teach them to play, explore,experiment even 16-19 #ukedchat
08:43:28 @s_armitage
A creative school is not an exam factory, it is notleague table obsessed, it allows and promotesfreedom for HoDs too #UKedchat
08:43:32 @crazyscience34
@JohnsonAndrew10 @TeacherTweaks #UKedchatovercome the pressures of not being creative by doingit anyway.Frowned upon@times but hey!
08:43:42 @NQTUK
@dockers_hoops: Live chat for NQTs: Thursday 30August, 4pm to 6pm: http://bit.ly/MZrph4 #nqtadvice#NQT #ukedchat #NQTchat @NQTUK
08:43:45 @ICTmagic @SurrealAnarchy Indeed. :) #ukedchat
08:44:21 @s_armitage
Technology can also free up that creativity. Thatswhat I am looking forward to in the next year.@syded06 #ukedchat
08:44:24 @SurrealAnarchy Does Ken Robinson kill creativity? #UKedchat08:44:27 @davidhunter @SurrealAnarchy single handedly? #ukedchat
08:44:37 @RachelOrr@ukedchat #UKedchat Pupils can learn more whenallowed to do own research.
08:45:47 @MsFindlater
@RachelOrr @ukedchat especially with our SEN andmore vulnerable students. As long as the choices aremeaningful. #UKedchat
08:45:57 @jo3grace #ukedchat #sensory learning can give you a new take
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on things & boost creativity. http://jo.element42.org/
08:45:58 @Gwenelope@ICTmagic @davidhunter May depend whichcategory your school is in. #ukedchat
08:46:18 @RachelOrr
@ukedchat #UKedchat This leaves no boundaries to
what can be learnt, and pupils learn as much as theywant about anything in the project.
08:46:28 @davidhunter@SurrealAnarchy @s_armitage @syded06 buttechnology is the essence of creativity #ukedchat
08:46:32 @ICTmagic
@rlj1981 Risk is a HUGE part of creativity. (Bring meback to the 'value' aspect too) Can failures be creativefailures? #ukedchat
08:46:42 @urban_teacher
Creativity is also about giving students richexperiences that inspire them and from there they can
come up with their own ideas. #ukedchat
08:46:45 @ICTEvangelist
RT @SurrealAnarchy: @s_armitage @syded06technology can stifle creativity too, #ukedchat < that iswhy scaffolding is essential
08:46:59 @RachelOrr
@MsFindlater @ukedchat Sometimes guided choiceis needed when developing the skills of making goodchoices. #UKedchat
08:47:21 @s_armitage
@SurrealAnarchy @syded06 all bad teaching stiflescreativity. Technology is surely no different. Bad useof anything is bad. #ukedchat
08:48:24 @Gwenelope
@rlj1981 @csf0961 @ICTmagic That also needs tobe applied to teachers. #learnerstoo#notalwaysthecase #ukedchat
08:48:27 @JamesTheo
"@RachelOrr @ukedchat #UKedchat Pupils can learnmore when allowed to do own research." Hmmm.They 'can'. But will they? Probably not.
08:48:37 @SurrealAnarchy@joeybagstock I wonder if Ken Robinson's neo-Platonic zeal might be misplaced? #UKedchat
08:48:47 @ICTEvangelist
@urban_teacher saw a great example of that todayfrom @chrisleach78 in his planning 4 a Motorsportunit #ukedchat #richexperience
08:48:57 @musicmind
@ICTEvangelist bn observing, collating and creativelyanalysing all comments - conclusion - seriouslycreative responses #UKedchat prfct
08:48:58 @danielharvey9@JohnsonAndrew10 @s_armitage #ukedchat As istalking and writing. #sounddecisionmakingandchoices
08:49:18 @Sue_Cowley
If you want to be creative, you have to stop caringwhat others think and take risks. Do schools mitigate
against creativity? #UKedchat
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08:49:28 @crazyscience34
Totally agree its about giving learners informedchoices and having the confidence to eg deliver theirideas in different ways #ukedchat
08:49:32 @truan_steve
Creativity the base for whole learning Unless of
course u want Gove like cyborg students thatremember facts for 3 hour exams ... #UKedchat
08:49:42 @rlj1981
@ICTmagic course! Hugely important to role modelrisk taking and how to deal with failure. Do you giveup? No you fight back! #ukedchat
08:49:45 @RachelOrr
@JamesTheo @ukedchat #UKedchat Won't happenover night but if culture for learning is developed thatway, it can happen. #flippedclassroom
08:48:24 @tstarkey1212@RachelOrr @ukedchat 'As much as they want' fills
me with fear and dread. #ukedchat
08:48:27 @SurrealAnarchy
@s_armitage @syded06 Example ofkeyboard/synthesiser rather than piano for year 7music lessons I think piano 'more' creative #ukedchat
08:48:29 @davidhunter@Gwenelope @ICTmagic similarly it is one of the firstgrand opportunities for collaboration #ukedchat
08:48:37 @RachelOrr
@joeybagstock @ukedchat #UKedchat Thinking offlipped classroom and project based learning. Notsuggesting every lesson.
08:48:47 @musicmind
@ICTEvangelist Open an empty box and say I've lostall my thinking can you help me? Watch, listen andsee the magic happen #ukedchat
08:48:57 @urban_teacher
How To Promote Creativity In The Classroomhttp://goo.gl/fb/bTEJa via @edudemic #ukedchat#edchat
08:48:58 @specialsciteach
@ukedchat sometimes the term creative is used tomean 'just do something to entertain them' whichmisses the point #ukedchat
08:49:18 @Stephen_Logan
Creativity is about giving students opportunities.Enrichment and exposure to different experiences.#UKedchat @ukedchat
08:49:28 @truan_steve
... And then fail to be able to have an independentthought of their own or communicate with anyoneoutside of their cyborg troop #UKedchat
08:49:32 @RachelOrr@tstarkey1212 @ukedchat #UKedchat Makeslearning have no limits - extend, expand and explore.
08:49:42 @ICTEvangelist
@truan_steve Ahhh - but what is intoxicating is thatHOTS are impossible without strongly established
facts & knowledge #ukedchat
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08:49:45 @Sue_Cowley
If you want creative children, sometimes let themthrow away what they produce rather than saving it asa 'finished piece'. #UKedchat
08:50:15 @chrisleach78
@ICTEvangelist @urban_teacher and here is my
motorsport themed planninghttp://chrisleach78.co.uk/?p=1206 #UKedchat
08:50:22 @davidhunter
@ICTmagic I think we as teachers are surely moreacutely aware of the imp of creativity. But we arefighting against consumerism #ukedchat
08:50:34 @ICTEvangelist
@SurrealAnarchy @s_armitage @syded06 i'ddisagree there but think piano part of the picture interms of skill acquisition #ukedchat
08:50:47 @SurrealAnarchy
@Sue_Cowley Where it falls apart is the closed
outcomes demanded - the arts (liberal) are openended: expression should be free #ukedchat
08:50:58 @rlj1981@Sue_Cowley ooooohh not done that- explain?#ukedchat
08:51:18 @specialsciteach
@ukedchat I like 'creative and contextual' for mySEND science, kids often reluctant to be independentIt's a work in progress #ukedchat
08:51:22 @crazyscience34
@Primary_Ed #UKedchat I've found modellingcreative thinking allows pupils to start allowingthemselves to be more creative too
08:51:28 @JosephBaldwin @rlj1981 LOVE AR! #UKedchat
08:51:32 @englishlulu
@ukedchat #ukedchat creativity shouldn't be aboutmy strategies or activities but about how studentsrespond to content
08:51:34 @JamesTheo
@Stephen_Logan @ukedchat Yeh, but so is...'teaching'. That definition is not exclusive to creativity.#ukedchat
08:51:47 @rlj1981@JosephBaldwin me too. Awesome for creating,reflecting, evaluating... #geekchic #UKedchat
08:51:58 @ICTmagic@rlj1981 Just a bee in my sizable bonnet. I will ceasethat particular point now. #ukedchat
08:52:18 @SurrealAnarchy
@ICTEvangelist @s_armitage @syded06 Piano ismore 'limited' the sound more 'human': far moreimportant for 'grammar' of playing #ukedchat
08:52:23 @danielharvey9
@ICTEvangelist @truan_steve #ukedchat and thebasis for knowledge and idea progression is based oneither evolution or replacement
08:52:28 @crazyscience34 #ukedchat using props and dressing up even in
character to embed a concept has often worked for
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me
08:52:32 @ICTEvangelist
@csf0961 @ICTmagic @rlj1981 KS2 / 3 transitionplays a massive part in spoiling the creative learningskills sts develop @ primary #ukedchat
08:52:42 @danielharvey9@ICTEvangelist @truan_steve #ukedchat and allgreat theories/ideas have emerged from conflict ofaccepted norms with challenges 2/3
08:52:45 @mrlockyer
#UKedchat It's just as important for teachers to becreative. Finding the best way to teach something canlead to complacency
08:52:56 @chrisleach78
#Ukedchat I once got told off by SMT for being toocreative (or rather more creative than the other y6teachers)
08:52:56 @RachelOrr @joeybagstock @ukedchat #UKedchat Absolutely.Has to be inbuilt into a school's culture and being.
08:53:02 @rlj1981@urban_teacher fear of failure, fear of SLT, fear ofOFSTED.. Agreed! We need to be braver! #ukedchat
08:53:09 @specialsciteach
@musicmind @JamesTheo @ukedchat I was trying tosay that some senior leaders misinterpret the term. Iwas unclear sorry #ukedchat
08:53:12 @TheMathsMagpie
@mrlockyer yes and if something works for 90% oflearners, the other 10% may need several otherapproaches to understanding #ukedchat
08:53:10 @s_armitage
@SurrealAnarchy my son play piano. he alsocomposes on #GarageBand and adds to animationson #icananminate. Tech facilitates this. #ukedchat
08:54:33 @ICTmagic
@rlj1981 Seems like a hot topic. I'm sure there mustbe research... Research on transition, anyone?@ICTEvangelist @csf0961 #ukedchat
08:54:43 @danielharvey9
@ICTEvangelist @truan_steve #ukedchat seeevolution, Einstienian physics, DNA etc for how factsand creativity provide leaps n understanding
08:54:52 @rlj1981@chrisleach78 oh I get this *all the time. 'Can't theyjust take notes' Uh no. #ukedchat
08:55:12 @dhulston#UKedchat using "might" more and nurturing atolerance for ambiguity
08:55:27 @englishlulu
@ukedchat #ukedchat our culture of "no answer iswrong" can lead to my best answer is often just myfirst answer
08:55:36 @rlj1981@ICTmagic @ICTEvangelist @csf0961 anyonelooking for a PhD topic?! #ukedchat
08:55:45 @crazyscience34 @chrisleach78 #UKedchat I can sympathise- some
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staff in charge kept telling us we had to teach "this" ina certain way- killing creativity
08:55:57 @ICTEvangelist
7 mins left of #ukedchat final comments to Q: Howcan we unlock creativity in students & teachers via
rote learning advocated by Lemov?08:56:04 @ICTmagic
@MissSMerrill I would be interested to hear yourviews #DrawsYouIn #UKedchat
08:56:23 @specialsciteach@musicmind @JamesTheo @ukedchat thanks *proudgrin* I did something right for a change!! #ukedchat
08:56:43 @SurrealAnarchy@s_armitage bit like times tables before calculator ;-)#UKedchat
08:56:51 @truan_steve
@davidhunter @ICTEvangelist #ukedchat So toddlersaren't creative when they play and learn through the
play???
08:56:51 @jillberry102
@mrlockyer I think school leaders at all levels need tobe creative, too. Need to be creative to get the bestout of everyone. #UKedchat
08:57:11 @Stephen_LoganCreativity also involves risk taking. #ukedchat@ukedchat
08:57:15 @theICTadvisor@jillberry102 being creative will also foster a sense offreedom, which can only be good #ukedchat
08:57:21 @s_armitage
@Stephen_Logan: Creativity also involves risk
taking. #ukedchat @ukedchat agree. Must createenvironment in which risk-taking is possible
08:57:24 @urban_teacher
Creativity isn't always perfect, great timing, looks goodon the eye, full control, complete focus....sometimesits the opposite #ukedchat
08:57:27 @muttleyknight Damn wish I had joined in tonight !!! #ukedchat
08:57:37 @musicmind
@ICTEvangelist And I would like to thank YOU Mark -rapturous applause from Wales ! and a special NinjaKung Fu Panda move #UKedchat
08:57:42 @danielharvey9
@ukedchat #ukedchat creativity just is. Very hard tomanufacture from a teacher's view and to supportstudents. Do what you think it best
08:57:47 @TheMathsMagpie
I guess there are plenty of things we learn by rote - eglearning to tie shoelaces - is there a creative waywhich is quicker? #ukedchat
08:57:58 @ICTEvangelist
The least 'creative' teacher can be creative once theyhave practiced, mastered & then practiced again aspecific skill #ukedchat #pedagogy
08:58:18 @rlj1981
Really enjoyed #ukedchat tonight- thanks @ukedchat
and especially @ICTEvangelist was a blast : )
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08:58:20 @TheMathsMagpie@ICTEvangelist Thank you for hosting Mark#ukedchat
08:58:28 @specialsciteach
P.S. I'm looking for a job #ukedchat ... Check out myblog http://specialsciteach.blogspot.co.uk now it's
over it's ok to tweet this :)
08:58:32 @danielharvey9
@ukedchat #ukedchat for learners and strive toincrease width of ideas and expertise base. Then itwill look after itself
08:58:42 @ICTEvangelist @specialsciteach it's 20:59! lol #ukedchat
08:58:45 @muttleyknightCreate an environment of experiment! Classroom asLaboratory of creativity ! #ukedchat
08:59:15 @Sheffield68
#WarofSpanishIntimidation #Gibraltar visit for RoyalNavy warship. says MoD http://bbc.in/15RX51o
#GhostsofEmpiresPast #ukedchat
08:59:22 @dhulston
#UKedchat facilit8 as many opportunities for children2 enquire & make sense of the world themselves &the skills and materials to express
08:59:34 @jillberry102 dave hulston @dhulston 5m
09:00:00 @ukedchat
It's 9pm. Huge thanks to @ICTEvangelist for hostingtonights #ukedchat. The archive will be athttp://ukedchat.com/2013/08/08/session-163/ soon.
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