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The Newsletter of the Trojan Owners’ Club
www.trojanownersclub.co.uk
Issue No. 239
July 2012 - December 2012 Edition
John Wilton at the Cotswold Clouds Hill Climb
Trojan NewsletterThe Official Newsletter of the Trojan Owners’ Club
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Editorial Comment ! Sorry we’re late again. Nigel continues to be very busy in
his paid occupation and this combined with his prominent
roles for various community & voluntary groups is leaving
him little spare time for anything else.
You may wonder how difficult it is to compose and send to us articles or
a few lines for the newsletter, well nowadays even I can do it - so even if
it is just a few lines - email us at ; [email protected]
An article can simply be a word attachment. Pictures can be any normal
image format JPEG etc.. If you are not using a computer please post the
articles to us. Be careful with original valuable material which probably
should only come to us by hand please ring me on 07970 452747 (Carl) if
you have anything to come in this way.
Contributions may be submitted in the following format(s) ;
Text / Words Microsoft Word or plain text or simply in the body of an
Pictures Any common image format - JPEG, TIF, BMP , PNG, etc.
Please send these individually as attachments to your
email.
Adobe PDF Whilst we can generally work with ‘PDF’ files, the
reproduced quality is liable to be reduced as a result of
necessary conversion work.
Non Electronic Given the age of the marque, many pieces of the
information, articles and original photographs which
would be of interest to members are likely to be in a
non electronic form, in which case please arrange to
get the item(s), by hand directly to us. We would not
recommend these sorts of things are sent through the
post, especially if they are, in any sense, valuable.
Handwritten Can be accommodated with the aid of a friendly typist -
these materials can be posted to us.
Receiving your submissions in this way gives us the most flexibility over
the placement, sizing and presentation of the materials.
Newsletter Team
ROLE NAME EMAIL TELEPHONE ADDRESS
President Derrick Graham [email protected] 01737 763643 Troylands, 10 St Johns, Redhill, Surrey. RH1 6QF
Vice President Graham Hocking [email protected] 00613 9727 3797 3, Carolanne Court, Mooroolbank, Victoria 3138. Australia
Chairman Carl Tantum [email protected] 01428 714958 Fulford, Headley Fields, Headley, Nr Bordon, Hants. GU35 8PS
Secretary Chris Tordoff [email protected] 01763 852016 Grove House, 11 The Green, Steeple Morden, Herts. SG8 0NA
Treasurer/Membership Steve Potter [email protected] 01329 233615 Belvoir House, 23 Gosport Road, Fareham, Hants. PO16 0PH
Newsletter Editor Sub-committee [email protected] Editorial Group - Carl Tantum, Phil Potter & Nigel Welch
Events Secretary Committee
Spares Secretary David Vincent [email protected] 01963 365770 15 Bakers Field, Stalbridge, Dorset. DT10 2FB
Archivist Roly & Pam Finn [email protected] 01353 778725 The Horse & Gate, Witcham Toll, Ely Rd, Ely, Cambs. CB6 2AA
Development Officer Committee
Committee member Richard Franklin [email protected] 01865 865583 Farm Cottage, Oakes Lane, Farmoor, Oxon. OX2 9PB
Committee member John Wilton [email protected] 02392 613490 103 The Crossway, Portchester, Hampshire. PO16 8NP
Club Registrar Richard Potter [email protected] 02392 712363 25 Rodney Close, Rowner, Gosport, Hampshire. PO13 8EJ
Ex-Officio Trojan Trust
Museum Representative
David Hambleton [email protected] 01865 390124 www.trojanmuseumtrust.org
Club Officers & Committee (from April 1st, 2012)
TROJAN
“A CLOSER
PERSPECTIVE”Photographs with kind
permission of
Charles Hosea Photography
(www.charleshosea.co.uk)
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In this issue
Wilton’s On Tour ! Front
Editorial Comment 2
Officers & Committee 2
VSCC Silverstone Race Meeting 3
Chairman’s Jottings 4
Musing On A Trojan Theme 5/6
TOC/DVCC Ringmore Rally 7
Bakers, Odd, Broken & a Fire Extinguisher 8
AGM Awards & Gallery 8/9
Trojan Museum Trust Update 10
Hajji Baba (the story behind the Trojan Expedition) 10/11
David Hancock - NP 6016 12
Roger Armstrong - A bit more Trojan 13
A Trojan on a Soap Box ? 13
Eric Millson & Steve Potter’s Surgery 14
Cambridge Rally (Nick Sloan) 15
Cambridge Rally (Bob Adams) 16
The Derby Daily Telegraph 17
Trojan Trials Richard Franklin 17
Mark Tucker’s Dad’s RE 18
Fraser Sloan’s Outings, Club Ban & Headley Social 19
Dave Vincent - For Sale (Brook Bond Tea Van) 20
David Hancock - For Sale (1925 Utility) 21
Back Page 22
Federation of British Historic
Vehicle Clubs
(TOC is a member of this
organisation)
The FBHVC exists to uphold the
freedom to use old vehicles on the road. It does this
by representing the interests of owners of such
vehicles to politicians, government officials, and
legislators both in UK and (through membership of
Fédération Internationale des Véhicules Anciens) in
Europe.
FBHVC is a company limited by guarantee, registered
number 3842316, and was founded in 1988.
There are nearly 500 subscriber organisations
representing a total membership of over 250,000 in
addition to individual and trade supporters. Details
can be found at www.fbhvc.co.uk or sent on
application to the secretary.
Secretary, FBHVC
Stonewold, Berrick Salome
VSCC Silverstone Race MeetingThe 'Oily Rag'
Trojan of Frazer was
the star of the show
at the VSCC
Silverstone race
meeting on April
21st, with Frazer
demonstrating the
unconventional
workings to wave
upon wave of
interested
onlookers,
especially when
parked in the
paddock/pits area for
a tyre inner tube
change by Longstone
tyres. The board
under the front seat
was being constantly
removed, and the
engine started, to
show fascinated
spectators how it all
worked.
It was surpising how
many VSCC people, experienced in the designs of 'conventional' cars, were
totally ignorant of how a Trojan functioned.
The Ford 'A' Tudor saloon, also belonging to Frazer, in which I was travelling
attracted no interest whatsoever, but was a comfortable, warm, and pleasant
mode of vintage transport.
Nick Sloan
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As I start writing this in early July I think everyone could be forgiven
for not using their Trojans to the fullest extent. As I look out of the
window it is raining again and we still have a hosepipe ban here!
In April I took the Achilles to Brooklands a good day out for the car
and of course in good company. On the 24.04 there was the MOT
probably for the last time I expect and it passed fine with the
recommendation of a new tyre on the driving wheel. About that
time there was the soap-box Derby in Bordon. It is an unlikely event
to draw crowds but there were thousands there. The main road was
shut and the soap-box’s marvels of engineering hurtled down the
course. Thrilling !
A guy who lives in the village and works for Maclaren Engineering in
Midhurst built a precision soap-box and came third. There were 30
or so Harley-Davidson bikes and the Achilles led the procession as a
warm-up twice and there was a good photo which I hope to
produce in the magazine. The Apollo has been out less often and
this was due to the need to put a petrol cut-off switch in line which
has now been done. So off I went to the Alton Agricultural Show on
01.07 and I was completely upstaged by a beautiful 1912 Napier
which appeared to have disc brakes ! It rained of course. Then a trip
to St. Edmunds Prep School with my grandson Jack for his speech
day and did it rain. So it has been wrung out and put away to dry
off!
I was sorry not to be able to get to the Devon Rally and I would like
to thank Chris Piercy for his organisation of this event. I believe Roly
or Chris Tordoff will do a write-up. Congratulations to Frazer Sloan
in acquiring Peter Redman’s car it will be well looked after. Barry
Overington’s pick-up truck has I understand been sold and details of
the new owner are awaited. In Classic Car Buyer in August there is
an ‘agricultural’ personnel carrier Trojan for sale with a Perkins
engine at a reasonable price. On Ebay Trojan Heads and a Trojan
‘Hudson’ @ £750 !! Wow ! Classic Car buyer has a BMW Isetta @
£27k ! Amazing ! Our website has been updated and the new
Register is available to Members to peruse. Your Committee has
met at Steve Potter’s house and Rallies for next year sorted. That
will be the Centenary year so plenty of warning to get your post and
pre-war vehicles ready !! The first event will be at Headley the
winter social in January 2013.
If you look at Classic Car Buyer (15.08) you will see that sensible
relaxation for older cars in the UK is to be followed by swinging EU
regulations for, standard ‘vehicles up to 30 years old on a rolling
basis. Then those who have lent our cars for weddings may be hit
by a £2000 licence and an inspection scheme which is described as
‘rigorous’ every 6 months – what a nightmare !
I am very pleased to report that David Vincent has taken over
responsibility for the Trojan Apollo Saloon. I know that it is in good
hands and in trust for the next generation ! No pressure David !
Photo of the handover ! Thanks to John Wilton in particular for
keeping the Apollo in such good mechanical condition over the last
10 years. Lovely pictures from David Hancock who Roly and Pam
Finn are helping. Grateful thanks to Maurice Luscott-Evans who has
donated some spares and Steve Potter has kindly collected them. If
you need a Trojan head Mascot then let David Vincent know please.
You will see on the back page two Trojans for sale, David Vincent’s
excellent Brooke Bond Tea Van which he has had for many years, be
quick if you are interested. Then the lovely Trojan owned by our
very active Members Bob Adams. A lovely vehicle and you will be
lucky if you acquire this one.
Leo Pratt has suggested we should ensure that our presence is
noted in the Commercial Classic periodicals and accordingly we
have taken up the offer of free space in Classic and Vintage
Commercials. This may bring in a few more Members and if you are
aware of owners who are not Members of the Club please do your
best to draw them in joining us. It is hoped that Eric Millson in
Zimbawde will shortly join us (**)and if you see HVH 710 about
convince the new owner to come on board. The vehicle was owned
by Leo.
Photo for you elsewhere David Smith is joining he has 478UXD this
an ex. Peter and Vivien Macintyre vehicle and it is important to note
that Viv used to work for Leslie Hounsfield ! David you are very
welcome.
Also a very warm welcome to Mark Lucas who lives in Warminster
and has a 1959 Trobike reg. no 3677ML (I think !). Mrs. Flo Payne
has written in a very nice letter and says she is alive and kicking at
age 93 – very nice to hear from you Flo. Colin Borg has resigned
much to our regret mainly due to the fact that advancing years
preclude him owning now a Trojan.
Graham Taylor has a two stroke 1950’s Trojan two-stroke engine for
sale although it may have gone by now – if interested kindly advise.
By the time you receive this Edition the Cambridge Rally will have
taken place and thanks Chris Tordoff for ably organising it.
Plans are well advanced for the Trojan Centenary year 2013 and
Rallies will celebrate this important anniversary. Members have
you seen the updated Registrar’s efforts on the website – it is a
difficult job tracking all these vehicles and if you hear of any
movements please email Richard Potter.
Nigel Boothman who is a contributor to Practical Classics has met
up with Fraser Sloan at Prescott recently and it is hoped an article
will ensue. Ralph Spring has a hub puller which anyone can borrow.
He has MK 2136 and some other more exotic machinery with four
wheels !
The Trojan motorised cycle engine KNM 45 is currently in the
stores. The engine has compression and is complete and Roly Finn
has offered to use his expertise gained in the Trojan factory to get it
running – there is an offer you cannot refuse – let David Vincent
know please.
Elsewhere is a Fire extinguisher bought at Dorchester Market for
£5.00 – can you identify it ? David Vincent reports that Henstridge
Airfield where our Club spares are situated still attracts the unusual
the latest being a decommissioned Lighting jet. Vincent engineering
have been instructed to mount it on a plinth so that it can grace the
entrance to a business park at Dinton near Salisbury. This is a job in
between rebuilding a 1900 iron wheeled Thorneycroft steam wagon
and the complete rebuilding of a Somerset and Dorset tank engine !
Don’t forget that we have ‘Trojan Owners Club’ baseball caps @
£6.72 remarkable value as they are deep and good quality. Also
Sweatshirts embossed suitably for £10.53, let us know size i.e. small
medium or large and email me @ [email protected] – thanks.
Regards to everyone – Carl (now September !)
** Just heard his car may be for sale – let me know if interested in
that rare find.
Chairman’s Jottings
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For some reason I have always had an affection for the Trojan, in both its ingenious pre-war two-stroke form and post-war Perkins
diesel-engined variants. I have to admitto never having owned a Trojan, and only became involved directly with it in its post-war 1-
ton cv form, as a bodybuilder and designer with the Godalming, Surrey-based company King & Taylor Ltd., between 1954 and 1959.
There was, however, an earlier indirect family connection with the pre-war two-stroke delivery vans, in that the house where my
Grandmother lived (Birtley, near Haslemere in Surrey) had a 100-odd yard long frontage with, open-work iron fence, onto the 'main'
road. I should say that it was actually her dog 'Nell' that had the Trojan connection, for apparently she could identify the distinctive
engine note of the local Trojan 2-stroke delivery van coming from some distance up the road. She then positioned herself at one end
of the fence, in ambush, and as soon as the luckless van came into view, she would chase it along the length of the fence (not that she
would have had to run that fast to keep up with the van), barking for the full 100 yards. Having satisfied herself that she had dealt
appropriately with the now cowed wheeled beast, Nell could then wait until later in the day, when the van returned from the other
direction, when the barking marathon could be repeated all
over again. The dog loved it apparently, while providing
wholesome entertainment for the whole family as well, in
those pre-TV (and radio) times. Apparently dogs had a
natural antipathy to the poor old Trojan's engine beat and
smell.
Another indirect association with 2-stroke Trojans was made
much later on, via my friend Mr Nick Sloan, the well-
respected Commercial Vehicle Engineer (latterly
Bodybuilder Liaison Manager with Leyland-Daf Trucks, who
some years before had transferred his motoring allegiance
from Scott 2-stroke water-cooled motorcycles to Trojan 2-
strokes. I don't know what models or ages the Trojans
were, but he told me that in the end he stopped using them
on the open road as they were dangerously slow in modern
traffic conditions.
More recently, I had a most interesting conversation with
noted Trojan owner Mr Carl Tantum (at the Alton
Agricultural and Classic Car Show) - a most charming man
with a great sense of humour, of whom I had known of for
many years but not actually met before. He had driven his,
ex-Olympia Motor Show, magnificently-patinated brown
fabric panelled 6-light saloon, complete with opening roof.
"I have another one of these at home" he explained, with
what could just have been a twinkle in his eye "but it's not
as pretty as this one!" Unfortunately, Carl left the show
ground before me, so I didn't get to hear his Trojan's
distinctive engine note - also I had forgotten to bring my
camera - but hopefully another time, perhaps?
Back to the post-war 1 ton commercials; I was an
apprenticed to bodybuilders King & Taylor Ltd, and having
spent some time 'on the tools', I moved to the Drawing Office,
designing all sorts of mostly one-off commercial vehicle, coach and
car bodywork, on a wide range of chassis makes. At that time, King &
Taylor held agencies for Trojan, Bedford, Austin and Morris
Commercial. The company was among the first installers of the
Perkins P3 diesel engine conversion in the 15cwt Trojan - the first
apparently being bolted in rigidly, with the resulting vibration form
the lumpy 3-cylinder diesel being quite noticeable!
Although having a sturdy design and construction, the Trojan was not
a beautifully finished vehicle. The ones we built on were usually
delivered in basic chassis/front wings format, with the wings finished
in a mixture of primer paint and coarse-grained sand - quite a
challenge for our poor old paint shop staff. The Trojan was available
with a range of ex-works bodies, mostly based on composite-built van
bodies (some with hardboard exterior panels!) and later all-steel.
MUSINGS ON A TROJAN THEMEBy Alan Young
Tel. 01962-760427 Email : [email protected] Web : www.conestogaspv.co.uk
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I don't remember how many Trojans were bodied in my time at King & Taylor,
but recall milk float bodies for the local dairy (F Raymond Stovolds' Eashing
Farm Dairy), and a light articulated pantechnicon box van on a Taskers semi-
trailer chassis (I still have the bodydrawings for this one). It was exhibited at
the Earls Court Commercial Vehicle Exhibition, and later road-tested by
'Modern Transport' magazine. Paint finish, from memory, was in two shades
of blue, with a white waistband. We also made design proposals for rather
exotic open-topped mini-coaches (for the Channel Islands perhaps?).
By the time I left King & Taylor, Trojan had come up with the 'Senior' range,
with its Tapir-nosed moulded-grp bonnet, and the even-uglier forward-control
range. At that time, King & Taylor was involved with all types of car, bus and
cv bodywork, ranging from a very modern coach body design on the Bedford
'SB' chassis for Ben Stanley Coaches, ambulances, hearses and station wagons
- one for a rather
eccentric character
named Laffan, with a
host of children, on an
Austin A70 Hereford
chassis, and another
(my pride and joy at the
time) based on a
Humber Super Snipe
saloon car. This was
fitted out with extra
folding rear seats,
internal gun racks and
an aerodynamically shaped integrated roof rack.
The company had a very skilled workforce (bodybuilders, blacksmiths, panel
beaters, painters & probably the best sign-writer in the business). The MD had
previously worked for the Austin Motor Company and Brush Coach-builders,
and was a talented designer with several IBCAM design awards to his name.
Sadly, he was not the best-loved of bosses, and was known by some as 'Billy the
Pig'. He helped me, however, and gave me a number of "Austin" french curves
which I still have, and encouraged me in turn to enter and win a number of the
prestigious IBCAM design competitions.
My last 'Trojan' connection came in 2005, when I designed and my company
built a Classic Race Car Transporter for Charlie Agg (son of the late Peter Agg).
This is still in top-class condition and is now owned by a Jaguar Classic Race Car
company in Essex, for whom we have just built a 14m long Race Car articulated
trailer (my
company,
Conestoga,
started
thirty years
ago,
specialises
in Race
Team and all types of special-purpose custom-built vehicles).
Nothing to do with Trojan, but in the best 'QI' category
nevertheless, at King & Taylor we built a special 'Santa Fe'
locomotive body for the pioneer aviator Charles Lane's narrow-
gauge railway in the garden of his Royal Anchor Hotel in Liphook.
Mr Lane was a friend of Walt Disney, who used to visit him when
in England.
I hope the above may be of some initial interest, and look forward to hearing back from you. I also have many photos of these
vehicles. Alan Young, Conestoga Special Purpose Vehicles.
MUSINGS ON A TROJAN THEME (continued)
By Alan YoungTel. 01962-760427 Email : [email protected] Web : www.conestogaspv.co.uk
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TOC/DVCC Ringmore Rally 1st July 2012 (Roly Finn & Chris Piercy)
We set off for Devon at 8am on Saturday 30th June. The weather was fine but very cloudy and we were certainly not
optimistic about the prospects as we were apparently heading towards the wet weather. However, apart from a few
very short spells of fairly heavy rain we were
lucky on the journey down, during our time in
Devon and on the way home again. The
moral of that is that you should not believe
all you hear on the weather forecast!
We arrived after a fairly trouble free journey
at Chris Piercy's house from which we had
glorious views over the country to the sea.
There were eight of us to enjoy the lovely tea
and the view in the sunshine. After tea we
spent some time either admiring Chris'
Trojan, walking in the beautiful countryside
or making some last minute preparations.
In the evening we had a meal booked at a
local pub and eight of us met and spent an
enjoyable evening there. We were luckier
than most as we had already booked a bed at
the same place!
Next morning we all met at Barnford Paddock (kindly made available by owners Adrian and Judy Bull) and admired the
range of cars which had assembled and swapped experiences and advice. There was only one Trojan belonging to
Chris Piercy. Nigel Fulton, its previous owner was there to see it. The Trojan Owners Club was joined by the Devon
Vintage Car Club which gave us a wide variety of cars to
look at. These included an Austin 7, Big 7, Austin 8 and
an Austin Mini. There was also a Morris Minor, a Morris
8, a Liege - a home built car based on Reliant parts- a
BSA 3-wheeler, an NGTF kit car, a Gilbern GT classic
sports car, and Austin Healey Sprite, a pre-war Standard
10 and an MG TD. There were also 6 modern vehicles.
We set off last, a position we did not improve on!
However we enjoyed the course which had been plotted
by Mike Oakins and Christopher Piercy. There were
short, clear instructions followed by a question related
to what you should have been able to see with a space
for the sharp eyed to fill in the answer.. There were also
some notes about anything of particular interest that
could be seen on the way. We seemed to be doing quite
well and my driver decided that he would take the more
difficult route, and as it proved, a precipitous narrow
roadway labelled "Mikes Special" It was, in fact, a
lovely route with the trees meeting overhead and a
muddy pathway underwheels!
We went happily along, answering many of the
questions as we went. I was a little concerned when we began to recognise the scenery as some that we had seen
much earlier in the trip! However, we eventually made it, a good last, to the California Inn. We were delighted to
discover there was still some food left and that another Trojan ex- apprentice, Bryan Hiscock and his wife had arrived
and very kindly waited for us. We enjoyed our lunch and saw the prizes given out with the top marks scored by Chris
Tordoff and his partner Pippa. A good day was had by all and thanks to Chris Piercy for organising it.
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Hewines Bakers Van & Employees, picture courtesy of David Boyd
Odd
A lady just collected her stereo after repairs here, she
just got back from Derbyshire from a motoring event
where she rode a motorcycle & sidecar combination.
She knows Steve Potter who is mending my engine who
was also at the weekend event as a marshall. She lives
just outside Oxford and her car is registered YL as is my
defunct Trojan.
Her name is Celia Walton. Odd coincidences abound
with the Trojan.
Richard Franklin
What year is it and who manufactured it ?
Emails to [email protected]
Broken Trojan (16 October 2012) HELP !
My Trojan engine has broken probably beyond repair. Steve
seems at a loss as to how to fix it.
Does anyone have an engine which could be repaired or used
at all? If they could call me 01993 868242 or e-mail
[email protected] any help would be most appreciated.
Richard Franklin
2012 Awards & Gallery Photographs - All thanks to Charles Hosea Photography
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2012 Awards & Gallery Photographs - All thanks to Charles Hosea Photography
Well done
Charles..
Superb
imagery as
usual !
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Trojan Museum Trust UpdateI just thought that I would jot down a few lines about the latest progress with the Trust. A few weeks ago I was contacted by the Agg
family and asked to come down to Surrey as they had various items for the Trust. On my arrival I realised just how much they had,
after much careful packing and a lot of help from Joe, who worked for Peter, it just fitted into my very large estate car. It wasn't until I
got it home and started to sort and catalogue it that I realised just what a unique collection it was. Firstly there was a Trojan Trobike, a
Trokart, Mini-Motor on a bike and a stand mounted Mini-Motor, also was included the fibre glass prototype body for the Trokart that
effectively makes it into a little racing car. Peter once told me that this body work was shown to the vehicle tax man who said the
Trokart was now a car and would be taxed accordingly, not surprisingly the bodies were never made. There was a large amount of
Trojan ephemera including Trojan badges, a Trojan head, company stamps etc. But the most valuable items to the Trust was the paper
work, this amounted to around 20 large boxes worth and included the Trojan Minute books going back to 1914, hundreds of company
documents including minutes to meetings from the time of the take over of Trojan and from the taking on of the Trojan bubblecar.
Hundreds of brochures and photo's, many brochures for Trojan products which were completely new to me. This has added greatly to
the Trust's archive and has given us a real incite into how Trojan ran as a company over the years. Peter Agg was very meticulous at
keeping records and I was surprised to find that he had even kept every letter from myself with his reply carefully filed. A wonderful
archive and I can't thank Peggy and Charlie Agg enough for this great donation, it will help preserve Peter's memory long into the
future. It has also given us many leads which hopefully will help us track down unknown surviving Trojan machines. This archive has
now been completely catalogued and added to the Trust's archive inventory which is available on our website or by post if preferred.
David Hambleton
Hajji Baba or The Story Behind The Trojan Expedition Wagon That was
Left by Strange Explorers at Derrick's House by David Hambleton
You will all have read Derrick's article in the last newsletter which talked about the Trojan Diesel Expedition Wagon that
now belongs to The Trojan Museum Trust. He said how two chaps appeared at his door and left the van with him on the
understanding that if they didn't come back then he was to keep the van, as they were off to Africa. Well this prompted a
bit of research by myself. This particular van was blessed with coming with it's buff log book which listed all of the
previous owners and slightly mysteriously the three owners, who appeared prior to it belonging to Ted Wright who had
the van from Derrick, all had the same address. This address was a farm in Wales and as farms usually stay in the family I
decided to write to them. Very soon after this I received an email from a professor in Canada, who said she had had my
details forwarded to her by her sister and that she was one of the three people listed as owner, and the others were her
now ex husband and her mother. She then informed me that the van was called Hajji Baba and the following is his story in
Marilyn Porter's own words.We - my ex husband (Neil/John Porter) and I bought him in about 1962 to do an extended trip
during our summer vacation. I can't
remember where we got him but we
drove him back to my parents farm in
North Wales to re-fit him for travel in
the middle east. There were 6 of us -
Neil and I, Dick and Min, Joanna
Herbert Stepney and Don.
We had loads of crusty post WW2
camping gear and tended to get put
at the back of camp sites through
Europe. I remember Istanbul clearly
because there was one bridge where
8 lines of traffic had to condense into
one, so there was a kind of drag race
each time the lights changed. Hajji
Baba did rather well because while his
acceleration was zero, he belched such clouds of black smoke that the other vehicles just gave up. On through Turkey and
by this time we realised Hajji had a key weakness. He had half spring suspension and the bearings kept going. We
struggled through the mountains of Turkey but by the time we got to a community a few miles from Mosul we were
stuck. However, we were in a Kurdish community with a feudal lord who took us in and sent a minion to Mosul to MAKE a
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Hajji Baba or The Story Behind The Trojan Expedition Wagon That was Left by Strange
Explorers at Derrick's House by David Hambleton (continued)
copy of the defunct inner bearing in plastic. meanwhile we settled down in the front room on gold thread pillows - very
uncomfortable. The 3 women got to visit with his family, who included 4 wives and many children. Meanwhile the men
got to smoke with the laird and a
brother who spoke some English. It
turned out that we were treated
with particular respect because the
3 men were obviously young, the 3
women were obviously 'high class
wives' and they must be
astonishingly rich to have acquired
such good wives so young. (none of
us were married at the time!), and
he wanted to know where such
classy wives could be got - he
figured around 5000 pounds (a
good figure in the early 1960s!).
At that point we knew Hajji Baba
couldn't make it over the mountains
into Iran, so we changed plans and
took in Bagdad and then across the
desert to Syria. It was on Iraq/
Jordanian desert that we got held
up in a quarantine camp. The
Jordanians were nervous of cholera
coming in and kept 2000 people in
quarantine for 4 or5 days. We didn't
mind, although it was extremely hot
- up in the 40s.
And then on via Lebanon, Syria etc
and finally back home.
We also took him to Germany and
Eastern Europe - Romania etc
And to Norway, which was a
challenge because of the steep
roads out of fiords.
Well I thought this was all but Marilyn soon sent me a pile of photo's from the trip including the ones in this article and
then she said that in the summer she would be visiting her daughter in Oxford and could she come to visit Hajji Baba. So
after warnings that Hajji Baba wasn't quite the van he used to be she came to be reunited with her van just a few weeks
ago. She told me when she visited that she believed it was her ex husband and a local friend who dropped of Hajji Baba at
Derrick's and that they all then went out to Africa where they stayed for over a year.
This is what I would love to do for all the Trojans that the Trust owns, as when they finally go on display I would intend to
put the individual vehicles personal history on display with the vehicle. In most museums this only tends to get done for
'famous' vehicles but I feel it's important for every vehicle and it helps the general public to engage with a particular
vehicle. Amongst many we already have an Ambulance that is called Nelly because it is large, grey and once went over the
Alps, and a Trojan Elva that had to be laid up because it's lady owner became too well known by the Cambridgeshire
Police for driving a tad too fast! Every Trojan has a unique history that ought to be preserved.
David Hambleton
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Trojan Owners Club
Newsletter
July 2012 - December 2012 Edition Issue No. 239
From: David Hancock
To : Carl Tantum
Sent: 28 August 2012 12:09
Subject: NP6016 - current state
Hello Carl.
Here are some photos, which have been taken to-day. Mudguards, hood, etc. are all stored in loft at present. I found this car
stored at the back of a barn outside
Bromyard in Herefordshire, in 1958, I think,
and persuaded our local gypsy to come with
me with his lorry to fetch it back to where we
then lived near Worcester. The farmer told
me that its sole use had been to take his
butter into Bromyard on a regular basis until
1933 - when it went into 'mothball'. When I
came across it there was some 10 tons of
basic slag fertiliser, in paper bags, in front
that had since set hard. No doubt it had been
put there, at around the time the car was
pensioned off. So we had to move a good
deal of this before we could get the car out.
Shortly after getting it to the family home
where we were fortunate to have plenty of
out-buildings to accommodate my growing
collection of motors - to my father's mild
disapproval - I made contact with the T.O.C.
and it was not long before Scroggie came
over for a week-end. He immediately
threw himself into removing and
disassembling the engine. Once satisfied
that no major repair was needed, he
reassembled it and restored it to the car.
My role, as I recall, was limited to being
go-for-boy and making various gaskets to
order. I seem to remember that the whole
operation took little more than a day! He
was more than an a very knowledgeable
enthusiast for the marque, and a complete
one-off.
Since our conversation I took your
suggestion and contacted Roly Finn who
tells me that he is also looking into the
matter of spark plugs best-suited for our
cars. I think he said that it was Steve
Potter who had previously recommended
a plug but that he had since mislaid his note of this. In the meantime I will try and catch Bob Adams to see whether he has a
favourite.
Roly wants to come over here, and I have told him that I will then give him one or two extracts on Trojans from past periodicals.
Many thanks for your help. I hope the attached - albeit not very inspiring - maybe useful, and if there is anything else that you
want don't hesitate to ask.
With best wishes,
David.
This vehicle is for Sale - See page 21
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Newsletter
July 2012 - December 2012 Edition Issue No. 239
From: Roger Armstrong
To: Carl Tantum
Sent: 16 August 2012 02:05
Subject: Re: Trojan Owners Club - Newsletter
I am attaching some Trojan pictures that might be of interest for
the newsletter. The Achilles picture looks to date from the 1950s
and I found it at an Auto Jumble a year or two back. The car still
exists and is on the register at the end of Can You Afford To
Walk. In the 1950s picture it looks as if it has a plated radiator,
which is odd. I would be interested to find out more about this
picture. The picture of the van KVB 11 was taken in the 1980s in
a yard in
Wandsworth. The
registration dates to
November 1952. The vehicle was in a poor state and had been
decaying there for years. It disappeared soon after I took the
picture. Did it survive I wonder? The 2 pictures of PU 1392 were
taken at the Sharp Sale viewing. I look forward to seeing this very
early car back on the road. I was unable to attend the actual sale,
but wish now that I had bought the Carrow car that was also offered
in the sale and which sold for a very affordable sum.
TROJAN LEADS BY EXAMPLE AT THE WHITEHILL BORDON
SOAP BOX DERBY on 4th June 2012
Albeit somewhat tongue in cheek there are all sorts of
anecdotes that could be applied to the photograph left ….
1. Behind Carl is a Police Car, lights blazing & two tones
blasting out that dreaded noise - question is could Carl see
the coppers or hear them ?
or/and
2. Bearing in mind this was an event for gravity powered
homemade vehicles - had the Trojan been a competitor
would it, under power, have come first ? - The record speed
on the hill for a Soap Box is nearly 38 mph.
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From: Eric and Lisa Millson [mailto:[email protected]]
Subject: RE: trojan
Sent: 17 May 2012 08:06
Hi Carl,
Another nice vehicle! I do see a couple of obvious differences.
Yours has different tyres, with air? Mine has to old tread style.
Was this an aftermarket change on yours? The side panels at the
front are different also, Mine has veins and yours is solid. Both
original style or restoration changes? My windshield does not
collapse either. Different years? I'm sure to have many more
questions as I don't really know much about these things :)
Cheers,
Eric
From: [email protected]
Subject: RE: trojan
Date: Thu, 17 May 2012 08:36:09 +0100
Will try and sort this and come back to you what about the engine
?
All I know is 1924 had a folding windscreen !
Regards carl
From: Eric and Lisa Millson [mailto:[email protected]]
Subject: RE: trojan
Sent: 17 May 2012 09:32
I'm told the engine worked fine up until the previous owner
passed away some 12 years ago. Everything looks to be in very
good condition still. I haven't tried to do anything with it yet as I
need to drain what fuel remains in the tank, etc. Most
importantly, I need instructions on what to do! What fluids need
to be replaced and the like before turning over. The previous
owner really did a nice job with the restoration and I'm glad his
family at least kept it under a cover over the years. I have a lead
(e-mail address) on a family member who may be able to give
some history on the vehicle. I'm told it was originally a milk
delivery vehicle in Victoria Falls and I would like to verify this.
Cheers,
Eric
From: steve potter [mailto:[email protected]]
To: [email protected]; Carl Tantum
Subject: Trojans
Sent: 08 August 2012 20:45
Hi Eric,
Carl has passed on to me your email for my comments and I am
pleased to respond as follows.
1924 cars onwards left the factory on solid tyres. It was
commonplace to fit later axles and pneumatic tyres - 450 x 19.
The 1924 car had no louvres in the bonnet side or the access
panel. By 1925 this had changed to improve cooling. All early
cars up until 1924 had a one-piece windscreen that folded flat.
1925 cars had a two-piece screen, the top section flaps open.
The petrol tank needs to be clean of rust or gummy residue.
Likewise the carb would benefit from careful cleaning - check
the needle valve in the float chamber works and the one
connected to the air lever and is not rusted away (important to
be able to shut off the fuel to the engine).
Always a worry after a period of lay-up is the internal condition
of the engine. Thoroughly clean the oil wells and the springs
within. They catch all of the rubbish sucked in by the engine.
Wash the crankcase with paraffin to clean it as much as possible.
The main bearings are fed with oil from these chambers.
Reinstate the plugs with their springs and put one eggcup full of
oil (30 or 40 grade) in each side of the crankcase, 2 x 1/8th bsp
plugs on top of the crankcase. Do not attempt to start the
engine without oiling the crankcase.
The gearboxes are not quite so important. For the epicyclic box,
inject with oil through the 1/8th plug in the side, the level is 90
degrees to upright. Engine oil or gear oil will do, not hypoid. The
reduction gearbox, inject half a pint or so into it through the
plug in the top. It doesn't matter if you overfill it slightly - it will
just run out over the floor.
The ignition system is an important area. Make sure the
condenser is OK. I would fit a new one. Check the points and set
about .0015. Measure the distance between the points opening
and closing using the ammeter as an indicator. Mark the
flywheel at the open and closed position. The measurement
should be roughly 5 inches each side. If it is vastly different it
indicates that the cam on the distributor staff is worn and will
need replacing but will probably be OK for the purpose of the
start up.
Don't be tempted to move away from the Trojan distributor and
points. Modifications don't work satisfactorily. A good spark is
essential and ideally should jump ¼ inch.
You do not say of you have a Black Book - an instruction manual
for the car. Always very helpful - but sometimes a little difficult
to understand. If you need one I can probably help.
If you need any further advice, please feel free to contact me.
As a Trojan enthusiast, perhaps you would like to join the Trojan
Owners Club. If you visit the Club website the membership form
is on there. Subscriptions can be paid in a number of ways which
we advise you of. We have about 75 members, several of whom
are spread across the world.
Regards
Steve Potter (Treasurer and Membership Registrar - TOC)
Editors - Be good to see some
photographs at some point !
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Fig
80
Dear Chris.
Just a note to thank you for all your work which resulted in such a well organised
and enjoyable rally yesterday.
My wife Ann, Frazer and myself really enjoyed the whole event, starting with the
welcome on the lawn of your beautiful house, garden,(and garage); please thank
your wife for being such an excellent hostess; I really liked the chocolate covered
biscuits. We were very envious of someone having such green fingers, compared
with mine which tend to the brown;
the garden was a picture.
The Pub lunch was of a very high
standard, and the service fine after
you had divided up the pork and
beef eaters so efficiently Chris.
When we first entered I thought
with just one young lady covering
two bars and taking all the food
orders, that she might be
overwhelmed, but she coped
admirably, and set us up well for the
afternoon road run; the Real Ale was
very well kept, and I drank too much.
As you know we had intended to cover only
part of the run, so that we could speed back
home to our cat Fiona, who doesn't like to be
left alone, but we were enjoying it so much,
especially after the evening sun came out,
that we just had to carry on through the
delightful countryside you had chosen, and I
do enjoy the occasional ford.
Apart from a wheel coming loose on Frazer's
Three-Door Tourer, and then failing to start
after he had stopped the engine for a passing
horse and trap, the run was all enjoyment;
nothing like wafting along in a Trojan, with
the familiar noises and smells, and the
wonder springs really do work well, and iron
out all but the worst bumps.
The route was really Trojan friendly, and not
once in the forty odd miles did we land up
with a convoy of irate drivers behind us, so
well done indeed.
My knowledge of Morgans, M.G. Midgets,
and early Chevrolets was increased which is
no bad thing; variety etc.
I look forward to seeing your Three-Door
emerge before too long; the standard of
workmanship was really impressive.
So, thanks again, it was much appreciated.
Fiona has forgiven us, after we explained the
reason for our lateness home.
Very Sincerely Nick Sloan
Cambridge Rally (16-09-2012)
By Nick Sloan
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July 2012 - December 2012 Edition Issue No. 239
Cambridge Rally (16-09-2012)
By Bob Adams
Chris and Pippa Tordoff’s Cambridge Rally 2012
John Amor kept to his ambition of never trailing his Trojan (ES7829) to a rally. With deteriorating eyesight, his son, Robin, drove him
to the rally and was the only Trojan to do so. Next to him in the line-up was Frazer-Sloan bringing his parents in his 3-door (YF-9820),
the 1927 Major Beale-Browne’s original which still had the Major’s original exhaust system and, in Frazer’s words, what's left of the
original paint. John Wilton’s green RU1977 can be identified in the line-up as the earliest model with the single windscreen compared
with the split screens of the other three. I heard him saying he had done 30,000 miles in it so far. He also told me that his hood folds
down so neatly compared with the other three cars because after that build-date the Trojan “Utility” was made more utilitarian with a
cheaper design of folding hood as on my blue BT8799 at the end of the line. John Hutchins arrived in state in the back of a grand
classic Chevrolet. We were pleased to see members Bob & Julia Cooper, Celia &
Steve Potter and Richard Potter (accompanying John Wilton). A couple of other
MG’s and a Riley and the Chevvy joined us for the Rally drive. We know that Chris
is meticulous in his work as Club secretary and this was apparent too in his
preparation for the drive around his Cambridgeshire rally route. Every turn was
defined and some cunning questions devised. One more clue was solved by Steve
& Celia than by John Wilton, but Steve graciously declined the winners
champagne as John & Richard drove the course in a Trojan.
Of course, we were interested to see what was hidden inside Chris’s workshop
with the intriguing notice outside. Yes there was a beaut MG and just the front
half of his immaculate Trojan in sparkling white. The engine was inspected and we
hope that it will soon be installed so Chris and Pippa will drive this Trojan through Steeple Morden, Guilden Morden and into rural
Cambridgeshire as we did. Grateful thanks to them both for letting us see their delightful house and garden and entertaining us so
well. Submitted by Anne & Bob Adams
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July 2012 - December 2012 Edition Issue No. 239
Convoluted Story
The above extract
from the Derby
Daily Telegraph
(30th March, 1928)
came to me from
Lynn Stratton (a
local historian in
Liphook), whom I’d
contacted with the
photograph of the
Royal Anchor’s
private small gauge
railway sent in to us
by Alan Young and
featured on page 6
of this edition.
Nigel
Trojan Trials - Richard Franklin
Here is David trying to lift the engine out of a Trojan, with any luck Steve can
repair it. The problem is water intrusion to the cylinders on the left hand side.
The poor Trojan had to remain outside in the rain until last night when we
winched it in, very very slowly, 6 inches at a time. This was at David’s
insistence, but we managed to get it into the garage eventually. As the rear
wheels could not turn with the engine out we put the trolley jack under the axle
and as David winched the thing a few inches up the slope I steadied the jack,
then replaced the chocks as the winch was made ready for the next 6 inches of
its slow journey. Actually time passes quite quickly when you have such fun.
Thinking about the "Trojan Legacy" as it was discussed at the last committee
meeting which I missed. Unless we can get the cars to start up when we want,
the legacy will be a few dozen rotting and abandoned hulks left in sheds and
garages, or outside in the elements. It seems impossible at present to rely on
one actually getting the engine to start when required and some people have
even asked me if I had any ideas - which of itself is very worrying !
The problem is this, why would anyone want to own a Trojan? They were
known from the outset as a car that was difficult to start. Van drivers would
leave them running all day after getting them going, and those vans had electric
starters. It seems that Trojan Limited discussed this at board level many times
over the years.
Converting to 12 volts is not a solution, my car had only 3.6 volts at the coil and
would start easily from cold like that. Improving the contacts and wiring gives
5.8 volt measurable at the primary with no noticeable difference. Starving the
engine by putting the mixture to "full air" helps although it cannot be relied
upon.
We can only hope that someone will find a solution to the problem. Perhaps we could offer a prize? I would suggest a decent amount
of money should be offered so that its would be seen as a worthwhile task. You sometimes have to push people and you sometimes
have to push Trojans, or just leave them where they are.
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Newsletter
July 2012 - December 2012 Edition Issue No. 239
From: Mark Tucker
To: Carl Tantum
Subject: RE
A few photos of dads "RE" as
promised, albeit a long time ago !!!
and I hope this makes up for all the
random emails you get from me when
i select "ALL"!
PS - loved the article you did on the
"meeting" we meet at and if there are
any Newsletters going begging that
would be great
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Trojan Owners Club
Newsletter
July 2012 - December 2012 Edition Issue No. 239
FRASER SLOAN
Trojan after passing it's MoT last week. Hood and sidescreens
up due to the thunder storms ! (August 2012)
Photos 1 & 2 ‘Classics on the Common’ from Hertford to Wellingborough in the yellow Utility & back in the 3 door tourer.
Photo 3 Front tyres being changed at Prescott on the yellow Utility.
1
2 3
MAKING PAYMENTS TO THE CLUB
The club has a ‘normal’ bank account with
Nat West, so if you have to send us money
this can now be done via Internet banking
(assuming you have this facility on your own
bank account). The club account details are ;
Sort Code : 52-41-32
Account No. 46646663
Reference : Please enter a reference which will
inform Steve P what the payment is for.
Using this method should also work from
most overseas banks if they provide an
international transaction facility.
Internet banking transaction are usually
significantly cheaper than other payment
methods.
HEADLEY SOCIAL - Trojan Owners Club
20TH. January 2013
It is that time of the year again and you are invited to join Club Members at the Winter Social
on the
20th. January 2013.
Please refer to the magazine insert for full details of this ever popular gathering.
Please let Carl Tantum know if you can come. [email protected]
07970 45274701428 714958
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For SaleDavid Vincent
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For Sale
TROJAN 1925 UTILTY - FOR SALE
In August this year Carl contacted me and told me about a long standing member who lives in Kings Lynn, not too far from me.
His name is David Hancock and he has a 1925 Utility. He first acquired the car in 1958 from a farmer who had used the car to
take butter to the station. David had help in the initial work he carried out from Arthur Scroggs. However, by 1961, there were
other demands on David's time and he laid the car up in a barn, first his parents', then his own, until he had more time to work
on it. The engine was regularly turned over to prevent seizing. As with many of us, this time was somewhat elusive and it was
not until 2012 that work resumed. I was delighted to go over and see the car and try to help for an afternoon.
The car was without obvious rust and in good condition for its age, probably because it had been laid up deliberately rather
than just left to deteriorate as are many old cars. The hood and hood sticks were complete but it only had side screens at the
front. The speedometer wasn't working as the cable was seized. I was able to tell David that I had recently had a new cable
made by Speedy cables. The original hand operated windscreen wiper blade needed replacing after 87 years! In addition there
were spare tyres, a tool kit, an axle adjuster and a spare chain and sprockets
with the hood up.
The hood down and
the rear wings in
The next time I heard
from David was last
week when he invited
me to go with him to
Anglia Car Auction in
Kings Lynn. He had
decided to sell his car
and would be putting
it into the next Classic Car Auction on Saturday 19 January 2013 at the
cattle market in Kings Lynn. We went to view the current sale, to see what
cars were for sale and the price they realised. The cars available may be
seen on the web site www.angliacarauctions.co.uk The prices will give
members some idea of the value of their cars. We already have a very
helpful spares ordering system run by Dave Vincent. This may be extended
through co-operation on restoration projects which may be of financial
benefit to club members as we could order items in bulk. We need a new
hood for our 1924 Utility and we also need a new speedometer head. If
anyone else is the same predicament we would be pleased to hear from
them so that a bulk order can be given.
Hand operated windscreen wiper Details of the hood mechanism
The Trojan without the wings ready for the auction
The Back PageThe Official Newsletter of the Trojan Owners’ Club
The Back Page July 2012 - December 2012 Edition Issue No. 239
WANTED COLUMN
WANTED - LEFT HAND wheel hub with studs
and, if possible, set of nuts. Front or rear
acceptable. Steve Potter by email or phone
01329 233615 or 07919 307263
WANTED - Trojan Perkins diesel, prefer
runner. Would also like to hear from members
that own/run the 3 cyl diesel. George Moore
01780 410169 or [email protected]
Future Club Dates
20th January 2013Headley Social
Carl Tantum
8th June 2013Ham Fair, Kingston
August 2013Centenary Rally, including Vintage Bus Tour of
Croydon Trojan Sites
Organiser - Several !
TOC Baseball Caps
£6.72 plus P&P. Order by Email
TOC Sweatshirts for Sale
Dark Blue with Trojan Logo
£10.53 plus P&P.
Orders to [email protected]
(please specify size required).
FOR SALE
Our Rallies are the ‘essence’ of what we
do - please try to support them
Club Sale - 1 power pack for bicycle and
also a Mini-Motor Serial no C51879Z a MkIII.
Enquiries to Club Hon. Sec. Chris Tordoff
For Sale 1925
TROJAN UTILITY
Many spares
including
additional set of 4
Solid tyred wheels.
Excellent
condition.
Club Concours
holder
Offers around
£9,000.
Bob Adams phone
01245 467547.
From Roly Finn
A Trojan Mk 3 single cylinder petrol Garden Tractor fitted with a Clinton
engine, brakes & tow bar. Described as an older restoration. It realised
£1800. We were away at the time of the auction so didn't see it. It is in
the Cheffins on line catalogue Lot number 2459.
www.cheffins.co.uk/catalogue/vintage/cambridge-vintage-sale--oct-
252-0?pg=1
PUNTS & PEDALSFrom: Frazer Sloan
Subject: Trojan Punt wanted
Dear All,
I have a very enthusiastic VSCC member
looking to put a punt between the two (non-
detachable wheeled) axles he bought at
Beaulieu. If anyone out there might have a
punt or remains of, and any other chassis or
body parts, then would you be so kind to let
me know? It's an ambitious target, but based
on previous projects that I have seen come out
of his workshop, it would seem he has a great
deal of enthusiasm and skill to make it happen.
In advance, many thanks, Frazer
From: Tony Stephens
Subject: RE: Trojan Punt wanted
I bet you this is Mark Walker. What price an
aero-engined trials Trojan?
Tony Stephens
PS While I am on, I still need a CLUTCH PEDAL
PAD, let me know if you have one
From: Frazer Sloan
Subject: Trojan starter type flywheel for exchange
I am in the process of changing flywheels on my yellow Utility but don't
possess enough of the little plates (2 screw type not the later 3 hole with
dowel type) which the transmission springs fit to between gearbox and
flywheel. Is there anyone in the club who has some spares of these little
plates? I need about 7. Alternatively, if anyone has a good flywheel
complete then I have the starter ring type, complete with all the little
spring plates, for exchange.
Thanks to all in advance, Frazer
New Fuel Caps Now AvailableFuel caps - Specify whether you need
car or van. Cost £15 each. Contact
David Vincent
