Project Camelot Jim Marrs Transcript

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JimMarrs:TheRiseoftheFourthReichinAmericaLaughlin,Nevada,February2009

Introduction

JimMarrs(JM):...anditwasonthewaytotheprinter,andthensomebodysomewherejustsaid:No.Anditstopped.BillRyan(BR):Ihaveapieceofoff-recordinformationforyou,Jim,whichwecangointobackchannelifyouwantto.JM:Okay.BR:IhaveitinwritingfromKitGreen--thattheremoteviewingprogramwasnevercloseddown,andwentunderground...JM:Yeah.BR:...withtheuseofdrugs,hypnosisandelectronics.Ihavethisinwriting.Butmaybethisisoldnews.


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KerryCassidy(KC):ThatsoldnewstoJim...!JM:Whatswildthoughis,Illtellyou,heresmytake:ifyougoasksomebodyingovernment:Doyouhavearemoteviewingunit?Theyregoingtosay:No.And,technically,Ithinktheyretellingthetruth.Becausewhenyousayitwentunderground,whattheydidwastheyjustspreaditallout.Now,allthesevariousorganizations,suchasNavySEALS,ArmyRangersandtheDEAandalllikethat,theyallhavetheremoteviewers.BR:Mmhm.KC:Thatsright.JM:Butitsnot...theyrenot...Theydonthaveaset,youknow,officialprogramofremoteviewers,theyjustblendedthemallinwitheverybodyelse.StartofinterviewKC:ThisisProjectCamelot--KerryCassidyandBillRyan--andwereherewithJimMarrs.Hesaverywellknownwriter;verystronginvestigator.Heswrittenseveralverywellknownbooks,verysuccessfulbooks:CrossfireandRulebySecrecyandAlienAgendaandTheRiseoftheFourthReich.AndwereactuallyheretotalktoJimaboutTheRiseoftheFourthReich.[speakingdirectlytoJim]Weregoingtokindofconcentrateonthatarea,butwewanttogoalloverthemap,becauseIknowthatthesecretsofremoteviewingissomethingyourevery,veryfamiliar

with,and...Youvejustcoveredthewholegamut--itsreallyamazing--andyoudosoinaverycoherentway.Itsveryunderstandable.Ithinkthatnoonecanreadoneofyourbooksandgo:WellthatsthemostoutlandishthingIeverheard,itsnottrue.Ithinkthatbasicallyyoubackupeverythingyouvegottosay.Youwereajournalistoriginally,isthatright?JM:Stillam.[laughs]KC:Okay.Stillworking,aworkingjournalist...JM:Right.KC:...ontopofyourbooks,and...JM:Unfortunatelytheresnorealjournalsaroundanymore;[laughs]onlycorporateadvertisingdeliverysystems.

KC:Right,absolutely.And,basically,youreconsideredsomethingofanexpertontheKennedyassassinationaswell,arentyou?JM:Well,thatswhereIcutmyteeth,asaworkingnewspapermanintheDallas,FortWortharea,goingallthewaybacktothe60s.KC:Amazing.So,yourealsodoingthecircuit,youretalkingatvariousconferences,andwereheretodayatLaughlin--wheretheUFOCongressisbeingheld--andyouvejustgivenawonderfulspeech.So,whatwewanttodoistalkaboutwhereAmericaisgoingfromyourpointofview,getsomeofthebackground--thebackground,theNazisandsoon--andwhatyouvebeentalkingaboutinyournewestbook.Andalso,then,sortofcirclebackaroundandtalkalittlebitabout

UFOs,thesecrecy,andwhatmightbeseeninthefuture.BR:IhaveaquestionofmyownwhichIcouldaddthereasanadjunct,whichis:whywouldsomebodybetalkingaboutTheRiseoftheFourthReichataUFOconference?Howsthatforaquestion?JM:[laughs]KC:Well,okay,andIhavetosaythatwereinsomeinterestingtimesrightnow,thatareactuallybringingforththisquestioningthatIthinkis...notevenjustUFOnuts,butpoliticalaficionados,themanonthestreet;everyonesquestioningtheirrealityrightnow,


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Ithink...JM:Ithink...KC:...andwhywhatshappeninginAmericaisgoingon.JM:Ithinkyoureabsolutelycorrect.Becauseofthecrumblingeconomy,andbecausesomanypeoplearenowwakingupandrealizethatnomatterwhethertheyvoteforademocratorrepublicantheyseemtogetthesamesocialistprograms,theyarenowbeginningtorealizethatthereisawholedifferentparadigmthanwhatisportrayedinthecorporatemassmedia.Andso,thequestionis,whyamItalkingaboutTheFourthReichataUFOCongress?AndIthinktheanswerisbecausepeoplewhodisregardthesubjectofUFOsandwhojustwritethatoffasjusttotalfantasyandlunacy;theywillnever,ever,beabletofigureoutwhatstrulyhappeningintheworldbecausetheyretossingoutabigpieceofthepuzzle.Itsallpartofthesamebigmosaicandyouhavetoputallthesepiecestogethertofigureoutwhatsgoingon.Justasaforinstance:ItrulybelievethatoneofthemainreasonsforourprecipitousinvasionofIraqwastomakeabeelineforBaghdad,anduseamobsceneasacover,foraveryconcertedefforttoloottheIraqiNationalMuseum.Whatweretheyafter?Theywereafternewlydiscoveredartifacts,tablets,scrollsandsuchthatwerebeingfoundintheancientSumeriancitiesofUrukandsomeofthese

otherplacesbyFrenchandGermanarchaeologicalteams--interestinglyenough,thetwocountrieswhoweremostopposedtoourentryintoIraq.Andwhatwastaken?Verypossiblyknowledgeofancientenergymanipulationtechnology.Andthisgetsintoanti-gravityandabunchofweirdandexotictechnologiesthatconventionalsciencewouldlaughat.Butthen,whenyoureallystudytheissue,youfindthatthesetechnologieshavebeenworkedonsinceatleastWorldWarIIandhavebeenkeptunderveryultra-secretclassificationprogramseversince,becausethisisourleadingedgetechnology.So,youcanseehowitalltiestogether;Ancienthistory,UFOs,secretsocieties,theworldgovernment.Itsallpartofthesamebig

ballofwax,andunlessyoubackoffandtakethatbroadoverviewandstudyawidevarietyoftopics,yourenevergoingtofigureoutwhatsgoingon.BR:ThisissomethingthatBillCoopersaid,Iremember,inoneofhisveryfamouslecturesthathegavein89or90--youmaywellrememberityourself--hesaid:IfyoudontfactorUFOsintothisjigsawpuzzle,youllneverunderstandwhatmoderngeopoliticaleventsareallabout.KC:Arentwealsotalkingaboutstargatesand,youknow,becausewhenyougetintofreeenergy,yougetinto--fromwhatIunderstand--vortexes,andyougetintothepossibilitythereisastargateinIraqaswellthattheymightbecoveringup.Andthenyougetintothe

Anunnaki,and...soyoureintoaliensorETs,whateveryouwanttocallthem.Haveyougonedownthatroadatall?JM:Well,sure.Whenyoufollowtheevidence,thatswhereittakesyoubackto.AndwementionedthepossibilityofastargateorsomesortofdimensionalportalinIraq,youknow,thattakesmebacktotheBibleandthestoryofKingNebuchadnezzar.Hebuiltthisstructureoutofgold,whichtheytranslateasafieryfurnace,butobviouslyitwassomethingelsebecausepeoplewentinandoutofit.Ofcourse,whenhispeoplewhenin,theytendedtokeeloveranddie,whichtellsmeitwassomesortofanenergyfield.Thenhegotthe


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threeHebrewpriestsandtoldthemtomakeitwork,andputtheminthere.And,loandbehold,eventuallytherewasfourpeopleinthere.Sothreewentinandfour[laughs]cameout,soobviouslytheywereopeningsomesortofaportal,oragateway.KC:Wow.Thatsveryinteresting.So,wheredoyouwanttotakeuswiththis?BecauseIknowthattheresawholemovementinyourspeech,whereyouretalkingaboutmannafromheaven,themonochromaticgold,monotonomic...howdoyousayit?JM:The...[laughs]Itsthesingle-atomgold,monatomic...monatomicgold.KC:Okay.JM:Orbitallyrearrangedmonatomicgold.Single-atomelements.These,bytheway,thisisnothingthatsjustoutrageousandunheard-ofbecausemonatomicgold,silver,heavymetals--theyreineverything.Theyreinwater,theyreinfood,weingestthem.Thisisjustsomethingelse--anotherlayerofour3-Dmaterialexistence--thatwehadnotbeenawareofpriortothe70sand80s.Butthen,thatsnothingnew.Yougobackahundredyears,theywerentawareofatoms.So,youknow,werelearning.Ithinkthethingis,andthereasonweneedtolookintothisexoticstuffandthequestionofETsisbecauseIthinkthatweareinaconditioningprocessrightnow,thatyes,theremaybelifeinouterspace,andthispresentsadanger.BecauseIknowandIhaveseenthe

governmentdocuments.Thereareplans.Contingencyplansandgovernmentfilesthat,atsomepoint,whentheycantmaketheinternationalenemylistwork,isthey...Youknow,atonepointbackintheearlytwentiethcentury,itwastheinternationalJewishconspiracy.Well,thatfellapart.ThentherewastheinternationalCommunistconspiracy,andthenthatfellapart.Nowitstheinternationalterroristconspiracy.Andyet,ifyoustopandthinkaboutit,howrewesupposedtobelievethatsrealwhentheywillnotdoanythingtosecurethebordersoftheUnitedStates?Sothatsashamtoo,andwhenthatbeginstofallapart,then--accordingtoauthoritariansources--thenextthingisgoingtobea

threatfromouterspacejustlikeRonaldReaganwarnedusaboutinhisspeechtotheUnitedNations.So,ifyoudontwanttobepanickedandstampededbythisphonythreatfromspace,thenyoullstudytheUFOissueandyoullfindoutthetruthabouttheissue.Andthenwhentheysay:Oh,no,therereallyarealiensandtheyrecomingtoeatyouandyouhavetogiveupalltherestofyourlibertiessowecanprotectyou,youcansay:Nah,Idontthinkso.KC:Right,absolutely.So,throughremoteviewing...Youbecamearemotevieweryourself,isthatright?JM:Ihave...Inmystudyofremoteviewing,Ididparticipateinsomeremoteviewingstudiesandinsometestingand,interesting

enough,Itestedprettywell[laughs].KC:Imnotsurprised,becauseyouvegotagreatsortofobjectivityaboutthewayyoulookatdifferenttopics,andfromwhatIunderstand--Istudiedremoteviewingalittlemyself--andIunderstandthatitreallytakessortofanimpartiallookatwhatsin,youknow,ontheotherside,sotospeak.JM:IwaskindofsurprisedtofindoutthatItestedsowellinremoteviewing.ButthenasIthoughtaboutit,itreallywasntthatsurprisingbecauseasajournalistandanewspapermanIhadlong-since


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learnedtosomewhattrustmyintuition...KC:Youhaveto.JM:...andmyintuitionrarelyletmedown.Andthats,ofcourse,thatsgettingtothesoftpsychicsignalthatsattheheartoftheremoteviewingexperience.KC:Absolutely.So,whereareyouwiththat?Asfarasusingthatinwhatyourekindof...youregoingdownthisroad,youreinvestigatingtheNaziconnectionbehindourgovernmentandwhatsgoingonnowinAmerica,and...Sohowdoestheremoteviewinghelpyouinthatjourney?JM:Well,its[laughs]actuallynotmuchatall,whichissurprisingandprobablyprettystupid.Butitslike,youknow,IknowIshouldexerciseawholelotmorethanIdobutIjustdontbecauseImtoobusydoingotherthings,anditsthesamethingwithremoteviewing.Ireallyprobablyshouldsitdown,atleastonceaday,andtrytokeepmyremoteviewingskillsuptorazoredgebutIdont,[laughs]because...KC:Butyouareusingyourintuition,right?JM:Right.KC:Inyourinvestigations...JM:Itshelpedmelearntoevengivemoretrusttomyintuition.KC:Right.So,wherearewegoingasacountryrightnow,andwhy?JM:TheUnitedStateshasalwaysbeen--atleastbeenattemptedto

be--dominatedbyawealthyelite,andthatgoesallthewayback.AlexanderHamiltonandhisrichfriends,theywantedtorunthecountry,becausetheyfeltlikethattherichpeopleknewhowtohandlethingsandsomehowhadbettersensethaneverybodyelse.So,thatsnothingnew,andasaresulttheUnitedStateshasalwayshadasomewhatconservativebendtoit.Andthatsoktoo,becausespeciallywhenyouhaveagreatcountrywith...fullofresourcesandeverybodysprosperingand,youknow,youwantto...letsconserveeverythingwehave.Sotheresnothinginherentlywrongwiththat.But,unfortunately,withtheinfluxofNationalSocialists--whichintheGermanlanguagetheacronymofwhichisNAZI--withtheinfluxofNazisafterWorld

WarII,beingaidedandabettedandfundedbyWallStreetfinanciersandpeoplewhoconsiderthemselvesglobalists,theyhavenoparticularinterestintheUnitedStates,perse;theywanttotrytoruntheworld.Firstintothemilitaryindustrialcomplex,andthenintothedefenseindustries,andthenintoacademia,andthenintootherprofessions,thisNationalSocialismhasbeenwormingitswayintotheUnitedStatessinceafterWorldWarII.AnditreallycametoforewhenGeorgeHerbertWalkerBushbecamePresident--whosegrandfatherwasactuallyprosecutedbytheFederalGovernmentoftheUnitedStatesinlate1942forbeingafinancialfrontmanforHitlerandtheNazis--andthenhisson,GeorgeW.

AndduringtheeightyearsoftheGeorgeW.administrationwesawtheriseandthedominanceofNeo-Cons,orNeo-Conservatives,whichisnothinglessthanjustanothernameforNationalSocialism.Sowesawthiswholecountrytendtowardstheright;towardsfascism.Andbecausefascismisdefinedastheblendingofstateandcorporatepower,IdontthinktheresanyonewhocanarguethatthatsnotthecaseintheUnitedStatestoday.Thebigdifferenceis,inNaziGermany,thestategainedcontroloverthecorporations,anditwasthatcombinationthatcreatedthatfasciststate;andinmodernAmericawehavethecorporationsgaining


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controloverthestatethroughlobbyistsandthroughpactsandthroughthegroupsthat...theynowcontrolthegovernment.Buttheendresultsthesame,ablendingofcorporateandstatepower,whichisfascism.Nowaftereightyearsofthisfascism,peoplewerebeginningtochafe.EventhepeoplewhothoughttheyreallywantedtosupportGeorgeW.Bushbecausehesaidalltherightthingsbegantorealizethatallhewasdoingwaspushingsocialistprogramsandwagingunprovokedwarsofaggression.Sotherewasabacklash,andnowwehaveshiftedfromNationalSocialismtoMarxistSocialism,underBarackObama.Butnothingreallyhaschanged,becauseintheBushW.administrationallthetopimportantpeopleweremembersofthesecretiveCouncilonForeignRelations,whichhasdominatedU.S.foreignpolicysincebeforeWorldWarIIandwascreatedfortheexpresspurposeofbringinginaworldgovernment.AndundertheBarackObamaadministrationwefindthatallofhistopcabinetmembers,theyreallmembersoftheCouncilonForeignRelations.Sotheverysamesecretive,wealthyeliteisstillrunningthiscountry,onlynowundertheguiseofMarxistSocialism.

AndafterfouryearsofMarxistSocialismandtheattendantcollapse,probably,oftheU.S.economy,thenweregoingtobeallsetuptoreallygoforanewdictator--anewFhrer--aspeople,intheirpanicovertheeconomyandoverthesocialprograms,theywillswingbackandvoteforsomedictator.Thisisthesamemethodologythatwasusedinpre-warGermany;bythesamepeople.KC:Ok.Well,enterfreeenergyintothatscenarioandwhatdoyouget?BecausewedoseethedestructionoftheAmericaneconomy;weseetheWorldeconomygoingdown,asamatteroffact.Butwheredoesfreeenergykindoffitintothispuzzle,ifyouwill,andcertainlyits

inBlackProjects,asweknowandwevedocumentedinvariousvideoswithvariouspeople.IknowyoureinvolvedinworkingwithGordonNovelandtheRAMProject,onsomelevel,althoughImnotsurehow.Somaybeyoucould..?Sothatputsyouinareallyinterestingpositiontoviewhowfreeenergyiscomingintothispuzzle.JM:Right.Well,thereareseveralquestionmarksinthewholeequation,andfreeenergyisobviouslyoneofthem.Ifwecouldbreakthestrangleholdofthemonopolyofpetrochemicalsandcomeupwithsomesortofafreeenergy,thewholeequationwouldchange.Andthisiswhatsgoingonrightnow.Therearesomevery,veryintense,interdictingandcovertconflictsgoingonoverwhichtechnologythat

wewanttogoto;whosgoingtocontrolit.Forexample,weheartalkoffuelcellsforvehicles.Thereasonwedonthaveityetisbecausetheyhaventfiguredoutyethowtogetamonopolyoverit.Sothis,again,isgoingtodependonhowthefutureparadigmbeginstoshapeup.Iwouldliketoseesomesortofeconomysetupthatsnotmonopolybased;thateveryonehasalittlebitofeverything.Infact,togiveyouanexample:tome,thebiggestexample--andproof--ofconspiracyintheworldtodayisthefactthatevenwhile


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peoplearesittingherewatchingthisinterview,inthebackoftheirmindtheyrealizethatsomewherethereareliterallythousands--ifnotmillions--ofchildrenstarvingtodeath.Now,isitbecausetheEarthcannotproduceenoughfoodtofeedthosechildren?No,ofcoursenot.Wehavethetechnologythatwecouldfeedandclotheandhouseandgivereasonable,minimalhealthcaretoeverysinglepersononthisplanet.KC:Mmhm.JM:So,whydontwe?Well,onceyougetpastthefacileexplanationssuchas:Oh,itspolitics,anditstransportation,andthecostisgreat,andyouknow...getpastthat.Itsthatwaybecausesomewheresomebodywantsitthatway.Ifnobodywanteditthatway,itwouldntbethatway.TheresmoreofusthanthereareoftheseNewWorldOrderpeople.Wesimplyneedtogetallthepeopleofgoodconscienceandgoodhearttogetherandsay:Wedontwantitthatway.KC:Absolutely.Well,okay.Butthereisarulingelite,right?JM:Right.KC:Andyouvedelvedintothat,Imsure,inJM:Right,andIvedetailedthemandtrackedtheirhistory.KC:Okay,soyouretalkingabout--justfortheofthevideo--Bilderbergers,CouncilonForeignRelations,certainlyMajestic12,andIknowyoure...JM:TrilateralCommission...

KC:...youresomethingofanexpertonthem,right?JM:Mmhm.KC:So,alloftheseorganizationsarerollingoutanagendarightnow,andthequestionis:howsooniswhattheyregoingtoaccom...aretheygoingtobedoneaccomplishingthis,youknow,FourthReich,ifyoucallit,inyouropinion?Isthissomething...arewealreadythere?JM:Werevery,veryclosetoaFourthReich,becausereichinGermansimplymeansempire,andtheUnitedStatestoday,ofcourse,isthepreeminentempireontheplanet.Itsgoingtobeuptous,themembersoftheempire--citizensoftheempire--whetherweactasanempireandbecometheimperialempire,inwhichcasewereprobablygoingtotakeafalljustliketheRomanEmpire,justliketheThird

Reichandeverybodyelse.Or,dowetrytobringpeace,prosperitytoeverybodyinsteadoftryingtolorditoverandhogtheresourcesoftheplanet.Anditsbasicallyjustkindofaconsciousnessshift,iswhatitis.AgoodillustrationisinmyhomestateofTexas.WhenIwasakidthehighwayswerejustterrible.Theywerelitteredbecausepeoplejust,youknow,yougotthroughwithyourdrink,youjustthrewitoutthewindow.Anditwasntthatwethoughtwewerelitteringandweretryingtodobad,wejustdidntknowanybetter.Wejustsaid:Ahwell,Imthroughwiththatanditsoutthewindow.ButtheyinstitutedaDontMesswithTexasprogram;signseverywhere,andtheyraisedtheconsciousness.Andpeoplebegantorealize:Wait,

itsnotreallyrighttothrowallyourtrashoutonthehighway.AndImnotgoingtotryandsaythathighwaysinTexastodayarespotless,buttheyare150percentbetterthanwhattheyusedtobe,andnotbecauseofanyofthelitteringlaws--althoughtheyreonthebooks,butIdontknowofanybodythatsevergottenaticketforlittering--buttheconsciousnessraising;andwecoulddothesamethingwiththepeopleoftheUnitedStates.ThepeopleoftheUnitedStatesaregoodpeople.Wegivemoretocharitythanalltheothernationsoftheworldcombined.Andifwesimplyunderstoodthetruthofthesituationandwerenotbeing


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pushedfrompillartopostbythecorporate-controlledmassmedia,thenIthinkwecouldprobablyfigureoutwaystohandlethesituation,andtospreadthewealth,towhereeveryonecouldhavealittlepieceoftheAmericanDream.KC:Well,wouldntyousay,though,thattheressomekindofplanafoottotakedowntheAmericangovernmentaltogether?Imean,thatsactuallywhatsbeingfoughtbehindthescenes?JM:Thatsabsolutelytrueandthatswhatsgoingon.BecausetheUnitedStateshasbeenthebiggeststumblingblocktotheseglobalistswhowanttoseeaoneworldgovernment,oneworldsocialistsystem.ThereasonforthatisbecauseintheUnitedStateswehaveatraditionandhistoryofindividualfreedom.AndwehavetheConstitutionandtheBillofRights,whichgivesusalegalbasisforourindividualfreedomandliberty.Andthree,wehavegunsandwecanseetoourselvesthatwehaveindividualfreedomandliberty.Butrightnowthereare...theresamovementafootunderthenewObamaadministrationtoregisterfirearms,toregisterammunition,andtobasicallytrytodisarmthepopulation.Andifthatevercomestofruition,thenwerejustgoingtobecomeserfsinanewMiddleAgeoffeudalism.KC:Well,whataboutChina,youknow,becausetherestalkthatChina

maybesettoinvadeatsomepointinthefuture;thatwemaybehavingwarwithChina.Haveyouheardanythingtothateffect?JM:Well,youknow,someChinesegeneralsareevenonthepublicrecordsayingwarwiththeUnitedStatesisinevitable.Idontknowwhy.Rightnowweretotallydependentoneachother.WeredependentonChinatoproducejustabouteverythingthatweuse.Youknow,gointoanystoreandpickupaproductandlookonthebottomanditllsayMadeinChina.KC:Right.JM:Okay,butthen,likewise,theyredependentuponusbecauseifwerenottheretobuyallthisjunkfromthem[laughs]theydonthaveamarket.So,Ithinkthatsomeofthisbelligerenceisconcocted.Becauseactually...

KC:Absolutely.JM:Ifyouwanttoknowwhatthe...Herestherealgameplan,okay?KC:Okay.JM:Thiswasarticulatedbackin1948byamannamedEricArthurBlair,whowasaBritishFabianSocialistandverywellconnectedtotheroyalsandtothearistocracythereinEngland.AndIthinkheactuallyhadaprettygoodviewonwhattheoverallgameplanwas,sohewroteitalldowninabookunderthepennameGeorgeOrwell.KC:[laughs]Okay.JM:And,ofcourse,thatwas1984.KC:Right.JM:Andinthere,ifyoullgobackandre-read1984,youllfindthattheyhaddividedtheworldintothreeeconomicblocks.In1984

theycalleditOceania,AsianaandEastAsiana.IntodaysrealworlditstheEuropeanUnion,thesoontobeNorthAmericanUnionandthefutureAsianUnion.Andthenwhattheydidistheyplaytwoofthoseblocksoffagainsteachotherperpetuallytocreatethetensionnecessaryforarmsraces,andfordefensespending,andlotsofloansgoingthrough;thatgeneratesprofitandcontroloverthepopulation.KC:Right.JM:Thatsthegameplan.KC:Okay,wellthatsagreatoverviewofwhatsinoperationrightnow.Doyoubelievethattheresalso...ah,youknow,theGeorgia


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Guidestones;basicallywhattheysay,whichiseliminationofthepopulationisoneoftheirobjectives?JM:Right.WhoeverbuildtheGeorgiaGuidestones,againIthink,wasprivytothisNewWorldOrderagenda.AndthisiswhereIdodepartfromtheirthinking.IhaveaninterviewwithGeneralMaxwellTaylorthatwasdoneintheearly70sandhe--beingnotonlyourlastambassadortoVietnambutalsoarankingmemberoftheCouncilonForeignRelations--Ithinkhewasfullyarticulatingtheirthinking.

Hesaid,basically,thatbythebeginningofthenextcentury--wellthatsnow--hesaidwehavetoeliminateaboutathirdoftheworldspopulationbecause,hesaid,thebasicoverallproblemisoverpopulation.Andthatlaysattheheartofalltheotherproblems;pollutionandeconomyandeverything.AndhesaidthiswillbedonebylimitedregionalconflictslikeIraq,[laughs]Afghanistan...KC:Uh-huh.JM:...disease--AIDSinAfrica--andstarvation,whichisprevalentinmanyoftheThirdWorldnations.Andhesaid:Imnotsurewecansavethesepeople,andImnotevensureweshouldtry.Andso,thatistheirthinkingtodecreasetheworldspopulation.Now,heresthefallacyintheirthinking:therereallyisnooverpopulationproblem.Iheardthisstatedsomeyearsago--Ididnt

quitebelieveit,soIchecked--butitsabsolutelytrue.Theentire6.5billionhumanpopulationcouldactuallylivecomfortablyenoughinthestateofTexas.KC:[laughs]Really?JM:Really.So,itsnotaoverpopulationproblem,itsapopulationconcentrationproblem.Youhavemostoftheworldisjammedintothesehugemetropolitanareas,bigmega-cities,okay?KC:Right.JM:Thereareotherwaysofdoingthings,okay?IcouldpictureaworldwhereyouandBillcouldliveoutinabeautifulcountryside,aruralsetting,okay?Gotyourlittlelakethere,andyouvegotan

orchard,andyouvegotagarden,andyourejustdoinggreat.Andwhenitstimetogoshopping,thenyougetonyourbicycleoryourlittleelectriccartandyougodowntothelittlestationandyouhopahigh-speedelectricline--zoom!--thatwouldtakeyoutoashoppingcentrearea,likeahugemall.Andyougothroughthereandyoudoyourshopping,okay,andthenyouzoombackhomeandgetonyourbicycle,pedalbacktoyourlittleplace.Andyouhaveyourownlittleenergycollectorgenerator,alright?Youreself-sufficientenergy-wise.Andyousay:Yeah,butwhatdoIdoforwork?Wellitwouldbewhateveryouwantedtodo.WereinanawkwardsituationnowbecauseweveallbeenbroughtuponthisChristianworkethicthatsayseverybodysgottowork.Okay?

Wellthatsaproductofoldertimeswhentrulyeverybodyhadtoworkjusttosurvive.Infact,thatswhyyouhadtohavelotsofkids,becauseyouhadtohavesomebodyworkthefields,soyoucouldproduceproduce,soyoudhavefoodtoeat.Buttodaywithtechnology,youknow,justafewmega-farmscanraiseenoughfoodforeverybody.Thetechnologysthere.Wecouldallbelivinglikekingsifwedemandedit,andifwewantedit,andifwecouldconvincethesewould-berulersoftheworldthatwealldeservetohaveafairshakeatlife.KC:Absolutely.


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BR:Ihaveanicelittleanecdotethatyoumightbeabletouseinsomeofyourlectures.IntheMarquesasIslandsintheSouthPacific--itsaFrenchcolonywhichnooneseverheardof.Intheirlanguage,theyhavenowordforwork.Anditsareallywonderfulconcept...JM:Right.BR:...because,ofcourse,wethinkthewaywetalk,itsnottheotherwayround.Andso,theydontwork.Theycatchafish,theybuildahouseandtheylightafire,thentheycookamealandtheydanceandtheydothis,andtheyjustlive.Andthiswholework/playdialectichasactuallybeensodeeplyingrainedintousinthisWesternsociety...JM:Right...BR:...thatwerevictimsofthisidea;thatwereprisoners...JM:Right.BR:...becausewevegottoworkallthetime,andthenwevegottoplay,andthentheyvegotusbythethroat...JM:Thatsright.BR...becausewealltrytogetoutofthisloop.JM:Andifyouhaveasonordaughterandalltheywanttodoisplaytheguitarandwritemusic,thentheymustbesomekindofbum--[Kerrylaughs]--becausetheyrenotworking!KC:Right.

JM:Now,therewasagreatstory,therewasagreatstoryabouttheretiredAmericanbusinessmanwhogoesdowntoMexico,andherentsalittlefishingboatandhegoesoutfishing.AndhegetstotalkingwithManuel,theguythatownstheboat,andhesays:Manuel,youknow,hesays:whatsyourlifelike?Whatdoyoudo?Hesays:Oh,Igetupinthemorning,andhesays:andIcomeoutanddosomefishing,thenIgohomeandtakeasiestaintheafternoonwithmywife,andatnightIgointotownandsitwithmyfriendsandeatanddrinkandplaytheguitarandwesing.Hesays:Well,Manuel,hesaid:Dontyouunderstand,ifyoudonttakeasiesta,ifyoudfishmoreduringthedayyoudmakemoremoneyandwiththatmoremoneyyoucouldbuyanotherboat.Andwithtwoboatsthen,youknow,youdgetmorefishandprettysoonyoucould

buymoreboats.Andthenextthingyouknowyoullhaveafleetofboats.Andthenwhatyoudo,isyoucometotheUnitedStatesandthenyoucanincorporate,andthenyoucansellstock,andthenyoucanhaveawholefleetofboatsandyoucanmake,youknow...andprettysoonyoucouldbecomeamillionaire.Andhesays:howlongwouldthattake?Hesays:Ah,twenty,thirtyyears.Hesaid:AndthenwhatdIdo?Hesays:Well,thenyoucouldretireandcometoMexico,andfishinthemorningandtakeasiestaintheafternoon,andvisityourfriendsatnight...Anditslike:Oh,waitaminute![laughs]KC:[laughs]

JM:Hesalreadydoingthat...KC:Yeah...Isee.JM:So,itsallinthemind.Itsallintheconsciousnessandhowweperceivethingsandwhetherornotyouthinkyouhavetobeintheratrace,andwhetherornotyouthinkyouhavetohavemoretoysthaneverybodyelsesoyoucanprovethatyoureasuccess.ThemostsuccessfulpeopleIknowarenotnecessarilytherichestpeopleIknow.KC:Oh,yeah,definitely!Well,Imean,thatsaverygoodpoint.


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Also,theideais,behindfreeenergy,ifyouwanttocallitthat,thattheenergysourcescouldmakethatpossibleforeveryone.JM:Well,wevehadthisforalong,long,longtime.NikolaTeslawastryingtotellushowwecouldtapthebasicenergyoftheearthandeveryonecouldjusthavetheirownenergy.Ofcourse,hegotshutdownbyEdisonandbythepeoplewhowantedtoputintheelectricalsystemsandmakesurethatyoubuyenergy.Andtoday,see,theyvegotalockonitbecause,youknow,youcouldbeBillGates,youcouldbetherichestguyinthewholeworld,buthestillpaysanelectricbilleachmonth.KC:Mmhm.JM:Itallcomesbacktoperceptionandconsciousness.Yearsago,Igotreallybigonsolarenergy,youknow,andIsaid:Well,youknow,gee,eitherthesunshinesoritdoesnt.Ifitdoesnt,werealloutofluck,andifitsshining,thenwhydontwecapturethesunsradiantenergyandusethatforenergy.SoIwastalkingwithanenergyexpertandheverypatientlyandcondescendinglyexplainedtomethat:Well,youdontunderstand.Hesaid:ItwouldtakesolarpanelscoveringanareathesizeofthestateofArizonatoprovideenoughpowertopowerthecityofLosAngeles.AndIthought:Oh,okay.AndIcheckedhimout,andthatsprobablytrue.Wherestheflawinhisthinking?Centralgeneration.Hecan

onlythinkintermsofcentralgeneration...KC:Sure...JM:...generatingthatjuiceandpipingittoL.A.WhatifeverybodyinL.A.putasolarpanelontheirroof?KC:Andsunissoplentifultherethat,youknow...JM:Thereyougo!KC:...theycouldgatherenoughenergy...JM:Thatsright.KC:...inamatterofdays,really.JM:Exactly.Andwhydonttheydothat?Because,theelectriccompany...KC:Noonewouldmakemoney.JM:Theelectriccompanyhasntfiguredouthowtomakeacloudcome

hangoveryourhouseifyoudontpayyourelectricbill[Kerrylaughs]Okay?So,itsallaboutpowerandcontrol,itsnotabouttechnology.KC:So,yeah,absolutely,andthisistheparadigmthathumansareoperatingunderatthemoment.JM:Right.KC:So,whereistheUnitedStatesheadedinyourestimation?BecauseinsomeplacesrightnowwehaveNativeAmericantribesthataretryingtosecedefromtheUnion,inessence,createtheirowncurrency...JM:Wegot21statesnowthathavesovereigntybillspending;theyretryingtocutloose.Itsgoingtogetrealinteresting.Basically,

theyhavetodestroytheUnitedStates,okay?Andwhattheyretryingtodoiswrecktheeconomy,panicthepeople,andgeteverybodytoaccepttheNorthAmericanUnion.Andtodothis...ThewaytheylldothisisbysayingtheonlywayoutofthiseconomicmessistocombinetheeconomiesofMexico,Canada,andtheUnitedStates.And,ofcourse,weveallheardtalkoftheAmero,whichIhaveconflictinginformation,andofcourseyouseepicturesontheinternet,andtheysay:Oh,hereitis,anditsherenow,andyet,thatsapparentlynotthecase.Thatsjustsomecoinspeoplehavestruckaskindofagimmickoratrinket.ButIalsohaveheardfrom


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peoplethatIfeellikeknowwhattheyretalkingabout,thattheAmeromoneyisalreadyprintedandwaiting;awaitingdistribution.Thisisveryreminiscentofsomeyearsago.Iheard...therewasinternetrumorsrunningaroundaboutthisRedMoney.Moneythatwasgoingtobepinkishincolorandhaveredinkanddyesinit,youknow,likethat.Andthegovernmentdeniedthat,andtheysaid:No,thatsnotright,thatsnottrue.Andyet,nowitis,youknow,wedohavethis,thenewmoneyanditisreddishandpinkishandalllikethat.So,youknow...KC:Butstatesarenotgoingtofallforthis,itdoesntsoundlike.Andeven...JM:Theyarebalking.They'rebalkingandtheyrebuckinginthetraces,andthatsgood.Thethingis,thisisthesalvation,okay?WearenotgoingtochangethefederalstructureoftheUnitedStates;itstooentrenched,itstoobureaucratic,toomanypeoplearefeedingatthetrough,andtheyrenotjustgoingtovoluntarilygetupandgoaway.KC:Right.JM:Andobviously,evenbyvotingyourenotgoingtogetanythingchangedmuch.In2004,theyvotedinademocraticCongresstryingtocurbtheexcessesoftheBushadministration,andwhatchanged?Nothing!WerestillinIraqfighting,werestillinAfghanistanfighting...KC:Right,andwerebailingpeopleout--orcompaniesout,not

people...JM:Exactly.KC:...tomuchgreatersumsthaneverthoughtof.JM:And,theBushadministration,whichwashailedastheepitomeofgoodconservatism,istheonethatnationalizedthebankingbusiness,youknow.[laughs]Socialism,rightdowntheline.KC:Well,isntthebottomlinethatthetwopartysystemwasjustafallacyanyway,because...JM:Itsprettymuchalwaysbeenajoke...KC:...itsalways...JM:...butitsdefinitelyajokenow.Particularly,Iguessitssummedupintheelectionof2006.YoucouldvoteforDemocratJohnKerry,whowasfromanoilfamilyandamemberofthesecretiveSkull

andBonesSociety;oryoucouldvoteforhiscousinGeorgeW.Bush,fromanoilfamilyandamemberoftheSkullandBonesSociety.Theresnochoice.KC:Yeah.JM:Theresnodifference,andanybodywhostillpaysattentiontoDemocratandRepublican,theyrejustgettingsnookered.KC:Okay,sotogetbacktothissituation.Soyouhave...youvegotthesefamiliesthatarerunningeverything.YouvegotanagendatotakedowntheUnitedStates,buttheUnitedStatesisnotgoingtogo.Imean,youknow,peopleare...theyreactuallyincrediblecitizens;theyactuallywanttosavethecountry...JM:Right.

KC:Theyrepatriots,ifyouwill...JM:Right.KC:So...JM:Theproblemistheyrealldivided,okay?KC:Okay.JM:Andlike,Ivetraveledaroundthecountry,andIvefoundpocketsofpeopleeverywherewhounderstandwhatsgoingon,whocareaboutwhatsgoingon,whowanttodosomethingaboutit.Buttheyallfeellike,thattheyreintheminorityandthattheyreallalonebecausethesepeoplecontrolthemassmedia.


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KC:Mmhm.JM:Andthisiswhy,bytheway,thatyouve...WhenisthelasttimeyouheardanationalpoliticianrefertotheRepublic?TheydonteventalkabouttheRepublicanymore...KC:No.JM:...becausewerenotarepublicanymore;werejusttheEmpire.Andalltheytalkaboutisdemocracy,democracy.Wehavetoprotectdemocracy;wegottospreaddemocracy.Wellwhatsdemocracy?Itsruledbythemajority;so,inotherwords,theepitomeofdemocracyinactionisalynchmob.KC:Mmhm.JM:Well,thatsnotwhatweweregiven.Wewerenotgivenademocracy;wedontwantapuredemocracy.Wewantademocraticrepublic;andwhatsthedifference?Becauseinthedemocraticrepublic,ifyourechargedwithacapitalcrimethenyouhaveto...yougettofaceyouraccusers,yougettohavelegalrepresentation,yougettogointoacourt/legalsystem,andyougettocross-examinetheevidenceagainstyou;yougettohaveafairtrial.Andthenifyourefoundguiltyandyouhaveachanceforanappeal,anditsturneddown,thentheycanlynchyou.KC:[laughs]JM:Okay?KC:Right...

JM:Thatsthewayitssupposedtowork.Butwearenolongeraruleof...anationruledbylaw.KC:Right.Thecorporationsbasicallyrule...JM:Corporationstelluswhattodo.Andagain,itsthattakeover-of-the-statemechanismbycorporations;itstheverydictionarydefinitionoffascism.KC:SoletsgetbackintowhathappenedduringthetimeofPaperclip,andduringthetimeoftheAtomicBomb,andmaybeyoucouldtalkalittlebitaboutwhatreallywentonbackthenbecauseIthinkalotofpeopleneedtogettheirhistory,youknow,straightenedoutintheirheads.JM:Theyreallydo,becauseinourconventionalhistory,itslike:

Well,therewastheRussianRevolution,andthenoutofthatgrewCommunism,andthenthey...wehadaColdWarwiththemversusCapitalismandyadda-yadda-yadda...Thetruthofthematteris,isthattheverysamepeopleinWallStreetandthecityofLondon--theseInternationalists,theseglobalfinanciers--theycreatedCommunisminRussia.WhentheRussianRevolutionbrokeoutLeninwasinSwitzerland.TrotskywasinNewYorklivingonRockefellerproperty,okay?TheysentthemintoRussiatocapturetheRevolutionfortheBolsheviksandturnRussiaintoacommuniststate,whichtheydid.Andtheideawas,Ithink,tobuildupacommunistEastversusacapitalistWest,andtheyweregoingto

perpetuatetheColdWarmanyyearsbeforeweactuallysawitactuallycomeintobeing.Buttheproblemwas,itthreatenedtogetoutofhand.TherewerestrongCommunistpartiesinFrance,England,Italy,Germany--eventheUnitedStates.Andsothey...wetalkaboutthisOneWorldGovernment,buttheyreallydontwantatrueOneWorldGovernment,becausethentheycantplayonenationoffagainstanother,oroneeconomicblockoffagainstanother.Sothismadethemfearful,andtheydecidedtheyhadtostopthespreadofCommunism.Theonecountrythatwasinapositiongeographicallyandeconomically


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toactasablockagainstthespreadofCommunismwasGermany.SotheywentinandfoundaGermanarmyintelligenceagent,andtheyputhiminchargeofalittlepoliticalpartycalledtheGermanWorkersPartywhichhequicklychangedthenametotheNationalSocialistGermanWorkersParty(NSDAP)--theacronymofwhichisNAZI--and,ofcourse,thatwasAdolfHitler.AndHitlerprovidedthisblockagainstthespreadofCommunism.ThentheyperpetratedthiswholeideaoftheNaziswerebitterenemiesoftheCommunists,okay?KC:Andmeanwhile,theyrebeingfinancedbyBush...JM:Andrunbythesamepeople...KC:...PrescottBush,behindthescenes...JM:Exactly,yeah,andtheRockefellers...KC:...andI--whatisit--Farben?JM:IGFarben.KC:IGFarben.JM:AndtheheadofIGFarbenwasHermannSchmitz,andHermannSchmitzownedasmuchStandardOilstockasJohnD.Rockefellerdid.ItwasallthesameInternationalglobalists,ifyouwill.Nowtheproblemwas,isthatHitlergottoostrongandtheGermanswerealittletooefficient,andtheyover-ranEurope.TheyweremovingintoNorthAfrica,theywerepushingintoRussia,takingoverNorway,andwerethreateningBritain.

NowallofasuddenitlookedliketheyweregoingtohaveaOneWorldNationalSocialistsystem.Andoh,theydidntwantthateither!ButmostlytheydidntwantGermanyinchargeoftheworldeconomicorderbecausethishadbeenthepurviewofthecityofLondon--thosebankerswiththeBankofEngland--andtheirWallStreetcompadres,okay?So,atsomepoint,eventhoughtheyhadcreatedHitler,puthimintopower,financedhisrise;theyturnedagainsthim,andthatswhenwehadWorldWarII.TheymanagedtostopGermany,pushitback.Andyes,wedefeatedGermanyinWorldWarII,butwedidntdefeattheNazis.TheNaziswerestillmuchinpower,andtheycutdeals.Theyswapped

theirexotictechnology,theirrockettechnology,theirenergymanipulationtechnology,theirmindcontroltechnology,chemicaltechnologyandpharmaceuticaltechnologytotheUnitedStatesinexchangeforimmunity.Webroughttheminoverthewarandinthelate40sandearly50s,JohnJ.McCloy--whohadbeenheadofNationalCityBankwhichwasoneofthelargestlendersofmoneytopre-WorldWarIINaziGermany--wasmadeHighCommissionerofGermany.HepardonedthousandsofunreconstructedNazis;broughtthemovertotheUnitedStates.HisprotgwasAllenDulles,whothenwasheadoftheCIAformanyyears.AndunderDulles,hewhitewashedtheirbackgrounds,andputthemall--theseNazis--intoourmilitaryindustrialcomplex.AndthatbegantheNationalSocialistinfiltrationoftheUnitedStates

system.KC:Wow,thatsanexcellentsummationofreallywhathappenedbehindthescenes.Andthisiswhatmostpeopledontknow...JM:No,yourenevertaughtthisinschool.KC:...aboutAmericanhistory...JM:Right...KC:...andeventhehistoryoftheworld.SoyoualsocouldtalkaboutwhattheNazishadbyvirtueoftheiroccultinvestigations,andpossiblyevenchanneling,andhowtheygotwhatis,inessence,free


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energy--maybeevenstargatetechnology,certainlyUFOs.JM:Exotictechnology.KC:Yeah.JM:Yeah,andthequestionsalwaysbeen:HowdidtheNazisgetsofaraheadofusinscience?KC:Exactly.JM:Theywerebroadcastingthe1936BerlinOlympicsovertelevision.Infact,bytheendofthewar,theyhadtelevision-guidedmissiles.Holycow!Wedidntknowthat...andtheresgoodreasontobelievetheyactuallypossessedandhadtestedanuclearweapon.Butbythetime...theydidnothaveareliabledeliverysystem,andbythetimetheywerereadytomaybeunleashanuclearweapon,itwasspringof1945andtheRussianswereclosinginfromtheeastandAlliesfromthewest,anditwasalmostallover.Andiftheyhadsetoffanatomicbombsomewhereitwouldnothaveendedthewar,itwouldvesimplymeantthetotaldevastationanddestructionofGermany.Now,wheredidtheygetallthis?ForyearsIdheardstoriesthat:Well,theycapturedaflyingsaucersomewhereandtheyback-engineeredit.Butyet,everytimeyoutrytotrackthosestories,itneverwentanywhere.AndIamnowoftheopinion,basedoninformationthatIhavenow,andbasedondocumentationthathascomeoutoftheoldSovietUnionnowwiththecollapseofCommunism,thattheGermanshadtheirownremoteviewers.

BR:Mmhm.JM:Ofcourse,theydidntcallitremoteviewing,becausethatwasatermthatwascoinedbackwhentheCIAandtheNationalSecurityAgencyinthiscountrywasstudyingandworkingwithpsychicwarfare.Buttheyhadthesametypething.BackthentheGermanshadbeenverymuchinvolvedintheoccult,ifyouwanttocallitthat,allthewaybackin...priortothe1920s.Andtheywouldhavesances,andtheywouldhaveallofthesechannelings,orwhateveryouwanttocallit,butatthebottomlineofitiswhatwecallremoteviewing.Itwastheuseofthesepsychicabilities.BR:ThiswastheVrilSociety,wasntit?JM:TheVrilSociety.AndthiswaslargelybasedonthephilosophiesofMadameBlatavskyandherTheosophicalSociety.Theywereheavyinto

that.And,ofcourse,HitlerwasputintopowerwiththehelpoftheThule-Gesellschaft,ortheThuleSociety,whichwasanoccultsocietymadeupofsomeofthewealthiestaristocratsthereinGermany,andindustrialists.Theywerebigintothisstuff,intospiritualism,Ithink,iswhattheycalleditbackthen.Andsothey...accordingtotheinformationIhavetherewasevenaunitwithintheGermanmilitarycalledDoctorGreenbaum,andthiswasbasicallytheirremoteviewers.And,interestinglyenough,thiswasunderabroaderumbrellaprogramcalledMajik[hespells]M-A-J-I-K.Andthatsreallyinterestingbecause,asyouwellknow,theMajestic12--orMajik12--thatsalwaystalkedaboutintheUFOliteraturebeingthepeopleatthetopwhoareinchargeofthesecrecyoverUFO

technologywasM-A-J-I-C12tobeginwith;whichistheanglicizedversionofM-A-J-I-K--theGermanversion.AndImwonderingifperhaps,whenwebroughttheirmindcontrolexpertsandtheirpharmaceuticalexpertsandtheirrocketscientistsalloverhereafterthewar,ifwedidntbringsomeoftheirpsychicscientists,too.KC:Okay,thatmakessense.Well,whataboutVannoverBush?HewasheadofMajestic12thatwassetupbytheTruman...supposedlysetupbytheTrumanadministration,right?


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JM:Mmhm.Itwas.KC:TohandletheproblemofUFOsandwhatitmeanttoAmerica,but...JM:Right.KC:...thatsaveryinterestingtrailtofollowiftheyalreadywereinoperationinGermany.JM:Right,exactly.AndyouhavetounderstandthatthatreallywasthegenesisofthemodernNationalSecuritystate--theNationalSecurityActof1947,whichbegantobeputtogetherjustafewdaysaftersomethingfellfromtheskiesatRoswell,NewMexicoinJulyof1947.And,byAugust,they'recobblingtogetherquicklythisNationalSecurityAct,andinSeptembertheyactuallyheldPresidentTruman--delayedhimonthetarmacthereatNationalAirportwhenhewastryingtogethometovisithisdyingmother--sotheycouldrushonboardandgethimtosignthisNationalSecurityActof1947.Whytherush?Well,becausetheyhadtogetcontroloverallofthisinformation.WhattheNationalSecurityActof1947didwascreatetheCIAandalsochangethenameoftheDefenseDepart...WarDepartmenttotheDefenseDepartment;alittlepublicrelationsmove.Butalsointhere--andwhathasbeenlittlenoticed--wasthecreationoftheNationalSecurityCouncil.Well,byverydefinition,thatsinchargeofanythingthathastodowithnationalsecurity.

UFOs?Nationalsecurity.Naziinfiltration?Nationalsecurity.Hightechnology?Nationalsecurity.And,sincetheNationalSecurityCouncil--andwehearthisallthetime,almostanytimethatwevegonetofightsomebrushfirewarandtheIran-Contrascandal,onandon--itsalwaystheNationalSecurityCouncilisinvolved.Andyet,IllbetyouvirtuallynoonelisteningknowswhoistheNationalSecurityCouncil.WellIlltellyou.Itsfourpeople:itsthePresident,theVicePresident,theSecretariesofStateandDefense.ThreeofthoseareappointedbythePresident.KC:Mmhm.JM:SobysigningtheNationalSecurityActof1947intolaw,webasicallysetupadictatorship,becausethePresidentisnowin

chargeofeverythingthathastodowithnationalsecurity,andthisbypassesCongressandthenewsmediaandthepublic.ThisiswhenwebegantomoveintoaNationalSecuritystatewhich,attheheartofwhich,laytheseNazis--unreconstructedNazis.KC:So,togetbacktoGermany,youhavethemdiscoveringfreeenergysomehow.Imeancertainlytheyhadreallyamazingscientists...JM:Right.KC:Okay.Andtheywerelookingintootherdimensionsusingpsychics,usingremoteviewing,usingpossiblechanneling.Andwhatyouresayingistheymayhavebeenalsogettingtechnologyoutofthosedimensions;informationthattheyneededtobuildthings.

JM:Right.KC:Right?JM:Mmhm.KC:AndthereisaconnectiontoEgypt,right?AndtotheSumerians...toSumerianscylinderseals...JM:Alotofthisis--allofthis--ispartof...KC:Alotofthetechnology'sbackthere.JM:...theEarthshistory.KC:Right.JM:Anditallfitstogether.Forexample:forthelongesttime


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everybodythoughtthatEgyptwastheworldsfirst,greatestcivilization.Well,youknow,thatsbecauseitwasntuntilthemid-1800sthattheybegantodiscoverthesestrangemoundsoverinMesopotamia--whichisnowmodern-dayIraq--andtheybegantoexcavateandfindthatthere'shugecitiesunderthere.AndtheybegantodiscovertheSumeriancivilizationwhichpredatestheEgyptiansbyatleastfivethousandyears.Sowhatwereactuallyfindingouttodayis,isthatapparentlytherewas,inantediluviantimes,aworldwide,highlytechnologicalcivilizationthatprobablycoveredtheentireworld.ThisiswhytheyfoundpyramidsinCentralAmerica,SouthAmerica,China,EasternEurope,theGizaPlateau...Andyet,somethinghappened.TherewaseitherEarthchanges,ortherewasawarorsomething,andthiswholecivilizationcrumbled.Andwhatweknowisourwrittenhistory:theSumerians,andthentheBabylonians,andthentheAssyrians,andthenthePhoenicians,andthentheEgyptiansand...Thesewerealldegradationsofthesamecivilization.Andtheproofofthat,forexample,isinthehistoryofEgypt.Theearliestdynastieswerethemostadvanceddynasties,andthenitdevolved,[laughs]itdegraded.AndwentallthewaydownuntilweendedupintheMiddle--intheDarkAges,andthenwevebeenslowlypullingourselvesout

eversince.Andthisiswhythatthepeopleintheknow--andknowledgeispower,andtheywanttokeeptheknowledge,andtheydontwantustoknowwhatsgoingon--butthisiswhytheyarerushingaroundthewholeworldjustlikeIndianaJoneschasingtheNazis,whowerechasingthehistoricandreligious...KC:Theiconsand...JM:...icons,yeah,andartifacts...KC:...yeah,absolutely.JM:...youknow,becausetheyretryingtogettothisancienttechnology.KC:Okay,so,youjustspentsometimeinEgypt,didntyou?JM:Yes.KC:Anddidyoufindanythingwhenyouwerethere--[Jimlaughs]--

thatblewyourmind,or...JM:Yes.UndertheTempleofSeti--whichisanimmensetempleandjustfilledwithhieroglyphics--underneaththat,isahugetemplecalledtheOsireion.Anditishugemegalithicblocksthatprobablyweightenandtwelvetonseach.Nohieroglyphicsonthese,buttheyrestackedupverysimilartoStonehenge.ButtheyarenotroughrocklikeStonehenge,theseareperfectly,finelycutpiecesthatbuttupagainsteachothersoperfectlyyoucantevenputapieceofpaperinthere.AndthisisundertheTempleofSeti,whichmeanstherewassomethinggoingonovertherelongbeforetheEgyptianscamealong.KC:Aretheyreleasingthisintothepublicdomain?JM:No.Infact,wewerentevensupposedtobeabletogodownthere

[laughs],butwemanagedtokindofslipdownthereandseewhatwasgoingon.Thisisthestufftheykeephidden.Thesamethingisthat--ontheSphinx--itisjustobviousthatthereisdeepwatererosiongroovesonthesidesoftheSphinxandonthesidesofthegroundsurroundingit,whichmeansthatthisisverticalwatererosion.theSphinxandtheareaaroundithadsatoutunderheavyrains.KC:Youactuallygotintothisplace,whichisundertheTempleofSeti,youresaying,whichisbuiltlikeStonehenge,haspolishedstones...


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JM:Right.Nohieroglyphics,itobviouslypredatestheSetiTemple,andsothis,again,moreproofthattherewassomethinggoingonofahighlytechnologicalnaturelongbeforetheEgyptianscamealong.KC:So,dotheyknow,aretheydatingitatall?Hasanybody...didanybodygiveyouanindicationwhen,whatitwasdated?JM:No.Thereisahugeresistancetoallofthis,andIcouldntquiteunderstandtheresistanceuntilIvisitedinEgyptandrealizedthattheyretotallydependentuponthetouristdollaranduponthewholeideaofthePharaohsandCleopatraandNefertitiandda-da-da-da-da-da-da...andtheyjustreallycantaffordtobackoffofthat.Theydontwanttoadmitthattherewasanythinggoingonotherthantheconventionalhistory.And,ofcourse,everyoneelsewhosanEgyptologistorwhatever--theyvegotanentirelifetime,theyvegotbookswritten,theyvegotawholecareerbasedontheirtheoriesandtheirinterpretationofwhattheEgyptiansweredoing.Andtosaythatthatreallywasntquitethetruthofit,thenthatjustthrowsitallintoacockedhat,andtheyretotallyopposedtothat.However,thegeologistswhogoandlookatthisveryobviouswatererosionontheSphinxwilltellyouthatthatsobviouslywatererosion,andhistorically,theresnotbeenanyheavyrainsontheGizaPlateaufor10,500years.WhichmeanstheSphinx,andprobablytheGreatPyramid,predatetheEgyptiansbyatleast5,000years.Andfivethousandyears,youknow,itshardforustothinkoffive

thousandyears.KC:[laughs]JM:Mostpeopletodaythinkaboutthewarbetweenthestates,youknow,thatjustsoundslikeancienthistory.Andyet,mygrandmothertoldmeaboutwhenherfathercamebackfromthewar.Soitreallyhasntbeenthatfarback.Andyettousitsancienthistory,andthatwas,what,onlyaboutahundredandfiftyyearsago.Sototalkaboutfivethousandyears;myGod,wejust...wehaveahardtimeevencontemplatingthat.Buttheresnoquestionthatitpointsouttoalternativeoriginsforthehumanraceandthehumanspecies.Andagain,howcanwefigureout

whatsgoingontodayifwedontknowwherewecamefrom,orthetruthofourbeginnings?And,whatIwasgoingtotellyouis--thisisreallyfascinating--isthattheyarebrickingupthesidesoftheSphinx.Ostensiblybecausetheysaid:Well,itsdeterioratingandwedontwantittobedestroyed,soweregoingtobraceitup,andweregoingtofixitup...KC:Oh,wow!JM:...andpreserveit,youknow.Butwhattheyredoingistheyrecoveringupthesevery...KC:Thesignsoferosion...JM:...theveryobvioussignsofverticalwatererosionwhichmeansitpredatestheEgyptians.

KC:Well,whataboutthefactthattheresalsosupposedtobealibraryinsidetheSphinx?JM:Theresanotherthing.Youknow,EdgarCayce--backinthe30s,thegreatSeer--hesays:Well,theresaroomundertheleftpawoftheSphinx.TheArmyremoteviewers,bytheway,tookalookatthatandtheysaid:Yeah,theresaroominthere;andIsaid:Whatsinit?Andtheysaid:Jars,andvases,withscrolls,andtablets...youknow.AndImgoing:Whoa!HolyCow!TheHallofRecords.Wecanreallyfindoutwhatsgoingon.Youknow?KC:Absolutely.


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JM:Andthentheyusedground-penetratingradarandtheysay:Yeah,wefindacavitythere,undertheleftpawoftheSphinx.SoImgoing:Okay,great!Letsdigdownthereandfindoutwhatitis!Tothisveryday,asfarasIknow,nobodysdonethis;theywontallowthis.Theywillnotallowustogettothetruth...KC:Yes.JM:...oftheoriginsofhumankind.KC:Exactly.BR:ZahiHawass,dontyoubelieve,doesknowwhatsgoingonhere?Andhessmartenoughtotakeaccountofallthese...thisalternativeresearchandremoteviewing,andtotryandgetthatinformationforhimself.Doyouthinktheressomethinggoingontherebehindthebackground?JM:Ipersonallysuspectthatsomebodyhasalreadygotteninthere.Ijustcantbelievethateverybodyknowsitsthereandnobody'llgolooktoseewhatitis.ButyouhavetounderstandthattheEgyptianauthorities...whopaystheirsalaries?KC:Yeah,absolutely...JM:Andwhodotheyoweallegianceto?Whohastrainedthem?Youknow,again,werebacktotheEvilEmpire.[laughs]KC:WhatabouttheCoral...YouknowtheCoralPalace,orwhatevertheycallit,downbyFlorida,whereheprovedthatmovingthosestoneswasdonebyawholedifferentmeansthanwhattheytalkedabout

with...JM:Right.KC:...slavelaborinEgyptandallofthat.JM:Right.KC:TheyhaveavestedinterestinperpetuatingthemythofslavelaborinEgypt,butinreality,thatsnotwhathappened.JM:Wellyouknow,Kerry,thatssomethingthatgotmeontothis,alongtimeagobeforeIseriouslystudiedancienttechnologyandancientcivilizations,wassimplythefactthatwearetoldthatthepyramidswerebuiltbytheslavesoftheEgyptianswhodraggedthesestonesthroughthedesert,youknow,withoutany[laughs]realmodernwheelsoranythingelse,andsomehowbuiltthesehugeedifices.Well,

whoweretheslavesoftheEgyptians?TheHebrews.KC:Mmhm.JM:Okay?Andwhoisoneofthemostwelldocumentedpeoplesintheworld?TheHebrews.TheyhadoraltraditionsgoingdownforthousandsofyearsandthenfinallywroteitintothebooksoftheOldTestamentoftheBible.Thereitallis.AndIdefyyoutogointhereandfindmeoneversethatsays:Oh,bytheway,UncleHerbiespenthiswholelifedraggingstonesthroughthedesert,youknow,tobuildthosepyramids.Itdidnthappen!Itdidnthappen.Theressomethingelsegoingon.Andwhydonttheywantustoknowaboutthat?Well,overandabovethefactthatEgyptistotallydependentonthetouristdollar,based

ontheEgyptianmythosisthefactthatthiswouldtellus,possibly,ofourextra-terrestrialorigins.And,moreimportantly,itwouldpointusinthewayofalternativetechnologyandenergysources...KC:Absolutely...JM:...andthisis...KC:...weretalkingaboutsoundtechnology...JM:Right.KC:...weretalkingabout,Idontknow,scalarwaves,weretalkingaboutmindovermatter...JM:Right,exactly.


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KC:Whichis...thisisallstuffintheBlackProjects.JM:Yeah.Sonicfrequencies,whoknows.Haveyouseenthehieroglyphsofthefigurestandingthereholdingthebigtubes?KC:Mmhm.JM:Okay,andtheresacordthatrunsoutandbehinditandgoestothelittlepowerthing,youknow--theycallittheJedi,thetower--Icallittheoscillator,okay?WhenIsawthose,andifyougoupandlookrealclose,unliketherestofthecaricaturesonthehieroglyphicsoffigureswheretheyjusthavetheoutlineofthepersoncutintothestone,thishasadoubleoutlinetoit.KC:Hm.JM:Andwewereremarkingonthatandwonderingwhatdoesthatmean,andImthinking--beingacartoonist,amongotherthings--isthatwhenyouwanttoshowmovement,youdrawextralines.Youknow,ifyoudrawahand,andyouvegotsomelineshere,itslikethehandsmoving.So,bydrawingadoubleoutline,theyreshowingthattheyregoingaye-aye-aye[makessoundsandshakesasifelectrocuted].KC:Ah![laughs]Okay.JM:[laughs]Theyreactuallyusingthisequipment!KC:Right.JM:See?Itsverycarefully...itsjustasecondoutline,okay?Itsnotliketheytriedtodosomethingelse.Buttheresalotof

interestingthingsoverthere.SomeofthetempleshavebeendefacedbyKnightsTemplar;Maltesecrossescarvedinoverthehieroglyphics.KC:Mmhm.JM:Andofcourse,see,weretalkingaboutstuffthatshandeddownforthousandsofyears,anditsbeendebasedanddefacedandvandalizedbyeverybodyandanybody.Sowerejustscratchingaroundintheseruinsandtryingtopiecetogetherwhatactuallyhappened.Iguessthecorollarywouldbe,youknow,fivethousandyearsfromnowtheyllfindaCokebottleburiedinthedirtsomewhereandtherearegoingtobewholescientificpaperswrittenabout:Iwonderwhatthiswasabout.Obviously,sinceitsinthefemaleform,itmustbesomekindoffertilitygoddessiconthattheyworshipped.Youknow,this

is...werejustmakingthisstuffup,becausewedontknow.KC:Yeah,absolutely.So,wheredowegofromhere?Imean,youcoveredthegamutandthisisanamazingoverviewofaninterviewthatyouvegivenus.AndIdonteven...Imean,youclearlyshowushowyoucangofromEgypt,totheNazis,totheAmericangovernment;andyoucandrawathrough-linefromonetotheother.JM:Yeah.KC:Itsanamazingthing.Sowhatisyoursolutionatthispoint?BecauseIseethatyoucanactuallyforeseethatwecouldchangetheworld...JM:Sure.KC:...intosuchaplace...

JM:Sure.KC:...wherewecouldhaveaccesstofreeenergy,accesstoliving--keepingallthepeoplealiveontheplanetandhavingthemfed,clothed,housed.Werenotdoingit,butthisis...JM:Whynot?KC:...abigstepintherightdirection.JM:Whynot?Whyarentwedoingit?KC:Thats...JM:Youknowwhy?BecausewesitbackandweletcriminalsandNazis


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[laughs]gaincontroloverthecorporationsandoverthegovernmentthatssupposedtobelookingoutforusandtakingcareofus.And,hey!Theresmoreofusthanthereareofthem.Justsay:No.KC:Ithinktheres...JM:Throwthebumsout.KC:...alsothemythoffreedom,becauseifpeoplestarttorealize--andIthink,certainly,theyarerealizing,andthisisthedangerofthiseconomicdownturnthatshittingAmerica--isthatAmericansaregoingtorealizetheyrenotsofree,okay?Thattheyvebeenprogrammedbythemedia,bythis,bythat,andtheyrealsocurtailedbytheirgovernment.Andprobablythese,theselimitationsarecomingdownevenharderandfaster.Soifyourealizeyourenotfree,thatsthebeginningofwakingup.JM:Thatsright.Andifyouthinkyourefree,justaskyourself:canyoujustpickupandmove?Canyoujustpickupandgomovetoanotherstate,ormovetoanothercountry?Andchancesare,youregoingtogo:Oh,no.Icantdothat.Why?Because:Well,Idlosemyjob,andIcouldntmakemypayments,andIcouldntmakemymortgage,andIcouldntpaymyrent,andI...Yourenotfree!Yourenotfree.Youdontevenhaveanyideawhatfreedomis.Sowevegottogetbacktotheideaoffreedom.Andthiseconomicturn-downorevencollapsemayendupbeingareallygoodthing.KC:Absolutely.

JM:BecauseIknowalotofpeoplewho,youknow,theyvebeentaughttokeeptheirnosetothegrindstoneandbeloyaltotheircompanyandworkandputinagoodlong...goodhoursofworkforyourbossandthenyoullbetakencareof,andnowtheyrefindingoutthat:No,noitdoesntworkthatway.Youknow,youllworkyourtailoffuntilyouresixty-four,andthenayearbeforeyourretirementtheyregoingtoletyougo--down-sizeyou--sotheydonthavetopayyouthatretirement.Andthisishappeningmoreandmoreoften,andpeoplearebeginningtorealizethis.KC:Andtheyredoingawaywithyoursavings,andyourSocialSecurity...

JM...andyoursavingsaregoingaway...KC:Itsallgoingtobegone...JM:...your401ispffft,youknow,itsdown40percentormore...KC:...andretirementsnogoodforanybody,anyway...JM:No,theresnoretirement.TheresnomoneyinSocialSecurity,andeverybodysays:Yeah,wellIvegottheseinsurancepolicies...Yeah,bigdeal.Whatiftheinsurancecompanygoesbroke?Whathaveyougot?Yougotapieceofpaper,thatsallyougot.So,numberone,startacquiringtangibleassets.Getalittlepropertyyouownyourself;getsomethingyoucangrowtomatoeson.Getahome,getabuilding,getsomethingyoucanactuallyhavesometangibleassets.Thenstartworkingdoingthingsthatyouenjoydoing.

Thisissocool.Iknowsomanypeoplewhoforyearsworkedforthecompany,workedforthecompany,andthenthecompanyjustcutthemloose.Andtheyfoundoutwhatgoodthatdoesandwhatloyaltydoesforyou.Sothen,indesperation,theyrunaroundandtheytrytofindanothercorporatejob,andthatgetstough--andparticularlytheolderyougetthetougheritgets.Sothen,allofasuddentheyfinallyhaveto,outofdesperation,theystartthinkingforthemselves,andtheygo:Well,youknow,whatdoIliketodo?Well,Iliketogrowflowers.


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So,thenextthingtheyknowtheyregrowingflowers,andtheyrecuttingflowersandtheyvestartedtheirownlittleflowerdeliverybusiness.Andthefirstthingyouknowtheyredoingprettygood.Andtheyremakingaliving,andtheyregettingalong.Theyrenotgettingrich,buttheyresurviving;theyredoingjustfine.Andtheyredoingwhattheylovetodo.Andthat...KC:Thatsarealkey.JM:...thatsarealkeything...KC:Yeah,absolutely.JM:...andreally,reallyimportant.Andthen,astimesgettough,ifwejustallstartnetworkingandworkingtogetherasacommunity,youknow.Yougrowsomechickensand...KC:Bartering.JM:...andIllswapyoumytomatoesforyoureggs,andwellalljustgetalong.KC:Thatstrue.JM:Yearsago,IhadkinfolksdownineastTexas,andtheywerejustscrapingout,livingthereinthedirt--reddirtineastTexas--andIrememberaskingthemwhenIwasakid,Isaid:HowdyouguysgetalongduringtheDepression?Theyjustlaughed.Theysaid:Hey,whatDepression?Theysays:Wedidnthaveanythingtobeginwith[laughter],wedidnthaveanythingduringtheDepression.Wejustkeptdoingwhatweweredoing,andwe

gotonthrough!And,wereallgoingtogetonthrough.Wereallgoingtodo,actually,wereallgoingtodogood.Infact,wemightevenendupdoingalotbetterbecausewerenotgoingtobe,youknow...Butheresthekeything--stepone--turnofftheTV.KC:[laughs]JM:Justturnthesuckeroff.Andyouknowwhat,afteracoupleweeksyouregoingtofindouttwothings.Youregoingtofindout,numberone,youhadntmissedanything.IfWorldWarThreestarts,believeme,youregoingtoknowit,okay?Soyourenotgoingtobeoutoftheloop,allyouregoingtobemissingisallthatcelebritynewsandthelatestshootingsomewhere,and,youknow,whocares?

Andnumbertwo,youregoingtofindthat,allofasuddenyougotsometimeonyourhands,andyouregoingtostartreading.Andasyoustartreading,itsgoingtostimulateyourbrainprocessesbecauseitsnotapassivething.Youhavetoactuallyreadandthinkaboutthewords,andthenthinkabouttheconcepts.Youregoingtostartthinking,andyouregoingtostart:Wow!Youregoingtostartthinkingaboutthings,andyouregoingtogetabetterappreciationofwhatsreallygoingon,andwhat,maybe,youcoulddoaboutit.KC:Allright.Thankyouverymuch,JimMarrs...JM:Thankyou.KC:...thatsreallyfabulous.--Endofinterview--BR:Thatsagoodone,Jim.

JM:Allright.KC:Thankyou.BR:Thankyou,sir.KC:Thatsgreat.Thatwasamarathon.JM:Well,itwas,butitsalwaysgreattoactuallygetinandtalkabouttherealstuff,youknow.KC:Yeah.Well,Imrealhappyyoudidthat.Thankyouverymuchforgoingintoallthoseplacesforusbecause,youknow,youkindofwentofftherecordalittlethere,andjust...


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JM:Well,Illtellyou...butyouknow,itsfunnyits...[laughs]Whenyousaid:YoudrawancientEgyptandtheNazisandAmerican,itslike...KC:Itsanamazingthing.JM:Itis.Andthethingis,though,itreallyis,becauselike,ifyousawmypresentation,IpointedouthowtheTreasureofSolomonwhichcameoutofEgypt,andthenitsburiedinJerusalem,andthenits...halfofitstakentoRome...[laughs]andthenfromRomeitgoestothe...KC:AndthenitmakestheNazispossible,right?JM:Yeah!AndthentheNazisendupgettingit...KC:AndthenitcomestoAmerica,right,onthose...JM:Yeah.KC:...ontheU-Boat,orwhatever.JM:Yeah.KC:AndthenArgentina.Andnow,supposedly,allthesepeoplearegoing...theirwholesolutionis:godowntoSouthAmericaandgetawayfromAmerica,right?JM:[laughs]KC:But...Hello?[laughs]JM:[laughs]Yougodownthere...KC:Guesswhosdownthere?JM:Youregoingtoreally...KC:TheBushfamilyinParaguay,right?

JM:Exactly.With...howmanyacrestheyget?Somethinglike...KC:Idontknow.JM:Ikeephearingvariousthings.Ithoughtitwasninethousandacres,andthenIhearditwasninety-eightthousandacres,so...KC:Andyouhavetolookatthatandsay:Well,therehastobeaplanthere,aswell.JM:Yeah,exactly.KC:Theywereplanningthatthewholetime.JM:Well,theyrereadytobailoutoftheUnitedStates.KC:Exactly.JM:See,thisisthething;theygotamovietheyregoingtoshowhere,whichisreallyinteresting.Itsgotareallyfascinatingthemetoit,whichisthatthiswholethingbuildinguptoArmageddon,and

thattheeconomyscollapsing,andtheenvironmentscollapsing,andda-de-da-de-da...Thisisallascam--nottothepublic--buttotheNewWorldOrderpeople.KC:[laughs]JM:Andtheyreallythinkthatitsallabouttocomedown,sotheyallhadbeensecretlyworkingon...KC:Jumpingship.[laughs]JM:Theyrejumpingship.Sotheyallleavetheplanet[applauds]andwerehere[laughs]wecangoon...KC:Wereallgood!JM:Weregood,wellhaveanicelife.[laughs]Isntthataninterestingconcept!KC:Well,IknowwiththeBushesinSouthAmerica,weregoingtobe

ingoodshapeanyway,youknowwhatImsaying?LetthemgotoParaguay,youknow?JM:Yeah,theyreallgoingtoendupinhell,anyways,sowhatthehell.KC:Sure.Absolutely,yeah...itscrazy,whattheydidinArgentina,Imeanitsjust...Thatsanamazing,amazingstoryaswell,so...JM:Itis.KC:Imean,thereisnostoneunturned.Antarctica,right?JM:Right.KC:Theyrethere.So...


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JM:Itsawholeamazingthing...KC:Itssocrazy.Okay,well...JM:Well,thanksforthecoffee...KC:Andthankyou,Jim.Thishasjustbeengreat...JM:AndImgood...ohgosh,infactIguessIvegottorunsomewhereelsenow.BR:Jim,itsapleasure.Thanksforgivingusyourtime,yourenergy...JM:Bill.Thankyou.BR:...yourfocusandyourpassion.Thatsallamancangive.JM:Allright,wereinCaliforniaSuite,orArizonaSuite?KC:WereinArizonarightnow...JM:WereinArizona.Okay.Allright.Yalltakecare.KC:Okay,takecare.JM:Hey,justbekind...KC:Yeah.JM:DontmakemelooklikeabiggeridiotthanIam!KC:No,yourefabulous.BR:Welldowell.Dontworry.Welldowellforyou,Jim.JM:Okay.BR:Youcantrustus,wepromise.KC:Youreabsolutelyfabulous.Wecanrunitbyyou.Whateveryouwanttochange,justletusknow.JM:Okay.

EndsequenceBR:...andwesay:JustDoSomething.JM:Dosomething!Dowhatyoucando...Exactly!Maybeitsjustwritingletterstotheeditor,youknow,but...KC:Absolutely.JM:Orgettingoutmarchingandcarryingasign.Idontknow,itsjustwhateveryoucando,butbyGod,dosomething![laughs...]

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