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Tom Kilcer, CCA
Advanced Ag Systems LLC
www.advancedagsys.com
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Growth Potential -
light intensity & hours
6/21
Summer
Annual Winter forage Winter forage
Sept 20 April 20
Winter Forages are
Cover Crops on Steroids:
.
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all the soil/nutrient benefits plus
immediate return to your checkbook
• Produce forage for the high and fresh cows.
• Supports a high forage diet
• Have forage that keeps the cows milking in hot weather.
• Increase dry matter harvested/acre by 25 – 35%
• Harvest 6 to 10 tons/acre of high quality silage before
spring grasses or legumes are ready.
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Winter Forage
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/NYFVI
Average Low High
DM 24.28 19.93 27.5
Crude Protein 20.35 19.71 21.07
ADF 25.42 24.06 27.53
aNDF 40.28 38.54 42.58
aNDFom 37.91 35.88 40.12
Ash 7.61 7.38 7.93
Lignin 1.02 0.44 1.87
Sugar 6.16 4.81 7.11
Starch 4.60 2.6 5.48
NDFD 30 68.21 65.57 70.21
NDFD 120 88.13 82.47 93.06
NDFD 240 98.30
uNDF240 0.69
TTNDFD 66.45 64.11 69.44
RFQ 193 176 206
RFV 160 147 169
Kd%/hr 5.74
Nel 0.75 0.731 0.762
Lactic 7.97 7.44 9.24
Acetic 0.77 0.47 1.02
Butyric 0.44 0.4 0.5
pH 3.76 3.63 3.83
Fermented
Winter Forage
Samples
TTNDFd 42
=Avg. Corn
Silage or Alfalfa
Silage
>48% = Good
+ Sulfur
Improves Soil Structure
Benefits Next Crop
Corn grain increased yield 4 – 7%
Soybeans 3yr avg. increased yield 8 – 15%
Nitrate in drainage water reduced 21-38%
Surface permeability in clay loam increased 7X!
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Drury et al J. Environ Qual 2012
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60% less moisture in soil in spring
Break-Even Yield by N Addition and
Impact on Corn Silage -- N Rate Study
Break-Even Winter Cereal Yields
No impact on
corn silage
yields
1 ton DM/acre
reduction in corn
yield
ton DM/acre
No additional N
fertilizer 0.7 1.7
With 75 lbs N/ac
MERN 1.0 2.0
Hanchar et al. (2015). Double cropping winter cereals for forage following corn
silage: costs of production and expected changes in profit for New York dairy
farms. What’s Cropping Up? 25(4).
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“Cover” Crop Winter Forage
Optimum Planting Date
10 Days to 2 Weeks
BEFORE Wheat
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Earlier Planting = Higher Yields
1
1.2
1.4
1.6
1.8
2
2.2
2.4
September 9 October 5
To
ns
Dry
Ma
tter
/Acr
e
Planting Date
+20% Yield Increase
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Double Crop with Short Season vs
Max Season Corn Silage
Dr. Cox, Cornell
0
5
10
15
20
25
30
35
40
86-90day 91-95 96-100 86-90+
Ton
s 3
5%
Dm
Sil
age
1680 kg/ha of silage lost for every
5 day (US) shorter season corn
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1680 kg/ha of silage lost for every
5 day (US) shorter season corn
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Winter Forage DM Yield
4479 – 8958 kg/ha
3818 – 8018 kg milk
2 – 4 x GAIN
1720 kg of milk lost 20 day drop
Single vs Double Crop Silage Yield
20 17 17
0 5.7
12
0
5
10
15
20
25
30
single double double2
Ton
s 3
5%
DM
/yea
r
summer corn
winter triticale
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Brachytic Dwarf
BMR Forage
Sorghum
Grain Sorghum
Summer
Energy Crops
2016 Miner Institute Trial
• Corn Silage lost 4 tons/acre planted into
rye.
• Corn in disked rye had no yield loss.
• Vermont disked rye had 2 ton/acre GAIN
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Winter Grains Have Alleopathy
Cornell Cooperative Extension in
Rensselaer Co.
Corn Plants/Plot Following Winter
Grains
90.7
57.9
67.5
79.2
0
10
20
30
40
50
60
70
80
90
100
Fallow Triticale Wheat Barley
Brown, 2005
Corn Plant Vigor Following
Winter Grains
4
1.91.7
2.3
0
0.5
1
1.5
2
2.5
3
3.5
4
Vig
or R
ati
ng
Fallow Triticale Wheat Barley
Brown, 2005
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Strip Till or Zone Till
Negates Allelopathy on
Corn as significant (>5
cm) rainfall does
Miner Institute Yield by Year of Stand
2.75
3
3.25
3.5
3.75
4
4.25
4.5
4.75
5
1 2 3 4 5 6
Year of Stand
Seeding Year Yield with Winter Forage
2.75
3
3.25
3.5
3.75
4
4.25
4.5
4.75
5
1 2 3 4 5 6
Year of Stand
With triticale harvested in
spring one cutting of alfalfa
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• Reduces Seeding Risk
• Increases Seeding Year Yield
• Stops Erosion Loss
• Inhibits Weeds
• Moves work load from April
to early June
Alfalfa
Red Clover
Soybean
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Low Rate Glyphosate
High Volume Water Carrier
Establishing High Yield Winter Forage
• Seed/variety selection
• Seed treatment
• Planting date
• Fall fertilization
• Planting technique
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Choose the best
crop
• Lodging is a potential issue with
rye.
• Lodging is rare with winter
triticale forage.
• New triticale varieties are
almost as early as rye.
• Triticale out yields rye 35%
0.0
0.5
1.0
1.5
2.0
2.5
3.0
3.5
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18
Yie
ld a
t O
pti
mu
m N
Rate
(
ton
s D
M/a
cre
)
Rye
Triticale
Wheat
Yield at Optimum N Rate
Dr. Ketterings, Cornell U
0
75
150
225
300
Farm 1: Cereal Rye M
ilk (k
g h
a-1)
RF
Q
As growth stage
advances:
• RFQ declines
• Milk/ha increases
16,000
12,000
8,000
4,000
0
0
75
150
225
300Farm 2: Triticale
Farm 3: Wheat
16,000
12,000
8,000
4,000
0
16,000
12,000
8,000
4,000
0 RFQ
Milk/ha
2) At the species
level, how do yield
and forage quality
change over time? 0
75
150
225
300
Two nodes Boot Headed
Growth stage Jeff Liebert Cornell U
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25% Rye
75% Triticale
Don’t Buy Cheap Bin-Run VNS Seed!
You would not buy bin run corn seed
Don’t buy bin run triticale or hybrid rye
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Late plantings yielded
up to 28% more with
seed treatments
compared to none.
Seed treatment below
with early planting
yielded 15% more than
not treated seed at left.
Sept week 1 Sept week 2
Sept week 3 Sept week 4
Oct week 1
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10 Day – 2 Weeks before Wheat Grain
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October Planting
September Planting
September 9 planting: harvested May 10
October 5 planting: harvested May 17
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4.00
6.00
8.00
10.00
12.00
28-Aug 7-Sep 17-Sep 27-Sep
Number of Tillers/plant by Planting Date
Tillers = Yield Potential
Yield/Soil Benefits Accrue
According to Fall Biomass
Produced
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September 9
October 6
Biomass is Driven by Planting Date
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500
1000
1500
2000
2500
Sept 6 Oct 6
Po
un
ds
of
Dry
Matt
er/A
cre
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20
40
60
80
100
120
140
160
180
0.00 0.50 1.00 1.50 2.00 2.50
Lb
s N
/Acr
e
Tons Dry Matter/Acre
Lbs. of Nitrogen/Acre
Stored in Living Biomass
Nitrogen Stored is Driven by Biomass X
Planting Date
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4 0
10
20
30
40
50
60
70
Sept 6 Oct 6
Po
un
ds
of
N S
tore
d/A
cre
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0
20
40
60
80
100
120
140
160
180
200
9/9/17 10/6/17
Pou
nd
s o
f N
/Acr
e Total N (vegetation + Soil NH3 + NO3)
soil veg
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1
1.2
1.4
1.6
1.8
2
2.2
2.4
Sept Control Sept Manure Oct Control Oct Manure
Ton
s D
ry M
att
er/A
cre
Impact of Fall Nitrogen x Planting Date on
Spring Yield
+14%
+33%
N Rate Study Results Yield and Optimum N Rate
0.0
0.5
1.0
1.5
2.0
2.5
3.0
3.5
0 20 40 60 80 100 120 140
Yie
ld a
t O
pti
mal
N R
ate
(to
ns
DM
/acr
e)
Optimal N Rate (lbs of N/acre)
Rye
Triticale
Wheat
Ketterings et al
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3.175 cm
deep
1.27 cm
Heaved
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Uniformity of Stand is Critical in
Corn and in Small Grains.
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Phil Needham
http://needhamag.com
270-785-0999
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Fall
Spring
Dual Season
Nitrogen
Management
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2.50
3.50
4.50
5.50
6.50
7.50
8.50
0 30 60 90 120
To
ns
35
%D
M S
ilag
e/A
Lbs N/A Spring
Sept 10 Fall vs Spring N Response Preliminary
0
30
60
90
12
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2.50
3.50
4.50
5.50
6.50
7.50
8.50
0 30 60 90 120
To
ns
35
%D
M S
ilag
e/A
Lbs N/A Spring
Oct 5 Fall vs Spring N Response Preliminary
0
30
60
90
12
Impact of Sulfur on Protein
0
2
4
6
8
10
12
14
16
18
46-0-0 21-0-0
% C
rud
e P
rote
in
115 lb N/A
100 lb N/A
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We Do NOT Suggest
Topdress Manure
on stands in spring
We have had some horrible results from
manure contamination in high sugar forage
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Nitrogen Removal at Optimal N Rate
N Removal (lbs/acre)
Species Number of fields Average Min Max
Rye 8 92 32 131
Triticale 33 99 42 163
Wheat 4 59 9 95
N Rate Study Results Nitrogen Uptake
About 23 kg of N removed for every 900 kg DM
Ketterings et al
111 kg/ha typical rate
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“Stage of growth has a bigger effect on forage quality than the
species of winter grain chosen”
Dr. J. Cherney, Cornell University
Harvesting Winter Triticale
Winter Forage
Matures just before cool
season grasses
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Stage 8 Stage 9 Stage
10
Change in Feed Quality
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5
5.5
6
6.5
7
7.5
8
8.5
9
9.5
10
6-May 11-May 16-May 21-May 26-May 31-May
Kd
rate
/hr
Harvest Date
2013
2010
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Date High
Temp
Low
Temp
May 10 25.0 11.1
May 11 17.2 8.3
May 12 11.7 3.9
May 13 9.4 0.6
May 14 15.5 -0.6
May 15 30.0 9.4
Winter Triticale Harvest 2013
Date High Temp Low Temp
May 10 77 52
May 11 63 47
May 12 53 39
May 13 49 33
May 14 60 31
May 15 86 49
Wide Swath Same Day Haylage
is Critical to Capture Forage
Quality
High Sugar – 20% at harvest
High Yielding : 6 – 14 Tons/Acre in one cut
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Lumps
Lumps Lumps
Lumps Lumps
Triticale
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Tedding Speeds Drying
Harvest of
Winter Triticale Forage
• Mow wide (swath >80% of cutterbar)
• Tedd after 2 hours of drying
• Chop longer 2.5 cm???
• Ensile/wrap the same day as mowed
unless temp < 4 C
• Homolactic acid type bacteria
• Very high sugar allows full fermentation
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