Ukedchat Archive 10 February 2011

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dajbelshaw 19:57 WE'RE OFF! #ukedchat for the next hour. We're discussing: What's the

purpose of education? Are we headed in right direction? #purposed

anderscj2 19:57

New Post: #ukedchat TONIGHT about #purposed: As youll already

know, #ukedchat is a weekly hour-l... http://bit.ly/e49vEc by

@dajbelshaw

dughall 19:57What is the purpose of education? #ukedchat doesn't shy from the big

topics! Join in in a couple of minutes.

headteacher01 19:57 gove has a purpose in education? #ukedchat

triptico_eLearn 19:58

RT @dajbelshaw: Pretty much everything you need to know for

#ukedchat tonight is collated here: http://bit.ly/ukedchat-purposed

(Please RT!) #purposed

cheersphilip 19:58a good blog about #purposed here http://bit.ly/3CPArV #ukedchat

lordlangley73 19:59#ukedchat The current government has no idea where it is going it

seems. Very misdirected.

Grevster73 19:59

RT @dajbelshaw: Pretty much everything you need to know for

#ukedchat tonight is collated here: http://bit.ly/ukedchat-purposed

(Please RT!) #purposed

didactylos 19:59 #ukedchat one of the reasons I am leaving education is that i have

profound reservations about education here over the next few years

theokk 19:59#ukedchat I think #purposed heading in the the right direction -

politicians the highway to hell

ukedchat 19:59

Ok, here we go. It's 8pm. @dajbelshaw is hosting this #ukedchat

special 'What is the purpose of education. Are we heading in the right

way?'

cheersphilip 20:00 RT @GaryAveryICT: Doesn't education go round in circles anyway? We

seem to recycle old ideas quite often. #ukedchat

philallman1 20:00 #ukedchat total contradiction in policy from current gov.

dajbelshaw 20:00

RT @rmsimonwilliams: @dajbelshaw #ukedchat do we need to agree

on "what good education is?" before we can answer "are we on right

path?"

GaryAveryICT 20:00Doesn't education go round in circles anyway? We seem to recycle old

ideas quite often. #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:00Will be dropping in and out of #ukedchat this week but it soundsAMAZING! Follow the stream!!

iDais 20:00 #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:00RT @cheersphilip: seems to be a question between fit for jobs/ed for

life #ukedchat

PeacockMaths 20:00

#ukedchat. Teaching is too linked to society to give a conclusive

answer. But for me the answer is no (for many reasons) and yes (for a

few)

rmsimonwilliams 20:00 @ukedchat @dajbelshaw #ukedchat do we need to agree on "what

good education is?" before we can answer "are we on right path?"

dughall 20:00#ukedchat Is education about preparation for as successful,

independent, happy life as is possible?

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cheersphilip 20:00seems to be a question between fit for jobs/ed for life #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:00@lordlangley73 Surely the *does* know where it's going with

education. And that's the problem? #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:01 @cleverfiend yes - it gets complicated #ukedchat

dughall 20:01 @4goggas Yes #ukedchat

cleverfiend 20:01Education in a special school is preparing students for life ascompetent responsible citizens - are mainstream schools different?

#ukedchat

4goggas 20:01 #ukedchat Is it now?!

theokk 20:01@didactylos #ukedchat quite a few other countries seem to be going

in other direction to UK (well England anyway)

cheersphilip 20:01 @57mason what direction is that? #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:01

RT @ukedchat: Are you joining @dajbelshaw for #ukedchat in 20

minutes discussing the purpose of education. Are we going in the right

direction?

57mason 20:01@lordlangley73 #ukedchat sadly it has a very clear direction

dajbelshaw 20:01 RT @GaryAveryICT: Doesn't education go round in circles anyway? We

seem to recycle old ideas quite often. #ukedchat


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dajbelshaw 20:03What direction *should* we be heading in education? #ukedchat

#purposed

albanystreet 20:03 Education should be transformative and empowering, enabling people

to engage in civic society and the common wealth #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:03 #ukedchat Do we need to use two hash tags? #purposed

john_at_muuua 20:03 'the perfect dinner party guest' -AC Grayling #ukedchat

te_ach_er 20:03

Obvious point but I'd guess most would agree the purpose of

education lies in skills, NOT learning facts e.g. historical dates

#ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:03 @57mason LOL #ukedchat

theokk 20:03#ukedchat think various stakeholders have different expectations -

students voice usually last to be heard

familysimpson 20:03RT @ukedchat: #ukedchat tip 1 - If the stream is going too fast for you,

use http://twitterfall.com/

SkoorBttaM 20:03

RT @colport: The current education system was designed for an

Industrial Revolution age...Modern purposes need to be updated#ukedchat

57mason 20:03@cheersphilip divide and conquer, academy or bust #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:03 @john_at_muuua information age #ukedchat

rmsimonwilliams 20:03#ukedchat purpose = to prepare for life? to pass exams? to get jobs? to

understand the world? to be better people?

philallman1 20:03 As Brennan said on Tues eve in #edbill debate #gove is creating 'An

analogue curriculum for a digital age' #ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:03 Higher ed #ukedchat

GaryAveryICT 20:03Rose review was about skills, but now it's going to be about

knowledge... #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:03 Purpose of education is definitely compulsory as we need to teach our

S's the difference between love and war #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:03RT @headteacher01: Is the purpose for the individual, or for society?

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:03 @colport what age are we living in now? #ukedchat

didactylos 20:04@theokk #ukedchat indeed, leaving us further behind with the 'retro'

Gradgrind Gove 'Reforms'.

bucharesttutor 20:04 We are living in an age where technology rules and Twitter and

Facebook help us in better n effective communication #ukedchat

albanystreet 20:04 @te_ach_er I wouldn't agree! I am very apprehensive about the skills

agenda - who says employers know best? #ukedchat

57mason 20:04 @cheersphilip glad you find it funny #ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:04Education should help people achieve their potential - however that is

measured / defined #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:04 RT @theokk: #ukedchat think various stakeholders have differentexpectations - students voice usually last to be heard #purposed

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cheersphilip 20:04

agree RT @lordlangley73: #ukedchat Surely we should be empowering

the pupils to learn to be learners? Not jus (cont)

http://deck.ly/~LnEmT

john_at_muuua 20:04@cheersphilip ok, in this 'information age' why are we using a 19th

century approach to education? #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:04 @albanystreet couldn't agree more #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:04 RT @TheHeadsOffice: #ukedchat Do we need to use two hash tags?#purposed


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headteacher01 20:05 Is the purpose to prepare the next generation of innovative citizens, or

to be part of a good pub quiz team? #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:05 @john_at_muuua it dissappointing, i know :( #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:06 We live in a world where info is everywhere we need to teach children

how to analyse and differentiate what they discover #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:06@colport no gov will - political suicide - low chance of success

#ukedchat

MrAColley 20:06Shoud be how to find, filter, verify, classify, store & present info.

#ukedchat

albanystreet 20:06 @bucharesttutor Do they rule or have they just facilitated new forms

of engagement? What are the 'offline' implications? #ukedchat

Mackers1969 20:06RT @TheHeadsOffice: #ukedchat It has to be preparation for life

experiences - who determines which ones though?

rmsimonwilliams 20:06 RT @john_at_muuua: I know this is #ukedchat, but are the needs and

direction of education different in different countries?

universityboy 20:06 #ukedchat What direction should we be heading in education? Can we

be 'we'? And is education formal, informal, or both in different ways?

theokk 20:06 @dajbelshaw #ukedchat need to carefully take in the whole map, and

have an escape route, before choosing the direction - #purposed

john_at_muuua 20:06I know this is #ukedchat, but are the needs and direction of education

different in different countries?

CliveBuckley 20:06RT @john_at_muuua: @colport have the needs of individuals

changed? #ukedchat Nice point

familysimpson 20:06

RT @colport: The current education system was designed for an

Industrial Revolution age...Modern purposes need to be updated

#ukedchat

colport 20:06@andreacarr1 Do we start the education system from scratch (in an

utopian sense)? Current gvt won't #ukedchat

SkoorBttaM 20:06 RT @headteacher01: Is the purpose to prepare the next generation of

innovative citizens, or to be part of a good pub quiz team? #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:06@john_at_muuua from when? 150 years ago, or from 1988?#ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:06 RT @Mackers1969: #ukedchat to be honest this is a bit like asking how

long a piece of string is!


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curricadvocate 20:07 @john_at_muuua #ukedchat - undoubtedly, although the best

curricula across the world all share a common goal - progress for pupils

jamesmichie 20:07@TheHeadsOffice @dajbelshaw or opt out of society. #ukedchat

cleverfiend 20:07 @13SciDave I guess the diversity of opinion is about how we preparestudents for life after education rather than the need #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:07Are we just talking about school education or lifelong learning this eve

please? #UkEdChat

cheersphilip 20:07 RT @te_ach_er: @albanystreet What about social skills, perseverance,

ability to achieve a goal and so on? #ukedchat

lisibo 20:07@john_at_muuua - #ukedchat - not sure they are that different? or at

least., they shouldn't be that different.

te_ach_er 20:07@albanystreet What about social skills, perseverance, ability to

achieve a goal and so on? #ukedchat

nellmog 20:07 #ukedchat I don't necessarily we should be trying to define 'good

education' but looking at what skills students should gain

jackieschneider 20:07 #ukedchat - I worry that the unspoken purpose of our education

system is childcare + producing compliant workforce

camaxwell 20:07

What u NEED to learn, what u WANT to learn and what OTHERS WANT

u to learn are different and have different purposes. #ukedchat

#purposed

bucharesttutor 20:07

@headteacher01 yes we need to educate the next generation with all

our knowledge and experience showing the leveller called LIFE

#ukedchat

SkoorBttaM 20:07 RT @GaryAveryICT: I'd like Less paperwork, more freedom to innovate

without fear of judgmental politicians getting in the way #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:07 RT @MrAColley: Shoud be how to find, filter, verify, classify, store &

present info. #ukedchat


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cheersphilip 20:08@albanystreet people too scared - don;t forget the majority of ppl in

UK still very shy of digital #ukedchat

andreacarr1 20:08 @colport Very hard. Much money tied up in the examination system.

Big companies making big money. #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:08@MrAColley exactly education is not a passing of info #ukedchat it's

about experience discovery

JOHNSAYERS 20:08

How many educators are ICT illiterate? Do we need

organisations/industry to write school friendly introductory core skills

#ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:08Is the current UK policy to keep our young ignorant so they will not

question government? #ukedchat

MrAColley 20:08@dajbelshaw Nope, but 'search & select' are increasingly vital skills.

#ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:08 @Mackers1969 Good point! #purposed #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:08@zakmensah Yes, just follow hashtag. #ukedchat gets a bit crazy!

#purposedheadteacher01 20:08

@albanystreet well the employers will determine the success of

education,if not then no job #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:08@nellmog what about what experience they should gain? #ukedchat

albanystreet 20:08 @colport - Why not? The world is in an incredible state of flux - grab

the opportunity to rip it up and start again #ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:09 Hevtic tonight - for such a nebulous subject! #ukedchat

theokk 20:09@jamesmichie #ukedchat #purposed but that's the joy of 'learning' be

boring if the outcomes were predictable

camaxwell 20:09 I think too much emphasis is put on compulsory education & too much

pressures on pupils. It's NOT their only chance. #ukedchat #purposed

57mason 20:09

RT @camaxwell: What u NEED to learn, what u WANT to learn and

what OTHERS WANT u to learn are different and have different

purposes. #ukedchat #purposed

SkoorBttaM 20:09

RT @dawnhallybone: education derives from latin to 'draw forth from

within' surely we should enables students to think, write or find own

path #ukedchat

philallman1 20:09 @dawnhallybone sadly if all words allowed for literal latin meaningGove would be talking out of his rectum - oh you're right ;) #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:09 @bucharesttutor what about the continuing and immutable body of

knowledge represented by old style teaching? #ukedchat

headteacher01 20:09@dajbelshaw the decision about which facts are relevant is the bit that

concerns me, seems so arbitary #ukedchat

dughall 20:09 @CreativeEdu ...or should do at least. #UkEdChat

albanystreet 20:09 @te_ach_er The soft skills... My worry is that they aren't a focus in

policy - the focus to me seems to be functional lit/numeracy #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:09RT @Creativeedu: Are we just talking about school education or

lifelong learning this eve please? #UkEdChat

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colport 20:09

@ianpocock Do you think? The school/education system has always

benefited the upper classes. #ukedchat Private & Grammar v comp

schools etc.

john_at_muuua 20:09how about the first thing to do with UK education is stop changing the

direction every 6 months! #ukedchat

dughall 20:09@CreativeEdu One leads inextricably to the other. #UkEdChat

Creativeedu 20:09 @CliveBuckley loving your cynicism! #UkEdChat

nellmog 20:09@cheersphilip and experiences they should have #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:09 @CreativeEdu #ukedchat I would always understand school education

as a prep for lifelong learning and successful participation in society

Totallywired77 20:09

RT @camaxwell: What u NEED to learn, what u WANT to learn and

what OTHERS WANT u to learn are different and have different

purposes. #ukedchat #purposed

jamesmichie 20:09@dajbelshaw @camaxwell Yes, young people can be naive, manythings they don't appreciate they need to know/be able to do.

#ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:09@MrAColley But not the purpose of education. ;-) #ukedchat

dughall 20:09 RT @CreativeEdu: Are we just talking about school education or

lifelong learning this eve please? #UkEdChat


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colport 20:10

@albanystreet What government would be brave (or foolish) enough?

I cannot see anyone being voted in on the back of the premise

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:10@dawnhallybone does the purpose of education change depending on

the age group concerned? #ukedchat

andreacarr1 20:10 Struggling with speed of this #ukedchat twitter fall :)

dajbelshaw 20:10 @headteacher01 Skills at least as important, but without facts wherewould you start? #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:10current crop of teachers taught to be infinitely flexible - bad for

proffessional view of self #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:11 For those people following me thinking WTF? I'm moderating

#ukedchat tonight. More sedentary tweeting resumes in 45 mins... ;-)

colport 20:11@andreacarr1 With our current gov, that is not likely to change soon

at all :-s #ukedchat

philallman1 20:11Education is what is left behind when what has been learned has been

forgotten - Skinner #ukedchatNharrison2 20:11

So J Oliver has moved out of the school Kitchen and into the

classroom. http://bit.ly/ft0YBW #ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:11@john_at_muuua no surely resilience, perseverance, social skills go

across age range #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:11I didn't learn to learn until I finished formal education... does that

suggest it was broken? #UkEdChat

nellmog 20:11

RT @dawnhallybone: education derives from latin to 'draw forth from

within' surely we should enables students to think, write or find own

path #ukedchat

lisibo 20:11@rmsimonwilliams - I hope you're not blaming me personally ;o) It is a

lively #ukedchat this pm!

albanystreet 20:11 @colport Sadly none I suspect but it shouldn't stop us demanding it!

Look at Egypt - who'd have thought that'd happen? #ukedchat

CllrVickyMD 20:11 RT @philallman1: As Brennan said on Tues eve in #edbill debate #gove

is creating 'An analogue curriculum for a digital age' #ukedchat

universityboy 20:11

#ukedchat Education means one thing to individual, another to wider

community. Meanings change frequently in both cases & in all

directions.

cheersphilip 20:11@CliveBuckley rings true, doesn;t it? not my words #ukedchat

smile2learn 20:11

RT @Smichael920: Could the move away from the arts by gov be

because we measure what's easy to measure rather than what we

value? #edchat #ukedchat

bellaale 20:12

RT @cheersphilip: LOL RT @dajbelshaw: For those people following me

thinking WTF? I'm moderating #ukedchat tonight. More sedentary

tweeting resumes in 45

jamesmichie 20:12 @CreativeEdu Yes, in some ways. My edu was the same & now as an

educator I can c that my edu could have been better. #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:12what i want is a more cohesive system, joining the dots and giving

students skills to enhance their lives #ukedchat

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dajbelshaw 20:12 RT @TheHeadsOffice: If the system is wrong, what do future leaders &

changers need to be taught? #ukedchat #purposed

albanystreet 20:12

@bucharesttutor But what about new forms of engagement? The big

social implications? Thinking of current situ in Egypt for example

#ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:12 If the system is wrong, what do future leaders & changers need to betaught? #ukedchat #purposed

Creativeedu 20:12

RT @dajbelshaw: For those people following me thinking WTF? I'm

moderating #ukedchat tonight. More sedentary tweeting resumes in

45 mins... ;-)

curricadvocate 20:12

@rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat it should be, but what if there is no

interest in skills development from top? and tight knowledge

prescription

fredgarnett 20:12

@dajbelshaw: What direction *should* we be heading in

education? #ukedchat #purposed Towards a participatory

democracy

JOHNSAYERS 20:12

When I'm not organising learning for my classes the best lessons

always come from outside agency workshops. #ukedchat anyone else

find this?

lisibo 20:12@dawnhallybone @john_at_muuua - I agree there! #ukedchat

Smichael920 20:12 RT @philallman1: As Brennan said on Tues eve in #edbill debate #gove

is creating 'An analogue curriculum for a digital age' #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:12

LOL RT @dajbelshaw: For those people following me thinking WTF? I'm

moderating #ukedchat tonight. More sedentary tweeting resumes in

45

CliveBuckley 20:12 Anyone read the TIMSS survey? #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:12 RT @dawnhallybone: edu derives fr latin 2 'draw forth fr within' surely

we shod enables students to think, write or find own path #ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:13 Isn't it sad that the idea that the next generation will be better

(educated etc.) will not happen this time?? #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:13So what's the purpose of education? Are we headed in the right

direction? #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:13 @dajbelshaw @theheadsoffice to make education about the learner

needs and desires - the two can go together. #ukedchat

tutor2u 20:13@JOHNSAYERS because their business depends on delivering high

quality - or it should #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:13

RT @rmsimonwilliams: @curricadvocate #ukedchat then by the time

people leave school, the information they hav (cont)

http://deck.ly/~hYMn6

TerryWassall 20:13 If education is about maximising all individuals' potential is this also a

critque of the obstacles society puts in the way? #ukedchat

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rmsimonwilliams 20:13 @curricadvocate #ukedchat then by the time people leave school, the

information they have absorbed will be out of date ???

cheersphilip 20:13I agree 0 sometimes you just have to sit down and practice!

@bucharesttutor: #ukedchat

jackieschneider 20:13 #ukedchat I am really glad kids start school after they can walk & talk.Just think of crazy strategies we'd invent & then claim as proof

57mason 20:13

(probable) reality of it is that Gove has 6 mths (max), by then the

damage will be done. Edu is what WE make it in our classrooms

#ukedchat

SkoorBttaM 20:14

RT @albanystreet: @TheHeadsOffice To stop thinking about systems

and think about learners - what they want and need should be the

driver #ukedchat


#Ukedchat unfortunately a "good" education is measured by league

tables and numbers of qualifications in this country. Time for a

change?

universityboy 20:14 RT @TheHeadsOffice: If the system is wrong, what do future leaders &

changers need to be taught? #ukedchat #purposed

te_ach_er 20:14 @albanystreet What do you mean by soft skills? #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:14@CreativeEdu Ditto - learned as much wrking 4 Superdrug as I did at

school / uni. #ukedchat

cloud_burst 20:14to learn from our mistakes and make the world a better place

#ukedchat

Smichael920 20:14#ukedchat has ed changed enough to meet society's current needs?

lisibo 20:14 @rmsimonwilliams @curricadvocate - and that's why the process is

almost more important than the facts #ukedchat (I said almost!)

curricadvocate 20:14 @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat - agree. i believe it is the skill to access

and analyse that is more important. knowledge is quickly accessible

dajbelshaw 20:14RT @camaxwell: @dajbelshaw Moderating? I'd call it drowning in the

deluge! #ukedchat is on fire tonight.

Mackers1969 20:14 #ukedchat Steve Munby spoke to Lancs HTs today - made really good

point re NCR. If it is facts and is only small% of total-free to innov8

dajbelshaw 20:14

@Mackers1969 I reject your metaphor. String length matters not, the

purpose of education & how we operationalise it matters hugely

#ukedchat

colport 20:14

RT @albanystreet: @colport Sadly none I suspect but it shouldn't stop

us demanding it! Look at Egypt - who'd have thought that'd happen?

#ukedchat

cleverfiend 20:14

RT @57mason: (probable) reality of it is that Gove has 6 mths (max),

by then the damage will be done. Edu is what WE make it in our

classrooms #ukedchat

albanystreet 20:14 @TheHeadsOffice To stop thinking about systems and think about

learners - what they want and need should be the driver #ukedchat

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jamesmichie 20:14We need education to b more "genuinly" learner-centric. #ukedchat

philallman1 20:14[Education is about] knowing what to do when you don't know what to

do - Art Costa #ukedchat

jennitonic80 20:14 RT @Creativeedu: I didn't learn to learn until I finished formal

education... does that suggest it was broken? #UkEdChat

jennitonic80 20:14 RT @Creativeedu: I didn't learn to learn until I finished formal

education... does that suggest it was broken? #UkEdChat

john_at_muuua 20:14@dawnhallybone yes. but currently isn't KS4 really all about the

exams, whereas KS1 is about...? #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:14

@jamesmichie I feel the same. i actually did well at school

academically but not in many other ways. I've learnt more at work

#UkEdChat

camaxwell 20:14@dajbelshaw Moderating? I'd call it drowning in the deluge! #ukedchat

is on fire tonight.

dajbelshaw 20:15 @dawnhallybone Not so sure that's true, Dawn. You can't make sense

of the world until you know what things *are*! #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:15RT @Smichael920: #ukedchat has ed changed enough to meet

society's current needs?


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philallman1 20:15 @Mackers1969 #ukedchat why make such a big play about names in

curriculum then unless the facts are to be prescriptive

Creativeedu 20:15General theme seems to be education should be learner driven not

dictated from above? #UkEdChat

CliveBuckley 20:16Should we ditch the national curriculum? Use the talent in our schools

to achieve excellence #ukedchat

PeacockMaths 20:16 #ukedchat We desperately need to decide what education is for. We

are fantastic at getting exam results - but is that enough.

ClaireJoanne35 20:16@john_at_muuua learning does seem easier post-16 #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:16@camaxwell Not half but its hard to get all teachers on board with

such #edupunk ideals. #ukedchat

Arakwai 20:16 #ukedchat Critical thinking? I want my students to have the knowledge

& skills to evaluate the wealth of info bombarding them constantly.

universityboy 20:16 @Smichael920 I would say a lot more flexibility is needed. And I fear

critical thinking is suffering in some cases. #ukedchat

bellaale 20:16 I think the only way to really get the best out of tonight's #ukedchat is

gonna be to revisit the hashtag retrospectively! Phew!

4goggas 20:16#ukedchat is someone telling the exam boards all of this?

#pardontherealitycheck ;0)

dajbelshaw 20:16@jamesmichie *Really*? Sounds nice but doubt that's true. #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:16

Q. Should edu purpose change for diff ages > of course kids are not

static nor is info or edu, purpose & appro needs 2 b dynamic

#ukedchat

colport 20:16@ianpocock We could draw this conversation into a sociological one!

#ukedchat

Grevster73 20:16 RT @dawnhallybone: @john_at_muuua am at ks2 and yr 6 for me it is

enabling children have a love for learning and life! #ukedchat


RT @57mason: (probable) reality of it is that Gove has 6 mths (max),

by then the damage will be done. Edu is what WE make it in our

classrooms #ukedchat

jackieschneider 20:16#ukedchat - schools/institutions don't have the monopoly on

education

dawnhallybone 20:16@john_at_muuua am at ks2 and yr 6 for me it is enabling children

have a love for learning and life! #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:16 @lordlumey I'm not waving I'm drowning! ;-) #ukedchat

57mason 20:16@Totallywired77 of course but try telling the industrial-military

complex that! #ukedchat

AntHeald 20:16RT @john_at_muuua: 12-16 is probably the very worst time in

anyone's life to try and learn something. #ukedchat

albanystreet 20:16 @Smichael920 Should we think about needs? Isn't that inherently a

deficit model? Desire, want, interest should drive #ukedchat

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camaxwell 20:16

We don't have to do what THE MAN aka #Gove says. We may have a

naff curriculum but it's what happens in the classroom that counts.

#ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:16 RT @jamesmichie: @albanystreet Yes, and does all learning have to

take place inside the 4 walls we call a school? #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:16 How many of us set up projects enquiries where we get pupils to play

roles in a company/organisation and they are engaging?#ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:17@dajbelshaw professional practice used to be the standard - they

called it 'habitus', like lawyers #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:17 @ClaireJoanne35 easier for the student? #ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:17@dajbelshaw Framework... maybe but NC .. maybe not #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:17 @dajbelshaw It is absolutely true, I struggled through maths every

single day but when I went to work I learned it sharpish. #ukedchatlisibo 20:17

@4goggas - a good point!! Until they get the message, education

won't and possibly can't really change #ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:17 @dajbelshaw but think of own children at early age they did not know

the facts but they found the skills to enable things to work #ukedchat

nellmog 20:17

I wonder myself if I found passion for learning because or despite

formal education? How many young people is that still the case

#ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:17 @lisibo @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat should education still prescribe

the structures for the way that knowledge should build?

dajbelshaw 20:17@CliveBuckley You need a framework to ensure minimum standards,

surely? #ukedchat

TerryWassall 20:17@cloud_burst better for whom? And how would you specify 'better'?

#ukedchat

albanystreet 20:17 @jamesmichie Definitely not! I work in Community Learning - there

are things that e.g. youth workers could deliver better #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:17 @dawnhallybone ooooh. wish GCSEs did that #ukedchat

fredgarnett 20:17

@CllrVickyMD RT @philallman1: I think #Gove is abandoning an

analogue curriculum in a digital age & going back to the scriptorium#ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:17 Agreed! RT @jamesmichie: @camaxwell Not half but its hard to get all

teachers on board with such #edupunk ideals. #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:18@jamesmichie So by extension you think businesses should be in

charge of education? #ukedchat

mberry 20:18 The problem with an exclusively learner driven education is that it

might never or rarely broaden a learner's horizons. #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:18RT @albanystreet: @jamesmichie Definitely not! I work in CommunityLearning - there are things that e.g. youth workers could deliver better

#ukedchat

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theokk 20:18 #ukedchat #purposed skills contextual to a given situation, facts (if

verified) a scaffold, hypothesis always a good leg up

familysimpson 20:18 #ukedchat every subject in Scottish edu submitting projects for

national 4/5? This is what employers want, isn't it?

ianpocock 20:18 @colport true but has their been greater social mobility since the

industrial revolution than following butler reforms?#ukedchat

AntHeald 20:18 Yes - you can find facts w/out copying off board now, but surely still

need to know what's *worth* finding out & where it fits #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:18Purpose of 'education' has varied in diff schools I've been in. Special

school prep for life struck me as best #UkEdChat

curricadvocate 20:18 @57mason #ukedchat the worry is that when Gove does go, Gibbs will

fit into place, and he makes Gove look like a soft version of Jim Rose!

jamesmichie 20:18 @dajbelshaw and that was just one example, I gained life skills, like

how to manage/deal w/ people + much more. #ukedchat

4goggas 20:18 @lisibo Yes - lets keep leading the changes. :0) #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:18

RT @jamesmichie: @dajbelshaw It is absolutely true, I struggled

through maths every single day but when I went to work I learned it

sharpish. #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:18 @dawnhallybone I think you're thinking about tech, Dawn. I'm thinking

not putting paintbrushes in mouths. ;-) #ukedchat

jackieschneider 20:19#ukedchat - the purpose of state organised education is always going

to be to meet the needs of ruling elite.

john_at_muuua 20:19@mberry just as people who only find news from social networks only

learn about what they know. #ukedchat

richardsw16 20:19

RT @andreacarr1: Thinking of what I want for my kids: skills for life,

confidence, curiosity, happiness, to be respectful and respected.

#ukedchat #purposed

universityboy 20:19

@nellmog I'd say many find it despite. But that doesn't mean there

aren't decent formal structures out there & passionate teachers

#ukedchat

Grevster73 20:19Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one haslearned in school - Albert Einstien -

dajbelshaw 20:19@dawnhallybone Ah, we're arguing over semantics. I'd calling that

finding out facts... :-p #ukedchat

philallman1 20:19 RT @Mackers1969: @philallman1 #ukedchat purpose of ed IS NOT to

satisfy political aims/motivations.


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CliveBuckley 20:19I remember a song 'little boxes made out of ticky tacky' let's not make

our young out of ticky tacky #ukedchat

mberry 20:19@albanystreet funding following the learner at school leads to

vouchers for independent schools, no? #ukedchat

lisibo 20:19 RT @theokk: #ukedchat #purposed skills contextual to a given

situation, facts (if verified) a scaffold, hypothesis always a good leg up

albanystreet 20:19 @cheersphilip @dajbelshaw Indeed - the need for effective continuous

professional learning is essential moving forward #ukedchat

Mackers1969 20:19@philallman1 #ukedchat purpose of ed IS NOT to satisfy political

aims/motivations.

bucharesttutor 20:19@john_at_muuua practise makes a man Math perfect #ukedchat

jennitonic80 20:19

#ukedchat in NQT year + rarely observe teaching with reference to real

working world. Secondary system all wrong. Need Topic lead lessons

??

dawnhallybone 20:19 @dajbelshaw ah but there it is trial and error - perseverance they find

the paper eventually in between the walls and siblings :) #ukedchat

andreacarr1 20:19 Thinking of what I want for my kids: skills for life, confidence, curiosity,

happiness, to be respectful and respected. #ukedchat #purposed

didactylos 20:19

@curricadvocate #purposed #ukedchat the concept of a chunked

curriculum was a model to deliver in analogue days. Digital makes it

irrelevant

ClaireJoanne35 20:19@john_at_muuua for students & teachers as students are more

receptive #ukedchat

nicovillena 20:20 RT @dajbelshaw: If you had to sum up the purpose of education in 140

characters, how would you do it? #ukedchat #purposed

familysimpson 20:20RT @jamesmichie: RT @gideonwilliams: @jamesmichie #ukedchat

certainly not definable by %s


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dawnhallybone 20:20 also think education should not just be about schools etc but also the

community - stories passing down from generations etc #ukedchat

ianpocock 20:20

@colport its where I fear we have lost our way. Why do privately

educated children do so much better, the gap grows every year

#ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:20 RT @jackieschneider: #ukedchat - the purpose of state organised

education is always going to be to meet the needs of ruling elite. Yes :-)

richardsw16 20:20

RT @jennitonic80: #ukedchat in NQT year + rarely observe teaching

with reference to real working world. Secondary system all wrong.

Need Topic lead lessons ??


@didactylos #ukedchat which is why the purpose of education is to

allow the next generation to make good decisions based on sound

analysis

didactylos 20:20 #purposed #ukedchat we are biologically programmed to learn its ourdna - schools often are a barrier to that learning

iamclairei 20:20 #ukedchat Like others I want children to love learning and empower

them to learn. Worried I don't always succeed though!

dajbelshaw 20:20@jamesmichie I agree we've got an outdated demarcation of subjects.

#ukedchat

rmsimonwilliams 20:20 @curricadvocate I think individuals' learning should guide the way

knowledge 'should' build, that & the content being studied #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:20

RT @camaxwell: I think too much emphasis is put on compulsory

education & too much pressures on pupils. It's NOT their only chance.

#ukedchat #purposed

albanystreet 20:21@dawnhallybone Indeed -great potential in intergenerational learning

I think #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:21@AntHeald U might call it "real" maths. Apologies to any maths

teachers out there! :-) #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:21 @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat Agree, but how do you frame that in a

National Curriculum. In fact should there be one? #controversial

JOHNSAYERS 20:21 My school was in bottom 1% in country:( now adopted thinking skillsacross school each classroom has to have same display wall #ukedchat

te_ach_er 20:21

@Grevster73re importance of loving life.Without trying to sound

profound it should enable kids to get the most out of their

life#ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:21 RT @CliveBuckley: @cheersphilip Society or individual - what is the

purpose of education? To serve the state or the individual? #ukedchat

MissSMitch 20:21 RT @Mackers1969: @philallman1 #ukedchat purpose of ed IS NOT to

satisfy political aims/motivations. >it shouldn't be but I'm not sure

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nellmog 20:21 How much do league tables drive the purpose of education in schools

today? #ukedchat does it mean it drives purpose in most classrooms?

4goggas 20:21 @andreacarr1 Agreed. Plus the drive to get ahead, to always have a

plan B & to focus on their needs without a significant other. #ukedchat

philallman1 20:21 @Mackers1969 to develop an understanding that learning never ends!#ukedchat

lisibo 20:21@dawnhallybone - agree re community and heritage and oral tradition

etc. that's being lost #ukedchat

lordlumey 20:21Strip the curriculum down! My Y3s should not have to be tortured with

equivalent fractions. #ukedchat

universityboy 20:21 @AntHeald Critical, engaged mind helps finding worth. And a teacher

can be any enthusiastic person with a similarly critical view. #ukedchat

Grevster73 20:21how can we educate the next generation when we don't know what

the future is? #ukedchatjohn_at_muuua 20:21

@bucharesttutor practice makes literature deeper too #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:21@dajbelshaw Although Design & TEch is clearly the best :D #ukedchat

57mason 20:21

@curricadvocate true not familiar w Gibbs ck

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/mortarboard/2010/may/17/nic

k-gibb-upsets-teachers #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:21 RT @dajbelshaw: If you had to sum up the purpose of education in 140


dajbelshaw 20:21@mattbuxton10 Depends at what level. You have to know a pen's a

pen, for example to use it! #ukedchat

dughall 20:21 RT @dajbelshaw: If you had to sum up the purpose of education in 140


Mackers1969 20:21 @philallman1 #ukedchat so we're back to where we started - what is

its purpose?! If nothing else - to inspire the learners to want to learn

MissSMitch 20:21@jennitonic80 I'm in secondary and we aim to have a big real world

link - think it depends on the school #ukedchat

AntHeald 20:21 @jamesmichie - whatever you learnt at Superdrug, I bet most of it

wasn't what maths teachers think of as maths #ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:22

RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat Sounds like more & more people

getting educated away from establishments-so what' (cont)

http://deck.ly/~nSYGA

theokk 20:22

@Grevster73 #ukedchat #purposed - aye! we've never known the

future but we can extrapolate from history inc (cultural) and have a

good stab

richardmillwood 20:22#ukedchat wealth culture citizenship fulfilment -

cornerstones of reasons to learn

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bellaale 20:22

RT @curricadvocate: @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat Agree, but how do

you frame that in a National Curriculum. In fact should there be one?

#controversial

jackieschneider 20:22 RT @didactylos: #purposed #ukedchat we are biologically programmed

to learn its our dna - schools often are a barrier to that learning

bucharesttutor 20:22 @dajbelshaw Meaningful, updated, adaptable, skilful, interesting,resourceful, entertaining #ukedchat #purposed

colmmu 20:22

RT @dawnhallybone: also think education should not just be about

schools etc but also the community - stories passing down from

generations etc #ukedchat

MissSMitch 20:22#ukedchat slightly off topic but would it benefit kids if they were

taught politics as part of the curriculum?

djchug 20:22 @jamesmichie very good point James. #ukedchat

4goggas 20:22@dajbelshaw I like the latest web 2.0 gizmos! ;0) #ukedchat

iamclairei 20:22 Twitterfall makes this so much easier! #ukedchatjohn_at_muuua 20:22

@didactylos oh dear, someone is going to say schools need to 'catch

up' in a minute #ukedchat

colport 20:22 @ianpocock Completely agree. Money pays! Just look at those in the

top jobs in gvt!!! #ukedchat It's been like that since the dawn of gvt.

Creativeedu 20:22Utopian School Education in 140: "providing young people with the

tools and skills for lifelong learning" #UkEdChat

Ideas_Factory 20:22

#ukedchat Sounds like more & more people getting educated away

from establishments-so what's the purpose of schools if not

education?

Mackers1969 20:22@philallman1 #ukedchat so will the powers that be learn from the

reviews they've commissioned?

jackieschneider 20:22@Mackers1969 @philallman1 - but the state will always put it's needs

first with any Ed system it organises #ukedchat

rmsimonwilliams 20:22 @dajbelshaw #ukedchat to be enabled to learn oneself, whether

through 'practicing' on select knowledge... damn, not enough chars...

dajbelshaw 20:22RT @cheersphilip: #ukedchat so refreshing to be tweeting about the

fundamentals, rather than latest web 2.0 gizmo

familysimpson 20:22

@TheHeadsOffice #ukedchat confidence to fail and to be proud at

having opportunity to fail, then learn to succeed!

Grevster73 20:22RT @jamesmichie: @AntHeald U might call it "real" maths. Apologies

to any maths teachers out there! :-) #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:22#ukedchat so refreshing to be tweeting about the fundamentals, rather

than latest web 2.0 gizmo

philallman1 20:22@Grevster73 that's why knowledge and knowing 'stuff' is irrelevant!

#ukedchat

raff31 20:23 #ukedchat The ability of a child to say, "I am that statistic"

bucharesttutor 20:23 @john_at_muuua yes Guess Math and literature does go hand in hand.

The more you write, the better you get #ukedchat

russdev 20:23To equip young people for the future. #ukedchat #purposed

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JOHNSAYERS 20:23 School feels like a firm now. Results improving rapidly life like an

organisation rather than school of individual practitioners #ukedchat

lordlumey 20:23Sever politics from education. Let professionals govern their own

profession. #ukedchat

MrAColley 20:23

RT @misterel: do we not want to develop inquisitive learners who ask

Why? What? When? How? rather than just 'doing' education to get agrade #ukedchat

jennitonic80 20:23

RT @jamesmichie: How about building a curriculum based on the

question: what do we want young people be able to do when they

leave school? #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:23 @dajbelshaw It is absolutely true, I struggled through maths every

single day but when I went to work I learned it sharpish. #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:23 RT @ebd35: @dajbelshaw @dughall #ukedchat #purposed to produce

emotionally, socially, economically viable citizens for the futurephilallman1 20:23

@curricadvocate expost as Brennan said 'that's Latin by the way'

#ukedchat

Mackers1969 20:23 @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat schools should be the foundation, main

instigators of equipping for learning which carries on after

theother66 20:23@mberry but what if the learner driven environment is managed by a

collective of learners? #ukedchat

albanystreet 20:23 @CliveBuckley @cheersphilip I think that goes to the heart of the

problem - sep of individuals from society - I blame Thatcher #ukedchat

bellaale 20:23 @Mackers1969 will they even listen? #ukedchat

MissSMitch 20:23 RT @CliveBuckley: I remember a song 'little boxes made out of ticky

tacky' -a fab song for highlighting possible mistakes! #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:23


Why? What? When? How? rather than just 'doing' education to get a

grade #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:23@jennitonic80 That's the purpose of education? To create better

managers? http://dajb.eu/erk3Yz #ukedchat

fredgarnett 20:23 RT @theokk: #ukedchat #purposed skills contextual to a givensituation, facts (if verified) a scaffold, hypothesis always a good leg up

Creativeedu 20:23RT @Grevster73: how can we educate the next generation when we

don't know what the future is? #ukedchat

richardsw16 20:23 RT @iamclairei: Twitterfall makes this so much easier! #ukedchat < I

second that. Can control speed and catch up later.

lisibo 20:23 RT @richardmillwood: #ukedchat wealth culture

citizenship fulfilment - cornerstones of reasons to learn

cheersphilip 20:23RT @misterel: do we not want to develop inquisitive learners who askWhy? What? When? How? rather than just 'doing' education to get a

grade #ukedchat

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Grevster73 20:23@philallman1 I think pupils should 'know' concepts, not facts per se

#ukedchat

PeacockMaths 20:23 @dajbelshaw #ukedchat #purposed

misterel 20:23

do we not want to develop inquisitive learners who ask Why? What?

When? How? rather than just 'doing' education to get a grade

#ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:23 @4goggas don;t we all, but this is a bit livlier! #ukedchat


@MissSMitch @Mackers1969 @philallman1 #ukedchat that's so true.

however, when your career rests on it, you want to be remembered.

#gove

ebd35 20:23 @dajbelshaw @dughall #ukedchat #purposed to produce emotionally,

socially, economically viable citizens for the future

jamesmichie 20:23 @jennitonic80 @dajbelshaw No way, totally disagree with that. Plenty

of gr8 teachers r excellent managers too. #ukedchat

MissSMitch 20:24RT @didactylos: #purposed #ukedchat schools often are a barrier tothat learning ----> as proven by many acknowledged 'successes' in

society

raff31 20:24 #ukedchat I was a 2a, now I'm a 3c

Mackers1969 20:24 #ukedchat oh heck too many tweets! it's the same for ed/health/police

etc. Political careers rest on them and always will.

cheersphilip 20:24 RT @dajbelshaw: RT If you had to sum up the purpose of education in

140 characters, how would you do it? #ukedchat #purposed

richardsw16 20:24



grade #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:24so what we need (despite my misgivings) is a way to make the current

system achieve those aims #ukedchat

didactylos 20:24 @tomfranklin I don't disagree, but I take exception to 'subjects' as a

method of delivery - they are meaningless boxes #purposed #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:24RT If you had to sum up the purpose of education in 140 characters,

how would you do it? #ukedchat #purposed

familysimpson 20:24

@jamesmichie @camaxwell maybe a naff structure but a little twisting

works wonders!! #ukedchat #edupunk57mason 20:24 @MissSMitch agreed, and philosopy #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:24#ukedchat #purposed to give baby something to do while mumy &

daddy at work? there's some truth it that tho!

AntHeald 20:24 @universityboy I can't argue with that. Should I be doing? Guess I was

saying that there's still some room for -ahem -"expertise" #ukedchat

SkoorBttaM 20:24



grade #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:24@MissSMitch #ukedchat - we should teach our children to participatein a democratic society. maybe some MPs would be ordinary folks

then!!

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john_at_muuua 20:24

on the one hand we are stuck in the current system, on the other we

ALL want out students to reach their potential and be happy.

#ukedchat

rmsimonwilliams 20:24 @curricadvocate #ukedchat personally, I agree with @jackieschneider

's comment a few mo's ago... but I do see some merit in 'Standards'

universityboy 20:25@AntHeald Agreed. Good news is, anyone can be an expert.Communicating that expertise is more difficult, but worth trying for.

#ukedchat

mikemcsharry 20:25@Smichael920 begs the question - how long is society needs current?

#ukedchat

jackieschneider 20:25 @cheersphilip @clivebuckley - unfortunately their needs are driven by

capitalism - ready supply of cheap labour, respect authority #ukedchat

4goggas 20:25

#ukedchat How about learning to know when its time to "stop &

stare?" Too much education is hectic, sausage stuffed & forced.

#ukedchat

Mackers1969 20:25 RT @Ideas_Factory: #ukedchat The purpose-for me-is to educate the

'whole' child-be it academic,creative,artistic or sporting.


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cheersphilip 20:25@MissSMitch but so many abject failures #purposed #ukedchat

Mackers1969 20:25@bellaale #ukedchat they might not listen but that doesn't mean we

shouldn't tell them anyway.

rmsimonwilliams 20:25 @curricadvocate #ukedchat ...and how do you assess those

"Standards" without a national comparative basis i.e. the curriculum?

oldandrewuk 20:25 #ukedchat The purpose of education is to make people cleverer.

Knowledge is the main, but not the only, component of cleverness.

dajbelshaw 20:26@jamesmichie What's 'intelligence' but a construct? Read some

Dweck! :-p #ukedchat

mosquitomax 20:26 #ukedchat Education: to produce a child capable of existing in a world

in which they control and and are responsible for.

Mackers1969 20:26 #ukedchat I'm told there was a great phone in on 5live where a callercompletely rang rings around #gove. If i get the link i'll post

curricadvocate 20:26 @rmsimonwilliams @jackieschneider #ukedchat a focus on standards

is essential - it means we keep striving for better for our kids...

nellmog 20:26 @universityboy but arn't some of the formal structures some of the

issue that stifle creative and inspirational teaching #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:26



grade #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:26 @cheersphilip To help students stand on their feet n make them aware

of their strengths n weaknesses #ukedchat #purposed

DianneSpencer 20:26

RT @DeputyMitchell: in the 8 minutes before #ukedchat why not listen

to Thomas and Liam discuss the situation in Egypt:

http://bit.ly/hWcLZM

theokk 20:26 @lisibo @dawnhallybone oral tradition v important, folk music and

languages can get us off to a good start there #ukedchat #purposed

jamesmichie 20:26 I don't care abt business or citizenship - 2 much focus on "contributionto society". How about creating nice intelligent ppl. #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:26 @jackieschneider industrial model of education. Sad that we no longer

have industry for the robots to go to #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:26

RT @dughall: RT @Smichael920: Ed should foster passion and

curiosity. Lifelong traits worth encouraging from an early age

#ukedchat

andreacarr1 20:26

RT @4goggas: #ukedchat How about learning to know when its time to

"stop & stare?" Too much education is hectic, sausage stuffed &

forced. #ukedchat

rmsimonwilliams 20:26@oldandrewuk #ukedchat aren't there quite a few "uneducated"

clever types about?!

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JOHNSAYERS 20:26

RT @geocollective: Love your geography? Be listed as

#OneOfOneThousandGeograhers by tweeting this #. #ukedchat

#edchat

curricadvocate 20:26 @rmsimonwilliams @jackieschneider #ukedchat whilst i agree, this is

morally wrong. teachers have duty to do what's right and usually do!

dughall 20:26 RT @Smichael920: Ed should foster passion and curiosity. Lifelong

traits worth encouraging from an early age #ukedchat

dughall 20:27

RT @didactylos: #purposed #ukedchat on the plains as a hunter you

learned how to hunt (skill) not how to hun (cont)

http://deck.ly/~zdHXy

familysimpson 20:27Off to the shops, hitting pause on #ukedchat to get my ladybird book

tokens!

MrAColley 20:27#ukedchat Big part should be doing what Claxton termed 'building

learning power'. Brain not up to speed tonight!

KnikiDavies 20:27 @didactylos #ukedchat But in the analogy you had the knowledge of

which footprints match which animal, what tools work best etc

curricadvocate 20:27 @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat agree. but to refer to @jackieschneider

if the standards are politically driven there is an issue (contd)

cheersphilip 20:27@Mackers1969 depends which side of fence you sit - tory bloggers

said Gove won hands down #ukedchat #gove

richardsw16 20:27@oldandrewuk #ukedchat how do we judge if someone is

"uneducated"? No qualifications?

lordlumey 20:27Purpose of education should be to create a sustainable society of

content and fulfilled individuals. #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:27enjoying reading #UkEdChat but struggling to know how to contribute

meaningfully!

rmsimonwilliams 20:27@curricadvocate #ukedchat can't argue with that! they're best placed

to!

Mackers1969 20:27 @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat a talented artist has as much worth as a

brilliant mathematician. Each contributes to society

dawnhallybone 20:27@theokk @lisibo learning from others that have gone before

important lessons there #ukedchat #purposed

albanystreet 20:27@mosquitomax Why is education just for children?! #ukedchat

OpenHSofUtah 20:27

RT @GeoCollective: Love your geography? Be listed as


#edchat #openhs #geog

JamiePortman 20:27 @jennitonic80 @jamesmichie Our learning vision is based around such

questions. That vision drives all developments in schl #ukedchat

colport 20:27 @ianpocock Speaks volumes. #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:27 @Mackers1969 Looking forward to that! #ukedchat #gove

JOHNSAYERS 20:27 How many work in a firm organisational run Academy? How is it?#ukedchat

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didactylos 20:27 #purposed #ukedchat on the plains as a hunter you learned how to

hunt (skill) not how to hunt one animal (knowledge) - skills = survival

4goggas 20:27 @DianneSpencer Too late. Its mad out here! ;0) #ukedchat

57mason 20:28 RT @dajbelshaw: OK. Half-way through. RT this: Are we heading in the

right direction? What *is* the right direction? #ukedchat

nellmog 20:28RT @dajbelshaw: Are we heading in the right direction? What *is* the

right direction? #ukedchat

CliveBuckley 20:28 RT @CliveBuckley: I genuinely believe that if we help children achieve

their potential then society will benefit #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:28

#ukedchat knowledge isn't everything, common sense passion,

enthusiasm play majorroles, quiteoften wehave knowledge butdon't

useit correctly

eirwenes 20:28

RT @dajbelshaw: RT @dughall: RT @Smichael920: Ed should foster

passion and curiosity. Lifelong traits worth encouraging from an earlyage #ukedchat

iamclairei 20:28 RT @dajbelshaw: OK. Half-way through. RT this: Are we heading in the


cheersphilip 20:28 RT @dajbelshaw: OK. Half-way through. RT this: Are we heading in the


universityboy 20:28 @nellmog For formal when talking about rigid rules, yes. But not for

formal when talking about learning with a purpose. #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:28@CreativeEdu #ukedchat - just pick one or two threads. say what you

think. it will make others think!!

mosquitomax 20:28 RT @CreativeEdu: enjoying reading #UkEdChat but struggling to know

how to contribute meaningfully!>> Me too, trying to set the table!

4goggas 20:28@dughall Ooo. @dughall did a deck'ly - is that allowed?? #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:28 I don't believe ppl have failed at edu if they r not financially successful

or don't make a contribution to society. #ukedchat

bellaale 20:28 RT @dajbelshaw: OK. Half-way through. RT this: Are we heading in the


Arakwai 20:28

And what do you need to do next? ;-) RT @rmsimonwilliams: RT

@raff31: #ukedchat I was a 2a, now I'm a 3c < hehehe, the briefest

summary yet!

bucharesttutor 20:28 @john_at_muuua Yes bang on again. Reading and writing the best and

the oldest learning skills known to man #ukedchat

AntHeald 20:28 Well, #ukedchat interesting, but my little girl wants a story. Now she'sfascinated by what I'm doing. How about that for #purposed?

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dajbelshaw 20:28OK. Half-way through. RT this: Are we heading in the right direction?

What *is* the right direction? #ukedchat

Mackers1969 20:28@Ideas_Factory #ukedchat mind you, some of my family would

disagree!

SkoorBttaM 20:29

RT @curricadvocate: @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat @jackieschneider

so the standards should be set by a body with some independence?

oops - we just got rid of them!

bellaale 20:29

RT @mosquitomax: RT @CreativeEdu: enjoying reading #UkEdChat

but struggling to know how to contribute meaning (cont)

http://deck.ly/~DxwM7

JamiePortman 20:29

@john_at_muuua Agreed. But schools do have felxibility to develop

learning experiences that develop holistically rounded students

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:29@philallman1 i want my students to be more than just competent.

#ukedchat

DeputyHeadDunn 20:29 #ukedchat Late joining tonight. evenin' all. Education simple to me: toprepare the children in our care for their future

MissSMitch 20:29@Grevster73 by teaching them how to learn - that way they can adapt

#ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:29 @raff31 it's progress :) #ukedchat


@rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat @jackieschneider so the standards

should be set by a body with some independence? oops - we just got

rid of them!

dajbelshaw 20:29RT Are we heading in the right direction? What *is* the right direction?

#ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:29RT Are we heading in the right direction? What *is* the right direction?

#ukedchat

dughall 20:29 @4goggas Wouldn't normally do a Deck'ly but it was a rushed RT of a

fab @didactylos tweet. Pls forgive. Ta ;-) #ukedchat

philallman1 20:29 Right direction - competency based curriculum - generates generic skill

base for adaptability! That is education #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:29

RT @CliveBuckley: RT @CliveBuckley: I genuinely believe that if we

help children achieve their potential then society will benefit

#ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:29@Mackers1969 I agree but is that happening consistently in schoolsnow? #ukedchat

jennitonic80 20:29 #ukedchat work in a school with fundamental independent thinking

skills missing. Makes academic subjects pointless. And kids know it

dirkvl 20:29

RT @fredgarnett: @CllrVickyMD RT @philallman1: I think #Gove is

abandoning an analogue curriculum in a digital age & going back to the

scriptorium #ukedchat

rmsimonwilliams 20:29

RT @dawnhallybone: learning from others that have gone before

important lessons there #ukedchat hence a good teacher = role

model?

john_at_muuua 20:29@bucharesttutor but does that mean education is by necessity just

repetition? #ukedchat

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theokk 20:29@Mackers1969 #ukedchat #purposed Leonardo was both .... and

inventor, and we need plumbers

universityboy 20:29@nellmog I didn't mean 'regulated' formal. Hope that makes sense. :)

#ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:30 @richardsw16 but how do you teach 'passion' #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:30 28 mins left. Second part of the question: Are we heading in the rightdirection? (What *is* the right direction?) #ukedchat

ebd35 20:30

RT @CliveBuckley: RT @CliveBuckley: I genuinely believe that if we

help children achieve their potential then society will benefit

#ukedchat

tutor2u 20:30 Education output: I'll go for: engrained work ethic; respect; emotional

intelligence; optimism; ambition & highly IT literate #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:30 RT @Mackers1969: @Ideas_Factory #ukedchat a talented artist has as

much worth as a brilliant mathematician. Each contributes to society

richardsw16 20:30 RT @Iris_Connect: #ukedchat common sense, passion, enthusiasm


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albanystreet 20:30 @jamesmichie I think education always produces contribution to

society, whether local, regional or national #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:31I think an important role of education is to teach us each to work with

our individual strengths #UkEdChat

dughall 20:31@cheersphilip You can't 'teach' passion. You model it. It is contagious.

#ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:31RT @philallman1: @cheersphilip abroad compency based curr means

skills not box ticking! #ukedchat

Ideas_Factory 20:31@dajbelshaw Sorry had to cut short a brilliant #ukedchat well done all

contributors-keep up the good work

dajbelshaw 20:31 RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat the right direction is one that gives our

pupils the best possible chance to succeed. that is a unique recipe.

DeputyHeadDunn 20:31#ukedchat Will we ever be heading in the right direction? All depends

on your interpretation of 'right'

4goggas 20:31 @dajbelshaw Is that us or education? #ukedchat. I'm a woman - I needthese things spelt out... ;0)

Grevster73 20:31 RT @cheersphilip: @richardsw16 but how do you teach 'passion'

#ukedchat


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firecrackercde 20:32

RT @dajbelshaw: RT @curricadvocate: #ukedchat the right direction is

one that gives our pupils the best possible chance to succeed. that is a

unique recipe.

cheersphilip 20:32 @MrAColley a bit elitist this, but maybe only a few people are ever

going to be capable of changing things on global scale? #ukedchat

Smichael920 20:32 In many ways we still have a system that's about producing factory

workers. Certain facts 4 memorisation & hoops 2 jump thro #ukedchat

DeputyHeadDunn 20:32#ukedchat And we'll never all agree on what is completely 'right'!!

bellaale 20:32 #ukedchat the right direction is one that gives pupils best possible

chance 2 succeed. a unique recipe > yes - no "one-size-fits-all"

4goggas 20:32 #ukedchat. No. WE ARE NOT

universityboy 20:32#ukedchat Our job, everyone's job, is to make sure everyone else can

choose their own direction without fear.lordlumey 20:32 @MrAColley Exactly! I completely agree. #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:32 @philallman1 our bar is far too low. aiming to give students

'competent' or 'functional' skills rather than understanding. #ukedchat

Mackers1969 20:32 #ukedchat sorry folks-enjoying this but gov report and much besides is

calling. See folks in Chesterfiled on 3rd March. TTFN

Iris_Connect 20:32 @richardsw16 right but equipping children with effective tools,

ideaologies, beliefs and confidence is a great edu ukedchat

philallman1 20:32@cheersphilip I didn't say anything about the workplace! #ukedchat

richardsw16 20:32RT @cheersphilip: @richardsw16 but how do you teach 'passion'

#ukedchat


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dajbelshaw 20:32 @4goggas Education in the UK. ;-) #ukedchat

AntHeald 20:32@richardsw16 She likes your avatar, but thinks it's Thomas the Tank

Engine? Hyperextension? #ukedchat

curricadvocate 20:32 @jackieschneider @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat - so we have to

ensure we claim it back. did we know what we were colluding with?

universityboy 20:32 #ukedchat Right direction for education is each individual going in own

direction that inspires, excites & furthers their horizon.

cheersphilip 20:32 @philallman1 succeed in workplace? No-one knows what that's going

to look like by the time they leave schl #ukedchat

philallman1 20:33

competency is not competent - semantics perhaps but skills cn B

attained at a multitude of levels #ukedchat tr (cont)

http://deck.ly/~pTAWU


@MissSMitch @john_at_muuua #ukedchat - and someone is always at

the bottom. those at bottom now would have been near top 10 yrsago?

Mackers1969 20:33#ukedchat will still check in background! Hurrah for bin men (&

women)curricadvocate

Nevagonnabslim 20:33You don't teach passion you nurture it and develop it until the learner

becomes the teacher #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:33

RT @DeputyMitchell: #ukedchat learning should be real & relevant to

each child, that way learning continues out of school time as it's

challenging/interesting

russdev 20:33 @tomfranklin ok "To equip people for the future" as even if took a

class at 70 you are still improving your future. #purposed #ukedchat

didactylos 20:33 @tomfranklin #purposed #ukedchat to what extent are the languages

of specialism a way of preserving the guilds of the subjects?

john_at_muuua 20:33 @mosquitomax ironically so were we... everyone said something

different which amounted to 'work hard'! #ukedchat

jennitonic80 20:33RT @dughall: @cheersphilip You can't 'teach' passion. You model it. It

is contagious. #ukedchat

rmsimonwilliams 20:33 #ukedchat so you can define what is right, by eliminating the wrong(kind of the point of the discussion) what is the wrong path?!

mattbuxton10 20:33

@curricadvocate #ukedchat standards are essential, but who should

set them? banks 'important' enough to self-regulate, what about

education?

cheersphilip 20:33@MrAColley actually that was totally elitist. never mind #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:33 @tutor2u What, based on genetic determinism? #ukedchat

jackieschneider 20:33

#ukedchat - what should teachers do when we know gov policy

actually damages "true" purpose of education? Shut door & do our

own thing?

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universityboy 20:33

RT @dajbelshaw: I have *never* met anyone who's solely learned

from the mistakes of others. Nice idea, doesn't work. #ukedchat

#purposed

richardsw16 20:33RT @dughall: @cheersphilip You can't 'teach' passion. You model it. It

is contagious. #ukedchat

DeputyMitchell 20:33 #ukedchat learning should be real & relevant to each child, that waylearning continues out of school time as it's challenging/interesting

albanystreet 20:33@MrAColley How far has it caused it? Or permitted it to continue?

#ukedchat

ebd35 20:33 RT @Grevster73: RT @cheersphilip: @richardsw16 but how do you

teach 'passion' #ukedchat


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fredgarnett 20:34

RT @john_at_muuua: we're stuck in current system & we ALL want

students to reach potential #ukedchat Can be done

http://slidesha.re/hCJ6MH

albanystreet 20:34 Right direction won't be set while there is still the inspection and

league table driven model of education #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:34RT @Nevagonnabslim: You don't teach passion you nurture it anddevelop it until the learner becomes the teacher #ukedchat


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4goggas 20:35 #ukedchat Smorgasboard of courses in an environment , online or

physical where people can pick up, put down what interests.

cheersphilip 20:35 @andreacarr1 I'm quite samey #ukedchat

richardsw16 20:35

RT @Creativeedu: RT @Nevagonnabslim: You don't teach passion you

nurture it and develop it until the learner becomes the teacher

#ukedchat


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dawnhallybone 20:36

RT @geocollective: Love your geography? Be listed as


#edchat


@mattbuxton10 #ukedchat - and we're just getting rid of one of the

independent bodies who regulates to replace with a DfE

group...#quango

jamesmichie 20:36 @DeputyHeadDunn Thanks, will be part of my #500words #purposedblog post. #ukedchat

albanystreet 20:36 @cheersphilip @richardsw16 Take funding out - look at who is best to

provide the learning - let the funding follow them #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:36If you think we're *not* heading in the right direction, what are your

*specific* objections? #ukedchat

susanbanister 20:36

RT @andreacarr1: Society/edu needs to recognise that we all hve

different levels of potential in diff areas of life/work. We are not all the

same. #ukedchat

richardsw16 20:37 #ukedchat Use children's passions within existing curriculum - not justteacher's chosen topics.

dajbelshaw 20:37 RT @Dotgi: They can only be passionate about things they find out

about. Education should show them the way to get there. #ukedchat

MissSMitch 20:37

@JamiePortman: schls do hv flexibility 2 develop learning exp that

develop holistically rounded sdnts. #ukedchat


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MrAColley 20:37#ukedchat object to the absolute focus on one definition of

intelligence.

Grevster73 20:37independent thinking is a crucial skill then whatever direction the

world takes, people are prepared #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:37 RT @jamesmichie: @DeputyMitchell True. That is something else that

bugs me - we need to be able to let kids fail at things. #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:37@bucharesttutor so brainwashing is the future of education!?

#ukedchat ;-)

jamesmichie 20:37@DeputyMitchell True. That is something else that bugs me - we need

to be able to let kids fail at things. #ukedchat

bucharesttutor 20:38 @john_at_muuua By brain washing I meant repeated calls of the value

if education n making it compulsory for every child #ukedchat ;)

ianpocock 20:38

@colport @ianpocock Children from poor homes are nearly a year

behind when they start school and two years behind by age 14

#ukedchatdajbelshaw 20:38

@lordlumey Isn't (main) purpose of primary education literacy and

numeracy? (seriously!) #ukedchat

didactylos 20:38#purposed #ukedchat you discover your own passion, then apply the

skills you have to enjoy it

cheersphilip 20:38 @john_at_muuua LOL #ukedchat

bellaale 20:38@richardsw16 thanks for Twitterfall tip! much better! #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:38@cheersphilip now you know how our students feel dude! ;-)

#ukedchat

ukedchat 20:38 Worried about the #ukedchat archive tonight with these new longer

tweetdeck tweets! Should be interesting! 20 minutes remain!!!

ebd35 20:38@curricadvocate but how does one teach hope if everywhere else in

their life there is little #ukedchat

mosquitomax 20:38#ukedchat perhaps school should be the "sandbox" in which we learn

how to fail, then overcome our limitations

57mason 20:38education = social justice, no one gets left behind#ukedchat

rmsimonwilliams 20:38#ukedchat wonder what will come after all the students get A*'s at A-

Level... A**'s? hmm...

Smichael920 20:38 Education shouldn't b passive, done 2 u should b active & engaging.

Create ownership of learner over process #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:38 @richardsw16 but current teachers are note equipped to handle the

dynamisysm (spelling?) of that environment #ukedchat

susanbanister 20:38@jennitonic80 I agree. We need to instill belief and confidence in

individuals #ukedchat

jamesmichie 20:38

RT @JamiePortman: I hope all those contributing to #ukedchat tonight

are positively driving change in their own school circumstances. IF

NOT, WHY NOT?

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lordlumey 20:38 More than anything else, the purpose of primary education is to open

kids' eyes to all that interesting stuff out there. #ukedchat

watfordpete 20:38 @mberry Yes. Most 16 y olds I saw accepted curriculum school gave

them. Could not see that they could own it #ukedchat

Ergotron 20:38RT @Dawnhallybone @geocollective: Love your geography? Be listedas #OneOfOneThousandGeograhers by tweeting this #. #ukedchat

#edchat

curricadvocate 20:38 @CreativeEdu #ukedchat should we define the problems that we learn

to solve? Can you teach skills without content?

Grevster73 20:38Are all children entitled to the same education? If so, who decides

what that is? #ukedchat

dughall 20:38 @ebd35 Hope, like passion, is another thing that isn't so much taught

as modelled and drawn out/nurtured imo #ukedchat

JamiePortman 20:38 I hope all those contributing to #ukedchat tonight are positively driving

change in their own school circumstances. IF NOT, WHY NOT?

Iris_Connect 20:38How can we provide the right path for every child in every lesson?

#ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:38 I'm getting lost ! #ukedchat

dughall 20:39 @ebd35 I appreciate that. #ukedchat

NinaFCollins 20:39@CliveBuckley Totally admire your passion for education.#ukedchat

lisibo 20:39 @john_at_muuua @dajbelshaw - exactly. But it can be painful and kids

need to experience failure to be able to cope with it. #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:39RT @cheersphilip: @andreacarr1 weeeell, maybe I'm a bit special!

#ukedchat >We all are!

cheersphilip 20:39 @mberry to a certain level, yes #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:39 De Bono thinking from the 70s still has great value! Do we need to

reinvent t wheel or select a better tool box of self skilling? #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:39 RT @mberry: generally it's in the state's best interests to have an

educated populace. I think this is still true here, yes? #ukedchat

dawnhallybone 20:39@dajbelshaw is there one direction that is right for all? #ukedchat

#purposed

jackieschneider 20:39

RT @Smichael920: In many ways we still have a system that's about

producing factory workers. Certain facts 4 memorisation & hoops 2

jump thro #ukedchat

albanystreet 20:39 @Grevster73 I would argue they are all entitled to the same

opportunity not necessarily the same content / delivery #ukedchat

ebd35 20:39@dughall but not enough hours in the day to do this for some :o(

#ukedchat

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mberry 20:39 @rmsimonwilliams generally it's in the state's best interests to have an

educated populace. I think this is still true here, yes? #ukedchat

nellmog 20:39 @JamiePortman yes I keep banging my head against that brick wall but

I will keep trying to make people think #ukedchat

Creativeedu 20:39 @curricadvocate I think it depends what type of person you are... I am

happy to solve a problem I can't quite define... #UkEdChat

universityboy 20:39

#ukedchat Education is for helping others understand they don't

*have* to be right. Long to be wrong. @dougald says that. I agree with

him.

dajbelshaw 20:39 RT @mosquitomax: #ukedchat perhaps school should be the

"sandbox" in which we learn how to fail, then overcome our limitations

AntHeald 20:39 RT @lordlumey: Society not short of ICT, lit or maths skills: short ofcompassion.That's where ed should be headed. #ukedchat


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jamesmichie 20:40 @jennitonic80 I think that home life perspective is often neglected in

these debates. That is why we nd a ppl centered curriculum. #ukedchat


@jackieschneider @rmsimonwilliams #ukedchat harsh but fair

assessment of the profession with regards to league tables.

#fightforwhatisright

dawnhallybone 20:40 as samuel beckett said we should be teaching children to fail better#ukedchat

rmsimonwilliams 20:40 @mberry #ukedchat totally - but I guess if it's paid for by the state,

they decide what it consists of; if not, then freedom to choose?

cheersphilip 20:40@mberry but I don't think they know how to achieve this objective!

#ukedchat

lostmoya 20:40 RT @TerryWassall Education is a process that reproduces society.

What it is *for* depends on what sort of society you want #ukedchat

JfB57 20:40 RT @Grevster73: Are all children entitled to the same education? If so,

who decides what that is? #ukedchat >Strange question!

universityboy 20:40

@dawnhallybone @dajbelshaw We're all heading in a different

direction. Doesn't mean we all reach different destinations. #ukedchat

#purposed

PhilWheeler1 20:40 RT @tutor2u: I think we've just changed direction - down a back lane

towards the 1950s. Blame Gove's faulty sat nav #ukedchat

DeputyHeadDunn 20:40 RT @DeputyHeadDunn: @dajbelshaw @lordlumey Absolutely Literacy

and numeracy. First and foremost #ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:40 @bucharesttutor what of art and freedom? fearful of a Japanese style

system so perfect that creativity is on the backburner. #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:40 RT @dawnhallybone: Is there one direction that is right for all?

#ukedchat #purposed


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JamiePortman 20:41

@MissSMitch Yep. Should be ongoing and hand in hand to drive up

standards. It begins in everyday practice. 'Got stuck?' 'C3B4ME'

#ukedchat

rashush2 20:41 #ukedchat tired of being told by management my kids are failing even

when they've gone up a level in a year. Not the point.

mosquitomax 20:41RT @DeputyHeadDunn: RT @dawnhallybone: as samuel beckett saidwe should be teaching children to fail better #ukedchat> Absolutely!

Again!!

PhilWheeler1 20:41 RT @Nevagonnabslim: You don't teach passion you nurture it and

develop it until the learner becomes the teacher #ukedchat

MrAColley 20:41RT @john_at_muuua: @lisibo as with many things, coping with failure

should be a life skill. #ukedchat

TheHeadsOffice 20:41RT @dawnhallybone: @dajbelshaw is there one direction that is right

for all? #ukedchat #purposed >I'd say no

DeputyHeadDunn 20:41 RT @dawnhallybone: as samuel beckett said we should be teaching

children to fail better #ukedchat> Absolutely! Again!!

cheersphilip 20:41 @didactylos yep, nice idea #purposed #ukedchat

JOHNSAYERS 20:41 Do we tinker too much with education practice and not give pupils

enough practice time in certain skills? #ukedchat

universityboy 20:41 RT @dajbelshaw: @lordlumey My son's interested in equivalent

fractions. He just calls them pizza slices and bits of cake. ;-) #ukedchat

SkoorBttaM 20:41

RT @DeputyMitchell: #ukedchat learning should be real & relevant to

each child, that way learning continues out of school time as it's

challenging/interesting

ebd35 20:41RT @bellaale: @richardsw16 thanks for Twitterfall tip! much better!

#ukedchat

cultmidia 20:41

RT @mberry: The right direction is the one which makes things best for

society, not merely for the individual. These ends aren't incompatible.

#ukedchat

didactylos 20:41

@tomfranklin aaargh, ok our skills and mores direct the passion to

reading about the subject.... (squirming on that one) #purposed

#ukedchat

john_at_muuua 20:41@lisibo as with many things, coping with failure should be a life skill.#ukedchat

susanbanister 20:41

RT @Smichael920: Educn shouldn't b passive, done 2 u should b active

& engaging. Create ownership of learner over process #ukedchat >oh

yes

fredgarnett 20:41 @john_at_muuua I've watched yours http://muuua.com/ have you

watched mine? http://slidesha.re/hCJ6MH #ukedchat

SallyGimson 20:42

RT @Smichael920: In many ways we still have a system that's about

producing factory workers. Certain facts 4 memorisation & hoops 2

jump thro #ukedchat

ebd35 20:42@curricadvocate agree completely which is why listening is so

important and not cramming for exams #ukedchat

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DeputyMitchell 20:42

@DeputyHeadDunn @dajbelshaw @jamesmichie Failing and coping

with it (bouncebackability) will be much more important in future!

#ukedchat

philallman1 20:42@mberry but if that alternative is only offered for the few how is that

fair? #ukedchat

jennitonic80 20:42 @JamiePortman no. because there are too many idiots above me whodon't practise what they preach. Frustrating. #ukedchat

Iris_Connect 20:42

RT @dajbelshaw: RT @CliveBuckley: To decide what education should

be - what do you want for your children? #ukedchat


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cheersphilip 20:42RT @andreacarr1: @TheHeadsOffice @cheersphilip #ukedchat. Group

hug :)

jackieschneider 20:42#ukedchat - to learn is to be human. Our education "should" equip us

for this but too often it acts as a barrier

bucharesttutor 20:43 RT @ethinking: #ukedchat - let children be children - let them gorw

and play - we can heap them up with neuroses and anxiety later

JOHNSAYERS 20:43 KS3 - KS4 are we brave enough to keep teaching skills or do people get

dragged into the content drive too much? #ukedchat

dajbelshaw 20:43@TomFranklin That's what we're debating. ;-) #ukedchat #purposed

cheersphilip 20:43RT @richardsw16: RT @dajbelshaw: RT @mberry: educated populace

>> Who decides

this?

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MissSMitch 20:43 @JamiePortman I agree completely - think some people may see it as

a barrier though and drive content at expense of skills #ukedchat

familysimpson 20:44 And I'm back in the room #ukedchat

Grevster73 20:44

RT @mosquitomax: RT @theokk: think we should to see education as

an ecosystem (of learning) rather than a roadmap #ukedchat

#purposed >> Nice.

Joga5 20:44@dajbelshaw sadly at gig between sets reading #ukedchat stream!!! A

great discussion to catch up on 2moro!!

cheersphilip 20:44

RT @mosquitomax: RT @theokk: think we should to see education as

an ecosystem (of learning) rather than a roadmap #ukedchat

#purposed >> Nice.

DeputyHeadDunn 20:44 @DeputyMitchell @dajbelshaw @jamesmichie Bouncebackability -

getting that into my assembly tomorrow! #ukedchat

cheersphilip 20:44

RT @CliveBuckley: RT @rmsimonwilliams: #ukedchat @dajbelshaw

@CliveBuckley - if you were a kid, what would you want?! To allow meto explore what I loved

mosquitomax 20:44 RT @theokk: think we should to see education as an ecosystem (of

learning) rather than a roadmap #ukedchat #purposed >> Nice.

dajbelshaw 20:44

RT @didactylos: RT @theokk: think we should to see education as an

ecosystem (of learning) rather than a roadmap #ukedchat #purposed


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john_at_muuua 20:44

RT @ethinking: #ukedchat - let children be children - let them gorw

and play - we can heap them up with neuroses and anxiety later

AGREED

jennitonic80 20:44 @rmsimonwilliams @lordlumey #ukedchat and then ruin all that hard

work at primary by sending them thru secondary system

DeputyMitchell 20:44 @richardsw16 Agree entirely!!! #ukedchat!

mattbuxton10 20:44

@IRIS_Connect #ukedchat should we be 'providing' the right path, or

giving them the map & compass and setting them off on their own

path?

janwebb21 20:45 RT @dawnhallybone: @theokk @lisibo learning from oth

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