Watchtower: Jury Trial Day 9, Candace Conti v. Watchtower

8/20/2019 Watchtower: Jury Trial Day 9, Candace Conti v. Watchtower

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1 S U PE RI O R C O UR T O F C A LI F OR N IA

2 C OU N TY O F A L AM E DA

3 B E FO R E T HE H O NO R AB L E J U DG E R O BE R T M C GU I NE S S

4 DEPARTMENT 22

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7 JANE DOE, ) No. HG115588324)

8 Plaintiff, )) A SS IG NE D F OR A LL P UR PO SE S T O

9 v. ) JUDGE ROBERT McGUINESS,) DE PA RT ME NT 22

10 W A TC H TO W ER B I BL E A N D )T RA CT S OC IE TY O F N EW )11 YORK, INC., a )

c o rp o ra t io n , e t a l ., )12 )

Defendants. )13 )

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19 ATKINSON-BAKER, INC.COURT REPORTERS

20 (800) 288-3376www.depo.com

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1 A P P E A R A N C E S:

2 F O R T H E P L AI N TI F F:

3 F U RT A DO , J A SP O VI C E & S I MO N S

4 B Y: R IC K SI MO NS , ES Q.

5 B Y: K EL LY K R AE TS CH , E SQ .

6 2 2 27 4 M a in S t re e t

7 H a yw a rd , C A 9 45 4 1

8 Tel: 510-582-1080

9 Fax: 510-582-8254

10 E m ai l : K e ll y k@ f js l aw . co m

11 Em a il : R i ck @ fj s la w .c o m

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13 F O R T H E D E FE N DA N TS :

14 T H E N O RT H F R EM O NT C O NG R EG A TI O N O F

15 JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

16 T HE M cC AB E L AW F IR M

17 B Y: J AM ES M . M cC AB E, E SQ .

18 4 81 7 S an ta M on ic a A ve , S ui te B

19 S an D ie go , C A 9 21 07

20 Tel: 619-224-2848

21 Fax: 619-224-0089

22 E m ai l : J i m@ m cc a be l aw . ne t

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1 APPEARANCES (CONTINUED)

2 F O R T H E D E FE N DA N T:

3 T H E W A TC H TO WE R B I BL E A N D T R AC T S O CI E TY

4 O F N E W Y O R K, I NC .

5 J A CK S ON L E WI S , L L P

6 B Y: R OB ER T S CH NA CK , E SQ .

7 8 01 K S tr ee t, S ui te 2 30 0

8 S a cr a me n to , C A 9 5 81 4

9 T e l: ( 9 16 ) 3 4 1- 0 40 4

10 F a x: ( 9 16 ) 3 4 1- 0 14 1

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1 JUNE 12, 2012 8:36 A.M.

2 PROCEEDINGS

3 T HE C OU RT : A ll ri gh t. Ba ck o n t he r ec or d

4 t ha t t he m at te r o f C on ti v er su s T he W at ch to we r B ib le a nd

5 Tr act S oc ie ty N ew Yo rk , I nc. e t a l. Th e j ury ha s - -

6 f ir st o f a ll , M r. H ue y i s y ou r f or ep er so n.

7 H e h as r eq ue st ed t he c ou rt a s f ol lo ws :

8 "On May 29th, Elders Michael Clarke

9 and Gary Abrahamson were directly examined by

10 the Plaintiff's attorney. The congregation

11 sent a letter, Plaintiff's Number 9 letter,

12 f ro m N or th - - a nd t he n C on gr eg at io n B od y o f

13 E ld er s - - T he Wa tc ht ow er B od y o f E ld er s f or

14 direction and guidance.

15 What were the documented and/or

16 undocumented responses and instructions from

17 t he W at ch to we r B od y o f E ld er s t o t he N or th

18 Congregation?"

19 I h av en 't h ad a ch an ce t o r es ea rc h th is . I

20 r ec al l t h e l et te r i n D ec em be r o f 1 99 3. W as t he re n ot a

21 response letter that's in evidence?

22 M R. S IM ON S: T he r es po ns e l et te r i s n ot i n

23 evidence because after the redactions there is really

24 n ot hi ng l ef t o f i t.

25 M R. S CH NA CK : I th in k th e an sw er is " no , it


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1 i s n ot i n e vi de nc e. "

2 M R. S IM ON S: So , n o, i t is no t in e vi de nc e

3 then.

4 THE COURT: Okay. So -- I have got my

5 s ho ul de rs s q ua re d u p. N ic e w or k, M r . S im on s. S o l et 's

6 go back.

7 A nd I w il l go to t he P la in tif f fi rs t. Wh at

8 w ou ld b e y ou r s ug ge st io n a s t o h ow t o r es po nd t o t ha t

9 request?

10 M R. S IM ON S: Y ou r H on or , t he re i s t es ti mo ny

11 f ro m M r. A br ah am so n a t p ag e 9 0, o f t he t ra ns cr ip t, l in e

12 2 5, t o p a ge 9 1, l in e 1 8 .

13 T HE C OU RT : Y ou 'r e a l it tl e q ui ck , M r.

14 S im on s, t hi s m or ni ng . S o p ag e 9 0.

15 M R. S IM ON S: N in et y, l in e 2 5, t o 9 1, l in e 1 8.

16 A nd t he re i s t es ti mo ny f ro m M r. C la rk e o n t he s ub je ct a t

17 p ag e 1 83 o f t he t ra ns cr ip t, l in e 2 4 t hr ou gh - - p ag e 1 84

18 l in e 5 ; 1 8 3, l in e 2 4 t o 1 84 , l in e 5 ; a nd a ls o f ro m p a ge

19 1 90 f ro m l in es 4 t hr ou gh 8 .

20 T HE C OU RT : D ef en se c ou ns el , a ny t ho ug ht s?

21 M R. S CH NA CK : T he re is n o le tt er . Th er e is

22 n o e x hi bi t. W e h a ve n' t s e en t he t es ti mo ny .

23 T HE C OU RT : W el l, yo u go t me ce nt er ed . I w as

24 j us t g oi ng b y m em or y, n on -a dm is si bi li ty a s t o l et te r o f

25 December of 1993 is my recollection.


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1 T he w ay I w ou ld an sw er i t i s to s ay t ha t - - I

2 w ou ld r ef er t he m t ha t t he re i s t es ti mo ny r eg ar di ng t he

3 s am e w it ho ut n ec es sa ri ly d ir ec ti ng o nt o w h o m. T ha t m ay

4 b e t he s ub je ct o f r ea d b ac k i f t he y w er e t o r eq ue st i t.

5 N ow , i s t he re a ny o bj ec ti on i f I a ns we r i t

6 that way?

7 A nd I w il l g iv e t he d ef en se a l it tl e t im e t o

8 t ak e a l oo k a t t ha t t es ti mo ny t ha t t he y a sk ed f or

9 b ec au se - - y ou k no w, I h av e a lr ea dy g iv en i ns tr uc ti on

10 ho w t o as k fo r a r ea d ba ck , i f th ey h av e a w it ne ss i n

11 m in d o r a s pe ci fi c t op ic o r w ha tn ot .

12 B ut , i f y ou w ou ld l ik e, w e c an - - c er ta in ly

13 M r. S im on s c ou ld h el p d ir ec t y ou t o t he q uo te s h e g av e

14 you.

15 M R. S CH NA CK : I f w e c ou ld s ee i t, t ha t w ou ld

16 be great.

17 MR. SIMONS: Yes. Sure. I have got it right

18 here.

19 T HE C OU RT : B ut th e wa y I w ou ld a ns we r it is

20 t o s ay , t he re h as b ee n t es ti mo ny a bo ut t he b od y o f

21 e ld er s' r ep ly w hi ch m ay b e r eq ue st ed o n r ea d b ac k.

22 M R. S CH NA CK : I w ou ld l ik e t o s ee w he th er

23 there was testimony first, so...

24 T HE C OU RT : F ai r e no ug h. So l et 's ta ke a

25 moment.


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1 ( O ff t h e r e co r d)

2 TH E CO URT : B ac k on t he re co rd . I w ou ld

3 r ep ly a s t o d oc um en te d r es po ns es , t ha t t he re a re n o

4 d oc um en te d r e sp on se s i n e vi de nc e. D o w e a gr ee o n t h at ?

5 M R. S IM ON S: Y es .

6 M R. S CH NA CK : Y es .

7 TH E CO URT : A ll r ig ht. No w, t he re 's th e

8 s ec on d p ro ng a s t o w he th er t he re i s u nd oc um en te d

9 r es po ns es a nd i ns tr uc ti on s; i .e ., t es ti mo ny a s t o h ow I

10 w i ll i n te r pr e t t h at .

11 S o I h av e n ot s ee n t he r ef er en ce d t es ti mo ny

12 f r om M r . S i m o ns t o d e fe n se c o un s el .

13 M R. S CH NA CK : Y ou r H on or , M r. S im on s

14 r ef er en ce d t es ti mo ny t o M r. A br ah am so n o n p ag e 9 0, l in e

15 2 5, t o p a ge 9 1, l in e 1 8 .

16 T h at i s n ot r e sp o ns i ve .

17 B ut t he t es ti mo ny h e r ef er en ce d f ro m M r.

18 C la rk e a t p ag e 1 83 , l in e 2 4 t o p ag e 1 84 , l in e 5 ; a nd o n

19 p ag e 1 90 l in es 4 t o 8 i s r es po ns iv e.

20 TH E CO URT : M r. S im ons . D o yo u ag re e or

21 d is ag re e a s t o - -

22 M R. S IM ON S: W el l, a gr ee w it h t he p ar t w he re

23 t he y a g re ed w it h m e. I d is ag re e o n t he A br ah am so n

24 t es ti mo ny , b ec au se h e s ay s - - t he q ue st io n i s:

25 " W hy w e re y o u r e po r ti n g t h is t o W a tc h to w er


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1 New York?"

2 A nd t he a ns we r w as :

3 "To get direction."

4 And then:

5 " In a ll o f y ou r w or k a s a n e ld er t ha t

6 i nv ol ve s a ny th in g i n t hi s t yp e o f m at te r, yo u

7 would get your direction and instruction from

8 N ew Y or k. C or re ct ?

9 A nd t he a ns we r w as :

10 " In a l ot o f t he se c as es t ha t l eg al

11 matters are involved, we are always encouraged

12 t o c al l t he le ga l d ep ar tm en t b ec au se ho w c ou ld

13 w e k no w a ll t he l aw s?

14 And the testimony continues:

15 " Yo u s ai d y ou w er e e nc ou ra ge d t o c al l

16 N ew Y or k. W er e y ou r eq ui re d? "

17 A nd h e s ai d:

18 " Yo u m ig ht p ut i t t ha t w ay ."

19 T HE C OU RT : Y ou w er e w ha t?

20 M R. S IM ON S: R e qu ir ed . H e s ai d " en co ur ag ed ."

21 A nd I s ai d:

22 " Yo u a ct ua ll y w er e r eq ui re d t o c al l

23 New York?"

24 A nd h e s ai d:

25 " Yo u m ig ht p ut i t t ha t w ay ."


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1 I s ai d:

2 "I didn't put it that way. Do you

3 agree?"

4 A nd h e s ai d:

5 " I a gr ee t ha t y ou p ut i t t ha t w ay ."

6 A nd I s ai d:

7 " Do y ou a gr ee t ha t y ou w er e r eq ui re d

8 t o c al l N ew Y or k? "

9 A nd h e s ai d: " Ye s. "

10 M R. S CH NA CK : S o t he d if fe re nc e, I t hi nk , i s

11 t hi s c o nv er sa ti on i s a b ou t c a ll in g N e w Y o rk . A nd t he

12 q ue st io n c om es f ro m t he j ur y a bo ut a d oc um en t.

13 THE COURT: Well, it's not. It says

14 undocumented also.

15 M R. S CH NA CK : B ut a n u nd oc um en te d r es po ns e,

16 I t s ay s, n ot t ha t t he c al l w as m ad e.

17 T HE C OU RT : I t hi nk w e a re s pl it ti ng h ai rs a

18 li ttl e b it on t hat . G iv e m e a se co nd a nd I wi ll t el l

19 y ou h ow I 'm g oi ng t o r es po nd t o t hi s.

20 A nd , a ga in , I 'm n ot l oo ki ng a t t he w ri tt en

21 terms, that was testimony from Messrs. Clarke and

22 Abrahamson?

23 M R. S IM ON S: Y es . A ct ua ll y, C la rk e i s t he

24 on e w e ag re ed o n. A br ah am so n i s th e o ne --

25 T HE C OU RT : T he re a re n o d oc um en te d r es po ns es


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1 i n e v id e nc e a s t o u n do c um e nt ed r e sp o ns e s.

2 M e ss r s. C l ar k e a n d A b ra h am so n t e st i fi e d a bo u t s a yi n g,

3 a nd y ou c an r eq ue st r ea d b ac k a s r el at ed a nd t he

4 i n st r uc t io n s g i ve n w h ic h s ay p e rs o n, c o nt en t a n d

5 whatnot.

6 M R. S CH NA CK : Y ou r H on or , p er ha ps t he w ay t o

7 s ho rt -c ir cu it , j us t s o w e d on 't h av e t o c om e b ac k i n a n

8 ho ur a nd h av e t ha t r ead b ac k. The y' re s o s hort . W hy

9 n ot r ea d t he r es po ns es - - h av e t he c ou rt r ep or te r r ea d

10 t he r es po ns es t o t he j ur y?

11 T HE C OU RT : T ha t' s f in e w it h t hi s j ud ge .

12 N ow , t ha t g oe s t o p ro ce ss a s t o h ow w e d o r ea d b ac k.

13 A nd d o y ou h av e a ny d ru th er s?

14 W ha t I g en er al ly d o, i n a r eq ue st l ik e t hi s,

15 as l on g as w e ag ree d as t o wh at y ou re ad t o th e ju ry

16 d ir ec tl y, i f y ou a gr ee a s t o w ha t s he w il l r ea d.

17 MR . SI MON S: I fi nd i t eas ie r fo r th e co urt

18 t o t ak e t he c ou rt r ep or te r t o t he j ur y r at he r t ha n t ak e

19 t he j ur y t o t he c ou rt r ep or te r.

20 T HE C OU RT : I c an 't h av e t ha t e ve ry w hi ch

21 w ay . A nd i f i t i s r e al ly s op hi st ic at ed s tu ff a nd

22 co nt en t i s r eal ly a t i ssu e, I w ill d o t hat . B ut on a

23 r eq ue st l ik e t hi s w he re w e h av e b ee n p ro vi de d v er y

24 s pe ci fi c r ea d b ac k, I h av e n o o bj ec ti on .

25 A n y o b je c ti o n t o m a da m e r e po r te r r e ad i ng t h e


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1 r es po ns es r ef er en ce d? I w an te d t o m ak e t h e r e c or d r i g ht

2 n ow a s t o r ef er en ce s o i t i s c le an , b ec au se I k no w t ha t

3 t he re i s t ra ns la ti on i n p ag e a nd l in es .

4 M R. S CH NA CK : T ha t w as g oi ng t o b e my p oi nt

5 t ha t. I t r ea ll y n ee ds t o b e s pe ci fi c.

6 T HE C OU RT : W e' re g oi ng t o d o t ha t r ig ht n ow ,

7 b ec au se o f t h e t r an sl at io na l s t uf f. S o I w ou ld r ep ly

8 otherwise now as follows:

9 "There are no documented responses in

10 e vi de nc e. M ad am e r ep or te r w il l r ea d b ac k t he

11 germane responses of Messrs. Clarke and

12 Abrahamson."

13 A ll r ig ht . N ow , p ar t of t he bu rd en i s no w o n

14 y ou f or a m om en t, m ad am e c ou rt r ep or te r, t o b e s pe ci fi c

15 as to t he - - w ha t y ou ar e g oi ng t o r ead as t o

16 Messrs. Abrahamson and Clarke.

17 (Brief break)

18 T HE C OU RT : B ac k o n t he r ec or d f or a m in ut e.

19 I 'm l oo ki ng a t t he h ar d c op y t ha t w as p ro vi de d t o e ac h

20 an d a ll o f u s.

21 A s t o t he C la rk e t es ti mo ny i t s ta rt s w it h:

22 " A. W e f el t t he i mp or ta nt t hi ng w as

23 t ha t h e w as a n a dm it te d c hi ld a bu se r. H e

24 t ou ch ed h is s te pd au gh te r i n a s ex ua l w ay ."

25 Q . A nd y ou c om mu ni ca te d t ha t? "


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1 A. In a letter, yes."

2 I t hi nk t he c ont ex t is o ka y. O f co ur se I

3 c an 't s ay w ha t i s a he ad o f t ha t.

4 M R. S CH NA CK : T ha t' s f in e. An d t ha t wo ul d be

5 o n t hi s h ar d c op y, p ag e 1 90 , l in e 1 .

6 T HE C OU RT : T ha t' s u p on t he to p le ft .

7 M R. S IM ON S: Ye ah , l in es 1 t hr ou gh 8. Li ne

8 9, then becomes a different subject matter.

9 M S. K RA ET SC H: Y ou r H on or , t hi s i s p ag e 1 89 .

10 T HE C OU RT : A ll ri gh t. So l et 's ke ep t al ki ng

11 f or a m in ut e. I h av e a no th er p ag e h er e.

12 M R. S IM ON S: I h av e ta ke n ou t t he p ag es

13 r ed uc ed i t t o f iv e p ag es w it h t he t es ti mo ny h ig hl ig ht ed .

14 M ay be t ha t w i ll h el p u s. I t i s h ig hl ig ht ed f or o ur

15 reference.

16 T HE C OU RT : W hy d on 't y ou s ho w i t t o d ef en se

17 counsel, because we are making progress, belatedly.

18 (Brief Break)

19 T HE C OU RT : A ll ri gh t. Ba ck o n t he r ec or d.

20 W e h av e t ak en a b it o f t im e t o a ss es s t es ti mo ny o f

21 M es sr s. C la rk e a nd A br ah am so n i n r es po ns e t o t he j ur y

22 f or ep er so n' s q ue st io n. A s t o C la rk e' s t es ti mo ny , i t i s

23 m y u nd er st an di ng i t i s a gr ee d t ha t M ad am e R ep or te r m ay

24 r ea d M r. C la rk e' s t es ti mo ny t o t he j ur y a s f ol lo ws :

25 " Q. A nd b ec au se of t ha t, y ou to ok


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1 certain actions afterwards?

2 A. Yes. We advised our branch

3 o ff ic e a nd t ol d t he m o ur p os it io n w as t o

4 r em ov e h im a s a m in is te ri al s er va nt a nd

5 i m me d ia t el y r e sp o nd e d. T h ey c o nf i rm e d o u r

6 a ss es sm en t a nd it wa s a nn ou nc ed th at he wa s n o

7 l o ng e r a m i ni s te r ia l s e rv a nt . "

8 T ha t' s t he f ir st a sp ec t o f t he C la rk e

9 testimony.

10 S e co n d p r on g o f t h e C l ar k e t e st i mo n y:

11 " Q. The f ac t th at h e mi nim iz ed i t or

12 l ie d a bo ut th e n at ur e a nd ex te nt of it , w as

13 t ha t i mp or ta nt f or y ou t o c om mu ni ca te t o

14 Watchtower?

15 A . We f el t t he i mp or ta nt t hi ng w as

16 t ha t h e w as a n a dm it te d c hi ld a bu se r. H e

17 t ou ch ed h is s te pd au gh te r i n a s ex ua l w ay .

18 Q . A nd y ou c om mu ni ca te d t ha t?

19 A. In a letter? Yes.

20 Q . A nd T he W at ch to we r d id r es po nd

21 t o t he l et te r a nd h e w as r em ov ed a s

22 ministerial servant?

23 A . C orr ec t. An d we an no un ce d

24 that."

25 T ha t i s m y u nd er st an di ng t ha t t ha t' s t he


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1 a g re e d u p on C la r ke t e st i mo ny ; i s t h at c o rr e ct ?

2 M R. S IM ON S: T ha t' s c or re ct .

3 T HE C OU RT : A nd , M ad am e R ep or te r - - a nd ,

4 a c tu a ll y , c ou n se l h a ve o r ga n iz e d, i n o r de r, t h e p a ge s

5 a nd t he t es ti mo ny . I t i s y e l lo w h i g hl ig ht ed t es ti mo ny

6 s t ar t in g " A s p r es e nt e d t o y o u. "

7 G o in g o n t o t h e A b ra h am s on t e st i mo n y.

8 " Q. W hy w er e y ou r ep or ti ng t hi s t o

9 W a tc h to w er N e w Y o rk ?

10 A . T o g et d ir ec ti on .

11 Q. And in all of your work as an

12 e ld er th at in vo lv es an yt hi ng in th is ty pe of

13 m at te r, y ou w ou ld g et y ou r d ir ec ti on a nd

14 i n st r uc t io n f r om N e w Y o rk ?

15 A. Correct. In a lot of these

16 c as es th at le ga l m at te rs ar e i nv ol ve d, we ar e

17 a l wa y s e n co u ra g ed t o c a ll t h e L e ga l D e pa rt m en t

18 b ec au se h ow c ou ld w e k no w a ll t he l aw s. A nd

19 t he l aw s c ha ng e f ro m s ta te t o s ta te . B ut o ur

20 L e ga l D e pa rt m en t c o ul d h e lp u s t h ro u gh t hi s .

21 Q. And you used the word

22 " e nc o ur a ge d ," b u t, a c tu al l y, y o u a r e r eq u ir e d

23 t o c al l N ew Y or k.

24 A. Y ou might put it that way.

25 Q. I did put it that way. Do you


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1 agree?

2 A. I agree you put it that way.

3 Q. D o you agree that you were

4 r eq ui re d t o c al l N ew Y or k?

5 A. Yes."

6 T HE C OU RT : A nd t ha t i s t he A br ah am so n

7 testimony. Correct?

8 M R. M cC AB E: Ye s. Y ou c ou ld p ut it t ha t wa y.

9 T HE C OU RT : A ll ri gh t. We h av e w or ke d

10 through that.

11 S o w ha t I 'm g oi ng t o a sk y ou t o d o, M ad am e

12 R ep or te r, i s, I 'm g oi ng t o h an d y ou t he se s o y ou c an s ee

13 t he m, b ut y ou c an p ro ba bl y j us t r ea d i t f ro m y ou r

14 m ac hi ne , w h at ev er y ou w an t t o d o. B ut w e h av e t h em

15 lined up person-to-person highlighted testimony.

16 C er ta in ly , a ny th in g t ha t h as a n " X t hr ou gh i t i s

17 redacted material.

18 M R. S CH NA CK : I h av e n o o bj ec ti on t o h er

19 r ea di ng i t f ro m t he p ag e, y ou r H on or , j us t t o b e s af e.

20 M R. S IM ON S: An d I a gr ee .

21 T HE C OU RT : I ha ve n o ob je ct io n e it he r. We

22 c an a gr ee t ha t w e a gr ee o n t ha t.

23 M R. S CH NA CK : Y ou c ou ld p ut i t t ha t w ay .

24 THE COURT: All right. We are off the

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1 ( Of f t he r ec or d f ro m 9 :1 7 t o 2 :5 6)

2 M R. M cC AB E: Ba ck on t he r ec or d. A ll c ou ns el

3 a re h er e. T he j ur y r eq ue st ed R ef er en ce T ab le A o f 3 9 04

4 C as ey , ( B) , a nd w e a gr ee t ha t i t s ho ul d b e i nc lu de d, I

5 b el ie ve . C or re ct ?

6 M R. S IM ON S: We do .

7 MR. McCABE: Yes. It is hard to read, your

8 Ho nor . I w on de r i f we s ho ul d c op y i t o ff th e b ook .

9 M R. S IM ON S: A t t he r is k o f b ei ng t ec hn ic al ly

10 dinosauric, I agree.

11 THE COURT: Okay. Hill, here it is.

12 M R. S CH NA CK : Y ou r H on or , t he r ep or te r d id

13 n ot r ea d t he e nt ir e r ec or d.

14 T HE C OU RT : A pp ar en tl y M ad am e R ep or te r d id

15 s en d m e a n e ma il , b ut I w as w ri ti ng d ec is io ns s o I

16 wasn't looking for it.

17 M R. S CH NA CK : M y u nd er st an di ng i s s he s en t u s

18 t he e nt ir e t es ti mo ny , b ut t he j ur y a sk ed h er t o s to p a t

19 a c er ta in p oi nt . A nd I u nd er st an d y o u d id s to p a t t ha t

20 point; is that correct?

21 T HE C OU RT : D ef in e w ha t p oi nt w e s ta rt ed a nd

22 what point we stopped.

23 M R. S CH NA CK : A re we o n th e r ec or d? Th is i s

24 o ne o f t he p ro bl em s w it h n ot h av in g i t r ea d b ac k i n t he

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1 b as ed o n w ha t t he j ur y w an ts , n ot w ha t y ou r H on or w an te d

2 to decide.

3 T HE C OU RT : W e r ea ct ed t o "W e w an t to h ea r

4 D r. P on to n' s t e st im on y. " I t w a sn 't l im it ed i n t e r ms o f

5 s ub st an ce o r t er ms . S o w er e I t o g et t ha t r eq ue st

6 a ga in , I m ig ht b ri ng t he f or ep er so n o ut j us t t o s ee i f

7 t he re w as a ny m or e s pe ci fi c, b ut w e m ar ke d w ha t w e r ea d

8 t o t he j ur y f or r ec or d p ur po se s.

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