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#27 (261) 9 oqtomberi, 2013 weli gamodis oTxSabaTs E-mail: saertogazeti@yahoo.com fasi 1 lari

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ufro hgavs, sadac adamianebi xelisuflebaSi

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provokaciebi SeiZleba ori

scenariT ganviTardes _ saomari

situacia awyobs saakaSvils, naxevrad

saomari _ nino burjanaZes

vin gaauqmebs saqarTveloSi `nacionalebis~

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rogorc `saerTo ga-zeTis~ wina nomerSi vi-uwyebodiT, alasania daqarTuli jari natoSia,saqarTvelo ki jerje-robiT aqaa da saprezi-dento arCevnebisTvisemzadeba. saprezidentoarCevnebi ras gviSve-lis, magram radgan de-mokratiuli qveyanagvqvia, wesia aseTi _ ar-Cevnebi unda Catardesda prezidenti undaavirCioT. aba, magis ga-reSe rogor iqneba?

am saarCevno kampanias rom

vakvirdebi, raRac irealuri,

mistiuri situaciaa.

wesiT, axla saarCevno ci-

eb-cxelebisgan qveyana unda

duRdes da babanebdes, Tumca

msgavsi araferi xdeba _ sap-

rezidento kandidatebi lan-

debiviT dalaslaseben aqeT-

iqiT da ise uRimRamod da

uxalisod laparakoben, gego-

neba, prezidentoba ar undaT

da viRacebi aZalebeno.

TiTqos panaSvidze arian

da dardisgan damZimebulebs

laparakis Tavic ar aqvT.

arada, Tavidan energiulad

da omaxianad daiwyes, magram

uceb Sua gzaze yvelam erTd-

roulad daamuxruWa da davr-

CiT ase `datormuzebul~

mdgomareobaSi _ inerciiT win

gadaqanebulni da kiserwagde-

bulni.

ra mogividaT, Tqven, kaco,

raRac moigoneT, raRac mog-

vatyueT, raRac intriga Semo-

agdeT, Torem davrCebiT ase

gadakuzul pozaSi.

Tu ase gagrZelda, arCevne-

bis dRes xalxi arCevnebze

aRar mova da davrCebiT upre-

zidentod.

uprezidentobas kidev ga-

vuZlebT, magram upremierodac

rom vrCebiT, amas ra vuyoT?

mogexsenebaT, biZina ivaniS-

vili politikidan samoqalaqo

seqtorSi gadadis da iqedan

apirebs CvenTan erTad poli-

tikuri procesebis marTvas

da xelisuflebis gakontro-

lebas.

es xom ar aris, netav, ar-

Cevnebis wina periodSi dasad-

gurebuli am didi sayovel-

Tao-saxalxo mowyenilobis

mizezi _ ra azri aqvs prezi-

denti vin iqneba, ra azri aqvs

premier-ministris saxeli vis

erqmeva _ mainc erTma kacma,

biZina ivaniSvilma unda zidos

qveynis Wapani yvelas nacvlad

da yvelas magivrad.

arCevnebis dRe 27 oqtom-

beri, imiT ki ar aris RirsSe-

saniSnavi, rom axali prezi-

denti unda avirCioT, aramed,

pirvel yovlisa, imiT aris

gasaxareli, rom Zveli unda

wavides.

Zvels ki, rogorcCans, SiSi Seudga tan-Si da siyvarulze da-iwyo laparaki _ esaTaswlovani SuRlida mtroba maincada-mainc 27 oqtombers,Cemi prezidentobi-dan wasvlis dRes un-da davamTavroT daamieridan siyvaru-liT da siamtkbilo-biT vicxovroTo.

is ki ar uTqvams, ma-patieT me, codvils,mapatieT me, avazaks daaramzadas, rac Tqven-Tvis tkivili momiye-nebia, 27 oqtombersrom gadavdgebi, wa-val, TvaliT ar dage-naxvebiT, sadme senakSidaveyudebi berad, romdarCenili cxovreba

viloco da codvebigamovisyodo, cota xa-nSi isev ukan movbrun-debio, dagvpirda.

viTom araferi dauSavebia,

viTomc araferi momxdara, ise

arxeinad da utifrad gviyu-

rebda TvalebSi da siyvarul-

ze gvebaaseboda.

ki, batono, siyvaruli mar-

Tlac didebuli ram aris, mag-

ram jer saqarTvelos Seu-

racxyofisTvis agos pasuxi am

kacma da siyvarulze mere gve-

laparakos.

marTlac raRacirealuri, mistiuri,fantasmagoriulisituaciaa qveyanaSi.

TiTqosda cxadSi ki ara

sizmarSi xdeba es yvelaferi,

sizmarSi, sadac `qarTuli

ocnebis~ prezidentobis kan-

didati giorgi margvelaSvili

ki ara Salva ramiSvilia _

yvela telearxze Salvaa, yve-

la kiTxvas Salva pasuxobs,

yvelas nacvlad, maT Soris

margvelaSvilis nacvladac

Salva laparakobs.

kaci ifiqrebs, margvelaS-

vils am erTi Salvas garda

Tanamdgomi da mxardamWeri ar

hyavso.

sizmarSi xdeba, ra Tqma

unda, es ambebi, Torem cxadSi

rogor SeiZleba giorgi marg-

velaSvilis piar-menejeri saa-

kaSvilis yofili piari Salva

ramiSvili iyos?

Salvas margvelaSvilis

siyvarulze monopolia aqvs

gamocxadebuli da axlos ara-

vis akarebs _ emand, vinme ar

Cameziaros momavali prezi-

dentis mTavari veziris post-

zeo.

isic sizmaria, albaT, mar-

gvelaSvilis saarCevno kampa-

nias daviT saganeliZe rom

xelmZRvanelobs da `qarTul

ocnebaSi~ `palaJenias~ rom

ayenebs, Torem realur yofa-

Si saganeliZe `qarTul ocne-

baSi~ ratom unda iyos saer-

Tod?

sizmaria es yvelafe-ri _ es koabitaciacsizmaria, `nacionale-biT~ gadaWedili spor-

tis sasaxlec sizmaria,siyvarulze moWikWikesaakaSvilic sizmaria,Salva ramiSvilis piar-menejerobac da sagane-liZis `ocnebistobac~sizmaria, sapreziden-to arCevnebic sizmariada rac am sizmris Sem-deg moxdeba, isic sizma-ria.

sizmris qveyanSi vcx-ovrobT, sizmarSi varTCaTbunebul-CaTvle-milni da imdenad gag-vitkba iq yofna, romgaRviZeba da Tvalis ga-xela gvezareba.

vaxtang xarCilava

redaqtoris gverdi

3#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w. saerTo gazeTi

ucnauri ram moxda qarTul

realobaSi, pativsacemi profesia

`Jurnalisti~ Tvalsa da xel-

Sua gadaiqca `matyuaras~ sinoni-

mad. Jurnalistebis misamarTiT

manamde kuluarulad moaruli

Sefaseba `pagoniani Jurnaliste-

bi~, xmamaRla pirvelad 2010

wlis maisSi, kostavas quCaze,

televiziis Senobis win batoni

levan gaCeCilaZisgan gavige. max-

sovs, ambobda, teritoriaze Se-

momsvleli Jurnalistebis akre-

ditacia unda xdebodes, `pagoni-

ani Jurnalistebi~ dezinforma-

cias avrcelebeno.

swrafad gavida dro da move-

diT dRevandel dromde, Tumca

dro mxolod gavida, daviwyebas

ar miscemia. amdenad, dRevandeli

agresia guSin-guSinwin `varde-

bis revoluciis~ gariJraJze

Seqmnil-Sobili Jurnalistebis

mimarT mTlad gasakviric ar un-

da iyos.

diax, batoni premieri, SeiZ-

leba, zog sakiTxSi marTlac ar

brZandeboda JurnalistebTan mi-

marTebaSi marTali, rodesac

Jurnalistur sferoSi iWrebo-

da, magram farTo sazogadoebam

es aspeqti arafrad Caagdo erTi

martivi mizezis gamo, Zlivs na-

xes erTi kaci, romelic yovel-

droebis ratomRac gafufunebul

Jurnalistebs raRacnairi for-

miT mainc datuqsavda.

brauns hqonia gamoTqma `Jur-

nalistika mtrobis fulad ga-

daqcevis xelovnebaao~ _ netav,

braunis es gamoTqma icodnen

dRevandelma e. w `elitarulma

Jurnalistebma~ Tu TviTon mi-

vidnen am daskvnamde? asea Tu

ise, eWvia, rom swored amitom

daewyoT `Tavs lafis dasxma~...

pirad azrebs gverdze gadav-

deb, sakmarisze metia naTqvami.

ganze gavdgebi, mxolod aRvniS-

nav, rom sawyenia, roca profesia

`Jurnalisti~ ilanZReba...

`es is Wur(a) nalistebi ari-

an, vinc `gnacanalebis~ piariT

iyvnen dakavebulnbi. es dezin-

formator-propagandistebi is

ruporebi arian, vinc mosaxleo-

bas tyuilSi acxovrebda; vinc

daxvretebs amarTlebda; vinc wa-

gebul oms mogebulad asaRebda.

mokled, es naZiralebi, rogorc

damnaSaveebi, unda Camoscildnen

medias~.

`ise, rac biZinam Jurnalis-

tebisa da eqspertebis `jiryvna-

Si~ dro da energia daxarja, es

dro biznesSi rom daexarja, mo-

gebuli fuliT axal Jurnalis-

tebs da eqspertebs iyidda da

problemac Cka!~

`qarTuli `Wurnalistikis~

marad kaSkaSa varskvlavze, inga

grigoliaze mogaxsenebT, romel-

mac ise Cagvitara sakuTari Ta-

vis morigi `rebrendingi~, vi-

Tomc araferi. morigi, radgan

`imedis~ darbevis Semdeg araer-

Txel garebrendgingda `samtre-

dieli konkia~ da `Wurnalisti-

kaSi~ dabrunda!.. ager, axlac,

ise utifrad dagvibrunda `tv-3-

iT~ viTom `galstukiani xvli-

kis~, giorgi TargamaZis `qdm-s~

deputati Tbilisis sakrebulo-

Si da iqedan imave xvlikis favo-

riti maJoritari kandidati me

viyavi SarSandeli 1 oqtombris

arCevnebSi.

dagvibrunda da _ sada xarT

is biWebi 17 maiss sawyal pede-

rastebs rom dasdevdiT tabu-

retkian mRvdlebTan erTad, ra-

tom ar midixarT dicSi ruseTis

okupaciis gasaprotesteblado,

erTad dagvamunaTa saqarTvelos

marTlmadidebeli eklesia da is

xalxi, vinc verasdros davuS-

vebT pederastebis paradebs sa-

qarTveloSi da Tavad iTava

`patriotuli aqciis~ mowyoba

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hoda, aqa varT qabato-jan,

aqa!~

`saqarTvelos eklesiac, rom-

lis saWeTmpyrobels kargad es-

mis, rom ruseTTan urapatrio-

tuli saprotesto aqciebiT ve-

rafers gavxdebiT da `is biWe-

bic~ aq viqnebiT, inga-jan da xva-

lac igive pasuxs miiReben pede-

rastebi, rac guSin miiRes _ da-

savleTSi ukve damTavrda gei-pa-

radebis aRlumebis bumi da axla

erTsqesiani qorwinebebis dakano-

nebis paradebi daiwyo!

igives ver eRirsebiT saqarT-

veloSi!

axlaa da, biZina ivaniSvils

is SesCivla, ratom daixura eka

kvesitaZis da daviT paiWaZis

Toq-Souebio? _ mokled, Tavis

stiqiaSia `samtredieli konki-

a~...

da saerTod, biZina ivaniSvi-

lis dRevandeli Sous Semyures,

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`Wurnalistebi~ iyvnen miwveul-

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sxva sirobis qartiaze aqvT xe-

li mowerili, erTi azri gamiCn-

da _ visac pirvel rigSi pede-

rastebis ki ara, samSobloze,

qarTveli kacis uflebebze Segv-

tkiva guli, Cvenc, aseTma Jurna-

listebma xom ar SevimuSavoT

raRac erovnuli qartiis msgavsi

da mis garSemo gaverTiandeT?!

iqneb, maSin mainc dagvdon pa-

tivi da msgavs Sexvedrebze dag-

viZaxon raTa Sin da gareT yve-

lam gaigos, rom liberastebis

garda, sxva, erovnulad moaz-

rovne Jurnalistebic varT sa-

qarTveloSi!!!~

`sjobs kohabitaciasa naZrax-

sa, mijiryvna saxelovani!~

`Jurnalistebo, Tqve tlue-

booo... miSam dakarga amxela te-

ritoria da ratom miSas ar us-

vamdiT mag kiTxvebs? didi xania

tyuilad qebaSi fuli ar agiRi-

aT? rogor dasdevdiT miSas mak-

ratliT da tribuniT rom dar-

boda? _ biZinas gakeTebulze?

unamusoebi xarT da meti arafe-

ri... seirobT am situaciaze, rac

dRes xdeba, axla... ar gadardebT

Tqven ruseTis qmedeba. diax,

zustad _ seirobT... inga grigo-

lia, ra mdabio xar _ es Sens in-

tonaciaSic Cans, saubarSic. Se-

ni fsiqo-portreti Seqmnilia,

ar gegonos, rom ver vigebdeT.

miSam gayida mTeli saqarTvelo

arabebze, indoelebze, Cinelebze,

es ruseTis mavTulxlarTebic

miSas qmedebis rezultatia _

500 sofeli dakarga 2008-Si...

axla dgaxarT da am adamians,

romelmac gixsnaT gaupatiure-

bisgan, cemisgan, SiSidan da daC-

morebidan, imis magivrad, rom

fexis xmas ahyveT da mivxedoT

qveyanas, Casafrebulebi xarT...

gamyidvelebi xarT da zed gawe-

riaT. xalxi rom ixoceboda ci-

xeebSi, grigolia, da quCaSi,

dRisiT, mzisiT, biWebs xocavd-

nen, sad egde maSin? _ `egde~,

egvipteSi, `zagars~ iRebdi mag

maxinj sifaTze...~

`afsus, alistraxo... sad iya-

vi Seni legendaruli kiTxviT

`vin gafinansebT?~ _ mere vnaxav-

di biZinas gaCumebuls, Tan kidev

bevrjer rom hkiTxavdi `vin ga-

finansebs?~

`Jurnalistebis nawili pre-

mieris toniT ukmayofiloao...

mamacxonebulebo, cxra weliwadi

gexvewebodiT sakuTari uflebebi

da profesionalizmi daicaviT-

Tqo da araaa, vazelingadasmule-

bi darbodiT `maRliukanalSi~

da... axla aRar mogwonT premie-

ris toni, xo?!~

`rogor Semoinaxavs istoria

inga grigolias JurnalistikaSi

moRvaweobas _ mas ratomRac

hgonia, rom xma, romelic Rmer-

Tisgan da dambadeblisgan aqvs

miniWebuli, aucileblad yviri-

liT saubrisTvis unda gamoiye-

nos, Tumca aviwydeba, rom misi

xmis aravis eSinia da misi es da-

yenebili toni mxolod mis uzr-

delobaze metyvelebs. es aris

qali, romelmac fulze gayida

sindisi, wesiereba da is wlebi,

rodesac mayurebels moswonda,

rogorc Jurnalisti. SantaJze

wavida miSas Zaladobis gamo (an

iyo Zaladoba, an ara) da misgan

maqsimumi moiTxova. ase daiwyo

Savi laqis gavleba mis cxovre-

baSi. iqneb undoda kidec es Sa-

vi laqa? _ popularobas kargav-

da da axali imiji, Tundac es

cudi yofiliyo, mis kidev er-

Txel warmoCinebas Seuwyobda

xels. ras warmoadgens sinamdvi-

leSi grigolia. is yovelTvis

ipyrobda mayureblis yuradRebas

da telesivrcis eTers (Tumca

arc aris gasakviri, is xom nanu-

ka JorJolianis megobaria da ma-

Ti ambicia Zalian didze garbo-

da yovelTvis, erTgan CaiZire-

bodnen da meore mxares amoyvin-

Tavdnen da amas, yvelafers inga

SantaJiT, xolo nanuka fuliT

akeTebda). ingas ambiciuroba im-

denad didi iyo yovelTvis, rom

man politikaSic ki mosinja Za-

lebi, giorgi TargamaZes `amoud-

ga~ gverdiT _ esec, miSas reko-

mendaciiT... viTom opoziciaSi Ca-

udga `nacionalur moZraobas~,

rogorc qristian-demokrati. si-

namdvileSi, yvelam kargad icis,

rasac warmoadgenda es partia

parlamentSi.

mokled, me aseT daskvnamde

mivedi, grigolia nacebis mier

aris Segzavnili JurnalistikaSi

agentad.

`yvelaze metad iciT, ram

`momxibla~ da damaRebina piri

gaocebisgan? – premierTan `Wi-

dilidan~ gamosuli Jurnalis-

tebi saRamos erTxmad rom acxa-

debdnen, rogor gvitevda biZinao.

mTeli laSqriT misulebs erTi

kaci Tu gitevdaT da gavimeoreb,

ase ostaturad `CagxadaT~, war-

momidgenia, marto rom rCebodiT

miSas reJimis zonder-monebTan,

ra `xalisiT~ xdeboda es aqti...

anu `Setevisa~ da `danebebis~ aq-

ti... sircxvilia, cota dafiqr-

diT, ras laparakobT...~

`Jurnalistebi, romelTac

agvistos omis dros erTi sap-

rotesto sityva ar dascdeniaT

da wagebuli omi mogebulad ga-

moacxades... Jurnalistebma, ro-

melTac `strategiul svlad~

Seafases wagebuli omis koncer-

tiT aRniSvna... Jurnalistebma,

romelTac, raki 7 noembersa da

26 maiss (sxva drosac) aranaci-

onaluri sisxli daiRvara, am

sisxlis mflobeli adamianebi

`bomJebad~ monaTles... Jurnalis-

tebi, romeltavc gaamarTles

girgvlianis da sxvaTa mkvlelo-

ba, qonebis CamorTmeva biznesmene-

bisTvis (sxva Temaa, rogor moi-

poves es qoneba da isic sxva Te-

maa, kanons arRvevdnen Tu ara)...

Jurnalistebi, romeltac gamo-

xatuli pozicia aqvT da am po-

ziciis gamo es Jurnalistebi

direqtivebs da fuls xan visgan

iRebdnen da da xan visgan droi-

sa da garemoebebis Sesabamisad

(megis qardavas, daTa axalaiasa

da soso TofuriZes Tavi rom

daaverbovkebines, im Jurnaliste-

bis...) ukacravad da fostalio-

nebi rad arian? fostalionoba

cudi saqmea? Caxdil, Casvril

aTasgzis gayiduls xmas rom

amoaRebineb, kiTxvas daasmevineb

da pasuxsac gascem, mere, Sengan

wasuli kidev Sen rom mogdgeba

da glanZRavs, Sen vin xar am

dros da ras erCi fostalions

rogorc aseTs? mere ra, rom ke-

Tili fostalionebi istorias

Cabardnen...

ho, marTla, `imedSi~ spec-

razmi rom Sevida da inga grigo-

liam `meSinia rame rom vTqva,

Svili myavs da gamiubedureben~

poziciidan saxalxo damcvel

sozar subars, ra moxda `imed-

Si~, amis Sesaxeb axsna-ganmarte-

ba rom ar dauwera, axla, 2013

wels rom aprotestebs 2009

wels gavlebul mavTulxlar-

Tebs, aRar eSinia?... arc erTi

guSin mijiryvnuli Jurnalisti

araa fostalioni da Tavi daane-

beT keTil fostalions, yovel

dRe rom dadioda Cveni soflis

Saragzaze da bebosTvis xan pen-

sia, xan `ciskari~ da xan `mnaTo-

bi~ rom mohqonda...~

inga grigoliam da nino Ji-

JilaSvilma erTmaneTSi gaarkvi-

on damamcirebelia Tu ara Jur-

nalistis fostalionTan gaigive-

ba, Cven ki isRa dagvrCenia, vi-

kiTxoT: romelia is sufTa Jur-

nalisti, romelic kowia fosta-

lioniviT aRiarebs sakuTar wil

danaSauls?

`me daviwye omi, me, Tqve

uRmerToebo, _ Tqva CurCuliT

kowiam da Tavi sinanuliT daiq-

nia. me daviwye omi, mezoblebo...

kesaria soselia, adeqi Tu xar

krebaze... vin Segxvda pirvelad

sofelSi da vin iyo is kaci, ro-

melmac giTxra, omi daiwyoo...~

qarTuli Jurnalistikis deg-

radirebuli saxe srulad ar iyo

warmodgenili im JurnalistebiT,

premiers rom esxdnen im dRes

win da raRacas edavebodnen, mag-

ram vinc isxdnen, an Semdeg ko-

mentarebs akeTebdnen, maTi danax-

vac sakmarisi. `kavkasiis~ pirda-

pir eTerSi axalgazrdebis dapa-

timreba, `modelirebuli qroni-

ka~, `vardebis revoluciisTvis

niadagis Semzadeba da Semdgom

gapiareba~, mkvlelobebis `gaTeT-

reba~, dapatimrebebis Souebad

qceva, sxvis ubedurebaze siuJe-

tebis darqmeva da a. S. SeniRbu-

li saxelebis avtorebi, yvelani

is fostalionebi arian, romle-

bic arafriT hgvanan araTu kowia

fostalions, monanie adamianebs _

piradi interesebidan gamomdina-

re, Savi rom TeTrad gamohyav-

daT, an piriqiT da axlac imaves

akeTeben, maTze ukeT vin icis?

nodar lomjaria

`pagoniani~ Jurnalistebi,

samtredieli `konkia~

anu mijiryvnilebi

romelia is sufTa Jurnalisti,

romelic kowia fostalioniviT

aRiarebs sakuTar wil danaSauls?

4 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.

amaswinaT klub `jazuSi~

mimiwvies. Sexvedris dawye-

bamde gareT videqi da siga-

rets veweodi.

uceb ori `jipi~ movarda.

erT-erTi manqanidan oTxi

aTleturi aRnagobis axal-

gazrda gadmoxta, meore

`jips~ Semoertynen garSemo,

Tan gaiwieT gaiwieTo, _ yvi-

rodnen da avad abrialebdnen

Tvalebs.

_ ra xdeba, netav? aseTi

vin movida-meTqi? _ gavifiq-

re.

gavixede da ras vxedav _

manqanidan erTi parlamenta-

ri gadmovida, medidurad

dagvikra Tavi da dacvis Tan-

xlebiT klubSi SebrZanda.

gavogndi.

am parlamentars didi xa-

nia vicnob.

sanam gaparlamentardebo-

da, erTi keTili, yvelasTvis

sayvareli, uSualo da gul-

Ria biWi iyo.

yofili sportsmenia es

ymawvili, rom moindomos,

erT xuT kacs galaxavs mar-

to, Tumca, rogorc giTxa-

riT, axla dacviT dadis.

visgan an risgan icavs es

dacva am parlamentars, sain-

teresoa.

erTi rigiTi parlamenta-

ria, zis Cumad sxdomebze da

xmas ar iRebs, Tumca sanam

parlamentSi Sevidoda, Za-

lian erovnuls awveboda da

oRond amirCieT da amas vi-

zam da imas vizamo, _ iqad-

neboda.

daujeres, airCies da ax-

la dacviT garSemortymuli

dadis _ emand, axlos ar mi-

vides vinme da ar Seawuxos.

yvelafers rom Tavi dava-

neboT, im oTx mutruksac

xom rCena unda, manqanasac

xom sawvavi Wirdeba, yvela-

feri es ki sakmaod did

xarjs moiTxovs, romelsac

biujetidan, anu Cveni jibi-

dan vixdiT.

erTi kaci avirCieT Cven-

da Wirad da xuTis rCena da

Senaxva gvWirdeba.

es parlamentari gamonak-

lisi xom ar aris _ magis-

Tana 150 gvyavs kidev, im

asormocdaaTsac Tavisi dac-

va hyavs, yvelas manqana emsa-

xureba, manqanebs sawvavis

Casxma sWirdeba, iqiT sate-

lefono momsaxurebis xar-

jebi da kidev aTasi wvril-

mani da msxvilmani xarjia.

cxadia, yvelaferi es Cve-

ni gadasaxdelia.

parlamentarebsmTavrobac davuma-toT Tavis minist-rebianad. ministrismoadgileebianad,

d e p a r t a m e n t e b i sufrosebianad, gan-yofilebebis gamgee-bianad da, ra Tqmaunda, dacvis wevre-bianad _ uzarmaza-ri xarjebia, milio-nebia, rasac, ra Tqmaunda, Cven vixdiT.

Cveno, rom vambobT, barem

isic gavarkvioT, vin varT

Cven, am milionebs rom vix-

diT da amden muqTamWamels

rom vinaxavT?

vin varT da gaZvaltyave-

buli, naxevrad mSieri masa,

saidanac naxevari milioni

siRaribis zRvars qvemoT

cxovrobs, anu proletaria,

erTi milioni _ siRaribis

zRvarzea, anu proletaro-

bis kandidatia, 800000-mde

pensioneria, danarCenebi qvey-

nidan arian gaqceulebi.

ai, es varT Cven, Tavad

mSivrebi xelisuflebaSi

myofi sapatio gvamebis maZR-

rad da fufunebiT cxovre-

bas rom uzrunvelvyofT.

wesiT da rigiT, xeli-

sufleba xalxs unda emsaxu-

rebodes, qarTul sinamdvi-

leSi ki piriqiTaa _ xalxi

emsaxureba xelisuflebas da

ukanasknel groSebs debs

imisTvis, rom xelisuflebam

icxovros gancxromiT.

raRac axali ti-pis batonymobaa _Cven ymebi, anu xalxiimisTvis varsebobT,imisTvis vwvalobTda vjaxirobT, rombatonebs, anu saxe-

lmwifo moxeleebsda politikur eli-tas sarCo-sabadebe-li uxvad davayaroTTavze da sakalandoRorebiviT davasu-qoT.

ai, es aris Turme erTa-

derTi Cveni wmidaTawmida

movaleoba, Cveni arsebobis

erTaderTi daniSnuleba.

batonymobao ki vTqviT

zemoT, Tumca is, rac dRes

saqarTveloSi xdeba, batony-

mobaze gacilebiT amoralu-

ri da cinikuria.

* * *

batonymobis axal qar-

Tul variants safuZveli

2004 wels `nacmoZraobam~

Cauyara, roca saxelisuflo

`verxuSkas~ xelisuflebis

saSualo da qveda rgols da

saerTod, sabiujeto organi-

zaciebs mkveTrad gauzarda

xelfasebi da, amasTan erTad,

saSualeba misca, faqtobri-

vad, SeuzRudavad esargeb-

laT e.w. premialuri danama-

tebiT.

aravin Seuwuxebia sin-

diss imis gamo, rom es yve-

laferi im gadamxdelebis

xarjze unda momxdariyo,

romelTa umravlesobis Se-

mosavali 200-300 lars ar

aRemateboda, es im dros,

roca biurokratiuli apara-

tis, ministrebis, maTi moad-

gileebis da sxva maRalCi-

nosnebis xelfasebi Tavisi

premialuri danamatebiT 15-

jer aRemateboda moqalaqeTa

saSualo xelfass.

`nacmoZraobam~ imazec iz-

runa, rom gansakuTrebiT

kmayofili hyoloda Zalismi-

eri struqturebi _ poli-

cia, specsamsaxurebi, kudi,

sodi da kidev uamravi sxva

struqtura.

amgvari midgomis dastu-

ria Tundac is, rom rigiTi

policielis xelfasi TiTq-

mis orjer meti iyo pedago-

gis xelfasze.

bevri rom ar gavagrZelo,

`nacmoZraobam~ Seqmna e.w.

privilegirebulTa `kasta~,

sakmaod mravalricxovani,

uxvad dafinansebuli kasta,

romlis wevrebic uamravi si-

keTiT sargeblobdnen.

`nacmoZraoba~ _es iyo saxelmwifosaxelmwifoSi.

ufro naTlad rom

vTqvaT, `nacmoZraobam~ Ta-

visTvis calke saxelmwifo

Seqmna, yovelmxriv keTil-

mowyobili saxelmwifo maRa-

li xelfasebiT, aTasgvari

SeRavaTebiT, komfortuli

yofiT, mdidruli saxlebiT,

ZviradRirebuli manqanebiT,

elitaruli maRaziebiT da

marketebiT, elitaruli res-

tornebiT da klubebiT, sa-

banko qseliT, sastumroebiT,

saunebiT, bordelebiT, sa-

vaWro da biznes-centrebiT.

es saxelmwifo da misi

`sazRvrebi~ saimedod iyo

daculi policiis kordone-

biT, specsamsaxurebiT, saja-

riso nawilebis specialuri

qvedanayofebiT, zonderbri-

gadebiT.

am saxelmwifosparalelurad sa-qarTveloSi arse-bobda meore saxelm-wofoc, saxelmwifoki ara geto, koncla-geri, rezervacia`meorexarisxovani~Tu `mesamexarisxo-vani~ moqalaeebisT-vis, mSieri da Rata-ki qarTuli prole-tariatisTvis, cr-emliT, uilajobiT,gaWirvebiT, uufle-bobiT gatanjulisaxelmwifo, im pir-veli saxelmwifosprivilegirebuli

vin gaauqmebs saqarTveloSi `nacionalebis~

mier damyarebul axali tipis batonymobas?batono biZina, sanam waxvidodeT, erTi

minirevolucia mainc moawyveT, es muqTaxorebis

armia mogvaSoreT da mere wabrZandiT

vaxtang xarCilava

5saerTo gazeTi#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.

kastis mier dapyro-bili.

`nacmoZraobisa~ da saa-

kaSvilis kerZo sakuTrebaSi

arsebuli mdidrulad gawyo-

bili `saxelmwifos~ mTavari

`donori~ da `sponsori~ Ra-

ribebis is meore saxelmwi-

fo iyo, romelsac cxrapi-

rad aZrobil tyavs meaTed

aZrobdnen.

Tu SevardnaZis dros fu-

li gzaSi ikargeboda da bi-

ujetis yulabamde ver aR-

wevda, saakaSvilis periodSi

taqtika Seicvala _ fuli

biujetSi srulad ki Sedio-

da, magram biujetidan misi

xarjva, faqtobrivad, ukon-

trolod xdeboda.

dadgenilia, rom `nacmoZ-

raobis~ mmarTvelobis bolo

wlebSi biujetidan yovelw-

liurad 900 milioni gaedi-

neboda gaurkveveli mimarTu-

lebiT.

ai, ase movediT 2012

wlis oqtombris saparlamen-

to arCevnebamde.

am arCevnebSi `qarTuli

ocnebis~ gamarjvebis Semdeg

gaCnda imedi, rom daiwyeboda

revoluciuri reformebis,

Zireuli cvlilebebis Jami,

magram, Cvenda samwuxarod,

es molodini ar gamarTlda.

* * *

_ sistema unda daingres!

_ aseTi iyo `nacmoZraobis~

cxrawliani mmarTvelobiT

ukmayofilo adamianebis mTa-

vari moTxovna, Tumca axal

xelisuflebas sistemis Zir-

fesviani Secvla da misi de-

montaJi arc ucdia.

SeiZleba vivaraudoT,

rom axal xelisuflebas Se-

eSinda, sistemis demontaJs

saxelmwifo Senobis sruli

ngreva ar gamoewvia.

arsebobs realuri safr-

Txe droTa ganmavlobaSi axa-

li xelisuflebac Zvels da-

emsgavsos, Tumca, modiT, am

wuTas Tavi davaneboT am Te-

mas da gagebiT movekidoT

axali xelisuflebis taqti-

kas da strategias imasTan

dakavSirebiT, rom mkveTri

ryevebi did riskTan aris

dakavSirebuli da, amdenad,

sjobs sistemuri cvlilebe-

bi TandaTan, nabij-nabij evo-

luciuri gziT ganxorciel-

des.

ki, batono, aRviWurvoT

moTminebiT da viaroT evo-

luciuri gziT, Tumca, sa-

kiTxavia, ratom ar gadadga

axalma xelisuflebam dResve

is nabijebi, romlebic ar sa-

Wiroebda materialur dana-

xarjebs, ar Seicavda serio-

zul riskebs da romelTa

gadadgmas erTaderTi ram

politikuri neba,sWirdebo-

da?

* * *

_ Cven unda avaSenoT ev-

ropuli yaidis saxelmwifo!

_ Cveni mTavari mizani ev-

ropasTan integraciaa!

_ Cven evropuli ojaxis

nawili varT!

msgavsi xasiaTis gancxa-

debebi xSirad ismoda wina

xelisuflebisgan da xSirad

ismis axlisganac, Tumca re-

aloba, romelSic vcxov-

robT, ufro arabuli da

aziuri saxelmwifoebis rea-

lobas hgavs.

Zneli saTqmelia, iseTi

ra seni sWirT da ra emarTe-

baT am qarTvelebs, ase Tu

ise mniSvnelovani Tanamdebo-

bis dakavebis Semdeg uceb

rom gadasxvaferdebian da

sulTnebs da Seixebs rom em-

sgavsebian?

didkacobis iseTi ra Wia

gvizis gul-gvamSi, erTi

mtkaveliT rom aviweviT da

imwamsve medidurad da qed-

maRlurad rom gadmovxedavT

sakuTar qveyanas da sakuTar

xalxs?

provincializmis, gauna-

Tleblobis, Sinagani sicari-

elis, xepreobis da gonebaC-

lungobis bralia es yvela-

feri, Tumca mizezi mxolod

es ar aris.

sxvas ras unda elodo

idiotisgan, romelsac sawya-

li pensioneris pensiaze 40-

jer (!) met xelfass dauniS-

nav, 80000 dolarad Rire-

bul manqanaSi Casvam, Sig

benzins Causxam, dacvas miu-

Cen da ZalauflebiT aRWur-

vav?

amiT xom mas pirdapir

uTxres, Sen idioti ki ara

sinamdvileSi didi, gansa-

kuTrebuli vinme xar da gan-

sakuTrebul mopyrobas imsa-

xurebo.

viTom evropisken rom

mivdivarT da evropelobas

rom vCemulobT, erTi evro-

pul qveynebSi naxeT, rogor

aris es sakiTxi gadawyveti-

li da mere Cvensas SeadareT.

evropelebi maSin viqne-

biT, Cveni ministrebi evrope-

li ministrebiviT saqalaqo

transportSi rom ikadreben

Cajdomas.

Tumca es TavisiT araso-

des moxdeba, Tu saxelmwi-

fom ar aamuSava Sesabamisi

berketebi da Cvengan daqira-

vebuli moxele Cven ar mog-

visva gverdiT da Cven Tu ar

gagviTanabra.

saerTod, vinmem is Tu

daiangariSa, raSi sWirdeba

am erTi xelisdadeba qveyanas

Tavisi 4-milioniani mosax-

leobiT amdeni `momsaxure

personali~, amdeni Wkuis

damrigebeli da gezis mimce-

mi, amdeni `kvalificiuri~

politikuri organizacia,

romlebic aseve Cveni jibi-

dan iTxoven dafinansebas?

privilegirebuli kasta

vaxsene zemoT.

es privilegirebuli Cvens

sisxls dawafebuli parazi-

tuli kasta, rogorc

vTqviT, saakaSvils da `nac-

moZraobas~ imisTvis sWirde-

boda, rom biujetis xarjze,

Cvens xarjze, sakuTari Za-

laufleba ganemtkicebinaT.

rogor davido codva da

rogor vTqva, rom axalma xe-

lisuflebamac imitom ar ax-

lo xeli am privilegirebul

kastas, rom isic masze day-

rdnobiT apirebs qveynis mar-

Tvas?

xanxadan iseTiSTabeWdileba mrCe-ba, rom koalicia`qarTuli ocnebis~erTi nawili iqiT,meore, `nacmoZrao-bisa~ da saakaSvi-lis mier Seqmnilmdidar da maZRarsaxelmwifoSi gada-bargda sacxovreb-

lad da `naciona-lebs~ CaesiZa Tu `Ca-ubrat-Causastav-da~, xolo Rarib-Ra-takTa da upovarTasaxelmwifos, ro-melmac xelisufle-baSi moiyvana, zurgiaqcia da uRalata.

`ocnebelebo~, gaxsovT,

`nacebis~ saxelmwifom Tqve-

ni Zarcva da dayaCaReba rom

daiwyo, am meore, namdvili

qarTuli saxelmwifos Rarib

moqalaqeebs bolo xuTlari-

ani Tu bolo aTlariani rom

SehqondaT `qarTuli ocne-

bis~ mxardasaWerad gaxsnil

angariSebze?

Tqven, ai, am meore qarTu-

li saxelmwifos moqalaqeeb-

ma agirCies TavianT winam-

ZRolad, im imediT, rom sa-

marTlianobas aRadgendiT da

Cagrulebs mCagvrelTa uR-

lidan gaaTavisuflebdiT.

`nacebis~ privilegire-

bul kastas `meocnebeTa~

privilegirebuli kasta dae-

mata, qarTul proletariats

ki cxovreba kidev ufro ga-

uWirda da daumZimda.

ai, aseTia samwuxaro rea-

loba, biZina ivaniSvili ki

politikidan midis.

batono biZina,sanam waxvidodeT,iqneb erTi `minire-volucia~ mainc mo-gewyoT, es parazi-tebi gagekulakebi-naT da mere wasu-liyaviT, Torem sa-qarTvelos qala-qebsa Tu soflebSimale SeiZleba gais-mas `aRsdeq krul-viTa daRdasmulo,qveyanav, mSier mone-bis~.

P.S. wweerriillss rroomm TTvvaallii

ggaaddaavvaavvllee,, mmiivvxxvvddii,, wweerriillii

11991177 wwlliiss ooqqttoommbbrriiss pprroo-

lleettaarruull rreevvoolluucciiaammddee ddaa-

wweerriillss hhggaavvss..

ra vqna, ra viRo-no, am `saerTo ga-zeTs~ `iskra~ xom ardavarqva, rom am day-ruebul xalxs ra-Rac gavagebino daSevasmino.

saqarTvelo evropuli ki ara romeliRac

arabul qveyanas ufro hgavs,

sadac adamianebi xelisuflebaSi

mosvlisTanave momentalurad

sulTnebi da Seixebi xdebian

6 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.

ggvveessaauubbrreebbaa eeqqssppeerrttii

kkaavvkkaassiiiiss ssaakkiiTTxxeebbSSii

mamuka areSiZe::

__ bbaattoonnoo mmaammuukkaa,, aaxxaallii xxeellii-

ssuufflleebbiiss mmoossvvlliiddaann eerrTTii wweellii

ggaavviiddaa.. rraa SSeessrruullddaa rreeaalluurraadd,,

rraa __ vveerraa ddaa rraa ggaaggrrZZeelleebbaa SSee-

iiZZlleebbaa hhqqoonnddeess aamm yyvveellaaffeerrss??

_ Zalian rom mogendomebina,

rTuli iqneboda imis gakeTeba,

rac ivaniSvilma da ufro metad

`qarTulma ocnebam~ reitingis

dacemis kuTxiT moaxerxes. para-

doqsi isaa, rom verc imas ityvi,

TiTqos ivaniSvils araferi gau-

keTebia, bevri ram gaakeTa, magram

zog SemTxvevaSi, fuWad.

magaliTad keTilSobiluri saqme

gakeTda, roca glexebs miwebi mo-

uxnes, zogi miwa 20-30 weli mo-

uxnavi iyo. magram saqme sxva ra-

meSia _ miwebi moxnes, ase vTqvaT,

yamiri gatexes, magram amas Semd-

gom kultivacia sWirdeboda, rac

ar gakeTebula. amitom es Tanxa

wyalSi Caiyara. jer sakiTxis

Seswavla, mokvleva unda momxda-

riyo, raTa gaerkviaT _ konkre-

tul glexs SemdgomSi SeeZlo

Tu ara miwisTvis ise moevlo,

rom mosavali moeyvana. saintere-

so isaa, rom rig raionebSi, sa-

soflo-sameurneo daniSnulebis

miwebs glexebi saZovrebad iyeneb-

dnen. mTavrobam ki mouxna, kul-

tivacia ver moxerxda da saZova-

ric ganadgurda. anu kargi saqmis

keTebis survili iyo, magram ver

ganxorcielda. magaliTad, eqs-

pertebTan Sexvedrisas ivaniS-

vilma aRniSna, rom 209 qarxana

gaxsna. yvela qarxanaze xeli ar

migviwvdeba, magram 46 qarxnis

SemTxveva amoviReT, aqedan rva,

romelic aRmosavleT saqarTve-

loSi _ qvemo qarTlSia, Seva-

mowmebine. am rvidan oTxi isedac

muSaobda, oris adgilze rogorc

adre iyo, iseTive mindori dagv-

xvda, marto oris SemTxvevaSi

iyo mSenebloba dawyebuli. anu

209 sawarmo ukve marTali ar

aris, magram mas aseT informaci-

as awvdian. Tamriko WoxoneliZe

misi ojaxis wevria, beras naT-

liaa da man ivaniSvils urCia _

glaxunas tansacmeli Caicvi,

qveyana Semoiare da naxe, sinamd-

vileSi ra keTdebao. qarxnebis

nawili isev Canasaxis mdgomareo-

baSia, nawili isedac muSaobda da

ubralod damatebiTi sesxi mii-

Res. es sesxic iciT vin miiRo?

_ visac isedac gamarTuli war-

moeba hqonda, anu `nacionaleb-

Tan~ daaxloebulma pirebma.

__ iivvaanniiSSvviillii SSeexxvvddaa rrooggoorrcc

eeqqssppeerrtteebbss,, iissee JJuurrnnaalliisstteebbss..

rraaiimmee kkoonnkkrreettuullii SSeeddeeggii TTuu

hhqqoonnddaa aamm SSeexxvveeddrreebbss??

_ Sexvedridan mesame dRes mi-

viRe dokumenti imis Sesaxeb, Tu

ras dahpirda xelisufleba mo-

saxleobas da ra Seasrula. xom

SeiZleboda es dokumenti aqamde

mimeRo, maincdamainc xelCarTuli

brZola unda gamarTuliyo amis

misaRwevad? anu komunikacia araa,

sazogadoebam ar icis, ra, rogor

keTdeba, ar xdeba amis Sefaseba.

Se kai dedmamiSvilo, gaakeTe ise,

rom yvelam yvelaferi icodes da

xalxi procesebSi CarTuli iyos.

ase sazogadoeba ufro iolad ga-

mogyveba. Tu xalxs pasuxismgeb-

loba ar gaunawile, igi momxma-

rebeli xdeba, aqedan gamomdinare,

WiWyina da pretenziulic. amitom

sazogadoeba am procesSi unda

CarTo _ roca pasuxismgebloba

ganawilebulia, yvela Tvlis,

rom procesis monawilea da saq-

mec martivad keTdeba.

__ wweeRRaann aaxxsseenneeTT,, ddookkuummeennttii

mmiivviiRRee,, ssaaddaacc wweerriiaa ddaannaappiirreebbiiddaann

rraa SSeessrruullddaa ddaa rraa aarraaoo.. uuffrroo

kkoonnkkrreettuullaadd TTuu SSeeggiiZZlliiaaTT

ggvviiTTxxrraaTT,, rraa wweerriiaa aamm ddookkuummeenntt-

SSii,, rraa aarr SSeessrruullddaa??

_ mTavari racaa _ muxruWde-

ba, anu ar xdeba samarTlianobis

aRdgena. xalxi amis gamo iyo qu-

CaSi gamosuli. misma didma na-

wilma xma misca ara imitom, rom

maTTvis miwa moexnaT, aramed sa-

marTlianobis aRsadgenad. samarT-

lianobis aRdgena am moZraobis

bairaRi iyo. Sexvedraze ivaniS-

vilma gviTxra, qonebis dabruneba

biujets Zalian mZime tvirTad

daawvebao. Cven gvesmis es yvela-

feri, amitom, SevTavaze, iqneb

ukanonod warTmeuli manqanebi ma-

inc davabrunoT-meTqi. es manqane-

bi ekonomikis saministroSi mih-

yavdaT da xalxs aiZulebdnen ga-

daeformebinaT, Tu arada dapa-

timrebiT emuqrebodnen. Cemi me-

gobari israelis elCis TanaSem-

wea da am mxriv israelis sael-

Comac ki ver uSvela. mis meuR-

les Sari mosdes, manqana ukano-

nod CamoarTves da ekonomikis sa-

ministroze gadaaformebines. da-

vabrunoT es manqanebi, aq xom bi-

ujeti arafer SuaSia? ivaniS-

vilma Tqva, mainc gaiweleba es

procesi, rTuli gaskeTebeliao.

jozef qeisTvis amxela metalur-

giuli gigantis, qarxnis dabrune-

ba xom moxerxda? ar mjera, rom

ivaniSvili am yvelafers igebs da

Sesabamisad ar reagirebs. darw-

munebuli var, mas araswor in-

formacias awvdian, mivides da

adgilze naxos rogori sawarmoa

gaxsnili gardabnis raionis zo-

gierT sofelSi. samarTlianobis

aRdgenis procesis damuxruWebam

gamoiwvia is ganwyobebi, rac sa-

zogadoebaSia. amitomac daeca

`qarTuli ocnebis~ reitingi.

__ ssaaaakkaaSSvviillii rrooccaa xxeelliissuuff-

lleebbaaSSii mmooddiiooddaa,, mmaann TTqqvvaa __ vvaappii-

rreebb qqaarrTTvveell xxaallxxss mmeennttaalliitteettii

ggaammoovvuuccvvaalloooo ddaa mmTTeellii 99 wwlliiss

mmaannZZiillzzee aasseecc iiqqcceeooddaa..

iivvaanniiSSvviilliicc xxoomm aarr aappiirreebbss CCvveennss

xxeellaaxxllaa aaRRzzrrddaass??

_ amas yvela xelisufali

cdilobs. es yovelTvis ase iqne-

ba, aSS-ic asea. ratom awyobs

obama brifings? _ imitom, rom

sazogadoebas Tavisi informacia

miawodos da amis mixedviT Seqm-

nas sazogadoebrivi azri. es zus-

tad sazogadoebis aRzrdis mcde-

lobaa. ivaniSvilis SemTxvevaSi

es sazogadoebisTvis gamaRiziane-

beli iyo. sxvaTa Soris, xeli-

suflebis xelSia, ras Camoayali-

bebs xalxisgan _ brbos Tu sazo-

gadoebas. miSa maqsimalurad cdi-

lobda brbo hyoloda. ivaniSvils

ra amocana aqvs, jerjerobiT, ar

Cans. zog SemTxvevaSi iciT ra ga-

modis? ivaniSvili, rogorc _ ge-

nerali oficrebs, ise gvibarebs.

esa da es davaleba ratom ver Se-

asruleTo. es forma ar varga,

jarSi xom ar varT?

__ bbaattoonnoo mmaammuukkaa,, TTqqvveenn aaxxssee-

nneeTT,, rroomm mmoovvaa aaxxaallii ppoolliittiikkuurrii

ZZaallaa,, rroommeelliicc yyvveellaaffeerrss `̀wwaallee-

kkaavvss~~.. rraass gguulliissxxmmoobbTT,, rraa ZZaallaaaa

ddaa rraazzee ddaayyrrddnnoobbiiTT ffiiqqrroobbTT

aassee??

_ ki ar walekavs, aramed me

Semdegs vambob: dRes aseTi situ-

aciaa _ gvaqvs mmarTveli koali-

cia da opoziciad daniSnuli

`nacmoZraoba~. arCevnebis meore

dRes realuri opozicia iyo,

dRes daniSnuli opozicia gvyavs

imitom, rom Tavad xelisufleba

uwyobs xels opozicia am for-

miT SenarCundes. rac Seexeba

mmarTvel Zalas, maTSi garkveuli

konkurenciaa. arCevnebis mere iva-

niSvili politikidan midis, mag-

ram es mxolod premierobidan

wasvlas xom ar niSnavs, aramed

partiis Tavmjdomaris postis

datovebasac. warmoidgineT, ro-

gori iqneba Tavmjdomaris gareSe

darCenili `qarTuli ocneba~,

ramden jgufad daiyofa da ra am-

bebi atydeba. es xom konglomera-

tia da ara mkacrad vertikalis

mixedviT gansazRvruli politi-

kuri Zala? amaze kamaTs `qarTu-

li ocnebidan~ veravin damiwyebs

imitom, rom kargad vici, iq rac

xdeba. aqedan gamomdinare, viRebT

Semdeg suraTs _ daniSnul opo-

zicias da mZafri konkurenciis

pirobebSi myof koalicias _

uxelmZRvanelo gamarjvebul par-

tias. am dros ki maleve modis

adgilobrivi arCevnebi, ufro se-

riozuli, vidre saprezidento

arCevnebia. realuri, Zlieri opo-

ziciis niSa carielia. darwmune-

buli var, es niSa carieli ar

darCeba. amas aucileblad Seav-

sebs garkveuli politikuri Za-

la. imitom, rom xalxSi ukmayo-

fileba sakmaod maRalia, maT uam-

ravi kiTxva aqvT, romelzec pa-

suxi ar arsebobs. ra tipis Zala

SeiZleba iyos es? _ xalxs dRes

yvelaze metad awuxebs tradici-

uli urTierTobebis rRveva,

erovnuloba, socialuri sakiTxe-

bi da samarTlianoba, anu es axa-

li politikuri Zala erovnulo-

baze da memarcxeneobaze orienti-

rebuli unda iyos. vvaraudob,

rom es Zala uaxloes momavalSi

aucileblad gaCndeba. miT ume-

tes, rom sazogadoebaSi politi-

zirebis muxti Zalian maRalia.

__ aamm ZZaalliiss ggaaCCeenniiss rraa ppeerrss-

ppeeqqttiivvaa aarrsseebboobbss,, mmaaSSiinn,, rrooccaa

NDI-ss uukkvvee mmeeoorree kkvvlleevviiTT ppiirr-

vveell aaddggiillzzee mmaarrggvveellaaSSvviilliiaa,,

TTaannaacc pprroocceennttuullmmaa mmaaCCvveenneebbeellmmaacc

iimmaattaa,, xxoolloo mmeeoorreezzee __ bbaaqqrraaZZee??

aaqqvvee ggkkiiTTxxaavvTT,, rrooggoorr ffiiqqrroobbTT,,

aamm kkvvlleevviiss ddaanniiSSnnuulleebbaa iiss xxoomm

aarraaaa,, rroomm ggaarrkkvveeuullwwiillaadd ssaazzoo-

ggaaddooeebbaa aamm SSeeddeeggss SSeeaagguuoonn??

_ marTali xar, ZiriTadi amo-

canaa, Segvaguon am Sedegs, magram

es nomeri ar gamouvaT. arCevnebis

gayalbeba absoluturad warmo-

udgenelia. realuri suraTis mi-

xedviT ki konkurentebi margve-

laSvili da burjanaZe arian. ami-

tom, Tu survili aqvT baqraZe

meore adgilze gaiyvanon, amis

damtkiceba xmebis daTvlis Sem-

deg Zalian gauWirdebaT. amitom

am Sedegs gvagueben.

ar gamovricxav, rom xeli-

suflebas garkveuli valdebule-

ba aqvs aRebuli, raTa es suraTi

daidos. gansakuTrebiT, dasavle-

li partniorebis winaSe, romle-

bic `nacmoZraobas~ lobireben.

Tumca arCevnebis mere, am xeli-

suflebas SeuZlia maT uTxras _

Cven yvelaferi gavakeTeT, magram

xalxs ar unda da xom ar gava-

yalbebdiT arCevnebso? dasavleTi

xom ar ityvis, unda gageyalbebi-

naTo?

__ zzooggaaddaadd,, rraa xxddeebbaa qqaarrTTuull

ppoolliittiikkaaSSii __ ssaaaarrCCeevvnnoo kkaammppaanniiaa

dduunneedd mmiiddiiss,, yyvveellaa iissee eellooddeebbaa

2277 ooqqttoommbbeerrss,, TTiiTTqqooss uukkvvee yyvvee-

llaaffeerrii ggaarrkkvveeuulliiaa..

_ SeiZleba asec iTqvas, prin-

cipSi, xalxs saprezdento arCev-

nebi ar ainteresebs, radgan ici-

an, prezidentis posti SezRudu-

gadaicvams Tu ara biZina ivaniSvili

glaxunas tansacmels, rom qveyana

`konspiraciulad~ Semoiaros da bolos da

bolos gaigos, ra xdeba mis `sabrZanebelSi~?

mamuka areSiZe:

xom amboben, 27-Si damTavrdeba

koabitaciao, hoda, damTavrdes da

daviwyoT samarTlianobis aRdgena

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~

internetSi

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7#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w. saerTo gazeTi

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ggaammooaammwwyyvvddiieess.. ddRReevvaannddeellii nnoommrriiss

ssttuummaarrii,, kkoommppaanniiaa ,,kkaavvkkaazzuuss oonnllaa-

iinniiss~~ yyooffiillii mmfflloobbeellii,, oorrggaannii-

zzaacciiaa `̀ddaaaabbrruunneess~~ TTaavvmmjjddoommaarree

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ppoolliissttii iiyyoo.. `̀eelleeqqttrrookkaavvSSiirriiss~~

mmffoobbeellii yyaazzaaxxuurrii kkoommppaanniiaa ggaaxxddaa,,

rroommlliiss ppaarrttnniioorriicc ggaaxxllddaaTT ggii-

oorrggii rraammiiSSvviillii,, iiggiivvee `̀zzaarraallaa~~..

sswwoorreedd aamm pprriivvaattiizzaacciiiiss SSeemmddeegg

ddaaeewwyyoo `̀kkaavvkkaazzuuss oonnllaaiinnss~~ pprroobb-

lleemmeebbii..

mamia sanadiraZe:: `aSkara

iyo, rom am axali mflobelebis-

gan arakeTilsindisieri konkuren-

cia mogveloda, radgan maSindeli

internetprovaiderebi Zalian vi-

yaviT damokidebuli am monopo-

list kompaniaze, misgan vqiraob-

diT miwisqveSa kanalizacias, rom

iq gagvetarebina Cveni optikur-

boWkovani kabelebi da a.S. Cveni

urTierToba kanonmdeblobiT re-

gulirdeboda. swored am mizniT

Seiqmna kavSirgabmulobis maregu-

lirebeli komisia, romelic are-

gulirebda satelekomunikacio

operatorebs Soris urTierTo-

bebs, winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi te-

lekomunikacia ar ganviTardeboda

saqarTveloSi. es komisia avalde-

bulebda `eleqtrokavSirs~, rom

alternatiuli satelekomunika-

cio kompaniebisTvis miewodebina

Semdegi momsaxureoba, sargebloba

miwisqveSa kanalizaciiT, avtoma-

turi sadgurebis SenobebiT, spi-

lenZis satelefono kabelis wyvi-

lebiT, romelic saboloo momxma-

rebelTan, abonentTan midioda. av-

tomatur satelefono sadgurSi

yvela operatorisTvis gamoyofi-

li iyo erTi oTaxi, sadac ganTav-

sebuli gvqonda Cveni internet

aparatura da a.S. sanam `zarala~

da misi partniorebi SeiZendnen

xsenebul kompanias, Cven aranairi

problema ar gvqonia, vixdidiT ma-

regulirebeli komisiis mier dad-

genil momsaxureobis safasurs da

gamarTulad vmuSaobdiT. am kompa-

niis gasxvisebis Semdeg, yvelasT-

vis calsaxad naTeli gaxda rom

warsulSi mxedrioneli `zarala~

dadgenili wesebiT ar iTamaSebda.

amitom yvela Cemma konkurentma

internetprovaiderma gayida Tavi-

si kompaniebi, wvrili kompaniebi

me SeviZine da me, marto momiwia

xsenebul gavlenian dajgufebas-

Tan dapirispireba~.

__ rraaSSii ggaammooiixxaatteebbooddaa ddaappii-

rriissppiirreebbaa ddaa TTqqvveennii pprroobblleemmeebbii??

_ `eleqtrokavSirma~ uari

ganmicxada, rom mqonoda wvdoma

miwisqveSa sakanalizacio WebTan,

rom gameyvana kabelebi, miverTebu-

liyaviT spileZis mavTulebze da

pirdapir CavrTuliyaviT abonen-

tebTan, aseve uari gviTxres 18

saaTis Semdeg saoperatoro oTa-

xebiT sargeblobazec, arada Cven

24-saaTiani internetmomsaxureba

gvqonda da maregulirebeli kompa-

niac avaldebulebda `eleqtrokav-

Sirs~, rom CvenTvis 24-saaTiani

momsaxureoba gaewia. xsenebulma

monopolistma, maregulirebel

komisiaze zewoliT gagvioTxmaga

gadasaxadebi, 18 saaTis mere gvi-

TiSavdnen aparaturas da kabelebs

da Sesabamisad momxmarebels in-

terneti eTiSeboda, CarTvis saSu-

alebas ki ar gvaZlevdnen.

erTi sityviT, yvela-fers akeTebdnen, romCveni kompania gaenadgu-rebinaT da TavianTkuTvnil kompanias, ro-melsac Tavidan inter-net momsaxureba arhqonda, miewodebina esmomsaxureba momxmareb-lisTvis. verc awvdid-nen, radgan ar icodnenes rogor gaekeTebinaTda rom ityvian, agonia-Si iyo dedaqalaqis mTe-li internetsivrce. amyvelafers `zarala~ dakompania~ axerxebda sa-xelmwifo institute-bis daxmarebiT,

Cinovnikebis mosyidviT da a.S.

maSin maregulirebel komisias gi-

orgi arvelaZe (oRond ara taxi-

riCi – m.s.) xelmZRvanelobda.

`zarala~ mogexsenebaT, mogviane-

biT mixeil saakaSvilTanac Zalze

daaxloebuli gaxldaT da saxel-

mwifo institutebi yvelanirad

xels uwyobdnen, rom Cveni kompa-

nia CaeZira. ra Tqma unda, saxel-

mwifos mxridan aseTi damokidebu-

leba ar momwonda, imisaTvis, rom,

rogorme Tavi damecva da gamexma-

urebina, ra zewolasac ganvicdi-

diT, SevqmeniT internet gazeTi

`presa ge~. saerTod, inter medi-

is ganviTareba daviwye, radgan

sxva media saSualebebi faqtobri-

vad daxSuli, xelisuflebis mier

kontrolirebadi iyo. gavakeTeT

internet televizia `aitivi~

(2007-2008 wlebi) da vcdilob-

diT mkiTxvelisa da mayureblisT-

vis obieqturi informaciebi mig-

vewodebina. am yvelaferma kidev

ufro gaamZafra Cvens Soris dapi-

rispireba, romelmac kulminacias

2008 wlis bolos miaRwia. ru-

seTTan omSi damarcxebulma saa-

kaSvilis mTavrobam Suri Cvenze

iZia, daiwyes Cveni kabelebis ga-

daWra, `eleqtrokavSiri~ aRarc

axal abonentebs gvarTvevinebd,

amitom gadavwyviteT, gverdi ag-

vevlo maTi komunikaciebisTvis da

pirdapir optikur-boWkovani kabe-

lebiT migvewodebina mosaxleobis-

Tvis interneti.

maSin saqarTvelos internet

sivrce or gigant monopolists,

ruseTsa da TurqeTs, anu ruste-

lekomsa da Turqtelekoms Soris

iyo moqceuli, maT hqondaT dafiq-

sirebuli fasi, saqarTvelosTvis

ramdenad unda moewodebinaT in-

terneti, rac asjer ufro Zviri

Rirda, vidre evropaSi. amitom,

SevimuSave proeqti da Savi zRvis

gavliT, gaviyvaneT 1300-kilomet-

riani kabeli, romlis meSveobi-

Tac, bulgareTSi pirdapir mivu-

erTdiT evropis satelekomunika-

cio qsels, ramac cxadia, Cveni in-

ternetmomsaxurebis xarisxi gaa-

umjobesa. nacionalebis mTavroba

da `eleqtrokavSiris~ xelmZRva-

neloba darwmunda, rom Cveni gaCe-

reba SeuZlebeli iyo, ase ver

dagvamarcxebdnen da 2009 wels

axali operacia dagegmes, romel-

Sic CarTuli iyvnen Sss, meriis

sazedamxedvelo samsaxuri, saga-

dasaxado inspeqcia, maregulirebe-

li komisia. maT erToblivi Sete-

va daiwyes Cveni kompaniis winaaR-

mdeg, gaurkveveli kriminalebi

Wridnen Cvens kabelebs quCaSi, ga-

wamebuli mosaxleoba CvenTan er-

Tad dasdevda da iWerda am bo-

rotmoqmedebs, maT patrulebs va-

barebdiT, magram maSinve aTavisuf-

lebdnen. miuxedavad Cveni araerTi

moTxovnisa, ss-is saqmeebis aRZv-

ras Tavs aridebdnen, romeli saq-

mec aRiZra, arc mas miscemia

msvleloba. erTi SemTxveva tele-

kameriTac gvaqvs gadaRebuli, Tu

rogor davakaveT es `gadamWreli~

da gadaveciT patrulebs, romleb-

mac mas xelborkili daades. daka-

vebulma maSinve viRacas daureka,

daalaparaka patruli am pirovne-

bas, romelmac maT miTiTeba misca,

waiyvaneT es kaci da gauSviTo.

cxadi iyo, rom am yvelaferSi Sss

da piradad vano merabiSvili iyo

Careuli.

xmebi mogvdioda, ro-gor ixileboda sakiTxiSss-Si TaTbirze, `kavka-zus onlainis~ dangre-vis SemTxvevaSi rogorunda emoqmedaT, rogorgadaeyvanaT Cveni abo-nentebi `eleqtrokav-SirSi~. rogorc CemTv-vis cnobilia, es ganxil-vebi da dagegmvebi uSua-lod vano merabiSvilismeTvalyureobiT xdebo-da, radgan piradad masaRizianebda Cveni damo-ukidebeli media.

merabiSvilma isic kargad dai-

naxa, Tu ramxela Zala aqvs inter-

nets informaciis mopovebis

kuTxiT. swored, amitom gamogvig-

zavnes miyuradebisa da TvalTva-

lis samsaxuris ufrosi boria mi-

tiCaSvili, romelmac mogvTxova,

rom Cveni abonentebis saxlebSi

xarvezebis gasasworeblad Cveni

teqnikosebis magivrad, gadacmul

policielebs evloT, raTa iq vi-

deokamerebi da mosasmeni aparatu-

ra daeyenebinaT. ra Tqma unda, am

`SeTavazebas~ ar davTanxmdi, es

kriminalia, maSin mosmena-TvalT-

valze sasamarTlos oficialuri

gadawyvetileba momeciT-Tqo. kri-

minals ver Cavidendi, radgan es

samomavlod Sss-s monobas niSnav-

da. araviTari gadawyvetileba, amas

yvela satelekomunikacio opera-

tori dokumentis gareSec ake-

Tebs, Sen ra `wiTeli kvercxi~

xaro. Cven Soris urTierToba

amis Semdeg ufro daiZaba.

__ rraass gguulliissxxmmoobbTT??

_ 2009 wlis Semodgomaze

Sss-Tan koordinirebulad sagada-

saxado inspeqcia Semovida Cvens

kompaniaSi bolo xuTi wlis fi-

nansuri saqmianobis Sesamowmeb-

lad, amasTan erTad yvela saxel-

mwifo uwyeba gaiTiSa Cveni qseli-

dan, mere meriam dagvajarima im

motiviT, rom TiTqos Cveni kabe-

lebi saTanadod ar iyo gakidebu-

li, arada aTi satelekomunikacio

kompaniis kabelebi mainc iyo ana-

logiurad gakidebuli, Tumca maT-

Tvis araferi uTqvamT. amis para-

lelurad maregulirebelma komi-

siam dagvajarima 270.000 lariT,

ofisi rom SeicvaleT, misamarTi

droze ratom ar gvacnobeTo da

aseT wvrilmanebze. aSkara iyo, mi-

zezs eZebdnen. samjer dagvajari-

mes, saerTo jamSi 660.000 la-

riT, ris Semdegac miviReT gafr-

Txileba, Tu erTxel kidev daja-

rimdiT, internetprovaideris li-

cenzias CamogarTmevTo. finansur-

ma policiam darRveva rom ver

mogvinaxa, piriqiT, biujetSi zed-

meti gvqonda gadaxdili, brali

internetmomsaxurebis iafad ga-

yidvaSi dagvdo, Zvirad rom gage-

yidaT, biujeti 11 milioniT met

dRg-is Tanxas miiRebdao da am

odenobis Tanxis gadaxda dagveva-

la. me iafad rogor vyiddi, ro-

ca maSin bazarze xsenebuli momsa-

xureba 15 lari Rirda, am fasSi-

ve yidda `eleqtrokavSiri~ da me

rom Zviri momeTxova, cxadia, abo-

nentebs davkargavdi. am argumen-

tis pasuxad cinikurad gamicines

da miTxres, Sen es 11 milioni ga-

dagvixade da mere sadac ginda, iq

gvedave, Tu am Tanxas 45 dReSi ar

gadaixdi, cixeSi waxval, rogorc

kompaniis direqtori da mere iq

amtkice, iafad rom ar yiddio. am-

xela Tanxa kompanias ar hqonda,

arc bankebi masesxebdnen, ase rom,

gamouval mdgomareobaSi Cavvardi,

miTumetes, rom, rogorc giTxa-

riT, maregulirebeli komisiac me-

muqreboda licenziis CamorTme-

viT, mokled, CixSi Semiyvanes.

zustad amis Semdgom ̀ mestumrnen~

mixeil saakaSvilis biznes jguf

`ji.em.sis~ warmomadgenlebi. es

jgufi marTavs saakaSvilis bizne-

sebs (mas 700-mde biznesi hqonda,

xalxisTvis warTmeul biznesebs

saakaSvili iTvisebda da samarTa-

vad amaT gadascemda) da SemomTa-

vazes, yvela problema mogexsneba,

Tu Tqveni kompaniis 50%-ian wils

SeRavaTian fasSi gadmogviformeb-

To. Tavidan xviCa maqacaria, levan

xundaZe da erTi sxva piri movid-

nen, SemdgomSi ki levan yaramaniS-

vili gamoCnda, romelic dRes

`rusTavi-2~-is mflobelia. mok-

led, erTi bandaa. sxva gamosavali

ar mqonda da davTanxmdi, radgan

winaaRmdeg SemTxvevaSi cixeSi aR-

movCndebodi, Tumca arc cixeSi

wasvla iyo gamosavali, SeiZlebo-

da licenziac waerTmiaT. `Suamav-

lebi~ 18 milioni dolaris gadax-

das dampirdnen, 3 milioni bes sa-

xiT gadamixades, danarCen Tanxas,

sami wlis ganmavlobaSi gadagix-

diTo. es wili rom gadavuforme

(sul 80%-ian wils vflobdi),

amis Semdeg wamarTves internet

gazeTi da televizia, radgan ukve

maT aiRes xelSi kompaniis marTva,

Cems gareSe gankargavdnen kompani-

is kuTvnil Tanxebs, sadac undo-

daT iq ricxavdnen. sxvaTa Soris,

es yviTeli `marSrutkebic~ Cveni

kompaniis finansebiTaa SeZenili

da Semoyvanili. yvelaferi amiT

ar damTavrebula,

xsenebuli wili romgadamaformebines, meremiTxres, Zalian bevrimogvTxove, gamogveci

ratom afarebs xels axali xelisufleba

yaCaRebis bandas, romelmac `kavkazus onlainis~

mflobels mamia sanadiraZes 80%-iani wili

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_ simarTle giTxraT, me

gaocebuli var ara xelisuf-

lebis, aramed im adamianebis

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_ me vfiq-

rob, Tuki biZina

ivaniSvili wava

politikidan, aranairi wmenda

ar moxdeba da is adamianebi Ca-

inergen, romlebic movidnen.

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yoTi da momavliT. aseTi tipis

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robT.

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_ aseTi politikuri Zalis

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imitom, rom namdvilad erov-

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ideologiis mqone politiku-

ri Zala SeZlebs qveyanaSi

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vlisTanave aqtualuri gaxdeba

erovnuli interesebis dacva,

vidre dRes es aris da amis

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is faqtori, romelic qveyana-

Si ganviTarebulia da Camoya-

libebulia. amitom aseTi po-

litikuri Zalebi aucileblad

gamoCndeba da aucileblad iq-

neba qarTul politikur speq-

tris avangardSi da is daika-

vebs Rirseul adgils qarTul

politikur speqtrSi. amis ga-

rantiis micema me SemiZlia.

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_ ki SeZlebs, ra Tqma un-

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_ erovnuli Zalebi ar ari-

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muqarebi Cawerili maqvs da mtkicebulebis

saxiT gadaveci prokuraturas. xelisufle-

ba rom Seicvala, saqarTveloSi maSinve Ca-

movedi, gancxadebiT mivmarTe prokuraturas

da maTi danaSaulobebis damadasturebeli

yvela mtkicebulebebi gadaveci. garda am ma-

salebisa, arsebobs uamravi mowmec, romle-

bic Cem simarTles daadastureben. davelo-

de rom saqmes gamoiZiebdnen, magram...

__ ddRReess rraa mmddggoommaarreeoobbaaaa??

_ Tavidan swrafad daiwyo gamoZieba,

magram gaCerda, ris Semdgomac isev daiwyo

iZulebiT warTmeuli kompaniis Zarcva, ro-

melsac isev is xalxi marTavs, veranairi

kontroli ver aviRe, miuxedavad imisa, yve-

la ukanonobis damadasturebelo dokumen-

tebi Camovitane. prokuratura aSkarad ar

iZiebs saqmes, ufro sworad, yvela faqti

gamoZiebulia, magram damnaSaveebs dasa-

kiTxad ar iZaxeben. amis mizezi ki Turme,

prokuror-gamomZieblebis moucleloba yo-

fila. es ar aris borotmoqmedebisTvis xe-

lis dafareba, danaSaulis dafarva da ga-

rigebaSi Sesvla? iq sadac did Tanxebzea

saubari, cxadia, arian dainteresebuli pi-

rebic, damnaSave imisTvis iyenebs am fuls,

rom danaSauli SerCes. Zalian didi eWvi

arsebobs, rom es Tanxa im pirebis mosasyi-

dad ixarjeba, romlebsac didi gavlena aqT

xelisuflebaSi, mefis, anu biZina ivaniSvi-

lis karze, swored maTzea damokidebuli,

daiwyeba Tu ara gamoZieba, miTumetes, rom

batonma biZinam Tavis cnobil preskonfe-

renciaze calsaxad Tqva, rom mis xelSia

gasaRebi, gamoiZiebs Tu ar gamoiZiebs da-

naSauls, dasjis Tu ar dasjis borotmoq-

medebs, gamodis TviTon premier-ministri

yofila pasuxismgebeli, Cemi saqmis gamoZi-

eba rom gaCerda. ratom unda hqondes pre-

mier-ministrs borotmoqmedis dasjis Tu

ar dasjis ufleba?

iq argumentad iyo moyvani-li, saxelmwifos 7 miliardi eq-neba gadasaxdeli da daiqcevao.ra SuaSia Cem saqmesTan saxelm-wifo, roca me kerZo pirebs ve-davebi. vsvam kiTxvas, ratom ararian dakiTxuli da dapatimre-buli borotmoqmedebi, rode-sac saxezea danaSauli da esxalxi isev agrZelebs kompaniisZarcva-ngrevas.

Cemi azriT, am borotmoqmedebTan gari-

gebulebi arian. me ar vici konkretulad ra

mizeziT ar iZieben, magram es aris maTi

mxridan danaSaulSi Tanamonawileoba. xom

faqtia, rom saxelmwifo institutebi,

kerZod, prokuratura ise ar muSaobs, ro-

gorc unda muSaobdes.

__ kkoohhaabbiittaacciiiiss ddaammTTaavvrreebbaass xxoomm aarr uucc-

ddiiaann?? ggaammooddiiss yyvveellaaffeerrii iisseevv ppoolliittiikkuurr

nneebbaazzee yyooffiillaa ddaammookkiiddeebbuullii..

_ kohabitacia ar Wirdeba damnaSavi da-

kiTxvas, am `biznesmenebs~ dasakiTxadac ki

ar dauZaxes, arada sxva uamrav saqmeze

ikiTxeba xalxi. axla sasamarTlos ZaliT-

Ra vcdilob am saqmis adgilidan daZvras,

radgan prokuratura arafers akeTebs. ge-

TanxmebiT, rom yvelaferi isev politikur

nebazea damokidebuli, magram es ukve poli-

tikac aRar aris, danaSaulebrivi qmedebaa.

danaSauls politikiT ver SeniRbav. qar-

Tul politikaSi imitomac arian mravlad

xelmocaruli, usaqmuri medroveebi, rom

elodebian im dRes, roca eqnebaT politi-

kuri Tanamdeboba, rom borotmoqmedebs Se-

ekran da gaiyon qarTveli xalxis sisxlze

da cremlze `naSovni~ qoneba. aucileblad

unda Seicvalos mTeli saxelmwifo siste-

ma, Camoyalibdes iseTi instituciebi, rom-

lebic uzrunvelyofen yvela adamianis qo-

nebis xelSeuxeblobas, samarTlianobas, sa-

marTlian sasamarTlos da a.S. rodesac ba-

tonma biZinam Tavisi qoneba daibruna, e.i.

mas ekuTvnoda, radgan Zlieria, sustebma

ver daibrunes.

ZlierebisTvis yofila mxo-lod kanoni, esec xom SerCeviTisamarTalia., rac ase ar mogv-wonda saakaSvilis reJimisdros. baton arCil kbilaSvil-Tan erT-erT Sexvedraze rocaviyavi (sul samjer Sevxvdi CemsaqmesTan dakavSirebiT), vki-Txe gaiyon, rogor SeiZlebaisev is prokurorebi muSaobd-nen Tqvens uwyebaSi, romlebmacdanaSauli Caidines-Tqo, ar ga-interesebT ra mipasuxa? iciTra kargi xalxia, ra kargi oja-xebi yavT, bavSvebi, romlebicleqsebs amboben... codvaa esxalxi, rom daviWiroT da cixe-Si CavsvaTo. ki magram is 300.000patimari da probacioneri cu-di xalxi iyvnen, ojaxi da Svile-bi ar yavdaT?

ase mizezi yvelaferze SeiZleba moiZeb-

nos, yvela borotmoqmeds SeiZleba raRac

iseTi movuZebnoT, rom pasuxi ar vagebi-

noT. aqamde kidev miCndeboda raRac kiTx-

vebi gamoZiebis gaCerebasTan dakavSirebiT,

magram batonma biZinam Tavadve gaamJRavna,

rom yvelaferi mis xelSia, anu is ganagebs

prokuraturas. es aris demokratiuli qve-

yana? ratom iRebs batoni biZina valdebu-

lebas Cemi qonebis dabruneba-ar dabruneba-

ze. man isic sajarod Tqva, rac naciona-

lebma xalxs fuli waarTves, im fuliT

lobistebi iqiraves, romlebmac xelSi Se-

mikleso. Tu Segikles, maSin Seni qonebiT

gaeci pasuxi, sxvis qonebaze ratom pirde-

bi rom ar daabruneb, rogor unda ivaWro

sxvisi qonebiT? mainteresebs, ratom aZ-

levs batoni biZina Tavs imis uflebas, rom

viRac lobistebis winaSe iRebs valdebu-

lebas, nacional borotmoqmedebs rom ar

dakiTxavs.

manana suxiSvili599 51 28 24

ratom afarebs xels axali xelisufleba

yaCaRebis bandas, romelmac `kavkazus onlainis~

mflobels mamia sanadiraZes 80%-iani wili

`aaxia~ da kompanias TviTon daepatrona?

7 gv.

10 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.

interviu gazeT

`qronika+~ redaqtorTan

eliso kilaZesTan

_ qalbatono eliso, dRevan-

deli Cveni saubari mimdinareobs

rubrikiT `gismenT, kolega!~ Cven

gvaqvs dabeWdili ramdenime in-

terviu JurnalistebTan, dRes ki

saubars, albaT, ver daviwyebT

imis gareSe, rom ar gavigo Tqve-

ni Sefaseba da STabeWdileba pre-

mier-mministris da teleJurnalis-

tebis Sexvedraze.

_ saerTod, momwons, rom pre-

mieri xvdeba eqspertebs da Jurna-

listebs, magram misi gacxareba da

gaRizianeba CemTvis misaRebi ar

aris. premiers SeuZlia daarigos

Tavisi TanamSromlebi, SeiZleba

aswavlos vinmes ekonomikur labi-

rinTebSi gzis gakvleva, biznesis

saidumloebani, radgan is bevrad

ufro kompetenturia am sakiTxeb-

Si, magram mas ar aqvs ufleba

Wkua aswavlos Jurnalistebs.

JurnalistebTan Sexvedraze

cxadi gaxda, rom is ar aris in-

formirebuli. mas ar miawodes in-

formacia, romelic aucileblad

sWirdeba da es gamoCnda kidevac,

roca `rusTavi-2~-ma tradiciu-

lad operatiul reJimSi gadaa-

mowma da aRmoCnda, rom ministre-

bi dicSi ar iyvnen namyofi. es ar

icoda premier-ministrma. premiers

datvirTuli samuSao reJimi aqvs

da pressamsaxurma unda miawodos

ara is informacia, romelic esi-

amovneba, aramed is, rac realurad

xdeba.

igive iyo Cems SemTxvevaSi,

roca faresiSvili-amirejibis

skandalze premier-ministri in-

formirebuli ar iyo da gaugebar

konteqstSi 16-jer axsena Cemi sa-

xeli da gvari. mere daviTvale,

soso ciskariSvili axsena

11-jer, me _ 16-jer. mokled, Cemi

rekordi jer ZalaSia. es xumro-

biT, magram saqme isaa, rom man ar

icoda saqmis arsi, eliso kilaZe

ki ar iTxovs nacvliSvilis gada-

yenebas, aramed is saqmeebi, romle-

bic prokuraturaSi devs. 3000-ze

meti saCivaria Setanili prokura-

turaSi da ar sWirdeba amis gan-

xilvas politikuri neba.

me kategoriulad vacxadeb _

giorgi margvelaSvili da

yvela sxva, vinc ambobs, rom ko-

habitacia 27 oqtombers das-

ruldeba ityueba, radgan arc

premiers da arc prezidents

ar aqvs ufleba sasamarT-

los saqmianobaSi Caerios.

yvelaze mTavari prob-

lema, rac sazogadoebas

udgas aris is, rom samar-

Tlianobis aRdgena ar xdeba.

Cven sistematiurad vwerT konkre-

tul saqmeebze. adamianebs saCivari

SeaqvT da es saqmeebi kvlav igive

prokurorebisa da gamomZieblebis

xelSi xvdeba, vinc am danaSauleb-

Si, minimum, eWvmitanilni arian.

vfiqrob, premier-ministri, au-

cileblad unda Sexvdes presis

warmomadgenlebs, moswons Tu ara

mas Cveni pozicia.

premier-ministrispressamsaxuri, zoga-dad, fiqrobs imaze, rombaton biZinas diskom-forti ar Seuqmnas. Ta-mamad vityvi, premier-ministris piar-samsa-xuri muSaobs cudad.

aris raRacebi, rac axalma xe-

lisuflebam gaakeTa, magaliTad,

sadazRvevo sferoSi, soflis me-

urneobis kuTxiT da a.S. samwuxa-

rod, me vxedav, rom xelisufle-

bis piar-jgufebTan aravis aqvs

survili es miRwevebi mosaxleo-

bamde miitanos.

amitom, me mgonia, ufro rTu-

lad aris saqme, gansakuTrebiT

maSin, roca premieri ambobs, rom

ar surs gansxvavebuli azris

mosmena da mas hyavs kargi da sa-

ukeTeso ministrebi. me ase ar

vfiqrob da amis dasturia baCo

axalaias faruli mosmenebi,

rac sasamarTlos ga-

dawy v etilebiT

unda yofiliyo

sanqcirebuli.

sinamdvileSi

ki faruli

kadrebi gamoi-

tana, savarau-

dod, cixis

romelime Tanam-

Sromelma.

c i xe e b S ig a c i l e b i TmZime situa-ciaa. imaze rTu-li, vidre

T v i T

premiers warmoudge-nia. eqskluziurad ge-tyviT, miviRe informa-cia, rom arCevnebamdeerTi kviriT adre cixe-ebSi igegmeba bunti. ker-Zod, me-15, me-17 da me-8dawesebulebebSi.

_ vin SeiZleba iyos am buntis

maprovocirebeli?

_ Tqven ggoniaT, sozar suba-

ris uwyebaSi yofili xelisufle-

bis momxreebi da Zveli kadrebi

aRar arian darCenili?

arc erT Zalovan struqturaSi

srulfasovani reforma ar Catare-

bula da adamianebi, romlebic wina

xelisuflebis dros merabiSvilis

sadRegrZelos magidebze Semdgari

svamdnen, kvlav Zvel Tanamdebobeb-

ze arian. es rom marTlac asea, ma-

galiTic SemiZlia mogiyvanoT: qu-

TaisSi varcixesTan Catarda speco-

peracia. specoperaciis xelmZRvane-

li iyo imereTis samxareo sammarT-

velos maSindeli ufrosi levankaxiani.

am specoperaciis dros erT-

erT gardacvlils, gvarad kiziri-

as, 53 tyvia aqvs moxvedrili. gu-ram donaZem ki iseTi insceni-

reba dadga, TiTqos gardacvlils

avtomati eWira xelSi, Tumca is

ver gaiTvaliswina, rom kiziria

bavSvobidan invalidi iyo da mar-

cxena xeliT yavis Wiqasac ver

iWerda.

arsebobs mZRoli, mowme, ro-

melsac gardacvlili Tavis megob-

rebTan erTad varcixeSi mihyavda.

igi irwmuneboda, rom mgzavrebs

aranairi iaraRi ar hqoniaT. 3

adamiani Caxoces da mere daiwyes

am saqmis `gapraveba~.

specoperaciis xelmZR-

vaneli levan kaxia-ni isev Sss-Si an-titeroristuli

centris ufro-

sis moadgilea,

sakmaod maRali

T a n a m d e b o b a

uWiravs.

aseTi kon-

kretul dana-

SaulSi eWvmita-

nili pirebi das-

jilni ar arian da

es aris Zalian

cudi.

ramdenime xnis win premier-mi-

nistri misma garemocvam Seaxved-

ra gagif aqberovs, musulman

Seixs. wina xelisufleba mas mu-

sulmanur liderad aRiarebda,

Tumca aqberovs 12 weliwadi

hqonda moxdili gaupatiurebis

gamo. es is gagif aqberovia, ro-

melsac Saqro kalaSovis saxli

aCuqes.

aqberovis kvlav aRzevebam uk-

mayofileba gamoiwvia Cvens azer-

baijanel moqalaqeebSi, radgan bi-

Zina ivaniSvili maTac dahpirda

samarTlianobis aRdgenas da saa-

kaSvilis xelisuflebis mier `da-

niSnuli~ Seixis moxsnas privile-

girebuli postidan. arada, ase ar

moxda. aqberovi kvlav Seixia da

kvlav gavlenebiT sargeblobs.

igive situaciaa qvemo qarTl-

Sic. premier-ministrs Sexvdnen

misive TanamebrZolebi, adamianebi,

romlebmac Tavis droze Tavi

gaswires biZina ivaniSvilisa da

`qarTuli ocnebis~ mxardaWeris

gamo, da moindomes misTvis miewo-

debinaT informacia Tedo feiq-riSvilis Sesaxeb, romelic

flobs 14 mln. laris Rirebule-

bis miwebs am regionSi. maT ainte-

resebdaT saidan SeiZleba hqonoda

sakrebulos rigiT deputats 14

mln. lari.

Cven gamovaqveyneTTaRliTuri sqema, rom-liTac sargeblobdafeiqriSvili miwebismiTvisebis saqmeSi davvaraudobdiT, rom masdakiTxvaze daibarebd-nen, radgan is gardaban-Si, pirdapir SemiZliavTqva, gayalbebuli ar-Cevnebis gziT gaxda de-putati, magram, samagie-rod, miviReT is, rom fe-iqriSvili zviad ZiZi-gurma partiaSi miiRo

da dRes konservati-uli partiis, anu`qarTuli ocne-bis~ erT-erT su-bieqts warmoad-gens.

samwuxaro realobaa

es, magram am realobis

mosmena premiers ar

surs.

me mjera, mas unda,

rom hyavdes kargi ga-

remocva da ar surs,

Secdes garemocvis

SerCevaSi, magram es

ase ar aris.

rac male daub-

rundeba realobas,

Zalian kargi iqneba, magram Tu po-

litikidan midis da amiT aris ga-

mowveuli misi indiferentuli

damokidebuleba simarTlisadmi,

maSin saqme mTlad saxarbielod

ar unda iyos.

_ magram is samoqalaqo seq-

torSi gadasvlas gegmavs da ero-

gorc TviTon ambobs, iqedan akon-

trolebs xelisuflebas.

_ me vfiqrob, rogorc mas

warmoudgenia, ise rbilad ar gan-

viTardeba movlenebi. misi wasvlis

Semdgom koaliciaSi bevrad ufro

mZime procesebi daiwyeba.

Tanac, roca ambobs, rom Tavad

unda waradginos memkvidre, Tu is

midis politikidan da midis, ro-

gorc koaliciis lideri, maSin

rigiT adamians, Tundac miliar-

ders samarTlebrivad ar aqvs uf-

leba wamoayenos premieris kandi-

datura.

samwuxarod, koaliciaSi ar

aRmoCnda adamiani, romelic mas

amas etyoda.

ramdenime dRis win ba-tonma premierma ganacxadaagreTve, rom misi aRmoCenaaris levan murusiZe, ius-ticiis sabWos mdivani. Se-iZleba baton biZinas le-van murusiZeze informaci-as ar awvdian, magram masSeuZlia internetis saSua-lebiT moiZios masze cno-bebi da aRmoaCens, rom esadamiani iyo erT-erTi mo-samarTlea girgvlianissaqmeze da bevr Zalian mZime ga-

dawyvetilebaze aqvs xeli mowe-

rili, maT Soris politikuri

oponentebis winaaRmdeg. ase rom,

misi aRfrTovaneba sruliad uad-

giloa. aseTi tipis Secdomebi

premiers ar unda mosdiodes.

_ qalbatono eliso, sazoga-

do xmauri gamoiwvia agentebis

Temam, romelic Tqvens gazeTSi

daibeWda. ra gamoZaxili hpova am

informaciebma umaRles struqtu-

rebSi. daiwyo gamoZieba?

_ bolo or nomerSi `qroni-

ka+~ aqveynebs Zalian skandalur

masalebs. me bevri vifiqre, gamo-

meqveynebina Tu ara es masalebi,

magram gamovamzeure, roca davr-

wmundi, rom informaciebi ar iyo

yalbi. me vasaxeleb adamianebs,

romlebic dRes arian `qarTuli

ocnebis~ wevrebi da warmoadgenen

politikur elitas. Tumca am in-

formaciebis gasajaroebas sruli

dumili mohyva. es CemTvis gamaog-

nebelia, radgan velodi sasamarT-

Cven kvlav gavagrZelebT

`qarTul ocnebaSi~ Canergili

agentebis mxilebas, rom

biZina ivaniSvils simarTle

gavagebinoT, rogorc es gia

xuxaSvilis SemTxvevaSi moxda

premier-mministris pressamsa-

xuri, zogadad, fiqrobs imaze,

rom baton biZinas diskomfor-

ti ar Seuqmnas. Tamamad vityvi,

premier-mministris piar-ssamsa-

xuri muSaobs cudad.

gismenT, kolega!

11#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w. saerTo gazeTi

lo procesebs, gaviare konsul-

taciebi iuristebTan da a.S. es

adamianebi, romelTa saxelebi da

gvarebi gavamJRavne, aravin icis,

ra konkretul davalebebs iRebd-

nen kudidan `qarTuli ocnebis~

winaaRmdeg im partiis sasargeb-

lod, romelTa wevrebi axlac

arian. `nacionalur moZraobas~

vgulisxmob.

socialur qselSi amas winaT

momweres: sakuTari qveynis spec-

samsaxurTan Tu TanamSromlobda,

es SeiZleba pativic iyoso.

kargia, rodesac TanamSrom-

lob sakuTari qveynis usafrTxo-

ebisTvis, magram baCana axalaias,

megis qardavas da sxvebis konsti-

tuciuri usafrTxoebis departa-

menti Cveni qveynis sazianod iyo

Seqmnili.

_ gamodis, rom erTma saxelm-

wifo struqturam sxva politi-

kur organizaciaSi agentebi Caner-

ga, raTa momxdariyo angariSswo-

reba partiul jgufebs Soris?!

_ amas erTi martivi saxeli

hqvia. es iyo vaWroba qveyniT da

xalxiT.

darwmunebuli var, xdeboda

garigebebi. yvelaferi `gvardebo-

da~ biZina ivaniSvilis zurgs ukan

da im adamianebis ugulebelyofiT,

romlebic idgnen quCaSi da pro-

tests gamoxatavdnen arsebuli

reJimis winaaRmdeg.

cixis kadrebi rom ara, Cemi

informaciiT, Sedegebze SeTanxme-

bulni iyvnen da es iyo Sebrune-

buli Tanafardoba 40/60 `nacio-

nalebis~ sasargeblod.

me ar gamovricxav, rom ybada-

Rebuli kohabitacia, romelic ase

aRizianebs sazogadoebas kompro-

matebiT aris ganpirobebuli da

aiZuleben im adamianebs, romelTac

evalebaT samarTlianobis aRdgena,

iyvnen umoqmedod.

_ SeiZleba, premieris pressam-

saxuri ar ecnobodes gazeTebs?

_ zustad vici, ara mxolod

kiTxuloben, aramed yvela gazeTs

ecnobian da komentarebsac erTma-

neTs uziareben, oRond premieram-

de ar miaqvT.

sxvaTa Soris, SalvaramiSvilis direqtivaa_ ar gabedoT komenta-ris gakeTeba Canergiliagentebis Taobaze, rad-gan aravis ar awyobs am

Temis gaqeqvao.minda giTxraT, rom

es informaciebi me ax-

la Camivarda xelSi,

adre rom mqonoda, ma-

Sin gamovaqveynebdi. Se-

uZliaT hkiTxon advo-

kat zurab jorbenaZes,

romelic Tavad iyo

kudis agenti. misma

Zmam, saapelacio sasa-

marTlos mosamarTlem

omar jorbenaZemaiZula, rom agenti

gamxdariyo da roca

damTavrda arCevnebi, am

adamianma, sxvebisgan

gansxvavebiT, ganacxada,

rom iyo kudis agenti,

iyo Canergili. mivida

prokuraturaSi da 32-

gverdiani Cveneba misca. ra qnas me-

ti zurab jorbenaZem? es misi

mxridan samoqalaqo gmiroba ar

aris?

mas ayurebines, gldanis cixe-

Si rogor aupatiurebdnen mamaka-

cebs da uTxres, rom am

arCevanis winaSe iyo. amas

acxadebs is xmamaRla da

Cemda gasaocrad, Zalovani

struqturebidan aravis

gasCenia survili da inte-

resi, am adamians dalapa-

rakeboda.

_ sxvaTa Soris,

Tqvenc araerTxel giTq-

vamT presaSic da televi-

ziiTac ama Tu im sakiTx-

ze damkiTxeTo. gamogexma-

uraT vinme?

_ me mqonda konkretu-

li masala qvemo qarTlSi

narkotikebis mimoqcevis

Temaze. damibares qvemo

qarTlis samxareo sammar-

TveloSi dakiTxvaze, dav-

were Cveneba, sadac davasa-

xele ori piris saxeli

da gvari, romelTa meSveobiTac

azerbaijanidan narkotiki Semodis

qvemo qarTlSi. davasaxele sqema,

rogor SemoaqvT narkotiki. ker-

Zod, wyals atanen da qvemoT

xvdebian. iqve SevTavaze, wavideT

axlave da xeviaSvilis nakr-

ZalSi sarwyavi arxi vnaxoT, ro-

melic azerbaijanidan Semodis, im

arxs atanen narkotiks-meTqi.

aravis ar gasCenia survili,

erTad gvenaxa es arxi da arc saq-

mis gamoZieba wasula win. ukve

ori Tve gavida mas Semdeg.

_ ra xdeba, qalbatono eliso,

`qarTuli ocneba~ marTla ̀ ar mu-

Saobs~?

_ mesmis, rom es, razec Tqven

mimaniSneT, aris ufaso politiku-

ri reklama da iyeneben oponente-

bis diskreditaciisTvis, magram

ratom ar aRmoCnda arc erTi ada-

miani, maT Soris, `qarTuli ocne-

bis~ piaris TanamSromeli, rome-

lic amas pasuxs gascemda? im

klipSi bevri uzustobaa da es pa-

suxgasacemia. Tumca pasuxis gam-

cemic aravin ar aris.

_ gamodis, rom xelisufleba-

Si klanebi arsebobs, erTi maTga-

ni meores imiT ebrZvis, rom pre-

mier-mministramde swori informa-

cia ar mivides da reagireba ar

moxdes. aseT situaciaSi Tqven,

vinc cdilobT, ase vTqvaT, Tvali

auxiloT premiers, safrTxis qveS

ar aRmoCndebiT?

_ samwuxarod, negatiur jgu-

febs, rogorc etyoba, aqvT gavle-

nebi biZina ivaniSvilze da yvela-

nairad cdiloben swori informa-

ciebi ar mivides premier-minist-

ramde.

rac Seexeba safrTxeebs, Cvens

gazeTSi profesionalebi muSaoben.

gamocdilebac didi aqvT. yvela

maTgans TvaldaxuWuli vendobi.

isini gmirobebs Cadian.

Cven saakaSvilis xelisufle-

bas ar vepuebodiT. axalaiebs, me-

rabiSvilebs da maTnairebs vebr-

ZodiT da bolos da bolos, ima-

sac SevZlebT, premier-ministrma

yurad iRos mediis xma.

_ gia xuxaSvili sasamarTlo-

Ti rom gemuqrebodaT, giCivlaT?

rogor ganviTarda movlenebi am

kuTxiT?

_ dRes gia xuxaSviliabsoluturad ignori-rebulia biZina ivaniS-vilis mxridan. CamorT-meuli aqvs yvela ufle-ba da dakarguli aqvsyvela gavlena. ase rom,brZolas yovelTvisaqvs azri. Cvenc da beW-durma presamac, zoga-dad, ibrZola da dadgadro, rom gaarkvia biZi-na ivaniSilma, vin iyogia xuxaSvili.

preskonferenciaze, roca ba-

tonma biZinam 16-jer axsena Cemi

saxeli da gvari, maSinac vambobdi,

mjera, is male miiRebs swor in-

formacias-meTqi. im dRidan ori

Tu sami Tvis Semdeg xuxaSvil-ma iatakqveSeTSi gadainacvla. ma-

Sin Zalian usindisod moityua

xuxaSvilma, TiTqos me davure-

ke da vuTxari, rom araferSi dam-

naSave ar iyo da a.S. me gavasaja-

rove Cemi mobiluri telefonis

imdroindeli zarebi da cxadi gax-

da, rom arc erTi zari Cemi mxri-

dan xuxaSvilis telefonze ar

ganxorcielebula. Tan moviTxove,

Tu sxva nomridan aris darekili,

gamoamJRavnos is nomeric-meTqi.

amis Semdeg xuxaSvili ori kvira

mediasTan aRar gamoCenila.

aseTi usindiso tyuili premi-

eris mrCevelma ar unda ikadros.

_ qalbatono eliso, Ss minis-

tris yofilma moadgilem gela

xvedeliZem, romelic Tanamdebobi-

dan faruli video-CCanaweris gavr-

celebis braldebiT gaaTavisuf-

les, Semdeg daakaves da giraoTi

gaaTavisufles, ramdenime dRis

win sasamarTloze ganacxada, rom

mas xelT ar hqonia es Canaweri.

rogor fiqrobT, saidan gaCnda

es video da ra konkretul mizan-

ze SeiZleboda yofiliyo gaTvli-

li?

_ CemTvis es Zalian mZime Te-

maa imitom rom es exeba Cems me-

gobars laSa amirejibs.CemTvis es istoria daiwyo

imiT, rom im dRes, roca gavrcel-

da es video-masala, mTeli dRe me

kompiuterTan ar vyofilvar, ise-

Ti saqmeebi mqonda, kompiuterTan

dasajdomad veRar movicale.

saRamos 7 saaTze piradSi vn-

axe is, rac vinme daTo beriZes

hqonda gagzavnili yvela Jurna-

listisTvis.

es iyo faresiSvilis piradi

cxovrebis amsaxveli video-masa-

la.

Semdeg movida CemTan laSa ami-

rejibi da miTxra: faresiSvili

TviTmkvlelobamde misul mdgoma-

reobaSia da moviyvan TqvenTan

ofisSio.

giorgi faresiSvili Za-

lian usindiso da uzneo ada-

miania. is Cven SevifareT ma-

Sin, roca misi saxelis da

gvaris xseneba iyo Zalian sa-

marcxvino. CavatarebineT

preskonferencia. xels

vuwyobdiT da erTi kviris

ganmavlobaSi CvenTan, redaq-

ciaSi cxovrobda. roca Ss

ministrma Tavisi moadgile

Tanamdebobidan gaaTavisufla

da daakava, sami dRis Semdeg

me vigeb, rom faresiSvi-li Temur kenkebaSvi-lis saSualebiT cdilobs

kontaqti daamyaros vanomerabiSvilTan da eZebs

kavSirebs Tamar Cergo-leiSvilTan da sTxovs

maT fuls, radgan bina aqvs

bankSi Cadebuli da sanacv-

lod mzad aris Seasrulos nebis-

mieri davaleba ivaniSvilis xeli-

suflebis winaaRmdeg.

faresaSvili axla rom

ambobs, rusuli fuliT finans-

debian, da nugzar fofxaZisproeqtiao da a.S. marTla Zali-

an usindiso adamiani unda iyo,

es rom ilaparako, radgan, gar-

wmunebT, TbilisSi ar aRmoCnde-

boda arc erTi ofisi, sadac gi-

orgi faresiSvils kars gauReb-

dnen, Tundac imitom, rom is

iyo umZimes dapirispirebaSi xe-

lisuflebis gavlenian adamia-

nebTan.

man yvelaferi moigona Tqven-

Tan interviuSi. igi arc dimit-

rovTan yofila da arc me aras-

dros miTqvams misTvis – nugzar

fofxaZis geSinia Tu ara-meTqi.

Cvevad ar maqvs Cems megobrebze

ucxo adamianebs velaparako da

meorec, misi saqme iyo, elCebs

Sexvdeboda Tu sad wavidoda.

me davwere da aqac gavimeo-

reb: Tu vinmes miaCnia, rom ru-

suli fuliT vfinansdebiT, du-

ginis fondidan da a.S. miT ume-

tes, saerTod ar vici, dugini

vin aris imis garda, rom irinagogosaSvils hqonda masTan

interviu Cveni gazeTis me-4 Tu

me-5 nomerSi da amiT amoiwura

Cveni Sexeba am TemasTan. Tu fa-

resiSvili Tvlis, rom es iyo

rusuli fuli, keTili inebos

da yvela is Tanxa, rac man Cven-

gan isesxa, erTi kviris ganmav-

lobaSi aq cxovrebis periodSi,

daabrunos.

eliso kilaZe:eliso kilaZe: sxvaTa Soris,

Salva ramiSvilis direqtivaa _

ar gabedoT komentaris gakeTe-

ba Canergili agentebis Taoba-

ze, radgan aravis ar awyobs am

Temis gaqeqvao.

dRes gia xuxaSvili absolu-

turad ignorirebulia biZina

ivaniSvilis mxridan. CamorT-

meuli aqvs yvela ufleba da

dakarguli aqvs yvela gavlena.

ase rom, brZolas yovelTvis

aqvs azri. Cvenc da beWdurma

presamac, zogadad, ibrZola da

dadga dro, rom gaarkvia biZi-

na ivaniSilma, vin iyo gia xu-

xaSvili. 12 gv.

gismenT, kolega!

12 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.

Tqven zemoT gela xvede-liZeze mkiTxeT. me vapireb

momdevno sasamarTlo procesze

wavide. pirvel sxdomaze, ramde-

nadac vici, ganacxada, rom Tavs

damnaSaved ar cnobs. yuradRe-

biT davakvirdebi am process da

Tu gela xvedeliZe am saqmeSi

udanaSauloa, cxadia, Cems mxar-

daWeras is miiRebs. kidev vime-

oreb, amas im SemTxvevaSi gavake-

Teb, Tu davrwmundebi sasamarT-

lo sxdomebze, rom mas es vi-

deo-faili ar hqonia da ar

autvirTavs.

es saqme CemTvis bolomde

gaxsnili araa, imitom, rom im

versiiT, rac aqamde vicodiT, am

saqmeSi bevrad ufro meti ada-

miani SeiZleba iyos Car-

Tuli, vidre gvegona.

kerZod, piri, ro-

melmac amerikaSi

SeiZina saiti

kvercxebi.kom. ga-

daricxulia fu-

li aqedan. ar vi-

ciT im piris

vinaoba,

vinc

teqnikurad Searula es samuSao

da atvirTa video-masala am

serverze. es wre, SeiZleba, uf-

ro gafarTovdes da aq mxolod

gela xvedeliZis braleulobaze

ar iyos saubari, miT ufro, rom

batoni xvedeliZe ambobs: me arc

firi mqonia da arc amitvirTav-

so.

vfiqrob, saintereso Temaa _

es iyo piradi SurisZieba Tu

SurisZieba da brZola Ss minis-

tris batoni irakli Rari-baSvilis winaaRmdeg.

_ qalbatono eliso, Tqvens

mimarT am bolo xanebSi socia-

lur qselSi mwvave, metic,

uxamsi komentarebi gakeTda. es

Tqvens mier agentebis dasaxele-

bas mohyva. rogor fiqrobT,

Tqvens mimarT angariSsworebas

am xerxiT xom ar aqvs adgili

im klanebis mxridan, saxeli-

suflebo klanebi erTmaneTs eb-

rZviano, zemoT rom vlapara-

kobdiT, Tqven xom ar xarT

erT-eerTi samizne?

_ me mzad var nebismieri

polemikisTvis, roca saqme ar-

gumentebTan gvaqvs. is, rac

zogjer gvesmis, maT Soris ga-

ugonari ciliswamebebi sasaci-

loa, ubralod. Tundac socia-

luri qselidan, avatarebi da

gverdebi iqmneba Cvens winaaRm-

deg sabrZolvelad. is lanZRva-

ginebis korianteli, romelic

wamovida am dReebSi, piradad

col-qmari yandiaSvile-bis provocirebuli iyo.

im lanZRvis iste-riaSi feisbukze Za-lian martivi eqsperi-menti Cavatare. davwe-re _ ra unda yandiaS-vils, deda movukiTxoTu coli-meTqi? amisSemdeg es talRa Sewy-da. martivia CemTvisaxla imis garkveva,aris Tu ara es kance-lariis IP misamarTe-bidan, magram, vwuxvar,Tu `qarTuli ocne-bac~ im gzas daadga,romelzec `nacmoZra-oba~ idga.

me am mxriv, ase

vTqvaT, gamocdili

adamiani var, imi-

tom, rom Tea

TuTberiZis, ani

nadareiSvilis,

baCana axalaias

m o m x r e e b i s

mxridan msgav-

si Tav-

dasx-

mebi araerTgzis momigeriebia.

gverdic ki Seqmnes _ saxelmwi-

fos mtrebi da iq movxvdi sapa-

tioTa siaSi. ase rom, ar mak-

virvebs usindiso adamianebos

saqcieli, Tumca Zalian samwu-

xaroa, roca amas akeTebs is xe-

lisufleba, romelsac me mxars

vuWerdi da vuWer. amas akeTebs

is xelisufleba, romlis ga-

marjvebaSi mcire, magram wvli-

li maqvs Setanili.

vwuxvar, magram es adamiane-

bi ar iyvnen CvenTan erTad opo-

ziciur brZolaSi 2007 wlis

Semdeg. magaliTad, koka yandi-

aSvili kubaSi, Tbil qveyanaSi

iyo mSvidad mokalaTebuli, Ca-

movida da uceb gaxda maRali

rangis persona.

ra vqnaT, Tu ufro kreati-

uli azrovneba ar aqvT da ar

SeuZliaT sxva meTodebiT, anu

informaciebis wesierad gada-

mowmebis da garkvevis gziT

iaron, es am xelisuflebas karg

Sedegebamde ar miiyvans da yve-

laferi rom marTali iyos, ra-

sac Cemze weren, es ar niSnavs

imas, rom adamianebi, romelTa

siebs agentebis nusxaSi vaqvey-

nebT, agentebi ar arian.

iranda kalandaZe5 93 56 11 18

Cven bolomde vibrZolebT, rom

biZina ivaniSvils simarTle

gavagebinoT, rogorc es gia

xuxaSvilTan dakavSirebiT moxda

11 gv.

ggvveessaauubbrreebbaa ssaaaavvttoorroo ggaaddaa-

cceemmaa `̀TTaavviissuuffaallii TTeemmaass~~ aavvttoo-

rrii ddaa wwaammyyvvaannii,, `̀ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss

ppaattrriioottTTaa aalliiaannssiiss~~ wweevvrrii

giorgi germaniZe

__ `̀oobbiieeqqttiivvSSii~~ eerrTT-eerrTT bboo-

lloo ggaaddaacceemmaaSSii ssaauubbrroobbddiiTT `̀aa-

xxaallii mmssoofflliioo wweessrriiggiiss~~ ddooqq-

ttrriinniiss SSeessaaxxeebb,, mmooggvviiyyeevviiTT,, rraass

iiTTvvaalliisswwiinneebbss eess ddooqqttrriinnaa??

_ aTi wlis ganmavlobaSi,

jer evropaSi vcxovrobdi da

vswavlobdi, Semdgom amerikaSi

vmuSaobdi. vikvlevdi globa-

lizaciis sakiTxebs wlebis

ganmavlobaSi da cxovrebiseu-

li gamocdilebac damexmara. me

amerikuli cxovreba gaviare

ara saTburis pirobebSi, ro-

gorc es saakaSvilma gaiara,

aramed SubliT davejaxe yvela

cxovrebiseul niuanss. uamrav

profesorTan misaubria da

maqvs Cemi kvlevebi. bolos miw-

veuli viyavi SeerTebuli Sta-

tebis federaluri mTavrobis

saxelmwifo departamentSi,

amerikel diplomatebs vamza-

debdi. mqonda pativi, amerikis

dRevandeli elCi saqarTvelo-

Si da misi meuRle yofiliyv-

nen Cemi studentebi. agreTve

sxva diplomatebi, romlebic

dRes amerikis saelCoSi muSao-

ben. aq vkiTxulob leqciebs

globalizaciis sakiTxebze.

kvlevebis Sedegad davinaxe

saSineli suraTi, rom Cemi sam-

Soblo borkilebdadebulia da

nel-nela kidev ufro metad

ebmeba monobaSi. axla daiwyes

saubari avtomobilebis saval-

debulo dazRvevis Sesaxeb, es

axali msoflio wesrigis doq-

trinis nawilia, kabalizaciis

procesi, romelic iTvaliswi-

nebs mosaxleobis valebSi da

jarimebSi Cagdebas. Zalian bev-

rma dakarga saqarTveloSi uZ-

ravi qoneba, ipoTekarebis

problemas vgulisxmob, es iyo

swored, gegmis nawili, rom

krediti gaexadaT xelmi-

sawvdomi, ara pirobebiT,

aramed fizikurad, raTa mo-

saxleobas aeRo valebi. es

keTdeba imisTvis, rom ban-

kebis da finansuri korpo-

raciebis xelSi (romelTa

ukan ucxoelebi dganan) ga-

davides yvelaferi da Sem-

dgom isev mflobelebs mia-

qiraon. saerTod bankTan

urTierToba yvelgan saSi-

nelebaa, magram aq bevrad

uaresi pirobebia, vidre

amerikaSi.

__ rrooddiiddaann ddaaiiwwyyoo aamm

ggeeggmmiissTTvviiss mmzzaaddeebbaa??

_ sabWoTa kavSiris

drosac arsebobda es gegma,

magram ver Semodiodnen

sabWoTa kavSirSi, ebrZod-

nen garedan, ekonomikas

swavlobdnen. aSS-s dasav-

leT StatebSi iyo gamoyo-

fili ramdenimekaciani jgu-

fi, romelic swavlobda ekono-

mikas, rogor daeqciaT sabWoTa

kavSiri. me sabWoTa kavSirs ki

ar mivtiri, rogor SeiZleba

uRmerTo sistemas adamiani mis-

tirodes, imitom ki ar daang-

ries, rom xalxis gadarCena

undodaT, daangries, raTa dae-

monebinaT yvela qveyana, rome-

lic mis SemadgenlobaSi Sedi-

oda. `axali msoflio wesrigi~

es termini ekuTvnis sesil

rods britanel biznesmens. es

termini gaCnda meore msoflio

omis Semdgom. es aris demo-

nur-luciferuli reJimis Ca-

moyalibebis gegma msoflioSi,

sadac iqneba orfeniani sazoga-

doeba, pirveli fena, romelic

flobs yvelas da yvelafers _

mTel Semosavlebs da meore

fena _P danarCeni xalxi, anu

an mona, an yvelafris patroni.

ra samarTlianobasa da demok-

ratiazea saubari, roca msof-

lios erTi procenti flobs

msoflios mTeli Semosavlebis

40%-s. msoflios mosaxleobis

naxevarze meti erT dolarze

cxovrobs dReSi. es aris usin-

diso xalxis mogonili demok-

ratiuli faseulobebi, gare

moxmarebis produqti, romle-

bic moixmareba saqarTvelosna-

ir meore-mesame kategoriis sa-

xelmwifoebSi, imisTvis, rom

Semovidnen, daaqcion Seni kul-

tura, suliereba, mospon Seni

faseulobebi, dagaWerinon xel-

Si `koka-kola~ da `Cipsi~ da

es iyos mTeli Seni filoso-

fia. gamogifxekon jibeebi,

arafris patroni da mflobeli

ar iyo, dRe da Rame imuSao,

rogorc monam, mTeli fuli ga-

dasaxadebis saxiT gadauxado

am korporaciebs, romlebic maT

xelSia, `axali msoflio wes-

rigis~ avtorebis xelSi. Tan

unda gaWamon genmodificirebu-

li sakvebi, rom Senze bevri

fuli ar daixarjos. StatebSi

da evropaSi es ukve nawilob-

riv gakeTebulia, axla srul

damonebazea laparaki, bevrad

gauaresdeba pirobebi. realu-

rad axali msoflio werigi

aris jojoxeTi dedamiwaze

usaSinlesi cxovrebis pirobe-

biT. Seni TiToeuli nabiji un-

da iyos gakontrolebuli, es

gegmis nawilia, sabWoTa kavSi-

ris samocdaaTma welma saSine-

li daRi daasva mosaxleobas,

magitom uadvildebaT saqme

postsabWoTa qveynebSi, evropa-

Si da StatebSi es SedarebiT

Zneli gasakeTebelia, imitom,

rom maT didi xnis gamocdile-

ba aqvT demokratiis da Tavi-

sufali sazogadoebis, pirobi-

Tad, Tumca arc iq iyo demok-

ratia da Tavisufleba realu-

rad. demokratiis maxinji for-

mebi arsebobs, namdvili saxiT

demokratia principSi arc ar-

sebobs, es aris tyuili da di-

di blefi, 60-iani wlebis Sem-

deg gansakuTrebiT gaZlierda

axali msoflio wesrigi Sta-

tebSi. am wlebidan daiwyo ame-

rikelebis Tavisuflebis dang-

reva usafrTxoebis xarjze.

amerikel xalxs da Cven dRes

erTi mteri gvyavs, me antiame-

rikuli ganwyobis ki ar var,

amerikul xelisuflebasac igi-

ve mteri hyavs, rac Cven, is re-

alurad gadawyvetilebas aRar

Rebulobs, aramed korporacie-

bi da instituciebi _ axali

msoflio wesrigi!

__ bbaattoonnoo ggiioorrggii,, CCaammooggvviiTT-

vvaalleeTT,, vviinn ddggaass `̀aaxxaallii mmssooff-

lliioo wweessrriiggiiss~~ uukkaann......

_ masonebi maTi Semadgenlo-

bis erT-erTi mniSvnelovani na-

wilia, es aris agreTve sammx-

rivi komisia, bilderbergerebis

jgufi, komiteti 300, saerTa-

Soriso urTierTobebis sabWo,

rokfelerebis ojaxi amerikaSi,

rotSildebis ojaxi evropaSi,

finansuri instituciebi, banke-

bi da a.S. axlo aRmosavleTis

qveynebSi, romlebSic Statebi

Sedis, Tan qimiur iaraRze la-

parakobs. rogor SeiZleba mas

qimiur iaraRze laparakis uf-

leba hqondes, roca vietnamSi

Sxami moasxa da 400000 adami-

ani mokla iq. eraySi atomuri

iaraRis narCenebi gamoiyenes,

romliTac, gaeros daskvnis mi-

xedviT, absoluturad daangri-

es erayeli mosaxleobis gene-

tikuri mTlianoba. es aris ka-

cobriobis winaSe damnaSave yve-

laze boroti Zalebi, rac ki

dedamiwaze arsebula odesme.

`axali msoflio wesrigi~ aris

yvelaze uborotesi moZraoba,

maT Soris, rac kacobriobisT-

vis aqamde cnobili yofila da

cxra weli saakaSvilis xeli-

sufleba iyo absoluturi war-

momadgeneli misi, misi doqtri-

nis mimdevari.

nino kobaiZe

`axali msoflio wesrigi~ aris

yvelaze uborotesi moZraoba, rac

kacobriobisTvis aqamde cnobili

yofila da saakaSvilis xelisufleba

iyo misi doqtrinis mimdevari~

13saerTo gazeTi#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.

gvesaubreba

globalizaciis

politikis mkvlevari

zviad iremaZe

_ batono zviad, globa-

lur politikas ikvlevT. ra

gamoikveTa am kvlevebSi, ra

aris globaluri politika

da ras moutans is Cvens qve-

yanas?

_ me globalizacias veZa-

xi gaofialurebul kriminals

da ratom vfiqrob ase, amas

faqtebiT dagisabuTebT. 30-40

wlis da meti xnis adamianebi

dameTanxmebian, rom saqarTe-

loSi arasdros aravin ar

udevniaT, aranairi kategori-

is adamiani ar dauCagravT. maT

Soris arc homoseqsualebi,

axla ki umciresobebad iTv-

lebian, maTi uflebebis gansa-

kuTrebul dacvas moiTxoven

da gvavaldebuleben, pativi

vceT, esenic awyoben aRlu-

mebs. aRlumis ganmarteba ki

enciklopediaSi aseTia: aRlu-

mi aris gamarjvebis aRsaniSna-

vi zeimi. e.i. saqarTveloSi

geebma gaimarjves da cxvir-

pirmoxatulebma aRlumi Caa-

tares. amas xedaven

bavSvebi, axalgazrde-

bi, es tragediaa. ara-

da, saqarTvelo `ev-

ropul ojaxSi~ rom

miiRon, amas unda See-

guos.

globaluri poli-

tikis erT-erTi Wri-

li aris homoseqsua-

lizmi, radgan qveyana-

Si, sadac homoseqsua-

lizmi viTardeba da

matulobs, demografi-

uli problema katas-

trofulia. es antisa-

xelmwifoebrivi ten-

denciaa da pirdapiri

saxelmwifo genocidi.

glob aliz aci i s

egidiT saqarTveloSi

mZvinvarebs ekonomiku-

ri sabotaJi moqalaqe-

ebis winaaRmdeg. yvela

kargad vxedavT, rom

aTasobiT adamiani kargavs

sacxovrebel saxls. me sabWo-

eTis mexotbe arasdros vyo-

filvar, magram normaluri

gonebiT SevxedoT da Sevada-

roT: sabWoTa kavSirSi adami-

anebi muSaobdnen, idgnen rigSi

da iRebdnen sacxovrebel bi-

nebs usasyidlod. dRes ra

xdeba? sakuTar saxelmwifoSi

arsebuli banki adamians arT-

mevs sacxovrebel saxls _

Tuki ar gadaixdis bankidan ga-

motanil vals. sxvaTa Soris,

TviT es bankebic ipoTekarebi

arian da federaluri bankidan

`nasesxeb~ federaluri banki

procentebs iRebs ubralo mo-

qalaqeebis jibeebidan da imxe-

la valebSi vardeba adamiani,

usaxlkarod rCeba. meti ra

aris qveynis dapyroba? mteri

rom ama Tu im qveyanaSi Sedi-

oda, mosaxleobas saxlebs ar-

Tmevda da ungrevda.

problema is ki ar aris,

saqarTveloSi xelisuflebis

saTaveSi vin mova da vin wava,

saqme isaa, romeli finansebiT

da ra ZalebiT imarTebian es

adamianebi. daakvirdiT, sad

dadian politikosebi mosa-

TaTbireblad yovelTve. eseni

arian marionetuli mTavrobe-

bi da kargic rom undodeT

xalxisTvis, mainc ver gaake-

Teben.

gagaxsenebT, 2003 wels,

rogorc ki gairkva, rom miSam

da misma amfsonebma Caigdes

xelSi Zalaufleba, Zalian ma-

le Camovida jorj sorosi.

2012 wlis oqtombris arCev-

nebis Semdegac Camovida soro-

si ivaniSvilis xelisufle-

basTan.

aq yoveli erovnuli saqme

sikvdiliT isjeba da gmirobis

tolfasia. axla maxsendeba ba-

toni guram SaraZe, romelic,

Tu ar vcdebi, zustad oqtom-

bris TveSia dabadebuli. gax-

sovT, rogor mokles Sua ve-

raze dRisiT da mzisiT? amiT

gvaCvenes, vinc SegvewinaaRmde-

geba, davsjiT saxalxod da

verc ki gamoiZiebT am saqme-

so.BEBO

_ batono zviad, saqarTve-

los parlamenti ixilavs ka-

nons, romelic ojaxSi bavSv-

ze ganxorcielebul Zalado-

bas Seexeba. am sakiTxis

mkvlevarebi aRniSnaven, rom

saqarTveloSi bavSvTa mimarT

Zaladobis SemTxvevebi xSiria.

esec xom ar aris dasavleTi-

dan Tavsmoxveuli da ra mi-

zans SeiZleba emsaxurebodes

es kanoni?

_ jer kanoni damtkicebu-

li araa da pirdapir vityvi:

RmerTma dagvifaros, rom aqam-

de mivides saqme. kanons saka-

nonmdeblo organoebi uamravs

iReben. es maTi saqmea da ar

Rirs amis utrireba, ityvis

mavani, magram am mosazrebas

axlave gavaqarwyleb: interne-

tis saZiebelSi laTinuri

asoebiT Caweron iuvenaluri

iusticia da yvelaferi cxadi

gaxdeba.

_ oriode dRis win ganaT-

lebis ministrma Tamar saniki-

Zem ganacxada, `skolebSi man-

daturebs bavSvTa dacvis ofi-

ceri Caanacvlebs, xolo man-

daturis samsaxuri bavSvTa

dacvis, mediaciisa da fsiqo-

logiuri samsaxuriT Seicv-

leba. maTi ZiriTadi movaleo-

ba bavSvis dacva iqneba, ro-

gorc skolaSi, aseve mis ga-

reT. vfiqrobT, sapilote

programas meore semestridan

avamoqmedebTo. es iuvenaluri

iusticiis niSnebia?

_ xom xedavT, ukve saxezea

kavSiri iuvenalur iusticia-

sa da bavSvTa uflebebis dac-

vasTan.

iuvenaluri iusticiis,

rogorc teqnologi-

is danergvis Semdeg

saxelmwifoSi iqmne-

ba, magaliTad, iseTi

institucia, rogo-

ricaa saSualo sko-

laSi mandaturi,

oRond es mandaturi

SeiTavsebs socialu-

ri muSakis funqcia-

sac. soc.muSakis mo-

valeoba iqneba gamo-

kiTxos bavSvebs, Tu

rogor pirobebSi

arian ojaxebSi da

rogor eqcevian

mSoblebi.

_ Zalian kargi,

Tu mSoblis garda

bavSvze saxelmwi-

foc izrunebs.

_ diax, es erTi

SexedviT, magram me

SemiZlia magaliTebi

mogiyvanoT. iuvena-

luri iusticiis teqnologi-

iT, magaliTad, ukrainasa da

ruseTSi aTasobiT bavSvi

mowyvites ojaxs da saxelm-

wifos gadasces.

sakmarisia, bavSvma socia-

lur muSaks uTxras, rom

mSobelma mas Tambaqos moxma-

reba aukrZala, datuqsa, an

televizoris Tu kompiuteris

CarTva aukrZala, ar misca sa-

Sualeba, 18 wlamde akrZalu-

li filmis yurebisa, maSinve

iwyebs amoqmedebas iuvenaluri

iusticia.

_ da mSobeli Svils veRa-

rasodes ibrunebs?

_ Teoriulad, mSobels

Svilis dabruneba SeuZlia sa-

samarTlos gziT, magram saqme

unda gadawyvitos evropis sa-

erTaSoriso sasamarTlom.

iuvenaluri iusticia gaeros

proeqtia da samarTalsac ev-

ropis saerTaSoriso sasamar-

Tlo arkvevs.

es aris safuZvelTa safuZ-

veli ojaxis dangrevisa, rac

qveynis ZirisZirobamde mospo-

bis tolfasia.

_ mSoblebs CamorTmeuli

bavSvebi sad mihyavT?

_ mogexsenebaT, didi ten-

cenciaa dawyebuli evropasa

da aSS-Si erTsqesiani qorwi-

nebiT Semdgari ojaxebisa.

saintereso statistikas

mogawvdiT: 1998 wels ukrai-

naSi ojaxebs CamoarTves 2800

bavSvi, 2008-Si 14800 da im

mizeziT, rom amden upatrono

bavSvs ver mouvlida saxelm-

wifo, bavSvebi gaaSviles ev-

ropaSi.

am kanonze adrec iyo sa-

qarTveloSi saubari, maSin

yuri mogviTeles, axla isev

imeoreben, Tu dRes an xval

ar miiRes es kanoni, zeg mainc

miiReben.

maSin, roca qveyana ekonomi-

kur siduxWireSi aris Caflu-

li, bavSvebs ar aqvT srulfa-

sovani ganaTlebis miRebis sa-

Sualeba da bevri sxva, rasac

saxelmwifo unda uzrunvel-

yofdes, axla maTi xelyofa

ojaxebSi daiwyes. es niSnavs

pirdapir STamomavlobis mita-

cebas ojaxebidan, oRond, am-

jerad, kanonis ZaliT.

unda giTxraT, rom ojaxis

instituti CvenSi yovelTvis

wminda da Zlieri iyo, am ka-

nonis miRebas dasavleTi Cven-

Tan mTeli ZalisxmeviT Seec-

deba, radgan ojaxis dangre-

viT sabolood daangrevs da

daipyrobs Cvens qveyanas.

iranda kalandaZe593 56 11 18

ixileT `saerTo gazeTi~

internetSi

www.saertogazeti.geSSeemmooggvviieerrTTddiiTT FACEBOOK-zze

parlamentSi axali kanoni

ganixileba, romlis Tanaxmadac,

SeiZleba, mSoblebs Svilebi

ubralo mizeziTac waarTvan

14 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.

`̀aarrCCeevvnneebbiiss ddRRiiss mmooaaxxllooee-

bbiiss ppaarraalleelluurraadd ppoolliittiikkuurrii

tteemmppeerraattuurraa mmaattuulloobbss ddaa ppoo-

lliittiikkuurrii pprroovvookkaacciieebbiicc ppiikkss

aaRRwweevvss~~,, aaccxxaaddeebbss `̀ssaaeerrTToo ggaa-

zzeeTTTTaann~~ iinntteerrvviiuuSSii mmooZZrraaoobbaa

`̀iivveerriieelleebbiiss~~ xxeellmmZZRRvvaanneellii

levan koWloSvili.. iiggii

aarr ggaammoorriiccxxaavvss,, rroomm aamm ddaaZZaa-

bbuull ffoonnzzee kkoonnkkrreettuullii ppiirree-

bbiiss ppoolliittiikkuurrii iinntteerreesseebbiiss

ggaammoo,, ssaaqqaarrTTvveellooss ssaaxxeellmmwwii-

ffooeebbrriioobbiiss ssaakkiiTTxxii kkiiTTxxvviiss

nniiSSnniiss qqvveeSS ddaaddggeess..

- okupirebuli regionis

e.w. sazRvarTan, iq sadac rusi

jariskacebi mavTulxlarTebs

abamdnen, organizacia `Tavisu-

fali zonis~ warmomadgenlebi

gadascdnen im konkretul sa-

zRvars, romelic saqarTvelos

mosaxleobas Cvenma uSiSroe-

bis samsaxurma Tu policiam

dauwesa, rasac aSkarad udis

provokaciis suni.

aSkaraa, rom es provokaci-

ebi garkveuli politikuri Za-

lebis interesebs emsaxureba.

aq aris movlenaTa mTeli jaW-

vi.

iqmneba aseTi foni, rom Tu

okupirebuli regionis mimdeba-

red, moxda seriozuli provo-

kacia, mixeil saakaSvils kidev

erTxel eZleva Sansi, rom ga-

ixangrZlivos saprezidento

vada.

- mmooddiiTT aamm ssaakkiiTTxxzzee uuffrroo

kkoonnkkrreettuullaadd vviissaauubbrrooTT..

- Tu okupirebul region-

Tan erTi gasrola mainc mox-

da, mixeil saakaSvili maSinve

gamoacxadebs sagangebo mdgoma-

reobas da bunebrivia, CaiSle-

ba saprezidento arCevnebi, anu

saakaSvils gauxangrZlivdeba

saprezidento vada. aq arse-

bobs meore SesaZlo varian-

tic. Tu ruseTma da saqarTve-

lom okupirebuli regionis

mimdebare teritoriis gamo,

garkveul sakiTxebze erTma-

neTTan Widaoba daiwyes, savse-

biT SesaZlebelia, rom nino

burjanaZe kremlidan putinTan

erTad gamogvecxados da ga-

keTdes maTi erToblivi gan-

cxadeba, rom saomari moqmede-

ba iqneba Tu rac iqneba, nino

burjanaZis xaTriT aris aRkve-

Tili. Sesabamisad, amiT ni-

no burjanaZis reitingi

xelovnurad gaizrdeba, anu

gare Zalebisa da specsam-

saxurebis xelSewyobiT.

daakvirdiT, ra done-ze emTxveva saakaSvili-sa da burjanaZis inte-resebi erTmaneTs, Tuprovokacia xdeba, mixe-il saakaSvils saprezi-dento vada uxangrZliv-deba, xolo nino burja-naZe aris am xelovnuradinicirebuli konfliq-tis ase vTqvaT, damlage-beli, Sesabamisad ukve maT

Soris midis vaWroba garkveul

politikur sakiTxebze. ase

rom, ruseTis specsamsaxurebis

mier dagegmili provokacia

zustad imisken aris mimarTu-

li, rom gamoCndes, Tu rogo-

ri ususuria `qarTuli ocne-

ba~ ruseTTan urTierTobaSi.

igive scenaria, rac 2008 wels

gaTamaSda, anu provokacia mox-

deba da mere mTavaria vin `mo-

agvarebs~ problemas, nino

burjanaZe Tu mixeil saakaS-

vilis mier CarTuli konkre-

tuli dasavleli liderebi. am

yvelafris mTavari Sedegi ki

is aris, rom `qarTuli ocne-

bis~ ganeitraleba xdeba, Tan

im fonze, rodesac biZina iva-

niSvili ambobs, rom politi-

kidan midis.

dRes sami saprezi-dento kandidatia,romlebsac reiting-ze SeiZleba hqondeTpretenzia, eseni ari-an giorgi margvelaS-vili, nino burjanaZeda daviT baqraZe, amor ukanasknels ucxo-uri specsamsaxurebi

uWeren mxars da un-daT kuTxeSi miimwyv-dion koalicia `qar-Tuli ocneba~.

- ZZaalliiaann mmZZiimmee bbrraallddeebbeebbss

uuyyeenneebbTT aamm kkaannddiiddaatteebbss,, mmaaiinncc

rroommeellii qqvveeyynneebbiiss ssppeeccssaammssaaxxuu-

rreebbss gguulliissxxmmoobbTT??

- ZiriTadad rusuls, Tum-

ca amerikulis mxardaWerac

pirdapir gamoCnda makeinis gan-

cxadebaSi, martivi eniT Tu

vityviT, makeinis mxridan es

iyo mowodeba, rom wina saoma-

ri viTareba Seiqmnas. rodesac

am rangis politikosi akeTebs

gancxadebas, es ukve seriozu-

li gzavnilia. vimeoreb, logi-

kurad Tu vimsjelebT,

aq ori scenari Se-iZleba gaTamaSdes,saomari situaciaawyobs saakaSvils,xolo naxevrad saoma-ri nino burjanaZes,es saprotesto aqcie-bic amas uwyobs xels,romelic Zalian Za-bavs situacias.

am aqciebis momwyobebi rom

daiWiron rusma jariskacebma,

amis mere nino burjanaZe Cava

ruseTSi, is sakmaod Wkviani

politikosia da darwmunebuli

var ityvis: saprezidento kam-

paniis warmarTvas, mirCevnia am

adamianebs vuSveloo da ruse-

bic dakavebulebs gamouSveben.

aqedan is gamoCndeba, rom abo-

boqrebuli ruseTis daSoSmi-

neba mxolod mas SeuZlia. Si-

da qaosic Cawynardeba, burja-

naZe mogvevlineba mesiad, ro-

melmac gadagvarCina da realu-

rad aqvs Sansi ruseTTan ur-

TierTobebi rom daalagos. ru-

seTi isev mtris xatad warmo-

Cindeba, rogorc iyo, samagie-

rod burjanaZis reitingi avt-

omaturad gaizrdeba.

me vsvam kiTxvas, Tu Cven

vambobT, rom ruseTs aqvs Cve-

ni teritoriebi okupirebuli,

vaprotestebT saqarTvelos

SigniT mavTulxlarTebis gab-

mas, maSin ratom vaZlevT ru-

sebs da saqarTveloSi moRvawe

konkretul politikur Zalebs

provokaciis mowyobis saSua-

lebas? me arcerT partias ar

vemxrobi, ubralod realoba

minda avsaxo. Zalian kargia,

rom am arCevnebis dros, saxe-

lisuflebo kolicia adminis-

traciul resurs ar iyenebs,

magram ratom ar axdens mTav-

roba reagirebas im faqtebze,

rodesac prezidentobis or

kandidats ucxo qveynis spec-

samsaxurebi ugegmaven mTel pi-

araqcias, aZleven finansebs,

romliTac xdeba saarCevno kam-

paniis warmoeba, es me vici da

Cvenma specsamsaxurebma ar ici-

an? SeiZleba Cems am gamonaTq-

vamebs didi skandali moyves,

magram es realobaa. me Cemi

gadmosaxedidan, umoqmedobaSi

vadanaSauleb `qarTul ocne-

bas~. demokratiis principebi

dairRveva Tu nacmoZraobaSi

da burjanaZis ofisSi revizia

Seva da daiwyebs im finansebis

warmomavlobis mokvlevas,

romliTac isini saarCevno kam-

panias awarmoeben, an xelovnu-

rad Seqmnili daZabulobis ke-

rebis da mosalodneli provo-

kaciebis sakiTxs Tu gamoiZie-

ben? demokratiis dacva zus-

tad is iqneba, Tu sxva qveyne-

bis mier dagegmili piaraqcie-

bi da saprezidento kampania ar

iwarmoeba saqarTveloSi.

Tqveni gazeTis saSualebiT,

minda xazgasmiT ganvacxado,

rom mosalodnelia seriozu-

li provokaciebi okupirebul

regionebTan. me kargad minda

daukvirdeT TiTqos umniSvne-

lo detalebsac, radgan yvela-

feri erTmaneTTan kavSirSia.

rodesac daviT seergeenko

gorSi Cavida, iq maSinve gamog-

vecxada prezidentis administ-

raciis ufrosi andro barnovi

da daZabuli situacia Seqmna.

sergeenko da sxva ministrebi

mTeli saqarTvelos masStabiT

dadian, magram nacionalebi iq

roca sazRvarze e.w. `qvakacebs~ dgamdnen, rusebs

ki ar gadmouweviaT sazRvari aqeT, saqarTvelos SigniT,

sazRvris dacvis departamentma gadmoswia,

departamentis xelmZRvanelis badri biwaZis

brZanebiT, ris Sedegadac rusebs didi teritoriebi

vaCuqeT, maT Soris yadoris cixec. es im dros xdeboda,

roca nino burjanaZe parlamentis Tavmjdomare iyo...

okupirebuli regionTan dagegmili

provokaciebi SeiZleba ori scenariT

ganviTardes _ saomari situacia

awyobs saakaSvils, naxevrad

saomari _ nino burjanaZes

mixeil saakaSvili da nino burjanaZe saqarTvelos

winaaRmdeg did provokacias gegmaven?

15saerTo gazeTi#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.

gamarjobaT, batono vaxtang!biurokratia franguli sityvaa [bu-

reaucratie] mogexsenebaT, da saxelmwifos

marTvas niSnavs xalxis gareSe. netarx-

senebulma zviad gamsaxurdiam erT Tavis

gamosvlaSi brZana: `biurokratia gigan-

turi Zalaa, magram cxovrebaSi suliT

maTxovarni axorcielebeno!~ qveyana mo-

viare da erTaderTi Tqven da Tqveni ga-

zeTi vnaxe, romelmac gaigo atenis si-

onis dakargviT gamowveuli uzarmazari

adamianuri gulistkivili, radgan gor-

Si umdidres adamians _ meufe andrias

gadauwyvetia sakuTari survilisamebr

VII saukunidan momdinare qarTuli,

qristianuli madlis `gankargva~ da Ta-

visi feodaluri simdidris wyalobiT,

buzs vin aufrens?! miT umetes, vin mo-

iclis `gagania~ arCevnebisas. mxolod

TqvenTvis aris naTeli, rom atenis si-

oni xalxma moiyvana aqamde da misma aR-

maSenebelmac is qveynis sakuTrebad da-

tova! sxvas ki bneleTis mociquls, `o-

riode groSis~ mflobelis caltvina

azrovnebiT, xalxi, riSelies Tqmis ar

iyos, `jogad~ warmoudgenia da mxolod

`gagania~ arCevnebisas Tu Caagdebs ra-

med, raTa misTvis sasurveli saprezi-

dento kandidati kidev ufro msuyed

cxovrebisTvis Seigulos. amitomac zo-

gierTi Tu ixveweba `is~ airCie-

To, zogic `brtyel-brtyel rCe-

vas~ iZleva, da arseboben iseTe-

bic, sakuTar kandidats ukve

`arCeulad~ rom Tvlian!

dameTanxmebiT, sacodavi sayu-

rebelia maTi `frCxilTa bRoWva-

ni~, rameTu ar ician, rom `mos-

vlad ars Ze kacisai didebiTa ma-

miTa TvisaiTa angelozTa misTa

Tana da maSin miagos kacad-ka-

cadsa saqmeTa maTTaebr~.

(maTe 16, 27).

ubedurebma arc is ician, rom

dedaRvTismSoblis wilxvedr

qveyanas bevri unaxavs amJamad is-

toriis WaobSi mofuTfuTe mat-

li, xolo atenis sioni ki mTe-

li Tavisi didebiT kvlav da

kvlav amSvenebda saukuneebs da

araerTxel misi sicocxlis ukv-

davsayofad gawyvetila Cemi mSobliuri

sofeli, romelic saWiroebis SemTxveva-

Si, arc axla moerideba Tavganwirvas.

xolo rac Seexeba 27 oqtombris arCev-

nebs, movixdiT Cvens moqalaqeobriv

vals: davafiqsirebT sakuTar arCevans,

xalxs vin hkiTxa azri, Torem gaigebd-

nen, rom aRaravis ainteresebs, vin iqne-

ba `brmaTa Soris calTvali~ da arc

usafuZvlod! qalbatoni nino burjanaZe

mis maRalanazRaurebad garemocvas rom

hkiTxoT, ukve arCeulia (?!) arada, is-

toriis Semoqmedi cota sxvagvarad az-

rovnebs: SevardnaZiseul parlamentSi

kubaRlinjoianis, xolo `vardebianSi~

noRaidelis daxmarebiT milionebis Sem-

tyapuneblis saxeliT mibrZanebuli, sa-

kuTari ojaxis naninanatri, 1 larad

SeZenil `saofiso~ agarakSi gatylarWu-

li qalbatoni, Ria cis qveS myof upo-

varT, avadmyofi bavSvi pirdapir tro-

tuarze rom ewvinaT, moRalateebs eZa-

xis, dasaqcevi 7 noembris Semdeg, mxo-

lod da mxolod specrazmelis mosana-

xuleblad mikakunobs saavadmyofoSi da

xan `msxverpli~ da xan `gmiri~ 26 mai-

sis demonstraciisa, sazogadoebas ra-

tom ar ganumartavs, misi patimrobaSi

ayvanili meuRle rogor gadadis sazR-

varze, rogor cxovrobs evropaSi Zvi-

radRirebul sastumroSi da rogor

brundeba saqarTveloSi, bednieri Rimi-

liT sakuTar saxlSi?! hoda, erTi Wkvi-

ani qarTvelis ar iyos, xelisufalSi

cotaTi juRaSvili rom yofiliyo...

an ras fiqroben dResdReobiT Zvir-

fas ZonZebSi gamoxveul `unaxavma ra na-

xa~ naTelaSvilze, romelmac vera da

ver auxsna mavans, rogor moxvdnen vano

merabiSvilisa da soso TofuriZis uax-

loesi naTesavebi `leiboristuli par-

tiis~ saarCevno siiT parlamentSi da

TviTon `damxrCvaliviT mofarTxale~

ratom iRebda Tavis lekvebTan erTad

parlamentaris xelfass?

kiTxva ar unda `xvlik~ TargamaZes,

`gmirTagmir~ sergo javaxiZes _ noRai-

deli rom Caanacvla da `ixsna~ samSob-

lo! ra sasaciloa, satirali rom ar

iyos?! da sxvaTa da sxvaTa, qarTuli

sibrZne rom ityoda: `arCevanSi cxra

iyoo da naxevari brma iyoo~. vai, rom

mova dro da imitom, rom zemoTCamoTv-

lilma `yoCebma~ ar ician samyaros Zi-

riTadi kanoni: `damdablebulni maRlde-

bian~ da imitom, rom xalxs aswavlis

ieso: `nu viyuarebT sityviTa, xolo nu-

ca eniTa, aramed saqmiTa da WeSmarite-

biTa~ (ioane 4, 7).

mama RmerTis kurTxeviT, mematiane

gamohkravs maT erT boRCaSi, daawers

`CemTvis urgebi qoTani qvasao, SeWaman-

di ki ZaRlsao~ da gaatans juRaSvilis

saflavidan nagvis amkref istoriis qa-

riSxals, iseT mousavleTSi, ukan mo-

xedvasac rom ver gabedaven, imisda miu-

xedavad, batoni ivaniSvili wava Tu ar

wava politikidan. brZeni qarTveli

xalxi ki ambobs, rom is aucileblad

unda wavides politikidan, radgan `vi-

sac unda, rom RmerTi asaxelos da adi-

dos... iman ori saxeli unda iqonios,

erTi aq dasarCeni, meore Tan wasayoli~,

_ wers eris mama da moZRvari ilia Wav-

WavaZe, da batonma ivaniSvilma kohabita-

ciuri borkilebisa da qarTvelTaTvis

gaugebar-miuRebeli prodasavlur, proC-

rdilour Tu prosamxreT-aRmosavlur

samarTalTa fonze, moyvasisTvis `Wiqa

wylis gawodebiT~ imdens miaRwia, rom

daimkvidra aq dasarCeni, xolo Tan wa-

sayoli saxelisaTvis, mama RmerTi mas

gamocdas uwyobs, radgan isev ufskru-

lis pirasaa misi samSoblo, sxvaa moZ-

mis da sxvaa qveynis patronoba, rac

mxolod `lomTa~ xvedria! me, rogorc

erTi usaxsro da upovari mowrmune,

marTlmadidebeli qristiani, Cems mamapa-

piseul salocavebTan erTad, mTeli su-

liT da guliT vusurveb baton biZina

ivaniSvils uzenaesis gamocdis warmate-

biT Cabarebas, raTa mudmivad evlos im

saval gzaze, romelzec mxolod rCeu-

li, RmerTSemosili mamuliSvilni dadi-

an...

ufalma SegiwiroT Tqven, Rrmad pa-

tivcemulo batono vaxtang da `saer-

To gazeTs~ Cemi soflis mosaxleobis

gulistkivilis esoden TanagrZnoba!

RmerTma inebos da atenis sionis Za-

la, locva da madli ar mohklebodes

saqarTvelos!

ufals ebarebode, Cemo tanjulo

samSoblov!

qristesmieri siyvaruliT da

gulwrfeli pativiscemiT

nato xuciSviligori, ateni

`saerTo gazeTis~ redaqciasase ar dasdeven. mainc da mainc okupi-

rebuli regionis mimdebare teritori-

aze Cavida barnovi da socialurad Se-

Wirvebul fenaze gaamaxvila viTom yu-

radReba. imave dRes saakaSvili ganmu-

xurs ewvia, romelic aseve okupirebu-

li afxazeTis mimdebaredaa. TviTmarqvia

prezidenti Turme infrastruqturis

dasaTvaliereblad Cavida, ra hqonda iq

sakekluco, roca mis mier aSenebuli

xidi mokle xanSi mdinarem

waiRo? an is dadgmuli

speqtakli rad Rirda, qale-

bi miSa, miSas ZaxiliT, rom

gamorbodnen da exveodnen.

ra naxa da ris gasarkvevad

iyo saakaSvili iq Casuli?

is piaraqciac kargad exso-

meba sazogadoebas, saakaSvi-

li, misi dacvis wevrebi da

avtomatgadakidebuli par-

lamentari giorgi asaniZe

or kinkila rus jariskacs,

rom dasZaxodnen, davai, na ...

ot sudao. isic xom viciT,

rogor gadauxades rus

oficrebs didi fuli am

speqtaklSi. ra undoda iq

avtomatian parlamentars, es

saqme ar aris gamosaZiebe-

li? Cveni sazogadoebis bra-

lia, maSin kargad rom ar iyo es aqcia

gaanalizebuli.

me erTi ram mainteresebs,am mavTulxlarTebis gabmaukve didi xania mimdinareobsSuagul saqarTveloSi da ma-inc da mainc arCevnebis winratom gaxda es Tema ase aq-tualuri, axla ratom Caer-To yvela, manamde ar icod-nen?

me ar vambob, rom yvela iq Camsvle-

li specsamsaxurebis TanamSromelia,

magram xelovnurad rom aris inicire-

buli da wamoweuli es Tema, ori azri

ar arsebobs. nacionalebisgan aris es

Tema specialurad wamoweuli da gamw-

vavebuli, rom Seiqmnas iseTi situacia,

rac saakaSvils saSualebas miscems sa-

gangebo mdgomareoba gamoacxados.

- ZZaalliiaann mmaaiinntteerreesseebbss iiggiivvee `̀TTaavviissuu-

ffaallii zzoonnaa~~,, JJuurrnnaalliisstteebbii,, ssttuuddeennttee-

bbii ddaa ssaazzooggaaddooeebbiiss ssxxvvaa wwaarrmmoommaaddggeenn-

lleebbii ssaaaakkaaSSvviilliiss rreezziiddeenncciiaassTTaann rraa-

ttoomm aarr mmaarrTTaavveenn ssaapprrootteessttoo aaqqcciiaass,,

rruussii jjaarriisskkaacceebbii xxoomm sswwoorreedd ssaaaakkaaSSvvii-

lliiss ddaaddggeenniill ssaazzRRvvrreebbzzee aabbaammeenn mmaavv-

TTuullxxllaarrTTeebbss??

- me ukve giTxariT, rom `Tavisufa-

li zona~ aris konkretuli politiku-

ri partiis interesebis gamtarebeli.

amaT satelit organizaciebs eZaxian,

imas, rasac ver aJRerebs da akeTebs po-

litikuri partia, am arasamTavrobo

organizaciebs abareben. sazRvrebis mi-

wera-miTiTebas rac Seexeba, saqarTve-

lo ra sazRvrebiTac Sevida sabWoTa

kavSiris SemadgenobaSi, imave sazRvre-

biT gamovida, aseTi iyo SeTanxmeba, mar-

Tlac saakaSvilma daumata es terito-

riebi da Tanac aramarto e.w. samxreT

oseTs, ruseTic guluxvad daasaCuqres.

2007 wels, rodesac sazRvris dacvis

departaments badri biwaZe xelmZRvane-

lobda, saqarTvelos mTavrobam ratom-

Rac gadawyvita, rom sazRrebze unda

daeyenebinaT sazRvris maniSnebeli e.w.

qvakacebi. es `qvakacebi~ ZiriTadad sa-

qarTvelo-ruseTis sazRvarze daayenes.

mesazRvreebi amboben, rommaT kargad icodnen sad ga-

dioda es sazRvari, magramroca am `qvakacebis~ dadgma-ze daiwyes kompiuteriT danavigaciiT daiwyes muSaoba,centridan misdiodaT e.w.wertilebi, romlebic Cveniteritoriis siRrmeSi iyogadmoweuli, anu Cveni teri-toriebi ruseTs dautovesda sazRvari ufro SigniTgadmoswies, sadac Semdgomes maniSneblebi dadges. ru-sebs ki ar gadmouweviaTsazRvari, Tbilisidan, biwa-Zis uwyebidan midioda esbrZaneba, amas sruli pasu-xismgeblobiT vacxadeb.

Tu dainteresdebiT, Cven SegviZlia

vnaxoT, romel wels Catarda am maniS-

neblebis dadgma da vin xelmZRvanelob-

da maSin sazRvris dacvis departa-

ments. gamoricxulia mesazRvreebs Ta-

vianTi iniciativiT gadmoewiaT sazRva-

ri.

am `demarkaciis~ Sedegaddidi teritoriebi davkar-geT, istoriuli cixe-simag-reebi, maT Soris yadoris ci-xe (kaxeTi), romelsac didiistoriuli mniSvnelobahqonda sazRvris dacviskuTxiT.

es cixe gremidan kargad Cans

da aqauri mecixovneebi cecxlis

danTebiT atyobinebdnen grem-qa-

laqs, daRestnidan mtrisa Tu

moyvris gadmosvlas. nino bur-

janaZes, romelic maSin parla-

mentis Tavmjdomare gaxldaT,

ratomRac ar gauprotestebia

qarTuli miwebis gaCuqeba.

`Tavisufali zona~ ratomac

ar gamarTavs saprotesto aqci-

ebs prezidentis rezidenciasTan

gasagebia, magram Cemi azriT, es

aqciebi rezidenciasTan ki ara im

sasamarTlosTan da im procesis

dros unda gaimarTos, roca saa-

kaSvils, badri biwaZes da maTna-

irebs gaasamarTleben, romlebmac

yovelgvari omis gareSe gadaabares,

2007 wels es miwebi sxvebs gadaabares

da sazRvrebic Semouxazes. sxvaTa So-

ris, am sakiTxze nino burjanaZemac un-

da agos pasuxi, romelic maSin qveynis

meore piri iyo da protesti ar gamoT-

qva.

manana suxiSvili599 51 28 24

16 saerTo gazeTi #27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.

`saerTo gazeTis~ wina nomrebSi

gamoqveynebul masalas `ieso qris-

tem ukanaskneli sityvebi qaldeur

anu winareqarTul enaze warmo-

sTva~ axalcixidan vasil obo-laSvili gamoexmaura da sakuTa-

ri mosazrebebis gaziareba gvTxova:

noes modgma gadarCeba...

_ arameuli RvTisSvilobasTa-

naa dakavSirebuli. arameulSi anba-

nuri jami 150 an 153-ia. r-n _ 150

– anu es niSnavs saxeldid modgmas.

asergasis sami _ anu gnr _ es niS-

navs mamis saxeldid modgmas. aqedan

modis gamoTqma aran qarTvelebi.

xSirad 150, 153 bibliaSia gamoye-

nebuli. magaliTad _ qari 150 dRe

iyo amovardnili. amiT xazgasmulia

Semdegi _ RvTisSvilebma ufali

rom daiviwyes, imitom mouvlina

gansacdeli, gadarCeba is, visac

ufali swams, anu noes modgma ga-

darCeba. es cifrebi, vimeoreb,

RvTisSvilobasTanaa dakavSirebuli.

arameuli ena RvTisSvilTa enaa,

aqedan gamomdinare qaldeuric. imi-

tom, rom arameuli da qaldeuri

enebi erTidaigivea, oRond maSin

enis gansxvaveba Semdegnairad xde-

boda. magaliTad, bevr mecniers Se-

vedavebi da vetyvi _ qaldea aris

qalaqi, romelic gzaTa gasayarze

mdebareobs. aq ori astronomiuli

skolaa _ orqena da borsippeni, er-

Ti sxva meTodiT axdens varskvla-

vebze da caze dakvirvebas, meore _

sxva meTodiT da mere Sedegebs ada-

reben. sainteresoa is, rom yvela

dakvirvebis Cawera lursmulad

keTdeba da Semdeg xdeba anbanur

teqstSi gadatana. ase rom, qalde-

uri da arameuli erTi da igive

enaa, magram ori sxvadasxva skolis

mier Sedgenili teqstebiT, orives

erTi bazisi aqvs. qaldeursac da

arameulsac _ suyvelas erTi baza,

erTi anbani, 38 asoiani aqvs. gansx-

vaveba mxolod imaSia, romelma

skolam Seadgina esa Tu is sityva.

ratom cdilobda mteri

vazis ganadgurebas?!

batoni petre qoCakiZe ambobs,

rom ufalma ukanaskneli sityvebi

qaldeur enaze warmosTqva. arameu-

lic da qaldeuric RvTisSvilTa

enaa. Tavad sityva aram (r.n.) _

RvTisSvilobas niSnavs. qaldeuri

_ aseve RvTisSvilTa enaa. isini

sxvadasxva enaze ar laparakobdnen,

magram dRes undaT Tqvan, rom

sxvadasxva enaa, amaSia saqme. sity-

vis Sedgena etapebs gadioda: mov-

lenaze dakvirveba, maTematikuri

modelis Seqmna (sityva), eqsperti-

za ( manamde arsebul dogmebs ar

unda SeewinaaRmdegos), xmarebaSi

gaSveba ( sxva skolebisTvis gacno-

ba). aqve kidev erTi saintereso ram

minda giamboT: RvTisSvilebis cxov-

reba mcenareebSi vazs hgavs. yurZ-

nis dawurva modgmis movaleobad

iTvleba, romlis fesvi winaparia,

tani (samamule rqa), saWirnaxule

rqa, romelic tanTan erTad mtki-

ced dgas fesvebze da misgan sazr-

doobs; nayofi _ yurZenia, romelic

patrons miaqvs; tariggeba (uflis-

Tvis mirTmeva) Rvinoa (yurZnis na-

Juri), romliTac adideben ufals

da ufalTan ziareba xdeba. amito-

mac iyo, rom mteri vazis amogdebas

cdilobda, radgan Tu vazi ar iq-

neboda, arc Rvino iqneboda da Se-

sabamisad, arc ziareba. Sinaur cxo-

velebSi RvTisSvilebis cxovreba

Txas hgavs. Txa (aran, arve) faris

winamZRolia, ZaRli (Tar) faris

patronia, gareul cxovelebSi mge-

li (geli) euli, muxlmagari, go-

nieri, gamravlebis ufleba aqvs

(colis yolis); Tevzebidan esaa

loqo, romelic zRvamde Cadis da

mdinaris SesarTavTan binadrobs,

xolo qviriTobis dros mdinaris

saTaveebs ubrundeba, sadac TviTon

gaCnda, anu esaa nostalgia. amito-

macaa Zveli saflavis qvebi ulvaSi-

ani Tevzis (loqos) saxiT gvxvde-

ba.

rac Seexeba iesos ukanasknel

sityvebs _ eli, eli, lam sabaqTan.

es niSnavs _ nugeSismcemelo, nuge-

Sismcemelo, nu xar dafarulSi.

eli _ nugeSismcemelia, es anbani-

dan gamomdinarea. yvela asos Tavis

datvirTva aqvs, yvela xmovans Se-

sabamisi Tanxmovani aqvs. el (p=17),

rac nugeSiscemas niSnavs. Tu vinaa

nugeSismcemeli, amas sabaqTan _ sa-

ba _ bas-i amowmebs, anu wminda mTa.

TavisTavad cxadia, rom nugeSismce-

meli aq ufalia. sabaqTan... _ bas

plus anaTeb (eb = q), es niSnavs

ufalo gaminaTe. im dros roca

ufalma suli ganuteva wyvdiadi

iyo. sabaqTan-s bolodan rom wai-

kiTxav gamodis _ anaTeb wmindao _

dafarulSi myofo nugeSismcemelo,

gaminaTeo, ar mimatovoo da marT-

lac mTvare amovida.

ramdeni oreuli

gaaCnia adamians

da ra moxda

26 saukunis winaT?

aq kidev erTi saintereso mo-

mentia, sxva anbanebze ar gvisaubria.

qarTuli anbani sakmaod Zvelia.

qarTul anbanSi Cadebulia adamiani

da misi oreulebi. ra oreulebi ga-

aCnia adamians? _ esenia gvami, qva-

kaci (Zegli), saxeli da suli. anu

adamians oTxi oreuli gaaCnia. fi-

losofiurad rac hgoniaT, rom eg-

viptelebisaa, sinamdvileSi aqedan

iqeT waiRes. weRan Segnebulad vi-

kiTxe, ra aris htaxi-meTqi. CvenTan

es sityva me-10 saukunemde ixsenie-

boda, italiaSi ixsenieboda es sa-

locavi _ htaxi. imitom, rom et-

ruskebi xeTebi arian. mTavari isaa,

26 saukunis win ra moxda. ratom

aris, ra mizezia, rom nabuqodono-

sori bibliaSi zogan Zalian cud

pirovnebad, zogan Cveulebriv ada-

mianadaa gamoyvanili? _ saidumlo

swored amaSia. sityva `magi~ Tqven-

Tvis ras niSnavs? _ es aris RvTis-

msaxurTa gvari, romlebic iyvnen

midiaSi da babilonSi. gadasaxade-

bis akrefa eklesiebSi xdeba. fuli

rom aikrifeba, es saxelmwifosa da

eklesias Soris 50/50-ze nawilde-

ba. eklesia valdebulia meurneobis

sawarmoeblad daxarjos Tanxa. me-

fes, romelsac Tavis wili miaqvs,

jaris da Tavis Sesanaxad iyenebs

Tanxas. eklesias ufro meti Tanxa

aqvs. isini ise gamdidrdnen, rom me-

feebis TavianT Wkuaze TamaSi moin-

domes da Cvens welT aRricxvamde

550 wels SeTqmuleba moawyves.

swored am 550 wels babilonis me-

fem mTavari magi dasaja, anu

vTqvaT, gvaris mTavari. mas Tavi

mohkveTa. roca danarCenma magebma

SeamCnies, rom maTac igive bedi

elodaT, SeTqmuleba moawyves da

didi fuli Sekribes, raTa sxva me-

fe daesvaT _ kaci, romelic maT

Wkuaze iTamaSebda. aseTi pirovneba

farsTa mefe aRmoCnda. Tu ar gve-

codineba vin arian midielebi, ver

mivxvdebiT dRes saqme visTan gvaqvs.

midiaSi igulisxmeba qveyana, rome-

lic medeam daaarsa. roca medea sa-

berZneTidan wamovida, igi dRevan-

del saqarTvelos teritoriaze ar

dabrunebula, igi midias terito-

riaze dabrunda, meored gaTxovda,

Svilebi eyola da midias saxiT sa-

xelmwifo Seqmna, sadac mamaRmerTia

mTavari. midias emorCileba farse-

bic, sparsebic da midielebic. im

dros ar arsebobda sparsuli dam-

werloba, yvela sameurneo dokumen-

ti qaldeur enaze dgeboda. ratom

gamohyavT maincdamainc me-3 saukune-

Si medea Svilebis mkvleli da ara

mTeli 9 saukunis Semdeg? bibliis

povnac am periods emTxveva. saqme

isaa, es me-6-me-7 saukunemde rom

gaekeTebinaT, RvTisSvilebi maT ar

apatiebdnen. maSin Tavad isini iyv-

nen mmarTvelebi da berZnebs faqte-

bis gamrudebaSi dasjidnen. RvTisS-

vilebi msoflio mmarTveli elita

iyo Zv.w VIIs. Semdeg isini masobri-

vad amoxoces, mcire nawili darCa

da danarCenebSi gaiTqvifnen. kidev

erTi sayuradRebo momenti _ egvip-

tis macxovreblebi memfiss iciT

ras eZaxian? _ xaT-ka-ptax, rac

niSnavs _ xaTidan movida macne da

salocavi ptaxi moitana. ptaxs Tu

davukvirdebiT, es niSnavs _ xatad

uflis (nugeSismcemeli). es mama

RmerTis salocavia egvipteSi. amas

xom versad gaeqcevian. evropul

literaturaSi aris sityva miTra

_ es isev RvTisSvilobasTan kav-

SirSia. miTras odnav Sevabruneb da

miviRebT n.T.r-s, rac yvela lite-

raturaSi, Zvel osmalurSic fics

niSnavs. anu miTras roca vambobT,

aq gvirgvins vgulisxmobT da mis

qveS ficiT SekavSirebulobas.

ufali da planetebis

moZraoba

wminda ninom kerpebi daamsxv-

riao, xom vambobT. es kerpebi iyo

gac, ga da armazi. gac niSnavs ore-

uls. weRan ptaxSi rac vaxsene. igu-

lisxmeba, rom yvela adamiani Tavis

winapris ganmeorebaa. gac _ winapa-

ria (mfarveli angelozi), anu gac

_ RvTisSvilebia, isini visi oreu-

lebic Cven varT. ga _ aris mama-

RmerTi (daviwyebulia) da armazi _

aris Ze RmerTi (mTvare). imitom am-

boben qristeze _ Ze RvTisa, Ze ka-

cisa. armazic anbanuri jamia erTi-

dan 38-mde. ga (741) _ mTas niSnavs,

romelSic igulisxmeba ufali –

mTa _ mebrZoli, mTa _ xegrZeli.

mTa _ mebrZoli, anu sadac ibrZo-

di. RvTisSvilebi zogan brZoliT

Sediodnen, zogan WkuiT. saxarebaSi

weria, rom mamis pativiscema dai-

viwyes da qriste imitom movida.

yvela sxvadasxva fuZis angelozebs

da planetebs scems pativs. uflis

bunebas rom CavwvdeT, planetebis

moZraoba da misi buneba unda vico-

deT. pirveli ca mTvarisaa, meore _

venera, mesame _ merkuri, meoTxe _

mze, mexuTe _ marsi, meeqvse _ iupi-

teri, meSvide _ saturni. adamianis

goneba mxolod meSvide camde

swvdeba. merve ca _ varskvlavebsa

da mecxre _ angelozebis.

ratom ar aqvT

berZnebs v da J aso?

berZnebs anbabSi v da J aso anu

6 da 90 amogdebuli aqvT. ratom?

_ v droisa da sivrcis aRricxvas-

Tan kavSirSia _ meeqvse planeta _

iupitersa da mTvarezea drois aR-

ricxva Cabarebuli. radgan berZnebi

dabnelebebis kanonzomierebas ar

cnoben, maT es J asoc ar sWirde-

baT. filosofiurad Tqves kidec _

yvelaferi SemTxveviT xdebao. aqe-

dan gaCnda filosofiaSi aucileb-

lobisa da SemTxveviTobis princi-

pi. 18 weli erT adgilze rom vid-

ge erTxel mainc moxdeba dabnele-

ba, anu kanonzomiereba iTqva, rom-

lis gamocnobac mxolod RvTisSvi-

lebma ician, sxva xalxebSi es ar

aris. amitomac ar aqvT J-asoc.

dRes Cvens filologebs hgoniaT J

aso qarTuli fenomeni araa. maT ar

ician, ra dgas J asos ukan _ anu

mis ukan RvTisSviloba, misi mecni-

eruli codna dgas, romelTac ici-

an, rom dafaruli unda gamJRavn-

des. berZnebma ar ician, dafaruli

rogor unda gamJRavndes, amitom ar

sWirdebaT J aso.

weRan vaxsene, kirosma ezra ga-

mouSva da axali kastis Seqmna da-

avala, romelsac dRes ebraelebs

veZaxiT. ebraelebi ar arian erTi

mono eri, es ufro sarwmunoebaa,

romlebmac RvTisSvilobidan bevri

sawyisi aiRes da TavianT koncefci-

as moarges. aq erTi saintereso de-

talia. vin arian es sadukevelebi,

romlebic ezras Tan gamohyvnen?

esaa mcire kasta, romelTac didi

fuli da Zalaufleba gaaCndaT. imi-

tom, rom farsTa mefeebs aRar

sWirdebodaT TavianT teritoriaze

`amrevebi~. isini gamouSves, fulic

misces da uTxres _ wadiT, rac

gindaT gaakeTeT, Cvens teritoria-

ze Tavi dagvanebeTo, esaa maTi kon-

cefcia.

yrma niSnavs _ y-r=8-s, me-8

dRes xdeba dawindva, me-40 dRes

mihyavT eklesiaSi, Tan anbanuri ja-

mia 741. xaTe aris isev anbanis ja-

mi _ 59 995. amitomacaa rom zo-

gadi saxeli am RvTisSvilebis xa-

Tea. megrulSi dResac stumari ro-

ca midis _ xaTe movidao _ amboben.

anu es niSnavs RvTisSvili (uflis

kaci) movidao. aqve erTsac getyviT,

egviptis faraonTa XII dinastiis

fuZemdebelia amenem xeTi. igi WeS-

maritad xaTidanaa _ uflis win

mdgomi. amene amin-s niSnavs.

apokalifsi

dawyebulia da

3200 wels gagrZeldeba

bunebaSi yvelaferi kanonzomie-

rad xdeba. periodulad, planetebi

garkveuli kanonzomierebiT eklip-

tikaze buniobis wertilis maxlob-

lobaSi unda ganlagdnen. anu roca

isini erT xazzea ganlagebuli, am

dros tolqmedebi an umciresia an

udidesi. or ukiduresobaSi xvdeba

rogorc miwisZvrebi, ise warRvna.

amas 1200-wliani cikli gaaCnia.

martivad vityvi, warRvna Zv.w. da-

axloebiT, 2800 wels moxda. 2400

wlis Semdeg quji da farnavazi

qmnian saqarTvelos erTian iberi-

ul-kavkasiur saxls. am periodSi

ukve RvTisSviloba sxvagan yvelgan

daviwyebulia da marto am areal-

Sia. gadmovideT kidev 1200 wliT

adre, me-8-me-9 saukunis mijnaze _

bagrationebi iwyeben isev axali sa-

xelmwifos Seqmnas. gadmovideT isev

1200 weli _ dadga mijna. is rom

apokalifsia mosuli, sxvanairadac

SeiZleba vTqvaT, qriste saflavSi

15 saaTi da 48 wuTi iyo. 89-e

fsalmunSi weria _ uflisTvis

1000 welia erTi dRe da Ramis me-

samedi, anu 1 saaTi daaxloebiT 125

welia (ufro zustad 128,2w.). 125

weli, es igive buniobis erTi dRiT

gadawevaa. 15 saaTi da 48 wuTi. am

normas Tu gamoviyenebT, wesiT apo-

kalifsi 2008 wels, xarebas da-

iwyo da daaxloebiT, 3200 dRe

gagrZeldeba, anu 2017 wels, wyal-

kurTxevas dasruldeba. aqve unda

aRiniSnos isic, rom am wlis 13

marts eSmaki ukve CamovagdeT.

moamzada Tamar SveliZem555 23 28 24

apokalifsi, 2008 wels

xarebis dRes daiwyo

da 2017 wlis ianvarSi

wyalkurTxevisas dasruldeba!

17saerTo gazeTi#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.

soWis olimpiadis mimdinareo-

bisas, nebismieri onlain-kkontaqti

da qselSi nebismier moqmedeba

qveynis specsamsaxurebisTvis maq-

simalurad gamWvirvale iqneba _

aseTia Jurnalisturi gamoZiebis

Sedegi. TamaSebis usafrTxoebaze

pasuxismgebelia usafrTxoebis fe-

deraluri samsaxuris kontrdaz-

vervis ufrosi oleg siromolo-

tovi da Sesabamisad, provaiderebi

TiTis wverebze dadian. dasavluri

media gaocebas ver malavs `olim-

piuri korufciis~ gamo da imiTac,

rom jer arc erTi saxelmwifo

moxele ar dausjiaT.

terorizmis safrTxe da krem-

lis paranoia ruseTis specsamsa-

xurebis xelmZRvanelebs aiZulebs,

mosmenebis uprecedento sistema

Seqmnan, amtkiceben The Guardian-Si dabeWdil werilSi andrei

soldatovi, irina borogani da

Son uokeri. swored soldatovma

da boroganma CitizenLab da

Privacy International-Tan erTad

Caatares Jurnalisturi gamoZieba.

soWis olimpiadis usafrToe-

bis uzrunvelsayofad, efesbe-s

kontrdazvervis ufrosad oleg

siromolotovi jer kidev 2010

wels daniSnes. es qvedanayofi

arasodes yofila dakavebuli kon-

trteroristuli saqmianobiT _

mxolod `ucxoel jaSuSebze na-

dirobda~.

efesbe-s uwinaresad kibersaf-

rTxeebi aSfoTebs, amitomac

COMP-is (operatiul-samZebro

RonisZiebebis funqciebis uzrun-

velsayofi teqnikuri saSualebe-

bis sistema) modernizacias cdi-

loben. es aris informaciis mo-

xelTebis ZiriTadi rusuli sis-

tema. Ðîñêîìíàäçîð-is Sesyidvebi-sa da tenderebis dokumentebiT

Tu vimsjelebT, ruseTis xeli-

sufleba maqsimalurad Tvalyurs

adevnebs, ramdenad Seesabameba

standartebs soWis raionSi da-

montaJebuli COMP-is mowyobi-

loba. adgilobrivi ramdenime in-

ternet-provaideri ukve daajari-

mes kidec imis gamo, rom maT am

sistemisTvis gankuTvnili efesbe-

s rekomendaciiT SeTavazebuli da-

nadgari `omega~ droulad ar daa-

montaJes.

zafxulSi Ðîñòåëåêîì-ma so-Wis midamoebSi aamuSava mobiluri

qseli 4G LTE, romelic olimpi-

adebis istoriaSi Wi-Fi-ze yvela-

ze swraf wvdomas uzrunvelyofs.

damatebiTi teqnikuri saSualebebi

efesbe-s saSualebas aZlevs, Tva-

li gaadevnos mTliani informaci-

is moZraobas da imavdroulad ga-

filtros kidec igi.

gamocema aRniSnavs: soWis

stumrebs, rogorc Cans, tyuilad

aqvT imis imedi, rom maT informa-

cias udidesi kompaniebis daSifv-

ris Tanamedrove meTodebiT daica-

ven. rogorc gairkva, ruseTis kav-

Sirgabmulobis saministros axali

wesebis Tanaxmad, internet-prova-

iderebisTvis dawesda COMP-isaxal wesebi; maT Soris moxsenie-

bulia dasavleTSi ganTavsebuli

iseTi didi serverebi, rogorebic

aris Gmail da Yahoo.sportsmenebi da maTi gulSe-

matkivrebi, TamaSebis istoriaSi

pirvelad, TvalTvalis yvelaze

agresiul da meTodur sistemas

SeeCexebian, wers Son uokeri TheGuardian-Si dabeWdil sxva we-

rilSi. saxelmwifo Sesyidvebisa

da ruseTis sameTvalyureo uwye-

bebis veb-gverdebze ganTavsebuli

dokumentaciiT, soWis raioni sa-

telefono da usadeno kavSiris

iseTi sistemebiT aris aRWurvili,

romlebsac informaciis mopovebis

usazRvro SesaZlebloba gaaCnia.

torontos universitetis am

dargis specialistebi ganmartaven,

rom rusuli da amerikuli siste-

mebis masStabi Tavsebadia, Tumca

maT regulirebaSi mniSvnelovani

gansxvavebaa.

kanonis Tanaxmad, ruseTSi

moqmedi yvela fiWuri operatori

da internet-provaideri valdebu-

lia, daamontaJos COMP-ismowyobiloba, rac efesbe-s mis-

cems saSualebas, moisminos nebis-

mieri satelefono saubari da kav-

Siris nebismieri seansi da amis

Sesaxeb momsaxurebis mimwodebels

ar acnobos.

efesbe-Si uaryofen informaci-

as soWis TamaSebze usafrTxoebis

uzrunvelsayofad dagegmili mo-

Warbebuli zomebis Sesaxeb da ma-

galiTad mohyavT londonis olim-

piada: `quCebi, sazogadoebrivi Tav-

Seyris adgilebi, tualetebic ki,

videoTvalis kamerebiT iyo savse.

CvenTvis es gza miuRebelia~.

`2014 wlis zamTris olimpia-

dis mizania qalaq soWis aRorZi-

neba da ucxoeTSi ruseTis imijis

gaumjobeseba, agreTve putinis Zi-

riTadi memkvidreobis warmoCena~,

_ vkiTxulobT The Independent-Si. olimpiuri CiraRdani moskov-

Si agizgizda, magram yovlismomc-

veli korufcia da muSaTa ufle-

bebis darRvevebi Crdils ayenebs

soWis TamaSebs.

seqs-umciresobebis uflebaTa

damcvelebi soWSi gei-aRlumis ga-

marTvas olimpiadis gaxsnis dRes

gegmaven. gamocema aqveynebs HumanRights-is monacemebsac, romlebic

`soWiSi migranti muSebis masob-

riv alyaSi moqcevas~ exeba. gaze-

Tis korespondenti did yuradRe-

bas uTmobs olimpiuri mSeneblo-

bis danaxarjebs da Tanamdebobisa

da viTarebis borotad gamoyenebas.

`mSeneblobis uxarisxoba da

sul ufro mzardi xarji zians

ayenebs olimpiur infrastruqtu-

ras. saTxilamuro tramplini ram-

denjerme gadaakeTes da misi fasi

25 milioni girvanqa sterlingi-

dan 165 milionamde gaizarda~, _

wers avtori. aseTive mdgomareo-

baa rkinigzaze, romelic sanapiro-

ze da mTaSi ganlagebul raionebs

erTmaneTs ukavSirebs _ misi xar-

ji 1,8 miliardidan 5,2 miliard

sterlingamde gaizarda. es ufro

metia, vidre mTvaremaval Curio-sity-ze daxarjuli Tanxa.

ruseTsa da evropul struqturebs Soris daZa-

buloba matulobs. ruseTi winaaRmdegia, rom `aRmo-

savleTis partniorobis~ qveynebma (saqarTvelom,

somxeTma, ukrainam da moldovam) xeli moaweron ev-

rokavSirTan asocirebis xelSekrulebas da cdi-

lobs, xeli SeuSalos evropasTan maT daaxloebas.

kremli imuqreba, rom gaarTulebs energoSemcvele-

bis miwodebas, winaaRmdegobas uwevs saqonelbrun-

vas; magaliTad, embargo daawesa moldovur Rvinoze,

axla baltiispireTis respublikebidan ruseTSi Se-

tanil rZis produqcias iwunebs, rom araferi

vTqvaT saqarTvelosTvis dawesebul mravalwlian

embargoze, romelic sul ramdenime Tvea, nawilob-

riv moixsna.

garda amisa, ruseTi arTulebs im qveynebis moq-

laqeTa SromiT mowyobas, romlebic evrokavSirTan

daaxloebas eswrafvian. evropa CarTulia am proces-

Si da Tavis pozicias sxvadasxva politikuri do-

kumentiT gamoxatavs: es SeiZleba iyos evroparla-

mentis rezoluciebi, romlebSic moskovs sxva qvey-

nebze zemoqmedebis gamo kicxaven, agreTve evrokav-

Siris gafarToebisa da keTilmezoblobis politi-

kis sakiTxebSi evrokomisar Stefan fules an evro-

puli diplomatiis meTaur qeTrin eStonis mkacri

gamosvlebi. sityvebs Sesabamisi nabijebi unda mohy-

ves. evrokavSirma ukve ganacxada, rom Tavis bazar-

ze dauSvebs moldovur Rvinos, razec ruseTma uari

ganacxada, agreTve, yvelafers gaakeTebs imisTvis,

rom ukrainasa da moldovas sawvavi evropisTvis

gankuTvnili gazsadenidan miewodos.

adre ruseTs SeeZlo, gadaeketa navTobis an ga-

zis onkani, evropis saxelmwifoebi ki metismet sif-

rTxiles iCendnen da mkafiod ar gamoxatavdnen Ta-

vianT pozicias. axla ki, TiTqos viTarebis gamwva-

vebasac ar eridebian.

amis mizezi is aris, rom evropa ukeT Cawvda ru-

sul politikas. garda amisa, ruseTsa da briusels

bevri sakamaTo sakiTxi daugrovdaT (adamianis uf-

lebebis dacva, arakomerciuli organizaciebis mdgo-

mareoba, energetikasTan dakavSirebuli araerTi Te-

ma) da evrokavSiri am konfliqtis mxarea da ara

mxolod damkvirvebeli. ruseTi `aRmosavleTis par-

tniorobis~ qveynebs ar Tmobs da amitomac evropam

moqmedebis sxva taqtika airCia. ruseTis mimarT mim-

tevebluri damokidebuleba Seicvala, radgan mosko-

vis politika ufro agresiuli gaxda.

evropa rusul energoresursebze sul ufro

naklebad damokidebuli xdeba. evrokav-

Siris qveynebi axal wyaroebs eZeben da

pouloben kidec, aqtiurad aviTareben

energetikis alternatiul saSualebebs.

dasavleTsa da ruseTs Soris konf-

liqtis pirvelxarisxovani veli axla

siriaa. Tu ruseTis pozicia ar Seicv-

leba, moskovsa da briusels Soris `ci-

vi omi~ kidev ufro gaZlierdeba.

aisaxeba Tu ara es omi noemberSi

vilniusSi dagegmil `aRmosavleTis par-

tniorobis~ samitze, romelsac didi

imediT Sehyureben saqarTvelo, ukraina,

moldova, somxeTi?

aSkarad Cans, rom `aRmosavleTis partniorobis~

programaSi gaCnda ori jgufi: pirveli evrokavSi-

ris gzas adgas _ esenia, saqarTvelo, moldova da

ukraina, da meore, romelic Sordeba mas _ azerba-

ijani, somxeTi da belorusi.

evrokavSiris yuradRebis centrSia pirvel

jgufSi Semavali qveynebi, romlebsac am programis

gansaxorcieleblad aucilebeli saSualebebis did

nawils moaxmars, xolo sxva qveynebi am etapze yu-

radRebis miRma darCebian.

savaraudod, somxeTi evrokavSirTan parafirebis

xelSekrulebas veRar SeZlebs, radgan man ruseTTan

sabaJo kavSiri amjobina. ruseTi ukrainaze zemoqme-

debas aZlierebs, rac evrokavSiris mxridan ukuqme-

debas badebs, amitomac ukraina-evrokavSirs Soris

SeTanxmebas xeli moewereba. rac Seexeba saqarTve-

los, vilniusis samitze evrokavSirTan parafirebis

SeTanxmebas unda velodoT.

am dReebSi strasburgis ada-

mianis uflebebis sasamarTlo

apirebs, gamoaqveynos saboloo

gadawyvetileba 2006 wels ru-

seTidan qarTvelebis deportaci-

is Sesaxeb. Tu sa-

samarTlo saqarT-

velos sasargeblo

verdiqts gamoi-

tans, maSin es iqne-

ba iribi pasuxi

ruseTis `mcocav

aneqsiaze~. swored

ase moixsenieben sa-

qarTveloSi im

process, romlis

drosac ruseTis

mesazRvreebi samx-

reT oseTis sazRvars mavTulx-

larTebiT SemosazRvraven.

iqneb saqarTvelom amjerad

mainc mougos ruseTs, erTgvarad

Suri iZios kidec masze.

saqarTvelos iusticiis mi-

nistri Tea wulukiani, romelic

strasburgis sasamarTloSi sxva-

dasxva Tanamdebobaze aTi wlis

ganmavlobaSi muSaobda, axlaxan

strasburgs ewvia da piradad da-

interesda qarTvelTa deporta-

ciis sakiTxiT. misi TqmiT, adami-

anis uflebebis sasamarTlos am

TemasTan dakavSirebuli yvelana-

iri dokumentacia gaaCnia. minis-

tris naTqvamSi optimizmis gan-

wyoba igrZnoba.

2006 wels moskovma arale-

galurad mcxovreb qarTvelTa

deportacia moaxdina. es iyo sa-

pasuxo reaqcia Tbilisis qmede-

baze, roca saqarTvelos teri-

toriaze myofi ruseTis oTxi

oficeri jaSuSobis braldebiT

daakaves. skandali gamZafrda, ris

Sedegadac saqarTvelos daaxlo-

ebiT 3 aTasi moqalaqe iZulebu-

li gaxda, ruseTi daetovebina.

saqarTveloSi Seiqmna specialu-

ri komisia, romelic am sakiTxis

mogvarebiT dakavda. deportire-

buli moqalaqeebi dahkiTxes da

Tavmoyrili masala strasburgis

adamianis uflebebis sasamarT-

los gaugzavnes. ruseTis mxaris

gancxadebiT, es saCivari ar SeiZ-

leba iyos legitimuri, radgan

saqarTvelos moqalaqeebi valde-

buli arian, TavianTi deportacia

ruseTis sasamarTloSi gaasaCiv-

ron.

ruseTis ukmayofilebis miu-

xedavad, strasburgSi pirveli

mosmena 2011 wels gaimarTa. ax-

la konfliqtis orive mxare ver-

diqtis molodinSia. saqarTve-

los xelisufleba darwmunebu-

lia gamarjvebaSi, ris Semdegac

apirebs, moskovs materialuri

kompensacia mosTxovos.

bevri analitikosis mosazre-

biT, es gamarjveba, uwinaresad,

saqarTvelos xelisuflebas im

TvalsazrisiT sWirdeba, rom igi

SesaZloa, or qveyanas Soris ga-

Wianurebul warumatebel urTi-

erTobaSi pirveli aRmoCndes.

moamzada g. WavWavaZem.

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saqarTvelos cdilobs, ruseTs evropul

sasamarTloSi mainc mougos

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19saerTo gazeTi#27 (261), 9-15.X, 2013 w.

`saerTo gazeTis~ mkiTxvel-

Ta SekiTxvebs pasuxobs gazeTis

iuridiuli konsultanti, ad-

vokati

mTvarisa kevliSvili.

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* * *

_ ras niSnavs diskreciuli

uflebamosileba?

_ es gaxlavT uflebamosile-

ba, romelic administraciul or-

ganos an Tanamdebobis pirs aniWebs

Tavisuflebas sajaro da kerZo

interesebis dacvis safuZvelze

kanonmdeblobis Sesabamisi ramde-

nime gadawyvetilebidan SearCios

yvelaze misaRebi gadawyvetileba.

* * *

_ administraciuli organos

zepiri dapireba aris Tu ara sa-

valdebulod Sesasrulebeli?

_ kiTxva cota gaugebaria.

aseTi saxis dapireba ar arsebobs.

administraciuli dapireba

aris administraciuli organos

werilobiTi dokumenti, romel-

ic adasturebs, rom mocemuli

qmedeba ganxorcieldeba, rac Se-

iZleba gaxdes dainteresebuli

mxaris kanonieri ndobis safuZ-

veli.administraciuli organos

dapirebis kanonieri ndoba ar

SeiZleba arsebobdes, Tu:

a) mas safuZvlad udevs ad-

ministraciuli organos kanonsa-

winaaRmdego dapireba;

b) Sesabamisi normatiuli aq-

tis Secvlis gamo piri veRar

akmayofilebs dawesebul moTxo-

vnebs;

g) mas safuZvlad udevs da-

interesebuli mxaris ukanono

moqmedeba.

* * *

_ Cemi Svili da rZali gan-

qorwindnen. amJamad maT Soris

dava mimdinareobs imis Sesaxeb,

Tu visTan unda icxovron maTma

arasrulwlovanma Svilebma. ra

SeiZleba moxdes samarTlebri-

vad?

- saqarTvelos samoqalaqo

kodeqsis 1201-e muxlis 1-li na-

wilis mixedviT,Tu ganqorwine-

bis gamo an sxva mizeziT mSob-

lebi cal-calke cxovroben, maT

SeTanxmebazea damokidebuli, Tu

vis eqneba ufleba gadawyvitos,

visTan unda cxovrobdes aras-

rulwlovani Svili.

amave muxlis me-2 nawilis

mixedviT,SeuTanxmeblobis Sem-

TxvevaSi davas imis Taobaze, Tu

visTan unda cxovrobdes aras-

rulwlovani Svili, wyvets sa-

samarTlo bavSvis interesis

gaTvaliswinebiT. am SemTxvevaSi

mSoblis ufleba, iyos bavSvis

warmomadgeneli sasamarTlo da-

vasTan mimarTbiT, SeCerebulia.

meurveobisa da mzrunvelobis

organo niSnavs bavSvis warmo-

madgenels, romelic saqmis sasa-

marTlo ganxilvis dros bavSvis

interesebs warmoadgens.

* * *

_ dedas qmris ojaxma bavSvi

waarTva da naxvis saSualebas ar

aZlevs. rogor moviqceT?

_ Tqven SegiZliaT mimarToT

sasamarTlos da sarCeliT mo-

iTxovoT, rom bavSvis sacxovre-

bel adgilad ganisazRvros Tqve-

ni sacxovrebeli misamarTi. sanam

es moxdeba, Tqven SegiZliaT,

aseve, mimarToT gancxadebiT sa-

samarTlos, gangisazRvroT bavS-

vis naxvis dReebi da saaTebi. sa-

varaudod, aRniSnuli sakiTxis

daregulireba sasamarTlos mier

moxdeba bavSvis mamasTan SeTan-

xmebiT.

* * *

_ var pirveli jgufis in-

validi. meuRles surs CemTan

ganqorwineba. vrCebi ulukmapu-

rod. me muSaoba ar SemiZlia.

mSoblebic gardacvlili myavs.

Cemi erTaderTi marCenali iyo

meuRle. ris gakeTeba SemiZlia

samarTlebrivad? ras mirCevT?

_ saqarTvelos samoqalaqo

kanonmdebloba aseZT SemTxvevaSi

Tqven ganiWebT meuRlisagan sar-

Cos moTxovnis uflebas. kerZod;

saqarTvelos samoqalaqo ko-

deqsis 1129-e muxlis mixedviT,

im meuRlis TxovniT, romelsac

ufleba aqvs, miiRos sarCo meo-

re meuRlisagan, sasamarTlo va-

ldebulia, ganqorwinebis saqmis

gadawyvetasTan erTad gansazRv-

ros im saxsrebis odenoba, rac

unda gadaxdes meore meuRles.

Cemi, rogorc iuristis rCe-

vaa, es sakiTxi aucileblad da-

ayenoT Sesabamis SesagebelSi,

romelic warmoadgens Tqvebs pa-

suxs sarCelSi dayenebul moT-

xovnebaTan dakavSirebiT.

* * *

_ SeiZleba Tu ara sasamarT-

lo xarjebis gadavadeba an Sem-

cireba kanonis mixedviT?

_ SeiZleba. dagikonkretebT:

saqarTvelos samoqalaqo sap-

roceso kodeqsis 48-e muxlis

Sesabamisad, sasamarTlos, mxare-

Ta qonebrivi mdgomareobis gaT-

valiswinebiT, SeuZlia erT an

orive mxare gadauvados saxelm-

wifo biujetis sasargeblod sa-

samarTlo xarjebis gadaxda an

Seamciros maTi odenoba, Tu mxa-

re sasamarTlos warudgens

utyuar mtkicebulebebs.

* * *

-SSeiZleba Tu ara qonebrivi

dava ganixilos arbitraJma?

-SeiZleba. dagikonkretebT:

saqarTvelos samoqalaqo sap-

roceso kodeqsis me-12 muxlis

Sesabamisad, pirTa Tanasworoba-

ze damyarebuli kerZo xasiaTis

qonebrivi dava, romlis mowesri-

gebac mxareebs SeuZliaT erTma-

neTs Soris, mxareTa SeTanxme-

biT, SeiZleba gansaxilvelad ga-

daeces arbitraJs.

* * *

-vvis mier unda moxdes gan-

qorwinebis mowmobis gacemisas

baJis gadaxda?

- saqarTvelos samoqalaqo

kodeqsis 1131- muxlis mixedviT,

ganqorwinebis Sesaxeb gadawyve-

tilebis gamotanisas sasamarT-

lo gansazRvravs, Tu romelma

meuRlem unda gadaixados kano-

niT gansazRvruli baJi, aseve,

Tu saWirod miiCnevs, rom baJi

unda gadaxdes orive meuRles,

igi gansazRvravs TiToeuli me-

uRlis mier gadasaxdel Tanxas.

`saerTo gazeTis~ iuridiuli konsultacia

qalbatoni irma

sixaruliZe samedi-

cino dargis muSa-

kia, magram avadmyo-

febs saukuneebiT

gamocdili sagvare-

ulo wamal-malamo-

Ti mkurnalobs. igi

warmatebiT kurnavs:

o s t e o q o n d r o z s ,

poliarTrits, mwva-

ve radikulits, kis-

ris, mxris da menj-

barZayis muxl-saxs-

rebis arTrits; qveda kidurebis sisxlZarRv-

Ta Seviwroebas, e.w. marilebis dagrovebas

quslisa da terfis areSi, diskozs, samwvera

nervis anTebas, Sida qalis wnevas.

wamali mcenareulia da aranairi ukuCve-

neba ar aqvs.

nana TaTaraSvili: me erT-erTi imaTgani

var vinc sakuTar Tavze gamoscada es wamali.

saxsrebis autanel tkivils vgrZnobdi.

saxalxo mkural irma sixaruliZesTan. me-

aTe seansis Semdeg tkivili mTlianad gamiq-

ra, aRmidga Sromisunarianoba, gamiumjobes-

da sisxlis moZraoba.

qalbaton irmasTan ganikurna cnobili

msaxiobi leila abaSiZe, msoflio Cempioni

dito SaniZe, damsaxurebuli pedagogi nanu-

li meliqiSvili, reJisori lili jiqiZe, mwe-

rali merab SaTiri da sxva mravali.

dito SaniZe: yofili msoflio Cempioni

var mZleosnobaSi. axalgazrdobaSi ramde-

nime seriozuli travma miviRe. aTasgvari

mkurnalobiT Tavmobezrebuls gankurnebis

didi imedi ar mqonda. irma sixaruliZesTan

20-dRiani mkurnalobis Semdeg ki Sedegi aS-

kara iyo da mec vaRiare am wamlis Zala.

manana CxikviSvili: eqimebma damisves arT-

rozis anu koqsarTrozis sawyisi formis di-

agnozi. TxuTmetdRiani kursis Semdeg me,

faqtobrivad, ganvikurne. mTeli cxovreba

qalbatoni irmas madlieri viqnebi.

saxalxo mkurnali (mcenareuli panacea)

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oTxasi wlis winaT Cveni winaprebi iZu-

lebiT iqnen gadasaxlebulni iranSi, kerZod,

fereidanSi _ patara saqarTveloSi, sadac,

miuxedavad udidesi winaaRmdegobisa da ze-

wolisa, qarTvelebma SevZeliT erovnuli

TviTmyofadobisa da mSobliuri enis Senar-

Cuneba.

yoveli fereidnelis ocnebaa saqarTve-

loSi dabruneba da damkidreba, momavali Ta-

obebis qarTul, erovnul tradiciebze aRz-

rda. swored dRes dadga es nanatri dro,

Cven ojaxebiT davubrundiT Cvens mama-papur

samSoblo _ saqarTvelos, raTa Cvenma Svi-

lebma qarTul enaze miiRon ganaTleba da

qarTul tradiciebze aagon TavianTi momava-

li.

magram, Cvenda samwuxarod, movlenebi ise

ganviTarda, rom saqarTvelos parlamentis

mier iranis moqalaqeTa sabanko angariSebis

gayinvis Sesaxeb miRebulma kanonma udidesi

finansuri da moraluri dartyma mogvayena

saqarTveloSi dabrunebul fereidnel qarT-

velebs. xeli SegviSala zemoT aRniSnuli

miznebis miRwevaSi. Seqmnili situaciidan

gamomdinare, migvaCnia, rom Tqveni Tanadgoma

da daxmareba am sakiTxSi aris erTaderTi

pozitiuri gamosavali. Cven gvjera Tqveni

gulisxmierebisa da udidesi patriotizmis

da mogmarTavT, rogorc qarTveli eris ma-

mas, gulTan axlos miitanoT Cveni gasaWiri

da gagviwioT daxmareba aRniSnuli proble-

mis mogvarebaSi.

Rrma pativiscemiT,

fereidneli qarTvelebis saxeliT

a. baTuaSvili

saqarTvelos premier-ministrs b-n bbiiZZiinnaa iivvaanniiSSvviillss

saqarTveloSi dabrunebuli fereidneli qarTvelebis

g a n c x a d e b a

Tamaz fircxalavas gaxseneba

ukve 40 dRe gvaSorebs erTma-

neTs. TiTqmis 10 weli vebrZodiT

SenTan erTad ukurnebel sens.

bolos mainc maradisobam gaimar-

jva. udidesi tkivili da monat-

reba dagvitove. carielia saxli

Sens gareSe. axla vigrZeniT, rom

sarecels mijaWvulic ki avsebdi yvelafers.

gvenatrebi.

vevedrebiT ufals, Seni suli daamkvidros uf-

lis mier mitevebulTa Soris.

meuRle, da, Svilebi,

disSvilebi, SviliSvilebi.

ra daaSaves

artistebma?

kaxa kaxabriSvili (saqtelera-

diokorporaciis Tavmjdomaris moad-

gile, reJisori): skolis damTavrebis

Semdeg kinosareJisoro fakultetze

Sevitane sabuTebi. ar vicodi da Tur-

me im wels am fakultetze miReba ar

iyo. ras vizamdi, wamosvla davapire.

Teatraluris karebTan studenti da-

mawies: mobrundes, unda davelapara-

koTo. leqtorebma Cemi sabuTebi kidev

erTxel gadaaTvalieres: paraSutis-

ti, kalaTburTeli, frenburTeli,

kargi moswavle. msaxioboba ar gin-

dao? _ SemomTavazes. ara-meTqi, _ Se-

vicxade. Turme akaki xorava zis iq.

_ Svilo, ra dagiSaveT artisteb-

mao? da akaki rom davinaxe, sul gav-

Tavdi. niWi ar maqvs-meTqi, waviluR-

luRe. iqneb gecadao, _ miTxra. viRac

qalma CamCurCula: jarSi ar wagiyva-

neno. ase gadavwyvite msaxioboba. ga-

mocdaze vcdilobdi akaki xoravasT-

vis mimebaZa, xmas viboxebdi da ise

vkiTxulobdi: `hei, Tqven, aragvele-

bo~, davxoce xalxi siciliT. Cavaba-

re, magram me mainc sareJisoroze min-

doda gadasvla da erTxelac cxone-

bulma kukuri patariZem, marjaniSvi-

lis mowafem, didebulma reJisorma,

roca vkiTxe, ratom mimiReT samsaxi-

oboze, me xom msaxiobis niWi ar

maqvs-meTqi, miTxra: Svilo, Seni sabu-

Tebi rom vnaxeT, rom gagesaubreT,

mivxvdiT, Sennairi adamiani gamoadgeba

Teatrs, radgan Teatrs mxolod kar-

gi msaxiobi da reJisori ki ara, ga-

naTlebuli da Teatris moyvaruli

direqtoric sWirdebao. ase fiqrobd-

nen momavalze.

interviu micvalebulTan

vaxtang kobaiZe (redaqtori,komentatori, specialuri korespon-

denti): saxels da gvars ar vityvi,

erT Jurnalist gogonas daavales,

unda gaakeTo siuJeti elene axvledi-

anzeo. lamis mTeli televizia gada-

atriala, eZebda telefonis nomers,

rom daereka elene axvledianTan da

interviuze daeTanxmebina.

verikos nacnobi

taqsisti

kaxa kaxabriSvili (sxvadasxvadros saqarTvelos teleradiomauwye-

blobis redaqtori, korespondenti):erTma rusma Jurnalistma miTxra er-

Txel: ucnauri xalxi xarT. Camovedi,

rom siuJeti gavakeTo veriko anjafa-

riZeze. taqsis mZRols viTxari misa-

marTi. mimiyvana, iq ar cxovrobs, arc

aq, axla sxva misamarTze mivediT, arc

iq aris, davdivarT ase, davatareb am

taqsists, bolos mkiTxa: miTxariT,

vis eZebT, iqneb me vici misamarTio?!

veriko anjafariZes veZeb-meTqi. egre

geTqva, adamianoo, miTxra da mimiyvana

veriko anjafariZesTano.

stumrad erosisTan

kaxa kaxabriSvili: telefil-

mebis studiaSi xSirad gvstumrobda

erosi manjgalaZe. erTxel miTxra: ka-

xuna, oqro, Tu speqtakli ar maqvs an

repeticia, yovel saRamos 7 saaTidan

saxlSi varo. karebze gamouSvi erTi

grZeli da ori mokle zario. wavida

erosi da Teatrmcodne naTela arve-

laZe metaka: Sen ici, magan ra giTx-

ra? ara-meTqi. megobrad gaRiara, raki

saxlSi dagpatiJa, aucileblad midio.

meore dRes viyide Sampanuri, So-

koladis bambanerka da zustad 7 sa-

aTze davreke erTi grZeli da ori

mokle zari.

gaaRo kari.

_ vin dagibara? _ mkiTxa.

rom Sevcbi, gamiRima _ modi-modio

da saxlSi Semiyvana.

saxlSi iyvnen misi bavSvobis mego-

bari rezo tabiZe da msaxiobi viqtor

niniZe, erTobian, Wadraks TamaSoben

da karts.

_ sapatio stumari gvestumrao, _

uTxra erosim Tavis megobrebs da da-

iwyo sufris gaSla.

erosis tradiciuli sufra aseTi

iyo: moxarSuli tarani, Rom-Wadi,

farSi hqonda sul, Tavisi xeliT ake-

Tebda katlets, kitri da pamidori,

yveli, Cexuri ludi, viski.

me vzivar wynarad.

oTaxSi Semovida viqtor niniZe.

Semomxeda da maniSnebs, adeqi, adeqio.

Semovida erosi:

_ ra fexze damdgarxar, biWo, da-

jeqio.

davjeqi.

Semovida rezo tabiZe. erosim rom

ar gaigos, ise maniSnebs: adeqi, ade-

qio.

Semovida erosi.

_ dajeqi, biWoo.

sami-oTxjer ase, amayeneben eseni,

erosi damsvams. vifiqre, sasacilod

migdeben, aRar avdgebi axla, rac gin-

da miTxran-meTqi.

mSvenieri saRamo gamovida.

erosim gamomacila da wamosvlisas

wynarad miTxra: oqro, mag adgilas

aRar dajde, ra, Cemi adgiliao.

qarTvelebi

moskovSi

vaxtang kobaiZe: `monaniebis~

premieraze var moskovSi. sxvaTa So-

ris, `monanieba~ Cveni drois televi-

ziis dakveTiT aris gadaRebuli, es

telefilmia, Tumca Tavidan gaformda,

rogorc telespeqtakli, radgan te-

lespeqtakls sakavSiro cekas damtki-

ceba sWirdeboda. nugzar fofxaZem

aiRo Tavis Tavze..

mokled, `dom kinoSi~ var moskov-

Si. interviuebi unda aviRo premieris

Semdeg. Tengiz abulaZesTan, zeinab

bocvaZesTan da sxvebTan erTad vdga-

var, Jenia evtuSenko saubrobs aRfr-

Tovanebuli da ver vaxerxeb interviu

vTxovo. amasobaSi kiril lavrovi da-

vinaxe, udidesi msaxiobi. mivvardi

lavrovs. gacecxlebuli saxe aqvs da

meubneba: at vas nesiot i vaniaet. at

kavo-meTqi, vkiTxe. ar damaviwydeba: at

vaso. at vas toJe nesiot, zavistiu i

Sovinizmom-meTqi. am dros evtuSenkom

Camavlo xeli da iseTi interviu mom-

ca, araCveulebrivi. es Canaweri radi-

os oqros fondSi devs.

enabluebi

vaxtang kobaiZe: orSabaTs

sainformacio gadacema mihyavda erT

wamyvans, samSabaTs sxvas, oTxSabaTi

hqonda merab beraZes, cxonebul guram

Jvanias mihyavs `Tbilisi, Cemi siy-

varuli~, me rusTavelis Teatrs

vaSuqeb. 1981 welia. guram Jvania l-

s ver ambobda, me xan vambob r-s, xan

_ vera, merab beraZisTvis S da s ar

arsebobda. mokled, `moambe~ brwyin-

valed Catarda, nugzar fofxaZe

gveubneba: biWebo, gilocavT, premiebi

Cemzea, kargi `moambe~ iyo. amasobaSi

rekavs telefoni. nugzarma gulianad

gaicina - "am bolo darekvam erTi

idea mikarnaxa - rogor gamovasworo

Tqveni enabluobao"... idea ganxor-

cielda imiT, rom televiziis StatSi

logopedi aiyvanes...

uSangi kapanaZe _

televiziis

winaswarmetyvelimerab xaCiZe: TanamSromeli

gvyavda, araCveulebrivi kaci, reJiro-

ri uSangi kapanaZe. Cveulebad hqonda,

yovel 31 dekembers aiRebda Svebule-

bas da axal wels soCaSi xvdeboda.

Cibuxs eweoda, saintereso kaci iyo.

erT dRes meubneba: ici, merab, breJne-

vo mokvdao.

_ ras ambob, batono uSangi, ra

mokvda, ratom xumrobT-meTqi.

Tu ar gjera, male gaigebo da wa-

vida.

maSin sabavSvo redaqciis mTavari

programebis mTavari redaqtori viya-

vi.

erT dRes batonma nugzar

fofxaZem miTxra: leila yubaneiSvili

Camovides, breJnevi mokvdao.

_ vici-meTqi.

_ ra icio? _ SemekiTxa batoni

nugzari.

_ breJnevi rom mokvda, is vici-

meTqi.

_ Sen ra ici, mec axla gavigeo.

_ es ambavi guSinwin miTxra uSan-

gi kapanaZem-meTqi.

_ giJebi xarTo, _ Tqva da wavida.

gavida dro.

breJnevis Semdeg andropovi dai-

niSna. erT dRes uSangi meubneba:

_ andropovi mokvdao.

_ damiWeren, uSangi, amas ver vity-

vi-meTqi.

amasobaSi sainformaciosTvis ra-

Rac teqsti momces, me Sevutane baton

nugzars da ver visveneb, rom es amba-

vi ar vuTxra:

_ ra moxda, raRac ver isveneb Se-

no, _ miTxra batonma nugzarma.

_ uSangim miTxra, andropovi mok-

vda-meTqi.

_ es is uSangi araa, sami wlis win

rom Tqva, breJnevi mokvdao?

_ki-meTqi.

_ Sen da mag uSangis sanam ar ga-

gacimbireben, ar moisvenebTo?

me vuTxari: naRadad mkvdari iqne-

ba andropovi, uSangim Tqva-meTqi.

meore dRes meZaxis.

_ uSangis deda ase da iseo.

_ ra moxda batono nugzar-meTqi?

_ andropovi mokvdao.

gavida isev dro.

ck-s pirveli mdivani gaxda Cernen-

ko.

igive ganmeorda.

meZaxis batoni nugzari Tavis kabi-

netSi.

_ dajeqi, _ meubneba. es wuTia da-

mireka SevardnaZem, Cernenko momkvda-

ra, sainformacio unda Sevcvalo, mag-

ram uSangisTan gadaamowme, yovel Sem-

TxvevaSio.

juRelis `moCveneba~merab xaCiZe: mTeli mTavroba

moskovSia gakrefili, keTili nebis

TamaSebi imarTeboda.

nugzar juReli safosto reiss

gahyva moskovSi.

saRamos unda Camovides, `moambe-

Si~ siuJeti aqvs.

mivedi saRamo xans. `moambis~ stu-

diasTan Sekrebilni arian da ismis

erTi xarxari.

nugzar juReli hyveba: dilaadri-

an gazeTebis sayidlad gamovedi.

SuqniSAnTan vdgavar. uceb Cems

fexebTan SAvi `volga~ gaCerda. manqa-

nis SuSa Camoiwia da ismis batoni

nugzaris xma: juReli, Camoxval

TbilisSi da me gaCveneb rogor unda

samsaxuridan gaparvao.

mere batoni nugzari ambobda _

juRelma cas SehRaRada: `RmerTo, ra

dagiSave, 16-milionian qalaqSi, am

dilauTenia nugzar fofxaZe rom

Semaxvedreo?!~

iranda kalandaZe

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