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1 The Social Capitalist: Keith Ferrazzi on the Power of Giving “In service lies growth.” In this episode of the Social Capitalist, Keith Ferrazzi told us how that basic truth has transformed his life and business. Keith, author of Never Eat Alone and CEO of Ferrazzi Greenlight, joined host Sara Grace in an energizing, actionoriented conversation on philanthropy and individual service as the keys to a successful, satisfied life. This is an edited transcript from a live Social Capitalist event. The Social Capitalist is sponsored programming of Ferrazzi Greenlight, a changemanagement consulting and training firm. The interactive interview series is dedicated to delivering in depth discussion on relationship science with the best and brightest thought leaders in business and academia. SARA GRACE: Welcome to today’s Social Capitalist. Today we’re here to talk about the power of giving, the idea that giving is growth, and how you can make service an incredibly enriching, changemaking part of your life and also of your business culture. To show us how to do it we’re here with Keith Ferrazzi, calling in from Los Angeles. He, as most of you I’m sure know, is the bestselling author of Never Eat Alone and Who’s Got Your Back. He is the founder and CEO of the change management and leadership development firm Ferrazzi Greenlight, and he is also, most importantly for today’s conversation, the founder of Greenlight Giving, a nonprofit that takes on collaborative change projects around the world using Ferrazzi Greenlight’s methodologies to help disadvantaged communities and change lives. Keith, thank you so much for doing this and being patient through the technical confusion. So, Greenlight Giving, this is the 501c(3) you created. Can you tell me how it got started and how it developed to arrive at its mission today? KEITH FERRAZZI: Well, first of all, Sara, thanks a lot for coming up with this idea for Social Capitalist. We’ve interviewed such awesome people and when you called and said that you wanted to interview me, I frankly thought it was just a copout to not have to do all the hard

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The  Social  Capitalist:  Keith  Ferrazzi  on  the  Power  of  Giving  

“In  service  lies  growth.”  In  this  episode  of  the  Social  Capitalist,  Keith  Ferrazzi  told  us  how  that  basic  truth  has  transformed  his  life  and  business.    

Keith,  author  of  Never  Eat  Alone  and  CEO  of  Ferrazzi  Greenlight,  joined  host  Sara  Grace  in  an  energizing,  

action-­‐oriented  conversation  on  philanthropy  and  individual  service  as  the  keys  to  a  successful,  satisfied  life.    

This  is  an  edited  transcript  from  a  live  Social  Capitalist  event.  The  Social  Capitalist  is  sponsored  programming  of  Ferrazzi  Greenlight,  a  change-­‐management  consulting  and  training  firm.  The  interactive  interview  series  is  dedicated  to  delivering  in  depth  discussion  on  relationship  science  with  the  best  and  brightest  thought  leaders  in  business  and  academia.  

SARA  GRACE:   Welcome  to  today’s  Social  Capitalist.  Today  we’re  here  to  talk  about  the  power  of  giving,  the  idea  that  giving  is  growth,  and  how  you  can  make  service  an  incredibly  enriching,  change-­‐making  part  of  your  life  and  also  of  your  business  culture.  To  show  us  how  to  do  it  we’re  here  with  Keith  Ferrazzi,  calling  in  from  Los  Angeles.  He,  as  most  of  you  I’m  sure  know,  is  the  best-­‐selling  author  of  Never  Eat  Alone  and  Who’s  Got  Your  Back.  He  is  the  founder  and  CEO  of  the  change  management  and  leadership  development  firm  Ferrazzi  Greenlight,  and  he  is  also,  most  importantly  for  today’s  conversation,  the  founder  of  Greenlight  Giving,  a  non-­‐profit  that  takes  on  collaborative  change  projects  around  the  world  using  Ferrazzi  Greenlight’s  methodologies  to  help  disadvantaged  communities  and  change  lives.  

  Keith,  thank  you  so  much  for  doing  this  and  being  patient  through  the  technical  confusion.  So,  Greenlight  Giving,  this  is  the  501c(3)  you  created.  Can  you  tell  me  how  it  got  started  and  how  it  developed  to  arrive  at  its  mission  today?  

KEITH  FERRAZZI:   Well,  first  of  all,  Sara,  thanks  a  lot  for  coming  up  with  this  idea  for  Social  Capitalist.  We’ve  interviewed  such  awesome  people  and  when  you  called  and  said  that  you  wanted  to  interview  me,  I  frankly  thought  it  was  just  a  cop-­‐out  to  not  have  to  do  all  the  hard  

 

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work  for  prep  and  then  I  realized  how  much  work  we  had  to  do  to  get  ready  for  this!  It’s  really  an  important  subject  for  me,  as  you  well  know,  and  it’s  exciting  that  we’re  going  to  be  sharing  this  with  our  community.    

  What  we  did,  as  you  remember,  a  number  of  years  ago,  is  when  we  launched  Greenlight  Giving,  it  was  our  non-­‐profit  focused  on  putting  all  of  our  intellectual  property  to  work.  A  long  time  ago  I  had  this  belief  that  collaborative  action  and  deeper  relationships  are  what  a  big  component  of  what  is  missing  in  society  to  advance  social  good.  And  part  of  that  came  about  by  talking  with  a  friend  of  mine,  Dr.  Mehmet  Oz,  who  many  people  know  as  Dr.  Oz  from  the  TV  show,  but  you  also  may  know  him  as  an  individual  who’s  a  major  social  evangelist  for  health  and  wellness  in  the  United  States,  and  that’s  a  cause  of  particular  interest  to  me  as  well.    

  So  we  put  together  an  annual  event  called  Big  Task,  Big  Task  Weekend.  At  the  time  we  had  Safeway  as  a  client  of  ours.  We  also  had  a  number  of  other  folks  who  were  interested  in  the  health  and  wellness  arena  so  we  pulled  together  a  group  of  executives  who,  individually  in  the  foundations  within  their  own  corporations  or  individually  within  their  foundation,  cared  deeply  about  the  health  and  wellness  cause.  I’ve  always  felt  that  if  they  came  together  with  greater  collaborative  action,  deeper  mutual  commitment,  higher  degrees  of  candor  in  getting  the  real  messages  at  the  forefront,  that  collectively  the  consumer  packaged  goods  companies,  the  beverages  companies,  the  grocery  store  chains,  the  American  Diabetes  Association,  the  24  Hour  Fitnesses,  those  kinds  of  organizations  could  come  together  and  make  a  bigger  difference  on  a  bigger  task.  So  we  launched  Big  Task  for  Collaborative  Action.  

  Over  the  years  we’ve  put  the  same  idea  in  practice.  What  I  was  really  trying  to  do  was  take  the  work  we  were  doing  for  corporations  and  bring  that  to  life  for  individuals  in  need.  So  we  started  doing  things  like  taking  our  intellectual  properties  that  we  would  teach  to  consultants  or  financial  advisors  on  how  to  deepen  relationships,  we  would  bring  that  same  intellectual  property  and  teach  college  students.  I  launched  it  at  Yale  University,  originally.  

 

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We  called  it  CollegeCONNECT,  where  we  talked  to  college  kids  in  their  sophomore  year  about  how  to  deepen  and  build  their  networks  in  service  of  getting  their  internships  for  the  summer.  And  we  were  able  to  increase  the  efficacy  of  those  kids  getting  internships.    

  My  personal  story  relative  to  Daniel,  my  foster  son,  was  that  he  was  such  a  touching  and  moving  element  of  my  life  that  we  realized  that  one  of  the  big  challenges  with  disadvantaged  youth,  particularly  in  foster  care,  was  that  these  kids  had  had  abusive  relationships  as  their  primary  relationships  early  on,  and  then  as  they  went  through  the  foster  care  system,  these  kids  were  treated  transactionally—not  intimately,  not  emotionally,  not  connectedly.  And  as  a  result  these  kids  graduated  at  18  and  everyone  was  so  focused  on  how,  for  these  kids,  they  didn’t  have  any  money  or  wherewithal,  but,  really,  their  biggest  gap  was  that  they  didn’t  have  relationship  skills.    

  So  they  found  their  families  in  gangs,  they  found  intimacy  in  prostitution,  and  I  believe  that  if  we  taught  these  kids  relationships  skills  early  on  we  could  graduate  these  kids  as  more  functional  members  of  society.  You  know,  80  percent  of  the  U.S.  prison  population  came  from  foster  care.  So  we  started  creating  curriculum  for  disadvantaged  youth.    

  We  created  curriculum  for  high  school  kids,  and  we’ve  now  just  launched  a  program  where  we’ve  created  curriculum  for  vets  who  were  returning  from  service  needing  to  build  relationships  and  relationship  skills  to  get  back  into  the  workforce.    

  So  the  whole  intent,  originally,  was  to  take  our  IP,  our  intellectual  property,  and  put  it  to  work  in  society.  And  what  we  found  all  along  is  that  the  advantage  to  our  company  has  been  extraordinary,  the  advantage  to  me  personally,  the  advantage  to  our  people  and  to  our  friends  who  we’ve  invited  in  to  participate,  has  been  off  the  Richter  scale  recognizing  that,  as  we  say  at  Ferrazzi  Greenlight,  within  service  lies  growth.  And  I  think  that  that’s  why  we  wanted  to  bring  this  to  this  audience  in  the  recognition  of  how  powerful  service  has  been  in  the  

 

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transformation  of  the  lives  of  the  people  that  have  been  of  service.  

SARA  GRACE:   That’s  definitely  one  of  the  things  I  really  want  to  hit  on,  and  really  two  sides  of  it,  one,  giving  people  ideas  based  on  what  you’ve  done  at  Ferrazzi  Greenlight  about  how  to  create  so  many  synergies  between  business  and  service  actions,  so  we’ll  go  down  that  line.  But  two,  I  also  want  to  talk  about  what  you  just  brought  up,  which  is  this  idea  that  the  power  of  giving  comes  back  to  you  twofold.    

  So  let’s  actually  start  there,  let’s  talk  about  this  idea  of  “giving  is  growth”  or  in  service  lies  growth,  which  is  listed  as  one  of  the  missions  of  Greenlight  Giving.  How  has  that  made  you  a  better  leader  personally?  How  has  that  changed  your  life  in  terms  of  what  you  bring  to  the  office  everyday  or  what  goes  on  at  home?  

KEITH  FERRAZZI:   I’ll  tell  a  little  bit  of  a  story  about  myself  and  then  I’ll  move  from  that  to  some  of  our  clients  and  then  I’ll  take  that  out  to  our  employees  at  Ferrazzi  Greenlight  as  well.    

  So  on  a  personal  basis,  we  woke  up  a  few  years  ago,  maybe  five,  six  years  ago.  Around  Christmas  time  every  year  we  go  to  these  amazing  conferences,  like  the  Renaissance  Weekend,  and  etc.  And  we  talked  so  much  about  changing  the  world  at  these  conferences,  and  that’s  fantastic.  But  as  you  well  know,  Sara,  our  whole  focus  at  Ferrazzi  Greenlight  is  about  behavioral  transformations,  and  action.  We  don’t  give  a  damn  that  you  went  through  a  training  course.  What  we  care  about  is  that  you  applied  it  in  your  life  and  you  made  a  difference  and  that  that  difference  is  measurable.  That’s  all  we  care  about.  That’s  the  ruthless  focus  of  our  organization.  And  to  that  end  I  realized  I  wasn’t  living  it  myself  as  much  as  I  would’ve  liked  to.    

  I  also  recognized  that  to  some  extent  I  was  applying  my  philanthropic  outreach,  I  think,  too  much  at  the  time  for  the  sake  of  my  professional  gain.  You  know,  it  was  about  giving  free  speeches  to  big  organizations.  It  was  about  being  on  boards  where  there  were  networking  opportunities,  and  I  had  to  take  a  

 

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reflective  look  at  my  goals  for  the  year  a  few  years  ago  and  say,  “Where  am  I  being  of  humble  service?”    

  My  whole  family  and  I  started  doing  Meals-­‐on-­‐Wheels,  where  on  Sundays  we  would  just  go  around  and  we  would  serve  people  in  the  Meals-­‐on-­‐Wheels  program.  I’ve  got  to  tell  you  how  touching  it  was  to  show  up  at  a  little  old  lady’s  house  where  she  had  woken  up  early  that  day  and  put  on  her  lipstick.  Right?  And  she  was  getting  up,  waiting  for  us  to  come,  because  that  was  the  only  connectivity  she  had  that  day.  And  that  was  so  touching  to  me,    and  it  became  infectious.    

  We  tend  to  go  to  church  not  as  regularly  as  we’d  like,  and  that’s  a  commitment  this  year,  to  go  to  church  more,  but  I  began  to  find  that  within  my  service  I  was  unleashing  my  sense  of  spirituality  and  it  was  very  powerful  to  me  and  very  powerful  to  our  family.  And  it  was  non-­‐religious  based.  It  was  just  opening  up  your  soul  to  another  human  being.  And  I  realized  that  I  became  softer  through  my  service.    

  Now,  like  church,  of  course,  just  as  preachers  talk  about  the  Sunday  to  Monday  drop-­‐off,  I  can  be  wonderfully  soft  and  open,  and  by  noon  on  Monday,  depending  on  what’s  going  on,  I’m  back  to  being  Keith  Ferrazzi  again,  right?  So  I  knew  I  needed  to  bring  more  constancy  into  my  life  and  my  service.    

  And  so  in  thinking  about  that,  we  also  started  thinking  about  how  we  spent  our  vacations.  There’s  a  wonderful  organization  in  San  Antonio  called  Cultural  Embrace,  which  I  reached  out  to.  They  had  never  done  high-­‐end  travel  before,  because  what  they  did  is  they  put  college  kids  to  work  in  service  in  third-­‐world  countries  as  a  part  of  vacations  and  outreach.    

  I  reached  out  to  them  and  said,  “Listen.  You  know,  I’m  unlikely  to  be  taking  a  month  off  and  sleeping  in  a  shack,  my  business  can’t  afford  that  right  now.  But  what  I  would  like  to  do  is,  I’d  like  for  on  the  next  trip  I  do  internationally,  whether  that’s  to  China,  whether  that’s  to  Tibet,  wherever  I  happen  to  be  going  for  business  purposes,  I  would  like  you  to  find  disadvantaged  youth  that  I  can  go  be  of  service  to.  Go  find  orphanages.  I’ll  raise  money,  I’ll  go  

 

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there,  I’ll  work  with  the  kids,  even  if  it  means  I’ll  just  extend  my  trip  a  weekend,  right?    

  And  what’s  interesting,  we  decided  to  go  down  to  Guatemala  one  year.  And  we  showed  up  there  and  it  was  such  this…  it  was  an  amazing  situation.  We  showed  up  and  we  were  prepared  for  an  entire  trip  where  we  lived  in  this  wonderful  little  city  called  Antigua  in  this  gorgeous  old  mission  hotel,  one  of  the  most  beautiful  hotels  I’ve  ever  been  in  my  life  for,  like,  200  bucks  a  night,  right?  And  every  day  we  would  forage  out  into  the  community  and  work  with  kids  that  ate  every  other  day.  And  we  raised  money  among  our  Ferrazzi  Greenlight  family,  our  fans  from  Never  Eat  Alone,  etc.,  like  “a  couple  of  hundred  bucks,  folks,”  and  were  able  to  transform  these  kids  lives  for  a  year.  It  educates  them,  it  feeds  them,  it  houses  them,  it  gives  them  medication.  Two  hundred  bucks,  right?    

  So  I  started  giving  away  every  year  at  Christmas  to  all  my  clients  the  gift  of  having  taken  care  of  an  orphan,  having  taken  care  of  a  little  kid.  And  then  I  started  giving  these  little  pictures  …  you  know,  what  I  would  do  is  I  would  take  a  picture  of  that  kid  they  helped  holding  up  a  sign  that  says,  “Thank  you,  Mehmet,”  right?  And  I  sent  it  to  them.  Then  they’d  call  me  and  they’d  say,  “That  was  beautiful.  Can  we  go  with  you  next  time?”    

  All  of  a  sudden  clients  and  friends  started  coming  with  us,  and  they  experienced  the  same  thing  I  experienced,  which  was  just  transformative.  My  heart  melted,  my  friends’  hearts  melted,  our  kids  started  coming  with  us,  and  then  every  night  we  started  having  dinner  parties  while  we  were  there.  And  those  dinner  parties  that  we  have  while  we  were  there  became  opportunities  to  share  our  experiences  with  each  other,  to  talk  about  our  lives.  The  kids  would  talk  about  how  they  started  seeing  the  world  in  a  different  way  as  a  result  of  the  service  that  they  were  doing.  We  started  setting  goals  together  at  these  dinners.  

  Then  I  started  doing  my  natural  Keith  Ferrazzi  thing,  and  I  said,  “Well,  who  are  the  most  powerful  and  important  people  in  Guatemala?  Let  me  have  dinner  with  them  while  I’m  here.”  Right?  But  at  the  same  time,  I  was  out  there  in  these  communities  

 

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working  with  social  entrepreneurs,  women  who  had  given  over  their  huts  to  20  orphans  in  the  community  who  were  sleeping  there  full-­‐time,  and  she  was  feeding  them  as  best  as  she  could,  and,  of  course,  I  invited  her  to  dinner,  too.  And  as  a  result  I  had  the  wealthiest  families  in  Guatemala  having  dinner  with  the  poorest  social  evangelist  in  Guatemala,  along  with  these  American  executives.    

  And  the  weirdest  thing  started  to  happen.  The  collaborative  action  that  I  started  at  Big  Task  began  to  come  alive  in  Antigua  accidentally,  and  I  realized,  holy  #@$,  I  was  doing  the  same  thing  there  that  we  had  done  at  Big  Task.  We’ve  created  collaborative  action  in  Antigua  and  those  wealthy  people  were  getting  these  social  entrepreneurs  funded  that  they  didn’t  even  know  were  there.  

  Then,  all  of  a  sudden,  I  said,  “Wait  a  second.  We’re  doing  this—why  don’t  we  take  our  training  down  to  Guatemala?  Why  don’t  we  teach  these  social  entrepreneurs  how  to  build  networks  to  be  more  effective?”  And  then,  because  I  wanted  more  and  more  of  the  wealthy  people  to  come  to  help  these  social  entrepreneurs,  I  started  doing  free  training  sessions  for  the  wealthy  elite  in  Guatemala  with  all  of  our  IP  that  we  would  charge  thousands  and  thousands  of  dollars  for.  I’d  give  it  away  but  the  little  secret  thing  that  I  would  do  is  I  would  put  them  all  at  the  same  tables  with  these  social  entrepreneurs.  Right?  And  by  the  end  of  the  day  of  doing  the  training  they  had  created  partnerships  and  they  were  working  with  each  other.  Right?  

  And  now  what  we’ve  done,  and  this  is  really  kind  of  crazy,  I’m  so  excited  about  going  back,  we  got  a  massive  donation,  a  confidential  donation  I’m  not  allowed  to  talk  about,  we  got  a  donation  of  3,000  pairs  of  kids  shoes,  new  shoes  that  we’re  taking  down  with  us.  And  what  we’re  going  to  do  is  with  every  pair  of  new  shoes,  we’re  going  to  give  out  a  two-­‐pager  for  these  kids.  And  depending  upon  the  age  range,  we’re  going  to  give  out  a  two-­‐page  thing  written  in  their  local  languages,  a  little  tutorial  about  how  to  build  the  kind  of  relationships  that  they  need  to  break  out  of  their  cycle  of  poverty.  Interestingly  enough,  even  these  very  

 

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poor  kids,  many  who  travel  miles  and  miles  to  school,  are  on  Facebook.  So  we’re  opening  a  Facebook  page  and  we’re  running  a  contest  for  these  kids.  Whoever  takes  the  shoes  and  the  flyer  and  puts  it  to  use  to  help  themselves,  and  then  puts  it  to  use  to  help  someone  else,  and  shares  their  stories  on  Facebook,  we  will  have  a  scholarship  grant  for  the  kids  who  do  it  the  best.  And  not  only  are  we  going  to  do  that  but  when  we  come  back  we’re  going  to  pull  together  all  of  the  kids  who  have  been  doing  well  and  have  been  writing  on  Facebook,  all  of  them  will  get  to  come  together  and  we’ll  host  a  one-­‐day  event  for  them  where  we’ll  introduce  them  to  the  wealthy  elite  and  get  them  internships  and  jobs.    

  Now,  my  bigger  dream  is  to  take  the  Yale  CollegeCONNECT    program  where  we’re  teaching  kids  the  life  skills  that  they  need  in  college  to  get  their  internships,  we’re  now  migrating  that  to  Belmont  University  and  to  Colgate  University.  This,  by  the  way,  is  a  free  curriculum  offered  to  any  college  in  the  United  States,  sponsored  by  TIAA-­‐CREF,  and  I  want  to  begin  to  bring  these  college  kids  together  at  the  various  schools.  The  ones  that  are  kicking  butt  and  doing  the  best,  we’re  going  to  cull  them  out  and  anoint  them  in  a  community  called  Greenlight  Givers  and  they’ll  be  part  of  an  annual  event.  And  we’ll  also,  then,  take  some  of  the  kids  down  to  Guatemala  to  meet  the  local  indigenous  kids  who  are  also  Greenlight  Givers.  And  then  we’re  going  to  take  the  returning  vets  and  the  ones  that  are  applying  the  philosophy  the  best,  we’ll  anoint  them  as  Greenlight  Givers  and  we’ll  have  them  helping  other  vets,  and  then  meeting  the  college  kids,  and  then  among  the  disadvantaged  inner  city  youth,  we’ll  have  all  of  these  communities  who  are  Greenlight  Givers  coming  together,  using  our  IP  to  both  advance  their  own  lives  but  also  using  the  IP  to  advance  others  and  serve  and  grow.  So  these  kids  will  be  of  service,  these  kids  will  be  teachers  and  this  community  of  Greenlight  Givers  I’m  so  excited  about,  this  idea,  and  this  has  become  the  formative  element  of  our  foundation.  

SARA  GRACE:   I  want  to  talk  about  Teach  and  Grow,  because  that’s  also  a  core  value,  it’s  something  you’ve  built  into  the  learning  culture  of  Ferrazzi  Greenlight  and  also,  clearly,  it  relates  to  what  you  just  said  about  Greenlight  Giving.  Can  you  talk  a  little  bit  about  how  

 

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that  works  and  how  other  people  might  bring  that  to  their  company?  

KEITH  FERRAZZI:   Well,  the  first  time  I  realized  Teach  and  Grow  was  real  was  when  I  woke  up  and  said,  “Listen,  Keith,  you  can’t  stand  on  stage  every  day  and  give  lectures  and  talks  and  work  with  clients  about  how  to  be  a  better  leader  and  engage  more  deeply  with  your  employees  who  can  then  turn  around  and  engage  customers….you  can’t  train  folks  in  this  intellectual  property  and  not  have  realized  that  if  you’re  not  moving  in  that  direction  every  day  more  and  more  yourself,  you’re  a  damn  hypocrite.”  Right?    

  In  part,  it’s  core  to  my  DNA,  I  never  stop  growing.  I  have  to  grow,  and  I’m  constantly  looking  for  new  ways  to  be  a  better  leader,  and  that’s  an  assumed  position  for  me.  But  what  I  have  found  is  that  if  an  employee  of  Ferrazzi  Greenlight  goes  out  to  an  inner  city  school  and  teaches  our  intellectual  property,  they  own  it  more  than  they  ever  did  before.  If  they’re  going  to  go  out  and  teach  inner  city  kids  how  important  it  is  to  build  relationships  to  get  out  of  their  cycle  of  poverty,  then  they  better  come  back  and  realize  that  they  have  to  put  their  own  Relationship  Action  Plan  into  place.    

  And  so  what  we’ve  done  is,  for  instance,  at  General  Motors,  we  began  to  take  our  clients  into  inner  city  schools.  At  GM,  we’re  helping  district  managers  to  open  up  “Trusted  Advisor”  relationships  with  the  dealership,  which  is  all  about  creating  a  deeper  partnership,  helping  that  individual  do  a  gap  analysis  on  their  business,  closing  that  gap  analysis  by  heightening  employee  engagement,  all  in  service  of  increasing  customer  satisfaction.  So  when  we  take  those  same  district  managers  to  inner  city  schools,  they’re  teaching  that  to  kids  to  advance  in  their  own  ways  with  their  relationships  with  their  peers,  relationships  with  their  teachers,  relationships  with  their  parents,  etc.  They’re  putting  their  own  Relationship  Action  Plan  together,  doing  their  own  gap  analysis  on  where  they  are  in  their  lives.    

And  so  again,  what  we  find  in  this  work,  is  that  you  can’t  stand  in  front  of  an  audience  and  teach  something  without  it  impacting  you.  

 

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  One  of  the  things  that’s  very  important  to  me  is,  as  you  begin  to  learn  something  about  our  intellectual  property  and  the  reason  why  we,  as  an  organization,  are  better  than  most  at  human  behavior  change,  is  that  we  don’t  just  teach  stuff.  We  change  habits,  we  change  addictive,  old,  bad  behaviors.  And  a  part  of  that  is  an  immersive,  an  experiential,  or  what  we  call  “mission-­‐based”  learning  system  which  forces  people  to  do  stuff.  And  part  of  what  we  tell  people  to  do  is  that,  to  finish  learning  it,  you’ve  got  to  go  teach  it,  and  if  you  can’t  teach  it  then  it’s  really  never  going  to  solidify  in  your  soul.  Does  that  make  any  sense?  

SARA  GRACE:   That  totally  makes  sense.  And  I  think  that  it’s  a  key  for  people  as  they  think  about  what  in  their  business  might  be  something  that  they  can  use  to  give  back  to  the  broader  community.    

  On  that  line  of  thinking,  what  do  you  recommend  for  anyone  on  this  call  who  might  be  thinking,  “How  can  I  make  service  a  bigger  part  of  my  life  or  a  bigger  part  of  my  business?”  How  do  you  recommend  that  people  choose  a  cause?  Is  this  an  area  where  it’s  okay  for  them  to  be  purposeful,  or  is  it  something  that  should  be  completely  driven  by  passion?  

KEITH  FERRAZZI:   I  think  they  have  to  be  driven  by  passion.  Look,  at  Ferrazzi  Greenlight,  we  have  made  a  commitment  that  employees  will  spend  10  percent  of  their  time  in  service.  And  we’re  still  working  out  the  details  of  how  that  works  and  what  that  looks  like,  but  that’s  real  money  and  that’s  real  time.  I  think  about  all  the  time  that  I  spend  on  the  foundation—it’s  an  extraordinary  amount  of  time,  getting  ready  for  Guatemala.  I  mean,  when  we  do  Big  Task  it  sucks  down  at  least  a  third  of  our  organization  for  months  in  advance,  and  you  can  see  the  bottom-­‐line  impact  at  the  end  of  the  year  is  significant  when  we  do  Big  Task.  It  hurts  our  bottom  line,  but  it’s  a  compulsion  for  me,  and  it’s  just  what  I  have  to  do.  I  love  it.  It’s  deep  in  my  soul.  It’s  why  I’m  on  this  earth.  I  wake  up  because  I  want  to  make  a  difference.    

  I  do  love  making  a  difference  at  large  corporations,  because  large  corporations  have  opened  up,  in  a  sense,  the  pulpit  of  their  organization  to  me  to  transform  people’s  lives,  which  is  fantastic.  I’m  so  blessed  to  do  that,  but  there’s  a  hell  of  a  lot  of  people  out  

 

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there  who  need  this  kind  of  work  even  more  than  a  district  manager  of  an  automotive  company.  Right?  So  it’s  become  a  compulsion  for  me.    

  Now  that  said,  I  have  found  just  natural  and  elegant  ways  to  integrate  it  into  our  business  life.  I  mean,  the  people  that  I  take  with  me  to  Guatemala,  the  fact  that  we’re  taking  GM  employees  into  inner  city  schools,  the  fact  that  it  is  some  of  our  friends…  I  may  turn  around  and  have  a  conversation  with  an  executive  and  have  that  individual  invest  in  our  inner  city  kid  program  where  we  teach  kids  rap  music  to  help  them  tell….you  know,  it’s  interesting,  we  have  translated  myGreenlight,  which  is  a  mission-­‐based  online  program  to  help  you  transform  your  life  through  people-­‐based  skills  and  networking  and  people  relationships,  we’ve  translated  myGreenlight  into  the  language  of  rap  music.  Like,  instead  of  the  30  weeks  of  curriculum  that  is  in  myGreenlight,  we’ve  got  three  months  of  curriculum  all  wrapped  around  rap  music  because  that’s  the  language  of  those  students.  We’ve  translated  the  language  for  vets  into  vet  language,  for  college  kids  into  college  kid  language—but  it’s  all  the  same  skills.  

  So  it’s  been  so  extraordinary,  to  see  how  once  you’re  open  to  it  the  business  elements  have  just  blended—which,  again,  you  guys,  remember  Never  Eat  Alone.  In  one  chapter  I  say,  “Don’t  live  a  balanced  life.  Live  a  blended  life.”  If  you  try  to  live  a  balanced  life,  which  means  I’m  going  to  spend  so  much  time  at  work,  so  much  time  in  planning  to  be,  so  much  time  with  spirituality,  so  much  time  with  my  friends,  so  much  time  with  my  family,  so  much  time  with  whatever,  no  one  piece  of  that  time  will  ever  be  big  enough,  ever,  to  be  great.  But  in  this  I’m  blending  it  all.  My  family,  my  colleagues  at  work,  my  clients,  my  desire  to  feed  my  spirituality,  my  desire  to  feed  my  true  humble  sense  of  philanthropy.  And  guess  what?    

  Along  the  way  I  have  oddly…  it  has  helped  my  business.  We  just  recently  brought  on  a  couple  of  new  managing  directors  and  senior  folks  at  our  firm.  One  of  them,  Brian,  who’s  sitting  behind  me,  and  Walt,  sitting  over  here,  and  I  can  guarantee  you,  or  I  suspect,  and  I’m  seeing  heads  nod,  that  a  chunk  of  why  they  

 

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decided  to  go  with  this  company  is  that  we’re  mission  driven.  Brian  spent  time  in  the  Peace  Corps,  he’s  mission-­‐driven.  I  know  Walt  feels  the  same  way  at  this  stage  of  his  life,  he  wants  to  make  a  difference.  And  that’s  been  one  of  the  biggest  things  where,    from  a  recruiting  perspective  and  I  hope  and  believe  from  an  employee  engagement  perspective,  we  see  impact.  

  I’d  love  to  tell  a  story  about  what  happened  at  our  employee  offsite  this  year  where  I  gave  everyone  in  the  company  a  little  stack  of  $5  bills.  We  were  down  in  Venice  at  my  beach  house,  and  everybody  in  the  company  in  small  teams  of  –  I  guess  it  was  like  four  or  five  people  –  we  sent  everybody  out  in  teams  to  give  away  that  stack  of  $5  bills  to  people  of  need.  And  I  knew  that  Venice  is  a  place  where  we  have  homeless,  drug  addicts,  prostitutes,  you  have  all  these  individuals  living  on  the  street.  I  knew  that  there  would  be,  unfortunately,  an  abundance  of  people  in  need.  And  I  sent  the  group  away  with  these  $5  bills  and  said,  “The  only  commitment  is  that  when  you  come  back  you  have  to  bring  back  with  you  their  stories.”    

  I  wanted  to  teach  my  folks  “Serve  and  Grow”  in  a  light  manner,  where  they  had  to  go  out  and  touch  another  human  being  in  need  and  engage  in  a  dialogue,  not  just  in  writing  a  check.  And  I  have  to  tell  you  it  was  so  touching  to  me  when  JP,  one  of  our  managing  partners,  called  me  at  Thanksgiving,  all  choked  up—and  mind  you,    this  happened  back  in  August,  right?  He  wanted  to  tell  me  that  he  just  got  back  from  delivering  two  bags  of  groceries  to  the  couple  that  he  met  in  August  at  their  homeless  hut  that  they  created  down  in  Venice.  He  lives  up  in  Bel  Air.  Right?  And  that’s  a  schlep  down  to  Venice  to  go  shopping  for  those  folks,  to  find  them  and  to  give  them  those  groceries,  and  to  sit  with  them  over  at  Thanksgiving  and  talk  to  them  about  how  their  life  was  and  where  they  were.  That  meant  so  much  to  JP.  He  was  grateful  for  the  experience.  That’s  Serve  and  Grow.  And  that’s  how  you  integrate  and  balance  your  philosophy,  your  philanthropy,  your  service,  your  spirituality,  and  your  business.  That’s,  to  me,  the  joy  of  this  philosophy.  

 

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SARA  GRACE:   A  fan  had  asked  on  your  blog,  “What’s  the  best  way  to  get  employees  engaged  with  these  kinds  of  CSR  programs?”  I  think  the  implication  being  that  sometimes  the  leader  might  have  the  compulsion,  but  it’s  harder  to  kind  of  get  the  troops  to  kind  of  open  their  eyes  and  connect.  The  story  you  just  told,  I  think,  is  a  great  example  of  how  to  kind  of  give  them  the  opportunity  to  experience  it  and  connect  them  that  way.  Do  you  have  any  other  tips  for  getting  other  people,  especially  employees,  as  inspired  around  these  ideas  as  you  are?  We  will  go  to  Q&A  after  this  question.  Just  want  to  give  everyone  a  heads-­‐up  to  chat  questions  so  that  we  can  ask  them  to  Keith  in  a  moment.  Sorry,  Keith,  go  ahead.  

KEITH  FERRAZZI:   First  of  all,  Sara,  it  starts  with  who  you  hire.  I  mean,  I  was  touched  by  Brian’s  need  to  serve  and  his  desire  to  make  a  difference  in  the  world.  Annette  Templeton,  who  we  brought  over  from  Gallup,  why  did  she  leave  the  Gallup  consulting  practice  and  come  to  Ferrazzi  Greenlight,  which  is  significantly  smaller  in  size?  Why?  Because  of  the  mission-­‐driven  element  of  it.  And  so  it’s  who  you  hire,  is  number  one.    

  Number  two,  just  make  them,  dammit.  Right?  I  own  a  set  of  time  of  a  person’s  life  that  we  give  and  donate  to  our  clients  and  our  time,  etc.  And  if  I  say  that  we’re  going  to  spend  10  percent  of  our  time  in  philanthropy,  then  we  will,  and  that’s  what  we’re  paying  people  for.  So  that’s  done.  I  mean,  they  can  choose  not  to  work  here  if  they  don’t  want  to  do  that,  but  it’s  one  of  the  biggest  gifts  I  think  we  give  people.    

  Now,  how  do  you  make  that  really  work?  Ten  percent  is  a  lot—is  that  the  right  number?  How  are  we  making  it  work?  How  do  we  compensate  people  for  it?  How  do  we  reward  people  for  it?  All  of  that  is  to  be  worked  out.  If  anybody  is  really  interested  as  an  entrepreneur  and  you  control  a  business,  to  think  about  how  we’re  doing  it,  give  us  a  call  and  Brian  and  I  will  spend  some  time  talking  about  how  we’re  operationalizing  that.    

  But  look,  the  other  issue  is,  lead  by  example.  I  really  haven’t  asked  the  question  of  whether  or  not  there’s  anybody  in  the  firm  who  just  by  virtue  of  my  passion  has  picked  up  on  that  passion  and  is  

 

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doing  this  themselves.  But  I  know  that  JP’s  trip  to  Venice  was  precipitated  by  the  experience  that  he  had  over  the  summer  that  was  a  part  of  work—he  didn’t  have  to  spend  any  time  of  his  Thanksgiving  away  from  his  family  going  down  there  and  doing  that.  Right?  So  I  think  it’s  leading  by  example,  and  giving  people  opportunities.  Just  like  when  we  change  human  behavior.  You  don’t  change  by  knowing,  you  change  by  experiencing.  We  call  it  “small  eye-­‐droppers  of  change,”  over  an  extended  period  of  time.  Enough  drip,  drip,  drip  of  the  service  message  with  your  folks,  but  giving  them  then  the  experience,  too.    

  You’ve  got  to  curate  time  for  this.  If  I  didn’t  take  a  chunk  of  my  offsite  to  do  this  then  they  would  have  gotten  the  taste.  When  we’re  trying  to  teach  people  how  to  be  a  better,  more  collaborative  team,  we  hijack  the  staff  meeting  and  force  the  staff  meeting  to  be  more  collaborative.  And  so  that’s  giving  people  a  taste  of  this  stuff.  You’ve  got  to  give  people  a  taste  in  order  for  them  to  have  the  same  addiction  that  I  have  relative  to  the  contagion  of  needing  to  be  of  service  almost  compulsively  now.  

SARA  GRACE:   Giving  people  a  taste,  that’s  a  good  comment  because  it  totally  reflects  back  Ferrazzi  Greenlight’s  entire  behavioral  change  philosophy.  All  right,  a  couple  of  questions  from  the  room.  The  first  one  is  very  interesting  and  I  feel  like  I’m  going  to  have  to  give  it  an  explainer,  although  I  think  you’ll  know  what  it’s  about.  So  Burning  Man.  Burning  Man  is,  just  for  anyone  in  the  call  who  isn’t  connected  or  familiar  with  it,  it’s  an  art  festival  and  an  alternative  community  that  happens  once  a  year  in  Nevada.  The  event  runs  on  something  called  a  gift  economy,  and  the  idea  is  that  you  don’t  buy  water  or  dinner  or  a  place  to  sleep,  if  you  don’t  have  one—  rather,  it’s  given  to  you  as  a  gift.  And  people  bring  just  a  ton  of  generosity  to  the  event  that  makes  it  work.  The  question,  and  I  may  have  stolen  some  of  the  answer,  but  the  question  is,  what’s  your  take  on  this  “gift  economy”?  And  what  is  that  place  without  commerce?  How  does  that  fit  in  with  this  idea  of  humble  service?  And  also  I’d  love  to  know  if  that’s  been  in  any  way  inspirational  to  you,  or  something  that  you’re  connected  with.  

 

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KEITH  FERRAZZI:   Well,  for  those  who  don’t  know  what  Burning  Man  is....  There  are  certain  iconic  events  that  occur  around  the  world,  and  I  only  know  a  few  of  them  personally.  I’ve  often  talked  of  Davos  and  the  World  Economic  Forum.  People  know  that  I’ve  been  a  Tedster  and  I  go  to  the  Ted  Conference  and  have  for  years  and  years  and  years.  I  talked  about  Renaissance  Weekend.  There’s  the  kids  at  the  Summit  Series,  which  is  basically  the  next-­‐generation  social  entrepreneurship  conference  that  they  do.  I  put  Burning  Man  in  that  group,  and  maybe  it’s  more  like  the  events  like  Art  Basel.  But  it’s  an  escape  from  the  map,  a  place  created  by  folks  who  have  a  very  different  philosophy.  It’s  escape  from  the  capitalistic  way  in  which  we  live.  You’re  not  allowed  to  buy  or  sell  anything  there,  and  you  go  there  and  everything  you  need  or  want  you  trade  or  gift.  There  are  some  people  that  try  this  social  experiment  where  they  show  up  with  literally  nothing  but  clothes  on  their  back,  not  even  food  or  shelter  or  clothes  enough  that  they  would  get  through  the  first  cold  night.  And  they  spend  a  week  there  and  they  end  up  at  the  end  sitting  in  a  little  camp  with  everything  they  possibly  need.  Part  of  the  gift  that  they  gave  could’ve  just  been  walking  into  a  camp  and  singing  a  song,  or  walking  into  a  camp  and  being  generous  with  offering  to  clean  up  or  do  something  or  just  being  a  lovely  person,  right,  being  of  generous  spirit.    

  Now,  I  take  executives  to  it,  and  that  is  a  very  interesting  experience.  The  way  we  do  Burning  Man  is  we  fly  in  on  our  private  jet  into  the  playa,  which  is  ridiculous.  We  have  25  RVs,  we  take  25  staff,  we  have  a  sushi  chef  …  I  mean,  it  is  crazy  what  we  do.  But  what  I  want  to  do  is  to  give  executives  who  would  never  dare  go  to  Burning  Man—and  like  myself,  I  would’ve  never  gone  to  Burning  Man—I  wanted  to  give  them  the  opportunity  to  show  up  for  two  or  three  days  and  witness  and  see  this  environment.  It’s  one  of  the  most  beautiful  art  exhibits,  movable  art,  fire  art,  everything  is  art  while  it’s  there.  It’s  like  six  or  five  thousand  people,  each  of  which  is  walking  around  in  costumes  that  are  art,  every  car  has  to  be  an  art  car.  It’s  just  a  crazy  interesting  wonderful  experience.  

 

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  Look.  It  is  for  those  who  believe  that  there  is  a  social  utopia  possible.  They  try  to  create  this.  Right?  It’s  very  much  ’60s-­‐driven,  you  know,  coming  from  the  Bay  area  where  it  was  all  created.    

  It  was  funny,  because  I  was  sitting  there  watching  the  man  burn,  and  one  of  my  guests  looked  at  me,  and  I  said,  “This  is  really  beautiful.”  And  they  said,  “Do  you  realize  we  are  the  man?”  And  I  said,  “Yeah,  I  kinda  get,  that  but  let’s  put  that  aside.”    

  Look,  the  answer  is  it’s  an  experience.  It’s  experience  and,  I  have  to  say,  there’s  nothing  particularly  service-­‐oriented  at  that  event,  although  there  are  major  service  elements  to  it.  There’s  an  art  element,  beautiful  and  important,  I  think,  that  part  of  society.    

  But  it  is  an  experiential  dose  of  something  like  what  I’m  trying  to  do  in  Guatemala.  Like  what  I  do  when  I  take  some  of  the  interns  into  the  inner  city  school.  It’s  something  that  you  get  immersed  in  and  you  grow  from  the  immersion.  You  don’t  read  about  it,  you  don’t  watch  it  on  TV,  you  go  put  yourself  in  the  middle  of  it.  I  have  taken  the  chief  marketing  officers  and  CEOs  of  many  iconic  companies  because  I’ve  said,  “I  don’t  know  what  you’re  going  to  do  with  this,  but  you’ll  experience  something,  and  do  something  with  it.”  And  that’s,  to  me,  how  we  learn.    

  Remember,  go  back  to  our  core,  we  are  a  behavioral  transformation  organization.  Behavioral  transformation  is  the  core  of  our  DNA.  What  makes  Ferrazzi  Greenlight  special  and  what  makes  Greenlight  Giving  extraordinary  is  that  we  bring  behavioral  transformation  to  life  –  in  people  and  in  society,  for  disadvantaged,  underserved  communities  and  disadvantaged  and  underserved  causes,  like  foster  care,  like  health  and  wellness,  like  returning  vets,  like  disadvantaged  youth,  like  third-­‐world  towns  outside  of  Guatemala  that  even  the  rich  of  their  region  have  turned  their  backs  on.  But  you’ve  got  to  do  it  experientially.  

SARA  GRACE:   All  jokes  aside  I  would  be  amazed  if  that  experience  hadn’t  changed  some  of  those  CEOs  or  CMOs,  which,  like  you  said,  is  an  incredible  gift.  So  another  question…    

KEITH  FERRAZZI:   One  of  the  executives  came  back  and  reorganized  how  his  creative  services  organization,  which  was  a  big  part  of  his  

 

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company,  was  managed.  Everybody  out  there  at  Burning  Man  is  some  free  spirit  and  he  realized  that  the  free  spirits  in  his  creative  division  needed  something  different  than  what  he  needed  as  an  operationally,  engineer-­‐oriented  executive.  So  he  came  back  and  he  freed  up  the  management  of  that  group  in  ways  that  he’d  never  thought  of  before.  So  yes,  it  does  make  an  impact.  

SARA  GRACE:   A  question  from  Jeffrey  Howell.  It’s  an  interesting  one  because  Jeffrey  has  taken  a  step  that  I  think  many  people  take  to  get  themselves  started  in  service  and  in  connecting  their  business  to  service.  For  his  Christmas  cards  or  Christmas  gifts  this  holiday  he  used  Heifer.org,  which  is  a  great  organization  where  you  can  give  a  donation  that  I  think  purchases  a  family  a  farm  animal,  if  I  remember  correctly.  But  what  he  found  was  that  he  didn’t  really  feel  like  he  got  much  of  a  reaction.  He  just  felt  like  it  was  underwhelming,  or  people  just  didn’t  get  it.  So  do  you  have  suggestions  on  how  to  engage  others?  You  know,  maybe  something  as  simple…  okay,  go  ahead.  Let’s  hear  it.  

KEITH  FERRAZZI:   We  found  the  same  thing.  Even  now  I’m  still  disappointed.  Like,  I  love  this  little  course  of  things  that  I  try  to  do,  but  usually  they  don’t  work.  One  of  the  things  I  tried  to  do  was  to  a  $200  gift  at  the  holidays,  putting  the  money  in  service  of  a  kid,  and  sending  a  note  that  it  was  in  their  name.  And  I  thought,  if  I  did  this,  aren’t  they  going  to  want  to  then  turn  around  and  pay  it  forward  the  next  year?  Aren’t  they  going  to  be  so  touched?  And,  it  was  interesting,  I  got  very  underwhelming  response.  So  what  I  learned,  though,  was  that...in  fact,  do  you  remember  this  was  in  that  book,  Sara,  that  I  asked  you  to  read  after  I  had  read  it  and  I  loved  it,  it  was  a  book  about…  oh,  gosh,  now  I’m  embarrassed  because…  anyway.  It  was  a  book  about  advertising  and  marketing.    

SARA  GRACE:   I  think  it’s  The  Power  of  Yes.  It’s…  

KEITH  FERRAZZI:     I  was  thinking  that’s  what  it  was.  I  think  it  is  The  Power  of  Yes  but  for  some  reason…  

SARA  GRACE:   I  have  it.  

KEITH  FERRAZZI:   Yes,  it  is.  It  is  The  Power  of  Yes.  

 

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SARA  GRACE:   I  have  it  on  my  shelf.  

KEITH  FERRAZZI:   Yup.  In  The  Power  of  Yes,  one  of  the  things  that  it  talked  about  was  the  importance  of  putting  an  individual  face  to  a  contribution  like  that.  So  if  you  look  at  Sally  Struthers,  right,  and  those  advertisements,  it  wasn’t  about  “you  can  help  children.”  It  was  you  can  help  Daniel  here,  you  can  help  Sally  here.  And  what  I  realized  was  that  it  wasn’t  about  helping  a  cause,  because  causes  are  overwhelming  to  us.  We  know  society  is  challenged,  we  know  that  kids  are  starving,  we  know  that  children  are  abused….we  know,  we  know,  we  know.  Yeah,  yeah,  whatever.  I  know.  I  got  my  own  problems.  I  know.    

  So  what  we  started  to  do  was  taking  pictures  of  a  child,  a  single  child,  holding  up  a  sign  saying,  “Thank  you,  Mehmet.”  “Thank  you,  Lisa.”  And  I  would  send  those  pictures  along,  and  for  some  individuals  I’ve  actually  –  and  I  do  this  with  maybe  about  10  percent  of  them  –  I  actually  print  the  pictures  out,  and  I  send  them  in  a  frame.  That  picture  sits  on  their  desk  and  that  makes  an  impact.    

  This  is  all  to  make  the  personal  connection,  with  empathy.  I’m  not  suggesting  that  building  a  playground  is  a  bad  idea,  as  service.  It’s  an  awesome  idea.  I’m  not  suggesting  that  Habitat  for  Humanity  is  a  bad  idea.  It’s  an  awesome  idea.  But  it  doesn’t  transform  the  soul  in  the  same  way  as  sitting  with  a  kid  who’s  hungry,  who’s  giggling  and  loving  his  life  because  you’re  there.  That  is…  that’s  life  changing.  Being  of  service  to  a  human,  sitting  with  a  homeless  person  and  hearing  their  story,  you  know,  even  if  they’re  ranting  because  they’re  on  drugs,  sitting  and  being  empathetic  is  what  changes  us.  And  that’s  what  allows  me  as  a  leader  to  sit  in  a  room  and  hear  the  criticism  of  my  leadership  skills.  And  that’s  what  allows  me,  when  I  can  get  the  noise  out  of  my  head  about  the  success,  or  the  lack  of  success,  or  the  growth,  with  the  impact  and  the  numbers—when  I  clear  that  out  and  there’s  a  person  sitting  in  front  of  me  and  I’m  connecting  with  that  person…you  know,  that  Bill  Clinton-­‐esque  capacity  to  stand  with  someone  in  a  cocktail  party,  and  the  world  melts  and  that  person  thinks  that  Bill  Clinton  is  just  focused  on  him,  because  he  is?  I  don’t  think  I’d  have  that  

 

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ability—I’m  too  insecure,  I’m  too  worried,  I’m  too  scarcity-­‐minded  to  have  that  deep  connection  and  empathy—if  I  didn’t  do  these  things.  

  This  work  is  my  training  to  be  the  kind  of  human  I  want  to  be.  I’m  not  doing  it  as  much  as  I  should,  which  is  why  I  will  never  give  up  doing  this  work.  I  have  to.  And  so  my  suggestion  to  you  is,  if  you  personalize  this  work  more  and  more  and  more,  you  will  show  up  as  the  person  you  need  to  be,  but  you’ll  also  communicate  it  to  those  you’re  giving  this  gift  to.  So  that’s  a  very  long  answer.  I  think  I  answered  a  few  things.  

SARA  GRACE:   I  think  you  covered  that  one  well,  though.  I  do  want  to  give  you  one  more  question.  I’d  like  you  to  use  it  as  a  kind  of  sign-­‐off,  as  well,  so  people  can  get  on  their  way.  We  have  a  question  from  Colleen  Newvine.  She  wrote,  which  I  thought  was  really  good,  a  question  about  how  to  make  sure  that,  essentially,  that  you  are  truly  helping  the  people  that  you  want  to  help.  Because  there’s  a  lot  of  people  with  good  intentions  who  kind  of  dive  in  with  both  feet.  Hold  on,  let  me  find  her  question  because  she  actually  worded  it  much  better  than  I  am.  “People  whose  hearts  are  a  hundred  percent  in  the  right  place  might  not  understand  the  community  they  want  to  help.  So  do  you  recommend  finding  a  local  organization  to  help  guide  your  service?  How  do  you  recommend  people  get  involved?”  

KEITH  FERRAZZI:   Right.  Well,  I  think  that’s  a  beautiful  question  and  it  comes  from  such  a  gorgeous  place  of  wanting  to  make  sure  that,  you  know,  here  we  are—there’s  not  a  single  person  listening  to  this  call  who  isn’t  deeply  privileged.  And  I’m  sure  that  there  are  people  listening  to  this  call  who  know  that  their  Christmas  may  not  be  as    prosperous  as  they  want  it  to  be  and  they  may  be  in  a  challenged  place.  But  we’re  still  all  blessed.  And  I  think  that  that  question  comes  bound  up  with  the  question,  will  I  insult,  will  I  alienate,  will  I  say  the  wrong  thing.  I  can’t  pretend  to  understand  their  experience  but  I  don’t  care—and  neither  will  they  if  your  heart  is  in  the  right  place.    

  By  the  way,  if  you’re  bounding  frenetically,  insecure  and  worried,  and  you’re  bouncing  off  the  walls  and  you’re  trying  to  help,  you’re  

 

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trying  to  do  this,  you’re  trying  to  do  that,  then  guess  what?  You  may  rub  some  people  the  wrong  way.  But  if  you  softly  walk  in  with  humility,  with  care,  with  empathy,  and  you  get  your  head  into  the  right  mindset,  they’ll  guide  you  to  what  they  need.  If  you  get  out  of  your  own  head…  but  by  the  way,  this  is  true  of  us  as  leaders,  isn’t  it?  And  this  is  true  of  us  as  parents.  If  our  heart  is  in  the  right  place  they’ll  guide  us  in  to  how  to  serve.  Our  spouses  will  guide  us  how  to  serve,  our  employees  will  guide  us  how  to  serve  and  I  wish…  Thank  you  for  that  question  because  sometimes  I  need  to  take  that  advice.  I  need  to  let  the  people  around  me  guide  me  on  how  to  serve.  But  that’s  about  getting  into  a  centered  place,  and  I  think  the  more  you  serve,  the  more  centered  you’ll  be,  the  more  you’ll  be  able  to  serve.    

  That’s  why  I’m  trying  to  encourage  people  in  our  workplace,  around  our  intellectual  property,  to  serve  more,  because  authentic  leaders,  authentic  sellers,  authentic  anything,  authentic  creators  will  always  be  better.  I  mean,  I  think  God  kind  of  gave  us  everything  we  needed  in  our  core.  I  don’t  care  if  you  believe  in  God  or  not,  or  some  higher  power,  whatever  it  is,  but  in  our  core  we  got  what  we  need.  And  so  the  question  is,  how  do  we  tap  into  it?  I  find  that  service  is  the  way.  If  you  don’t  know  what  to  do,  may  I  challenge  everybody  to  do  something.  First  of  all,  and  I  wouldn’t  be  Keith  Ferrazzi  if  I  didn’t  ask,  we  could  use  some  donations  for  Guatemala.  So  if  you  want  to  support  a  kid  we’ll  take  five  bucks,  we’ll  take  200  bucks,  we’ll  take  2,000  bucks,  we’ll  take  whatever  and  we  promise  it  goes  right  to  the  kids,  there’s  no  overhead.  So  go  onto  GreenlightGiving.com.  Come  with  us  in  May,  by  the  way,  we’re  going  for  Memorial  Day  back  to  Guatemala  again.  Come  with  us  with  your  family.  It’s  a  powerful  place.    

  But  here’s  what  you  can  do.  Do  what  I  did  not  long  ago,  and  what  I  do  every  holiday.  My  family  and  I  go  to  McDonald’s  and  we  buy  $200,  you  could  buy  $20  if  that’s  what  you  have,  worth  of  $5  Gift  Cards.  And  we  drive  around  Hollywood  and  we  jump  out  of  the  car  and  we  walk  over  and  we  hand  the  $5  Gift  Card  to  the  homeless  or  somebody  who  just  looks  like  they  could  use  it  sitting  at  a  bus  station,  and  we  just  say  that  this  is  for  them  and  to  have  a  Merry  Christmas.  That’s  a  wonderful  place  to  start,  and  you  guys  

 

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can  all  do  it  on  your  way  home.  Go  to  McDonald’s,  pick  up  some  gift  cards  and  start  passing  them  out.  It’s  a  great  way  to  begin  this  process,  and  I  hope  you  catch  the  contagion  that  we  have  in  our  family.  God  bless  everybody.  Have  a  Merry  Christmas.  Sara,  thanks  for  suggesting  this.  

SARA  GRACE:   Yes,  and  on  behalf  of  everyone,  Keith,  a  big  thanks  to  you.  Your  commitment,  or  as  you  put  it,  your  compulsion,  to  service  is  truly  inspiring  and  really  a  model  that  I  certainly  hope  to  bring  into  my  life  in  a  big  way  in  the  next  year.  Thank  you  everyone  for  joining  us.  Again,  thank  you,  Keith.  Everyone,  have  a  wonderful  holiday  and  we’ll  see  you  in  2013  with  a  new  Social  Capitalist  series.  Announcements  about  that  will  be  coming  soon.  Thanks  everyone.