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ukedchat 20:00

It's 8pm on Thursday evening. Please join @bevevans22 now for

#ukedchat Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is

best ?

bevevans22 20:00

Welcome to this week's #ukedchat. We're discussing Mixed

ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? So

let's begin..

john_at_muuua 20:00@dailydenouement good luck with the application. hope it's

groovy. #ukedchat

hairysporran 20:00@dannynic @JOHNSAYERS im going for a very fine 30yr old malt

tonight for #ukedchat

bellaale 20:01

RT @john_at_muuua: ok. hi again. let me jump right in there and

say neither and both. one system does not fit all. #ukedchat >

agreed

Kazmuir4 20:01#ukedchat there is a place for both in education, but which is best

is a sticky question

john_at_muuua 20:01 we like to be flexible. mixed ability at times, and change at

various times in the year for specific purposes. #ukedchat

TeaKayB 20:01

RT @squiggle7: Teachmeet Midlands Sat 19 Feb fabulous ideas

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#tmm11 #ukedchat

bevevans22 20:01

What are your thoughts on tonight's topic? any strong views one

way or the other? Remember to use #ukedchat hashtag in your

tweets!

john_at_muuua 20:01ok. hi again. let me jump right in there and say neither and both.

one system does not fit all. #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:01 RT @ukedchat: Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets -

which is best (& why)? #ukedchat topic this evening

CliveBuckley 20:02 Are we all not 'mixed ability'? #ukedchat

missbrownsword 20:02if you're teaching in a system that you don't believe works (either

sets or mixed) then it won't #ukedchat

GiftedPhoenix 20:02 #ukedchat Neither approach benefits all learners - I think the

research shows broadly similar overall outcomes?

bevevans22 20:02

@john_at_muuua I'd agree - think there are good arguments for

both if circumstances are right do others feel differently?#ukedchat

missbrownsword 20:02If you believe in mixed ability it will work for you, if you believe in

sets they will work for you #ukedchat

narthernlad 20:02 I think it depends on the subject! #ukedchat

hairysporran 20:02do mixed ability classes allow to top gifted pupils room to extend

themselves or are they held back? #ukedchat

narthernlad 20:03 @bevevans22 I think sets work best in subjects like numeracy,

where as they dont work as well in literacy! #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:03 @bevevans22 v. Interesting topic. Was at the heart of recent bbc

programme on mobility. Would ability sets help this? #ukedchat

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colport 20:03Mixed ability classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (&

why)? #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:03

have a Y11 strictly set to study poetry. Y10 mixed by the prose

text. Y9 mixed for behaviour. Y8 grouped by relationships

#ukedchat

VMM40BUG 20:03@narthernlad I agree. Currently streaming in Maths and pupils

responding very positively #ukedchat

GiftedPhoenix 20:03

#ukedchat The research I've read suggests #gifted learners tend

to do better in sets; lower achievers better in mixed ability

settings

Jokprice 20:03@hairysporran they are held back! Not many TA's for g&t

children #ukedchat

philallman1 20:03there is no good substitute for good quality mixed ability teaching

#ukedchat

26mjw 20:03 Very interested in tonights #ukedchat - I'm not a fan of mixed

ability groups, I dont see them being fair on the kids. Personally.Creativeedu 20:03

Evening all! I'm not sure there is a one size fits all solution to this

question #UKEdChat

bevevans22 20:03 RT @narthernlad: I think it depends on the subject! #ukedchat I

think subject is a factor, but why so? Any particular subjects?

LKMco 20:03

Chatting to someone who wants to be a Chinese teacher. Anyone

know what demand for them is like and any schools teaching it?

#ukedchat

imascientist 20:03

Oooo, can be an awkward topic RT @ukedchat Mixed ability

classes or pupils in ability sets - which is best (& why)? #ukedchat

topic this eve

bevevans22 20:04

@philallman1 Why so? My son was educated in ability settings

and found it suited him. Daughter mixed ability (diff school) &

happy #ukedchat

chris_1974 20:04 RT @missbrownsword If you believe in mixed ability it will work

for you, if you believe in sets they will work for you #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:04 @philallman1 sorry, but I disagree. different times, students,

topics and staff call for different approaches. #ukedchat

tj007 20:04I have found that even with sets, there is still a range in ability.#ukedchat

mjowchs 20:04 #ukedchat it depends on the range of ability in the group, a lot of

bright pupils can encourage a few weaker ones

JOHNSAYERS 20:04

set classes so much easier to pitch to. Mixed get some firing

ahead some lag behind. Mind can inspire make oracle

leaders/trainers #ukedchat

Kazmuir4 20:04#ukedchat i think it's different for primary and secondary

squiggle7 20:04 I think a mixture of both approaches works best, sometimesmixed ability, sometimes setting

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misshbond 20:04RT @clivebuckley: Are we all not 'mixed ability'? #ukedchat


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bevevans22 20:06RT @mjowchs: #ukedchat a lot of disengaged pupils will destroy a

more able pupil


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passthechablis 20:08

RT @mooshtang: Maths is too diverse a subject to set in. You

might be a high flyer in shape but poor in calculation for example.

#ukedchat

cleverfiend 20:08

@GaryAveryICT We can't set easily as a special school and the

extremes of some groups can be 5 levels apart. We differentiate!

#ukedchat

ianpocock 20:08@Creativeedu think the challenge is to find a way to break thecycle of the poorest children can compete with the richest

#ukedchat

26mjw 20:08All too often I've seen disengaged or disruptive pupils monopolise

teacher or TA time. #ukedchat

HilGibb 20:08

#ukedchat I used to take academic highflyers for 'failure lessons'.

This unabled 'middles' to take more of a lead. It was a win-win

scenario

fkelly 20:08http://eprints.ioe.ac.uk/1139/1/Boaler2000Students631.pdf

#ukedchat

tj007 20:08 RT @richardsw16: #ukedchat Local secondary has setted form

groups as well as subject lessons - OTT? Sounds rather bizarre...

GiftedPhoenix 20:08

RT @cleverfiend: @JOHNSAYERS the danger is that many

teachers think streamed groups don't need any differentiation -

and they do! #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:08@GiftedPhoenix so how would it work in English? #ukedchat

misshbond 20:08@creativeedu I've always found this an interesting idea but never

actually seen it in action. #ukedchat

VMM40BUG 20:08

#ukedchat Some pupils will respond to having MA peers. But

some sit back and let MA kids do all work. A range of approaches

needed I think

missnoor28 20:08 RT @Creativeedu: What about setting but with students of

different ages but similar ability - anyone tried it? #UKEdChat

26mjw 20:08 RT @bevevans22: RT @mjowchs: #ukedchat a lot of disengaged

pupils will destroy a more able pupil


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mushychelle 20:09 In adult ed., sets can be a bit of mystery - norm is mixed ability!

E.g. in literacy Entry Level - Level 2 in one class. #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:09@missbrownsword is that an analogue v digital thing? #ukedchat

AntHeald 20:09

Why should ability be the only criteria for setting?Would it make

any less sense to set by level of enthusiasm, for example?#ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:09 RT @CliveBuckley: Are we talking about subject achievement or

social achievement? #ukedchat


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hairysporran 20:10 @bevevans22 i see it set/mixed classes in ks 2,3,4 it seems to

depend on the subject. math,eng are set. #ukedchat

rjpritchard 20:10 #ukedchat do teachers convince themselves that setting is best

for the students, when it's really just best for the teachers?

philallman1 20:10RT @colport: Primaries mixed? I bet many teachers have tablesorganised according to ability in classrooms! #ukedchat

streamed within mixed

jackieschneider 20:10#ukedchat - I know from personal experience how deeply

demotivating it is to be in a bottom set.

GaryAveryICT 20:10

One year we took the highest ability and the lowest ability out.

for Maths and English.. Left the others in class .a happy

balance?#ukedchat

richardsw16 20:10

RT @tj007: #ukedchat setted form groups OTT? rather bizarre...

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