The Healing Codes Teleseminar with Dr. Bruce Lipton

12.15.05

Don Winfield: Welcome all of you, tonight. As many of you heard, there are people here from all over the world this evening. Obviously, there is a big crowd out there. We welcome all of you. I’ve been looking forward to tonight. I’m a big fan of Dr. Bruce Lipton. Dr. Alex Loyd, the discoverer of The Healing Codes, and Dr. Ben Johnson, who has three medical degrees, will interview Dr. Lipton. They are going to have a lot of fun together and we’re going to participate as listeners. A couple of details. One is that ten minutes and forty minutes into the call I will come back in and tell you where to get more information about Dr. Bruce Lipton, his books, his website, etc. We do that because there are more people online at that time than at any other time. Also, if you cannot be here through the entire call, we will put up a page where you can download the mp3 and transcription of this phone call. That will be available to you after the holidays to celebrate the New Year. That will be at www.thehealingcode.com/bruce His website is www.brucelipton.com We will have questions and answers towards the end. Dr. Lipton, Dr. Alex Loyd, and Dr. Ben Johnson will do the interview for about seventy to ninety minutes and then we’ll open it up for Q&A in case you have questions for Bruce that haven’t been answered earlier. I’d like to welcome Dr. Alex Loyd and Dr. Ben Johnson. And I’ll let you introduce Dr. Bruce Lipton. Dr. Alex Loyd: Thank you, Don. I have been so excited about tonight. I’ve been excited about it for years and I didn’t even know about it until a couple of weeks ago. I’ve been so excited because of what I believe true greatness is. There are a lot of people out there in the world that do what we would consider to be great things. They invent something; they make millions or billions of dollars. And that’s wonderful and I applaud those people. But to me, true greatness is someone who takes their intelligence, their giftings from God, their passion, their time, their sweat, and they do something that changes the world for all of us. There is no one I know of in this field who would fit that description better than Dr. Bruce Lipton. Several years ago after I first discovered The Healing Codes (which I believe was a gift from God) even though I knew it was real and would change lives, I was searching for some scientific basis and validation. A friend of mine sent me a tape called The Biology of Belief. It was a long video. I don’t know how long that booger was. Two hours or maybe longer than two hours. I couldn’t believe they got it all on one video. I wore that thing out! I watched that thing until it wouldn’t run anymore. Every time I saw it, I learned something new. You can ask my wife, the first several times I watched it, my mouth was just on the floor. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing.

Dr. Lipton has been an unbelievable pioneer in helping us change our paradigm about life, about health, about success (however we define that). I am just so excited to welcome you tonight, Dr. Lipton. And as we heard and as Don said, we have people here from all over the world. That’s not a testament to The Healing Codes, that’s a testament to you. I’m honored beyond words and humbled for you to join us tonight. Dr. Bruce Lipton: (laughing) Well now I have nothing left to say. I’m extremely taken back because I feel like I’m the student in this entire thing. It was sort of like when The Healing Codes were passed down I was in a biology research laboratory and the information that came down was the same kind of information, just in the context of biology. So I was just a person going, “Oh, wow. Oh, wow, this is amazing.” Because it was far from anything that I was thinking about in regards to how life worked as a scientist. So I was completely taken aback by this information. I’m as much like a student as anyone else and as I was sitting there, this awareness was dawning. I’m just a lucky boy. Because what happened was that when this information about this new biology was essentially downloaded, it was interesting, because I saw this mystery of life. It was sort of like the curtain pulling back in the Wizard of Oz and you could see the wizard with all the levers and switches and things. And seeing how it worked. This science came down and gave inside information about the nature of our lives and how we work and where we’re going and what’s going on. Stuff that I wasn’t brought up with. In the sense of spiritual stuff. I wasn’t there. I was teaching biochemistry and genes and science like that. It was a transformative moment because the science reveals the nature of a spirituality that I, first of all, wasn’t looking for, and secondly, hadn’t had any thought of it being there or not. When it hit it was like, “Oh, my God, look at that. That’s how it works!” And I was so blown away. It was fun because I go out and try to tell people about this new science. And fun in this regard. Because when you understand the new science, you really understand that you have a lot of power over controlling your health and the character of your life. It was funny, because I would stand up front and tell them, “If you understand this new science, you will be able to really take power over your own life.” And then people in the audience would sort of cock their head and look at me and say, “Lipton, your life doesn’t look that great for a guy who knows these answers.” I felt so taken back. I didn’t say exactly this, but might as well have said, “Well, do as I say, not as I do.” Then it hit me like a ton of bricks. You can become aware of a lot of things. But if you don’t take that awareness and actually use it and put it into play like a tool, then it doesn’t serve you in any way. The whole thing about it was, there I was giving a lot of lip service, or “Lipton service,” in this case, and I realized my life was going on just as before in the same uneasiness. It seemed out of control. These people caught me. And I really made a personal commitment and said to myself, “My God, here I am talking about this stuff and I really have no verifiable evidence. It all sounds great on paper.” But I just didn’t know if it had any practical reality to it. So I made this commitment to be in integrity. I said, “I really cannot continue lecturing on this information unless I really know the power of it.” Then I thought, “Oh, my goodness I’m just cutting my foot off

here.” Because I decided I would cancel lectures if I don’t have enough of an understanding of this in my life. The funny part was that as soon as I started applying that information, my life changed. At that moment in time. I haven’t been able to stay in the box ever since. Because I’m just so excited and delighted. I’m very excited and delighted by the audience. And it’s interesting, because while the audience members might find themselves alone where they are or somewhat separated from other people, I realize that they’re part of a community. Every one of you that’s listening is part of an emerging community that is starting to look for a different truth about the nature and character and quality of life. Because apparently it’s just not working all that well for a lot of people. And yet we know inherently and intuitively that there is something more that we just haven’t really caught on to. So I really applaud you because you are making that effort that I said you have to make. You’re making the effort to go out and seek more information. That should be very seriously congratulated in this regard because we are facing some very stressful times. And there are going to be people who are going to float through this period and there are going to be people who have terrors through this period. I really believe that the people on this line will be part of that population that will float through untouched by what’s happening in this world because you’ll be walking on a higher plane. So congratulations on that. (Laughing) After that long preamble, I’m ready to get into the subject matter. Dr. Alex Loyd: Let me say that we are so grateful, Bruce, for your “wow” and that you are out of the box. We are the beneficiaries of that. Let me ask you a question here and then we’ll bring Dr. Ben in for the next question. All these questions are out of Bruce’s writing. We’ll tell you how to get any and all of those and I could not recommend those more. I would buy those – maybe cut down on your grocery bill this month if you have to. It will make that big a difference in your life. Bruce, what would you say is the fundamental difference between the conventional science that we’ve all learned and the “new biology” that you emphasize in your books? Dr. Bruce Lipton: Very fundamentally, whether one is a victim of life circumstances or whether one is a participant in the unfolding of their own life. The difference is profound. This is what conventional medicine essentially teaches - your body is like a machine. And if anything goes wrong with its function or its behavior and it isn’t working right, then we have a tendency to blame the machine and say that the mechanism doesn’t work right. And your genes program your mechanism and apparently you didn’t choose the genes you were born with, and you can’t change the genes you came with. Then you start to realize that, “well, my life is characterized by my genes and I had no selection process in it. I’m just sort of a victim of heredity and whatever was passed down. That’s what I have to face in this particular life.” And then of course once you find that you’re a victim, you see you’re powerless. Like the unfoldment of your health, let’s say. You say, “It’s the machine that determines whether I’m going to have cancer or

not. Or whether I’m going to be well or sick.” And you wake up in a fear of your own machine breaking down on you. We offer that as the belief system that your cells are creating your life and genes create their characters and you can’t do anything about it. There’s a side effect of this belief system. Because once you believe that your health and behavior are not anything that you can physically control and you’re powerless over changing those genes you realize that you require someone to come in and help you fix the machine. Of course that’s what they’re trying to get you to believe. That you’re a victim and therefore the medical situation represents the system that knows how to fix that thing. And you don’t, therefore you need them. Then we lose all these powers and then we look at life in so much more of a fearful manner because of the uncertainty of our health and our survivability and the character of our lives. That’s old model. New model: Genes are involved with making the machine. The machine is a vehicle. But 95% of us got here with an adequate genome to have a wonderful, healthy, prosperous existence. If we start to find that we’re failing at that, if we start to find that illness comes in or stress is overcoming us in this, we have the old tendency to believe, “Oh, well, I can’t do anything about it.” But now we start to recognize with the new biology that we are the vehicle, but that there is a driver. And we left the driver out of the story before and blamed everything on the machine. The issue is that now that we recognize there is a driver to the machine, we also recognize there’s also a thing called “driver education.” What education did you get to drive this machine of yours? And who is the driver? Is it someone of our spiritual or energetic nature? What’s the difference? It goes like this: If I told you my car is standard shift and you don’t know how to drive a stick shift and you drive away and the car is bucking and clanking and going down the street, you’d be thinking, “Oh, that’s not good.” And then I get a call back two days later saying, “You know that car you sold me? The clutch is bad.” And I say, “Tell you what, bring it by and we’ll put a new clutch in.” So you bring the car back, I put a new clutch in, you drive it away clucking and banging and bucking down the street. Then I get another call about a week later and you say, “You know that clutch that you put in? That doesn’t work, either.” Then all the sudden we say, “Oh, no. It’s ‘chronic clutch disfunction.’” So what we do is we go to the parts store, which is the pharmacy, and we keep replacing these clutches. And all of a sudden there’s a point that says, “I’ve been blaming the machine and I’ve been blaming the clutch when the reality was that if you see how you’re driving, you’re not driving correctly. If I teach you how to drive a stick shift and how to use the clutch, then that same clutch could last you a hundred thousand miles.” So the point was, “Well, wait a minute-” Coming to human health, the medical profession says it’s the machine. Anything wrong with you, it’s the machine. Buy the chemicals, buy the drugs, it’s the machine. Yet, what we’re beginning to see with the new biology is that it is a machine. And the important point is that 95% of us got machines that should drive beautifully when you get it off that assembly line and last you a lifetime. If it’s not working, then before you blame the machine, we might have to look at the way you’re driving. That, all

of a sudden gives you power because if you change the way you’re driving, you can enhance the vitality and livelihood of the mechanism called the “body.” The difference between the two is that the medical approach suggests that you’re a victim and that they have the chemicals to fix you. The new approach says that you’re the driver and it’s your responsibility. But when you know how to drive it, you’ll have carefree riding for the rest of your existence on the road. Don Winfield: I’m going to interrupt and give Bruce’s website address. I highly recommend you get a copy of his book Biology of Belief. I own two copies. I bought one copy and then they came out with a special that had a number of free bonuses with it that I wanted. So I bought another copy to get the special. It is a wonderful book. There are also videos and other resources on the website. It’s www.brucelipton.com Dr. Bruce Lipton: And I just want people to know there are free articles and references to get information right off the website. So it’s not all a money situation – information is available to download. Don Winfield: But the book is excellent and they ought to buy it. If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you can select the “Biology of Belief” link and it will take you to another page where you can find out more about the book. He also has free audios up there where you can hear Bruce talk about a lot of the information in the book. Bruce is a very giving person. He doesn’t hold back in the hopes that you’ll buy the book.. But I highly recommend that you do. Also, we’ll have a transcript of this call and an mp3 at the start of 2006 at some time. You can find that at www.thehealingcode.com/bruce Ben, would you get in here and speak for a bit? Dr. Ben Johnson: Thank you Don. I think all of us listening to the call right now are having one of those “ah-ha” moments, Bruce. Realizing that we don’t have to be the victim. We don’t have to play the victim. We can kind of think of our cells as miniature people and the cells of our body are a community. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yeah. First of all, this is a wonderful opportunity to recognize that when we look at ourselves in the mirror, we see ourselves as a single individual. Yet, as a biologist, I have to say that’s a big misperception. Because when I look at the body, I look at it as the nature of the cells. The cells are the living things that make us. And in fact, the body contains upwards of 50 trillion cells. Every cell is an intelligent, living organism. My research was taking cells out of humans and cloning them in Petri dishes and studying how they live and grow and studied their life. This was where I started to get the understanding. The cells taught me the most fundamental lessons of life. It’s interesting, because as I said, we see ourselves as this singular, one entity, when in fact, we actually represent a community where every cell is a living entity that is tuned in to a central broadcast of the community to hold all the cells together. So all the cells are

essentially listening to like, CNN. They’re listening to the news, but that news is coming from what we call the “central nervous system” or the mind. The reason that’s relevant is because just as much as we sit around and watch the TV or listen to the radio and watch the news and sometimes we get all nervous and all excited and concerned and sometimes we’re happy and sometimes we’re afraid – the cells in our body are doing exactly the same thing as you. Except that in this case, your mind is the broadcast stadium. It’s the equivalent of the government telling the people, “Okay, here’s what’s going on.” And these cells live in your body in this community. The nature of health is that when we’re really healthy, there’s wonderful harmony in the community. But when we start to get in the state of stress, we start causing the cells to break apart and the harmony of the community starts to lose the harmony. When the community starts to lose harmony, it starts to express a state of dis-ease. It’s not working smoothly. So now we stand back and look at ourselves. We say that, number one, we are a community. And the health of our community is based on the information that’s being shared in the cells of the community. But the information that’s being shared is the information that’s being derived from our thoughts and our mind and our behaviors. Then when you pull back, you have to say, “Are you, in your thoughts, giving the community the information that life is good and life is healthy and we’re really happy to be here, and God bless all you cells that are there working and doing your job. And life is working beautifully.” Or are you looking at the world thinking, “Oh, my God, that’s not going to work.” And, “I don’t think that’s going to happen.” And “I’m afraid that this may not work.” And the difference is the one side sustains happiness and growth and community. The belief that we’re in the right direction and life is good. But if we start sending messages that life is against us and that we’re victims and we can’t do all these things, the cells inside are being bombarded by this information. And the information is converted into biochemistry. So your thoughts might be these energy things going on in your head, but the thoughts are converted into signals that are sent to the cells to coordinate their functions in regard to what the thoughts are. A simple understanding can be done like this. Back in the fifties, we were afraid that the Russians were going to bomb us. So we built bomb shelters. These were supposed to be used in case we saw a need to protect ourselves. I want you to understand that a community of people and a community of cells are very parallel expressions. If I talk about a community of people and their responsiveness, it applies to the cells. So it’s goes like this. Imagine a beautiful day. It’s spring. The sun is out. Things are growing. The factories are working and making things. The schools are going on. Education is happening. Businesses are open. When looking at this community, I would say that it’s in growth, it’s on the move, and it’s spring. Everything is beautiful. I would say this is a growth situation.

Then, all of a sudden in the middle of the day, an air raid siren goes off. And when the air raid siren goes off, everyone runs to the bomb shelter because that was our training. That bomb shelter was going to be a place of protection. So now I say, “Okay, wait. Before the bomb/air raid alert, the community was in a state of growth. But when the air raid alert went off, the people left their jobs, their classrooms, or wherever they were, and they went into the bomb shelters.” The simple question is, “If everyone left their job and they're in the bomb shelter for protection, then what happened to growth?” The answer is that nothing is growing! Everything stopped. When you’re in protection, you wall yourself off. When you’re in growth, you open up to the community. The interesting fact is this. If it’s just an air raid test, that means everyone left their jobs for ten or fifteen minutes and went to the shelter. Then the all-clear came and they got up and went back to work again. So it was like a long, extended coffee break. But here’s the problem in today’s world. The way the fears are coming in with our world today, we are sort of like that community. The fears generate the air raid siren, we run into the bomb shelter. But here’s the problem. There is no all-clear. We stay in the bomb shelter and we wait. And we wait. And we wait. Because we’re afraid and we know we need protection. Now the question is this: “how long can you wait in the bomb shelter?” The answer is that there is a finite time – how much food have you stored in that bomb shelter? The point is that when you run out of food, where do you get food for growth? Plus, there has been no growth because when everyone is in the bomb shelter, they’re in protection. The point is that if you stay in fear, you inevitably die because you’re shutting off the growth mechanism. That happens to the cells. Because when our thoughts are generating a fear that something is going on, the cells are afraid because if you are afraid, they thing their life is in jeopardy as well, so they have a protection response. We now recognize that if we have the perception that there is something to be afraid of, then our thoughts will send chemicals to the body to coordinate the response and put us into a protection response. And the primary thing that protection response does is it causes the cells to shut off growth and get into a protection posture in order to preserve the energy they have left in order to run like hell when that fear shows up. And here’s the problem. If we do live in fear from day to day, then the chemistry of our body shuts down the growth processes. They also, and this is an unfortunate side effect, but they also shut down the immune system. You say, “Why would they do that? That’s protection.” Yes. But if your fears are from the outside, the immune system is only a protection from the inside of the body. So if you are being afraid that an Alkida is chasing you, you don’t care if you have a bacterial infection at that moment. If I had to fund the immune system to take care of a bacterial infection and I also had to fund my arms and legs (my fight and flight) to run away from the Alkida and I’m asking you how much you want to put in to fund the bacterial infection while you’re being chased…The answer is, “I’d rather wait on the bacteria and if I escape the Alkida, I’ll get back to the bacteria later.”

This is actually what happens in our bodies. Our immune system is actually shut down when we are in fear. The reason is (and I’ll talk about fear and threats from the outer world especially) that shutting down the immune system is a conservation effort that saves energy to be used in that fight or flight that you’re anticipating. So the more fear you’re in, two things are happening. One, the more you shut down the growth that is keeping you alive, maintaining the body, fixing and repairing the stuff that needs it…if you shut down the growth, those go on hold for awhile. At the same time, you’re taking the funding away from the immune system and now you’re open to an attack from the inside. So now you start to say, “I have this community and I’m talking to myself about how I see the world. And if I see the world as a scary place and I have fears (all you have to do is watch the TV or read the newspapers – now they’re telling you about this bird flu)…” The more fear you’re in, the more you’re diminishing the power of your entire biology. Because protection as the concept implies means you must close yourself down. And when you do that, your life functions start to go off. You’re not sustaining your life. The new biology says this. You have the vehicle. You drive it. If you live in fear, you cause the maintenance of the system to be shut down as you prepare for your survival mechanisms, which are fight or flight. And you are also shutting down your immune system. In the process, you become susceptible to things you would not normally be susceptible to. Then you start to express an illness. Not because that illness can take advantage of you, because if you were not in fear, your immune system would be fully working with its innate, God-given capacity that allowed us to be here a million years before there were doctors. That immune system kept everyone alive. We look at it today like it’s a frail system. If it’s frail, it’s because we made it that way. Dr. Alex Loyd: Wonderful. Bruce, you state that the conclusions of conventional science are flawed because they’re based on three assumptions that may not be valid any longer. Could you expand on that? Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yes. It’s very interesting because science has built a whole mountain of beliefs. Facts on top of facts on top of facts. Somewhere during that building of the mountain, we begin to buy into some facts that are apparently not true. But if we bought them at the time, then we just continue building our belief system on facts that may not be accurate. We now know that there are three fundamental belief systems upon which conventional medicine was built that are flawed. The flaws are so profound that it really causes those that are being responsible to back off of the current beliefs and say, “Wait a minute. Let’s incorporate these changes and see what direction they take us in.” Number one, the belief of medicine is based on Newtonian physics. In Newtonian physics, the mechanisms of Isaac Newton reveal that the universe is a machine made out of physical parts. The significance of that is that everything in the world is part of this machine. Including the human body. Including all the living organisms. And rocks.

They are all made out of matter. According to Newtonian physics, to understand how the world works all you have to study is the matter. The concept of invisible forces of energy is not relevant to conventional Newtonian physics because it’s basically the pieces, the chemistry, and the atoms that matter. But not invisible stuff. So conventional chemistry and medicine says, “How does the body work? It’s a machine, they have chemicals, and the chemicals are like gears in a clock. The chemicals engage and as a result of the chemicals doing their thing you have respiration, you have digestion, you have movement, you have all the characters of life. The belief system says, “Only study matter and don’t pay attention to the invisible stuff.” The new physics, which was established in 1925, completely undermines that belief by saying, “Well, we thought the world was made out of particles like marbles – atoms.” But when they started to look inside the atom to see what the atom was made of, they found that the atom was made out of invisible forces – energy. This becomes really important. Because if atoms are made out of energy and atoms make molecules and molecules make cells and cells make people, at what point did it become matter? Everything is fundamentally energy. Why is energy relevant? Energy is a more powerful way of giving shape to matter than matter bouncing around and tumbling together to form something by itself. I’ll give you a simple example. I take a piece of iron with a file and I file the iron and get little tiny particles of iron. I put them in a salt shaker and sprinkle them like salt on a sheet of paper. They bounce all over the place randomly. Then I wipe that off and sprinkle another pile and it’s a random pile of pieces. And every time I do this, I get random piles of iron grain. Next, though, before sprinkling the iron grain, I put a magnet under the table. Now when I sprinkle the iron filings, they don’t fall randomly, they start to form the shape of a magnetic field. The point about this is that if you do it again, the iron filings form the same magnetic field. So then shape is formed. And the shape didn’t come from the iron filings; the shape came from the iron filings interacting with the invisible field. So that the field is responsible for giving shape to the matter. The interesting thing about it is that in physics we talk about the invisible moving forces as energy. But it’s interesting because in ancient times, the spiritual people said, “Ooh, the invisible moving forces that give us the character of our lives.” That was called “spirit.” The fact is that they are the same definition – “spirit” and “energy.” You can give it that name or another name. But on the level of mechanism, energy gives shape to matter. Why is it relevant? Because our thoughts are energy, for example. Our thoughts are like magnets that shape the matter of our body. Why is that relevant? In fact it was just in an article in July in the Journal of Nature, which is one of the most prestigious scientific journal from a guy in conventional academia, a physicist, an appointed chair in the department of physics, Dr. Richard Hart. He wrote a one-page article in there that was titled “The Immaterial Universe.” After he described the nature of quantum physics, he said, “We haven’t brought this into our world view. We talk about it like physics. We just talk about it like it’s physics research and as theory.” But what he’s talking about is that these theories have proven to be more accurate than any theories ever tested and they don’t only apply to experiments in laboratories, they apply to everything in life.

He was writing about the immaterial universe. Let me just tell you the last two sentences in the article in this conventional science journal. “The universe is immaterial. It’s mental and spiritual. Live and enjoy.” And this is coming from the heart of mainstream academia. Why is it relevant? Because it says when we start bringing these new physics in, we start to look at the world from that perspective rather than the mechanistic way your doctors look at your body as a machine made out of chemicals. The new physics says first of all, that your body is made with a lot of mentation and spirit. And why is that relevant? Because these are where your beliefs about life actually shape your life. That becomes a level of physics. So point, conventional medicine relying on outdated physics and it is actually no longer scientific. Because in sciences, the sciences are built like one science on top of another. As a foundation. You have one science or rule and then another science extending from that. So if you have physics at the bottom of the building because physics means “mechanism,” that’s why they say “quantum physics” or “quantum mechanics” or “newtonian physics” and bottom building, mechanism. The next floor up is chemistry where the mechanisms shape the physical world as we see it. The next floor up is biology. And the next floor up is psychology. The relevance is that in 1925 physics changed their belief system about the universe from a material universe to an energy based universe. The significance by law in this building of science we’re speaking about is that if science at a lower level changed it’s belief system every science built on top of that must change its belief system to accommodate the new understanding at the lower level. What’s the point? 1925 physics said the universe is based on energy, not matter, and it’s now 2005 and conventional medicine is still basing the universe on matter and has not really brought in the nature of quantum mechanics and is therefore no longer scientific. The relevance of quantum mechanics is that when you really recognize that the physics are talking about energy and the spiritualists are talking about sprit, mechanistically, you’re talking about the same thing. So we left the spirit out of the biology. The next fact is that we believed that genes controlled life. This is an interesting thing. Because there was an assumption. Before they found the genes, they already believed they were going to look for something that was made out of matter that controlled the character of life. This is not really good science. Meaning, science is supposed to ask the question and let the universe reveal the answer. If you already tell the universe what you’re looking for before you do the experiment, that’s not real science. So basically, the belief that was handed down, especially from Charles Darwin on where life is controlled by the hereditary traits passed from parent to child and then variations and mutations, the relevance of that is that it put us on the track of looking for those material things that control traits. Then we ended up with genes. And everybody bought the story because that’s what they were looking for. But then they leave out some kind of simple observation like this. And this is the kind of thing I use in my own research except the first experiments were over a hundred years ago.

The genes or the DNA of the cell are present inside the cell in the structure called the “nucleus.” If you read the science textbooks from grade school on up, they talk about the nucleus as being the equivalent of the brain of the cell because the brain is the decision maker. They say the nucleus is the decision maker because it has the genes. And we already bought the story that genes control life. Genes are in the nucleus. The nucleus is the collection of all the genes. That would be like the brain and that’s what we teach. There’s a problem with that and it goes like this. By logic, if you take the brain out of any living organism and throw it away, that organism will die. That’s the logic of that statement. Well, here’s the point. If the genes really control life and the genes are in the nucleus and we call the nucleus the equivalent of the brain, if you take the nucleus out of the cell and throw it away, then by all consideration, the cell should die. Because it’s lost the genes – it’s brain. A hundred years ago they did this experiment and guess what? The cells didn’t die. Many of them lasted for a month or two. The point was, wait a minute - the cells aren’t just sitting there. They’re eating, they’re digesting, they’re breathing, they’re moving around, they’re communicating with other cells, they’re avoiding toxins – they’re very busy little sentient beings. So the question is, “How can they do that without genes if genes control the life? Then what’s controlling the life?” Ah ha! It’s not the genes. You can remove the genes from a cell and the control mechanisms are still there. The life is still present in the cell. The cell does all of its functions and carries them out. A surviving expression of life. If a cell is doing that without genes then you must stop right away and say, “Well, apparently the genes can’t control life because if they’re gone and life still has control then it’s not the genes.” Then you have to start to find out what it is. That’s where my research started to go in that direction. At the same time, the conventional scientists still believed in the gene and were doing the human genome project. The human genome project was to list all of the genes that would be present in a human. So based on their belief that genes control life, they had a number of genes they were expecting to find to fulfill their belief system. They had to have about 140 to 150 thousand genes to make a human being. The results of the human genome project two or three years ago now – they expected to find 140 thousand genes to make a human – they found that a human has approximately 25 thousand genes. Over a hundred thousand genes are missing if the model was right. How can the model be right? There are only about twenty five thousand genes. The answer is that the model is wrong. So there’s a comeuppance due that the belief that we hold and still teach in school that genes control life that people read in the newspaper every day. You read about the gene that controls this and the gene that controls that. The reality is that they are still saying that even though they know scientifically that genes do not control life. That is a very important point because the public is not aware of this fact. They are still in belief that genes are controlling their day-to-day existence. And that cancer is due to a gene behaving badly. The fact is that that is not true. We actually control the genes with our thoughts and our beliefs and our mind and our behaviors. We control the genes.

And the leading edge of science knows this. It’s a new field. Instead of genetic control, which literally says “control by genes,” which is the conventional belief system, leading edge science now recognizes a new thing called – listen to the words here – “epi-genetic control.” “Epi” means above, so if I say “epi-genetic control” that literally says, “Control above the gene. This is the new understanding. There is a genetic code that controls the gene and it’s not DNA. And it deals with perception of the environment. The relevance there is the old belief was that if you wanted to change your genes or behavior you had to physically change or engineer new genes. The new understanding is that if you want to change the genes or the behavior or character of that system you don’t have to change the genes. You just have to change your perceptions. Dr. Ben Johnson: Dr. Lipton, or Bruce, I was looking at my daughter’s eighth grade science book last year and it was all Newtonian physics. You’re exactly right, it’s still Newtonian physics that’s being taught out there every day. But let’s go on about perception. Because you really emphasize fundamental units of awareness are actually molecular units of perception. So let’s talk about perception and how that relates to our beliefs. Don Winfield: Bruce, before you do that, let me give out your website again. We actually have 117 more people on the line than we have lines for. So that has a lot to do with perception. We have 600 lines. Anyway, to get more information about Bruce’s information…he has free articles on his website, free audios on his website, you’ll also find a link to his book Biology of Belief; you have videos and audios that I highly recommend. I’m a big, big fan. I own them, I watch them, and I thoroughly enjoy them. I highly recommend them. Again, the website is www.brucelipton.com as in Lipton tea. Also, we will make a free transcript available probably shortly after the first of the year and a free mp3 that you can read and listen to again and send your friends to. That will be at www.thehealingcode.com/bruce Bruce, can you take it? Dr. Ben Johnson: We were going to talk about perceptions and how they relate to our beliefs. Bruce, would you share that with us? Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yes. Now, the old belief system said that genes control what goes on in life. Yet we just realized that you can remove the genes from the cell and the control is still present. So somehow or another the cell is responding to the needs that the environment demands. So do we. And again, if I’m talking about cells, I’m also talking about people. It’s still the same thing. Let’s say this. When you walk outside and the weather is really cold, the sensation of cold is a perception. I perceive it’s cold out. That perception of cold causes my metabolism to change. The environmental signal of “cold” causes my internal metabolism to activate the switches and warm up my biology to keep my body temperature at the right temperature. And yet if I walk out the door and it’s hot out then the sensation or perception of hot causes a change in my internal biology so that

I start to sweat and to change the cooling character of my body to drop my temperature so I don’t overheat. The point is this. Genes do not control my body functions like that. Genes have nothing to do with it. It’s controlled by what the environment says. So again, if I perceive it’s cold out, I raise my body temperature. The interesting thing then, is that how you see the world causes your body to make a response to keep it alive in the world. And as cells see the world, they see the chemistry and what’s going on in the body as signals just like broadcasts. And they respond to the chemicals and change their biology according to the chemicals. And the chemicals are connected to our thoughts. So if we tell our body, for example, that it’s cold out and it’s not really cold out but we believe it’s cold out. Say someone hypnotized me and said, “It’s like ten degrees below zero in here.” And I actually perceived it is. I’m hypnotized so I’m thinking it’s really cold. Then it will cause my body temperature to heat up even though the room temperature was nice and warm. What was the point? The cells respond to what I think, whether I perceive the truth or a distortion my cells still respond to what I think. So we hopefully see the world with clear vision. But there are people who see the world with skewed vision. I’ll give an example. A person with anorexia looks at themselves in the mirror and they see themselves like in a fun house mirror. Like their body looks really big and fat. And the reality is that everyone is looking at this person and thinking, “My goodness, this person is skinny and almost near death because they’re so thin.” And yet the person with anorexia looks in the mirror and they don’t see skinny. They see themselves as a big, bloated person. That’s their perception. That they’re fat. Is it true? No. But the cells don’t know that. The cells are just getting the message from the brain. So if the brain says, “I’m fat,” then the cells will go through the effort of losing more weight. Here’s the problem. If the perception was off, the cells didn’t see the perception was off. They just bought whatever the mind said. So the point is the if the mind says we’re overweight – and remember the mind is the government and it says “lose weight” – then they will do that to the extent that they will actually kill themselves. The biology is not programmed ahead of time by the genes. The biology has to continually adjust itself because the world is always changing. So you can’t be pre-programmed because who knows what the events of the world are going to be? It works differently. The body is designed to adjust itself to respond to the environment. But the response is generated by the mind, which interprets the environment. So if the mind interprets the environment correctly, then the biology does the appropriate physiology and metabolism and everything to stay alive. But if we have a misperception when we read the environment and we get it wrong, the cells respond to the wrong information. They don’t see the real environment. They only see what I sense. So my perceptions control my biology. Sometimes my perceptions are right. And sometimes my perceptions are not right. But whether they’re right or they’re not right, it’s the perceptions that still control the biology. So what’s the point? Perceptions can be right or they can be wrong. So in a sense, truthfully, the word

“perception” can be replaced by the word “belief.” If I believe this is so, this is what I’m going to tell myself. So the anorexic believes they are fat and will tell themselves to get thinner even though, as everyone else can see, the truth is that belief is not correct. Yet the cells will respond to that. The point is that we respond to our life with our beliefs that what we expect is going on and what we believe we should do. If our beliefs are inappropriately programmed, they can limit our powers or interfere with our health or cause us to take the wrong biology and they can cause a cancer, for example. This is what we now recognize. We used to think, for example, that cancer was primarily caused by genes. But even the American Cancer Society after about fifty years (and I don’t know how many hundreds of millions of billions of dollars they put into looking for cancer genes) just a couple of months ago came in with a broad, flat statement, which was surprising. It was a conservative statement, but I’m still surprised that they came up with this number. Sixty percent of cancer is totally avoidable by changing lifestyle and diet. Why is this relevant? Because this is a shift from the old biology that says you’re a victim of cancer and it happens to you. The new biology says that we’re involved in the creation of the cancer. Why s that relevant? Because if I’m a victim then I’m a victim and can't do anything about it. If I’m involved in the creation, then if someone would show me a way to make a better creation then I can make a better life. So for example, The Healing Codes can show you a better way to perceive life that will enhance your cells’ vitality rather than threaten them and put in beliefs that are incorrect. Because the cells are going to respond to those beliefs, correct or incorrect. That’s why when we start to adjust our lives we get the power back that we lost. Primarily because people told us a belief that’s not true. That belief is that you’re a victim. And that’s not true. But if you believe you’re a victim, you’ll make it true in your biology just as much as that anorexic believes they’re fat. They’re going to adjust their biology to that belief. Again, old biology, you’re a victim. New biology, you have the opportunity to change your beliefs, attitudes, and the way you drive your vehicle. And in doing so you’re offering yourself an opportunity for healing. This is very interesting, because this involves the concept of stem cells. Everyone thinks stem cells are the hot, new thing. My first experiments with stem cells were in 1967. Almost forty years ago I was growing stem cells. My research was at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine where I was teaching in medical school and doing work on cloning stem cells. To me the big joke today is the belief that people are given that apparently they have stem cells but they don’t work. And we have to give them to the research scientists and the pharmaceutical industry and they will find chemicals and drugs to make these work. The thing I laugh at from my perspective from dealing with stem cells all these years is, “So you think God gave you these stem cells and you can’t use them? He just gave them to you to hold onto until the pharmaceutical company can figure out how to make them work?”

The reality is that you have stem cells and these stem cells are present. I don’t care what age you are on the other end of this phone, you have stem cells that are the equivalent of embryonic cells. They are scattered throughout your body. Their function is to replace and repair and maintain that body like a healthy, young, new kind of body. The issue of that is that people don’t repair themselves well. They get sick and they cant’ seem to overcome this stuff. Then we say, “Well, my goodness. Maybe your stem cells don’t work. You have a problem with them. Because obviously nobody’s stem cells seem to be working.” But here’s the problem. If you believe you can’t heal yourself that is a perception. It’s not a correct perception. But like I said, if that’s the perception, then that’s what the cells are going to respond to. Correct or not correct, it’s a belief. If you believe you cant’ heal yourself, then you will negate the ability of your own stem cells to repair your body right now. This becomes relevant because we’ve been programmed as victims. We believe that our health is out of our hands. And this is the farthest thing from the truth. You have stem cells. And those stem cells can renew your entire life. Why aren’t they renewing your life? Because you have a belief that you can’t. And here’s from a guy who was not raised in the Christian tradition – I stand here and say, isn’t it interesting that one of the comments that Jesus made was that you can renew your life with your belief. And the point is that biologically today, that is an exact truth. That is you change your beliefs to bring in the fact that you can heal yourself and you’re not a victim, you can change that perception and then enhance and engage those stem cells that are waiting in your body. And have been since you were born. To work for you to repair and replace and change and build any of the systems you need to have built up in your life. The problem is that it’s a perception that we’re not capable of healing ourselves. It ‘s a perception that’s promoted very interestingly during the very earliest days of our lives. When we were infants. Because that’s when we got the perception that every time we got sick most of our parents when we were very young would take us to the doctor. “Johnny’s sick so we have to take him to the doctor.” Or “Mary has a cold and we have to take her to the doctor.” The point about this is that this is what we heard when we were kids. That was part of a programming that said, “You will not be able to heal yourself until you go to the doctor.” It’s interesting because it didn’t say the doctor was going to heal you. All you had to do was go to the doctor and then you would heal yourself. The funny part about this is if you think about how many people get better on the way to the doctor? Without even having seen the doctor! Because they’ve made the step. The step was that you were already innately able to heal yourself, but you said you had to go to the doctor first. So you go to the doctor and on the way you’re already engaging it and you’re already starting to get better. That is, again, an enhancement of showing you how your perceptions, how you see life, change your biology. And that if we get a hold on and honor our own perceptions and change the way we may have been misprogrammed, then we are powerful enough to

return and do the miracles of regenerating our lives and renewing our lives. All the other miracles that we’ve heard about and been told that we could do, but we failed to believe that. It’s interesting, because I didn’t come from that background. I came to that through science! It’s this belief that controls that. Then when I went back and heard those phrases about renewing your life with your belief…if you believe you can be healed. If I remember correctly, and I may have it wrong, but Jesus would always ask the question, “Do you believe you can be healed?” Because if the person said “no” then he really wasn’t able to help them. They were healed by their faith that they could get healed. Which is a belief. Dr. Alex Loyd: Bruce, this seems like a wonderful place to ask you to expound a little bit on the significance of conscious parenting. I have a twelve year old and a six year old. When I saw your video about Conscious Parenting it just knocked my socks off and has been a real help to me as a parent in raising my children. Could you speak for a few minutes about conscious parenting in relation to what you’ve just been talking about? Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. And it’s so important because even myself – my daughters are really a lot older now – but once I understood this I had to go back to them and say, “Oh, my goodness. I became aware of the fact that the things I was doing while you were young kids were influencing how you perceived life even though you didn’t know you were getting that as a download.” So here’s how the story goes. Perceptions control life. If you perceive that it’s cold out, your metabolism changes, etc. It’s like we said. Where do you get your perceptions? Well, some of them are built in and are instincts. The idea is that if you put your hand in the fire, your muscles will automatically jerk your hand right back out of the fire. You didn’t have to learn that. That was built into the system. That’s a reflex. You were just born knowing how to do that. You have many important reflexes. I’ll give you another example. All children at the moment of birth, they could be born underwater, and they’ll come out of the birth canal and actually swim like a dolphin, come up to the surface of the water and take a breath. It’s a natural instinct. All mammals even if they’ve never been in water know how to swim. That’s an instinct. So it’s very interesting. The question is, “Well, if all mammals know how to swim, then why do we have to put so much effort into teaching Johnny how to swim when he’s five years old?” Before I answer that, let me give you another one because they’re all parallel understanding. We’re all instinctually able to heal ourselves. That’s built into the system. The question is, “If we’re all able to heal ourselves, then why do we have so much trouble healing ourselves?” And it actually relates tot the same reason why Johnny can’t swim even though he was instinctually given that as birth. It goes like this. We get those instincts. We’re born with them. We’re already born with the abilities. But most things we do in life we acquire. For example, how to live in a culture. How to live in a community. How to live in a family. There are rules, there are

regulations and you have to learn all the proper perceptions and responses as to how to maintain this community. So here is this understanding. The human brain has a lot of electrical activity when it functions. You can read it using what’s called “EEG,” electro-encephalograph. We put wires on a person’s head and read their brain activity. In adults, we have a whole range of activity. From very low activity when we’re sleeping to very high activity when we’re very busy and engaged and focused. And we go up and down during the day, high and low, high and low. But when they looked at children, they find that children don’t have that whole range of activity. That for the first two years the child’s brain electrical activity is in the lowest state, called “delta.” The lowest frequency. When adults are in a delta state, they are essentially sleeping. Well, a child less than two is in delta, which doesn’t mean it’s sleeping. The child is observing the world, but because the brain output parts that control the muscles and the movements and the voice and all that aren’t developed yet, the child can see what’s going on and take it in, but it doesn’t have any coordination and response, so it’s sort of like observing without participating. It’s in delta. From two until six, the child’s brain activity ramps up to the next highest level, which is called “theta.” When we’re in theta, we’re almost asleep and awake. Theta is when you’re actually mixing the dream world and the real world. I’ll give you an example. If you set the alarm clock and it starts to go on with the radio and you’re still dreaming. The radio is in the real world and you’re in the dream world. But there are some times when whatever is playing on the radio is incorporated in the real world. You aren’t fully awake, but you’re mixing the two worlds together. The dream world and the real world. This is actually where children between two and six spend most of their time. Because this is that area of play where they have a lot of imaginary friends and imagination. Like that the broom is a horse or mud pies are real. They blend these together. The fantasy. That’s where a child is from two to six – theta. The next higher level of activity is “alpha” and that’s actually calm consciousness. Being aware of what’s going on. The child reaches that at about six. And then advances to the next level of focused electrical activity in the brain, called “beta,” which is focused consciousness like working in the classroom at school and taking notes. So we can see these ranges – the lowest delta and then theta and then alpha where we become more conscious of what’s going on and then beta where we become very focused. We find that a child from zero to six is primarily in delta and theta. That’s relevant because it turns out that those brain activities are the same levels of activities that a brain expresses when a person is hypnotized. So if I hypnotize you, I have to take you out of consciousness, which is the higher electrical activity, and drop you into the lower electrical activity where you’re not really conscious and I’m talking to the subconscious mind. The one that does the automatic stuff.

Why is that relevant? Because the child between birth and the first six years of its life is in this hypnotic trance state of the brain. The reason that’s important is because whatever the child experiences is like hypnosis downloaded straight into the subconscious, automatic part of the brain. The significance is that the child has been programmed by the brain design to observe the parents for the first six years and learn how they respond to everything in life. If you’re a boy, you focus on your father and try to model everything you see your father do. How he responds to the stimuli in his world. How he talks to a child, which is different than how he talks to the mom. Which is different than how he talks to a neighbor. Which is different than how he talks to the policeman. A young infant can actually learn every one of those different nuances. What is actually being programmed in the infant is how to live in the culture that we live in. Which is very complex. All the rules of our culture cant’ be an instinct, it has to be learned. So the nervous system is designed to learn the information as a hypnotic trance. But the child is not even really conscious that it’s learning stuff. It’s just like when you put someone in a hypnotic trance and you say, “Okay, you have an aversion to smoking and when you snap my fingers and come out, you’ll be awake again.” But if you get near a cigarette, that automatic program from the subconscious will remember the hypnosis and say, “Oh, I don’t like cigarettes.” That’s one way of helping people quit smoking. It’s changing that subconscious. Here’s the point. All of us are subconscious, which runs most of our lives. Guided fundamental programs of how to respond to life are in the first six years of life by observing other people. You did it just by observing them. You didn’t have to go to school to learn it. You saw it once and downloaded it. So it’s very interesting. If you lose your parents after six years of age, when you grow up, you will replicate the behavior of your parents. Even if you didn’t know them anymore than that. That’s what you download. It’s interesting because a lot of people don’t see this behavior (and this is the catch of the subconscious) when the subconscious is playing the programs, usually the conscious is busy and not observing those programs, so it never sees them. That’s why if you know someone and you know their parents, let’s say you know this woman and you know her mother very well and you recognize that this woman and her mother share the same behaviors. And you actually happen to suggest to this woman, “You know, you’re just like your mom!” Back up! Because some people will react with, “How could you say that!” They didn’t see that they’re like their mom? And the answer is no, because the behaviors they acquired that they observed from their mother were downloaded into the subconscious. When the subconscious was playing those behaviors, the conscious very rarely observed it because the conscious is usually busy thinking about the future or the past. Meaning it’s not paying attention to all the stuff that’s going on. As a result, the subconscious is running the moment-to-moment show, but it’s running it with programs acquired from other people. This is where the disconnect comes from in our lives. Because we consciously think that we’re controlling our lives. “This is what I want, but it’s not working. I keep trying. I

should be getting a higher salary. I’m really good. I’m such a good people person that I should be getting a raise. I should be getting more responsibilities. I’m not getting a raise. I’m not doing that well in my job.” Then there’s a tendency to say, “Well, my conscious mind wants me to be successful and since I’m not successful, it must be the outside world and I’m a victim of circumstances.” It turns out that the problem is the behavior that you’re expressing. And this is the fact and current science. Ninety to ninety five percent of the behavior that we use every day comes from the subconscious mind, not the conscious mind. In fact, the primary programs in the subconscious were programs we got from other people. They’re not our belief systems, they’re hypnotic observations from watching our parents respond. The problem with it is that, now I’m forty years old and even though I learned something when I was six, I’m still running the program that I acquired before six. And the issue is, “Do I observe that I’m doing these bad behaviors?” And I say, “No.” Because the conscious is usually busy so we’re on automatic – in fact, people talk about the subconscious like, “Oh, that guy pushed my buttons…” That means something caused me to make this response. And I observed this response and didn’t like it. One of the times the conscious mind actually caught the fact that when your buttons got pushed you were engaged in a response that you didn’t’ really want to do. Why is this relevant? Most of our lives are running from that program that we don’t even observe. The issues are, “What are these programs?” Here’s the sad part. The programs are not just about how to deal with the family. They’re also programs of how we are. When we’re less than six and we’re in a hypnotic trance and people like our parents tell us facts about us, they’re downloaded into the subconscious mind as facts. What kind of facts do parents give their kids? I’ll give you an example. Go to K-mart during rush hour and there’s a family with a whole bunch of kids. One of the kids is jumping up and down because it wants some toy and it’s screaming, “I want this toy, I want this toy!” And the parent says to the kid, “You don’t’ deserve that.” Or “You’re not good enough.” Why is it relevant? Just stop for a moment and think, “If this child is less than six and that parent unconsciously said what they said,” and this is where conscious parenting comes in, because if that parent knew that those words were going to be recorded into the subconscious like a tape recorder, they wouldn’t have said that. But not being aware or conscious of what they’re doing, they say to the child, “you do not deserve that.” That “I do not deserve” is what the child hears in the tape recorder and that’s what’s recorded in the subconscious mind. Now the person is forty years old, they’re out doing their busy work and their minds are thinking about all the chores they have to do at home whether they’re on their job or whatever, and that means that most of the job that actually happens mostly comes from the subconscious, like a tape player. If you know the job, you don’t have to think about it, it’s automatic. The problem is that when the mind is running on automatic, it has a program from that incident at K-mart that said, “You do not deserve.” So when I’m not paying attention, my subconscious programming is running a program that I “do not deserve.”

And so to manifest that to be real, I will make stupid errors or mistakes or something because if I believe this “I do not deserve,” then my behavior has to be coherent with the belief. If the belief is “I do not deserve,” then unknowingly, I will create a mistake, or whatever it is, so that in the end, people will look around and say, “You know what, you’re right. You really don’t deserve this.” And you’re consciously thinking, “I really know that I’m better. So why don’t’ I get this?” Because when you weren’t paying attention you went on the tape. And the tape was encoded before you were six and the tape said you “do not deserve” so you’re spending ninety five to ninety nine percent of your day operating from your subconscious mind and from the belief that you do not deserve. If you’re not paying attention, you are absolutely sabotaging yourself because you’re conforming to the belief. So what’s the nature of conscious parenting? Every move and action you do is being recorded by the child and shapes the future life and health of the child. We now realize that almost all the major illnesses that affect us in life from cardiovascular diseases to cancer to all the other kinds of issues, especially autoimmune diseases have their roots in the fetal and neonatal periods of our lives where we were downloading information from other people. That if the events of that period were not supportive or healthy then unbeknownst to us, they were recorded in the subconscious mind and the rest of our lives we are playing those negative tapes of behavior without even being aware. Some people say, “Well I can repair that with positive thinking.” This is the failure of why positive thinking doesn’t work. It goes like this. There are two minds. The conscious one, the alert one, the one that is connected with our spiritual identity – that one. And the subconscious mind, which is the tape recorder. It just tape recorded all of those experiences. How to drive a car. That’s a tape recording. You can drive a car and get involved with someone in a discussion, which is using you conscious mind, and be so involved with the discussion; you look out the window ten minutes later and realize that you haven’t paid attention to the road for the last ten minutes. The point is yes, but you drove the car for ten minutes. Who drove the car? The answer is that the subconscious knows how to drive the car. It drove the car. And here’s where the catch comes in. Because the conscious mind was busy in the discussion. If I ask your conscious mind to describe the driving that you just did in the last ten minutes, your answer would be, “I can’t. I was busy in the discussion, I wasn’t paying attention.” So yes, the subconscious mind was driving the car and since the conscious was busy, you didn’t observe the subconscious, so you have no idea of the behavior or how you drove the car. I can tel. you how you drove the car. You drove the car the way you were trained to drive the car. Because the subconscious mind is just a tape player. However you were trained is what you will say and do. The relevance about this is that the programs by which we drive our vehicles, and as I said, most of the time we’re not aware of it and it comes form the subconscious mind, it’s the conscious mind that’s creative and says, “Okay, I don’t like this behavior.” But here’s the catch. Ninety five to ninety nine percent of the day we operate from the

subconscious mind. That’s fact number one. Fact number two is in regard to computer power – comparing the processing power of the conscious mind to the subconscious mind, the subconscious mind is a million times more powerful an information processor than the conscious mind. You put those two facts together and you realize this. Ninety five percent of the day you’re operating from a million times more powerful processor called the subconscious mind that is playing tapes. Many of the tapes were programmed by other people. That means you, consciously, are running the show less than five percent of the day with a processor one millionth the power of the one with the hypnotic programs in it. When you’re thinking a positive thought, and this is interesting in itself, you’re going to have to really be paying attention to what’s going on. You’re thinking, “Okay, I’m capable of being more successful, I’m capable of healing myself…” I’m having all these thoughts. I’m not even paying attention to what’s going on. Interesting point. While you’re thinking positive thoughts, your life is actually being run at that moment by your subconscious, which has all the other programs that are leading you down the path of ruin. So it's funny – thinking thoughts with this little, tiny processor and the other mind, the subconscious mind, with the programs that are not supportive of you is running the other ninety fiver percent of the time with a million times more powerful processor. Quick question: What’s the success rate of positive thinking? And it’s obvious. Dr. Alex Loyd: Wow. Ben and I were just at one of Harv Eker’s big conventions speaking in California. There were about twelve hundred people there. And we quoted some of your work. It was totally unscripted. WE just quoted Dr. Bruce Lipton and a spontaneous cheer went up in this crowd of twelve hundred people. And I think everyone who has heard tonight understands why. We want to open up for questions now if that’s okay with you and you can keep going for a little bit longer. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. And I just want to say that while this was not a very heavy scientific talk, everything I said is based on hard science. And the references are freely downloadable from the website. And the references are grouped by topic. Like “Conscious Parenting,” “Stress Management,” or “How the Mind Functions,” “How Genes Function,” “The New Genetics.” I just want people to know that while I talk off the top like this, it’s totally based on about thirty-five years of hard reported science that’s found in articles all over the place demonstrating the things I just talked about. Dr. Alex Loyd: And there are many powerful topics that we didn’t even have time to get to tonight. Dr. Bruce Lipton: No, we need a good twelve hours. Dr. Alex Loyd: (Laughing) We’ll do that the next time.

Dr. Ben Johnson: Alex, before we move into question and answer, I would like for Bruce to cover something really important in the construct. And by the way, my wife couldn’t agree with you more about the apple not falling far from the tree. The thing I want you to cover is how this translates on a cellular level as far as basic responses. There are three basic responses to environmental stimuli that you talk about. You talk about that as a person or our cells and it’s really important to have those concepts of those three basic responses down so we understand how things happen. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Okay. Well, we acquire perceptions when we were very young. We acquired perceptions, meaning about the things in the world that we encounter. When we learned about things – this is a ball, this is a lamp, this is a car – we learned all these things. But here’s an interesting fact: Every time we learned something new, unbeknownst to us, we also give it a value of how it relates to our survival. So you look at some food and you say, “Yes, this is good. This is an apple, this is good for me.” So I would have a tendency to go to an apple because I know it’s good for me. IN contrast, I look at rat poison pellets and don’t’ think I should eat those because those are poisonous. So if I ever see them again, I avoid them. As I’m learning about all these things in life, I give them a value. Here’s what we find. When we give something a value that it’s good for us and helpful to our survival, then whenever we see that thing or experience that stimulus, we are motivated to go to it because it enhances our life. It could be physical things like an apple or more important things that are not tangible like love. That love is a perception and when you know it, you will run to it because it’s so healthy to be there. In contrast, when we see things that are negative and threatening, then we learned if we ever encounter those things that we should protect ourselves. So one set of things we see gives us growth. Those are the things we want to go to. So any stimulus that gives us growth, we move to in with open arms. To take it in. Be it an apple or love, you want to take it into your life and take it in. But in contrast, there is, let’s say, a rattlesnake; I’m not going to run to the rattlesnake with my arms open. My intention would be to go the other way from the rattlesnake and to protect myself. To put something between myself and the rattlesnake. The difference between those two is growth stimuli or things that we perceive to be related to growth, we move toward with open arms. A stimulus that threatens us, we move away from with closed arms. They are completely opposite movements. Now there are some stimuli that offer neither growth nor protection, they’re neutral. In my lectures I usually talk about elevator music. You get in the elevator and the music is playing. It’s not going to kill you. And it’s not going to make you dance. But you’re somewhere in the middle. It’s just neutral. So now I say that when we were young and we started to experience life, we attached a value of survival to every stimulus. So that when it showed up in our world, if it was something we perceived that gives us growth, we moved to it. If we perceive something that threatens us, we move away from it and close ourselves down. And the two are opposite behaviors. Growth is maintenance and

taking care of yourself and eating and managing your body’s system and being in a healthy state. Protection has nothing to do with that. Protection means walling yourself off or getting ready for fight or flight. It’s totally different from growth. And as we mentioned earlier, protection and growth are mutually exclusive. As I said, growth stimuli causes you to move to it, protection stimuli causes you to move away from the stimulus. If I’m looking at a cell and I put nutrients in front of it, the cell moves towards the nutrients. If I put toxins in front of it, the cell moves away from the toxins. What’s the point? A cell cannot move forward and backwards at the same time. The point is that a cell can be in growth or a cell can be in protection, but it can’t be in both because they’re mutually exclusive. You know, growth moving to something and protection moving away from something, you can’t do both at the same time. You cant’ be open as in growth and closed at the same time. When we respond to the stimuli in our world, we respond to it based on how we learned about these stimuli and the stimuli can cause us to open ourselves and be in growth and allow our system to heal and maintain ourselves. Or a stimulus can make us protect ourselves, close ourselves down and wall ourselves off from the world. Then, of course, the big issue is what if you mislearn a perception? That means every time after you learned that perception if you learned it wrong you’re going to have the wrong response. And any time you ever see that perception come back in your life because you learned it, you will automatically make the wrong response. Therefore, that takes us back again to that conscious parenting where we realize that parents are the ones who shape our perception. I’ll give you a simple last example before we close it out. Let’s say I’m an infant and my mother is taking me across the yard and a snake slithers by. My mother sees the snake and screams her head off, grabs me, yanks me, and pulls me into the house. That was my first experience with it. So now I say, “That’s a snake and you run like hell when you see it.” Meanwhile, the snake slithers across the backyard and goes to the neighbors yard. There is an infant there the same age as I am with its mother. And its mother is a herpetologist. She looks at it and says, “Oh, look at this pretty garden snake.” She picks up the snake, hands it to the infant. The kid is holding onto the snake and smiling and laughing because it’s so much fun and is enjoying the whole thing. What happened is that I acquired perception of “snake” that says that if you see a snake, you run and have to be afraid. My neighbor acquires a perception of a snake and says, “Not all snakes are dangerous. As a matter of fact, this one is kind of friendly. Let’s like this snake.” Same stimulus, totally different responses. The significance is that we acquire how we respond to the stimuli in our world from our parents. And if they’re doing it inappropriately, unbeknownst to us, we’re already programmed with that. And unbeknownst to us, ninety five percent of the day we respond to that program that’s not supportive.

Dr. Ben Johnson: So could cells that are in growth mode get sick? Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely because all you have to do is scare them enough that they get into protection mode and if I don’t release the fear that will cause them to die. And in fact, there is truth in that statement, “you could be scared to death.” You could shut down yourself so much that you actually cause your life to stop. So the issues are living to live in the world with perceptions that are not fear-based. Dr. Ben Johnson: Thank you so much. That’s just awesome. It’s wonderful to hear you and have you share that on our program. Dr. Bruce Lipton: I just love it because it’s the listeners out there who are going to make a decision at some point in life like I did and say, “What is this new science? And if it’s my option, do I have a choice to live in fear or to live in love?” And I can only tell you from my personal experience as a student from behind that, when I learned the fact about the love, the community, the harmony, then the harmony that I started to create in my external world was completely replicated by the cells in my internal world. Therefore once I started to live in health with the world, my health started to become in harmony with the world as well. Dr. Alex Loyd: It’s that first thing that you talked about, Bruce. That we don’t have to be a victim anymore. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. But we have to be careful because as I said, we’re unaware of those programs that cause us to make the wrong responses to stimuli. Here’s something interesting. There’s a cardiovascular surgeon by the name of Dean Ornish, maybe a lot of you have heard about him. He’s written a book about his work. While most cardiologists prescribe all these drugs to lower the blood pressure, cholesterol, whatever, Dean Ornish said, “Rather than trying to chemically change these people, what if I took these people that are having cardiovascular problems and taught them how to deal with stress? I could teach them how to have better nutrition in their lives. I give them better social skills. I give them some exercise programs.” What he basically did was instead of changing the body, change the way you are driving your body. Just like I told you about the clutch story. Teach a person how to drive with a clutch, the vehicle lasts longer. He took people and said, “You’re driving your body with so much stress that you’re damaging your heart.” And that rather than the drugs that other doctors were giving thinking, “Oh, you just have a bad heart. Let’s just put some chemicals in there and maintain the heart.” He said, “Let’s not just put the chemicals in there. Let’s train you as the driver of this vehicle. To drive with a different conscientious manner. Here are the beautiful results. Not only did cardiovascular degeneration stop in his patients. His patients actually showed that they regenerated their cardiovascular system.

Relevance? All doctors generally give medications. And I saw Dean Ornish on the television where he was very upset because he said, “If I got the same results with a drug every doctor in the world would be prescribing that drug right now.” He said, “But I didn’t do it with drugs, we did it by changing lifestyle.” And nobody in the health business was interested in doing that because that’s not the story line. They’re there to sell drugs. And the drugs barely stopped the degeneration and he was showing regeneration. He showed it without drugs. People were able to engage their own innate healing systems and return their heart back to a healthy state. Which was not seen and is not seen in any drug regimen in cardiovascular disease. What does that mean? Take your power back. Learn how to drive the vehicle better and it will last you a lot more mileage than anyone ever anticipated. Dr. Alex Loyd: That’s fantastic. Bruce, let’s give some of these wonderful people from around the world an opportunity to ask a question. Don, if we could start that? Don Winfield: Sure. While we’re setting that up, I’ll give out the website again. Also, I’d like to point out that we don’t have Dr. Bruce Lipton with us often. So these are questions that should be addressed to Bruce, not to Alex and Ben. They’re boring. We get to see them all the time. Dr. Alex Loyd: (laughing) Absolutely. Dr. Bruce Lipton: They have some wonderful answers. Don Winfield: Again, his website address is www.brucelipton.com The book is Biology of Belief and there are all kinds of different things there for you. You’ll enjoy them and as soon as we can get it up, probably the first of the year, we’ll have a transcript available that you can download at no charge and an mp3 file you can listen to. It will be at www.thehealingcode.com/bruce or www.thehealingcode.com/lipton We’ll put up two separate pages. Do we have our first question, please? Participant: Good evening. Thank you very much. I really enjoyed the talk this evening. I was actually on the call last night for The Healing Codes and that was the first time I was there. I saw you were going to be present tonight and didn’t know the treat I was in for. So thank you again. My question for you is regarding the positive thinking with the self-help and everything we’re trying to do for ourselves and bettering our lives and realizing how we’re essentially stalling ourselves. Is it your opinion with this information that it is necessary that we program ourselves while we’re asleep where we are in that state where we are able to somewhat program the subconscious mind? Or is there another way to allow us to program the positive thoughts into our subconscious thinking?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: There are a whole variety of modalities. I’ll just list them by category. There’s no special thing that I want to talk about. And you’re already talking about The Healing Codes to some level, so I really want to leave them that option to talk about it. But I will give you three basic ways. One of them is Buddhist mindfulness. Meaning that if you’re conscious all the time, then there is a tendency not to play the tapes. And if you’re conscious all the time, you have your hands on the wheel and you can make it go where you want it to go. Have you ever been conscious – it takes a bit of effort to do that because there are so many pressures on our day-to-day life that it’s hard to keep our conscious focus because our mind is tending to wander. The moment it wanders, that means you’re automatically playing a subconscious tape. But if you can get a grasp on it and stay conscious, you absolutely have the ability to make your vehicle go and do what you want it to do. You’re not relying on the tapes. Number two, clinical hypnosis. An ability that actually takes you back to the same learning state that you were in before six. It takes you into those delta/theta zones and allows a rewriting of a program that you may have miswritten the first time by observing someone who wasn’t using a good program. And the last is a variety of modalities, including The Healing Codes, collectively called “energy psychology” which are ways of reprogramming the subconscious mind. An interesting aspect about this, and I want to let people know about this right away, the conscious mind and the subconscious mind are separate entities. The conscious mind has your alert awareness, your identity, and your spiritual connection. Your subconscious mind is a tape player. Relevance? Just because your conscious mind becomes aware of something, in no way does that change the tape in the subconscious. So when I started, I was saying that I was out with all this awareness giving all these lectures about how this new science can create a wonderful life. And while I was doing that for my conscious mind, my life was still being run by my subconscious. That’s what the people in the audience realized and said, “Well, your conscious mind is giving me this information, but your expression of your life doesn’t match.” And the point of it was it didn’t because it comes from the subconscious mind. This is a very critical point because the belief is that if you become conscious of something then you will automatically change your behavior. The point is that no, the subconscious mind is, again, a tape player. The reason I bring that out is that if I give you a tape, you put the tape in your machine you push play, the program is playing, you don’t like the program, so you go up to the tape player and try to have a conversation with it. And after awhile you realize that the tape is still playing the same program and then you get mad and you start yelling at the tape player. Then you get to the point that you realize the tape player is not listening to you. Then you beseech God to come in and please change this tape. The point is this. How much talking or yelling at the tape is going to cause the tape to change the program? The answer is that you will never change the program unless you push the record button.

So there are varieties of ways, including The Healing Codes, that you can access the record button and put in a different program. But the point that people should understand is just because you became aware does not change the tape because you’re aware in your conscious mind. The subconscious mind is recorded history. So I want people to recognize that because it requires a process to change the subconscious mind. Not just, “Okay, let’s just change it!” That doesn’t do anything. I want people to know that because you can powerfully use it, but if you’re unaware of it, it’s very frustrating because there’s a tendency to think that you can talk yourself into another tape by just talking to yourself. The fact is that it’s not going to happen that way. Don Winfield: Thank you, Bruce. Next question? Participant: In essence, like on a tape player where you actually create a tape, you can listen to the tape. In this particular case, if I understand you correctly, this particular tape that we play also attracts to itself exactly what’s playing. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. Because if I put out a behavior that is like a skewed behavior, the only person that could be in balance in behavior with me is someone who is as skewed and compliments my skewed behavior and as a result we start making these codependent relationships that balance out to some degree. But they will always fail because no one is complete or whole in that relationship. These are changeable. So the fact is yes, we are all programmed. Yes, a lot of us have programs that are not supporting our vitality and our health. And yes, we can change those programs. We can’t change the genes, but we can change the behavioral programs we’ve acquired. One interesting point, and this is a little sideline. We frequently talk about the subconscious as the fount of evil and the dark things that come from the subconscious. The subconscious is a tape player. Dark things come from it if dark things are programmed into it. Here’s the interesting thing. We always look at the negative side of the subconscious. Let me give you the positive side of the subconscious. If, in fact, I was a child from a family who was spiritual, lived in harmony with the planet, lived in love with each other, always engaged in win-win behaviors and carried this out as a way of life. If I was an infant in that family, that would be the download in my subconscious. Point? I could be essentially unconscious my whole life and that subconscious program would take me to the top of the pile even if I wasn’t’ paying any attention. The point is that the subconscious has no positive or negative, it’s a tape player. What’s positive or negative are the programs that go into it. Participant: Wonderful. I really appreciate what you said. So in essence, you can rewrite. I totally understand what you’re saying. I totally agree with that. With the Buddhist mindfulness, I understand. But to rewrite it, how effective is the rewrite?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: Well, again, there are processes. There are mantras in some way. Just habit. How you got anything in the subconscious mind it’s because it’s been repeated. If you start and engage in a habit, you can reprogram via habit. But it’s a lot easier to get support from your mind and you spirit as well. It will facilitate these changes a lot faster. And I want other people who are not Buddhists to know that most of them have experienced Buddhist mindfulness and I can tell them when. That was when you met that person that lit up your life. The first time you met this person that lit up your life, all the sudden, your life changed in an important way. Because when you were trying to date or meet this person or set up a relationship, for the first time in your life, you were almost conscious all of the time. The day before you met that person you took five minutes to eat and five minutes to get dressed. You meet that person, you’re going to go out and get dressed and you’re going to go out and eat with them, I can surely tell you that it took you a lot longer to get dressed than five minutes and a lot longer to eat your dinner. Because when you started to observe yourself to make yourself presentable to this other person, you didn’t rely on subconscious tapes. You were very self-observant. Which is self-conscious. You were looking at yourself. So you didn’t rely on the tape. If you go back, you will also find that honeymoon period with this mate was some of the most wonderful and happy times you had. Interesting fact was that you were living from consciousness and not relying on the tapes. The honeymoon ends when life gets so busy that you can’t focus on the self and your focus starts to wander off to the job or the bank account or wherever. When consciousness is worrying about whether you have enough money to make it, you’re running from the subconscious and all of a sudden you will start playing tapes that your partner never saw before and that’s when the honeymoon gets a little shaky because they say, “Well where did that behavior come from?” The answer was that it was already there but because you were operating from consciousness, you were relying on the tape. Then once you got busy then the tape started to play and the mate saw behaviors that even you don’t see. That’s where the problems come in. Participant: Okay. I will definitely work on that. I’m very interested and using The Healing Codes. My roommate and I will definitely work on that. Dr. Bruce Lipton: It’s just wonderful because you get the opportunity to take back power over your life. And we have to let go of the victimization because we buy into it. So while you’re doing it, remember that you’re not susceptible to the bird flu unless you want to be. (Laughs) I was just teasing there. So that’s a belief system and you can work on that. Participant: It’s what you agree to, in other words. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. Participant: I’m wondering if you would be able to give us a correlation between your thirty-five years of research and its impact or its relationship to The Healing Codes?

Dr. Bruce Lipton: My thing is a whole independent thing and this is why it works so nicely with The Healing Codes because basically, we’re all getting down to the same understanding that we’re removing ourselves from the character of a biochemical automaton and putting ourselves into the level of an opportunity where our spiritual and beliefs and identity can actually take control of this mechanism and run it back. I don’t have direct, direct correlations, but that’s because we’ve never sat down and mapped them out. I would love to expand on that, it’s just not something that I can do at this very moment. But I know it could all come together very well. Participant: I’ve been concerned about my wife as far as memory. Can I have an affect on that in some way towards what I believe? Dr. Bruce Lipton: The answer is not really. The reason is because we are each independent people. You can have an influence if she’s open to having an influence. This is why a healer can help a person, but the patient has to be open to the healing. If the person is not open to the healing, it’s not going to work. I even go back to the concept of Jesus. Before he even started to do a healing he said you have to be open to the healing. If you think and have faith that you can be healed then we can do this process. So a very interesting similarity. If that person wasn’t open, then even Jesus wasn’t going to be able to help with that. So the issue is if your wife is in harmony with this concept then both of you can work together and, in fact, have a very profound difference. But if she is closed, then there is a problem. It’s a dicey game at that point. And this is a very difficult problem for almost everyone in the audience for this reason. We know a lot of people that we think, “If I could just help that person.” And you go and make all this effort and do everything for this person. And if they weren’t ready then nothing happens. Participant: I don’t think I’ll have any problem with that part. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Then yes, both of you can get together. Because the fact is that working together is very important to identify the behaviors. Remember that I said that most of the behaviors come from the subconscious mind? The person doesn’t see it? If two people in a relationship can understand this, then it’s very interesting. Because the things that generally lead to arguments or the splitting of couples are just programs that the person is playing. And when they, themselves are playing it they don’t even know they’re doing it and creating a problem. Then when they’re being called on it they usually feel like they’re being personally attacked. That’s when the dialogue really breaks down. If two people know that they have these tapes that they play and they don’t see them playing. And they have an agreement – and that’s very important – so my partner and I have the same understanding and it’s very beautiful. Then all the sudden, if a behavior comes out and it was obviously like a stimulus-response push button and it was not a very

supportive behavior, when it’s brought to light, it all the sudden loses the power. And the person says, “Oh, my. I didn’t really need to say that.” And all the sudden there’s the option to keep correcting it. So when it shows up, it’s like, “Oh, there’s that behavior!” And immediately, the person’s consciousness can stop the behavior right there if they’re aware that it’s happening. But as I said, most people play the behaviors that are not very supportive and are unaware that they’re playing it so they’re never aware that it’s going on. And that generally makes situations worse and worse because no one is being conscious that these tapes are playing in the first place. So I think especially if you have a partner that’s willing, then that’s the best thing in the world. That’s why coupling is very important. Because a person does not generally see their own behavior when they’re looking out of their own eyes. Participant: It’s been so marvelous; I think you’ve pretty much answered all my questions. I just wanted to find out if we have something going on here that’s like the chicken before the egg, where the programming and the reprogramming…I don’t know… Dr. Bruce Lipton: Let me try this and see if we’re working on the same lines here. That if you got programmed correctly the first time, you wouldn’t need the reprogramming. And that the issue about programming correctly the first time is having an awareness about life and how to live in harmony and in love as parents before having children. And changing those behaviors that are the automatic subconscious ones that you don’t see. Because even if you don’t see them, the child is downloading them. This is why the conscious parenting becomes important. Because if we correct our own programs so that what we’re doing unconsciously is actually a win-win situation, then the child will automatically be programmed with win-win situations and automatic behaviors after that. Is that chicken and egg or not? Participant: Yes. I was actually thinking about something else… Dr. Bruce Lipton: Well, please go ahead… Participant: I was just trying to think how trying to correct this kind of programming in one’s self kind of leads to and brings up self-sabotaging behaviors. Dr. Bruce Lipton: In trying to correct it self-sabotaging behaviors come up? Participant: Yes. Because that programming is still going on even though… Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yes, but this is where the consciousness becomes very important to observe the programming and consciously decide. This is what the beautiful part about the conscious mind is. It’s a small piece of processing compared to the unconscious mind. But it’s powerful enough to grab the wheel and take control of the vehicle if it doesn’t like the way it’s going. But then if the conscious mind loses its focus then you’re

automatically going to go back to that tape. So the issue is that there won’t be a tendency to self-sabotage as you become more self-observant and listening to your thoughts that go through your head and adjusting them. This is an active process. Like I just thought, “Oh, that wouldn’t work.” And then I say to myself that that’s not a very supportive thought because if you already negated something you were looking for before it even appears then you are actually creating a program to ensure that you wont’ get it. So there are issues where if your conscious mind is doing this, it can override the self-sabotaging character to it to the extent that you can reprogram these behaviors. And after you reprogram it to work with you, then when you’re not even paying attention the program is supportive. And these options are available. They do occur. They occur quite frequently, in fact. Participant: Just by being a little bit more focused? Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. An intention of where you want to go. Intention is the big driver. If you don’t engage the intention to make it active, then you’re living in wishes. Wishes are nice ideas, but there is no motivation behind it. Put the intention to make it happen. That’s the difference between the reality and the wish. The reality is, “This is what I want and I will make an active process to get there.” Then you can get there. Participant: I was just wondering because I’m 58 years old and I’ve been watching and searching and wanting to change my programming. And I’ve been intellectually aware of the past programming. And intellectually aware of the focusing that I need to do. I just haven’t, at this point, actually brought it about. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Yes, and that’s because you know I said that there are processes to push that record button? Otherwise, you’re talking and the tape is still playing and no one is communicating. That’s the big discouraging part because the consciousness is seemingly trying to make an effort and yet it doesn’t go anywhere. That’s because if you don’t do a process then you’re really just hoping that if you keep talking to that tape then it will decide to change. But it will never change by itself. So it takes it from an intention and desire to put it into action. And that’s exactly what happened even as I introduced my talks. I had all the knowledge, but it wasn’t in my tapes. Here’s the heartening part. It’s the most wonderful experience you could ever imagine. To put the tape into a situation that brings you the things that you really want to experience in this life. Not the things that other people programmed you to respond to. And you can manifest heaven on this planet with this process because you can create what you want. Interesting. Participant: Bruce, I’ve bought four of your books so far. I’m talking about Biology of Belief.

Dr. Bruce Lipton: I’m so glad. I hope you laughed through it. Did you laugh when you read it? Participant: Absolutely. What it has done is that it’s engaged me so much that I’m consciously unconscious of absolutely paying attention to everything you’ve ever done. I don’t even understand that statement. Did you? Dr. Bruce Lipton: Sounds like you did read the book! Participant: I’m an NLP trainer. I’m hoping to get involved in doing some training for The Healing Codes as well. Every technique that a person can have that can help with the reprogramming is so important. Dr. Bruce Lipton: It’s a toolbox. I believe you very much. The better your tools, the better the construction job. Participant: That’s it. And in NLP, we say, “If what you’re doing isn't working, try something else – anything else.” And that leads to trial and error. But I think that everyone listening into this call is so intelligent. I have a question about hypnosis. I’m also a trainer in hypnotherapy. We talk a lot about the critical factor. It’s that voice inside that says, “You can’t possibly do that.” That’s part of the programming. Do you talk about that at all? Are you entertained at all by that third element? Dr. Bruce Lipton: I don’t think it’s a third element. I think that’s the subconscious programming of limitation. And it’s unfortunate. Because these are the very kinds of things that children hear when they dream that the world is open and they can have everything. The parents are there to bring them reality saying “no.” And it’s unfortunate because the “no” is the actual limitation that prevents them from going everywhere. That is the response that comes from the subconscious mind that has been programmed with self-sabotaging or limiting beliefs. To make those statements like, “Well, I don’t think it’s going to happen.” That’s just a playback that you don’t think you’re good enough or worthy enough for things to happen. So when you think, “Oh, I would love to see this happen.” The tape will automatically come up and say, “I don’t think so.” The fact is that’s just coming from the tape and that program. And unless you change the tape, I don’t think so. That’s basically what the results are. Participant: Exactly. And the bottom line is limiting beliefs. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. And the limiting beliefs are beliefs. And whatever spiritual tradition you’re coming from, they basically all come down to the bottom line of saying that it’s your beliefs that control your life. Now at least the science is finally coming to the realization that these beliefs do interface the biology that we have and

shape it. So that we become shaped by genes to a certain degree and shaped very profoundly by the beliefs we acquire starting in utero. Participant: I have a sidebar to tell you that’s very funny. I was training in Turkey and I had two delegates in the training that were both medical doctors. I found one of your articles that had been fortuitously translated into Turkish. I’d been told that they (the doctors) were problematical because they were very, very much in the old science. They had given everyone before a hard time – the last trainers. So I presented this article of yours and gave them the homework to read it. They never gave me a moment of problems after that. Dr. Bruce Lipton: I’m glad of two things there. A, the concepts worked, and B, that the Turkish translation made sense. Because I had no idea about it. That’s fun. Thank you. Participant: Thank you. Participant: Thank you very much, Bruce. I appreciate you and I appreciate all the work you do. I’d like you to explain from your perception how you see positive thinking as being different from prayer. I’m particularly interested in affirmative prayer. I don’t know if you’re familiar with affirmative prayer that is taught by the Church of Religious Science. That’s a little bit of a different version of prayer than beseeching God to help me or something like that. So if you could speak to that, I’d really appreciate it. Dr. Bruce Lipton: I’m hoping, if I’m right about affirmative prayer – it’s really more in gratitude, right? Participant: Yes. It’s a five-step prayer system and gratitude is definitely one of those steps. It’s asking for what you want as though it has already happened. You spoke about the Bible earlier, but in the Bible, it also says, “Pray believing that you already have this.” Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. There is a very important reason for this. If I pray that I want something, then I’m in a stage of want and I’m not praying that I have it, I’m praying that I want it. And I could stay in want between now and the next millennium. So the reality is if I pray that I want this thing, if I get it, then I no longer want it. But the prayer was in “want,” not in “have.” The words are so precisely critical because we just don’t understand it. That’s why when we pray from weakness we’re really acknowledging the weakness and that’s where the problem came from. What if we weren’t weak? And yet I claim I’m weak and I’m asking God to fix weakness, it’s like I’m working on fixing. Again, “fixing” weakness is not being well. Fixing weakness is that you’re weak and you’re going to be fixing it. Being well is being well. So the words become very important. You really have to go like it’s already here and you’re thanking God for it that it’s here. And again, it’s funny, because I wasn’t raised in that tradition and one of the apostles…Paul. I’m the last guy to know this. But apparently after the crucifixion he went to the city and he had people believe that the kingdom of heaven is here and now.

So it wasn’t like, “Let’s wait for the kingdom of heaven.” He said, “Let’s have it now!” And people lived in the moment of now and actually had that experience. Well, the other people in other places were waiting for that experience. If I pray while I’m waiting for it then that means that I don’t really want it, it means that I really want the waiting. It’s like when people want to cure themselves of cancer. You can’t say, “I’m curing myself of cancer,” because that doesn’t say you’re cured. You’re always in the process of getting to the end. You’re not at the end. So the point is that a prayer must already express the end. Because if you express the desire to get to the end, you will forever experience the desire to get to the end. Participant: That’s how I feel also. How do you see the difference between what you just talked about and positive thinking? I’m looking for your definition of positive thinking. Dr. Bruce Lipton: The positive thinking is, “All I have to do is focus on this right now.” The idea is that that’s really nice, but in my positive thinking, I’m hoping that this event is going to occur without dealing with this other issue. When I put out the belief that I already have what I have, if my subconscious mind doesn’t have that image and I’m putting out that I already have what I have, the subconscious mind is going to have to adopt to the fact that this is what we have. Not, again, the path of waiting to get there. Or interfering with it. It’s a very different thing. It has an intentional difference behind it. And it’s really putting out a very positive prayer. Not a prayer from weakness. Positive thinking is somewhat likened, and now that I’m talking about it I’m having a more difficult time finding the sharp order that I’d like to find between those two. But it’s really intention that has to happen. And putting it out to the field is very important. AS much as the magnetic field shapes the iron filings, our thought-fields shape our cells. Our cells are like iron filings in a thought field. Our thoughts then manifest a physical field that becomes our biology. I wish I had a better answer and I’m really just trying to stay above water on it right now. Participant: What I got from you were the key words like “intention.” That was the key word. And I just want to make one other comment along with this mindfulness. The work of Eckhart Tolle on the Power of Now is also along that general line. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Absolutely. Be here and now. That’s the old hippy phrase. Yet, it’s really true. Because most people are thinking about some place that doesn’t’ exist, spend their life thinking about it, and then realize that their life has passed by and they never experienced it here because it’s always down the road somewhere. And it’s living the moment of now that’s all we have. All we have is the moment of now. And when you do use the conscious side of the mind and do not rely on the subconscious mind, then in the moment of now you have your hands on the wheel and you’re driving and it’s your choice. And that’s the nature of life. It’s your choice.

Don Winfield: Bruce, I’m going to step in here. You’ve been talking for two hours and forty-five minutes here and even though I want to take you up on your twelve-hour offer, I don’t think we should do it tonight. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Wow, that’s a long time. Yes. (Laughing) Don Winfield: But we do want to have you back sometime to continue this. It’s absolutely fascinating. We’ll allow one more question then we’ll have everyone come on and say goodnight. But first, Alex, sorry I interrupted you. Dr. Alex Loyd: No, that’s exactly where I was going, Don. We’re coming up to midnight on our east coast people and we need to let people get in bed. Don Winfield: We’ll take one more question and give the web address again and then say goodnight. Have wonderful holidays and again, we’ll be back here next Wednesday with recordings and we’ll have this available probably right after the first of the year as a transcript and an mp3 file. Participant: I have read that there are no stem cells in the brain. I had a stroke two and a half years ago, which affected the performance of my left leg. I can walk with a walker. But I have a strong desire to walk normally again. I was just wondering if I could hope that even The Healing Codes would help since the immune system would probably not be able to help the brain. Dr. Bruce Lipton: The answer about that is very critical. You would repair the damage. And that even if it doesn’t go up to the brain, it could change. This was a really interesting experiment. They found that when a person’s spinal cord was severed and they lost the ability to walk that by making the legs go through the motion of walking that the spinal cord learned without the brain. That it learned in the spinal cord. A person who had a severed spinal cord could walk again. And now they’ve done more experiments like this. They found that if you put the pattern in by making the movement the way you want it to move and if you continue to put the pattern in, the cells will actually learn how to make reflexes to create the pattern you want for you. So the fact is that part of it was a passive process where these people who had their spinal cords severed had their feet put into these blocks that would move them in a stride. The feedback from the movement reprogrammed the cels of the spinal cord and they were able to walk even though their spinal cord was disconnected from the brain stem. Participant: That sounds wonderful. That gives me tremendous hope. Dr. Bruce Lipton: I think that’s even on one of my references on the website under the category of “Nervous System.” I give references to my papers and there’s generally a little sentence in parenthesis that gives the subject of the paper so you can get to the topic.

Participant: I’ll have a wonderful Christmas just having heard that. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Well, I want you to know that the belief system about brain and regeneration has been changing. And when I used to teach in medical school, we taught that the brain was one thing that never regenerated and now we’re finding that is not a true statement. And it’s very important. Because if you believe you can’t regenerate then you will not regenerate. A person whose spinal cord is actually severed from the brain could walk. Don Winfield: Well, if we had to end the call that was the perfect question to end it on. I’m very glad we got to cover that one. Once again, that web address is www.brucelipton.com And we’ll have a pdf and an mp3 up a little after the first of the year. That will be available at www.thehealingcode.com/bruce or www.thehealingcod.com/lipton Dr. Alex Loyd: Thank you everyone. Thank you Bruce. Dr. Bruce Lipton: Thank you very much. Thank you everyone and thank you very much for this opportunity. I know you stayed up very late, but I hope that when you go to bed tonight you see that you are more powerful than the conventional world has led you to believe.