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1 Topics in Melanocytic Neoplasia Geoff Gottlieb MD Ackerman Academy of Dermatopathology Folklore in Melanocytic Neoplasia Folklore in Melanocytic Neoplasia The Religion of THE DYSPLASTIC NEVUS What is it?

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Topics in Melanocytic

Neoplasia

Geoff Gottlieb MD

Ackerman Academy of

Dermatopathology

Folklore in Melanocytic Neoplasia

Folklore in Melanocytic NeoplasiaThe Religion of

THE DYSPLASTIC NEVUS

• What is it?

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THE DYSPLASTIC NEVUS

• What is it?

• The presence and grading of atypia.

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THE DYSPLASTIC NEVUS

• What is it?

• The presence and grading of atypia.

THE DYSPLASTIC NEVUS

• What is it?

• The presence and grading of atypia.

• Is it a precursor of melanoma?

Clark and Elder’s opinion

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Clark and Elder’s opinion..NOIs the DN the most common

precursor melanoma?

Is the DN the most common precursor melanoma?

• NO!

Is the DN the most common precursor melanoma?

• NO!

• Superficial congenital nevi are!

It is just one type of nevus! It is just one type of nevus!

• Clark’s nevus

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It is just one type of nevus!

• Clark’s nevus

– No grading of atypia

– No margins on shave biopsies

– No recommendation for re-excision ordinarily

NONDIAGNOSES

NONDIAGNOSES

• Borderline

• Minimal Deviation

• MELTUMP

• SAMPUS

The diagnoses of a melanocytic neoplasm:

The diagnoses of a melanocytic neoplasm:

• NEVUS

The diagnoses of a melanocytic neoplasm:

• NEVUS

• MELANOMA

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The diagnoses of a melanocytic neoplasm:

• NEVUS

• MELANOMA

• NEVUS AND MELANOMA

The diagnoses of a melanocytic neoplasm:

• NEVUS

• MELANOMA

• NEVUS AND MELANOMA

• “I DON’T KNOW”

The diagnoses of a melanocytic neoplasm:

• NEVUS

• MELANOMA

• NEVUS AND MELANOMA

• “I DON’T KNOW” “I’M NOT SURE”

Melanoma Excision: Wider for Deeper

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Wider for deeper have always

been arbitrary recommendations without hard data to support them!

It makes no sense biologically!

The Sentinel Node Biopsy The Sentinel Node Biopsy

• Does it have therapeutic benefit?

– An indication for elective lymph node dissection?

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The Sentinel Node Biopsy

• Does it have therapeutic benefit?

– An indication for elective lymph node dissection?

The Sentinel Node Biopsy

• Does it have therapeutic benefit?

– An indication for elective lymph node dissection?...NO

GAME OVER

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Site Of First Recurrence at ANY SITENEJM 2006;355:1311

Observation (500) Sentinel Node (769)

Nodal 65 (13%) 32 (4.2%)

Distant 39 (7.8%) 85 (11%)

Local 30 (6%) 42 (5.5%)

NO 366(73.2) 610 (79.3)

Recurrence

The Sentinel Node Biopsy

• Does it have prognostic significance?

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1. 5 Year survival is 72% for SN+ and 90%

for SN-

1. 5 Year survival is 72% for SN+ and 90%

for SN-

2. Percent survival for an individual patient

at any time is 0 or 100%.

1. 5 Year survival is 72% for SN+ and 90%

for SN-

2. Percent survival for an individual patient

at any time is 0 or 100%.

3. A negative SNB does not mean that

metastasis of melanoma has not occurred.

1. 5 Year survival is 72% for SN+ and 90%

for SN-

2. Percent survival for an individual patient

at any time is 0 or 100%.

3. A negative SNB does not mean that

metastasis of melanoma has not occurred.

50% of patients who died of melanoma never had +LNs

1. 5 Year survival is 72% for SN+ and 90%

for SN-

2. Percent survival for an individual patient

at any time is 0 or 100%.

3. A negative SNB does not mean that

metastasis of melanoma has not occurred.

50% of patients who died of melanoma never had +LNs

4. The data is suspect.

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The Sentinel Node Biopsy

• Does it have prognostic significance?

The Sentinel Node Biopsy

• Does it have prognostic significance?

– NOT MUCH!

If SNB has little or no therapeutic or prognostic value, can it be of

potential harm to the patient?

• YES!

Lymph Node InvolvementNEJM 2006;355:1312

Observation (500) Sentinel Node (764)

78 (15.5%) 122 (16.0%)

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Lymph Node InvolvementNEJM 2006;355:1312

Observation (500) Sentinel Node (764)

78 (15.5%) 122 (16.0%)

Conclusion: A positive SN would

eventuate into clinically evident LN

metastases if not for the immediate lymphadenectomy

Site Of First Recurrence at ANY SITENEJM 2006;355:1311

Observation (500) Sentinel Node (769)

Nodal 65 (13%) 32 (4.2%)

Distant 39 (7.8%) 85 (11%)

Local 30 (6%) 42 (5.5%)

NO 366(73.2) 610 (79.3)

Recurrence

Site Of First Recurrence at ANY SITENEJM 2006;355:1311

Observation (500) Sentinel Node (769)

Nodal 65 (13%) 32 (4.2%)

Distant 39 (7.8%) 85 (11%)

Local 30 (6%) 42 (5.5%)

NO 366(73.2) 610 (79.3)

Recurrence

False Negative Sentinel Lymph Nodes

• Table 1 32/769 4.2%

• Text (page 1312) 26/764 3.4%

Lymph Node InvolvementNEJM 2006;355:1312

Observation (500) Sentinel Node (764)

78 (15.5%) 122 (16.0%)

Lymph Node InvolvementNEJM 2006;355:1312

Observation (500) Sentinel Node (764)

78 (15.5%) 122 (16.0%)

False Neg. 0 26 (3.4%)(Developed grossly + nodes)

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Lymph Node InvolvementNEJM 2006;355:1312

Observation (500) Sentinel Node (764)

78 (15.5%) 122 (16.0%)

False Neg. 0 26 (3.4%)(Developed grossly + nodes)

TOTAL 78 (15.5%) 148 (19.4%)

Lymph Node InvolvementNEJM 2006;355:1312

Observation (500) Sentinel Node (764)

78 (15.5%) 148 (19.4%)

Lymph Node InvolvementNEJM 2006;355:1312

Observation (500) Sentinel Node (764)

78 (15.5%) 148 (19.4%)

Conclusion: NOT all patients with a positive SN will develop clinically evident metastases

ConclusionsSentinel node biopsy

1. affords NO real benefit for patients.

ConclusionsSentinel node biopsy

1. affords NO real benefit for patients.

2. may potentially harm patients

ConclusionsSentinel node biopsy

1. affords NO real benefit for patients.

2. may potentially harm patients

3. Should NOT be the standard of Care

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ConclusionsSentinel node biopsy

1. affords NO real benefit for patients.

2. may potentially harm patients

3. should NOT be the standard of care.

4. raises ethical Issues:

ConclusionsSentinel node biopsy

1. affords no real benefit for patients.

2. may potentially harm patients

3. should NOT be the standard of care.

4. raises ethical Issues:

-Medicolegal

ConclusionsSentinel node biopsy

1. affords no real benefit for patients.

2. may potentially harm patients

3. should not be the standard of care.

4. raises ethical Issues:

-Medical-Legal

-Economic – Who Pays?

An Algorithmic Approach to the Diagnosis of Melanocytic Lesions

The Problems

• Imposing orderly criteria on a

natural/pathologic process

The Problems

• Imposing orderly criteria on a

natural/pathologic process

• Application of criteria is variable and

idiosyncratic

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The Problems

• Imposing orderly criteria on a

natural/pathologic process

• Application of criteria is variable and

idiosyncratic

• Biopsy type and size

• Variability in classification of melanocytic

lesions

My “Solution”: Keep it Simple

• Nevus vs. Melanoma

My “Solution”: Keep it Simple

• Nevus vs. Melanoma

• Few major criteria to evaluate the

likelihood of melanoma or not

My “Solution”: Keep it Simple

• Nevus vs. Melanoma

• Few major criteria to evaluate the

likelihood of melanoma or not

• Use a list of criteria to identify the

exceptions.

Melanoma, Nevus, Melanoma

and Nevus or….

“I’m Not Sure

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MELANOCYTIC NEOPLASM

Small (<4mm) Large (>4mm)

ALMOST ALWAYS BENIGN Symmetrical Asymmetrical

* Exceptions Usually benign

* Exceptions Well circumscribed Poorly circumscribed

Often benign

Maturation No maturation

* Exceptions

* Melanoma or ALMOST ALWAYS

nevus MELANOMA

* Exceptions

MELANOCYTIC NEOPLASM

Small (<4mm) Large (>4mm)

ALMOST ALWAYS BENIGN Symmetrical Asymmetrical

* Exceptions Usually benign

* Exceptions Well circumscribed Poorly circumscribed

Often benign

Maturation No maturation

* Exceptions

* Melanoma or ALMOST ALWAYS

nevus MELANOMA

* Exceptions

MELANOCYTIC NEOPLASM

Small (<4mm) Large (>4mm)

ALMOST ALWAYS BENIGN Symmetrical Asymmetrical

* Exceptions Usually benign

* Exceptions Well circumscribed Poorly circumscribed

Often benign

Maturation No maturation

* Exceptions

* Melanoma or ALMOST ALWAYS

nevus MELANOMA

* Exceptions

MELANOCYTIC NEOPLASM

Small (<4mm) Large (>4mm)

ALMOST ALWAYS BENIGN Symmetrical Asymmetrical

* Exceptions Usually benign

* Exceptions Well circumscribed Poorly circumscribed

Often benign

Maturation No maturation

* Exceptions

* Melanoma or ALMOST ALWAYS

nevus MELANOMA

* Exceptions

MELANOCYTIC NEOPLASM

Small (<4mm) Large (>4mm)

ALMOST ALWAYS BENIGN Symmetrical Asymmetrical

* Exceptions Usually benign

* Exceptions Well circumscribed Poorly circumscribed

Often benign

Maturation No maturation

* Exceptions

* Melanoma or ALMOST ALWAYS

nevus MELANOMA

* Exceptions

MELANOCYTIC NEOPLASM

Small (<4mm) Large (>4mm)

ALMOST ALWAYS BENIGN Symmetrical Asymmetrical

* Exceptions Usually benign

* Exceptions Well circumscribed Poorly circumscribed

Often benign

Maturation No maturation

* Exceptions

* Melanoma or ALMOST ALWAYS

nevus MELANOMA

* Exceptions

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MELANOCYTIC NEOPLASM

Small (<4mm) Large (>4mm)

ALMOST ALWAYS BENIGN Symmetrical Asymmetrical

* Exceptions Usually benign

* Exceptions Well circumscribed Poorly circumscribed

Often benign

Maturation No maturation

* Exceptions

* Melanoma or ALMOST ALWAYS

nevus MELANOMA

* Exceptions

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MELANOCYTIC NEOPLASM

Small (<4mm) Large (>4mm)

ALMOST ALWAYS BENIGN Symmetrical Asymmetrical

* Exceptions Usually benign

* Exceptions Well circumscribed Poorly circumscribed

Often benign

Maturation No maturation

* Exceptions

* Melanoma or ALMOST ALWAYS

nevus MELANOMA

* Exceptions

MELANOCYTIC NEOPLASM

Small (<4mm) Large (>4mm)

ALMOST ALWAYS BENIGN Symmetrical Asymmetrical

* Exceptions Usually benign

* Exceptions Well circumscribed Poorly circumscribed

Often benign

Maturation No maturation

* Exceptions

* Melanoma or ALMOST ALWAYS

nevus MELANOMA

* Exceptions

Criteria for Exceptions

• Major Criteria Not Already Addressed

• “Too Many Melanocytes”

• Anatomic Site

• Type of Nevus

• Evidence of Prior Trauma

• Melanocytes Above the DE Junction

• Variation in Sizes, Shapes and Confluence of Nests

• Atypia

• Mitoses

• Necrosis

Criteria for Exceptions

• Major Criteria Not Already Addressed

• “Too Many Melanocytes”

• Stroma/Elastosis

• Anatomic Site

• Type of Nevus

• Evidence of Prior Trauma

• Melanocytes Above the DE Junction

• Variation in Sizes, Shapes and Confluence of Nests

• Atypia

• Mitoses

• Necrosis

Stroma/Elastosis

• RED/PURPLE Elastosis - Benign

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Stroma/Elastosis

• RED/PURPLE Elastosis - Benign

Stroma/Elastosis

• RED/PURPLE Solar Elastosis – Benign

• Location of Normal Solar Elastosis