Watchtower: Jury Trial Day 7, Candace Conti v. Watchtower

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1 S U PE RI O R C O UR T O F C A LI F OR N IA

2 C OU N TY O F A L AM E DA

3 B E FO R E T HE H O NO R AB L E J U DG E R O BE R T M C GU I NE S S

4 DEPARTMENT 22

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7 JANE DOE, ) No. HG115588324)

8 Plaintiff, )) A SS IG NE D F OR A LL P UR PO SE S T O

9 v. ) JUDGE ROBERT McGUINESS,) DE PA RT ME NT 22

10 W A TC H TO W ER B I BL E A N D )T RA CT S OC IE TY O F N EW )11 YORK, INC., a )

c o rp o ra t io n , e t a l ., )12 )

Defendants. )13 )

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15 J U RY T R IA L

16 J UN E 1 1, 2 01 2

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19 ATKINSON-BAKER, INC.COURT REPORTERS

20 (800) 288-3376www.depo.com

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22 R EP OR TE D B Y: K AT HR YN L LO YD , C SR N O. 5 95 5

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1 A P P E A R A N C E S:

2 F O R T H E P L AI N TI F F:

3 F U RT A DO , J A SP O VI C E & S I MO N S

4 B Y: R IC K SI MO NS , ES Q.

5 B Y: K EL LY K R AE TS CH , E SQ .

6 2 2 27 4 M a in S t re e t

7 H a yw a rd , C A 9 45 4 1

8 Tel: 510-582-1080

9 Fax: 510-582-8254

10 E m ai l : k e ll y k@ f js l aw . co m

11 Em a il : r i ck @ fj s la w .c o m

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13 F O R T H E D E FE N DA N TS :

14 T H E N O RT H F R EM O NT C O NG R EG A TI O N O F

15 JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

16 T HE M cC AB E L AW F IR M

17 B Y: J AM ES M . M cC AB E, E SQ .

18 4 81 7 S an ta M on ic a A ve , S ui te B

19 S an D ie go , C A 9 21 07

20 Tel: 619-224-2848

21 Fax: 619-224-0089

22 E m ai l : j i m@ m cc a be l aw . ne t

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1 APPEARANCES (CONTINUED)

2 F O R T H E D E FE N DA N T:

3 T H E W A TC H TO WE R B I BL E A N D T R AC T S O CI E TY

4 O F N E W Y O R K, I NC .

5 J A CK S ON L E WI S , L L P

6 B Y: R OB ER T S CH NA CK , E SQ .

7 8 01 K S tr ee t, S ui te 2 30 0

8 S a cr a me n to , C A 9 5 81 4

9 T e l: ( 9 16 ) 3 4 1- 0 40 4

10 F a x: ( 9 16 ) 3 4 1- 0 14 1

11 Email: [email protected]

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1 INDEX

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3 JURY INSTRUCTIONS BY: JUDGE McGUINESS 51

4 CLOSING ARGUMENT BY: MR. SIMONS 91

5 CLOSING ARGUMENT BY: MR. McCABE 130

6 CLOSING ARGUMENT BY: MR. SCHNACK 176

7 REBUTTAL STATEMENT BY: MR. SIMONS 209

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1 JUNE 11, 2012 7:47 A.M.

2 PROCEEDINGS

3 THE COURT: All right. We are back on the

4 r ec or d i n t he m at te r o f t he C an da ce C on ti v er su s t he

5 W at ch to we r N ew Y or k B ib le a nd T ra ct S oc ie ty o f N ew Y or k,

6 Inc.

7 T he C ou rt i s g oi ng t o t ak e a m om en t - - f ir st

8 o f a ll , I w ou ld l ik e t o t ha nk c ou ns el - - a nd t he r ec or d

9 should reflect, a fairly intense weekend between court

10 a nd c ou ns el - - t o c on ti nu e t he d is cu ss io ns a nd e ff or ts

11 a s t o - - i n o ne c as e, m ut ua ll y a gr ee d u po n j ur y

12 instructions in this matter, and secondly, for any

13 issues that were unresolved for the Court's decision.

14 I 'm g oi ng t o g o t hr ou gh t he j ur y i ns tr uc ti on

15 m ee t a nd c on fe r t ab le t ha t w e u se d l as t W e dn es da y. B ut

16 m or e i mp or ta nt ly , I 'm g oi ng t o g o t hr ou gh t he E xh ib it - -

17 o r I 'm s or ry - - t he j ur y i ns tr uc ti on s t ha t h av e b ee n

18 p re se nt ed t o m e f or r ea di ng t o t he j ur y t hi s m or ni ng .

19 A nd I w il l c om me nt w he re e it he r I h av e m ad e a

20 d ec is io n f or t he se p ur po se s, a nd t he n a ft er I a m t hr ou gh

21 r ec it in g t he s er ie s o f i ns tr uc ti on s t ha t I h av e a nd m y

22 comments otherwise, I will invite comments from anyone

23 as to - - fr om ei th er s id e -- as t o th e s ta te o f ju ry

24 instructions at this time.

25 A ll r ig ht . I n o rd er , C as ey 2 00 : O bl ig at io n


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1 to Prove.

2 I t i s t he C ou rt 's u nd er st an di ng t ha t i s a

3 mutually agreed upon instruction. Correct?

4 M R. S IM ON S: Y es .

5 M R. S CH NA CK : Y es .

6 T HE C OU RT : C as ey 2 01 ?






12 T HE C OU RT : A nd t he se a re a ga in , i ns tr uc ti on s

13 I w il l r e ad t o t h e j u ry .

14 Casey 203?



17 T HE C OU RT : L et m e a sk f or r ec or d p ur po se s,

18 i n t he p ac ke t t hi s m or ni ng w as C as ey 2 04 , w il lf ul

19 s up pr es si on , I b el ie ve i t i s a gr ee d t ha t t ha t w as

20 withdrawn?

21 M R. S IM ON S: Ye s. I t wa s no t o ff er ed t o

22 P la in ti ff . I t w as w i th dr aw n.

23 T HE C OU RT : 2 05 ?


25 T HE C OU RT : A ll ri gh t. Ev id en ce -- 2 06 :


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1 Evidence for a limited purpose?

2 M R. S CH NA CK : A s m od if ie d, y es .

3 T HE C OU RT : A nd I be li ev e it ha s be en

4 m od if ie d, t he o ne I 'm l oo ki ng a t.

5 M R. S IM ON S: C or re ct .

6 THE CLERK: 207. Let me make note of this.

7 I have indicated, pursuant to the defense requests, that

8 I a m g oi ng t o i ss ue a l im it in g i ns tr uc ti on a s t o c er ta in

9 e vi de nc e p re se nt ed i n t hi s m at te r a s t o M r. K en dr ic k

10 only.

11 N ow w ha t I 'm r ea di ng , w e n ee d t o r et oo l 2 07 .

12 I t p ro vi de s i n p er ti ne nt p ar t a s f ol lo ws :

13 "Then read limited instruction

14 regarding consideration of certain evidence

15 only against Jonathan Kendrick and not

16 Watchtower North Fremont Congregation."

17 I n t er ms o f p re pa ri ng w ha t i s g oi ng t o g o

18 i nt o t ha t i ns tr uc ti on , I c an t el l a ll o f y ou t ha t I 'm

19 g oi ng t o l is te n t o a l it tl e a rg um en t a s t o M s. M ar ti ne z

20 a nd t he f ie ld s er vi ce a sp ec ts h er e. B ut I 'm g oi ng t o

21 direct that the proposed limiting instruction presented

22 b y d ef en da nt s o n F ri da y w il l b e t he i ns tr uc ti on I 'm

23 g oi ng t o g iv e a s t o f ou r i n ci de nt s r el at ed t he re on . T he

24 o nl y o ne i n p la y i s t he i nc id en t r eg ar di ng M ar ti ne z a nd

25 field service.


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1 S o Mr . Si mo ns , a s si mp ly a s I c an s ay i t,

2 w ha t I g ot o n F ri da y i s a p ro po se d i ns tr uc ti on f ro m

3 d ef en se , a nd I d on 't h av e i t d ir ec tl y i n f ro nt o f m e,

4 b ut t he re w er e f ou r i nc id en ts . I c an r em em be r t he b la ck

5 b ra i nc id en t. P ic tu re s w it h c h i ld re n, t he re w er e f ou r

6 i n t ot al o n t ha t i ns tr uc ti on , w hi ch I 'm g oi ng t o g iv e

7 e xa ct ly a s r ed ac te d w it h t he e xc ep ti on o f i t b ei ng a

8 l it tl e b it - - t he d ea li ng s w it h M s. M ar ti ne z a nd h er

9 testimony as to field service.

10 O ka y. S o t ha t' s 2 07 t o b e m od if ie d.

11 2 08 . I d ea lt w it h t hi s c on te xt ua ll y. F ir st

12 of al l, I b el ie ve it i s a s mo di fi ed . T he re wa s a

13 supplemental request for jury instruction by the

14 P la in ti ff t o a dd e ff ec ti ve ly o r v id eo a nd I t hi nk n ow ,

15 a s m o di fi ed , i t i s a g re ed . C or re ct , c o un se l?






21 T HE C OU RT : 2 12 ?



24 T HE C OU RT : 2 18 ?



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2 T HE C OU RT : 2 19 ?



5 T HE C OU RT : 2 20 ?



8 T HE C OU RT : 2 21 ?



11 T HE C OU RT : 2 23 ?



14 T HE C OU RT : C as ey 40 0. I th in k t hi s wa s

15 ag ree d up on . I t' s 4 01 , th er e wa s a n is su e. 4 00 ?

16 Casey?


18 T HE C OU RT : T ha t i s j us t e ss en ti al f ac tu al

19 elements?


21 T HE C OU RT : A ll r ig ht . 4 01 , a t p la in ti ff 's

22 r eq ue st , I 'm g oi ng t o g iv e 4 01 a b as ic s ta nd ar d o f c ar e.

23 I s po ke t o c o un se l y e st er da y. I t hi nk c on te xt ua ll y i n

24 t er ms o f t he d ut y i ns tr uc ti on , w hi ch I 'm g oi ng t o t al k

25 a bo ut i n o ne m om en t, t ha t I h av e t o g iv e f ra me wo rk a s t o


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1 b as ic s ta nd ar d o f c ar e. S o o ve r d ef en se o bj ec ti on a s t o

2 401?

3 M R. S CH NA CK : T ha t' s c or re ct . O ve r o ur

4 objection.

5 T HE C OU RT : N ot ed fo r th e re co rd . Ok ay .

6 401.

7 L et m e t al k a bo ut t he d ut y i ns tr uc ti on , w hi ch

8 follows next.

9 F ir st o f al l, I wi ll b e ve ry cl ea r on t he

10 r ec or d t ha t t hr ou gh ou t - - a nd I w il l l et t he d ef en se

11 m ak e a r ec or d, o nc e I 'm d on e.

12 T he d ef en se h as m ad e a n um be r o f a rg um en ts .

13 B as ic al ly , f ir st o f a ll , I 'm h op in g I 'm g oi ng t o s ta te

14 i t a s s uc ci nc tl y a nd d ir ec tl y a s I c an , t ha t u nd er t he

15 f ac tu al c ir cu ms ta nc es h er e, t he re w as n o d ut y o f c ar e,

16 relative to the defendants.

17 T he re w as a ls o a s ec on d a rg um en t t ha t

18 c on te xt ua ll y, t ha t t o a ll ow a d ut y o f c ar e w ou ld r es ul t

19 i n t he c re at io n o f t he t or t o f c le rg y m al pr ac ti ce .

20 N ow , I' m go in g t o le t yo u g o on t he r ec ord i n

21 a m in ut e. I i ss ue d a n e ma il y es te rd ay t ha t w a s f a ir ly

22 s uc ci nc t - - a nd I 'm t ak in g r es po ns ib il it y f or t he d ut y

23 i ns tr uc ti on i n a v er y n ua nc e c as e - - b ut f ir st o f a ll , I

24 denied Plaintiff's request as drafted. Plaintiff

25 p re se nt ed t wo s up pl em en ta ls a s t o d ut y. I d en ie d t h e


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1 r eq ue st a s t o N um be r 2 b ec au se i t w as f il te re d a nd

2 littered with Mr. Kendrick being a volunteer.

3 And under the factual circumstances of this

4 case, clearly defendants, upon learning of the incident,

5 were quick and concerned, went through their process,

6 and Mr. Kendrick was stripped of his ministerial servant

7 status.

8 S o I t hi nk , c on ti nu in g t o u se a nd

9 c ha ra ct er iz e h im a s a " vo lu nt ee r" u nd er J ua re z w as a nd

10 w ou ld b e m is le ad in g t o t he j ur y.

11 O nc e I ca n pr int i t ou t, I 'm go in g to p ut in

12 th e e ma il t ha t I w ro te t o co uns el a s to w hy I wa s

13 f in di ng a d ut y o f c ar e, a nd I w il l d ea l r ig ht n ow , s in ce

14 it is t im el y, a s t o wh y on th e ju ry v er di ct fo rm I d id

15 not include unserved, un-named parties.

16 A s t o d ut y, I w ro te i n t he e ma il o f c ou ns el

17 q uo te s f ro m T ar as of f, w hi ch o f c ou rs e w as a

18 quintessential duty case, actually arising in Alameda

19 County.

20 But the Court's analysis of Delgado, which

21 f ol lo we d i n J ua re z, I d id , i n e ff ec t, f in d a s pe ci al

22 relationship of a minor child contextually under the

23 circumstances alleged here.

24 T he C ou rt i s f ul ly a wa re o f t he l eg al

25 d oc tr in e - - o f t he g en er al l eg al d oc tr in e o f n o d ut y t o


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1 w ar n. I 'm f ul ly a cq ua in te d w i th i t; I 'm a cq ua in te d w i th

2 the evolution of exceptions to that doctrine.

3 I r ea d c an di dl y, p ro ba bl y 3 0 c as es o r m or e,

4 a nd I h av e v er y s ki ll ed l aw ye rs h er e, i nc lu di ng a n um be r

5 o f o u t o f s t at e c a se s.

6 E ve n i n t he o ut o f s ta te c as es , t ho se c ou rt s

7 that were finding no duty under these circumstances,

8 o ft en w ou ld t al k i n a s en se o r t wo a bo ut v ul ne ra bl e

9 Plaintiffs.

10 A nd I 'm i mp os in g a d ut y u nd er t he

11 c ir cu ms ta nc es h er e f or t he r ea so ns r el at ed i n m y e ma il ,

12 b ut c le ar ly a n e vo lu ti on o f t he d oc tr in e, p er ha ps t he

13 b es t e xa mp le n ot i nv ol vi ng a c hu rc h w as J ua re z, a s t o

14 the duty inherent to adults and their organizations

15 vis-a-vis the taking care of children.

16 S o t he d ut y r ul in g i s m in e f or t he r ea so ns I

17 related.

18 As to un-named parties, un-served parties, I

19 w as t he o ne w ho r ai se d t he P ro p 5 1 a sp ec ts p os si bi li ty

20 in th is p ro ce ed in g. A nd I d id it b ec au se o f t he

21 evolving nature of Prop 51 and un-named, un-served

22 defendants.

23 I requested counsel to submit further

24 b ri ef in g o n t he m at te r, a nd I r ul ed e ff ec ti ve ly o n i t

25 S un da y b y e ma il - - w hi ch , a ga in , I 'm g oi ng t o r un i t a nd


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1 p ut i t i nt o t he r ec or d - - t ha t I w as n' t, f or p ur po se s o f

2 t he v er di ct f or m h er e, a dd ed t he t ri o o f t he F re mo nt

3 Police Department, the District Attorney of Alameda

4 County and Child Protective Services, largely for the

5 c as es a nd t he r ea so ns r el at ed i n P la in ti ff 's b ri ef t ha t

6 I referenced contextually in the email.

7 The parents, that being the Conti's's, were

8 also asked to be added as un-named, un-served defendants

9 f or p ur po se s o f t he v er di ct f or m. I d ec li ne d t o d o s o

10 and ruled accordingly.

11 I w ou ld a sk t he q ue st io n o n W ed ne sd ay a s t o,

12 f or i ns ta nc e, w he n i n t he e vi de nt ia ry r ec or d h er e, w he n

13 d id M r. C on ti l ea rn a bo ut t he d is cl os ur e.

14 A nd t he c as es t ha t I t hi nk a re f ai rl y u ni fo rm

15 a s o f l og ic , t ha t i t i s t ou gh t o i mp os e a d ut y u nd er

16 c ir cu ms ta nc es l ik e t he se i f o ne i s n ot a wa re a nd h as a ny

17 r ea so n t o b e a wa re o f a nd r ea ct t o t he n at ur e o f t he

18 circumstances here.

19 So I declined under several cases related,

20 a nd I 'm g oi ng t o r ef er en ce , a ga in , o n t he r ec or d, t he

21 b ri ef s ub mi tt ed b y P la in ti ff a s t o b ot h t he t ri o o f

22 public agencies, and then the parents themselves, which

23 a re d if fe re nt i n t er ms o f l eg al r ea so ns f or d en yi ng

24 s am e, b ut I r ef er en ce d t he r ea so ns i n t he e ma il , w hi ch

25 I 'm g oi ng t o p ut i n t he r ec or d.


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1 S o t he d ut y i ns tr uc ti on , t he C ou rt

2 u nd er st an di ng - - I 'm g oi ng t o l et t he d ef en se i n a

3 m om en t m ak e t he ir r ec or d, b ut I t hi nk i t i s c er ta in ly

4 c le ar i n t er ms o f t he n um be r o f b ri ef s, t he n um be r o f

5 d is cu ss io ns b et we en t he c ou ns el a nd t he C ou rt t ha t - -

6 a nd t he ir p os it io n h as b ee n v er y w el l b ro ug ht , a s I s ai d

7 e ar li er o n i n t hi s c as e, i t i s a d if fi cu lt c as e o n t he

8 p ar ti es , t he j ud ge , t he j ur y a nd c ou ns el .

9 412, by agreement, Casey?


11 M R. S CH NA CK : A l ot o f y ou r c om me nt s y ou j us t

12 m ad e, I q ue st io n t he v al id it y h er e, b ut w e w il l s ay y es .

13 T HE C OU RT : 4 13 . I do n' t th in k t he re i s an y

14 question about that, I'm hoping.



17 T HE C OU RT : 4 30 : C au sa ti on ?



20 T HE C OU RT : 4 3 1: M ul ti pl e c au se s c au sa ti on ?


22 M R. S CH NA CK : L et m e l oo k a t t he w or di ng j us t

23 t o m ak e s ur e w e c ha ng ed - - y es , a s m od if ie d.

24 M R. S IM ON S: I d on 't h av e m y h ar d c op y h er e.

25 I 'm l oo ki ng a ro un d, d id w e d o n on pa rt ie s?


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1 T HE C OU RT : Y es . Bu t si nc e yo u w er e ki nd

2 e no ug h t o g i ve m e a h ar d c o py .


4 T HE C OU RT : T he n w e h av e a gr ee me nt ?

5 M R. S IM ON S: Ye s, we d o.

6 T HE C OU RT : 4 34 : A lt er na ti ve c au sa ti on ?



9 T HE C OU RT : 1 3 06 : S e xu al b at te ry , e ss en ti al

10 factual elements?



13 T HE C OU RT : A ll ri gh t. Af te r th at, I

14 indicated to counsel on Wednesday, I was concerned about

15 s om e o f t he t es ti mo ny s er vi ng a s a b as is f or - -

16 W el l, I h av e a lr ea dy t ol d t he j ur y t he y a re

17 going to get limiting instructions.

18 I w as c on ce rn ed an d I wa nt to s ay o n th e

19 r ec or d t ha t I r ev ie we d t he t ra ns cr ip t b ec au se I

20 requested whether the word "privileged" was used by

21 anybody in this proceeding.

22 A nd I w an t t o b e v er y c le ar , I t ho ug ht

23 counsel were very professional, as were the witnesses,

24 preparing on this issue; however, there was testimony as

25 t o p ri vi le ge b ei ng u se d a s a b as is f or n ot d is cl os in g.


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1 S o I w ro te a n e ma il t o c ou ns el y es te rd ay .

2 I 'm g oi ng t o r ea d i t i nt o m y r ec or d, b ec au se I 'm g oi ng

3 t o r ea d t hi s t o t he j ur y o n t he p ri vi le ge i ss ue , a nd

4 t he n I 'm g oi ng t o t ak e t he o pp or tu ni ty t o t al k a bo ut t he

5 s ta tu to ry d ut y t o r ep or t, b ec au se w e h ad a n i nt er pl ay

6 w it h o ne o f t he e xp er ts a s t o w he th er t he re w as a

7 s ta tu te a nd w he th er t he re w as a d ut y t o r ep or t, a nd

8 c an di dl y, I 'm g oi ng t o c ha ra ct er iz e h er t es ti mo ny a s a

9 mixed bag.

10 S o I 'm g oi ng t o r ea d t o t he j ur y:

11 "In this particular matter, you heard

12 t he us e o f t he wo rd , q uo te , p ri vi le ge , e nd of

13 q uo te . U nd er t he C al if or ni a E vi de nc e C od e

14 certain communications are privileged such

15 t ha t t he y m ay n ot b e d is cl os ed u po n t he

16 a ss er ti on o f a c la im o f p ri vi le ge b y t he

17 h ol de r a nd t he s am e. W he th er a p ar ti cu la r

18 communication is privileged is a matter for

19 d ec is io n b y t he t ri al c ou rt . Y ou r

20 d el ib er at io ns ar e t o b e b as ed so le ly up on th e

21 evidence presented and the instructions given

22 without any consideration whatsoever as to

23 whether any communication within the evidence

24 presented in this matter was privileged under

25 California law."


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1 N ow , I g ot a n e ma il f ro m P la in ti ff 's c ou ns el

2 s ay in g t ha t w as , I t hi nk , o ka y w it h P la in ti ff ?

3 M R. S IM ON S: Ye s. I t wa sn 't w ha t w e as ke d

4 fo r, y our H on or . Bu t --

5 T HE C OU RT : B e c ar ef ul i n t hi s c ou rt w ha t y ou

6 a sk f or .

7 M R. S IM ON S: B ut w e b as ic al ly s ai d, " Ok ay ,

8 t he C ou rt h as r ul ed a nd w e m ov e f or wa rd f ro m t he re ."

9 T HE C OU RT : C ou ns el , j us t f or a m in ut e o n

10 that.

11 M R. S CH NA CK : W e d o ob je ct t o t hi s

12 i ns tr uc ti on . W e t h in k i f y ou a re g oi ng t o g i ve t ha t

13 i ns tr uc ti on , y ou n ee d t o g et i nt o E vi de nc e C od e S ec ti on

14 1034, where the ministers hold privilege separate and

15 apart from the penitent.

16 A nd i f y ou r ea d t hr ou gh t he l aw

17 r ev is io n c om mi ss io n c om me nt s - - I w ou ld l ik e t o r ea d

18 t hi s i n to t he r ec or d, i f y o u d o n' t m i nd . A ga in , t h is i s

19 S ec ti on 1 03 4 o f t he C al if or ni a E vi de nc e C od e, a nd t he

20 Law Revision Commission comments state that:

21 " Th e l aw w il l n ot c om pe l a c le rg ym an

22 t o v io la te , n or pu ni sh h im f or re fu si ng t o

23 v io la te th e t en et s o f h is ch ur ch wh ic h r eq ui re

24 him to maintain secrecy as to confidential

25 s ta te me nt s m ad e t o h im in th e c ou rs e o f h is


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1 religious duties."

2 F ur th er a lo ng i n t ho se L aw R ev is io n

3 Commission comments states that:

4 " Th e e xt en t t o w hi ch a c le rg ym an

5 should keep secret or reveal penitential

6 communication is not an appropriate subject

7 f or l eg is la ti on . T he m at te r i s b et te r l ef t t o

8 the discretion of the individual clergyman

9 involved and the discipline of the religious

10 b od y o f w hi ch h e i s a m em be r. "

11 W e t hi nk t hi s i ns tr uc ti on b as ic al ly i s a n

12 a re a w hi ch t he C ou rt s ho ul d n ot g o, b ut i f y ou a re g oi ng

13 t o g iv e i t, w e a ls o t hi nk t he i ns tr uc ti on n ee ds t o b e

14 g iv en t ha t s ay s t ha t t he c le rg ym an h ol ds a s ep ar at e

15 p ri vi le ge . W e d o n' t t h in k t h er e s h ou ld b e a n y

16 instruction on privilege.

17 T HE C OU RT : A nd t he o nl y r ea so n I 'm d oi ng i t

18 i s b ec au se o f t he r ec or d, i t b ei ng u se d a s a

19 justification.

20 M R. M cC AB E: An d c ou ld I j us t a dd f or t he

21 r ec or d, y ou r H on or , t ha t t he o nl y i nd ic at io n o f a ny on e

22 u si ng p ri vi le ge , I t hi nk w as t he t es ti mo ny o f M ic ha el

23 C la rk e, w ho w as n ot a l aw ye r, w as n ot c la im in g t he

24 p ri vi le ge n ot t o t es ti fy i n t hi s c ou rt o r a ny o th er

25 proceeding, but was using the word in delayed vernacular


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1 of confidentiality.

2 THE COURT: Well, I read what he said. And

3 t he p ro bl em a s t o t he h ea re r, I 'm n ot s ur e t ha t t he y

4 w ou ld u nd er st an d t ha t, b ec au se i t i s p ar t o f, i n m y

5 v ie w, t he u se o f t he t er m i ts el f.

6 W he n y ou u se t he t er m " pr iv il eg e" i t

7 i ne vi ta bl y r a is es i ss ue s a s t o w h at a nd w hy . A nd I

8 t ri ed t o l im it m y c om me nt s t o t he p ro ce ss i ts el f.

9 S ee , t ha t a rg um en t, i n u se o f 1 03 4, i s n ot

10 v er y d if fe re nt f ro m k in d o f t he s ub li mi na l a rg um en t a s

11 t o w he th er t he re i s a s pi ri tu al p ri vi le ge n ot t o

12 disclose, which I have largely avoided, seeking to avoid

13 confusion to the jury.

14 I h av e br ok en it o ut t o ma ke su re i t is ve ry

15 c le ar t ha t i t i s a m at te r o f e vi de nt ia ry p ri vi le ge - -

16 a nd t hi s c ou rt h as d et er mi ne d, b y t he w ay , e ar ly o n t ha t

17 t he n at ur e o f t he d is cu ss io ns h er e d id n ot c om e w it hi n

18 the penitent clergyman privilege.

19 S o y ou h av e m ad e y ou r r ec or d. N ow , l et 's g o.

20 M R. S CH NA CK : A nd , y ou r H on or , t o t ha t e xt en t

21 y ou h av e u p u nt il t im e o f t ri al h er e t o c ha ng e w ha t w e

22 c on si de r a n i nc or re ct r ul in g i n t ha t r eg ar d, b ec au se i f

23 y ou g o t hr ou gh S ec ti on 1 03 2 o f t he E vi de nc e C od e, w hi ch

24 d ef in es p en it en t p ri vi le ge s, i t s ay s t ha t i t r eq ui re s a

25 communication confidence in the presence of no third


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1 p er so n a s f ar a s t he p en it en t i s a wa re t o a m em be r o f

2 the clergy.

3 Here, there's been no evidence that Jonathan

4 K en dr ic k w as a wa re o f a ny t hi rd p er so n t he re .

5 A ga in , I w as n' t i nv ol ve d i n t hi s c as e w he n

6 t ha t w as b ri ef ed a nd t he m at te r w as p re se nt ed t o t he

7 Court.

8 But within the Jehovah's Witnesses faith a

9 wife and family members are not considered third persons

10 to such penitential communications.

11 H er e, t he p en it en t, a ga in , w as K en dr ic k. H e

12 c ou ld h av e h ad t he b el ie f h is w if e a nd s te pd au gh te r

13 w er e t hi rd p er so ns u nd er S ec ti on 1 03 2. S o w e w ou ld u rg e

14 t ha t y ou c or re ct t he p ri or r ul in g.

15 T HE C OU RT : T ha nk y ou , M r. S ch na ck .

16 E ar ly o n, b ef or e w e e ve n g ot i nt o t ri al h er e,

17 I s ai d, i f I m ay q uo te m ys el f, " I w is h s om eb od y w ou ld

18 h av e t ak en t ha t t o t he c ou rt o f a pp ea l. "

19 I h av en 't m ad e a g li b d ec is io n i n t hi s c as e.

20 M y t h ou gh ts a re s uc ci nc t. B ut I g av e a l ot o f t ho ug ht

21 t o t ha t b ec au se I t ho ug ht i t w as a t hr es ho ld q ue st io n a t

22 t he t im e. A nd c an di dl y, I w as t hi nk in g i f t hi s c a se

23 g oe s t o t ri al , c er ta in ly I w as g oi ng t o g et a r ep la y,

24 w hi ch I j us t d id , o f t h e n at ur e o f i t.

25 A nd I t hi nk e ve ry bo dy h as t he s en se t hi s


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1 judge doesn't pretend beyond admission in these matters,

2 b ut I m ad e t ha t r ul in g o n a v er y e xt en si ve p re se nt at io n

3 o f p ro ce ss , w ho w as t he re , w ha t h ap pe ne d w he n i t g oe s t o

4 Ne w Y or k, t he l ett er a nd a ll of t ha t. So go od o r b ad,

5 y ou k no w - -

6 A nd I a ct ua ll y r ev ie we d t ha t r ul in g t wi ce ,

7 e ar ly o n i n t hi s c as e t o r ea ss es s w ha t I d id t he n a nd

8 wh y I d id i t. A nd I 'm g oi ng to s ti ck w it h t he r ul in g.

9 N um be r 2. Yo u h av e he ar d tw o - - an d le t m e

10 sa y - - I wa nt to b e v ery cl ea r a s t o w hy I d id n' t u se

11 the Plaintiff's instruction -- the Plaintiffs's

12 instructions talk about privilege or confidentiality.

13 Okay. And the way I framed it for the jury in my

14 instruction, I want to talk about evidentiary privilege

15 t o h op ef ul ly a vo id a ny c on fu si on t he y w ou ld h av e t he re .

16 I w ou ld n' t h av e a nd d id n ot u se c on fi de nt ia li ty b ec au se

17 o f t he n at ur e o f t he p re se nt at io n - -

18 I w il l go w it h y ou a l it tl e b it o n th is in

19 t er ms o f t he e xp ec ta ti on s w he n o ne g oe s t hr ou gh t ha t

20 p ro ce ss . S o I h av e l i mi te d m y c om me nt s t o p ri vi le ge .

21 N um be r 2 , I 'm g oi ng t o r ea d t o t he j ur y t he

22 following:

23 " Yo u h av e h ea rd t wo e xp er ts h er e

24 t es ti fy as to th e s ta nd ar d o f c ar e r eg ar di ng

25 child abuse reporting.


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1 W he th er t he re w as a s ta tu to ry d ut y t o

2 r e po r t t o l a wf u l a u th o ri t ie s a p u rp o rt ed

3 i nc id en t o f c hi ld ab us e b y a ny on e h ea ri ng or

4 r ep or ti ng th e s am e i s a ma tt er of la w f or

5 d et er mi na ti on b y t he t ri al c ou rt . Y ou r

6 d el ib er at io ns ar e t o b e b as ed so le ly up on th e

7 evidence presented and instructions given

8 w i th o ut a n y c o ns i de r at i on w h at s oe v er a s t o

9 w he th er th er e w as an y s ta tu to ry du ty to re po rt

10 a n i nc id en t o f s us pe ct ed ch il d a bu se to la wf ul

11 a u th o ri t ie s a t a n y t i me i nv o lv e d w i th i n t h e

12 evidence presented here."

13 N ow , I s en t t ha t t o l aw ye rs y es te rd ay .

14 P la in ti ff s' s c ou ns el , y ou c an r es po nd . P ro ba bl y t he

15 s am e w a y a s y ou d id t o t he o th er .

16 M R. S IM ON S: W el l, y ou r H on or , w e s ai d o ur

17 p os it io n o n t he s ub mi ss io ns , s o I j us t r es t o n t ha t.

18 TH E CO URT : A ll r ig ht. An d th e de fe nse ?

19 M R. M cC AB E: O ur p os it io n i s t ha t t he re w as

20 n o m an da to ry d ut y t o r ep or t i n t hi s i ns ta nc e, b ec au se

21 th at 's t he l aw. An d I th in k i f y ou do n' t t ell t he ju ry

22 t he l aw , t he n y ou a re l ea vi ng i t u p t o t he m t o w on de r

23 a b ou t i t a n d s p e c ul a te .

24 E ve n t ho ug h i f y ou t el l t he m n ot t o d o t ha t,

25 y ou a re l ea di ng t he m d ow n t ha t p at h a nd t he y a re


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1 e xp ec ti ng t o h ea r t he l aw f ro m y ou r H on or , a nd y ou d on 't

2 t el l t h em t he l aw .

3 M R. S CH NA CK : A nd f ur th er , y ou r H on or , w e

4 submitted a proposed instruction that would indeed

5 instruct the jury that when mandated reporting became

6 t he l aw f or c le rg y i n C al if or ni a, a nd w it h r es pe ct t o

7 t hi s c as e, t he y s ho ul d n ot c on si de r t he m an da te d

8 r ep or ti ng l aw b ec au se t he re w as n o s uc h l aw i n p la ce

9 w it h r es pe ct t o c le rg y i n ' 93 a nd ' 94 .

10 T HE C OU RT : T he re i s t ha t o ld c om me nt , t he

11 t an gl ed w eb , w hi ch , a ga in , I w il l t ry t o w al k i n t he

12 j ur or s' s ho es i n a m at te r s uc h a s t hi s.

13 F ir st o f a ll , I t ol d c ou ns el y es te rd ay , i f

14 s om eb od y h ad o bj ec te d t o t he d is cu ss io n a bo ut w ha t t he

15 l aw w as a t t ha t t im e, I w ou ld h av e g ra nt ed i t, b ec au se

16 it is e xa ct ly w hat I f ee l an d h ow I w ou ld ha ve m ad e th e

17 decision.

18 I w ou ld a nd d id l et t he e xp er ts t es ti fy a s t o

19 t he ir o pi ni on s a s t o s ta nd ar d o f c ar e. A ga in , I

20 p ro ba bl y h av e e ve ry bo dy s at is fi ed h er e, b ut i f I s ta rt

21 t o g et i nt o m an da te d, I t hi nk t ha t c ar ri es i nf er en ce s

22 into the jury's discussions and deliberations.

23 I d on 't t hi nk t he l aw ye rs o r t hi s c ou rt h av e

24 d is ag re ed a t a ll t ha t t he d ut y u nd er t ha t s ta tu e t o

25 r ep or t b y c hu rc h o r c le rg y d id n ot o cc ur u nt il J an ua ry


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1 1 , 1 99 7 a s a m at te r o f t he s ta tu te .

2 I have already found, over defense objection,

3 t ha t t he re w as a c om mo n l aw s ta nd ar d o f c ar e e xi st in g i n

4 1993. And in all of my -- not just -- well, a simple

5 w ay a nd n ot s o s im pl e c as e i s t ry in g t o d ir ec t t he j ur y

6 to the evidence.

7 N on e o f t he d is cu ss io n a bo ut w ha t t he l aw

8 w as , w ho i t w ou ld a pp ly t o, w he th er i t w as m an da te d - - I

9 t hi nk t ha t g et s t he m o ff i nt o a t er ri to ry t ha t I a m

10 s ee ki ng t o c lo se d ow n b ec au se I w an t t he m t o c on si de r

11 t hi s m at te r f ro m a c om mo n l aw s ta nd ar d o f c ar e a nd t he

12 e vi de nc e d e du ce d. S o I ' m g o in g t o r ea d t h at .

13 S o l et 's g et t o s im pl er t er ri to ry .

14 3700?

15 M R. S IM ON S: It w as b ri ef ed .


17 T HE C OU RT : 3 70 1?

18 M R. S IM ON S: A s m od if ie d, a gr ee d.

19 M R. S CH NA CK : I 'm r ea di ng i t b ri ef ly , y ou r

20 Honor.

21 T HE C OU RT : G oo d m or ni ng t o e ve ry on e.

22 M R. S CH NA CK : Y es , a gr ee d a s m od if ie d.

23 T HE C OU RT : 3 70 3?


25 M R. S CH NA CK : A lt ho ug h, y ou r H on or , w it h


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1 r es pe ct t o 3 70 1, w e d on 't w ai ve a ny o f o ur a rg um en ts

2 t ha t t h er e w a s n o d ut y w h at so ev er . I g ue ss t ha t' s t h e

3 d an ge r i n c on se nt in g t o t hi s. W e d o n' t w a nt t o w a iv e

4 a ny o f t he a rg um en ts w e p re se nt ed o n t he l ac k o f s pe ci al

5 r el at io ns hi p, a ll o f t ho se t hi ng s t ha t w e h ad b ri ef ed .

6 B y c on se nt in g t o 3 70 1, w e w ai ve t ho se .

7 T HE C OU RT : I u nd er st an d w ha t y ou a re s ay in g.

8 B as ic al ly , b y a gr ee in g t ha t t ha t m ay b e g iv en , i t i s n ot

9 i n a g re em en t t h at t he re i s a s ta nd ar d o f c ar e. R ig ht ?

10 O r a d ut y?

11 M R. S CH NA CK : O r t ha t th er e wa s a d ut y.

12 THE COURT: All right. Okay. Noted.

13 3703: Relationship not disputed?

14 M R. S IM ON S: A gr ee d.

15 M R. S CH NA CK : A gr ee d.

16 T HE C OU RT : 3 72 0: S c op e o f e mp lo ym en t?



19 T HE C OU RT : 3 90 0: I n tr od uc ti on t o t or t

20 damages?



23 T HE C OU RT : 3 9 02 : E c on om ic a nd n on -e co no mi c

24 damages?



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2 T HE C OU RT : 3 90 3: I te ms o f e co no mi c d am ag e?



5 T HE C OU RT : 3 90 3: M ed ic al e xp en se s, p as t a nd

6 future?

7 M R. S IM ON S: A ct ua ll y, t he t it le i s

8 misleading.

9 T HE C OU RT : W e s ho ul d gi ve i t a p as s.

10 M R. S CH NA CK : T he y a re g oi ng t o h av e t he m i n

11 t he j ur y ro om . C or re ct ?

12 THE COURT: Yeah. We should get rid of

13 "past."

14 M R. S CH NA CK : A nd I t hi nk m ed ic al e xp en se s

15 s ho ul d b e c ha ng ed a s w el l i n t he t it le .

16 M R. S IM ON S: A ct ua ll y, t he re i s a t yp o i n

17 here besides.

18 THE COURT: All right. So let's agree. And

19 t hi s i s f o r o ur d ut y, s pe ak in g o f d u ty - - s o w e n ee d t o

20 c ha ng e t he t it le , a nd I t hi nk t he t em po ra l - - o r t im e

21 period.

22 S o ho w wo ul d w e li ke t o do it ? C er ta in ly we

23 g et r id o f p as t a nd - - s ho ul d w e s ay t he ra py e xp en se s,

24 future therapy expenses?

25 M R. S CH NA CK : O r t he ra py a nd c ou ns el in g


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1 expenses.

2 M R. S IM ON S: T he ra py a nd c ou ns el in g.

3 T HE C OU RT : S o l et 's c ha ng e t he t it le o n

4 that. And I'm going to put this aside. I can read it,

5 I t hi nk , i nto t he bo dy . S o w e ne ed t o c ha ng e t he ti tl e.

6 M R. S IM ON S: Th er e i s a ty po in t he b od y,

7 too.

8 THE COURT: Okay. And I want to -- I will

9 p ut t hi s o n t h e r ec or d. W it h t he m ag ni fi ce nt a mo un ts o f

10 p ap er p ro du ce d b y c ou ns el o n b ot h s id es , t hi s i s t he

11 f ir st t yp o I h av e n ot ic ed .

12 M R. S CH NA CK : A ls o i n t he l as t p hr as e, a ga in ,

13 o n 3 90 3- A, i t s a y s:

14 "Must prove reasonable cost or reasonably

15 necessary medical care that she has received."

16 T HE C OU RT : Y ea h, t ha t n ee ds t o b e a dd re ss ed .

17 M R. S CH NA CK : T ha t' s p as t t en se , a nd i t i s

18 medical care.

19 M R. S IM ON S: A nd w he re i n 3 90 3?

20 M R. M cC AB E: T he s ec on d l in e.

21 M R. S IM ON S: F ut ur e t he ra py a nd c ou ns el in g.

22 T HE C OU RT : T ha t s he w il l r ec ei ve .

23 MR. SIMONS: Medical care. Oh, I see. Yes.

24 M R. M cC AB E: An d t he n yo u ha ve to c ha ng e it

25 to future tense.


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1 M R. S CH NA CK : I t h as p as t t en se .

2 M R. S IM ON S: Sh e w il l re ce iv e. Y es .

3 M R. S CH NA CK : Or m ay r ec ei ve .

4 T HE C OU RT : A ct ua ll y, " ma y" i s m or e

5 appropriate in terms of tense.

6 M R. S CH NA CK : S o i t is g oi ng to b e fu tu re

7 therapy and counseling that she may receive?

8 T HE C OU RT : C or re ct .

9 MR. SIMONS: Okay. Let's see if we can get

10 that back.

11 T HE C OU RT : 3 90 4- A: P re se nt c as h v al ue .

12 A nd I w il l s ay o n t he r ec or d, a s I a lr ea dy

13 h av e, o ve r d ef en se o bj ec ti on , I a m a ll ow in g t he u se o f

14 t he a ct ua ry t ab le . B ut f or ge tt in g t h at - - o r c er ta in ly

15 not forgetting that, otherwise agreed?

16 M R. S CH NA CK : Y es . S ub je ct t o y ou r c om me nt s,

17 agreed.

18 M R. S IM ON S: A gr ee d, y es .

19 T HE C OU RT : 3 90 5: No n- ec on om ic d am ag e?


21 T HE C OU RT : 3 90 5- A?


23 T HE C OU RT : 3 92 4?


25 M R. S CH NA CK : I 'm tr yi ng t o ca tc h u p he re . I


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1 h av e b ee n s ic k o ve r t he w ee ke nd , J ud ge .

2 TH E CO URT : I w on 't d eta il f or y ou m y

3 challenges.

4 MR . SC HNA CK : W e ar e up to w he re ?

5 T HE C OU RT : 3 92 4.


7 T HE C OU RT : 3 92 5?

8 M R. S IM ON S: T he re w as n o o bj ec ti on .


10 T HE C OU RT : Li fe e xp ec ta nc y, 3 93 2?

11 M R. S CH NA CK : W e o bj ec te d, y ou r H on or , n o

12 e v id e nc e o f l if e e x pe c ta n cy .

13 T HE C OU RT : W it h t ha t e xc ep ti on n ot ed .

14 3 93 4: D am ag es f ro m m ul ti pl e l eg al t he or ie s,

15 I b el ie ve w e a ll a gr ee d o n t ha t.


17 M R. S IM ON S: A s i t w as m od if ie d, y es .

18 T HE C OU RT : 3 94 6: P un it iv e d am ag es a nd a ny

19 independent bifurcated trial, first phase.

20 I u nd er st an d w e a gr ee d o n t ha t?

21 M R. S CH NA CK : T he o nl y q ue st io n I h av e, y ou r

22 H on or , i s t he t it le , i f t hi s i s g oi ng t o g o i nt o t he

23 j u ry r o om ?


25 TH E CO URT : Y es . T hat i s a le gi ti ma te


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1 comment.

2 M R. S CH NA CK : I t hi nk j us t C as ey 3 94 6,

3 p er io d, p un it iv e d am ag es , s ho ul d b e t he o nl y t hi ng i n

4 t h e t i tl e ?

5 THE COURT: Okay. Let me make a note.

6 3 96 4: N o a tt or ne ys f ee s o r c os ts ?


8 TH E CO URT : 5 00 0: Dut ie s of j ud ge a nd ju ry ?


10 TH E CO URT : I 'm j us t goi ng t o go r ig ht

11 t hr ou gh i t, s in ce I k no w w e a gr ee d o n a ll t hi s.

12 So I 'm j ust g oi ng t o go a nd as k ye s.

13 5 04 2: E vi de nc e.

14 5 04 3: W it ne ss es .

15 5 00 5: M ul ti pl e p ar ti es .

16 5 00 6: N on -p er so n p ar ty .

17 5009: Pre-deliberation instructions.

18 5 01 0: T ak in g n ot es .

19 5 01 1: R ea di ng b ac k.

20 1 14 : B en ch c on fe re nc es a nd c on fe re nc es i n

21 chambers.

22 1 1 6: E le c tr o ni c c om m un i ca t io ns a n d r e se a rc h

23 being prohibited.

24 5 01 2: I nt ro du ct io n t o s pe ci al v er di ct f or m.

25 5 01 6: J ud ge s c om me nt in g o n e vi de nc e.


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1 A nd I m ig ht a dd t ha t I d is cu ss ed w it h c ou ns el

2 yesterday leaving in the first two sentences, striking

3 i n t he n ex t t hr ee , t el li ng t he m t o d is re ga rd m y c om me nt s

4 a nd c on te xt ua ll y, I s tr uc k t he l as t t hr ee s en te nc es o f

5 that.

6 5 00 7: P ol li ng t he j ur y.

7 5020: Demonstrative evidence.

8 W it h t he e xc ep ti on o f t he c om me nt I m ad e,

9 those are agreed?


11 T HE C OU RT : A ll ri gh t. Le t' s de al fi rs t wi th

12 2 00 7. I h av e i n st ru ct ed M r. S im on s t o a da pt t he d ef en se

13 p ro po se d i ns tr uc ti on o f F ri da y a s t o f ou r a ct s

14 r ef er en ce d t he re on t ha t a re t o b e c on si de re d f or

15 l ia bi li ty a s t o M r. K en dr ic k o nl y.

16 A ll r ig ht . S o a o ne -m in ut e d eb at e a bo ut

17 M s. M ar ti ne z a nd h er t es ti mo ny a s t o f ie ld s er vi ce .

18 M r. S im on s, t o y ou .

19 M R. S IM ON S: A s w e s ta te d, y ou r H on or , I

20 think the evidence supports admissible inference that

21 t he t im e f ra me w it hi n w hi ch M s. M ar ti ne z s aw M s. C on ti

22 i s i nd ee d t he t im e t ha t M s. C on ti s ta te d t ha t t he y w er e

23 i n s er vi ce t og et he r, w hi ch w as a ft er h er p ar en ts w er e n o

24 longer attending regularly with her for family reasons,

25 a nd t ha t w ou ld b e d ur in g t im e t ha t t he a bu se w as


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1 occurring.

2 T HE C OU RT : M r. S ch na ck ?

3 M R. S CH NA CK : W ha t M r. S im on s l ef t o ut a nd

4 th is is w ha t w e em ai le d t o, y ou r H ono r. An d w e ca n e ven

5 i nc lu de t ha t i n t he r ec or d i f w e h av e t o.

6 Ms. Martinez also testified that she never

7 s aw C an da ce C on ti i n f ie ld s er vi ce w it ho ut e it he r o ne o r

8 b ot h o f h er p ar en ts .

9 So that undercuts the argument that somehow

10 t hi s i s a dm is si bl e a s a ga in st e it he r W at ch to we r o r t he

11 North Congregation.

12 M R. S IM ON S: A nd I t hi nk t ha t m is qu ot es w ha t

13 she stated.

14 T HE C OU RT : W el l, y ou a re b ot h r ea so na bl y

15 a cc ur at e. B ut I r ea d b o th - - I , o f c ou rs e, l is te ne d t o

16 M s. C on ti 's t es ti mo ny . I r ea d b o th t ra ns cr ip ts .

17 I 'm n ot g oi ng t o i ns tr uc t t he m. I 'l l l et t he

18 j ur y c o ns id er t he t im e a n d c i rc um st an ce . A nd I w il l

19 i nt ro du ce a s p ar t o f t he r ec or d, M r. S ch na ck , t he e ma il

20 y ou s en t m e .

21 But the questioning and the cross-examination

22 s ta rt ed w it h a t t he H al l, a nd t he n w en t o n t o f ie ld

23 s er vi ce . S o t h er e a r e v ar io us i nf er en ce s o n e c o u ld g et

24 f ro m t he t es ti mo ny o f M s. C on ti t o t ha t t es ti mo ny .

25 M R. S CH NA CK : S o t he r ul in g i s w ha t?


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1 T HE C OU RT : T he r ul in g i s o n t he l im it in g

2 i ns tr uc ti on , I 'm n ot g oi ng t o i ns tr uc t a s t o

3 M s. M ar ti ne z a n d h er c om me nt s a b o ut f ie ld s er vi ce . O nl y

4 to be considered against Kendrick.

5 M R. S CH NA CK : W ha t a bo ut h er c om me nt s a bo ut

6 Candace Conti sitting on Jonathan Kendrick's lap from

7 1 99 1 t o 1 99 2 d ur in g B ib le s tu dy ?

8 That was included within the limiting

9 i ns tr uc ti on a s w el l, t o b e a pp li ca bl e o nl y t o K en dr ic k.

10 T HE C OU RT : I do n' t th in k it wa s wi th in t he

11 l im it in g i n st ru ct io n. S o l e t' s g e t i t u p .

12 D o y ou h av e i t o n y ou r c om pu te r?

13 M R. S CH NA CK : N o. I g o by Bl ac kb er ry , yo ur

14 Honor.

15 M R. S IM ON S: I h av e it h er e.

16 T HE C OU RT : S o l et 's r ea d it in a m in ut e.

17 H op ef ul ly , I c an g et i t u p o n m y c om pu te r.

18 M R. S IM ON S: T he i ns tr uc ti on s ay s f iv e - -

19 Conti/Martinez's testimony that Candace Conti sat on

20 J on at ha n K en dr ic k' s l ap i n a bo ut 1 99 1 o r ' 92 d ur in g a

21 Bible study.

22 THE COURT: Okay. Is that in a proposed

23 limiting instruction?

24 M R. S IM ON S: It is . I t' s th e l as t it em ,

25 Number 5.


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1 T HE C OU RT : O ka y. S o ca n so me bo dy ki nd o f

2 g iv e m e a c ur ve b al l i n t er ms o f h er t es ti mo ny a s t o t h e

3 f ie ld s er vi ce ? B ec au se t ha t' s g oi ng t o b e i n a s f ar a s

4 I'm concerned.

5 M R. S IM ON S: T he f ie ld s er vi ce w as s ep ar at e,

6 t ha t w as a s ep ar at e i ss ue .

7 T HE C OU RT : O ka y. 1 99 1 or ' 92 , I w il l li mi t

8 o n th at . O ka y.

9 M R. S CH NA CK : S o a s t he l im it in g i ns tr uc ti on

10 i s d ra ft ed , t he n t ha t w il l b e s ub mi tt ed ?

11 THE COURT: Yes. Was that in it?

12 M R. S IM ON S: It wa s.

13 THE COURT: All right. Then .5 will be in my

14 l im it in g i ns tr uc ti on a s t o 1 99 1 a nd ' 92 .

15 B ut - - a nd M r. S im on s t o y ou , g iv es y ou o ne

16 p oi nt ; a lt ho ug h i t w as n' t, I g ue ss , p ar t o f t he l im it in g

17 instruction.

18 M R. S CH NA CK : I h av e a c op y h er e, y ou r H on or ,

19 if yo u w ant t o s ee i t.

20 T HE C OU RT : T ha t w ou ld b e h el pf ul .

21 M R. S IM ON S: I t w as p ar t o f t he o ri gi na l

22 r eq ue st o f l im it in g i ns tr uc ti on . T he f ie ld s er vi ce w as

23 n ot , b ut t he s it ti ng o n t he k ne e w as .

24 T HE C OU RT : Y ea h, an d I' m go in g t o go a lo ng

25 wi th th at . A nd I to ld y ou i n t er ms o f t he b ri ef


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1 submitting that was convincing that the field service

2 s tu ff w as i n a nd w il l n ot b e s ub je ct t o l im it in g

3 instruction.

4 A ll r ig ht . T o t he d ef en se f or a mo me nt , I

5 u nd er st an d w e h av e s om e c ha ng es t o e ff ec t, d o y ou w an t

6 t o m ak e a f ur th er r ec or d a bo ut e it he r t he d ut y o f c ar e

7 or un-named, un-served parties being part of the verdict

8 form?

9 A nd I 'm g oi ng t o d ea l w it h t he s pe ci al

10 v er di ct f or m a s i t s ta nd s a t t hi s p oi nt .

11 M R. S CH NA CK : J us t b ri ef ly , y ou r H on or , w e d o

12 o bv io us ly , f o ll ow a ll t he b ri ef in g w e s ub mi tt ed . A nd a s

13 y ou r H on or h as n ot ed i n p ri or p ro ce ed in gs , y ou a re

14 b re ak in g n e w g r ou nd h er e. T he re h as n ev er b ee n a c as e

15 i n C al if or ni a t ha t a ny on e c ou ld f in d i n w hi ch a s pe ci al

16 r el at io ns hi p w as f ou nd w it h r es pe ct t o a m in or w it h

17 r eg ar d t o a m er e c hu rc h m em be r l ik e K en dr ic k w as h er e,

18 b ut o th er wi se w e w il l r el y o n o ur b ri ef in g, w hi ch h as

19 already been submitted.

20 W it h r es pe ct t o t he a ll oc at io n o f f au lt

21 i ss ue , t he c as es w e' ve s ub mi tt ed s ho w t ha t w e t hi nk

22 t he re i s c le ar e rr or n ot t o i nc lu de t he o th er p ar ti es o n

23 the verdict form.

24 A nd t he re h as b ee n s ev er al r ev er sa ls o f t ri al

25 c ou rt s b y t he C al if or ni a A pp el la te C ou rt t o a ll ow s uc h


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1 a ll oc at io n. W e t h in k i t 's c le ar er h er e.

2 M R. M cC AB E: E sp ec ia ll y, y ou r H on or , w it h

3 r eg ar d t o t he p ar en ts . I f t he y a l lo w t he ir c hi ld t o g o

4 h un dr ed s o f t im es w it h K en dr ic k, t ha t i s j us t b ey on d t he

5 pale.

6 T ha t i s a n i nf er en ce t he j ur y c ou ld d ra w i n

7 t hi s c a se i f t h ey b el ie ve M s. C on ti 's t es ti mo ny . A nd

8 t he p ar en ts h av e a d ut y u nd er t he s ta tu te o f t he W el fa re

9 a nd I ns ti tu ti on C od es t o c ar e f or t he ir c hi ld re n, a nd n o

10 p ar en t t od ay , i n 1 99 3 t o 2 01 2, s ho ul d o r c ou ld

11 c on sc io na bl y a ll ow t he ir c hi ld t o g o h un dr ed s o f t im es

12 w it h a n a d ul t s i ng le m al e, a s M s. C on ti t es ti fi ed . A nd

13 i f t he y d id t ha t, o ur b el ie f i s t ha t t he y s ho ul d b e

14 ad ded t o t he ju ry fo rm . A nd we w il l s ubm it on t ha t.

15 T HE C OU RT : A nd l oo k, I w as c on si de ri ng , y ou

16 k no w, w he re - - I g ue ss i n t er ms o f t he i nt on at io n, t he

17 b uc k s to ps h er e a s a j ud ge , b ut i f I w en t a lo ng w it h

18 t ha t r ul in g, I , a s a c om mi tt ed p ar en t - - a nd w e w er e a nd

19 am an d ar e -- an d my b es t f ri en d wh om I ha ve k no wn f or

20 f or ty y ea rs , I h av e n o k no wl ed ge a nd n o o bs er va ti on s o f

21 activities that would lead a reasonable person acting

22 r ea so na bl y t o b el ie ve t ha t t ha t p er so n w ho m I h av e

23 kn own - - I ca n m ak e - - i f y ou w an t t o us e a sp or ts

24 f ig ur e, J im B oh ei m, t he S yr ac us e c oa ch , t he c oa ch t ha t

25 w as n ex t t o h im f or 3 6 y ea rs , w as a cc us ed .


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1 B ut u nd er t ho se c ir cu ms ta nc es , i f I c ho os e t o

2 e xp an d d ut ie s, t he n e ve ry p ar en t o f e ve ry c hi ld i n t he

3 S ta te o f C al if or ni a i s s ub je ct t o a l aw su it b y t he ir

4 c hi ld re n a s t o n ot p ro te ct in g t he m.

5 T ha t' s w hy , y ou k no w, I h av e e ff ec ti ve ly

6 ruled that unless the evidentiary record shows these

7 p ar en ts h ad a ct ua l k no wl ed ge o r - - a nd I g ue ss u nd er

8 Juarez --

9 W el l, I d on 't kn ow . T ha t' s ki nd of a

10 v ol un te er c as e. B ut t he c as es t ha t w e re c it ed t ha t I

11 w en t a nd d id m or e l eg al r es ea rc h o n, m in im al ly , t he y

12 w ou ld h av e t o h av e a c tu al k no wl ed ge . W e c o ul d h a ve a

13 d eb at e o r r ea so n t o b el ie ve , b ut I d on 't t hi nk e it he r

14 s ta nd ar d i s m et i n t hi s c as e.

15 M R. S CH NA CK : Y ou r H on or , i f I c ou ld b e h ea rd

16 o n t ha t j us t b ri ef ly ?

17 T HE C OU RT : S ur e.

18 M R. S CH NA CK : T he re w as e vi de nc e s ub mi tt ed b y

19 t he P la in ti ff t ha t N ea l C on ti w as o n t he s am e t ra in

20 s it ti ng a cr os s f ro m a t ab le i n t he a n A mt ra k t ra in w he n

21 K en dr ic k a bu se d C a n da ce . I n h i s p re se nc e, s it ti ng

22 ac ros s t he ta bl e. A nd y et h e a ll ow ed h er t he n t o go

23 h un dr ed s o f t im es ? W e t hi nk t h e e vi de nc e i s t he re . B ut

24 w e w il l s ub mi t i t o n t he b ri ef in g.

25 T HE C OU RT : A nd l oo k, I d id n' t s ay i t w as n' t


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1 a n i n te re st in g q u es ti on . I t w as a g oo d j ob d on e b y

2 l aw ye rs . B ut I r ea ll y d o h av e c o nc er ns , p a rt p ub li c

3 policy and part is specifically contextually within the

4 r ec or d h er e a s t o r ea so ns f or m ak in g m y r ul in g.

5 O ka y. So w e a re w or ki ng , as fa r as t he Co ur t

6 is concerned, on redoing 207.

7 3903-A.

8 T he re i s o ne m or e.

9 3 94 6. I' m go in g t o le t co un se l d o th at f or a

10 li ttl e b it. I t ol d t he ju ry we a re g oi ng to h av e t hem

11 h er e a t 9 :0 0.

12 M R. S CH NA CK : W e a ls o h av e a v er di ct f or m,

13 your Honor.

14 T HE C OU RT : L et 's t ak e a p au se t o r ef re sh a nd

15 c at ch u p t o w h at w e j us t d i d.

16 M R. S IM ON S: S o h er e' s t he u pd at ed 3 90 3- A.

17 MR. McCABE: Can I give you a copy of our

18 proposed special verdict form?

19 T HE C OU RT : W hy do n' t yo u gi ve it t o Ri ck ?

20 M R. M cC AB E: I j us t di d.

21 T HE C OU RT : S o t hi s wo ul d be 20 00 ?

22 M R. S IM ON S: Y ou r H on or , c an I j us t c al l h er ?

23 It is a l ot ea si er t o d o it o n t he ph one .

24 T HE C OU RT : Y ea h. W ha t I ha ve is b et we en

25 ha ve to g et - - a re y ou w it h m e?


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1 M R. S IM ON S: No .

2 THE COURT: Well, do it with me so we can be

3 productive.

4 M R. S IM ON S: O n t he l im it in g i ns tr uc ti on o n

5 20 7, I' m n ot su re we h av e a d ra ft . S he w ill h av e t o

6 b as ic al ly t yp e i t u p f ro m s cr at ch .

7 T HE C OU RT : O ka y.

8 M R. S IM ON S: (T o a p er so n on th e ph on e) S o w e

9 a re i n c o ur t. H er e i s t he t hi ng , o pe ni ng u p 3 9 03 -A , d o

10 y ou s ee h ow i t s ay s " me di ca l e xp en se s" i n t he b ot to m i n

11 here?

12 T HE C OU RT : Y es , h er e is w ha t I 'm g oi ng t o

13 s ug ge st . M r. S ch na ck a nd M r. S im on s, g iv e m e y ou r

14 p ro po se d l im it ed i ns tr uc ti on . I 'm j us t g o i ng t o r ea d

15 t ha t t o t he j ur y, a nd t he n w e w il l h av e M r. S im on s'

16 s ta ff - -

17 M r. S im on s, I 'm g oi ng t o m ak e i t e as ie r.

18 G iv e m e, i n h a nd wr it in g, y ou r r ev is ed 3 90 3. Y ou h av e t o

19 d ea l w it h c ha ng es o n t he t it le a nd a l it tl e b it o n

20 s ub st an ce . B ut g iv e m e y ou r h a nd wr it te n v e rs io n a n d I

21 w il l r ea d t ha t t o t he j ur y, t he a gr ee d u po n c ha ng e.

22 MR. SIMONS: Okay. I think we can do that.

23 A nd f or s om e r ea so n t he p ub li c n et wo rk a cc es s j us t

24 c o ll ap se d. E ma il . O ff th e r ec or d.

25 (Break taken)


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1 TH E CO URT : B ac k on t he re co rd . T hi s was

2 p re se nt ed t o t he C ou rt , a nd t hi s C ou rt d ea ls w it h t hi s.

3 "Criminal sexual misconduct falls

4 o ut si de t he c ou rs e a nd s co pe o f a ge nc y a nd

5 s ho ul d n ot b e i mp ut ed t o t he p ri nc ip le .

6 A p e rs on i s o t he r wi s e r es p on s ib l e f o r

7 h ar m c au se d b y t he w ro ng fu l c on du ct o f i ts

8 a ge nt w hi le t he a ge nt i s a ct in g w it hi n t he

9 s co pe o f a ut ho ri ty g iv en t o h im ."

10 N ow , M r. S ch na ck , t o y ou , y ou w an t t o a dd a

11 s en te nc e: J on at ha n K en dr ic k - -

12 M R. S CH NA CK : I w ou ld s ta rt :

13 " I i n st ru c t y o u t h at J on a th a n K e nd r ic k w a s

14 n ot a n a ge nt o f d ef en da nt W at ch to we r B ib le a nd T ra ct

15 S o ci e ty o f N e w Y o rk o r N o rt h F r em o nt C o ng r eg a ti o n;

16 h ow ev er , t ha t d ef en da nt i s b ei ng n am ed . W at ch to we r

17 B i bl e a n d T r ac t S o ci e ty . "

18 TH E CO URT : I w an t to s ay a li tt le m or e th an

19 th at . N ot - - b ec au se w e w ant t o l et t he j ur y d o t hei r

20 job.

21 H e w as n' t a n a ge nt - - a nd I 'm g oi ng t o r ea d

22 t he d ef en da nt s' n am es . I n t h e e v en t y o u d e te rm in e a

23 s e xu a l b a tt er y o c cu r re d h e re , o k ay - -

24 D o y ou u nd er st an d t he C ou rt 's t hi nk in g o n

25 t h at o n e, f o lk s ?


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1 Mr. Simons, any comment?

2 M R. S IM ON S: No .

3 M R. S CH NA CK : T ha t' s f in e, y ou r H on or .

4 M R. M cC AB E: T ha t' s f in e, y ou r H on or .

5 T HE C OU RT : A ll r ig ht . F ur th er , f or r ec or d

6 pu rpo se s o nly - - g iv e m e a s eco nd . L et m e t ak e a pa us e

7 and refresh this.

8 A ll r ig ht . I 'm p le as ed t o r el at e I h av e t he

9 i ns tr uc ti on s i n g o od o rd er . W e a re g oi ng o ff t he r ec or d

10 for one second.

11 (Break taken).

12 T HE C OU RT : O n t he r ec or d.

13 3903 is in good order. So allow me to --

14 okay.

15 N ic e wo rk t o t he d ef en se o n - - ye ah . G oo d.

16 All right.

17 M r. S im on s, w e a re d ow n t o t it le o f 3 90 3- A

18 a nd t he p un it iv e d a ma ge s t i tl e. N ow , I ' m r e al ly r ea dy

19 t o in st ru ct . A ll r i gh t.

20 M R. S IM ON S: I t hi nk y ou h av e t he 3 90 3- A.

21 THE COURT: I do.

22 M R. S IM ON S: So 39 46 w e ju st ne ed t o pr in t

23 out.

24 THE COURT: Well, I have 207 ready to go. I

25 h av e 3 90 3- A r ea dy t o g o. I h av e t he s pe ci al d ut y a nd


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1 t he s pe ci al i ns tr uc ti on t ha t i s g oi ng t o g o a ft er 3 92 0.

2 So done.

3 M R. S CH NA CK : I d o h av e o ne c om me nt , y ou r

4 Honor.

5 T HE C OU RT : P un it iv e d am ag es t it le i s w ha t

6 I'm looking for.

7 M R. S CH NA CK : 2 07 , i t h as t he b ra ck et

8 language in there.

9 T HE C OU RT : I a lr ea dy t oo k t ha t o ut .

10 M R. S CH NA CK : O ka y. T ha t is g on e f ro m wh at

11 w il l g o i n t he j ur y r oo m?

12 T HE C OU RT : A ct ua ll y, I s cr at ch ed o ut . B ut

13 w e n e ed t o m e ch an ic al ly d o i t. I w as n' t g o in g t o g iv e

14 i t t o t he j ur y.

15 M R. S IM ON S: 2 07 i s t he o ne y ou - - b as ic al ly ,

16 t he o ne y ou s ub mi tt ed , i s t he o ne w e u se d.

17 M R. S CH NA CK : I kn ow . B ut i t h as b ra ck et ,

18 "then read limiting instruction."

19 I f t ha t' s g oi ng t o t he j ur y, t ha t s ho ul d n ot

20 b e i n t he re .

21 T HE C OU RT : W el l, a ct ua ll y, I t hi nk w e c an

22 j us t g et r id o f 2 07 a nd d ea l w it h t he s pe ci al j ur y

23 i ns tr uc ti on s. I w as a lr ea dy w it h y o u o n t ha t o n e.

24 M R. S CH NA CK : A ll r ig ht .

25 T HE C OU RT : S o w e ar e do wn to t he p un it iv e


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1 damages instruction and the special verdict.

2 S o l et 's t ak e a p au se a nd r ef re sh u s.

3 I w an t to m ak e m y re co rd o n t hi s. Th er e h av e

4 b ee n a - - m y f at he r u se d t o s ay " a s le w o f s p ec ia l j u ry

5 instructions submitted."

6 S o I 'm g oi ng t o g o t hr ou gh t he m a s f ol lo ws :

7 Plaintiff supplemental Number l, I have

8 e ff ec ti ve ly d ea lt w it h b y r ew ri ti ng t he d ut y a nd c ar e

9 i ns tr uc ti on . S o i t w as d en ie d a s p r e se nt ed .

10 The Plaintiff's supplemental Number 2 went to

11 a v ol un te er n ot e u n de r J u ar ez . I d en ie d t h at .

12 N um be r 3 w as a r et oo li ng o f 2 08 t o i nc lu de

13 t he q uo te o r v id eo t ha t w as a gr ee d t o b y c ou ns el a ll a s

14 m od if ie d. T he re h av e b ee n a s er ie s o f - -

15 Plaintiff also submitted Number 4, I believe,

16 w hi ch t al ke d a bo ut c on fi de nt ia li ty a nd p ri vi le ge . I

17 e ff ec ti ve ly r ew ro te - - I d en ie d i t i n p ar t b ut n ot i n

18 s ub st an ce . I h av e i n c lu de d t h at w it hi n m y l im it in g

19 i ns tr uc ti on a nd e xp la na ti on t o t h e j u ry . A nd w e h a ve

20 a lr ea dy p ut t ha t o n t he r ec or d.

21 N ow , t he d ef en se h as s ub mi tt ed a n e nt ir e

22 number of supplemental proposed jury instructions,

23 r el at iv e t o d ut y o f c ar e. D en ie d - -

24 W el l, l et m e r ef ra me i t th is wa y: I ha ve

25 denied defense's request for supplemental jury


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1 i ns tr uc ti on s w it h t he e xc ep ti on o f t he o ne t ha t h as n ow

2 b ec om e t he s pe ci al j ur y i ns tr uc ti on N um be r 2 07 a s t o

3 sexual misconduct not being within the scope and course.

4 G iv e m e a s ec on d i n t er ms o f c om me nt s;

5 o th er wi se , I h av e t hi s a ll l in ed u p.

6 A nd I m ig ht a dd , t he o ne I h av e j us t a gr ee d

7 t o g iv es a b it o f s pe ci al j ur y i ns tr uc ti on n um be r - -

8 strike that.

9 N um be r 2 a bo ut h im n ot a ct in g w it hi n t he

10 scope.

11 I d en ie d Nu mb er 3. I ha ve fo un d a sp ec ia l

12 r el at io ns hi p e xi st in g h er e s uc h t ha t a d ut y o f c ar e - -

13 This is defense supplemental.

14 D ut y o f c ar e d oe s e xi st .

15 I h av e d en ie d r eq ue st N um be r 4 i n t er ms o f

16 the parents' duty, effectively and contextually.

17 I n ot e, j us t i n p as si ng , t ha t i n t he M ay 1 6

18 filing of special instructions, there is no reference

19 Nu mbe r 1 . It i s l ik e t he 13 th fl oo r o f t he ho te l.

20 A ll r ig ht . T ha t i s ou r re co rd fo r th e

21 minute.

22 M R. S CH NA CK : Y ou r H on or , o ne a dd it io na l

23 t hi ng . T he a pp el la te l aw ye rs a lw ay s t e ll u s t h at i n

24 case you didn't specifically mention any special

25 i ns tr uc ti on , t ha t t he r eq ue st h ad b ee n d en ie d d ue t o t he


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1 extent we haven't addressed one.

2 T HE C OU RT : T he y a re d en ie d.

3 The special verdict form.

4 L et m e ma ke a pr ef ac e se t o f re ma rk s. An d

5 t he r ec or d w il l r ef le ct n ic e w or k f ro m t he S im on s L aw

6 O ff ic e. 3 94 6 is d on e.

7 O ka y. T he re h as b ee n - - w el l, f ir st o f a ll ,

8 ha ve we a gr ee d o n a sp ec ia l v er di ct y et ? I as k a bu ll et

9 question.

10 M R. S IM ON S: T he re i s o ne r em ai ni ng i ss ue .

11 W e a re g oi ng w it h t he f or m t ha t t he d ef en se p re pa re d

12 because of the Court's decision to include Abrahamson

13 a nd C la rk e o n t he v er di ct f or m.

14 However, the defense special verdict form as

15 p re se nt ed h as t he q ue st io n o f m al ic e o n a s ep ar at e p ag e

16 after the signature line.

17 THE COURT: You win on that one. I noticed

18 t ha t b e fo re w e e v en h ad a d is cu ss io n. I w an t t h at w he re

19 y ou h ad i t.

20 M R. S CH NA CK : A ct ua ll y, t he o ne w e j us t

21 submitted has the signature line for the presiding juror

22 after the malice question.

23 Things move quickly here, your Honor.

24 T HE C OU RT : W el l, y ou a re s ta rt in g t o r ea d

25 t he j ud ge 's m in d. T ha t' s n i ce w or k.


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1 B ut M r. S im on s, y ou a re g oi ng t o w in t ha t

2 point.

3 W el l, l et 's s ee . I ju st g ot ha nd ed a n ew

4 one.

5 M R. S IM ON S: W el l, i t' s s ti ll a s ep ar at e

6 qu est io n o n t he ne w o ne. An d i n my v ie w, I th in k i t

7 s ho ul d g o a ft er - - i t s ho ul d b e N um be r 5 , a nd t he n 5

8 b ec om es 6 , a nd 6 b ec om es 7 .

9 M R. S CH NA CK : W e t hi nk i t s ho ul d c om e a ft er

10 p er ce nt ag e a ll oc at io n. T ha t s ho ul d b e t he l as t q ue st io n

11 o n t h e f o rm .

12 THE COURT: Well, let me see -- I want to see

13 the latest Simons' version right now.

14 M R. S IM ON S: T he l at es t S im on s' v er si on h as

15 al rea dy b ee n ju nk ed . Bu t it i s h er e. Th is i s h ow I d id

16 it .

17 T HE C OU RT : T ha t w as j un ke d w it h a n E -D ?

18 M R. S IM ON S: J un ke d w it h p as t t en se .

19 T HE C OU RT : N ow , h av in g s ai d t ha t - - o ka y.

20 Okay. I will go with -- let me put on the

21 r ec or d t he re w er e i ss ue s a s t o m e t o s pe ci fi ca ll y

22 i de nt if y t h e e ld er s/ ag en ts . I i nd ic at ed t ha t - - a nd

23 t ha t w a s p r om ot ed b y d e fe ns e. A nd h av in g r e ad t he

24 agreed upon instruction 3701, I believe for consistency

25 and explanation purposes that was legitimate on the


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1 verdict form, which apparently has been changed to

2 reflect that.

3 T he q ue st io n a s t o m al ic e w il l b e a s p re pa re d

4 i n t he l at es t v er si on o f t he v er di ct f or m o f M r. S im on s.

5 M R. S CH NA CK : C an we s ee a co py o f th at ?

6 T HE C OU RT : I t i s -- a nd f or th e fu tu re , i t

7 l oo ks l ik e t o m e, b ut I a m r ea di ng t he h an dw ri tt en

8 version.

9 A nd , c ou ns el , l et 's b e v er y c le ar o n t he

10 r ec or d, I 'm n ot s ay in g i t' s g oi ng i nt o t ha t j ur y r oo m o n

11 a s pe ci al v er di ct u nt il w e s ee t he c le an ed u p c op y o f

12 same.

13 M R. S IM ON S: Wh ic h I w ou ld l ik e t o be a bl e t o

14 s ho w t he j ur y d ur in g c lo si ng a rg um en ts a s w el l a nd

15 discuss with them.

16 T HE C OU RT : O ka y. T h at 's n ot u nu su al .

17 M R. S CH NA CK : Y ou r H on or , w e w ou ld a sk t ha t

18 q ue st io n N um be r 7 r eg ar di ng m al ic e g o a t t he e nd o f t he

19 v er di ct f or m r at he r t ha n b ef or e, a sk in g f or a mo un t o f

20 damages and allocation.

21 T HE C OU RT : M r. Si mo ns , I th in k t ha t I wa nt

22 t o k e ep t ha t p o rt io n s e pa ra te a nd a pa rt . I d on 't w an t

23 t o w r it e a b ov e i t t he e co no mi c d a ma ge s q u es ti on . I w an t

24 it right after the "before."

25 M R. M cC AB E: Y ou r H on or , I h av e t hi s


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1 e le ct ro ni ca ll y i n c o ur t. W e c a n j us t t ak e o f f t hi s

2 s ec ti on h er e a nd m ak e t hi s q ue st io n N um be r 7 .

3 TH E CO URT : T ha t' s fin e. Th at 's f ine . S o

4 t he re i s c on si st en cy o f t he q ue st io ns , b ut t he d am ag es

5 t ha t a re n ot - - w it h m al ic e - -

6 M R. S CH NA CK : M a li ce a t t he e nd .

7 TH E CO URT : O ka y. So, H il l, g o ad dr ess t he

8 ju ry . T el l the m we a re s ti ll w ork in g. We w ill n ot b e

9 long.

10 L et 's g et t he s pe ci al v er di ct f or m a nd g o t o

11 work.

12 M r. S im on s, I w an t t o p ut o n t he r ec or d, a ll

13 t he c ha ng es r ef er en ce d h a ve b ee n m a de . N ic e w o rk ,

14 counsel.

15 N o w, l e t' s r e to o l t h e s p ec i al v e rd i ct f o rm .

16 (Break taken)

17 TH E CO URT : O n th e re cor d, w e ar e go in g to

18 r ev ie w a s pe ci al v er di ct f or m a nd w e a re a ll i n

19 a gr ee me nt w it h i t a s s tr uc tu re d a t t hi s t im e?

20 M R. S IM ON S: B as ed o n t he C ou rt 's r ul in gs ,

21 yes.

22 M R. M cC AB E: Y es , y ou r H on or .

23 M R. S CH NA CK : Ye s, y ou r H on or .

24 TH E CO URT : O ka y. Bas ed u po n my r ul ing s.

25 A l l r i g ht .


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1 (Whereupon, the following proceedings

2 w er e h ea rd i n t he p re se nc e o f j ur or s)

3 T HE C OU RT : A ll ri gh t. Fi rs t of al l, t ha nk

4 y ou a s a l wa ys . H op ef ul ly y ou h ad a n ic e w e ek en d.

5 I f I kn ew t he n w ha t I kn ow no w, I w ou ld ha ve

6 b ro ug ht y ou i n a t 9 :3 0. S o I a po lo gi ze f or n ot g et ti ng

7 y ou o n b oa rd a t 8 :3 0.

8 I c an t el l y ou c ou ns el w or ke d t hi s w ee ke nd

9 a nd e ar ly t hi s m or ni ng , s o t he t im e w as v al ua bl e a nd

10 used well by everyone.

11 I n a m om en t, I 'm g oi ng t o g iv e y ou t he

12 i ns tr uc ti on s i n t h is m at te r. F or t ho se w ho a re g oi ng t o

13 r et ir e t o d el ib er at e, y ou w il l h av e a c op y o f t he

14 i ns tr uc ti on i n t ha t r oo m w it h y ou . S o a s f a r a s

15 i ns tr uc ti on , I d on 't t hi nk y ou n ee d t o t ak e n ot es .

16 M y p re fe re nc e, p ar ti cu la rl y i n a c as e o f s uc h

17 sophistication, is to give you the instructions before

18 the closing argument.

19 The studies say, and my observations confirm,

20 t ha t i t i s o ft en h el pf ul t o h av e y ou t hi nk in g a bo ut t he

21 instructions as you listen to argument from various

22 c ou ns el i n a c as e l ik e t h i s.

23 S o I' m go in g t o as k yo u al l t o re la x fo r a

24 mo men t. It i s g oi ng t o t ake a li tt le w hi le to r ea d

25 these instructions. Understanding, of course, that you


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1 a re g oi ng t o h av e t he m i n t he r oo m w it h y ou .

2 Y ou a ls o h av e - - y ou c an r eq ue st a ny e xh ib it s

3 y ou w an t, a nd I w il l e xp la in t o y ou t he p ro ce ss o f h ow

4 y ou d el ib er at e a nd u nd er w ha t c ir cu ms ta nc es i n a m om en t

5 within the context of the instructions.

6 A ft er I f in is h, c ou ns el w il l m ak e c lo si ng

7 a rg um en t. A ft er i nn at e c lo si ng a rg um en t m y b ai li ff w il l

8 b e s wo rn , h e w il l b e y ou r s te wa rd , t he o ne s w ho g o i nt o

9 d el ib er at in g, h e w il l b e t he a cc es s p oi nt b et we en c ou rt

10 and counsel and yourselves.

11 A nd w e h av e h ad t o p la y a l it tl e m us ic al

12 c ha ir s w it h, y ou b ec au se w e h av e s o m an y j ur ie s g oi ng

13 o n, b ut I b el ie ve y ou a re i n t he D ep ar tm en t 1 5, i n t ha t

14 ju ry ro om f or a s l on g a s y ou ne ed t o d eli ber at e. We

15 w il l s ee w ha t y ou r v er di ct i s a nd t he n w e w il l g o f ro m

16 there.

17 H av in g s ai d t he s am e, I 'm g oi ng t o i ns tr uc t

18 you as follows:

19

20 JURY INSTRUCTIONS BY THE JUDGE

21 T HE C OU RT : C as ey 2 00 : O bl ig at io n t o p ro ve

22 m or e l ik el y t ru e t ha n n ot t ru e.

23 A p ar ty m us t p er su ad e y ou b y t he e vi de nc e

24 p re se nt ed i n c ou rt t ha t w ha t h e o r s he i s r eq ui re d t o

25 pr ove i s m ore l ike ly t o b e t rue t ha n n ot t ru e. Th is i s


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1 r ef er re d t o a s, q uo te , t he b ur de n o f p ro of , e nd o f

2 quote.

3 A ft er w ei gh in g a ll o f t he e vi de nc e, i f y ou

4 c an no t d ec id e t ha t s om et hi ng i s m or e l ik el y t o b e t ru e

5 t ha n n ot t ru e, y ou m us t c on cl ud e t ha t t he p ar ty d id n ot

6 prove it.

7 Y ou s ho ul d c on si de r a ll t he e vi de nc e n o

8 matter which party produced the evidence.

9 In criminal trials the prosecution must prove

10 t ha t t he d ef en da nt i s g ui lt y b ey on d a r ea so na bl e d ou bt ,

11 b ut i n c iv il t ri al s s uc h a s t hi s o ne , t he p ar ty m us t

12 o nl y p ro ve t ha t i t i s m or e l ik el y t o b e t ru e t ha n n ot

13 true.

14 C as ey 2 01 : M or e l ik el y t ru e w it h c le ar a nd

15 convincing evidence.

16 C er ta in f ac ts m us t b e p ro ve d b y c le ar a nd

17 c on vi nc in g e vi de nc e, w hi ch i s a h ig he r b ur de n o f p ro of .

18 T hi s m ea ns t he p ar ty m us t p er su ad e y ou t ha t i t i s h ig hl y

19 p ro ba bl e t ha t t he f ac t i s t r ue . I w il l t el l y ou

20 s pe ci fi ca ll y w hi ch f ac ts m us t b e t ru e b y c le ar a nd

21 convincing evidence.

22 C as ey 2 02 : D ir ec t a nd i nd ir ec t e vi de nc e.

23 E vi de nc e ca n co me in m an y fo rm s. I t ca n be

24 t es ti mo ny a bo ut w ha t s om eo ne s aw o r h ea rd o r s me ll ed .

25 I t c a n b e a n e x hi bi t a dm it te d i n to e vi de nc e. I t c an b e


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1 someone's opinion.

2 Some evidence proves the fact directly, such

3 a s t es ti mo ny o f a w it ne ss w ho s aw a j et p la ne f ly in g

4 across the sky.

5 Some evidence proves the fact indirectly such

6 a s t es ti mo ny o f a w it ne ss w ho s aw o nl y t he w hi te t ra il

7 that jet planes often leave.

8 This indirect evidence is sometimes referred

9 to as "cir

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